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Edward Snowden Leaks Could Help Paedophiles Escape Police, Says UK Government
An anonymous reader writes "Paedophiles may escape detection because highly-classified material about Britain's surveillance capabilities have been published by the Guardian newspaper, the UK government has claimed. A senior Whitehall official said data stolen by Edward Snowden, a former contractor to the US National Security Agency, could be exploited by child abusers and other cyber criminals. It could also put lives at risk by disclosing secrets to terrorists, insurgents and hostile foreign governments, he said."
Those demagogical assholes are the worst terrorists of all.
Is there anything that they won't use the 'think of the children' line on?
Pathetic.
Sent from my PDP-11
It's all for the children....
Ha ha ha ha !
Now we know they're desperate, hate the population, and have entirely run out of arguments.
Time to recall this government. Failing that, maybe just kick them some more while they're down. It's what they'd do to us, after all.
Give it a couple of weeks and Snowden will be labeled a pederast and it will play over and over in the news until it is true.
The old, "Associate your target with helping pedophiles" approach.
You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
There is a lot of hype here.
Yet another "think of the children" excuse to be dicks.
Table-ized A.I.
The secret police state is at risk!
Ayup. Trains, taxis, bicycles, roller blades and running shoes can be used to escape police. The UK Gubmint should immediately ban them all. We cannot expect the Plods to have to run and catch perps after eating their doughnuts and coffee if the perps are wearing running shoes now can we?
and it could release all the pink elephants from their cyberprisons.
If they are dumb enough to not know that the government was spying on them and looking for them. *government staggering - Must....catch...paedophiles...at...all costs (gasp)*
Society use your Sciences
The "think of the children!" canard. I was expecting you sooner [casually takes a pull from an oversized brandy snifter].
Yeah, and sale and possession of firearms enables rapist to threaten and rape children! Yet we don't seem to imply the same logic there. How strange.
Child rape is becoming the new Godwin. Before we know it Glenn Beck will be using it every other sentence as well.
If an experiment works, something has gone wrong.
The good old "Think of the children!" FUD card.
Dear all gouvernements around the world, you were caught the hand in the cookie jar. You are lucky to be free after that. Now just shut the fuck up.
Sorry, but governments have forfeited their use of the words "pedophile" and "terrorist". If they mention them, I'm concluding they are lying.
Captcha: fascism
They're now resorting to "think of the children!" mindset in order to discredit Snowden?
It shows how desperate these governments are to try to quash anymore leaks.
Amazing how they always bring out this justification when they're caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
1984 just happened. The uk has the most surveillance cameras of any country, the USA has to now be counted as an oppressive police state when you look at the work of the NSA, DHS and all the other agencies set up to 'protect' the population.
Why not just tell the truth. Yes there are crazies out there, yes we try and identify them to save you from them, but now all the spook squads have funding they've taken on a life of their own and we can't stop them cos we don't actually know what they're really up to.
anything bad happens... mention pedophiles... i see no use this would be for pedos as they prey on children, they are opportunist predators.... not protestors
them reading the policies and procedures of how they monitor web traffic is usually wasted on them.. but hey lets just put them out there so it makes the news and scares the simple folk
Now here we have another fine example of the Godwin argument of computer security.
Of course it would... also, scary aliens, space AIDS and that weird growth on the bottom of my heel... because....
"Senior Whitehall Official" != "Has a clue about technology."
If you don't let us snoop on you, children get fucked. I mean, literally, fucked, by pedophiles. Yes, that is your only choice a stalker or pedophile. Pick one.
If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
We've heard from David Cameron that Snowden's leak "damaged national security."
Cameron made veiled threats suggesting he could take the media to court over publishing the leaks.
Government enforcers employed heavy-handed tactics to intercept, detain and threaten those even tangentially connected to the leaks.
Many were forced to destroy technical equipment in a quixotic quest to purge the unpurgeable.
Now, all of that failed. Predictably, this is the kind of horse shit they've resorted to slinging.
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. --Will
Torygraph, almost as bad as Daily Scary Mail.
Next headline: Snowden was a necrophiliac and wanted to dig up your grandma's grave!
'Nuff said.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
guys like this--------------> senior Whitehall official ,we know they know it , they know we know it. we know they know we know it.they know we know they know we know it.
are the problem. we know it , they know it
so now what?
captcha=colons
Over here! It's something shiny! It'll help you forget that we're abusing our positions in the government.
If they ACTUALLY wanted to help kids they'd apply some actual knowledge gathered from study in this area and develop strategies to minimise occurrence, but it's SUCH a successful rhetorical boogieman/distraction...
Let's see.
"Save the children"? Check.
"Terrorism"? Check.
"For your own good"? Check
If you can't smell the heavy miasma of bullshit wafting off this, you need a new fucking nose.
Quick! Nobody's listening to the terrorist argument! Deploy the paedophiles!
Yes, the publicizing of the NSA and GCHQ's surveillance capabilities COULD in theory help paedophiles avoid detection... but I suspect that most paedophiles are not so technically savvy that the details will be important to them. For the majority of them, just as for the majority of the general population, the message they will take away is that "Big Brother Is Watching You", and if they do not assume that from the very start, then they are very naive.
The other side of the coin would be an interesting one - perhaps a Freedom Of Information request to GCHQ, to ask how many man-hours as a percentage of their total work is spent tracking and investigating paedophiles. I would wager a lot of money that, if they were to give an honest answer to that, it would be 0. GCHQ are not, and never will be, interested in tracking paedophiles.
There must be some really geeky peds in UK that can utilize what's in NSA documents to not get caught.impressive pedophiles you have out there.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion. -- Spazmania (174582)
In defense of the government's statements they've held out an extraordinarily long time before invoking children in this debate.
What a bucket of bullshit...
long time, every position
It's an interesting twist: instead of claiming spying is essential for the nation's foreign intelligence capabilities and security when faced with nation state adversaries, they are now claiming spying is needed to combat internal, run-of-the mill criminals. So they are basically admitting they are building a surveillance state where every possible law that the leaders imagine can also be enforced.
If we are to configure our society so that every sicko that enjoys child molestation videos in the privacy of his home is immediately apprehended, then it seems to me any type of dissent of conspiracy against the government becomes impossible. Good luck explaining to the public that's a bad compromise.
We need to break the law and spy on law abiding citizens FOR THE CHILDREN and to STOP TERRORISTS.
They're going for broke.
-- Will program for bandwidth
How about coming up with a way to catch criminals that doesn't involve preemptively spying on everyone?
Paedophiles may escape detection because highly-classified material about Britain's surveillance capabilities have been published by the Guardian newspaper
As if another newspaper published it, it wouldn't have been a problem. This is what it looks like when old rich children throw temper tantrums.
Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
Don't you know eroding civil liberties in cyberspace has always = stopping pedos? Just like eroding civil liberties IRL = stopping terrorists.
Except I don't actually think most are buying this now. 6 months a year ago, yes, now. Not so much.
May let jaywalkers avoid detection.
You may never know which neighbor stole your newspaper, last july 23
your girlfriends naked sunbathing at the nude beach, might be missed by the satellites.
The TSA personnell at the airport may have to work.
Taxes might have to increase to cover the FOIA requests.
Gilligan may never get off the island !
Jimmy Hoffa may never be found.
You might complain about obamacare and nobody will be listening.
The FUD is strong in these ones...
While they mumble trash about "Think of the children", in reality Snowden never really gave anything away. If you think a high level description of something is 'giving away secrets', then you are either an idiot or a fool (or both). Like everything else, the devil is in the details, and powerpoint has always been *profoundly* shy on that sort of thing (likewise the suits that drag it out). Anyone with half a clue about security would not put information out on the interweb that would let agencies track them. Electronic technology? Sure, but nothing trackable (not on the internet). There are a million ways to do this. A way of hacking across air gaps was demonstrated recently using the microphone/speaker on a computer to cross air gap barriers to another computer with microphone/speakers. You could use an ultasonic transducer to send data via a hard metal rail, or through the water to another computer. An ultraviolet pulsed laser aimed at a window 10 blocks away is not detectable by other people, and can send craploads of data. But these are not things published by Snowden, likewise me knowing that the NSA has something called 'Thin Thread' is a secret, but knowing how it works is an open question. I can guess, but the devil is in the details. Think of the children? What about the civil liberties we have given up in their name already? Think of that!
people on there own computer in their own home is fine with me no matter who you do or dont get.
You people are never going to understand what the fuck freedom is.
You dont get to spy citizens in there home.
If you have probable cause on someone go to the court get a warrant.
Otherwise stay the fuck out of peoples house and any evidence you collect if you dont should never be admissible in any court in the world that claims to be a free country or at least quit pretending.
In the UK, government escapes you!
Faith in humanity restored.
I thought the snowden leaks about spying were in relation to Terrorism.
They're using them to track paedophiles now?
That's funny, how do paedophiles affect "national security"?
I wonder who it could be? Could be any one of us, I suppose...
First, they said he was a traitor.
Then, they accused him of stealing.
Followed closely with the accusation that he has been a Soviet spy.
Now ?
Edward Snowden, according to them, is aiding pedophile and all other sexual perverts, especially those "exploiting innocent children", to evade surveillance by the "GOOD GUYS", namely, the spooks/cops/big brothers.
In other words, Edward Snowden, to some, is a de-human-izer.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
They mean it prevents protecting perverts
https://www.google.com/search?q=jimmy+savile
For confirming that nothing Snowden has leaked did actually endanger anyone.
Because if it had, we'd be hearing about that 24/7.
They're showing rapist, murderers and yes, even child abusers how forensics can track them down! They must be stopped now!
Because, of course pedophiles have never before thought the government might be trying to catch them online.
Left unsaid: How many pedophiles have been identified by NSA/GCHQ spying...only to be left alone to bugger small children in the name of "protecting national security".
I was going to argue that the UK is a Banana Republic but it just occurred to me that they are a Banana Monarchy.
No Way...if you're a peedo///then you deserve to get shot, nothing less. On the other hand... Our own country shouldn't be looking at the content of each of my posts.
The thing I'm not hearing is the actual success rate in catching anyone they're supposedly looking for. If it's anything like the success rate in uncovering spies (even in their own organisations) it would be somewhere in the vicinity of zero. It's quite clear that this defence of 'catching paedophiles' is a smoke-screen. It's clear that even the police are making very little headway in this respect, and frankly very few resources are allocated to the problem. It's nothing more than a desperate attempt to justify mass surveillance.
... so we better get some pollution going.
The availability of digital cameras also help paedophiles (not only to escape the police but also to commit their crimes).
Quite pathetic that they would look for such an excuse to carry on with their intrusive and malicious spying. I thought they were looking for terrorists only, have the goal posts moved? What are they not telling us? Is it about making money on the stockmarket by using information stolen from the emails exchanged between companies?
To me, the NSA and GCHQ are the real creepy perverts for eavesdropping and storing my life on their servers as if I have no rights to privacy. I wonder how many paedos they have caught using their spying en masse?
Is there any better argument for anything?
(Copied from a Techdirt comment):
I wonder if the CIA distributes pedo material the same way they get Swiss bankers to drink-drive?
Imagine you are a UK minister. Like most men you look at porn because you're biologically programmed to like pictures of woman doing stuff. Like most ministers you pretend porn is vial and evil, because that's how you get elected.
CIA wants to turn you into an apparatchik, so they do their 'redirect' attack, the one they use to MITM Google in one of the leaks. CIA redirects them to a kiddy porn server in Orlando, now the logs of both GCHQ and NSA show them visiting a kiddy diddling site.
CIA man visits minister and explains the shock and outrage at finding this, but assures minister that he's a good man and therefore the CIA won't tell.
Minister can't go to MI5 because Parker could be a CIA apparatchik (he is doing an attack on the free press FFS). Indeed he can't get help at all, because all it takes is ONE apparatchik among the people in the know and he is gone.
It may sound fanciful, but the mechanisms are already in place. Also read a few leaks. The plan to attack Greenwald & Wikileaks.
http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Data-intelligence-firms-proposed-a-systematic-attack -against-WikiLeaks/12751/
The leverage they got over a Swiss Banker:
http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-describes-cia-tricks-2013-6
The weird way ministers are behaving.
If you can't smell the heavy miasma of bullshit wafting off this, you need a new fucking nose.
And yet, the demonize Snowden rhetoric made it pas Slashdot editors to make front page. How many times is that now even just in the last few days?
Wikileaks has shown us that Reddit cofounder Alexis Ohanian was attempting to abuse his position, sell out and leverage reddit users by working for Stratfor. They turned him down apparently due to already having the area covered. Could we now be witnessing Slashdots Ohanian moment, now directed they peddle pathetic anti-Snowden properganda to the front page?
All criminals who escape do so for the exact same reason: they know that plenty of people will turn a blind eye. Why? The average person DOES NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT. The law of the jungle (including crime) feels safer. So we don't report routine stuff we see, we don't allow cameras everywhere, etc. An entire underclass will not speak to the police, period. It's why Irish terrorists could escape for decades.
If the government want so catch pedophiles it has to earn trust. More secrets is not the answer: that only makes it worse.
There is no evidence any of the secret stuff works, because the evidence, relying on secret partial truths and anecdotes, is pretty much every great logical fallacy rolled into one.
It's gotten to the stage where even the Terrorists are now seeming fairly decent and honest blokes compared to the NSA. At this point, as we see just how low they have sunk, what can one expect but Cameron, Obama et al. trotting out the bogey-monster of the mythical candy-van strnger outrside your back door who will rape your children while you sleep.
He doesn't realise that it's the NSA and his own British arm of them that is fucking everyone's kids under our very noses.
David Cameron, I would trust a paedophile to look after my child far easier than trusting you, Obama and the rest of your five ears to safeguard the planet.
Julian Assange redux with a twist.
Difference? none, is the same evil gov that seeks revenge.
So why didn't this Whitehall official also point out the danger of the UK becoming an all-surveilling police state? Or would that be not incompatible with being a Whitehall official?
No, we just have to eliminate the children. No paedophilia possible.
Then why is anyone in the British government opposing him?
The British ruling class is lousy with pedos, and has been since Roman times.
How about regulating both water and clean air.
You know. For profi^Wthe children.
I would love to hear that a judge, upon hearing this kind of bullshit, threw his gavel at the apparatchik's head and knocked him out cold. If that happened, my respect for the courts in the UK would increase infinitely.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
This reeks of desperation. Whitehall must really be on the backfoot.
May the Maths Be with you!
Up next: Edward Snowden thinks baseball is slow and boring and he hates his moms apple pie!
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
as it implies a few things for starters.
1. Britain, having exhausted all other methods of corrective action against pedophilia and child exploitation that may prove fruitful given its nature in the UK, now relies on a clandestine american spy program that hasnt been proven to catch a single pedophile, let alone terrorist.
2. the spy program, although decried throughout europe and asia as invasive and inappropriate, is however of such great importance to the efforts of the UK to fighting crime as to be above critique. Nay, it is above even mentioning the very programs or policies in place.
3. That edwards revalations may prove fruitful to hostile governments neglects to inform the reader that the information disclosed is related to a government that practices rendition, harbored a network of secret prisons, exercises indefinite detention against foreign and domestic nationals, and practices torture. the hostile government in question also operates the largest prison population in the world.
4. that so far your only response to the snowden revelations has been to harass and intimidate your own journalists into silence has exposed the ineptitude and desparation with which you seek to just make the whole thing go away. That somehow you think this condescending appeal to the humanity of the UK through your 'think of the children' rhetoric is even plausibly considered valid is laughable. Glen Greenwald is evidence enough you couldnt care less.
as an american citizen i can only implore europe: please, stop us. this has gone on far enough, far beyond spy vs spy and into america spying on every foreign citizen of any foreign government it chooses under the guise of some malevolent executive privilege we awarded ourselves after jihadists bombed a financial center. we have, as we continue to do today, exercised rendition and torture based on the information we collect using these programs.
Good people go to bed earlier.
All this terrorist talk was getting me nervous. Think of the children!
Just last week we had a story about how an organisation dooped aload of pedos into believing a clearly CG photo was a real 12 year old Philippino.
I very much doubt the majority of these guys are googling all over the web to cover their tracks from GCHQ or the CIA which lets remember, they're not going after pedos in the first place.
Also, every time you write an article based on Snowden leaks, god kills a kitten.
Obviously. Enough said. What I can't get is why most people don't get it and keep swallowing this hype.
Tha gubbamint know best cuz da gubbamint is da gubbamint?
Why not secure the borders and deport the people who they're surveying 24/7 for terrorism instead of setting up a surveillance state and watching everyone 24/7? You're the halfwit. If you're so much for law and order why not request warrants through the courts and gain information that way instead of carrying out this illegal wiretapping? You're a facist.
UK is such a shitty place.
Yes, I agree. While we are at it, let's add cameras to every house, home and room. This way we can protect the children even better.
Paedophile in action? Caught!
Incest in action? Caught!
Domestic violence? Caught!
Immoral behaviour? Caught!
Incorrect political opinions? Caught!
If you resist, you are obviously protecting paedophilia, incest, violence, immorality etc.! Because good and lawful people have nothing to hide.
So you think leaking confidential documents *doesn't* damage security in some way? Have you just landed from Planet Naive?
In this case, pretty much no.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
I could think of the children. And you may go have vigorous intercourse with yourself.
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
There's no other way to say it - "won't somebody THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is the "Godwin's Law" of todays generation.
Extra points if you recognize the irony in screaming "think of the children" (ie the problem is that someone was THINKING OF CHILDREN far too much already).
Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Prime
"Geoffrey Arthur Prime (born 21 February 1938) is a British former spy, who disclosed information to the Soviet Union while working for the Royal Air Force and later for Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), the British cryptography agency, during the 1960s and 1970s. Prime was convicted in the early 1980s of charges of espionage and child sexual abuse."
It was only during the reporting of his case that GCHQ's existence was acknowledged to the British public.
Pursuing pedophiles is the new Inquisition, it is the last bastion of the bureaucratic tyrant.
No right of law is as sacred, and no punishment is too severe for those accused.
and whats with this "anonymous reader" submitter? The article reeked so badly nobody wanted to take credit (blame) for posting it?
Let's nuke it all from the orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Sorry for the overused quote, but it just had to be here.
Absence of proof != proof of absence.
Afghanistan was not the right target because of those idiotic words from Shrub but because they were actually involved in act whilst Iraq was only guilty of having oil and pissing off Shrubs' Daddy.
You obviously don't know why people accepted the case against Afghanistan but hate Shrub and wish to make a conflation that is entirely constructed so you can berate everyone like that as dumber than you.
Quicly looking at comment section of Telegraph article I see that it propably didn't succeed in indoctrinating anyone. Therefore I'm curious why such a piece of crap has been published at all. Maybe it is not directed to unwashed masses. Maybe it is directed to corporate/bankster/military/intelligence estabullshitment, not ordinary people. Maybe it is some kind of message sent by puppet government and puppet media saying something like: "See, we're (still) loyal. We'll go with you everywhere and we're ready to defend your (dirty) business even to our own detriment. We'll do anything, just give us some convenient, well paid position in your corporations when people throw us out.". I see this as a dangerous precedence. Politicians not afraid of what people think about them will not hesitate to send police or military to beat everyone "to the fuck'n skull" or "disappear" people if ordered so by TPTBs. The same with media: seeing journalists producing such crap without any signs of hesitation I smell crappy soviet-style system of propaganda (which I still remeber as I've spent my childhood in communist Poland).
So you think leaking confidential documents *doesn't* damage security in some way? Have you just landed from Planet Naive?
In this case, pretty much no.
In this case, pretty much yes.
It is a severe threat to the job security and budget of those parasites who lost a sense of proportion of what is acceptable and those who were supposed to oversee them.
National security is still exposed to the usual threat by those who are supposed to run the country for the benefit of all. Which justifies a permanent orange threat level. If the current bunch were vikings, Alfred the Great would rise from the grave and drive them back into the sea. Although that might not be possible due to the current international treaties concerning pollution of the North Sea.
20 minutes into the future
that it will also make people kill kittens, kick puppies and generally abuse cute critters.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
"Snowden was a bankster ! He funnelled billions and billions to offshore accounts with his NSA know-how, he's responsible for the housing bubble and crash !"
SEX Crime! sex CRIME!
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
"We've heard from David Cameron that Snowden's leak "damaged national security.""
So you think leaking confidential documents *doesn't* damage security in some way? Have you just landed from Planet Naive?
So you think leaking confidential documents *will alway* damage security in some way? Have you just landed from Planet Gulliable?
You fucking halfwit. Bleaters like you will be the first to shout and clamp your little feet when another innocent person is shot on the tube due to "intelligence" incompetencies. You don't deserve the freedom other people have fought for.
Clicked the wrong entry while moderating, so posting this to undo it - please ignore.
The link for Tech Herald is down/gone, try this one on Salon which covers the proposed attack to discredit Greenwald and Wikileaks, and also discusses HBGary's Defence department links.
http://www.salon.com/2011/02/16/hbgary_federal/
"It’s well known at this point that HBGary Federal was one of several technology firms recently exposed for scheming to attack WikiLeaks, Salon’s Glenn Greenwald, and critics of the Chamber of Commerce. What has gotten less attention is just how much business HBGary Federal and its partner company, HBGary, do with the United States government."
"Internal HBGary Federal emails reviewed by Salon show that the firm was on its way to getting security clearance at the Department of Defense late last month. HBGary Federal CEO Aaron Barr has bragged that the firm provides “specialized threat intelligence, incident response, and information operations capabilities to the IC [Intelligence Community], DoD, and Federal agencies.” The exact nature of the services provided by HBGary Federal — and what intelligence agencies might be involved — is not clear."
In the recent tor busts it was revealed that they ran the biggest pedo-site on the internet for several weeks, by leaving it online and inserting tracking ( tracking which would flag several people who just ran exit nodes as guilty)
Think of the children!
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
What took the authoritarian statists so long to come up with the "think of the children" defense?
when all else fails, pull out the pedophile card. some brits just hauled a guy out of his house, killed him and burned his body because he was FALSELY accused of pedophilia and the COPS didn't clear it up fast enough. brits aren't even as bad as Americans on this front. pure hysteria. if anything will galvanize the public, bullsht like this is surely it. frankly, i see it as desperation and think/hope/expect the snowden revelations will help improve democracy. we'll figure out how to deal with the criminals and terrorists without subjecting everyone to the horrors of the Thought Police. Cops always want more power. Always will. Give an inch and they'll ask for light years. No. Just say No.
The spying is not in place for "national security" reasons, but is used systematically for police purposes. So it is clearly out of democratic control and violating constitutional rights of the state's own citizens as opposed to "merely" violating the rights of "foreigners".
Quicly looking at comment section of Telegraph article I see that it propably didn't succeed in indoctrinating anyone. Therefore I'm curious why such a piece of crap has been published at all. Maybe it is not directed to unwashed masses. Maybe it is directed to corporate/bankster/military/intelligence estabullshitment, not ordinary people. Maybe it is some kind of message sent by puppet government and puppet media saying something like: "See, we're (still) loyal. We'll go with you everywhere and we're ready to defend your (dirty) business even to our own detriment. We'll do anything, just give us some convenient, well paid position in your corporations when people throw us out.". I see this as a dangerous precedence. Politicians not afraid of what people think about them will not hesitate to send police or military to beat everyone "to the fuck'n skull" or "disappear" people if ordered so by TPTBs. The same with media: seeing journalists producing such crap without any signs of hesitation I smell crappy soviet-style system of propaganda (which I still remeber as I've spent my childhood in communist Poland).
More likely it's just the Big Lie. Repeat often enough and people will start to believe it (so they hope). Especially when you load it with all sorts of right-minded emotional terms.
After all, you're either with us or you're with the paedophiles.
It worked for Iraq.
This is standard operating procedure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse
They'll be adding the usual "You are either for us or you are for paedophiles!" line soon enough.
This was actually tried in Canada and it blew up in their face:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Children_from_Internet_Predators_Act#Vic_Toews_controversy
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/eceRedirect?articleId=545799
Always the lowest common denominator for any persecution "its for the kids". Next they will suggest HE is a pedo to ruin his image further.
Not that i agree with what he did ( he DID break the law ) but this is sad.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I think there has been a lot of Anonymous hanging around lately, didn't they just have some parade in D.C.?
*Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
how much this reeks of the average smokescreen "how can we possibly paint him as evil since, well, he is not evil for those that we try to influence". Pretty much anyone here has read the same kind of spiel a billion times, and how $technology or $whatever_big_business_hates helps terrorists and pedophiles, from filesharing to 3D printing to whatever else the powers that are don't like because it hurts their profits and/or reduces their power.
The problem is that we're preaching the choir here. It's patently pointless to point it out here. Everyone here knows that it's the usual "paint the good as bad" spiel. Problem is that a lot of the people out there actually believe this bull. They didn't learn that it's bull back when they tried to pull the stunt with some technology that we know and hence know that it's not "evil", and that the claims of its potential use to "bad guys" is skewed, at best, and more likely simply a bunch of baloney.
Because they don't know the technology.
They could not debunk it back then, and to them it was either believing politicians or us. And, well, why believe the geeks? We just wanted to keep our free songs and movies, even if it means that pedos sneak up on every kid and terrorists flood our cities, right?
I just hope that the people wake up before it's too late.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The last refuge of the true fascist: the straw man of child pr0n.
"In this case, pretty much no."
Really? And you know this for a fact do you or are you just spouting the right-on stick-it-to-the-man view?
I wonder.
Well actually I don't, you're just another useful idiot.
First: They argue that because this knowledge/whatever exists it can be used to escape police. But the truth is that there are many things that work against the cops and were we to eliminate them all, then we'd have a police state.
Second: Their statement is deceitful. Pedophilia is a diagnosis and not a crime in itself. There are child molesters who are not pedophiles, just as there are pedophiles who are not child molesters. Arguing, therefore, that this whatever will help pedophiles is like saying that something that would enable rapists to escape police would "enable heterosexuals escape police". It is dishonest and is ultimately what creates the lynch mob mentality.
What I find funny in this story is the "anonymous reader writes".
The story reeks of cold fjord. Keep up the filthy work, shill!
Channeling cold fjord, I see, while being more rude.
You're both wrong, of course, but I found it entertaining enough to mention.
You deserve to be called fascist pig. Simply because you are one.
Is a government ace in the hole, because almost no one dares to appear to defend a person so charged, especially not a politician. The fact that they've invoked it against Snowden suggests that they're desperate to discredit him but not meeting with a lot of success otherwise. Recall that they accused Assange of a sexual offense against adults, but they apparently didn't hate him as badly as they do Snowden.
So I'm not the only one who watches Independence Day and cheer midway through the movie?
I get very disappointed with the end, though.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I just know the documents leaked by Snowden helped Hitler too.
Because now they want to sell your OWN COUNTRY spying on you the same way a USED CAR SALESMAN sells you snow tires / tyres.
Thanks guys
Quite obviously a load of nonsense, designed to scare people into submitting to authoritarian rule.
Yes, of course the government [which was installed by a MINORITY of the electorate] should be allowed to act illegally, and criminally, just to protect us from those scary paedo-monsters. By the same logic, lets just unleash vigilante squads against the paeodos, while we are at it.
Just because they don't impact you in your Mom's basement and other civil libertarian hangouts, doesn't mean that they don't exist.
Snowden and Greenwald should get blamed for every child hurt by bad guys who weren't caught by covert intelligence doing sex trafficking or cp. Every attack by some extremist group who was able to communicate secretively should get blamed on them too.
The media wins by having more exciting stuff to report about. They miss the rating of terrorist attacks and the money that comes with it...
could also help paedophiles escape. So let's close all the roads, shut down the trains, and require everyone to "shelter in place" permanently. After all, someone must think of the children!!!!
Nonaggression works!
seems to have worked just fine for them for decades..
There is an easy way to stop it all. Lock every one in solitary confinement.
sorry for my comments, I'm drunk
We could test everyone on the planet to see if they're aroused by child porn, on a monthly basis, and put them on the sex offenders' list if they are. We could run random house searches for child porn and interrogate any kids in the house to make sure they aren't being sexually abused.
Yet we don't do this. Why, when more kids could be saved?
For the same reason we shouldn't be spying on everyone's communications. It's true that a few lives will be lost in a free society that would have been saved in a panopticon. You have to decide if they're worth it.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Sigh
The quickest. stickiest, hardest to get out from under smear in the book, paedophile.
Just the accusation is enough to ruin people.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Absolutely correct, he should be hanged, drawn, and quartered. As should anyone who's ever sold a paedophile a car, a bottle of water, a loaf of bread, or a digital camera, because they've all been aiding and abetting paedophiles.
Well, we'd better institute martial law if we want to be certain these buggers are caught.
-- Using the preview button since 2005
Not that I like diddlers, but there were some good reasons to separate intelligence and law enforcement agencies.
The Canadian Government tried this angle and it blew up in their faces big time. Really really big time.
Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Children_from_Internet_Predators_Act
The civil disobedience/protest was so large the mail servers of parliament were knocked off line.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
Maybe instead of trying to justify omnipresent and universal surveillance with a largely fictional and overused bogeyman, the UK government should try a bit harder to stop disabled people from being tortured and burned alive after being innocently accused of being perverts.
The blood of Bijan Ebrahimi is on the hands of this scaremongering politician just as much as it is on the scumbags who murdered him.
He's the cause for cancer, world hunger & global warming.
The sad truth is people will believe that crap because it was on TV
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
Ditto.....
Snowden's leaks have made me want to kill puppy dogs, throw children into giant fans, set flags on fire, cut my catalytic converter off my vehicle, and burn apple pies in the oven at an alarming rate.
Oh wait, that's not reality. That's reality as presented by these reality fabrication engineers.
Put cameras and listening devices in the homes, schools and churches. It is usually a close family friend, relative or teacher.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
It could promote transparency in government operations, a restoration of innocent citizens' rights, a new era of personal freedom and a better society as a whole. You didn't think about that did you?
So overblown when "abuse" is now so absurdly generic. Just what isn't "abuse"? Such a great cover for all kinds of surveillance, control and demonization. Hard to imagine what they can use in its place - when/if the public finally wake up to this enormous con.
In the US, they keep pointing out that their program is only about terrorism, and only spies on non-US citizens.
Not so in the UK, where the program is apparently about spying on everybody, including Britons, even if no terrorism is involved. That is a significant admission.
Seems the way to counter this effort to demonize Snowden by the people who are criminally spying on everyone is to keep repeating that Snowden is a Patriot. But I see that this course of action will quickly degenerate into a shouting match. I'm pretty certain I would lose any shouting match to an idiot, so the percentages don't look good here.
"The ferrets, they're every where I tell you!"
Really? And you know this for a fact do you or are you just spouting the right-on stick-it-to-the-man view?
You claimed that it was in fact important. And you know this for a fact do you or are you just spouting the right suck-up-to-authority view?
You accuse me of naivete, but I can equally level the same accusation at you.
You have these people who have amassed power and they claim very much that they need it. You are apparently naive enough to believe that, despite not a shred of evdince.
Well actually I don't, you're just another useful idiot.
Useful to who?
If I'm a useful idiot to whoever you think I'm useful to, then you're a useful idiot to those government types who simply don't consider the privacy rights of their citizens to be of the slightest importance.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
... thanks to GCHQ/NSA blanket culling of personal information/emails?
Yeah. Still a rampant drug, pedo, and terrorist trade out there. Still reacting to surprise attacks. Despite the massive breach of privacy, the return has been minimal. Seriously, ask yourself: if 'they' have their finger so thoroughly on the pulse, why aren't they regularly trumpeting their latest triumph over criminals and terrorists. In fact, a thought occurs: could you convict a paedophile based on the information that GCHQ culled? Is there not some equivalent of a requirement for a warrant? Anyways ...
Why not just go out and randomly jail people, interrogate them thoroughly, and see what you come up with. Likely just as effective.
If the obscene invasion of privacy were effective, one might be inclined to think it worth the huge sums invested. But it simply isn't.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
"The problem is that we're preaching the choir here. It's patently pointless to point it out here. Everyone here knows that it's the usual "paint the good as bad" spiel. Problem is that a lot of the people out there actually believe this bull." - by Opportunist (166417) on Thursday November 07, 2013 @07:48AM (#45355039)
Typical "psy-ops" warfare: Anyone I've EVER spoken to regarding this lunacy DOESN'T WANT or BELIEVE THE "save the children 'spin'" the "powers that be" attempt to put on it! @ all, whatsoever!
(Especially considering the BILLIONS SPENT ON IT FOR SUCH A SHITTY "ROI", catching ONLY 1 'terrorist' for the amount spent? After CLAMING DOZENS FALSELY which even then would be shitty return on investment?? Please, lol!)
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I mean, come on - who the FUCK are they *trying* to fool here???
For Pete's sake, let's just be honest here & call a spade a spade:
This was ALL put into place to gather potential blackmail on others, nothing more!
How can I SAY that? Easy, look @ who is DOING it for Pete's sake:
Everyone KNOWS that's how "politically correct" assholes really work ( & funniest of all, is that THEY are often the ones with the MOST 'dirt' to hide)... this reminds me of when Bill Gates was asked "why don't YOU run for President?" & he basically answered (not a direct quote but close enough):
"I won't take a job where I make less than in the private sector, but more importantly, I won't take one where my decisions are arrived @ via arm-twisting blackmail + forced coercions..."
(That tells you a LOT & from a guy that is literally a force in the world telling you how it REALLY works & why...)
E.G.-> How many times have we seen politicians blackmailed for their "wrongdoings" ala Elliot Spitzer for example in NYState... preaching vs. prostitution & yet being a frequent patron of such "institutions"??
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BOTTOM-LINE:
No, The ONLY ones that do? ARE PART OF THE "SYSTEM" (the problem) BENEFITTING BY IT ALL (hence their "it's ok/it's legal" yea, ok - in some 'secret court' bullshit).
APK
P.S.=> No, this is ALL bullshit & VERY typical "marketer" attacks on your mind, ala "Jump on the Bandwagon" attempts, nothing more!
(I.E.-> IF you can make others "believe" what the "crowd/hivemind" ALLEGEDLY believes (because they keep trying their "spin" to make those that are GOOD exposing this bullshit, bad), they KNOW a lot of "sheeple" that want to be part of the "in-crowd" group will follow suit)
No... too bad it's NOT WORKING this round (& I do mean I've spoken to HUNDREDS of people on this, for example, while I am out to eat, have a drink & relax, @ the grocery store, you-name-it - NOBODY is buying the "spin", nobody... why? NOBODY LIKES BEING SURVEILLED FOR NO GOOD REASON while they piss down our necks & tell us it's raining is why)... apkquote
Linguistic fingerprinting software suggests that cold fjord is a certain right wing Slashdot admin.
One of these claims? Something MAY happen because XXXXX.. Like those people that may escape dont know cops are after them all ready? Seriously what a joke. If their methods are/were so effective then how come there's still pedophiles free? Why aren't they all in jail? Because their methods are not so effective, except spying on all people illegally. People in power will always try to abuse those powers, if not for anything else then secure their own position of power.
Stability=Violent suppression of peaceful dissent.
Mostly deployed by the super-villains of government. Watch for it.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
In other news, government officials announced they have conclusive evidence that the information leaked by Snowden is causing an acceleration in global warming.
Our governments are ran by some of the stupidest fear-mongering bastards that walk the planet. The only people who are worse are those that blindly follow and listen because "they're the government and they must be right". I'm tired of this bullshit. Laws are invented by those who know nothing and have no other way to spend their time than limiting the freedoms of others. "I don't understand what they're doing, so they must be terrorists. We're the government so we have proprietary rights to anything we want- and that includes your attention". Fuck these idiots. Snowden has brought the truth of our world leaders' intentions to light, and for that he is a hero. The only ones in true danger now are those in charge of the countries we live in. The only thing saving them right now is their practiced and refined ability to promote a police state while distracting our thoughts toward the innocent children. The headline "Snowden fucks little boys" gets more attention than "US Gov is listening to your conversations", and only the latter is true. Does no one know libel when it's smacking them in the face? Are WE that fucking stupid?
Slashdot and others function as a pressure valve when our collective stomachs can't handle the swill of hypocrisy ladled daily down our throats. I guess it's better than a Gulag where you eat swill literally and then grumble your dissatisfaction in the cold barracks.
David Barrett could be helping paedophiles escape police. By making it known that Edward Snowden leaks could be helping paedophiles escape police, he is aiding in them by telling them they should read all the Snowden leaks which could help them escape police. That the government is the source for David Barrett means the government could be helping paedophiles escape police.
But, I'm sure the thinking is that if they don't mention a specific leak then they're not actually helping the paedophiles escape police. Of course, by the same token, Snowden isn't pointing out a specific leak either, so he isn't helping the paedophiles escape police. And if they did point out a specific leak, then it could be actually challenged on the point of whether it actually was helping paedophiles escape police--and more than in just the "well, now that people know the GCHQ/NSA are tapping everyone's phones/internet and using it illegal to build cases (as they don't want to divulge the mass surveillance as the source and they couldn't legally use the evidence collected anyways), they might not do that as much".
Honestly, what disgusts me more than anything is just how many reports go "the government has claimed" or "according to senior government sources". At one level, anonymous reporting is a vital part of freedom of the press. On the other hand, situations like this are just propaganda by the government cloaked behind a wall so that people can't be directly called out on their *UTTER BULLSHIT*. Given that the whole situation is cloak and dagger, hidden behind walls, and generally unknowable by the populace with only Snowden leaks or similar as to any clue on what's actually happening from an actual evidence, and not merely hearsay, position, I'm incredibly tempted to say that we should entirely ignore everything the NSA/GCHQ has to say because there's basically no way to verify anything they ever say and clearly their motives are aligned to twist the facts to their own ends.
In short, fuck you David Barrett for being a useful idiot. Fuck any other journalist who serves as the mouthpiece of such UTTER BULLSHIT. Fuck Slashdot for parroting the line instead of rightfully crushing the absurdity of the claim--and I say this knowing that Slashdot is hardly the realm of journalists. This is utterly disgusting.
I hate to take away from a very valid comment, but it occurs to me that "Banana Monarchy" would be a very good name for a band.
I enjoyed 1984 a lot more back when it was fictional.
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
So quick, let's rush out and ban that dangerous stuff! You know, for the children.
There's plenty of propaganda articles making it to Slashdot, but I don't think this is an example of what you're saying it is. The general "Slashdot hive mind" mentality is not friendly towards claims of "oh noes, think of the pornchildren!" being used to suppress information. As a piece of propaganda, this article is guaranteed to backfire (as demonstrated by all the upmodded comments in this thread). No one here is being swayed to the conclusion "Snowden helps pedophiles"; the only message coming across is "Whitehall officials are lying liar scum."
To spot a real propaganda article, look for pieces that harness the "groupthink" to produce a positive reception for some corporate agenda (rather than producing a near-unanimous backlash against the article claims). This article is simply ordinary tabloid clickbait for the Slashdot audience. The propaganda work was the original Telegraph piece linked, aimed at an audience who are terrified of the lurking pedos they've been trained to fear --- those are the people intended to be deceived by the crap coming out of Whitehall.
Oh so sad...in 2013 everyone knows about the tired old governments playbook... except oddly governments don't seem to know we know.
Keep playing that ragged old fear card... we can use a good laugh.
The British government has helped paedophiles escape detection by telling them that the Guardian articles can help them escape detection. The whole government should be rounded up and imprisoned for abetting paedophilia.
You never really know how close to the edge you can go until you fall off.
Can we mark stories as flame bait? Does anyone seriously buy this BS?
Did Vic Toews move to the UK?
Let this be a lesson to everyone. If, like the UK government, you always use the same one every damn time, your bullshit gets so obvious that even the dumbest people will recognize it. Please. Pedophiles again?!
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
No one here is being swayed to the conclusion "Snowden helps pedophiles"; the only message coming across is "Whitehall officials are lying liar scum.",
But Snowden did help pedophiles. He helped everyone. He helped puppy smashers too!
You might as well say that Obama's stimulus plan help pedophiles keep their jobs. It's true, trivially true and a worthless fact.
Since they already are well known to have _ALL_ the information, they need only to threaten the target with an accusation of pedophilia. Even if false, the victim, who most likely has no back-ups, detailed browsing history ("He was using Tor, anonymizers, incognito tabs, etc."), or a presumption of innocence, cannot effectively refute the accusation. You know the drill. The claim is front page news. The retraction is 3 weeks later on page 24, lower right.
Oh wait, they don't have 4th and 5th amendment rights in the UK.
Why not equate him to Hitler while they're at it?
The problem is that only a smaller percentage of people actually click through or bother to read the forums - so slashdots frontpage is effectively used for peddling crude propaganda such as this example to the majority that use syndicated/google news summaries and/or do not read any "balancing" upmodded comments. The echo chamber effect of the same message coming in from many perceived "credible" news sources makes the statements true in the minds of many. It would be much less suspicious if the actual slashdot news item was not basically a direct quote/stated as a fact. Add to this the fact that /. editors have repeatedly posted propaganda as crude as this in short sustained bouts over a few days (like a marketing campaign) plus throw in the enormous interest companies like Stratfor have expressed in internal communications to increase their influence over the public discourse - and it is hard not to start raising questions about Slashdot editor integrity... reddit was marketing itself as a supposed bastion of independence - until recently.
Vic toews tried the if your not with internet spying your with the pedobears bullshit and hes not in govt anymore
and 500K people rose up in 4 days to sign a petition with no sign that would have been less govt intervened and gutted the bill
NO if your with the SPIES your are aiding PEEING TOMS PEEK IN YOUR KIDS ROOMS
this is your moment america show us you care about your rights....if i dont see 4.5 million rise up and get angry over this comment i know your all fucktards not worthy of any respect
They're really clutching at straws now...
They might as well make up stuff like: "EDWARD SNOWDEN LEAKS MAY HELP ALIENS INVADE EARTH"
Could be true (also, propaganda firms sometimes miss the mark). I have no way to gauge the mentality of Slashdot's larger "non-commenting" readership; would they see a piece like this and feel negatively towards Snowden, or have the same type of reaction (backlash against pedoterrorthinkofthechildren appeals) as the commenting readership? I can't tell. The post certainly is lacking any editorial integrity, slapped up to get advertizing page views (which, thanks to adblock/etc, the internet I use is entirely free from...). Is there any question to be raised about Slashdot editor integrity? I figured it was common knowledge that they have none.
I recall more clear (or, unclear if you're not looking for it) propaganda posts in the past surrounding Wikileaks/Assange; not the most "extreme" articles straight from the crudest government mouthpieces, but in the more "moderate" assessments tuned to spread subtler FUD without immediately setting off every BS alarm.
It's not actually a crime to be a pedophile, but it's a crime to molest children* and have images of real children being abused, but simply having a sexual attraction to children is not a crime. Otherwise, it would be a crime to be a misanthrope of a sociopath.
I'm personally a lolicon and a nijikon ('cause anime girls are so much more attractive than real women), and a good majority of lolicons (myself included) find real child abuse abhorant. (And quite rightly so.)
*the British _really_ needs to learn the difference between the two; it would be like saying a unicycle and an ocean oil supertanker are the same thing
"You claimed that it was in fact important. And you know this for a fact do you or are you just spouting the right suck-up-to-authority view?"
No, I don't know it for a fact , other than the documents were classified. Thats a pretty bloody big clue to anyone with a working braincell. Which seems to rule you out.
"Useful to who?"
To "whom". And I suggest you google the reference.
It's useful to know that the anti-Snowden hysteria has reached this level. We've moved past the "traitor" and "terrorist" rhetoric and moved on to more serious "pedophile" rhetoric.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Why should anybody believe a quote about the damage that the Snowden leaks may cause when they are attributed to an "anonymous reader?" It would seem that just about anybody wanting to discredit Snowden or any government's propaganda machine could say whatever they wanted anonymously.
If somebody is really in the know in the UK about the damage Snowden's leaks have caused or may cause related to child porn and terrorists, then they should say so on the record. Otherwise, this is a credible as big foot sightings.
Won't someone think of the pedophiles? I'm not really sure how pedophiles operate, but why is it when a government doesn't get their way on policy, they bring out these bogeyman for everything from copyright law to crop irrigation?
You cant break the law to enforce the law.... Assholes....
So, what? The whole "terrorist" angle wasn't working? This sounds like they needed to up the ante.
Oh, you want your rights? You must be a terrorist *and* a pedophile unfit for life among those that gave up their rights willingly. Please report to the nearest government-sponsored brainwashing facility.
And yet, the demonize Snowden rhetoric made it pas Slashdot editors to make front page. How many times is that now even just in the last few days?
There have been many occasions in which Slashdot has had multiple stories regarding the NSA and/or Snowden on it within 24 hours. There should be little surprise over that since he made off with more than 60,000 documents on just the UK alone. That is going to make for a lot of revelations on many subjects.
You also seem to be complaining that Slashdot doesn't post only positive stories about Snowden, the Guardian, and the leaks - in other words, positive propaganda. The world is more complex than that. Even if you think the leaks are a good thing a reasonable person can acknowledge that there at least might be trade offs involved in a massive security breach such as that. But the fact is that it isn't simply a theoretical question, there is harm being done by the leaks whether you agree or not. Multiple heads of state, legislators or MPs, ministerial level officials, and heads of agencies have all stated that. Your denials of that have no affect on reality.
You should also understand that the sort of damage being done is unlikely to manifest itself immediately. It will take time for the affects to become apparent. When they do, it will be far too late to change your mind, you'll be stuck with it. It might be for years, or it might be practically forever. There is no "take back" on this even though you may come to wish there was.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Now that they are learning that the "anti-patriotic" bit isn't working, we are now going to a new low to try and make him look evil. Let's go ahead and complete this line of arguments ...
Edward Snowden is helping with the rise of Anti-Semitism and Nazism, because those groups now know more about surveillance. In fact, the next Hitler could be at this moment plotting world domination.
Edward Snowden is bringing the coming apocalypse more quickly, because the evil that will bring it about can now flourish more easily than before as they are now harder to catch.
Edward Snowden is not only helping pedophiles, but cannibals. More people will be eaten by their neighbors now as a result of his leaks.
Edward Snowden must also hate puppies and kittens, because the sickos who prey on them as well will now be able to spread their evil more easily.
Edward Snowden must therefore be the anti-christ. I honestly can't believe it has taken so long for it to be apparent.
and fly to the moon, too. But it is extremely unlikely.
For the informatyion Snowdon has released to aid paedophiles and terrorists takes such a leap of imagination as to be nearly impossible. In the real world, I mean.
In the imaginary world the police live in, well, maybe it is possible that Mr. Snowden could be flying to the Moon regularly, propelled, no doubt, by royal fairy dust he stole from the Queen. Maybe Mr Snowdon is the lost Dauphin, too.
Once you put a conditional adjective or adverb in a sentence, it instantly becomes incontrovertable, not deniable, impossible to refute, maybe. Possibly. I bet it's possible that the Loch Ness Monster is running the whole conspiracy!
What are the odds, you think?
The average UK citizen does not believe a word the politicains say, and is far to busy looking at page 3 to give a shit.
I thought that's what these rags were *for* -- something to look at while on the shitter.
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
of Shakespeare.
You can't even spell fnord right
The Business insider link fires back a page that either requires JS (which I did not enable), or requires agreement to a terms-of-service and privacy policy (which I did not submit to, to read a fricking article).
The "thetechherald" article returns "page not found".
Are there alternative sources for your information? Archive links you could provide?
If the children don't know about it, they won't be violated!
The only thing that has changed is the fact that Cold Fjord is now submitting anonymously. He has been outed and gets trashed in all of his submissions because it is obvious he is a paid astro-turfer.
I am pleased to see that he gets the same reaction even when posting anonymously--it's not the messenger that is getting whacked, but rather the propaganda he delivers (well, at least in this case).
I find this encouraging.
"... those are the people intended to be deceived by the crap coming out of Whitehall."
Oh, you mean my family. I've already explained this to them, so they know it's all bullshit too.
The most effective tool you have is your mouth--use it.
WTF? Since when is there a 30 second timer to decide whether or not to post/continue editing an anonymous post? The "submit" button now has a countdown before it submits anyway! That is going to force a lot of anonymous posters to inadvertantly post ill-edited posts, making them look like idiots. The manipulation is getting pretty thick these days at Slashdot.
Edit: Timer only present the first time you preview an anonymous post.
It was a troll article. The Telegraph has no skin in this particular game, they wouldn't have left comments open if they did. It's just click bait for ad impressions.
See: http://www.theonion.com/articles/let-me-explain-why-miley-cyrus-vma-performance-was,33632/
...than we are. Makes me wonder about them sometimes.
Nonsense as normal
Let's review the "revelations", from the GGGP :
"Save the children"? Check.
"Terrorism"? Check.
"For your own good"? Check
If you can't smell the heavy miasma of bullshit wafting off this, you need a new fucking nose.
...looks like deriding the "Think of the childrens!" schtick has been done to death already, so I'll just mumble something about security through obscurity and shuffle off again.
You post has next to nothing to do with mine.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
No, I don't know it for a fact , other than the documents were classified. Thats a pretty bloody big clue to anyone with a working braincell. Which seems to rule you out.
Classified so it must be important, eh? My god you are naive.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Oh grow up. Intelligence agencies don't waste time classifying and guarding material thats just a list of who your mother shags at the weekend.
they arrested some queenie journalist and his bum chum
This mature piece of analysis makes your argument particularly impressive and convincing.