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Edward Snowden Leaks Could Help Paedophiles Escape Police, Says UK Government
An anonymous reader writes "Paedophiles may escape detection because highly-classified material about Britain's surveillance capabilities have been published by the Guardian newspaper, the UK government has claimed. A senior Whitehall official said data stolen by Edward Snowden, a former contractor to the US National Security Agency, could be exploited by child abusers and other cyber criminals. It could also put lives at risk by disclosing secrets to terrorists, insurgents and hostile foreign governments, he said."
Those demagogical assholes are the worst terrorists of all.
Is there anything that they won't use the 'think of the children' line on?
Pathetic.
Sent from my PDP-11
Now we know they're desperate, hate the population, and have entirely run out of arguments.
Time to recall this government. Failing that, maybe just kick them some more while they're down. It's what they'd do to us, after all.
Give it a couple of weeks and Snowden will be labeled a pederast and it will play over and over in the news until it is true.
The old, "Associate your target with helping pedophiles" approach.
You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
There is a lot of hype here.
Yet another "think of the children" excuse to be dicks.
Table-ized A.I.
The secret police state is at risk!
If they are dumb enough to not know that the government was spying on them and looking for them. *government staggering - Must....catch...paedophiles...at...all costs (gasp)*
Society use your Sciences
The "think of the children!" canard. I was expecting you sooner [casually takes a pull from an oversized brandy snifter].
Yeah, and sale and possession of firearms enables rapist to threaten and rape children! Yet we don't seem to imply the same logic there. How strange.
Child rape is becoming the new Godwin. Before we know it Glenn Beck will be using it every other sentence as well.
If an experiment works, something has gone wrong.
Dear all gouvernements around the world, you were caught the hand in the cookie jar. You are lucky to be free after that. Now just shut the fuck up.
Now here we have another fine example of the Godwin argument of computer security.
If you don't let us snoop on you, children get fucked. I mean, literally, fucked, by pedophiles. Yes, that is your only choice a stalker or pedophile. Pick one.
If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
We've heard from David Cameron that Snowden's leak "damaged national security."
Cameron made veiled threats suggesting he could take the media to court over publishing the leaks.
Government enforcers employed heavy-handed tactics to intercept, detain and threaten those even tangentially connected to the leaks.
Many were forced to destroy technical equipment in a quixotic quest to purge the unpurgeable.
Now, all of that failed. Predictably, this is the kind of horse shit they've resorted to slinging.
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. --Will
Torygraph, almost as bad as Daily Scary Mail.
Next headline: Snowden was a necrophiliac and wanted to dig up your grandma's grave!
If they ACTUALLY wanted to help kids they'd apply some actual knowledge gathered from study in this area and develop strategies to minimise occurrence, but it's SUCH a successful rhetorical boogieman/distraction...
Let's see.
"Save the children"? Check.
"Terrorism"? Check.
"For your own good"? Check
If you can't smell the heavy miasma of bullshit wafting off this, you need a new fucking nose.
Yes, the publicizing of the NSA and GCHQ's surveillance capabilities COULD in theory help paedophiles avoid detection... but I suspect that most paedophiles are not so technically savvy that the details will be important to them. For the majority of them, just as for the majority of the general population, the message they will take away is that "Big Brother Is Watching You", and if they do not assume that from the very start, then they are very naive.
The other side of the coin would be an interesting one - perhaps a Freedom Of Information request to GCHQ, to ask how many man-hours as a percentage of their total work is spent tracking and investigating paedophiles. I would wager a lot of money that, if they were to give an honest answer to that, it would be 0. GCHQ are not, and never will be, interested in tracking paedophiles.
In fact, no running without a permit!
You want to apply for a permit for running shoes? You are obviously going to need to submit for a background check, potential criminal!
This just in: Pedophiles often wear shoes. Everyone should go barefoot or be under suspicion of having something in common with one of them...
You sir! Do you have a permit for those genitalia? Oh you didn't know that was a requirement now? Not our problem. We're going to have to confiscate your testicles now.
In defense of the government's statements they've held out an extraordinarily long time before invoking children in this debate.
It's an interesting twist: instead of claiming spying is essential for the nation's foreign intelligence capabilities and security when faced with nation state adversaries, they are now claiming spying is needed to combat internal, run-of-the mill criminals. So they are basically admitting they are building a surveillance state where every possible law that the leaders imagine can also be enforced.
If we are to configure our society so that every sicko that enjoys child molestation videos in the privacy of his home is immediately apprehended, then it seems to me any type of dissent of conspiracy against the government becomes impossible. Good luck explaining to the public that's a bad compromise.
We need to break the law and spy on law abiding citizens FOR THE CHILDREN and to STOP TERRORISTS.
They're going for broke.
-- Will program for bandwidth
How about coming up with a way to catch criminals that doesn't involve preemptively spying on everyone?
Paedophiles may escape detection because highly-classified material about Britain's surveillance capabilities have been published by the Guardian newspaper
As if another newspaper published it, it wouldn't have been a problem. This is what it looks like when old rich children throw temper tantrums.
Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
Except I don't actually think most are buying this now. 6 months a year ago, yes, now. Not so much.
The FUD is strong in these ones...
Faith in humanity restored.
I thought the snowden leaks about spying were in relation to Terrorism.
They're using them to track paedophiles now?
That's funny, how do paedophiles affect "national security"?
First, they said he was a traitor.
Then, they accused him of stealing.
Followed closely with the accusation that he has been a Soviet spy.
Now ?
Edward Snowden, according to them, is aiding pedophile and all other sexual perverts, especially those "exploiting innocent children", to evade surveillance by the "GOOD GUYS", namely, the spooks/cops/big brothers.
In other words, Edward Snowden, to some, is a de-human-izer.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
They mean it prevents protecting perverts
https://www.google.com/search?q=jimmy+savile
For confirming that nothing Snowden has leaked did actually endanger anyone.
Because if it had, we'd be hearing about that 24/7.
I was going to argue that the UK is a Banana Republic but it just occurred to me that they are a Banana Monarchy.
You don't get to spy citizens in there home RE: I thought you didn't have anything to hide......
... so we better get some pollution going.
Quite pathetic that they would look for such an excuse to carry on with their intrusive and malicious spying. I thought they were looking for terrorists only, have the goal posts moved? What are they not telling us? Is it about making money on the stockmarket by using information stolen from the emails exchanged between companies?
To me, the NSA and GCHQ are the real creepy perverts for eavesdropping and storing my life on their servers as if I have no rights to privacy. I wonder how many paedos they have caught using their spying en masse?
(Copied from a Techdirt comment):
I wonder if the CIA distributes pedo material the same way they get Swiss bankers to drink-drive?
Imagine you are a UK minister. Like most men you look at porn because you're biologically programmed to like pictures of woman doing stuff. Like most ministers you pretend porn is vial and evil, because that's how you get elected.
CIA wants to turn you into an apparatchik, so they do their 'redirect' attack, the one they use to MITM Google in one of the leaks. CIA redirects them to a kiddy porn server in Orlando, now the logs of both GCHQ and NSA show them visiting a kiddy diddling site.
CIA man visits minister and explains the shock and outrage at finding this, but assures minister that he's a good man and therefore the CIA won't tell.
Minister can't go to MI5 because Parker could be a CIA apparatchik (he is doing an attack on the free press FFS). Indeed he can't get help at all, because all it takes is ONE apparatchik among the people in the know and he is gone.
It may sound fanciful, but the mechanisms are already in place. Also read a few leaks. The plan to attack Greenwald & Wikileaks.
http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Data-intelligence-firms-proposed-a-systematic-attack -against-WikiLeaks/12751/
The leverage they got over a Swiss Banker:
http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-describes-cia-tricks-2013-6
The weird way ministers are behaving.
If you can't smell the heavy miasma of bullshit wafting off this, you need a new fucking nose.
And yet, the demonize Snowden rhetoric made it pas Slashdot editors to make front page. How many times is that now even just in the last few days?
Wikileaks has shown us that Reddit cofounder Alexis Ohanian was attempting to abuse his position, sell out and leverage reddit users by working for Stratfor. They turned him down apparently due to already having the area covered. Could we now be witnessing Slashdots Ohanian moment, now directed they peddle pathetic anti-Snowden properganda to the front page?
mod points of +1 insightful if I had them!
How about regulating both water and clean air.
You know. For profi^Wthe children.
I would love to hear that a judge, upon hearing this kind of bullshit, threw his gavel at the apparatchik's head and knocked him out cold. If that happened, my respect for the courts in the UK would increase infinitely.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
This reeks of desperation. Whitehall must really be on the backfoot.
May the Maths Be with you!
Up next: Edward Snowden thinks baseball is slow and boring and he hates his moms apple pie!
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
as it implies a few things for starters.
1. Britain, having exhausted all other methods of corrective action against pedophilia and child exploitation that may prove fruitful given its nature in the UK, now relies on a clandestine american spy program that hasnt been proven to catch a single pedophile, let alone terrorist.
2. the spy program, although decried throughout europe and asia as invasive and inappropriate, is however of such great importance to the efforts of the UK to fighting crime as to be above critique. Nay, it is above even mentioning the very programs or policies in place.
3. That edwards revalations may prove fruitful to hostile governments neglects to inform the reader that the information disclosed is related to a government that practices rendition, harbored a network of secret prisons, exercises indefinite detention against foreign and domestic nationals, and practices torture. the hostile government in question also operates the largest prison population in the world.
4. that so far your only response to the snowden revelations has been to harass and intimidate your own journalists into silence has exposed the ineptitude and desparation with which you seek to just make the whole thing go away. That somehow you think this condescending appeal to the humanity of the UK through your 'think of the children' rhetoric is even plausibly considered valid is laughable. Glen Greenwald is evidence enough you couldnt care less.
as an american citizen i can only implore europe: please, stop us. this has gone on far enough, far beyond spy vs spy and into america spying on every foreign citizen of any foreign government it chooses under the guise of some malevolent executive privilege we awarded ourselves after jihadists bombed a financial center. we have, as we continue to do today, exercised rendition and torture based on the information we collect using these programs.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Also, every time you write an article based on Snowden leaks, god kills a kitten.
So you think leaking confidential documents *doesn't* damage security in some way? Have you just landed from Planet Naive?
In this case, pretty much no.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
I could think of the children. And you may go have vigorous intercourse with yourself.
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
There's no other way to say it - "won't somebody THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is the "Godwin's Law" of todays generation.
Extra points if you recognize the irony in screaming "think of the children" (ie the problem is that someone was THINKING OF CHILDREN far too much already).
Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
Pursuing pedophiles is the new Inquisition, it is the last bastion of the bureaucratic tyrant.
No right of law is as sacred, and no punishment is too severe for those accused.
and whats with this "anonymous reader" submitter? The article reeked so badly nobody wanted to take credit (blame) for posting it?
Let's nuke it all from the orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Sorry for the overused quote, but it just had to be here.
Absence of proof != proof of absence.
'Nuff said.
...who in no way, shape or form was affected by the Snowden leaks.The only thing he has in common is that he was a practicing pedophile and child molestor.
Your point being?
20 minutes into the future
Quicly looking at comment section of Telegraph article I see that it propably didn't succeed in indoctrinating anyone. Therefore I'm curious why such a piece of crap has been published at all. Maybe it is not directed to unwashed masses. Maybe it is directed to corporate/bankster/military/intelligence estabullshitment, not ordinary people. Maybe it is some kind of message sent by puppet government and puppet media saying something like: "See, we're (still) loyal. We'll go with you everywhere and we're ready to defend your (dirty) business even to our own detriment. We'll do anything, just give us some convenient, well paid position in your corporations when people throw us out.". I see this as a dangerous precedence. Politicians not afraid of what people think about them will not hesitate to send police or military to beat everyone "to the fuck'n skull" or "disappear" people if ordered so by TPTBs. The same with media: seeing journalists producing such crap without any signs of hesitation I smell crappy soviet-style system of propaganda (which I still remeber as I've spent my childhood in communist Poland).
So you think leaking confidential documents *doesn't* damage security in some way? Have you just landed from Planet Naive?
In this case, pretty much no.
In this case, pretty much yes.
It is a severe threat to the job security and budget of those parasites who lost a sense of proportion of what is acceptable and those who were supposed to oversee them.
National security is still exposed to the usual threat by those who are supposed to run the country for the benefit of all. Which justifies a permanent orange threat level. If the current bunch were vikings, Alfred the Great would rise from the grave and drive them back into the sea. Although that might not be possible due to the current international treaties concerning pollution of the North Sea.
20 minutes into the future
that it will also make people kill kittens, kick puppies and generally abuse cute critters.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
"Snowden was a bankster ! He funnelled billions and billions to offshore accounts with his NSA know-how, he's responsible for the housing bubble and crash !"
SEX Crime! sex CRIME!
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Prime is the warning to all intelligence services. Don't trust other services and run your spies locally.
1) Look after your staff, pay them well.
2) Good conditions for your smart staff.
3) Make sure you run your spies with your best local staff (KGB First Directorate in UK vs distant Third Directorate ).
Prime worked up from the London Processing Group (~MI6) finally getting a good overview of UK translation methods.
He then moved onto compartmentalised Soviet work, with better document access and the very free use of a photocopier.
Translation work was then followed by supervising translation and then onto further real analysis work.
Vetting failed due to bad questions to a referees. His work finally saw him cleared to work on material via US satellites e.g. tracking Soviet missile tests.
The US was also all over global VHF, UHF and microwave telephone traffic. The raw data dump the US got was so vast it had to be shared with the UK just to keep up.
The other aspect was US tracking of Soviet strategic submarines i.e. SOSUS, aircraft and finally project Sambo. Soviet low-frequency radio transmissions where not that secure. NSA listening stations globally got the positions via a network of ~29 listening stations.
A lot of questions about other staff, the blackmail of staff under him or finding unhappy staff (low pay).
Very strange staff issues also presented at the end of this event.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
"We've heard from David Cameron that Snowden's leak "damaged national security.""
So you think leaking confidential documents *doesn't* damage security in some way? Have you just landed from Planet Naive?
So you think leaking confidential documents *will alway* damage security in some way? Have you just landed from Planet Gulliable?
You fucking halfwit. Bleaters like you will be the first to shout and clamp your little feet when another innocent person is shot on the tube due to "intelligence" incompetencies. You don't deserve the freedom other people have fought for.
Clicked the wrong entry while moderating, so posting this to undo it - please ignore.
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
What took the authoritarian statists so long to come up with the "think of the children" defense?
I wonder how all this Internet surveillance will help against, you know, pedophiles that actually hurt children in real life? Those that apparently form the vast majority that is not visible on the Internet?
But maybe that is as with the terrorists: Create a totalitarian police and surveillance state to catch the 1% of terrorists that are dumb enough to use the Internet for communication.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
You mean there is more than one "Anonymous Coward"???? WTF?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Quicly looking at comment section of Telegraph article I see that it propably didn't succeed in indoctrinating anyone. Therefore I'm curious why such a piece of crap has been published at all. Maybe it is not directed to unwashed masses. Maybe it is directed to corporate/bankster/military/intelligence estabullshitment, not ordinary people. Maybe it is some kind of message sent by puppet government and puppet media saying something like: "See, we're (still) loyal. We'll go with you everywhere and we're ready to defend your (dirty) business even to our own detriment. We'll do anything, just give us some convenient, well paid position in your corporations when people throw us out.". I see this as a dangerous precedence. Politicians not afraid of what people think about them will not hesitate to send police or military to beat everyone "to the fuck'n skull" or "disappear" people if ordered so by TPTBs. The same with media: seeing journalists producing such crap without any signs of hesitation I smell crappy soviet-style system of propaganda (which I still remeber as I've spent my childhood in communist Poland).
More likely it's just the Big Lie. Repeat often enough and people will start to believe it (so they hope). Especially when you load it with all sorts of right-minded emotional terms.
After all, you're either with us or you're with the paedophiles.
It worked for Iraq.
Well, if terrorism is any indication, their success rate at catching them is 0%. Or do you see any terrorists being charged with preparing terrorist acts other than those actually created by law enforcement? I do not. I would say there is now pretty strong indication that they are not actually looking for terrorists (or child molesters) in the first place. After all, any real success there would reduce the justification for doing the surveillance in the first place...
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Oh, yes. The pictures shown by the BBC were so obviously fake that I suspect they "caught" exactly zero pedos and rather have been mocked mercilessly by about 10'000 people that suspected there was a fat ugly old guy behind the graphics.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Always the lowest common denominator for any persecution "its for the kids". Next they will suggest HE is a pedo to ruin his image further.
Not that i agree with what he did ( he DID break the law ) but this is sad.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I think there has been a lot of Anonymous hanging around lately, didn't they just have some parade in D.C.?
*Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
how much this reeks of the average smokescreen "how can we possibly paint him as evil since, well, he is not evil for those that we try to influence". Pretty much anyone here has read the same kind of spiel a billion times, and how $technology or $whatever_big_business_hates helps terrorists and pedophiles, from filesharing to 3D printing to whatever else the powers that are don't like because it hurts their profits and/or reduces their power.
The problem is that we're preaching the choir here. It's patently pointless to point it out here. Everyone here knows that it's the usual "paint the good as bad" spiel. Problem is that a lot of the people out there actually believe this bull. They didn't learn that it's bull back when they tried to pull the stunt with some technology that we know and hence know that it's not "evil", and that the claims of its potential use to "bad guys" is skewed, at best, and more likely simply a bunch of baloney.
Because they don't know the technology.
They could not debunk it back then, and to them it was either believing politicians or us. And, well, why believe the geeks? We just wanted to keep our free songs and movies, even if it means that pedos sneak up on every kid and terrorists flood our cities, right?
I just hope that the people wake up before it's too late.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The last refuge of the true fascist: the straw man of child pr0n.
First: They argue that because this knowledge/whatever exists it can be used to escape police. But the truth is that there are many things that work against the cops and were we to eliminate them all, then we'd have a police state.
Second: Their statement is deceitful. Pedophilia is a diagnosis and not a crime in itself. There are child molesters who are not pedophiles, just as there are pedophiles who are not child molesters. Arguing, therefore, that this whatever will help pedophiles is like saying that something that would enable rapists to escape police would "enable heterosexuals escape police". It is dishonest and is ultimately what creates the lynch mob mentality.
Hell, it's gotten to the stage where even pedos seem like decent and honest blokes compared to the NSA.
And for good reason. I'm way outside the scope of any pedo's interest. No such luck with the NSA, though.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Reporting a pedo crime? Are you NUTS? The first question that gets asked is how you could possibly know about it? How did you know that that girl gets molested? You had some pics of her? Let's take a look at your computers...
No, thank you. As stated below, the chance that a pedo does anything evil to me is zero. I'm just way too old for him to be of any interest to him. It's very different with the government and its zeal for power. So take a wild guess what side I'd rather be on. Simply out of pure, egoistical self interest.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Yes. If you think of the children all the time, you're most likely a pedo.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Hell, go to the source. The availability of CHILDREN helps pedophiles. So outlaw kids, please!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So I'm not the only one who watches Independence Day and cheer midway through the movie?
I get very disappointed with the end, though.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The success rate? Umm... the success rate is ... confidential. For ... security reasons. To keep your kids safe. And else the terrorists win.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Don't worry. There's enough misinformation mixed in that the information you can possibly get out of it is totally worthless.
Another fine example of how information can be useless if enough false information is mixed in.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I do. And it's none of your business what it is.
Wanna know? Get a warrant. Else, get lost!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Because now they want to sell your OWN COUNTRY spying on you the same way a USED CAR SALESMAN sells you snow tires / tyres.
Thanks guys
Well, they're living in their basements already, and judging from how some pedos store their toys...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Just because they don't impact you in your Mom's basement and other civil libertarian hangouts, doesn't mean that they don't exist.
Snowden and Greenwald should get blamed for every child hurt by bad guys who weren't caught by covert intelligence doing sex trafficking or cp. Every attack by some extremist group who was able to communicate secretively should get blamed on them too.
The media wins by having more exciting stuff to report about. They miss the rating of terrorist attacks and the money that comes with it...
could also help paedophiles escape. So let's close all the roads, shut down the trains, and require everyone to "shelter in place" permanently. After all, someone must think of the children!!!!
Nonaggression works!
seems to have worked just fine for them for decades..
There is an easy way to stop it all. Lock every one in solitary confinement.
sorry for my comments, I'm drunk
We could test everyone on the planet to see if they're aroused by child porn, on a monthly basis, and put them on the sex offenders' list if they are. We could run random house searches for child porn and interrogate any kids in the house to make sure they aren't being sexually abused.
Yet we don't do this. Why, when more kids could be saved?
For the same reason we shouldn't be spying on everyone's communications. It's true that a few lives will be lost in a free society that would have been saved in a panopticon. You have to decide if they're worth it.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
The quickest. stickiest, hardest to get out from under smear in the book, paedophile.
Just the accusation is enough to ruin people.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Absolutely correct, he should be hanged, drawn, and quartered. As should anyone who's ever sold a paedophile a car, a bottle of water, a loaf of bread, or a digital camera, because they've all been aiding and abetting paedophiles.
Well, we'd better institute martial law if we want to be certain these buggers are caught.
-- Using the preview button since 2005
Not that I like diddlers, but there were some good reasons to separate intelligence and law enforcement agencies.
The Canadian Government tried this angle and it blew up in their faces big time. Really really big time.
Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Children_from_Internet_Predators_Act
The civil disobedience/protest was so large the mail servers of parliament were knocked off line.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
He's the cause for cancer, world hunger & global warming.
The sad truth is people will believe that crap because it was on TV
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
Snowden's leaks have made me want to kill puppy dogs, throw children into giant fans, set flags on fire, cut my catalytic converter off my vehicle, and burn apple pies in the oven at an alarming rate.
Oh wait, that's not reality. That's reality as presented by these reality fabrication engineers.
Put cameras and listening devices in the homes, schools and churches. It is usually a close family friend, relative or teacher.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
In the US, they keep pointing out that their program is only about terrorism, and only spies on non-US citizens.
Not so in the UK, where the program is apparently about spying on everybody, including Britons, even if no terrorism is involved. That is a significant admission.
Seems the way to counter this effort to demonize Snowden by the people who are criminally spying on everyone is to keep repeating that Snowden is a Patriot. But I see that this course of action will quickly degenerate into a shouting match. I'm pretty certain I would lose any shouting match to an idiot, so the percentages don't look good here.
"The ferrets, they're every where I tell you!"
Really? And you know this for a fact do you or are you just spouting the right-on stick-it-to-the-man view?
You claimed that it was in fact important. And you know this for a fact do you or are you just spouting the right suck-up-to-authority view?
You accuse me of naivete, but I can equally level the same accusation at you.
You have these people who have amassed power and they claim very much that they need it. You are apparently naive enough to believe that, despite not a shred of evdince.
Well actually I don't, you're just another useful idiot.
Useful to who?
If I'm a useful idiot to whoever you think I'm useful to, then you're a useful idiot to those government types who simply don't consider the privacy rights of their citizens to be of the slightest importance.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
... thanks to GCHQ/NSA blanket culling of personal information/emails?
Yeah. Still a rampant drug, pedo, and terrorist trade out there. Still reacting to surprise attacks. Despite the massive breach of privacy, the return has been minimal. Seriously, ask yourself: if 'they' have their finger so thoroughly on the pulse, why aren't they regularly trumpeting their latest triumph over criminals and terrorists. In fact, a thought occurs: could you convict a paedophile based on the information that GCHQ culled? Is there not some equivalent of a requirement for a warrant? Anyways ...
Why not just go out and randomly jail people, interrogate them thoroughly, and see what you come up with. Likely just as effective.
If the obscene invasion of privacy were effective, one might be inclined to think it worth the huge sums invested. But it simply isn't.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
One of these claims? Something MAY happen because XXXXX.. Like those people that may escape dont know cops are after them all ready? Seriously what a joke. If their methods are/were so effective then how come there's still pedophiles free? Why aren't they all in jail? Because their methods are not so effective, except spying on all people illegally. People in power will always try to abuse those powers, if not for anything else then secure their own position of power.
Stability=Violent suppression of peaceful dissent.
Mostly deployed by the super-villains of government. Watch for it.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
In other news, government officials announced they have conclusive evidence that the information leaked by Snowden is causing an acceleration in global warming.
Our governments are ran by some of the stupidest fear-mongering bastards that walk the planet. The only people who are worse are those that blindly follow and listen because "they're the government and they must be right". I'm tired of this bullshit. Laws are invented by those who know nothing and have no other way to spend their time than limiting the freedoms of others. "I don't understand what they're doing, so they must be terrorists. We're the government so we have proprietary rights to anything we want- and that includes your attention". Fuck these idiots. Snowden has brought the truth of our world leaders' intentions to light, and for that he is a hero. The only ones in true danger now are those in charge of the countries we live in. The only thing saving them right now is their practiced and refined ability to promote a police state while distracting our thoughts toward the innocent children. The headline "Snowden fucks little boys" gets more attention than "US Gov is listening to your conversations", and only the latter is true. Does no one know libel when it's smacking them in the face? Are WE that fucking stupid?
I enjoyed 1984 a lot more back when it was fictional.
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
There's plenty of propaganda articles making it to Slashdot, but I don't think this is an example of what you're saying it is. The general "Slashdot hive mind" mentality is not friendly towards claims of "oh noes, think of the pornchildren!" being used to suppress information. As a piece of propaganda, this article is guaranteed to backfire (as demonstrated by all the upmodded comments in this thread). No one here is being swayed to the conclusion "Snowden helps pedophiles"; the only message coming across is "Whitehall officials are lying liar scum."
To spot a real propaganda article, look for pieces that harness the "groupthink" to produce a positive reception for some corporate agenda (rather than producing a near-unanimous backlash against the article claims). This article is simply ordinary tabloid clickbait for the Slashdot audience. The propaganda work was the original Telegraph piece linked, aimed at an audience who are terrified of the lurking pedos they've been trained to fear --- those are the people intended to be deceived by the crap coming out of Whitehall.
The British government has helped paedophiles escape detection by telling them that the Guardian articles can help them escape detection. The whole government should be rounded up and imprisoned for abetting paedophilia.
You never really know how close to the edge you can go until you fall off.
Let this be a lesson to everyone. If, like the UK government, you always use the same one every damn time, your bullshit gets so obvious that even the dumbest people will recognize it. Please. Pedophiles again?!
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Or I just don't care for partisan politics anymore. If I wanted to berate, I would have.
Careful with names containing L slashdot.org/~AiphaWolf_HK slashdot.org/~AlphaWoif_HK slashdot.org/~AiphaWoif_HK
The problem is that only a smaller percentage of people actually click through or bother to read the forums - so slashdots frontpage is effectively used for peddling crude propaganda such as this example to the majority that use syndicated/google news summaries and/or do not read any "balancing" upmodded comments. The echo chamber effect of the same message coming in from many perceived "credible" news sources makes the statements true in the minds of many. It would be much less suspicious if the actual slashdot news item was not basically a direct quote/stated as a fact. Add to this the fact that /. editors have repeatedly posted propaganda as crude as this in short sustained bouts over a few days (like a marketing campaign) plus throw in the enormous interest companies like Stratfor have expressed in internal communications to increase their influence over the public discourse - and it is hard not to start raising questions about Slashdot editor integrity... reddit was marketing itself as a supposed bastion of independence - until recently.
Could be true (also, propaganda firms sometimes miss the mark). I have no way to gauge the mentality of Slashdot's larger "non-commenting" readership; would they see a piece like this and feel negatively towards Snowden, or have the same type of reaction (backlash against pedoterrorthinkofthechildren appeals) as the commenting readership? I can't tell. The post certainly is lacking any editorial integrity, slapped up to get advertizing page views (which, thanks to adblock/etc, the internet I use is entirely free from...). Is there any question to be raised about Slashdot editor integrity? I figured it was common knowledge that they have none.
I recall more clear (or, unclear if you're not looking for it) propaganda posts in the past surrounding Wikileaks/Assange; not the most "extreme" articles straight from the crudest government mouthpieces, but in the more "moderate" assessments tuned to spread subtler FUD without immediately setting off every BS alarm.
"You claimed that it was in fact important. And you know this for a fact do you or are you just spouting the right suck-up-to-authority view?"
No, I don't know it for a fact , other than the documents were classified. Thats a pretty bloody big clue to anyone with a working braincell. Which seems to rule you out.
"Useful to who?"
To "whom". And I suggest you google the reference.
It's useful to know that the anti-Snowden hysteria has reached this level. We've moved past the "traitor" and "terrorist" rhetoric and moved on to more serious "pedophile" rhetoric.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Why should anybody believe a quote about the damage that the Snowden leaks may cause when they are attributed to an "anonymous reader?" It would seem that just about anybody wanting to discredit Snowden or any government's propaganda machine could say whatever they wanted anonymously.
If somebody is really in the know in the UK about the damage Snowden's leaks have caused or may cause related to child porn and terrorists, then they should say so on the record. Otherwise, this is a credible as big foot sightings.
Won't someone think of the pedophiles? I'm not really sure how pedophiles operate, but why is it when a government doesn't get their way on policy, they bring out these bogeyman for everything from copyright law to crop irrigation?
And yet, the demonize Snowden rhetoric made it pas Slashdot editors to make front page. How many times is that now even just in the last few days?
There have been many occasions in which Slashdot has had multiple stories regarding the NSA and/or Snowden on it within 24 hours. There should be little surprise over that since he made off with more than 60,000 documents on just the UK alone. That is going to make for a lot of revelations on many subjects.
You also seem to be complaining that Slashdot doesn't post only positive stories about Snowden, the Guardian, and the leaks - in other words, positive propaganda. The world is more complex than that. Even if you think the leaks are a good thing a reasonable person can acknowledge that there at least might be trade offs involved in a massive security breach such as that. But the fact is that it isn't simply a theoretical question, there is harm being done by the leaks whether you agree or not. Multiple heads of state, legislators or MPs, ministerial level officials, and heads of agencies have all stated that. Your denials of that have no affect on reality.
You should also understand that the sort of damage being done is unlikely to manifest itself immediately. It will take time for the affects to become apparent. When they do, it will be far too late to change your mind, you'll be stuck with it. It might be for years, or it might be practically forever. There is no "take back" on this even though you may come to wish there was.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
The average UK citizen does not believe a word the politicains say, and is far to busy looking at page 3 to give a shit.
I thought that's what these rags were *for* -- something to look at while on the shitter.
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
of Shakespeare.
You can't even spell fnord right
The Business insider link fires back a page that either requires JS (which I did not enable), or requires agreement to a terms-of-service and privacy policy (which I did not submit to, to read a fricking article).
The "thetechherald" article returns "page not found".
Are there alternative sources for your information? Archive links you could provide?
If the children don't know about it, they won't be violated!
...than we are. Makes me wonder about them sometimes.
Nonsense as normal
...looks like deriding the "Think of the childrens!" schtick has been done to death already, so I'll just mumble something about security through obscurity and shuffle off again.
You post has next to nothing to do with mine.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
No, I don't know it for a fact , other than the documents were classified. Thats a pretty bloody big clue to anyone with a working braincell. Which seems to rule you out.
Classified so it must be important, eh? My god you are naive.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Oh grow up. Intelligence agencies don't waste time classifying and guarding material thats just a list of who your mother shags at the weekend.