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ITIF Senior Fellow Claims "America's Broadband Networks Lead the World"
McGruber writes "In an Op-Ed published in The NY Times, Information Technology & Innovation Foundation (ITIF.org) Senior Fellow Richard Bennett claims that 'America's broadband networks lead the world by many measures, and they are improving at a more rapid rate than networks in most developed countries.' Mr. Bennett also says, 'the most critical issue facing American broadband has nothing to do with the quality of our networks; it is our relatively low rates of subscribership.'"
Only possible because they had further to go in the first place.
using dialup.
There are nations with 50 mbps for pennies on the dollar to our cost in America, not to mention absolutely no throttling or data limits. Wake up Richard Bennett! There are far too many monopolies in Americas internet connections and THATS the problem, no competition means they can do whatever the hell they want!
"Mr. Bennett also says that'"the most critical issue facing American broadband has nothing to do with the quality of our networks; it is our relatively low rates of subscribership." .. which would not be a problem if the service was as cheaper and more reliable.
We pay more for less bandwidth than any other country, we have bandwidth caps and we still pay outrageous "fees" for Universal Access that goes towards $20,000 routers being installed in rural library that serve a population of less than a few dozen. Your move, Mr. Bennett.
He is right for one very important metric, cost!
Otherwise I say boo hiss go away shill.
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Sacred cows make the best burgers.
America's broadband networks led the world in one respect; this is where we got widespread broadband first. We lag in every other regard. Miles of shitty copper used for services it can't really handle is not a metric to brag about.
We get less for our money than almost anyone else, we have poorer penetration than almost anyone else... the former is because of corporate malfeasance, the latter is both because of that and because the USA is big. Nothing to be proud of either way.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
We're number 1! We're number 1!
I suppose Mr. Bennett just disregards the 32 countries that have recently developed faster more modern networks (http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/). Make up some random metric, don't compare to all nations, disregard contradicting evidence, declare champion. Sounds like a good plan to me!
OK. I pay about 30 EUR for 100/100.
I was trying to share some music I created with a friend in South Korea. He has a 1 Gbit Internet connection. He couldn't connect to my IP in Canada at my house. Americans would never have this problem.
I'd rather have modest/slow speeds that connect to everything than blazing fast speeds which serve only approved government propoganda and vanilla pop culture.
Yeah, I get that already... Thanks NSA. I have ceased using a backup service for all my stuff -- I'll start subscribing to your services for data recovery.
Why in the US are we so caught up in listening to idiots? We're listening to WAY to many "senior fellows" at thinktanks that are all promoting their own agenda and world view. There is nothing credible here... it's just an advertisement written by someone who is scared of the dreaded SOZIALSSM!!
Who is this moron, and why are we talking about him?
but but but but.. SOCIALISM!!!
The cost per MB maybe...
What better way to ensure the NSA a constant flow of information?
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
This opinion piece holds up Belgium as an example other European countries are trying to emulate, but Internet service there is incredibly expensive and has tiny monthly bandwidth caps, worse even than Australia. Almost any European country is doing better.
The opinion piece also omits France and the story of Iliad / free.fr, and UK, which every other thing I've read says are the best examples of good policy nurturing successful infrastructure investment and cheap, fast Internet.
The actual global story is that countries practicing "structural separation"---meaning the company that maintains the wires is not allowed to provide service over them---have really cheap and fast Internet. Iliad made so much money selling DSL and TV-over-DSL in a structurally-separated competition-fostering market that they started digging trenches and laying their own fiber (..which is, well, not structurally separated any more, but meh, at least it's there). Meanwhile after winning concessions that further destroyed the already broken DSL competition in the US on the basis it would "incent" them to invest in fiber, vz halted FiOS rollout in 2010 because they can squeeze more money out of people on vzw.
BTW, if you actually used the Internet at LTE speed, you'd use $240/hr of bandwidth. Pieces like this only quote the speed but ignore that the network doesn't actually enable any "broadband applications" like cloud disk or TV-over-IP.
US is a great example of policy derp. The pollies can't keep up with the jackmoves of these sophisticatedly-skeezy US companies.
I don't live in the U.S. and I've had 100Mbps fiber for less than USD 50/month for so long that I have to stop to count... Let's see. It's been over 12 years, now.
The U.S. does lead the world in cognitive dissonance, though.
Apparently it doesn't mean what you think. It doesn't mean senile old person who needs to die and leave the thinking to the younger people. Obvious, by his statement, that is what you think, but apparently dude is supposed to be popular with the rest of the people in his academy and won some important votes by other "senior" follows to become one himself.
Does he know what he is talking about? No. I at first thought it said Senator because when it comes to tech, they know nothing, but apparently it's a dude who should know. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe in the last year they improved the internet in the USA to where I had a choice and I could use fiber optic if I wanted, after all, I'm in a big tech city, Seattle. Pretty much living in the downtown of that city, less then a mile from the city center. Still hardly any choices.
Be seeing you...
The internet has become sentient and has taken the only sane course; it hawks crap PC cleanup tools. It sounds insane, but just think: How would you know? We all expect sentient AI to diagnose cancer and drive cars safely and run governments fairly and do all our work for us. Because that's what the run-of-the-mill sentient intelligence is like, right?
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Last time I checked Verizon's anemic fiber expansion is still on hold - it has been for the past several years when they openly admitted that there's no business case for improving the network. But, hey, lobbying is a great investment.
Hopefully Google fiber will upset the balance a bit.
I'm not anti-US. I think our government is screwed up being overrun with morans that do nothing but cowtow to corporate interests but that's different than hating the country.
I say rent him a small apartment in Tokyo with a paid 2 Gbps connection. Then we'll see what he thinks of America's great broadband.
I, too, find it very difficult to sell inferior products at a huge mark-up.
It sounds like all our country's Internet woes could be easily solved if ISPs just spent more money on marketing.
Oh god no! Think of the children! Nana and Papa are going in front of the death panel! We must deregulate!
I got here through a series of tubes
And he says that EU regulators are considering the American model. Are they fuck! He's basing this on one report! Aside from that the only people claiming this are American cheerleaders for the U.S. model.
The notion of competition for infrastructure is bullshit. Roads can be be dug up only so many times, and the costs of entry are pretty high. There's not much competition out there. The only disruptive technology I can see is wireless, which remains expensive and has way too much latency for gaming.
Bennet, you halfwitted whore.
Yet another article proving that the only things the US really leads the world in is massively overrating their own country while maintaining total blind ignorance of anything outside it.
"improving at a more rapid rate than networks in most developed countries"
I guess that's because the US has the most room for improvement.
Since the pricing is ridiculously high for service, it's a no-brainer! Broadband is priced too high for a lot of households to justify getting it. Food, mortgage/rent, fuel, clothes, utilities... a lot of people are doing well to just survive.
.. for 499 NOK a month. That's roughly 87 USD.
It amounts to 1.7% of my monthly salary AFTER taxes.
Up on the hills in Norway (e.g one house every 3 km along a rocky road) you will for the most part still get 4/0.5 Mbit for 300-ish NOK.
We have always been at war with Eurasia. Is this for real? what's up with all this kind of articles lately? First is US still leading manufacturing (if you twist the metrics to suit your taste), now this. It's like someone is trying to anti-FUD (Hope Certainty and Confidence maybe?) US citizens.
The telcos gave the NSA a direct tap into the internet fiber in 2003 (2002?), and telcos got immunity from prosecution in return in 2007, have they given the NSA the ability to divert internet traffic for man in the middle attacks? For snooping they need a connection, but for snooping on https, they need to do a man-in-the-middle certificate substitution.
i.e. they generate a certificate with fake details duplicating a real one. Provide that fake one to the mark trying to use https, his browser accepts it because its a real certificate for the real company, they can then decrypt traffic sitting between him and the server.
For that they'd need an interface to generate certificates (that already exists, they'd just need the cert company to let them make fake ones, US companies I can believe would do that if forced to by secret FISA warrant). Then they'd need to be able to route traffic to a computer to do the man in the middle attack.
A simple utility to force a route for the traffic would be quite trivial technically to do, if you have an interface to the US Internet backbone company routers, it's just another routing entry. These are the same telcos that gave them the snooping ability, so I can believe they gave them man-in-the-middle intercept capability.
If you read up on DCSNet, the phone intercept they have. They got all the telcos to let them configure the telephone switches from anywhere in the country on the fly, so agent Wayne types in a number, clicks 'intercept' and the phone is tapped directly sending the voice over to the NSA/FBI/Whoever. I bet they got the telcos to do the same with the internet backbone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCSNET
It would mean we can't trust https if it transits over US networks. Just as http is now spied on, https probably is too.
It's really not "anti-US" to point out that it's hard to find decent internet or cell phone service for a reasonable price in this country.
Nobody wants to subscribe because you get 1/10th the speed for double the price of everywhere else. Cut the prices in half and watch what happens. It's amazing how many people still don't understand supply and demand.
"they are improving at a more rapid rate than networks in most developed countries."
Analysis: Most developed countries already have better networks, thus less room to improve. The USA having backwater level networks, are able to improve to a much greater degree as the current "Can with String Attached" technology is much slower than your typical 2400 baud modem.
Joking of course, and exaggerating (is there anything else on Slashdot), but I always get a kick out of these PR type statements which are "technically" valid, but only because of careful wording. Also known as, statistics, is there anything you can't solve?
Another way to look at this, you just won the "Most Improved Player" on your little league baseball team, Congratulations! Your kid is fat and untalented, and we all felt sorry for them, have a trophy for participation... (I say this as someone with a closet full of them!)
Almost none of this is true: America’s broadband networks lead the world by many measures, and they are improving at a more rapid rate than networks in most developed countries.
Perhaps he intended for "lead" to be in the past tense? It's that silly English language...
If one of the measures is slow performance and downtime per dollar spent, than I agree.
Folks, he doesn't mean speeds, he means capability for the government to intercept communications transparently!
Not sure why an opinion article is considered news.
http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/
Just look some.... US is in 33th. place. Lithuania second :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso
These Really Decent japes got it right with a lot less dancing around the point.
Sorry; this was written by another slashdotter; not sure who, but I clipped and saved for re-use someday and now here it is.
We may not be the "best" at network speed and access; but here's what we are truly "number one" at:
#1 The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world and the largest total prison population on earth.
#2 The United States has the highest percentage of obese people in the world.
#3 The United States has the highest divorce rate on the globe by a wide margin.
#4 The United States is tied with the U.K. for the most hours of television watched per person each week.
#5 The United States has the highest rate of illegal drug use on the entire planet.
#6 There are more car thefts in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world by far.
#7 There are more reported rapes in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.
#8 There are more reported murders in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.
#9 There are more total crimes in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.
#10 The United States also has more police officers than anywhere else in the world.
#11 The United States spends much more on health care as a percentage of GDP than any other nation on the face of the earth.
#12 The United States has more people on pharmaceutical drugs than any other country on the planet.
#13 The percentage of women taking antidepressants in America is higher than in any other country in the world.
#14 Americans have more student loan debt than anyone else in the world.
#15 More pornography is created in the United States than anywhere else on the entire globe. Eighty nine percent is made in the U.S.A. and only 11 percent is made in the rest of the world.
#16 The United States has the largest trade deficit in the world every single year. Between December 2000 and December 2010, the United States ran a total trade deficit of 6.1 trillion dollars with the rest of the world, and the U.S. has had a negative trade balance every single year since 1976.
#17 The United States spends 7 times more on the military than any other nation on the planet does. In fact, U.S. military spending is greater than the military spending of China, Russia, Japan, India, and the rest of NATO combined.
#18 The United States has far more foreign military bases than any other country does.
#19 The United States has the most complicated tax system in the entire world.
#20 The U.S. has accumulated the biggest national debt that the world has ever seen and it is rapidly getting worse. Right now, U.S. government debt is expanding at a rate of $40,000 per second.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Than the address of the "think-tank" where his thoughts reside - Information Technology and Innovation Foundation | 1101 K Street N.W. Suite 610, Washington, DC 20005
He is one of thousands of smart guys whose bread is buttered by the oligarchs, the wealthiest .01%. The think tank/lobbying/congressional machine exists so the he rich can tell the middle class that all their problems are the fault of the poor, and institute policies that make more of the money flow up.
US Broadband being so wonderful must be WHY I STILL CAN'T GET an IPv6 address or a consistently reliable 100mb plus speed evene though I pay a LOT for the fastest connection speed available in my area.
That guy is so full of shit his eyes are brown.
We lead the world by many measures:
* cost
* crappiness of service
* downtime
* annoyance
After living for quite a bit in some of the places listed, I can totally confirm that France, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macao have a better deal. But with the clear exception of France, which I consider the true socialist countries from the list along with Scandinavian countries, All the "Chinese" places are hardly related to socialism. Hell, the internet connection in mainland is a joke, based in no small part because of the draconian firewall that makes all the traffic go to Beijing (At least that's what a traceroute returns with ChinaNet in Shanghai). Crap maybe I should move to Hong Kong myself :)
I live in regular suburban space in a fairly large US city.
I relocated from Europe (France) 7 years ago.
Service in a typical suburban neighborhood is still low quality (24/5, but 200ms latency,...... $75, capped) and more expensive than what I had in rural country France 7 years ago (30/7, 15ms latency, 29euros, ~40$, uncapped, includes TV, ondemand, landline phone).
So this is BS. Value is low in the US. This guy is paid to stir BS in the media.
I agree, America has the best broadband in the world.*
[fine print]* Where "The World" is defined as American and any country with worse broadband than America has.[/fine print]
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
Guess which area in the US that has seen the greatest increase in broadband speeds over the last year. Northeast Kansas. As in: the same area that now features Google Fiber as a real competitor.
Pure coindence, I'm sure.
If you're very lucky, they've not added a No Class Action clause yet. You and the rest of the victims (subscribers) have more than enough cause for judicial redress.
They are not contradictions. They are talking about two different groups of people
The first blob is talking about the rich productive people who have savings and affordable debt. They are investing and building businesses and competing with each other. They're recovering/have recovered by selling to other productive people (each other)
The second blob is about all the unproductive poor people with debt beyond their means. The 47%. They don't have savings so they cannot afford Internet or other nice things.
America's "Broadband" networks are far more profitable than anywhere else in the world.
And in the land of the corporations and the home of the greedy scumbags, isn't that all that matters?
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
If you have the time to read a ~70-page report, here's the report mentioned at the end of the op-ed.
Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.
Google just announced their project of providing internet by balloon. The balloons fly at 20km and you simply need a special antenna to talk to them.
That's much better than satellite as they could provide latency in the millisecond range.
They don't say how long the balloons can stay in the air. Last time I researched that topic I had found many people saying that balloons are damage by sunlight after a couple days.
Still this looks like a way to completely fix many problems:
- offer internet in underpopulated areas
- offer internet that's not easy to stop for bad governments
- offer internet in well populated areas without having to dig trenches and fight local monopolies.
I get 70Mb/s for $100/mo (Cable One). I paid a 13% effective federal tax rate last year. I'm perfectly happy. If you want to subsidize federal funding for broadband deployments, be my guest, but don't take it out on me.
Cost. Decent bandwidth is crazy expensive. Hell, in some areas, crappy bandwidth is expensive.
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"Only possible because they had further to go in the first place."
Yep. And here's another good one:
'... the most critical issue facing American broadband has nothing to do with the quality of our networks; it is our relatively low rates of subscribership.'
Absolute BS. Sure, it may be the low rates of subscribership, but the first part is wrong. The low rates of subscribership are due to low quality of service combined with outrageous prices.
The fact is: other "developed countries" have better service for less money. If there is any one halfway good excuse the US has for that, it might be the cost of infrastructure in areas of low population. But some other countries (like Canada) have that problem too.
EU is looking at redefining broadband as having to be in excess of 30 Mbps, says he using his 150 Mbps in Dublin, with UPC fibre, owned by an American company, worry what UI shall get once I am back in good old US of A
The world doesn't OWE you anything... then what -if anything- do I owe the 'world'?
A.C. CAPTCHA= 'investor'
Discuss.
A lot of people seem to be knee deep in 'number 2'; not necessarily due to anything over which they have controlling influence.
I can't be bothered registering with Akamai to read the full report, but from the link you posted, it would appear that they are only evaluating the performance of connections that are running at at least 10mbps. Is this true? If it is, it will give extremely skewed results. Most basic connections dsl here would be ~8mbps, and that is what most people will get. I'm hearing anecdotal horror stories of 1mbps or worse connections in other countries (*cough* America *cough*); are all of these being excluded? I'm not sure how meaningful it is to compare the best available in countries, rather than the median, when you are reporting what effectively is a survey of the level of service consumers are receiving.
I'm in Seattle. Within the city limits. And the best I can get without spending gobs of cash, for a small-business line, is 1.5mbps. I keep hearing from my telco that we'll have 10mbps Real Soon Now (TM), and I keep hearing rumors of other telcos lighting up the fiber that's already been run throughout my part of town (but inexplicably kept dark). FWIW, I don't think I've ever seen download speeds in excess of around 170kb/sec. Netflix often stalls out buffering, with grotty picture quality; never mind getting HD. All for the "low" *cough* price of around $110 / month.
When I moved to Japan in 2002, the cheapest plan I could get in my neighborhood was $30 / month for 12mbps. Upgraded, at no cost to me, to 18mbps, and then to 24mbps by the time I left in 2005.
So where are these lying shitheads pulling these numbers from? And have they been properly disinfected^Wsanitized?
Judging from the smell, I think not.
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
Here is a good rundown of why you shouldn't trust anything the ITIF says: http://stopthecap.com/2013/02/13/telecom-sock-puppets-attack-industry-critics-facts-dont-matter-only-how-you-interpret-them/
The kind of research produced by the ITIF is tainted as long as they don’t reveal who is paying for these research reports. As Stop the Cap! readers have learned well, following corporate money usually helps expose the real agenda of these so-called “think tanks,” which are created to distort reality and quietly echo the agenda of their paymasters with a veneer of independence and credibility.
What is scary is that congressmen actually take the ITIF's word seriously (should be no surprise why).
I live in one of the few places the media cartel has messed it up. We have both Docsis 3.0 cable AND FiOS on my street. They actually compete, so I get mid level CATV, three phone lines, and 20/5 Internet (observed) for $150 per month. I had FiOS up until two years ago but it was almost twice the price, and they don't bring TV into my system. (When the collusive deal was made between FiOS and Cable providers, we ended up with internet and phone by fiber. A few blocks over, the same system carries TV too, but not in our Village. We've asked Verizon but they aren't interested...even though the system is fully installed and TV is a few keystrokes away.) The FiOs connection was 30/5, but I think you can get 50 now. My Fios bill (with three landlines at full price plus taxes) was in the $220 range...and then I had to use satellite for TV (plus $65). Compare this to my inlaws, in a small city with only one provider. They get the same DOCSIS package but it is about $30 per month more...no competition and too far for OTA TV. FiOs isn't a possibility, nor will it ever be for them. My parents in NYC have FiOs, and a near $300 per month bill. The last mile there is a few feet. Verizon, meanwhile is putting up cell towers, but as VZ wireless is not the same as VZ FiOs, we can't locally squeeze them to turn on TV. I'm not complaining. We have competition, which means both systems keep things working and our pricing is limited. Exactly what the big guys don't want.
It's interesting to see a discussion of my op-ed on Slashdot, it's been a while since I've had my work critiqued here. The last thread I remember on one of my pieces was the text of a speech I gave on net neutrality in 2008 that ended up being the second most read piece on CircleID for the year, http://www.circleid.com/posts/86147_net_neutrality_innovation_081/ Slashdot effect. . Many of the claims in the op-ed are controversial because they're contrary to conventional wisdom, but they're all based on empirical data. You can see the research here: http://www.itif.org/publications/whole-picture-where-america-s-broadband-networks-really-stand and view a panel discussion with members of the FCC's National Broadband Plan team. . The op-ed doesn't address the specific problems with rural broadband, of course. The approach that most policy analysts support is to re-purpose the Universal Service Fund that presently supports telephone service in rural areas for broadband, but the costs need to be brought under control. Subsidies can be as high as $50,000 per line per year, and that's obviously neither sustainable nor fair to the urban telephone users who pay for the subsidies. If it's any comfort, rural broadband is better in the US than it is in most countries, even if it's not as good as it is in the suburbs and cities where the market works. In general, 94% of Americans have some sort of wireline broadband option, 4G/LTE will be available to 98% by 2015, and satellite is available to the rest at ever-improving speeds; currently two carriers provide speeds > 10 Mbps by satellite, and it's much better than most people think. . Publicly financed broadband isn't really an option for competitive markets because the higher speed networks are not shareable in the same way that ADSL networks are. Cable, xPON, and even Vectored DSL require exclusive use of the wires at layer one, so the days of attaching your own DSLAM in a CO are in the past. . The US is installing more fiber every year than Europe, despite having less population, land mass, and population density, and more Americans use broadband per capita than Europeans, so the complaints about the U. S. market system don't seem to reflect any legitimate issues. . I notice that the usual critics have denounced ITIF here, as they usually do. So let me point out that the University of Pennsylvania's Think Tanks and Civil Societies Program ranks ITIF as the fifth most important science and technology think tank in the world: http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1006&context=think_tanks . Carry on.
This claim is 100% BS.
I paid US$ 10 per month for 30 Mbps in Taipei
I pay US$ 70 per month for 10 Mbps in the Silicon Valley!
If the claim was: "We are total dregs compared to anyone else so any improvement must be a large % increase", yeah, maybe that's mathematically correct but on any other metric, US broadband is a piece of shit.
Notice the regurgitive repetitiveness of your comment. You have a DOS bot on YourCleanPC.
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
I have Fairpoint as my provider and pay 49.99 per month for 15Mb pipe (less a discount for annual commit). I spoke w/them yesterday inquiring about getting a biz account; thinking i might save myself the $60/mo i pay to my colo for server hosting.
They informed me that at biz account at same speed would cost me $109/mo plus monthly charges for any extra IP addresses ($24 for 6).
What explains the difference in cost? A fixed IP address. That's it. WTF?
resist propaganda
ITIF Senior Fellow Richard Bennett (I think) could be a TelCo, CableCo, a/o SatCo lobbyist. This is more Republican/Democrat comical relief, a real fecal attempt to distract US from the actual shit and cost of "America's (US, CA, MX ...?) broadband networks and services. Well it was the NYTimes, maybe he just meant US, but that would make Bennett wrong, unless he was talking about the BigBiz, Financial sector or PRISM, Echelon .... Well okay USA homes and small business do maybe, probably, indirectly ... pay for the broadband backbone networks/infrastructure that provides BigBiz-entitlements of far better QoS. Yep, that would explain that simple misunderstanding of actuality by M. Ricky Bennett. Then again maybe he was correct for CA and MX? US infrastructure decays, because the wealthy-entitled few insist "The People" pay for problems and everything that the wealthy and BigBiz use for free (airports, seaports, roads, bridges ... networks, military ...).
If we could distribute police, fire, infrastructure ... fairly to the folks paying for everything via hidden fees, taxes, low pay, no benefits ... maybe we could get the assholes to move to Canada or Mexico.
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
I had to say this again.
Obfuscation and excuses for the telecommunications, infrastructure, and economic situation perpetuates the abuse of US by them wealthy-entitled few masters who use US People like work-unit slaves. Did you get paid for your obfuscation and excuses, or is it just politics? You did spin-truth well.
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
I am +60yo. I have worked telecommunication for decades (from the One MaBell ... Present). I made money off Cisco, Lucent ... stock and sold before the .com crash. You know what you are talking about, but you are intentionally trolling all US on /.. Why are you insisting on bullshit being true? Do you work for Comcast, Verizon ...?
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
The questions are: Is he a fool? or Is he paid? Why look up anything for either type of troll.
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?