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Ask Slashdot: Secure DropBox Alternative For a Small Business?

First time accepted submitter MrClappy writes "I manage the network for a defense contractor that needs a cloud-based storage service and am having a lot of trouble finding an appropriate solution that meets our requirements. We are currently using DropBox and I am terrified of seeing another data leak like last year. Some of our data is classified under International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) which requires that all data to remain inside the US, including any cloud storage or redundant backups. We tried using Box as a more secure replacement but ended up canceling the service due to lack of functionality; 40,000 file sync limit, Linux-based domain controller compatibility issues and the fact that the sync application does not work while our computers are locked (which is an explicit policy for my users). I've been calling different companies and just can't seem to find a decent solution. Unless I'm severely missing something, I'm just blown away that no one offers this functionality with today's tech capabilities. Am I wrong?"

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  1. You are kidding right? by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You want "Someone Else" to manage your data that is classified under ITAR? Uhmmm... Why don't you build your backup solution - put links in to remote data centers and handle the problem correctly and professionally. The last thing we need is some external entity getting a hold of this stuff because you don't want to have the budget to do things right instead of at a consumer level.
    Gah - I can't believe this is even a question

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    1. Re:You are kidding right? by ravenswood1000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try Owncloud or Ajaxplorer for your own cloud solution maybe.

    2. Re:You are kidding right? by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

      For something Dropbox-like in UI that you can point to your own servers, some options are:

      * Git-Annex Assistant: Despite its name, git is sort of an implementation detail you can ignore. It doesn't actually revision-control all your files, so you don't get huge bloat with binary files that are edited. One nice thing it does is integrate syncing with offline storage, so you can e.g. set up a remote server to sync to live, *and* set up a USB-connected hard drive to sync to when it's attached. When the USB drive is offline git-annex will still remember what files were on it.

      * Sparkleshare: a front-end that does version-control all your files, which might be preferable if you are sharing small-ish files where you might want to recover a previous version (e.g., text documents). Less good than Git-Annex Assistant if you're sharing huge media files, possibly better if you aren't.

      See also this Slashdot discussion from two years ago.

    3. Re:You are kidding right? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe there's a facility in Utah that specializes in cloud data storage...

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    4. Re:You are kidding right? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      I love my dogs very much, but The love for my son and his needs are much greater.

      Like a lot of regular services, there are usually defence contractors who offer similar services that meet whatever national government requirements are - for 10x the price naturally.

      I would think that microsoft or google (though more likely microsoft than google) offer something similar to their commercial offerings but certified for defence. If not them, then likely you're looking at either Lockheed Martin, HP, IBM and expecting to pay very large sums of money.

    5. Re:You are kidding right? by sconeu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with Merlyn. Are you F***ING INSANE?????? Especially after the way that the gov went batshit insane over Wikileaks and then over Snowden.

      I know that "classified under ITAR" is not "Classified secret", but you'd be crazy to trust that data to any storage that you (or your company) doesn't directly control.

      Disclaimer: I am not an ISSO or ISSM (though at one point I did get certified as one -- long since lapsed).

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    6. Re:You are kidding right? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can just see this - a high level presentation to the C level executives:

      "Yes, we're planning on using Sparkleshare".

      "Sparklewhat?"

      "Sparkleshare, it's an open source product that ...."

      "Look, we're here to discuss corporate data strategy, not your daughter's favorite website".

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    7. Re:You are kidding right? by HJED · · Score: 2

      Aerofs might also be a good solution, it only stores data on your own servers by default (and has a headless linux client that could be installed on a VPS or similar for offsite backup). All data is transmitted encrypted P2P, but it does use NAT Proxies and authentication information provided by their servers.

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    8. Re:You are kidding right? by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ITAR simply requires State-Side storage. It doesn't have to be secure from the NSA, in fact they would probably object if it was.

      There is SpiderOak, which is US based, but they don't have the ability to decrypt your data, all decryption is done at the client.

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    9. Re:You are kidding right? by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      You want "Someone Else" to manage your data that is classified under ITAR? Uhmmm... Why don't you build your backup solution - put links in to remote data centers and handle the problem correctly and professionally. The last thing we need is some external entity getting a hold of this stuff because you don't want to have the budget to do things right instead of at a consumer level. Gah - I can't believe this is even a question

      I agree. Putting information like this in the cloud? This guy either has no clue what he's doing or not all his dogs are barking.

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    10. Re:You are kidding right? by Maxwell · · Score: 1

      I might get lynched by the Linux crowd, but Windows Server 2012 R2 has 'Work folders' which is basically private Dropbox you host yourself. Nothing leaves your servers/clients. You can even access the work folders via SMB (drive mapping) when in the office, and the remote function kicks in when out of network. seamless for the end users as well.

    11. Re:You are kidding right? by tftp · · Score: 1

      ITAR simply requires State-Side storage.

      IIRC, ITAR compliance would not be very compliant when foreign citizens - especially citizens of named prohibited nations - have access to your data, even if it occurs on US soil. That can easily happen because cloud companies are not restricted in who they hire; they aren't even required to monitor what their employees are doing with your data. If anything happens that you, the customer, don't like, their liability is limited to what you paid for the service in the last billing cycle.

      You may encrypt your data, but I don't think this helps. Having data is a separate problem from having the key. These problems can be solved by independent methods.

    12. Re:You are kidding right? by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I've had a project canceled because they found out we were using best-of-breed RADIUS. Funk Software's Steel-Belted-RADIUS. We weren't allowed to have any funky servers. Used Windows free RADIUS instead. Lots of headaches.

    13. Re:You are kidding right? by icebike · · Score: 1

      If you don't think encryption helps, you are doing it wrong.

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    14. Re:You are kidding right? by tftp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As many posters indicated in their comments, compliance is not even checked against your arbitrary list of technical measures. It is checked against an approved list of measures and actions that you are supposed to have and perform.

      Good encryption would be a solution. You could have a server in North Korea and safely store all the secrets of portable nukes there, as long as they are well encrypted.

      But the devil is in details. What does it mean "well encrypted?" What is even the criteria for "wellness" of your encryption? Would it be OK if I use ROT13? Ok, perhaps not. What if I use AES256? Now you are happy. Right? No, wrong - because I used a key that consists of all zeros. Or ones. Or something equally trivial.

      But let's imagine you have a secure key. You used /dev/random, and it is random enough. Is it secure now? No, it isn't. You now have a known plaintext attack. AES may prevent you from reversing the key, but it still a block cipher - and many technical documents have similarities that can be exploited. Unless salted, every block of same plaintext will produce the same ciphertext. This is already a leak of data. Is it important? Maybe not. But there was no such leak before, and now there is a foothold. Can you guarantee that it won't get worse? Your adversary has all the resources of the state (albeit a poor one) and they are not constrained as much as you are.

      This is why you never invent your own cryptosystem. NSA does that, and they approve and provide cryptosystems for various end users. If you can get NSA to approve a cryptosystem for your setup, you are golden. But chances of that are not very good. If you start building your own, nobody is even going to check what you did. If it is not approved, it's not good. DSS workers are not cryptographers; even most of NSA personnel are not cryptographers (as we know now.) It takes an inordinate amount of effort to approve a cryptosystem for a particular use. One can have a good algorithm that is implemented with a small bug, and that bug turns it from unbreakable to reversable in milliseconds. Cryptographers know what to watch for, and even they make mistakes sometimes. Can you get away with a crypto library that you downloaded from Internet? I don't think so. It may be perfectly secure, but that's not what you will be evaluated against.

    15. Re:You are kidding right? by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      This was my thought. Why the fsck would a defense contractor be farming out data storage of ITAR data?

      Just buy as many 4u BackBlaze boxes as you need, then you only need to worry about data leaks on your own network. Which is highly secured, right?

    16. Re:You are kidding right? by ImOuttaHere · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with the question "You want "Someone Else" to manage your data that is classified under ITAR?"

      I'd strongly suggest you review your options with the right agency of the US Government (there is plenty of good guidance out there, so familiarize yourself with it).

      Then confirm whatever solution you come up with is "good" with your company lawyers. Make sure your lawyers have reviewed all relevant materials and agree that they can protect you should there be a breech and y'all end up in a court of law.

    17. Re:You are kidding right? by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1

      This is why you never invent your own cryptosystem.

      I'm fucking Bruce Schneier, bitch.

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    18. Re:You are kidding right? by dj245 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've had a project canceled because they found out we were using best-of-breed RADIUS. Funk Software's Steel-Belted-RADIUS. We weren't allowed to have any funky servers. Used Windows free RADIUS instead. Lots of headaches.

      You need to control problem names from the get-go. Politicians do it all the time when they name bills (Safety Measures YYY for the Children, etc). Good businessmen never ask their boss to travel to Las Vegas, they go to Clark County, NV instead. It is your responsibility to handle this kind of thing.

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    19. Re:You are kidding right? by ChoosyBeggar · · Score: 1

      What he said. *headdesk*

    20. Re:You are kidding right? by rutledjw · · Score: 1

      Well stated! I was wondering the same thing... What defense contractor doesn't have budget for basic storage needs? For critical data with ITAR restrictions, I cannot imagine using an outside source.

      This sounds like a contractor who's in over their head or a management chain that doesn't get it...

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    21. Re:You are kidding right? by PurpleAlien · · Score: 1

      Yes, agreed. As a cryptographer, security researcher and someone who has worked on ITAR sensitive stuff, you don't put that on a third party server - ever.

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    22. Re:You are kidding right? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      If you must pick from the commercial, we paid Gartner enough enough to lick your CIO's balls solutions: http://www.accellion.com/ has a good product called Filetrans. Its had its vulns in the past but so have most thing; It seems pretty bullet proof these days.

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    23. Re:You are kidding right? by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Is he a considerate lover?

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    24. Re:You are kidding right? by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1

      He's got open access on all my ports, bitch.

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    25. Re:You are kidding right? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      It's my responsibility to guess at my boss's insanities, and lie to help cover them up? No thanks. And yes, telling a carefully crafted truth designed to give a false impression is a lie. A lie isn't a falsehood, it's a false impression. And you can do those with the truth. I prefer to not work for idiots, though that's not always an option. The case for the one I mentioned above was for a contracting job where the new boss had everyone in the entire department quit because he was such an idiot. So he hired contractors to keep the company from falling over. It didn't matter what we did, he'd be a jackass, and if we broke something, it would be blamed on the ex-employees, though it was almost always his fault. If he wants to make bad choices, it's my job to help him make the best worst choice possible. I profit from his incompetence. I can educate someone, but I can't fix stupid.

    26. Re:You are kidding right? by RevDisk · · Score: 2

      ITAR is a not a security clearance classification. It's an export control classification.

      This is more than a little important because it means no "foreign persons" can access the data. Inside or outside the US. You can let a US person in France see the data, for example. Foreign persons is defined in 120.16 of ITAR. Check http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/2012/ITAR_Part_120.pdf (listed as Page 467)

      Basically, you can't give any ITAR data to any foreign person. If the foreign person could access the data, even if they do not, you're still breaking the law. There's a presumption of guilt if you say, leave ITAR data on a public share in your company, where foreign nationals could have accessed it. Do not put ITAR data on any disk you don't control unless it's reasonable that the provider cannot access it (ie encrypted).

      If DropBox has or had one foreign national that could access your account (which is likely) and the files were unencrypted, you already committed a federal crime and should give a voluntary disclosure to DDTC They'll likely give you a slap on the wrist or more likely do nothing, especially if voluntarily disclose and implement a solution to fix the problem. You personally will not get hit with anything. Try to cover it up, and you may personally be held responsible for a) knowingly breaking the law and b) knowingly trying to cover it up. You as an individual, in addition to your company.

      Back on the original topic, use a VPN (preferred) or self-host an app on a web server you control. I'd just use VPN and rsync. As a best practice, if a user is going overseas, send them with a clean laptop and tell them not to locally save any files.

      Disclaimer: I worked for Export Control at a Very Large Defense Contractor (they needed a geek, I got the short straw). I am however not YOUR export control representative. While the above is correct, it is only for reference and should not be taken as legal or binding advice. Seriously, order everything you can from Society for International Affairs and attend some conferences, or your business will be shut down by DDTC for ITAR violations. You can email me using my nick at my nick dot org if you have any other ITAR questions. I used to laugh when Department of State folks said "Please don't frame the question in terms of any felonies", now I just repeat it.

    27. Re:You are kidding right? by RevDisk · · Score: 1

      No, legally it does help. The original poster committed a crime if he posted unencrypted ITAR data to DropBox. If it was encrypted (and did not share the key with any foreign national), he did not commit a crime.

      The government sees encryption as they see walls, safes, locks or other access control mechanisms. You can legally have foreign nationals at a facility with ITAR material. RFID controlled doors are pretty common for that. There just has to be comprehensive access controls, which should be in the Export Control Plan and Technology Control Plan.

    28. Re:You are kidding right? by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      It's my responsibility to guess at my boss's insanities, and lie to help cover them up?

      No. Your responsibility is not to guess them, but rather to actually KNOW them. And you're not lying. You're purposefully not revealing the entire truth and revealing a remotely plausible explanation.

  2. I call bull by santax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "I manage the network for a defense contractor that needs a cloud-based storage service" No you don't. At least I sure as hell hope you don't. Cloud + defense don't mix but since you are managing such a network, why am I telling you this? Why don't you contact 'defense' for options...

    1. Re:I call bull by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "I manage the network for a defense contractor that needs a cloud-based storage service"

      No you don't. At least I sure as hell hope you don't. Cloud + defense don't mix but since you are managing such a network, why am I telling you this? Why don't you contact 'defense' for options...

      That was my first thought when I saw his message. It doesn't seem that any commercial Dropbox like service would provide enough fine grained ACL's and reliable and untamperable logging to properly secure any kind of "classified" data. It seems like keeping the data locked up in a VPN accessed fileserver would be better with restrictions on the computer that prohibit saving to local storage. Once it's on a dropbox like service, how do you keep an exec from syncing the entire restricted folder to his laptop before his overseas trip to China, thus violating the rules about keeping it on US soil?

    2. Re:I call bull by Wintermute__ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sadly, I think this guy might be for real. Notice he didn't say "classified", merely "ITAR-restricted". Those are nowhere close to the same thing. Yet, if you get caught messing up with ITAR data, it's still up to a million-dollar fine per instance I believe. Reason enough to tell your lusers "No, you may not use Dropbox" and block it at the firewall.

      Defense contractor - I'm thinking sub-contractor or sub-sub-contractor. There are so many small companies with no budget and less clue handling this kind of dangerous but not classified data out there, it's scary.

    3. Re:I call bull by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      my guess is it's a spook. with all the attention that leaks are getting right now, it seems totally plausible for some paid contractor to draw up some "classified documents" about snowden's child-trafficking ring or assange's cannibal cookbook, stick 'em on dropbox, and plant a horseshit story like this on a tech blog. then you just eat some popcorn and wait for the next security breach. you don't even have to get your hands dirty cracking into anything yourself.

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    4. Re:I call bull by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let's contract it out. It's cheaper, who cares why it's cheaper. It's obviously the exact same product with a middle-man markup for cheaper... (I got a bridge for you to look at buying...)

    5. Re:I call bull by SimonInOz · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's a nuclear weapons developer, they are pretty good at clouds.
      Too bloody good if you ask me. And where's my free electricity - "too cheap to meter" indeed.

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    6. Re:I call bull by Brucelet · · Score: 1

      Also, who's ever heard of a small business defense contractor?

  3. AWS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know that Amazon Web Services have several cloud-based sites that are certified to not allow traffic out of the US (I work there currently). I don't know how it fits your other needs, but there are a number of government agencies that use them.

  4. Cloud 0? by craznar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone needs to write a RAID 0 style encrypted 'driver' that stores your data striped on Google Drive, Skydrive and Dropbox (and what ever else).

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    1. Re:Cloud 0? by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to write a RAID 0 style encrypted 'driver' that stores your data striped on Google Drive, Skydrive and Dropbox (and what ever else).

      To give you 1/3 the reliability of storing it on a single provider and making your data completely inaccessible if any of them go down?

      If you want reliability, mirror it (or maybe RAID-5 or -6 if you want to tolerate one or 2 providers going down).

      If you want security, use encryption.

      If you don't trust your encryption, striping it across multiple providers doesn't enhance security by much since any provider could decrypt the pieces that he has (or someone could just intercept the intact datastream in transit to the providers)

    2. Re:Cloud 0? by Virtucon · · Score: 2
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    3. Re:Cloud 0? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to write a RAID 0 style encrypted 'driver' that stores your data striped on Google Drive, Skydrive and Dropbox (and what ever else).

      To give you 1/3 the reliability of storing it on a single provider and making your data completely inaccessible if any of them go down?

      You've never heard of parity?

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    4. Re:Cloud 0? by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to write a RAID 0 style encrypted 'driver' that stores your data striped on Google Drive, Skydrive and Dropbox (and what ever else).

      I assume you say raid0 so that even if someone got the encryption keys and also managed to hack one of the providers, they'd still only have access to 1/nth of the data. As others pointed out this breaks badly if even one provider goes down.

      Better would be a truecrypt style drive that did RAID6 across multiple accounts on multiple providers, which would give better reliability and still only reveal a fraction of the data (which is still encrypted) if someone hacked the provider

      But really, there is likely someone on your staff who is going to have the keys to the data, and have a family, and unless your data still seems important when someone has a gun to the head of someone you love, extreme levels of encryption and protection are a waste of time. Put an encrypted backup of your data in the cloud and be done with it. If you really need a live copy of your data in the cloud then encrypt that all the way back to the endpoint so even if the provider gets hacked they still need your keys.

    5. Re:Cloud 0? by FriedYuca · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Someone needs to write a RAID 0 style encrypted 'driver' that stores your data striped on Google Drive, Skydrive and Dropbox (and what ever else).

      To give you 1/3 the reliability of storing it on a single provider and making your data completely inaccessible if any of them go down?

      You've never heard of parity?

      Not in Raid 0, he hasn't.

    6. Re:Cloud 0? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Thats an awful idea, do you realize how bad the latency would be? What happens when one service is consistently behind the other, do you just allow the data to constantly be in an inconsistent state between your "stripes"? What happens if one provider is down-- do you allow the volume to remain "on" during the outage, and if so, where are you going to store the parity information until it comes back up?

      And all of this for what benefit?

      Youre basically taking the issues that arise in a mixed-hardware RAID, and amplifying them about a hundred times, and then throwing in TCP just to make things really exciting. You would end up with all of the bad parts of RAID 0, and none of the good ones (since one stripe is no good to you unless the other arrives immedately after, which can hardly be guaranteed over TCP).

    7. Re:Cloud 0? by DaHat · · Score: 2

      Or just buy a storage appliance that has that kind of functionality built in and backups to the cloud in an encrypted way.

      To quote one of their bullet points:

      Military-grade Security
      All data stored in the cloud with StorSimple has military-grade encryption applied to it. The encryption key is never given to StorSimple or the cloud provider, ensuring complete data privacy to support compliance requirements as stringent as HIPAA.

    8. Re:Cloud 0? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      My mistake. I glossed over that digit in reading.

      In my defense, suggesting parity would seem the more logical response than simply trashing the idea that seems more like a joke response anyway.

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    9. Re:Cloud 0? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I'm not the one that suggested striping on the Intenet. But if it had to happen, I would assume it would include parity.

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    10. Re:Cloud 0? by hawguy · · Score: 1

      My mistake. I glossed over that digit in reading.

      In my defense, suggesting parity would seem the more logical response than simply trashing the idea that seems more like a joke response anyway.

      You mean like when I said "mirror it (or maybe RAID-5 or -6 if you want to tolerate one or 2 providers going down)"? Though I probably should have said RAID-4 since that would be easier to implement. Performance would be pretty abysmal, especially for less than full stripe writes, but maybe that doesn't matter for a background sync.

    11. Re:Cloud 0? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      STRIPING would only keep half the data on your local system and the other half in the cloud and each alone would be useless without the other...

      Exactly. If someone wanted to steal it they'd have to hack the cloud and your local storage.

      Now go ask your mom for a cookie.

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    12. Re:Cloud 0? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Sort of like freenet is. Tho more reliable as its not a single point of failure.

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    13. Re:Cloud 0? by mrt_2394871 · · Score: 1

      I'm not the one that suggested striping on the Intenet. ...

      That happens all the time, I've seen the videos.

       
       

      Oh. "striping", not "stripping". As you were.

  5. Add Encryption to Dropbox by Sironfoot · · Score: 2

    Could you not add a layer of encryption to Dropbox, such as BoxCryptor (https://www.boxcryptor.com/)?

  6. SpiderOak, Bitcasa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know if they keep data elsewhere that *isn't* in the US, but you could look at both SpiderOak and Bitcasa. (throw .com on the end of each). Both claim to encrypt data on the client side before upload. SpiderOak has a "hive" feature that operates pretty much just like Dropbox. Bitcasa is a little different but you may be able to shoehorn it into a solution if you need to.

    Another option you could consider would be grabbing an S3 account from Amazon (or Rackspace Cloud Files could work too), keep your data in the US, and then create your own background client or script to encrypt the data on your machine and then upload it. There are several apps out there that can upload data to one of these cloud providers - there's Forklift in the Apple store and the popular "Cyberduck" which has support for both options. (I happen to be a Mac user so I'm not sure what Windows/Linux alternatives are there, but both have APIs so it's possible to roll your own if you want).

    You could also consider virtual machines and mounting them as NFS for shared storage. Obviously some form of encryption would be key here since this is all going over the internet.

    I can't guarantee any of these options will work for your use case (especially with your ITAR regulation requirements), but they may be a place to start.

    Good luck!

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  8. Never going to find one by Archfeld · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've worked contingency operations and recovery for data under federal regulations. You will NEVER find a service that will provide the kind of security, financial and geographical restrictions that you really need. That is the single most compelling reason why banks have backup data centers...

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    1. Re:Never going to find one by DaHat · · Score: 2

      How long ago? These folks seem to have an interesting solution for this kind of setup (encryption on-prem prior to being sent to the cloud and keys never leaving your control)... and also claim to be inside of at least one bank

  9. How about ssh? Http? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2, Informative

    Store it on a server at your business that you control.

    Run open-source software which gives you DropBox functionality, such as BitTorrent Sync.

    The only way to be sure is to host it on a server you control, using software that can be inspected.

    1. Re:How about ssh? Http? by Khopesh · · Score: 1

      BitTorrent Sync is not open-source software, nor do they appear to have plans to make it that. Maybe in time we'll have a F/OSS client for the protocol (though I don't know if they've even opened the protocol yet, so that might be an extra hurdle).

      However, it may not be necessary; set up an SSH server (which gives you SFTP) for uploads, perhaps even use one of the myriads of HTTP file upload mechanisms and guard it with some simple SSL. It doesn't look like there are any problems uploading in such high volume, just downloading.

      Now connect the SFTP/HTTPS drop area to a script that runs a bittorrent tracker, which then wraps it up, rolls out the torrent (with password protection, which is built into bittorrent; think about all of those member-only bittorrent sites out there), and hosts it. The server participates in bittorrent as the initial host but the seeders should catch up and distribute the load quite well.

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    2. Re:How about ssh? Http? by spongman · · Score: 1

      yeah, let me know when you have that working... until then, i'm running sync...

  10. Sparkleshare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sparkleshare is a git based program that you can configure and use entirely in-house. . I use it for hosting our IT documentation for a small city government.

  11. ownCloud by Infin1niteX · · Score: 1

    Why would you be looking for a provider for classified info instead of looking to create your own solution? Google ownCloud. Works just like Dropbox, opensource so you can always change it to fit your needs if it's missing something.

  12. Wuala?.. by thaiceman · · Score: 1

    I am surprised no one else mentioned this yet, Wuala encrypts locally then uploads to their server. But its feature set isn't quite on par with DropBox yet....

    1. Re:Wuala?.. by insp · · Score: 2

      Wuala stores their files in Switzerland. I doubt that would meet appropriate defense standards.

  13. Just use OwnCloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You host it yourself, control the data/features. Supports LDAP authentication. Client software is pretty quick. There is commercial support if you need it. Gracefully recovers from network loss. Oh and it has the appropriate iOS and Android clients. I have been slowly rolling it out in production without any complaints so far. Hope that helps!

    - Too lazy to login

  14. SpiderOak, and you're doing it wrong by Fencepost · · Score: 2

    I believe SpiderOak provides some encryption that you might think meets your needs, but I also agree with others that by the time you're asking this question something has already gone tragically wrong.

    Of course there's always the counter argument that your data has in fact already been hacked and pretending you can keep it secure is just self deception.

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  15. Calm down people... by krbvroc1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm sure he does not mean 'Classified' information. He means classified under ITAR. It was probably a poor choice of word to use classified rather than categorized.

  16. VMware Horizon Workspace or OwnCloud by insp · · Score: 2

    I'm very intrigued by the fact that you actually want to use an external cloud based storage solution. I would have thought that defense would have required not to use a third party for remote file storage. The best solution would be to "roll your own" and set up something in a private cloud hosted in a datacenter that meets your requirements. If you are a VMware shop, you should seriously take a look at Horizon Workspace as it provides a Dropbox like product that would be a great fit. If you want to run this on a budget, check out OwnCloud. I use that myself to keep home/work documents in sync between machines and always wanted the equivalent of Dropbox but syncing onto my own servers.

  17. No you don't by Wee · · Score: 1

    needs a cloud-based storage service

    You want to put classified data on someone else's servers? You're putting a HUGE amount of trust in the laziest/least ethical/most incompetent sysadmin that company hires. Why in hell would you think you "need" cloud-based anything?

    -B

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    1. Re:No you don't by Shados · · Score: 1

      If your company is of significant size, you still put a huge amount of trust in SOMEONE SOMEWHERE that you shouldn't. If shit happens at a third party you can sue a large entity. If one of your own employees screw you over, you can only sue an individual that won't be able to cough up any kind of reasonable damage settlement.

      Thats why people outsource payroll, employee performance evaluations and all that other crap.

    2. Re:No you don't by geezer+nerd · · Score: 1

      ITAR information is NOT classified information. ITAR is a lower-level categorization than classified. Not only does ITAR information need to remain inside the US, it also must not be accessible by foreign nationals who happen to be in the US.

      About 30 years ago my job encompassed ITAR information and classified information. We would never have thought about data storage anywhere outside the company, and likely not outside the building. Of course, not so much information back then was digital, and cloud solutions were nonexistent.

      The OP surprised me, indeed.

  18. AWS GovCloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know that Amazon Web Services have several cloud-based sites that are certified to not allow traffic out of the US (I work there currently). I don't know how it fits your other needs, but there are a number of government agencies that use them.

    Look here -> https://aws.amazon.com/govcloud-us/

    1. Re:AWS GovCloud by taoboy · · Score: 1

      Yep, mod this one way up.

      It has or is associated with a sufficient number of acronyms to qualify as a government-approved service, e.g., 3PAO - Third Party Assessment Organization (http://www.fedramp.gov/). Geesh...

      Seriously, you want to consider services like this because 1) you need to certify your solution in some accreditation official's notion of sufficiency, and 2) they've already done the work in dotting the 't's and crossing the 'i's

    2. Re:AWS GovCloud by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 1
      Yep. You remember the old saying that 'Nobody ever got fired for using IBM'? Well, that's the way it is nowadays with Amazon Web Services and either security or privacy. They have ITAR covered; they even can do HIPAA, and that's a freaking privacy nightmare to try to implement yourself.

      Yes, you can get it cheaper someplace else; you might get better service; or it might be easier to use (though it's gotten better over tiime). But nobody comes close to providing you as a sysadmin or developer with the cover that you need at a good price.

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    3. Re:AWS GovCloud by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      I know it may be a stupid question, but how many of these cloud storage providers are re-packaging amazon?

      Better off going to the source directly, so that you're the one screwing up the implementation of the amazon cloud storage, not a third party.

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  19. Ahem. by drolli · · Score: 2

    Pay somebody (contractor/consultant) who knoes what he does. Seriously, man. Ask for a 10 page concept with the tree best options fulfilling all your specific requirements (which you probably did not mention here), and offer him to implement it if you like one of these.

    My 2 cents on this: To me it is completely non-obvious how dropbox could have ended up in the stack of possible solutions - to little control, intransparent business model, other use case is the dominant one. I would start by looking at the obvious storage providers (amazon, telecoms, specialized local/regional/natinal storage providers), compare them by the options/price they offer, look separately at software fulfilling my local needs and being capable of talking to the storage providers. Then i would create local scenarios about additional dedicated hw needed and after that i would make my choice/give the best options to my manager to select, based on business criteria.

  20. You're kidding, right? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    I just looked at it. I need an account with them to encrypt my files? And it seems that my files may even transfer to them before encryption and after decryption. or am I missing something? And the video even is narrated by someone with a foreign accent and shows the names of encrypted files change to something that looks like Chinese????? If I'm going to encrypt my files for security or safety or even privacy, I'm certainly going to do it on my own computers, not with something where I need an "account" with someone else to have them encrypted. Adding a layer of encryption would be nice (although likely not good enough to protect ITAR data properly), but doing it after the data leaves the computer is just crazy talk.

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    1. Re: You're kidding, right? by Sironfoot · · Score: 1

      Reading up on BoxCryptor it looks like it uses end-to-end encryption. So the data is encrypted before it leaves your computer. I believe the sign up is because it's a software subscription model, you have to pay annually, which I don't like. I'd rather just pay for the software outright, and buy upgrades in my own time.

    2. Re:You're kidding, right? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Being suspicious of a security system because their encryption model is unclear to you is reasonable.

      Being suspicious because their narrator has a "foreign accent" or you see "something that looks like Chinese"... is just plain stupid.

      Boxcryptor is based in Germany. If that's a deal-breaker, so be it, but you didn't learn that by hearing their narrator speaking with an English accent. Being based in Europe, it's perfectly natural that they'd hire someone from England (or fluent in British English) rather than an American to record their English-language promo. Or maybe someone in the company is a British ex-pat. Or the marketing guy just loves English accents. It means nothing.

      As for the "Chinese", it appears that part of their encryption method involves using an alternate character set for the generated names of encrypted files, probably as a clever way of ensuring that there are no filename collisions. They could have used Hebrew, or Cyrillic, or whatever; they chose one of the Chinese character sets, probably because it's huge. It also means nothing... except that there are other forms of writing in the world, and their character sets are supported on modern computers.

      The fact that you're alarmed by the existence of "foreign" things makes you xenophobic, and the fact that you apparently would be less suspicious if they presented an America-only image makes you an idiot.

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  21. Syncplicity by Xygon · · Score: 1

    EMC's Syncplicity allows you to have a "cloud" backup that's actually domain authenticated and resides in your own data center. Some of the Dropbox-esque features people want, with the in-house security.

  22. ITAR is tighter than that by GumphMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some of our data is classified under International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) which requires that all data to remain inside the US, including any cloud storage or redundant backups.

    It is much tighter than that. You must ensure that only "US Persons" have access to that data without appropriate export licences/approvals/agreements. Can you guarantee that no foreign national, dual citizen, or employee of a foreign company is working at your cloud host or in any data centre that might be housing your data?

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    1. Re:ITAR is tighter than that by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

      BTW: IANAL but I am a "foreign national" that has been at the receiving end of ITAR fun and games.

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  23. AeroFS by HJED · · Score: 1

    I would suggest AeroFS it's P2P sync, they support multiple users and let you use your own Amazon EC3 instances if you want. It is fully encrypted.

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    1. Re:AeroFS by HJED · · Score: 1

      ok, I wasn't aware of that. It still works as a P2P dropbox alternative without using EC3 type service though, so still might be useful for the OP.

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    2. Re:AeroFS by thatkid_2002 · · Score: 1

      "your own Amazon EC3 instances" - isn't that an oxymoron?

    3. Re:AeroFS by HJED · · Score: 1

      as supposed to EC3 instances under the control of the company providing the service (AeroFS)

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    4. Re:AeroFS by thatkid_2002 · · Score: 1

      Company B is obviously much more honest than Company A.

  24. Encrypt data, store anywhere by mars-nl · · Score: 1

    I'm not in defense (and never will), but isn't (public key) encryption not invented to keep something secure in a unsecure enviroment (i.e. internet). Encrypt your files with very decent encryption, such as PGP/GPG, and upload to dropbox or whatever. Manage keys well.

    1. Re:Encrypt data, store anywhere by Andy_R · · Score: 3, Informative

      This isn't about security, it's security theater, it's not the safety of the data that matters, it's all about the box ticking. The box that must be ticked is 'data must not leave the US'.

      If you try to apply any rationale to the existence of this box, you'll end up with something like 'The data can't leave the US because as we all know there are no bad guys on US soil, foreign powers cannot buy airplane tickets, and the internet has border police that stop foreign traffic that has the evil bit set.'

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  25. SFTP by gagol · · Score: 1

    SFTP, the cloud can go **** itself.

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  26. You're delusional. by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no way to ensure that any third party company is going to protect your ITAR data, so you can't use cloud based storage. Tell your boss it's (1) a bad idea and (2) you are not going to jail to make it happen.

    1. Re:You're delusional. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Dude, it's a defense contractors.

      OP: tell your boss I'll do it for $4.5M/yr.

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    2. Re:You're delusional. by confused+one · · Score: 1

      Also mention the fines run into the $millions per instance and that willfully knowingly putting violating ITAR regulations can result in jail time for the responsible persons (read as the managers).

  27. Stronger policy by mysidia · · Score: 1

    "I manage the network for a defense contractor that needs a cloud-based storage service and am having a lot of trouble finding an appropriate solution that meets our requirements. We are currently using DropBox and I am terrified of seeing another data leak like last year. Some of our data is classified under International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) which requires that all data to remain inside the US, including any cloud storage or redundant backups.

    If you want Dropbox's functionality; I suggest you use Dropbox.

    However: DO NOT ALLOW ANY CONTENT REGULATED UNDER ITAR into a cloud service

    Second: DO NOT ALLOW ANY CLASSIFIED MATERIALS into a cloud service

    One possibility would be to implement Active Directory Rights Management Service (RMS) inside your organization. And set a policy that All sensitive documents must be composed using Microsoft Office, AND Users must encrypt all sensitive documents before saving them

    If your clients are running recent versions of Windows; there are some interesting things you can do to make sure that files get saved get encrypted. You can also use various third party scanning and Data Leak Prevention software products to help you with making sure RMS rights templates get applied to existing documents' that got stored on enterprise users' workstations

    If the file is RMS protected; in theory, Dropbox doesn't matter as much, because if someone accidentally places a file there; the file was encrypted, anyhow --- it can't be decrypted, unless your RMS server says it's OKAY and issues out a license to open the document (which contains the necessary crypto keys).

    You just need to be very firm about your security labelling and encryption policies for sensitive documents.

    1. Re:Stronger policy by thatkid_2002 · · Score: 1

      I giggled at "RMS".

  28. Re:Simple. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1
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  29. Contact your site/organizations Security Officer by khb · · Score: 2

    To get a ruling on whether you may do what you want. Otherwise, as others have noted, you may be very deep waters (not only will you be in violation, but anyone in the organization using the service will be, and you will have induced them to do it. Think serious civil as well as criminal consequences).

    From a technology angle, it may be "possible" if the folks in charge sign off.

    "All" you need to do is encrypt the data before it goes offsite, encrypt it well enough that the data is protected commensurate with its value, etc.

    For commercial users, https://jungledisk.com/ provides a very usable interface and GUI. Of course, if the client isn't trustworthy (and you have to take their word for it ;>) that goes out the window even if the algorithms are secure themselves ;>

    I use it for some SOHO confidential data; it wouldn't be the end of the world if the data were disclosed, but we have committed to make good faith effort(s) to keep it secure, so we do (rather than moving files to subs via email, etc.). Not all subcontractors could handle sftp and friends.

  30. I'm no system administrator, but... by natetk · · Score: 1

    If you need to access your data remotely and securely, why not just use sftp or ftps to log in to your in-house server? That way you can keep logs on the users that connect, set up who can access what, and have the traffic encrypted. I don't know why everyone is so hooked on "the cloud".

  31. Www.sharefile.com by tanawts · · Score: 1

    You should look into sharefile. It is a secure alternitive to drop box. You can also optionally host an on prem appliance while still utilizing their cloud based access and front end.

  32. Varonis has one thats good by LiteTree · · Score: 1

    Check out this on prem option from Varonis http://www.varonis.com/products/datanywhere

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  33. Re:It's there by mlts · · Score: 1

    4: Maybe the best solution is for the OP's firm to spend the dough, and create a remote recovery site here in the US.

    Unmanned remote sites are not hard to make, they can be stored in a secure area (there are lots of unmarked data centers used as co-locs with each customer having cages for both their equipment and their dancers.)

    Get with a FISMA certified provider. Get a backend SAN, or a SAN dedicated for backups. Add a read-only domain controller and a CIFS data mover.

    Call it done. Data stays encrypted, because it goes through routers that encrypt links, and can be encrypted at the drive end, or anywhere in between. To boot, it stays in the US.

    No staff needed at the remote site if done right. Set up iLO, remote rebooting, and remote consoles.

    No rocket science here... take a server, lock it in a cage, tack a pipe to it, and move on.

  34. SpiderOak by idsfa · · Score: 1

    SpiderOak (https://spideroak.com/business/) encrypts locally before putting the data into their cloud and supports linux AD.

    Worth looking into, I guess.

  35. CLASSIFIED or REGULATED under ITAR? by cdl · · Score: 3, Informative

    So - your use of terminology would lead me to think that you haven't been at this too long (I apologize in advance for the snark if that is not the case). If you deal with certain information, you would certainly NOT use the term CLASSIFIED in discussing the status of that information. CLASSIFIED has a VERY specific meaning in certain domains - including the domain that you seem to indicate that you work in. If you are, indeed, handling such information, I would suggest running, not walking to your FSO for a conversation. It will probably be fairly brutish and short. If, however, you are dealing with ITAR regulated information, then you have a different set of issues. You may not export the data without a permit, but you don't need to control it specifically within the US. Also, the regulations around foreign persons (or those of dual nationalities) relate to export activities. So, you can't transfer to a foreign person if you know (or suspect) that they are going to export the data. However, foreign persons in the US that aren't an export channel are not an issue (else a whole lot of commerce in the US would halt since I have no idea if another company has any foreign nationals employed, and I don't have to get an ITAR export license to ship something to another domestic company). In the later case (where we are talking regulation, not classification), you don't have an issue if you don't export the data (don't pick a company with foreign presence for cloud storage). Actually, one could probably be ok if they encrypted it (strongly) and then stored (but you may (or may not) want to talk to your DDTC rep about that. You should have no problems finding an offsite storage company to provide the service, and/or use someone who allows you to restrict the S3 zones (if AWS is the backend store) to us-* regions. Similar for rackfiles, dream objects, etc. Another comment here is worth highlighting, however - use consumer services, get consumer service. Go upmarket a bit if you are actually looking for something that your company's bottom line is hung on.

  36. Encryption layer ontop of Drop Box? by pegacat · · Score: 1

    There are a bunch of folks who add client side encryption to drop box.

    This mob: http://lock-box.com/ do a bunch of fancy client side key management to allow strong PKI management including revocation and re-keying of group accessed data. They're pretty good if you need a strong crypto layer on top of drop box, but there's a bunch of folks who add security to drop box with some balance of security and convenience. ... but like many other posters have said, be very careful before sticking classified data on any of this stuff; it's unlikely to be suitable unless the solution's been given a rating.

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  37. Encrypted Dropbox? by iroll · · Score: 1

    Is there a way you could encrypt the files or folders that are shared via dropbox, so that only people you have authorized (via a key) could decrypt them?

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  38. look for fedramp compliance by GovCheese · · Score: 2

    You might start with looking at FEDRAMP complaint providers found here: http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/131931 I would imagine that those listed providers also have FISMA certification so you'll be able to determine if the categorization of the data you are trying to protect is met by the provider. ITAR categorized data must be stored in CONUS and I believe AWS Government Community Cloud and the USDA National Information Technology Center offered by United States Department of Agriculture supports CONUS only storage. I believe Google Apps for Government does as well. But the key thing is to ensure the FiSMA cert matches the categorization of your data.

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  39. Re: Novell filr by amginenigma · · Score: 1

    I'll 3rd filr..Granted we've not been using it long enough to say how it will fair under stress, but so far it's been flawless.

  40. Two words that don't go together yet by dbIII · · Score: 1


    Dropbox + security? Sorry, they don't go together.
    Don't people remember the day when everyone could get into anybody else's dropbox account without a password? The dedupe hack where people were getting instant access to other people's files on dropbox with the file hash - a quick way to download movies but has more sinister applications. How about the problem where you get the illusion of locking people you've shared stuff with before out by changing the password, but it doesn't actually lock them out?
    It started off as a hack with a few python scripts as a front end to Amazon's storage and sadly it still shows. It's an epic failure in terms of security due to those I've mentioned and many more. In a business environment with multiple clients and a need to share things with one client and not another the dropbox sharing model is just an accidental disclosure waiting to happen. It's one to many and not one to one.
    Seriously, there are dozens of alternatives out there and dropbox doesn't even measure up to plain old FTP from thirty years ago in a business setting. Use it for a hobby if you want with your own personal stuff but it's just an accident waiting to happen if you are going to use it for anything business related where there would be consequences if it ended up on the front page of a newspaper.
    So if you've got nothing to hide you could use dropbox - or you could just put the files to download on your website. Dropbox is for those who can't put files on their website to download.

  41. Syncplicity? by stevel · · Score: 1

    I don't know much about it, but my employer, probably a larger company than yours, specifies that we should use EMC's Syncplicity Enterprise (http://www.syncplicity.com/products/enterprise-edition) for secure cloud storage. It offers the option of keeping the storage in-house. Worth a look.

  42. Owncloud or similar self-hosted by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Owncloud looks quite good at the moment and is very simple to set up and run. You host the data yourself and it is shared via a sync client, a web front end or links sent by email, which can have expiry times set. The email thing can be turned off if you are quite correctly worried that there are far too many people capable of reading your email.
    There is commercial support and some commercial extras but you can use the open version to try it out first (or indefinitely if that's all you need).

  43. SparkleShare? by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

    We use SparkleShare because we have our own git server anyway. Not sure how robust the security is compared to something specifically built for security (EG it's not like it has multi factor authentication).

    Still as others have pointed out what the fuck are you doing with a cloud based service as a defense contractor. We do open source software and the only stuff we're storing in sparkleshare is scratch work, images, document templates and random crap that anyone could steal and we wouldn't care anyway.

  44. Accellion by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    I managed accellion for web based and sftp file transfers, it's pretty mature, not too expensive. Check
    www.accellion.com

    The setup I used was a virtual server on vmware with an encrypted file system from a file server on our SAN.

    The link for government services is at:
    http://www.accellion.com/why-accellion/for-government

  45. BitTorrent Sync by jfisherwa · · Score: 1

    You can limit it to VPN and sync folders peer-to-peer. It monitors and syncs changes for you, and is great for making a redundant backup/dropbox-type distribution system.

  46. AWS GovCloud by flimflammer · · Score: 1

    This is exactly what the system is designed for: https://aws.amazon.com/govcloud-us/

  47. You need to self-host the dropbox-alternative by cloudzack · · Score: 1

    It is only secure when you put your hands all around it and have full control. There are products out in the market for you to self-host the solution. You can put a DNS name on your instance and all the data stays in your infrastructure. Check out Gladinet Cloud Enterprise - a Self-Hosted Dropbox Alternative Solution. http://www.gladinet.com/serviceprovider/selfhosteddropbox.aspx

  48. My 2 cents by thatkid_2002 · · Score: 1

    Whatever you chose should really be run over a VPN for external usage. Period.

    I'd look at using ownCloud - and you can get commercial support if it is required. I used to work for a company which used Novell iFolder and that was pretty good - but looking into that a little more it seems like Novell has a new thing called Filr which seems to tick the boxes (especially from a Manager perspective).

  49. Buy a drop box server cluster. by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    Literally email dropbox and tell them you need to purchase some of their servers.

    If you're seriously using this feature and price isn't a big deal, they'll sell the literal servers which can be insulated within your own network with slightly different settings so it isn't immediately obvious to probes what sort of software you're using.

    The first rule of computer security is physical security.

    This is very very key. If you really want your data to be secure. You have to have physical possession of it. It cannot be on some remote server that you don't control. And by control, I mean you can walk up to it kick the power cord out of the wall if you so desired. THAT is control.

    If you don't have that you're "trusting" someone else which is not how security works. Security is not about trust. Security is about paranoia.

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  50. Encrypted Drive Image by david.kammer · · Score: 1

    Although its a very limited solution, for a small number of documents your needs may be met by uploading individually encrypted documents an encrypted drive image.

  51. Synology CloudStation is the closest thing. by Quick+Reply · · Score: 1

    Synology have been moving from the personal to the enterprise space as of late with their "DiskStation" NAS line of products. Some of their high end "NAS" boxes can get pretty powerful. There is a function of the DiskStation is called "Cloud Station", essentially a Dropbox clone.

    Basically what you would be doing is having your own on-premises 'Dropbox appliance'. It is very easy to setup/integrate with it's user-friendly interface for the admin, and then all you really need to do then is forward the ports and install the client software.

  52. Tresorit by Doh! · · Score: 1

    Tresorit is another Dropbox clone with client-side encryption. I couldn't find any information about it beyond the marketing materials though.

    https://tresorit.com/

  53. RackTop Systems by ElllisD · · Score: 1

    If you have zfs based fileservers to sync you can try a solution called ZFS-DR by RackTop Systems. But it doesn't sound like that's what you're after if Dropbox was what you were using previously.

  54. Help I am Classified Clueless by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

    You do government work and you are this clueless? No wonder the USA is in the state it is in. You should start by reading the ITSG.

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  55. Novell Filr by kometen · · Score: 1
  56. I think I see the problem by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    I manage the network for a defense contractor that needs a cloud-based storage service

    Stop right there, I think I've spotted the problem.

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  57. Build one yourself by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    Nobody else but you will be blameable in case of a leak. And you can tailor the solution to your needs, to your specifications and to your use cases, both technical and functional. Oh, and here is a well-meant piece of advice: stop thinking of "the cloud". Don't. Just don't. If your data is so important, then host some hardware in a fire-proof, earthquake-proof place, run your self-built solution on that hardware in that facility, and off you go.

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  58. bittorrent sync by spongman · · Score: 1

    it's not open-source, if you care about that, and it's still in beta (what isn't these days?), but it's free, secure and it works well.

  59. what about by sithlord2 · · Score: 1

    Citrix ShareFile?

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  60. Office 365 by shokk · · Score: 1

    Office 365 isn’t cheap but it has SkyDrive Pro included, which is protected by multiple U.S. data centers, and is only in the U.S.

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  61. Secure Clowd thingie by Mindscrew · · Score: 1

    www.egnyte.com

  62. Citrix ShareFile by rail · · Score: 1

    Citrix ShareFile On-Premises. Drop Box-like interface, encrypted onsite data storage.

  63. Re:Novell filr by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

    Filr is amazing. You get everything Dropbox provides but the data stays on your file servers and all your existing ACLs are respected.

  64. Alfresco Enterprise, Workdesk, and Cloud. by BarneyRabble · · Score: 1

    You are stating that you need a secure data solution under ITAR, keeping your cloud based data within the USA. Alfresco Enterprise http://www.alfresco.com/ would be a solution, since you can limit what data is being handled by your users via the web, mobile or PC via role based management using Alfresco Share. Developer tools for Alfresco allows you create custom plugins, if one does not exist at the moment, have your developer team create a custom plugin to meet those requirements (say, ITAR??). And it works with either Windows or Linux. Data inside your firewall is kept secure on both sides of the firewall. Will probably catch hell for even suggesting this for your organization.

  65. DIY by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    Setup your own storage at your office. Don't trust public companies for your data.

    If you dont/cant do it yourself, hire someone to come in and doit. And audit the hell out of what they do.

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  66. I just can't believe this by flacco · · Score: 2

    I completely do not understand anyone storing even remotely confidential data, much less security-related data, on servers hosted by another organization.

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    pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
  67. Re:Simple. by Moryath · · Score: 1

    VPN, a Samba share with required domain authentication, and inside the share a Truecrypt volume (or volume(s) plural).

  68. Email it to you gmail acct by Frankie70 · · Score: 1

    Email the data to your gmail account. That's what I do.

  69. Gith by Nothnoth · · Score: 1

    Why don't you check "Gith" ? www.gith-systems.com It's been released last week and everything is fully encrypted. The servers are hosted in France for now, not in the US yet !

  70. Re:Simple. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    You're missing the rsync component of the equation, but yes. This is the essence.

    Now, administer for 250 users. :-)

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    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  71. Onehub? by MrBallistic · · Score: 1

    onehub lets you brand your own version of dropbox, stores it on aws, and lets you create your own local version. it's pretty great for companies that want dropbox but want control.

  72. ClearOS + ownCloud = Secure Hybrid Cloud by MichaelProper · · Score: 1

    The combination of ClearOS and ownCloud enables you to build a Secure Hybrid Cloud offering based upon open source file sync and share technology that is as easy to use as Dropbox, but is hosted in your data center, on your servers, using your security policies, etc. Here are some helpful links: ClearOS Link: http://www.clearcenter.com/Software/clearos-professional-overview.html ownCloud Link: https://owncloud.com/products/enterprise Enjoy!

  73. Definitions, Tick Boxes, control by eionmac · · Score: 1

    1. I act for a UK organization which has similar restrictions for handling Export Controlled matters & 'Classified' matters. These are not the same. The users and any intermediaries need to be known and locked down.
    2. if "Cloud" storage for access from remote computer, then the store for both of above had better be within your own location and control and under your own domain, never under a 'third party external service' on remote servers to which you have no physical access.
    3. ITAR and its equivalent UK Export Control restrict some things, 'Classified' by any government restricts other things. However the penalties are very severe for bad practice.
    4. You have a problem if any person would access your servers from outside the USA, as internet access passes through non USA systems. If you and all your staff ONLY work within the USA then this is possible, but note, ITAR does allow staff to take laptops home, Classified (depending on level) does not allow staff to leave the locked building with any laptop or copy (USBs anyone?). The nationality or birth of any person outside the USA may forbid you having them in any chain that allows corporate computer access.
    Example: The company I advise has some senior USA staff, I have to control that they have no access whatsoever or knowledge of certain UK EYES ONLY level matters.
    Keep 'cloud' internal to USA (i.e. refuse and block all foreign incoming and outgoing signals). Check parentage of all staff. You have your work cut out!

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    Regards Eion MacDonald
  74. Re:DIY by BarneyRabble · · Score: 1

    Setup your own storage at your office. Don't trust public companies for your data.

    If you dont/cant do it yourself, hire someone to come in and doit. And audit the hell out of what they do.

    Alfresco takes the DIY out of this.

  75. Classified as ITAR is correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ITAR is a CLASSIFICATION. So saying "data classified as ITAR" is 100% correct.

  76. CX.com is Designed for What You're Doing by obscuro · · Score: 1

    They're nice guys too. https://www.cx.com/

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    Every rule has more than one consequence.
  77. Sounds like a business oppertunity by DirtyLiar · · Score: 1

    Why don't YOU create the product that your company wants, then market it to other companies with similar needs.

    You could suggest it to your bosses as a new money-maker for your corporation, and when they turn you down (make sure it's in writing), get some people together and do it yourself.

    Lot's of new businesses have been created by one business meeting it's own needs, then selling it's solution.

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    THINK! It's patriotic

  78. Have a look at Seafile by killing · · Score: 1

    You can try Seafile: http://seafile.com/en/home/ It's open source, you can build your own Dropbox like service.

  79. sabredav looks like it can do what you want. by deniea · · Score: 1

    Hi,

    Check out this project on github: https://github.com/bokxing-it/sambadav

    It is a bridge between samba and webdav. You run it on your webserver and it connects to shares/machines that have samba shares on your LAN. It uses smbclient to access the LNA shares, converts it in WebDav. It lets me mount samba network shares on a Win7 as a driveletter, without the need to make a VPN connection.

    mu € 0.02

  80. www.ncryptedcloud.com by CASTOFSHAOWS · · Score: 1

    Dropbox + nCrypted Cloud (www.ncryptedcloud.com) = Enterprise Level Security in the cloud

  81. BitTorrent Sync by masterjames · · Score: 1

    take a look at bittorrent sync. http://labs.bittorrent.com/experiments/sync.html with cheap hardware and multiple locations(the locations could be virtual servers at different data centers around the world.) you could set up your own cloud for the cost of the hardware. run the host machines on your favorite flavor of linux and configure the different machines to do the rest. you add stuff to your onsite machine and it gets distributed securely and quickly to the other nodes. ive been playing around with the software for a week now but it seems to be exactly what we needed as a community.

  82. Regarding secure end point backup and sync by Vaultize_sam · · Score: 1

    Hello, Please have a quick look at www.vaultize.com . Vaultize is an enterprise-grade unified platform for secure file sharing - together with endpoint backup, endpoint encryption and Google Apps backup - that helps enterprises mitigate these risks through complete enterprise control and visibility on the use of unstructured data. It is the only solution that does military-grade (AES 256bit) encryption together with de-duplication at source (patent pending) – making it the most secure and efficient solution in the world. For product trial, please contact http://www.vaultize.com/try_it_free.html. Thanks, Sam sameer@vaultize.com