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Free (Gratis) Version of Windows Could Be a Reality Soon

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft is exploring whether to release a free version of Windows to increase the number of computers using the latest operating system. Currently the company seems to be testing a new version of the OS called 'Windows 8.1 with Bing', which will include Microsoft's key modern apps and services."

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  1. Kinda funny by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember when Bill Gates said that if software were being pirated, he would prefer that it was HIS software being pirated. He wanted to hook them now, so that he could charge them later.

    I guess there aren't enough pirates being hooked, so now they have to give it away gratis.

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    1. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      he would prefer that it was HIS software being pirated

      It's not gratis - you have to use Bing. This is about "just fucking killing Google", not about replacing pirated versions.

      This thread will be full of Microsofties telling you to use Windows Bing version for all your porn surfing needs. It's their one remaining niche, aparently.

    2. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This thread will be full of Microsofties telling you to use Windows Bing version for all your porn surfing needs. It's their one remaining niche, apparently.

      Well, that is the only thing that Bing is actually useful for - the rest of it is garbage.

    3. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I remember when Bill Gates said that if software were being pirated, he would prefer that it was HIS software being pirated. He wanted to hook them now, so that he could charge them later.

      I guess there aren't enough pirates being hooked, so now they have to give it away gratis.

      What exactly makes you think this is a different strategy?

    4. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I use Bing for most of my searches -- I work for Microsoft.

      But I use Google for porn. Just in case they're tracking me.

    5. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I didn't believe all the hype about Bing. "Nothing can beat Google," I thought. But one day, I decided to give Bing a try. The result? Bing alerted me that my cancer could be cured with three simple steps, and sure enough, my cancer vanished by following those exact steps! Wow! Thanks, Bing! You saved my life! I'm not a rabid, frothing Binger and use Bing for all my searching needs!

      Don't believe me? Bing it on, you worthless piece of human garbage! Wow! You Bingless hippies must live in caves! Get out of my sight; you're utterly worthless!

    6. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're still tracking you after what you've been browsing for, they MUST be into you... right?!

    7. Re:Kinda funny by flyneye · · Score: 2

      Never trust a whore who says she doesnt want any money, what she means is; she wants MORE money - Wm. Burroughs
      Gates didnt go to school for C.S., he went to law school...

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    8. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      With all of the horrible changes Google has been making to its services, Bing is actually the better search engine now. I used to be able to find the most obscure shit easily with Google, but those days are gone. Now it returns results for loads of stuff I'm not looking for and automatically tries to "correct" any kind of advanced search terms.

      Bing didn't become better than Google, Google became worse than Bing.

    9. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that is the only thing that Bing is actually useful for

      If you have to use Bing to find porn on the internet, you don't know how to internet.

    10. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Er, no, he didn't go to law school. He went to Harvard without picking a major and then dropped out. While there he published a paper on some relatively well-known problem in combinatorics, I believe, which certainly seems to suggest that he was not taking a typical "pre-law" undergrad course-load, either.

    11. Re:Kinda funny by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, there are more then enough pirates today, simply because there was a period for last couple of years when it was so hard to get win7. It got pirated to heaven and back during this period. Take a look at TPB, you'll find 7 in all possible flavors you could ever desire.

      Win8 on the other hand, I'd pay not to get with my new computer, which is what many today are doing by paying up to win8 pro license so they can upgrade the machine to windows 7.

      So it makes sense to give basic 8 away for free. No one who can help it is buying it anyway.

    12. Re:Kinda funny by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

      A free version of windows would definitely help the nonprofit computer "repair" people out there. It sucks that in order for me to help people with reinstalls, one would have to use a paid copy of Windows or use a pirated/university iso. I mean , you can't just install linux as the ONLY OS for grandma and expect them to never call you back.

    13. Re:Kinda funny by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      So, um, how do you search for porn on bing exactly? Just enter "porn" into bing.com?

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    14. Re:Kinda funny by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I would agree because when Windows is the OS being pirated, having the scammers' machines filled with viruses and adware is sweet revenge.

    15. Re:Kinda funny by funwithBSD · · Score: 4, Funny

      Give me a bing, Vasili. One bing only, please.

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    16. Re:Kinda funny by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      It wont auto update.

      In this day and age it is not worth it if you do anything financial related without updated on a Windows system. It is wiser to stick with XP until April than to do just that.

    17. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What won't auto update?

    18. Re:Kinda funny by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Strange how all those people pirating win 7 get their updates just fine according to the comment section of TPB on the most popular windows 7 torrent I just searched for to fact check this statement.

      Could be they're all lying and it's a grand conspiracy. I'm going to go with more likely scenario - that pirate crowd have long cracked the protection and are enjoying their DRM free stuff as usual while the rest of us have to live with it.

    19. Re:Kinda funny by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I remember when Bill Gates said that if software were being pirated, he would prefer that it was HIS software being pirated. He wanted to hook them now, so that he could charge them later.

      I guess there aren't enough pirates being hooked, so now they have to give it away gratis.

      I suspect that they will have trouble even giving Windows 8.x away.

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    20. Re:Kinda funny by davidhoude · · Score: 2

      You'd be surprised these days. I took the risk with Ubuntu 13.10, and was quite pleased when everything worked out of the box, flash and all.

    21. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      tbh the bing video search is really good for porn. it does a good job collating videos from all across the internet and has a super convenient pop up to view a video in the page. great to drill down for exactly what you're looking for.

      In comparison, google video is awful for porn.

    22. Re:Kinda funny by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      What is bing ?

    23. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean , you can't just install linux as the ONLY OS for grandma and expect them to never call you back.

      Maybe so... but you can't do that with Windows either.

    24. Re:Kinda funny by davester666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's the sound that occurs when you hit a cheap aluminum frying pan with a wood spoon.

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    25. Re:Kinda funny by s.petry · · Score: 2

      Well, Google has ended up doing many of the things we used to bitch about with Bing. I still prefer Google but use advanced search much more than a regular search or get what Google "thinks" I want instead of what I really want. Google at least functions okay with NoScript.

      I am pretty sure that what happened while we were not looking is that both teams got the same owners. Fights at this point about "who is better" won't change that.

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    26. Re:Kinda funny by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they killed some of the "easy" search options, and turned them into more obscure options.

    27. Re:Kinda funny by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      It was more of a "BONG", really...

    28. Re:Kinda funny by s3cr3to · · Score: 2

      "Is a British situation comedy television programme series"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... Oh wait, not the same but Mr Bean is more fun and worthy.
      Not? Ok, for more Bing:

      "Bing" grew up to become one of America's most popular entertainers of all time. In 1931, Crosby launched his hugely popular radio show. He soon started starring in films, winning an Academy Award for Going My Way in 1944. Thoughout much of his career, Crosby dominated the music charts with nearly 300 hit singles to his credit. He died in 1977.

      And there is more Bing to enjoy:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... #1
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...

      There is more just use Google:
      https://www.google.com/search?...

    29. Re:Kinda funny by invictusvoyd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Spoon boy: Do not try and bing the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
      Neo: What truth?
      Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
      Neo: There is no spoon?
      Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bings, it is only yourself.

    30. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's identical to android then? I'm sure that just like android you'll be able to type another search provider in, but all the built in apps won't use it.

      PKB.

    31. Re: Kinda funny by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Do real lawyers take pre law? None of the successful ones I know did, but they didn't go to a school like Harvard for undergrad either (but did go to one of the top schools for law). I assumed pre-law was for the types that are the current class of unemployed lawyers.

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    32. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.
      Source: Box with genuine pirated Win7 happily auto-updating since 2009 with *zero* modifications to windows.
      SLIC is fun.

    33. Re:Kinda funny by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It's nice of them to put the serial number on the case. Shame it only works on a Windows edition that is impossible to legitimately obtain.

    34. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can't just install linux as the ONLY OS for grandma and expect them to never call you back.

      You're sure about that? My mother (who happens to be a grandmother now) has a Linux installed on her primary desktop machine. She rarely calls me because I asked her what she wanted to do with it then installed it with the set of software she needs. OK, so I had to point out that she can use Abiword or Libreoffice Writer instead of "Word" and Gnumeric or Libreoffice Calc instead of "Excel" and Firefox instead of "The Internet", but once she got that through her head (a few minutes with a clue stick was all it took) she was fine. She even remembered to set a half-decent password (John couldn't rip it over the space of a couple of days that I left it running so I was pretty impressed).

      Not all people are stupid/ignorant/afraid of change. You should try not pre-judging them.

      Captcha: Biology - apt, since we're talking about my biological mother!

    35. Re:Kinda funny by Selur · · Score: 1

      thought that still was the main strategy in China&Russia

    36. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless your a chick, then it's like "No! We go in! We kill! No more talk! We kill! Soon, my dog of war, but we have to do it my way. Losers! Losers wait!"

    37. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying that since you installed Windows on grandma's computer she's never called you back?

    38. Re: Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Pre-law" doesn't exist as an actual thing at most universities as far as I know, it generally is a catch-all term for someone taking an undergraduate degree with the intent of applying to law school immediately thereafter.

    39. Re:Kinda funny by nonicknameavailable · · Score: 1

      It's a carburator

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    40. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      FUD

      Total and utter nonsene.

      Daz loader works perfectly fine WITH Windows Updates AND WGA verification.
      We routinely use it on systems that have valid license, but no direct internet connection because it is so much less hassle than the telephone activation system.

      And don't get me started on the stupidity of being allowed to downgrade Win8 to Win7, but there is no way to get a valid Win7 key for such systems.
      There we use a loader too.

    41. Re:Kinda funny by Hamsterdan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not true. They are ways to activate 7 in a permanent fashion (SLIC comes to mind), or other ways via searching for Windows Activator. And yes, a hacked win7 *will* auto update

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    42. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just type fucking tits and ass or whatever floats your boat.

      captcha: hairless - No Dice, I still prefer hair.

    43. Re:Kinda funny by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      That's more typically a comment you here in these parts from those who install Linux on Grandma's computer.

    44. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least up through Windows 7 there are legitimate disc images (as in approved by Microsoft) that you can download for free and use with whatever legitimate key you have. But you're probably too stupid to spend the ten seconds it would take to find that information on Google.

    45. Re: Kinda funny by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Pre-law, pre-med, its all the same thing - Eric "Otter" Stratton, Animal House

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    46. Re:Kinda funny by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      if the system has a valid Win7 key, you don't need to use a pirated copy. Just grab a legal set of ISO's from Digital River with SP1 included and go from there. Yep, MS got smart on Win7 and allow you to activate by simply changing the product key during activation so any media can be used to install and if you do grab the images, you only need the 32 and 64 bit ones along with the MS USB/DVD Download Tool to place em on a flash drive. Once their, strip the god damn ei.cfg file and you now have a menu for Basic, Premium, Pro and Ultimate. Easy and done.

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    47. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a similar experience.

      When I recently heard that Satya Nadella had been part of the Bing team, it gave me the idea to quickly just try what Bing feels like in general.

      Lo and behold, I have not had not much need for Google in the past few weeks.

    48. Re:Kinda funny by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      It's not a rootkit. It appears to be a mechanism to strip the protection entirely if I'm understanding the thread on TPB correctly. So far there has apparently been only one update for 7 that has not been addale through WAU directly.

      And if something breaks, apparently all you need to do is deinstall the crack, run installation and reinstall the crack.

    49. Re:Kinda funny by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      remember when you could set preferences like blacklisting domains so you did not get all the crap chaff of the internet in your searches....

      Back when Google was an actual search engine.....

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    50. Re:Kinda funny by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      They need to team up with Hack-a-day and use their logo instead for the boot screen.

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    51. Re:Kinda funny by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      To add to my other statement. Apparently they trick the bootloader by loading a separate loader before W7 bootloader loads which in turn adds ACPI tables to memory making W7 bootloader think it's running off a genuine OEM machine.

      As far as W7 is concerned, its bootloader itself is not compromised in any way, and it has no way to check if it's booting off a secure machine as it has no secure boot. It's a pretty elegant hack that is very much future proof.

      You can find all this stuff out by simply searching for "windows 7" on TPB, then locating the torrent with most seeds and checking the description and comments. It makes for pretty interesting read actually.

    52. Re:Kinda funny by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      The best way is to use an OEM disk and the activator patch. it just fools the windows 7 into believing it is installed on a "OEM" motherboard.

      Windows 7 is the easiest of all the versions to pirate. windows 8 will be like vista as a curiosity, then windows 9 will be the darling of the pirates.

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    53. Re:Kinda funny by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      " you can't just install linux as the ONLY OS for grandma and expect them to never call you back."

      Why? I did and it works so far.... she called back a couple of times and once she figured out that she really does not want to install "coupon Printer.exe" because that is what infected her computer last time.... All was good.

      She wanted to upgrade to something smaller, I got her a chrome book. All is happy and right in the world.

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    54. Re:Kinda funny by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 1

      You're not 100% right, but you're close.

      Some guy at Microsoft named Paul Cook (yep, that guy), wrote this. Microsoft is simply doing the right thing in an effort to limit the spread of infections. They can see it's not legit, they just don't care.

    55. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. She's not speaking to him any more.

    56. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      windows 7 was never hard to pirate

    57. Re:Kinda funny by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

      Wait, wait, wait...

      A company (Microsoft) with a dominant position in a market (desktop operating systems) is using that position to gain traction in another market (Internet Search)?

      Oh Microsoft, didn't you learn your lesson in 1998?

      Of course, now it has to be argued that advancing Bing is the real reason Microsoft is pushing Windows 8.1 (as opposed to an attempt to bolster the ailing sales of its reviled operating system) but you would think a convicted monopolist would have have learned to be more circumspect.

      Does Microsoft have to go through this with /every/ new CEO?

    58. Re:Kinda funny by sudon't · · Score: 2

      It's always kinda blown my mind that Windows users never seem to have an install disc. And if anyone needs it, it's Windows users.

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    59. Re:Kinda funny by pla · · Score: 1

      It's not gratis - you have to use Bing.

      No, you don't. It may come with Bing as the default for everything, but what does that matter? Install Chrome, and bam, you have Google's tentacles in everything instead of Microsoft's. Well, both, actually - They don't so much "compete" at this point as protect each other from cries of abusing their monopoly.

      Or looked at another way, Android devices come with a free OS complete with Google's spyware preinstalled on them. And I run FireFox on my Galaxy (and use webmail through FF, rather than the stock email client).


      Does MS have a motive here other than charitably giving away their flagship product? Of course! That doesn't make the offer less legitimate. And more importantly, they know that 90% of people will just use the stock apps - You give us FOSS'ers too much credit in thinking MS cares in the least if 10% of us use Chrome or FF.

    60. Re:Kinda funny by phrostie · · Score: 1

      I suspect if that is the worst thing they did with this we'll be getting off lucky.

      Don't just turn and go the other way. Run.

    61. Re:Kinda funny by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      This thread will be full of Microsofties telling you to use Windows Bing version for all your porn surfing needs. It's their one remaining niche, aparently.

      Are you suggesting MS fanboys are into perverse porn? Maybe it's because they like to be dominated and abused.

    62. Re:Kinda funny by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      So, um, how do you search for porn on bing exactly? Just enter "porn" into bing.com?

      Google it.

    63. Re: Kinda funny by jo7hs2 · · Score: 1

      I would say maybe 5-10 of my classmates (out of 160ish graduating) in law school were pre-law majors. They were the exception, rather than the rule. Most were just normal humanities majors (very high number of history majors like me), plus a strong subject of STEM folks. TL:DR...you're right.

    64. Re: Kinda funny by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      If it's as easy as a regular computer to switch, it's way more than 10% that use chrome or FF now a days (over 50 I think).

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    65. Re:Kinda funny by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Why on earth would you do that?

      You know you can use Linux legally for nothing don't you?

    66. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, losers whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

    67. Re:Kinda funny by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Different issue. He's talking about giving these to cracked windows where windows is cracked in a way that is detected. It's a part of their WGA program where they give you the updates, but they also try to send you messages and such urging you to buy a license.

      This particular hack is largely undetectable for microsoft. As far as W7 is concerned, it's a legit OEM copy.

    68. Re:Kinda funny by fisted · · Score: 1

      But how does she print her coupons now?

    69. Re:Kinda funny by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      It doesn't ship with one. You used to be able to generate one off of the install partition, though. Is that no longer a thing anymore either?

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    70. Re: Kinda funny by Glonoinha · · Score: 1
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    71. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A free version of windows would definitely help the nonprofit computer "repair" people out there. It sucks that in order for me to help people with reinstalls, one would have to use a paid copy of Windows or use a pirated/university iso. I mean , you can't just install linux as the ONLY OS for grandma and expect them to never call you back.

      Why are you wasting your time "repairing" peoples' computers for free? Did you get picked-on a lot in school?

    72. Re:Kinda funny by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Except this time there's no chance they will be prosecuted, so they're fine.

      First, we're not in the same situation as the 1990s. Netscape was vulnerable because they had been lucky to have a serviceable product in the right place at the right time. But Netscape wanted to be MORE, so in a very short space of time they added Email, News, HTML Editor, Conference, and Calendar and re-branded the thing Communicator. These added bloat and instability, making them an easy target for the speedy and stable IE 5.0. Microsoft proved they had the better engineers and management and leveraged the tie-in to make the industry upend itself, and that's why they were taken to court.

      Today Google has 66% of the market, and is not losing share to Bing - Bing is simply eating away at the other search engines. So Bing, even 10 years form now, is unlikely to gain more than 33% of the market, meaning a massive upending is nowhere in sight. That means Google has more to worry about from any court action.

      Also, every other competitor plays the lock-in game! Google insists you use their tools/services if you want access to the Play store, Youtube and regular OS updates. Amazon locks Prime streaming to Fire devices. Microsoft and Amazon are facing an uphill battle supporting their own forks of Android because of this: they have to improve the value of their own services in any way they can.

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    73. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh -- personally, I just assume that EVERY pirated copy of Windows available off torrents has already been thoroughly raped / root-kitted and comes with all /any associated malware pre-installed by whichever illicit organization du jour is looking for retards to auto-install their stuff for them. Have fun with your steaming piles of poo...

      -AC

    74. Re: Kinda funny by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1, Troll

      He he "drill down"

    75. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should just bump it up to 9.x already, that'll solve it!

    76. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, the good old classic "no one" clause. Blatantly false. I actually went out and purchased Windows 8 for my existing 3 year old computer that was running Windows 7. I had no problem adapting to the new Start Screen and now prefer it over the traditional Start Menu. But wait... how can this be? You said:

      No one who can help it is buying it anyway.

      So, do I not exist? I am a person. I am someone. Still, I can even remember back when Windows XP was first released, ignorant, narrow-minded, self-centered trolls like you were declaring, "No one will upgrade to Windows XP." It never seems to get old with your kind.

    77. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if "Google" is any less of a silly name.

    78. Re:Kinda funny by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      So basically if you pirate Win 7 you have to turn off Windows update.

      There is one specific update you have to not download from Windows Update to avoid having your install become non-genuine, and that is made trivial by using the "hide update" feature. You can otherwise update as normal.

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    79. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone doesn't get late 80's action thriller references.

    80. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is most definitely a conspiracy. I wouldn't expect anything less than political propaganda from pirate bay. They are in bed with pirate party after all.

    81. Re: Kinda funny by pla · · Score: 1

      If it's as easy as a regular computer to switch, it's way more than 10% that use chrome or FF now a days (over 50 I think).

      Probably more than 10%, yeah, but MSIE alone still has almost a 60% market share overall - And that includes the numbers from phones and tablets, where IE has a mere 1.5% penetration.

      I'd love to say otherwise, but the vast majority of people just use what their PC comes with.

    82. Re:Kinda funny by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

      I believe Bing comes with each copy

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    83. Re: Kinda funny by bmo · · Score: 1

      From elsewhere:

      Msg 123719 of 125222 at 10/5/2013 10:40:10 PM by hamjudo2000
      In response to msg 119170 by hamjudo2000 view thread

      Microsoft OS usage dropped below 50% for Wikipedia users, was Re: Time for Microsoft to panic

      Wikimedia just posted more usage statistics. Windows had a 49.93% share in August of 2013. 4 years ago, for the month of September 2009, 88.68% of Wikimedia users used Windows PCs.

      In 4 years, Microsoft dropped from stably controlling nearly 90% of the OS market for hosts used to browse the web, to controlling less than half , and dropping steadily. For the last 12 months, Microsoft's market share has been dropping on average more than 1.5% per month

      More than a year ago, on August 15, 2012, I wrote:
      >>>
      Wikimedia gathers statistics any time somebody grabs a wikipedia page with an image, including the logo. (People who use text only browsers, do not significantly contribute to Microsoft revenue.) Three years ago, just shy of 90% of Wikimedia users were using browsers running on PCs running Windows, and the percentage was relatively constant month to month.

      iPhone usage hit 1% share in November of 2009. At that point, Windows still had a 88.18% share. Fast forward to last month, Windows had a 69.15% share in July of 2012. They had a 1.3% drop in one month (70.45% share in June 2012). Most, but not all, of that decline is due to mobile usage climbing. All mobile usage combined for July is at a 19.6% share, so Windows isn't just losing market share to mobile devices, it is also losing share on the desktop.

      Even if the recent compound increase in market loss is noise in the data, and the market share loss stabilizes at "only" something like 1% per month, it is still a huge shift away from Microsoft's income producers.
      http://www.investorvillage.com...

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    84. Re: Kinda funny by bmo · · Score: 1

      Postscript.

      I am closer to you these days, btw.

      I am in Concord, NH. Hope you are well.

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      BMO

    85. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should stop Google from tracking you. Google uses tracking info to improve search results. When I use privacy mode in Chrome or FireFox, Google returns search results that are about as bad as Bing. As soon as I log in, it customizes my search results to better fit what I'm interested in.

    86. Re:Kinda funny by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      It happens to be my favorite movie; i was remarking on the fact that the sound it made was not a "ping".

    87. Re:Kinda funny by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      You should also assume that every time you walk out of the door, every person out there is out to kill you.

    88. Re:Kinda funny by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Reading comprehension helps. Like finishing reading sentences you quote before replying.

    89. Re: Kinda funny by pla · · Score: 1

      Heh, a bit closer, yeah.

      All goes well with me, other than having too little free time. Probably a good problem to have, as someone who gets bored easily. :)

    90. Re: Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does it's that amazon locks prime streaming to fire devices. I can stream prime to my ipad...

    91. Re: Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite similar to the sound of the maschine that goes bing in Monty Pythons Meiningen of life i guess

    92. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird - I've been installing Win 7 on people's machines (by request, or restore, or whatever) for years now. I've yet to see a problem with autoupdates, and I would have heard PDQ if constant deactivation was a problem.

    93. Re:Kinda funny by exomondo · · Score: 1

      A company (Microsoft) with a dominant position in a market (desktop operating systems) is using that position to gain traction in another market (Internet Search)?

      I doubt that would hold up anymore, these days people do their personal computing on tablets and smartphones too. If you combine that as the 'personal computer' market then Microsoft's share dwindles.

    94. Re:Kinda funny by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 2

      Something that nobody seems to have noticed is that this version of Windows 8.1 is only free if you already have Windows 7.
      In other words, it's a free "upgrade" to something not as good.

    95. Re:Kinda funny by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      This article does not say anything about a free version of Windows 8.1!

      The article only talks about a free upgrade from Windows 7.
      Too bad the poster didn't actually RTF article.

    96. Re: Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Word.

    97. Re:Kinda funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't ship these with computers anymore.

    98. Re:Kinda funny by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Actually, Linux is better than Windows for the granny market, and especially if you are providing IT services pro bono. If you're selling your time, Windows will keep you employed.

    99. Re:Kinda funny by Optali · · Score: 1

      I would like to use it too, but what is that Bing ding for?
      I tried googling it but didn't find any useful informantion.

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  2. Free as in... by Danzigism · · Score: 4, Informative

    beer?

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    1. Re:Free as in... by PNutts · · Score: 5, Funny

      beer?

      No, free as in bend over.

    2. Re:Free as in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aye, most likely. Bend over for advertisers. Is there anything "free" in their Windows 8.x "store" that isn't Adware?

      Now who is going to crack their ad service to send the "free" users a message? "Bend over, grab your ankles and click here for a free train ride!" "Congratulations! You how won the right to be the next poster child for Goatse!"

      Captcha: shyness

    3. Re:Free as in... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Butt-chugged beer?

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    4. Re:Free as in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never quite understood this phrase. Where is this free beer that you speak of?

    5. Re: Free as in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't exist, it is there to sell overpriced tickets so it isn't really free.

    6. Re:Free as in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Free as in bear.

      So, Stallman-free.

    7. Re:Free as in... by malvcr · · Score: 1

      In fact ... it is not free at all.

      You need to have a Windows 7 to have Windows 8.1 with Bing, and Windows 7 was not free. Also, Win7 it is not very old. They are just copying what Apple did with Mavericks, but with restrictions.

      What I see is that Microsoft is in trouble because their business model from the 80s is not working well today. Apple have no problems, because they are not selling Operating Systems now, they are selling devices (many of them) ... and Microsoft almost no one, and this is why they needed Nokia. The Operating Systems, as the old days of computing, are returning to be a complementary free part of the systems, as must be.

      A side note : There is a mistake with what an O.S. is. When trying to catch the market, Microsoft put every imaginable piece of technology inside the O.S. ... but this is not really an O.S., this is a "distribution". The O.S. must be a small part of the system. Look at Linux, it is really "ONE" file ... this is why people can make distributions, can put Linux in appliances, to create Chrome OS or Android on top, etc. Microsoft must evaluate to do the same, a small free element and to ask for money on the complementary parts for particular purposes. Forget the UI, forget the Server edition. Make them independent products, who knows, maybe this work for them...

    8. Re:Free as in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NSA/Bing.

    9. Re:Free as in... by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The referenced article talks about a free upgrade.
      Timothy didn't RTFA.

  3. It's an old method ... by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Funny

    The first hit is free.

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    1. Re:It's an old method ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've never had a dealer offer me anything for free.

    2. Re:It's an old method ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have, where branding is important- new stamps coming out. The northeast still distributes h in little bags stamped with a logo. It's not hard to get free samples when something new comes out if you're a good customer. Not that I know anything about such things.. just rumors.

    3. Re:It's an old method ... by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      Actual fact of the drug trade: Former customers who are in recovery are usually the ones who get offered free hits. The dealer knows they're likely to become good paying customers again if they get another taste.

  4. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usually there are a "FREE" version already (forget a moment the facts of licenses, is what says marketing) for development countries called Starter version. But nobody likes it since it only can open 2 apps at once.Very limited.

    Oh well they can go the Android version and explode the use with ads all day, like happens in my Polaroid Android Tablet. I barely surf Internet with it since it hansg a lot downloading ads.

    1. Re: What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Polaroid android tablet? Like the one for $60 at Big Lots? What were you expecting?

  5. Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Advocatus+Diaboli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given the history of MS trying to squeeze every last cent out of their captive audience, a free version of Win 8.1 (even one bundled with bing') sounds like desperation.

    1. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the history of MS trying to squeeze every last cent out of their captive audience, a free version of Win 8.1 (even one bundled with bing') sounds like desperation.

      TFA: "Windows 8.1 with Bing," a version that will bundle key Microsoft apps and services.

      Translation: You know how we're replacing code with "apps"? Standalone executables with bits of HTML/Javashit that phone home? We're gonna monetize the shit out of our users. And if they won't pay us, we'll put our adware into the OS.

      Seriously, what was Metro/Live Tiles other than a poorly-rehashed version of the push technologies that were all abandoned in the '90s? Or Win95's "Active Desktop"? Or Vista's (so intrinsically insecure they had to be pulled from the OS completely) "gadgets"? Same crapplets, different day.

    2. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and sitting here I thought seeing Mickey and Taz staring at me on my desktop after bootup was the worst thing to happen to Windows...

    3. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by aliquis · · Score: 2

      Considering you've always been able to get a Linux distribution for free ..

      So.. where's my insightful rather than troll like this guy?

    4. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a free version of Vista Ultimate at a MS booth at a trade show.

    5. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Insightful

      YES!

    6. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And what if even the free version is a failure? Can't give it away...

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    7. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      a free version of Win 8.1 (even one bundled with bing') sounds like desperation

      Doesn't resemble MS to give stuff for free. So until we see the real deal, stay cautious. It's likely the offer will be something like "Free, but...".

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    8. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And what if even the free version is a failure? Can't give it away...

      That's the thing. When I hear people complaining about Windows 8, it's *never* about the price. Lots of people just flat out hate the product.

      I really doubt making it free is going to significantly impact adoption rates.

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    9. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by EXTomar · · Score: 1

      Yes it is especially given the context of a machine that is under $500 where the cost of a brand new Windows 8 license is large for this class of machine but doesn't seem worth it compared to just reusing your old Win7 install.

    10. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is finished

    11. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by s3cr3to · · Score: 1

      I got a free version of Vista Ultimate at a MS booth at a trade show.

      You need to upgrade your "Crap-sta" to "Crap-sta Hate.1"; or wait for "Crapt-sta w/Bing".

      And... Yes! "wind-blows hate.1" is bad... like a silent fart in a crowded elevator, that bad.

    12. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And what if even the free version is a failure? Can't give it away...

      That's the thing. When I hear people complaining about Windows 8, it's *never* about the price. Lots of people just flat out hate the product.

      I really doubt making it free is going to significantly impact adoption rates.

      If their first impression is based on trying a friends computer running "Windows 8.1 + Adware", it will probably make them hate it even more

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    13. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Progman3K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ironic, isn't it? After saying that linux was free because it was worthless, microsoft finally admits its own os is worthless by giving it away in hopes of losing no further shares to linux because people have come to realize linux is priceless

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    14. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Get real. This is about Android, not Linux.

      And yeah, Android is 'Linux' but the Linux part is rigorously concealed.

    15. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by ray-auch · · Score: 1

      That's the thing. When I hear people complaining about Windows 8, it's *never* about the price. Lots of people just flat out hate the product.

      I really doubt making it free is going to significantly impact adoption rates.

      Well you can start your list now (and I know I am not the only one complaining). I think the price is now crazy - when you look at how hw / system costs have fallen the OS is now a ridiculous percentage of the price. MS upgrade pricing for 8 / 8.1 is also crazy (and getting worse) since they dropped the very early upgrade offers.

      I quite like 8 - noticeably faster than 7 and having Hyper-V baked in makes running VMs on a laptop several times faster without the driver worries of trying to install server OS. I don't use the touch / metro stuff except on a touch device, where it's ok (but that's all), it's easy enough to ignore. The start screen is a lot faster and more flexible than the old start menu (particularly when you have a lot of stuff installed).

      However, I have two machines fully licensed for 7 Pro that I will not upgrade to 8.1 - why ? Stupid price. I would really like consistency across the devices in the house, I would like 8/8.1 on those machines, but 8 Pro upgrade is silly money, and with 8.1 even the upgrade option is removed - now have to pay full retail price. Both machines are laptops and have maybe 2yrs life left (with luck), but for the price of 2 * 8.1 Pro I can buy a brand new machine with 8.1 Pro on it.

      So operating system cost is now 50% (maybe more) of system cost (low end but perfectly usable basic system), and you have to pay that much again for every major version OS upgrade.

      I really wish I'd bought some cheap 8 upgrade keys when they first had them on offer - I suspect a lot of people didn't buy because of the initial Win 8 reviews, but now will have a set of mixed 7 & 8 devices and would like to upgrade, but price is now the blocker. I think MS could move a significant number of 7 installations to 8.x if they repeated the initial upgrade pricing now - but if anything they seem to be set against upgrades (just as XP goes out of support... and they really want everyone to buy new kit).

    16. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Cassini2 · · Score: 1

      The strange thing is: most users adapt to the programs they use, and the program becomes less annoying over time. Windows 8 appears to defy that rule. I hate Windows 8. I've been using it for 6 months now. I hated it at the beginning, and I hate it even more now. I simply cannot make Windows 8 do whatever it is I am trying to do.

      A big problem is that Windows 8 does not work well with touch pads. Every other laptop, I use the touch pad. My Windows 8 laptop has a mouse at work, and a mouse at home.

    17. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you're talking about some specific gadgets, gadgets are still in Windows 7, they are just not added by default.

    18. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Samizdata · · Score: 1

      I dunno. I got one of those cheap upgrade keys and downloaded the package, and I was never able to get it to install. It would generate an unspecified error and I couldn't even find an error code to track down a fix. In addition, the customer support was a joke, spewing out the same generic "solutions" (of the class "Is the computer plugged in?"). So I gave up.

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    19. Re:Is Win 8.1 that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah they forgot that in order to lock people in you have to have at least one product they actually WANT.

      Now they don't have a product people want they are so desperate they want to give it away. LMFAO.

  6. Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You couldn't pay me to use Windows 8 (unless it was a lot of money), so why the fuck do you think I would want it for free with crapware installed on it?

    1. Re:Why bother? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Funny

      You guys and all your posturing had better be careful. Win 8.1 isn't anywhere near as bad as you make out. You'll blow your credo with regular folks who, you know, actually try it and find 8.1 to be ok.

      It's cool to carry on here at Slashdot I suppose.

    2. Re:Why bother? by sudon't · · Score: 1

      You couldn't pay me to use Windows 8 (unless it was a lot of money), so why the fuck do you think I would want it for free with crapware installed on it?

      It would be nice to have a free copy to install on my Mac, just in case I ever found a need to use it. It seems like I wanted Windows to do something at one point... Of course, if it's a crippled copy, probably better to just pirate it. Which really isn't worth the trouble if I think about it. Eh, nevermind.

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    3. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...huh? Your suggestion starts with the assumption that someone's hating Windows 8.1 just to be popular with the masses.

  7. We're getting computers upgraded at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, it was time to move from XP. I *could* have had Windows 8, but hell no.

    So... I could have gotten Win8 for free already ... and I wouldn't have it!

  8. So nice of MS to contribute to ReactOS.. oh wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine if both Russia and China dedicated resources to ReactOS, then Microsoft could FOADIAF

  9. Ugly Stuff by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows with Bing, super invasive, super troll advertising, super restrictions on what applications you can install and super restrictions on where you can source content. You just know M$ will go wildly over the top in that regard, so xbox in a computer with compulsory M$ bling 'er' bing. Except you have paid full price for the hardware and by taking free you are actually shifting ownership and control of that device from yourself to M$.

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    1. Re:Ugly Stuff by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1, Informative

      ... and Google is some sort of saint?

    2. Re:Ugly Stuff by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately in comparison even an advertising company like google is like some sort of saint.

    3. Re:Ugly Stuff by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Shit?!

      I prefer Windows on this one after Google due to it's creepiness ... but the GUI... cries.

    4. Re:Ugly Stuff by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd argue the opposite. Classic microsoft was "just pay us and we don't care what you do with it".

      Contrasted with Google's "we'll data mine everything you ever do until we know that you're gay before you do" and apple's manic desire to control how their OS looks and interacts with the user, I'd argue that in this particular aspect, microsoft is (was?) definitely the best of those three consumer OS giants.

    5. Re:Ugly Stuff by hydrofix · · Score: 2

      I am just waiting for people to get hands on it, cripple all the Microsoft spyware/adware functions, crack the usage restrictions and publish it all on Internets as an application that you just install on your cost-free adware Windows. I mean, many people already use Windows only to run Win-only apps inside a virtual machine, so paying for the license feels like a total rip-off. This is excellent if Microsoft is rolling out a cost-free version, joke will be on them.

    6. Re:Ugly Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure Tim Cook would rather know you're gay than Google. Just sayin...because that's how Tim rolls y'know.

      captcha: sexually

    7. Re:Ugly Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ofcource.. because it is currently impossible to pirate Windows and get it for free. What a brilliant plan !

    8. Re: Ugly Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Impossible to pirate Windows? If you mean Win 8.1 - why would you? If you mean Win 7 - I have seen running pirated versions.

    9. Re:Ugly Stuff by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I am trying to figure out where in my comment I mentioned those privacy invasive freaks from Google. I don't mind Android in fact quite like it even some of the google apps but I can assure beyond that I limit my registered activities with google, in fact the only time I used to do registered searches with Google was when you could filter out undesirable web site results. Note I also use noscript to always block "google-analytics.com". I once ran a little experiment with google to test their privacy invasive and how far they would abuse. A quick scruffy job app, expected rejection and then some targeted searches on google and low and behold I started receiving personally targeted forum (non-real name forums) replies based upon information supplied (pretty lame arse act by some google employees but an interesting test to see how far google could be trusted). So yeah, whilst I fully agree with you that Google are just as bad as M$ and perhaps likely even worse (first thing I would do with a chrome book is install Ubuntu), I utterly and emphatically reject the notion that somehow I promoted them as being saintly, they are pretty much just as bad as M$ both are suck ass patent thieves and definitely not to be trusted ie whilst it is still reasonable to use them, use them with extreme care. PS want me to do registered searches with MSN search instead of google then bring it back and incorporate search result filtering, so that I can exclude a range of web sites from search results, even on that Android phone.

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    10. Re:Ugly Stuff by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      More than likely the licensing terms will prevent just this scenario to be any more legal than the current Win7 versions you can find on The Pirate Bay.

    11. Re:Ugly Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude, thanks for describing every single other modern tech company, especially google and apple. Whats your point?

    12. Re:Ugly Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... apple's manic desire to control how their OS looks and interacts with the user...

      Uhhh... we are talking about Windows 8.x here, yes?

    13. Re:Ugly Stuff by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      ClassicShell still exists. So no. Not even close.

    14. Re:Ugly Stuff by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you up but since I don't have points ... I totally agree with you: I'll pay you some money and let me do whatever I want with my computer and stay the hell out of it. I bought Windows 7 and it's perfect for me. This giving away Windows in exchange for using Bing looks like the Google strategy: They want to hook us on their services and make the money through other means. It also looks like they're desperate in putting Windows 8 in the hands of people

  10. Just take the DRM out... by ArcadeNut · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Keep charging for Windows, but remove the Product Activation and "Genuine Advantage" crap. Then let the pirates go wild. People will Pirate it thinking they are getting something for Nothing, and those that still pay for Windows, will be gravy for you.

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    1. Re:Just take the DRM out... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Quite the opposite is likely. You'll probably get Windows for "free", but hand over pretty much anything including your shoe size in exchange.

      Timeo MS et dona ferentes.

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    2. Re:Just take the DRM out... by funwithBSD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the service is free, then you are the "product".

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    3. Re:Just take the DRM out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the service is free, then you are the "product".

      Like with Linux.

    4. Re:Just take the DRM out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep charging for Windows, but remove the Product Activation and "Genuine Advantage" crap. Then let the pirates go wild. People will Pirate it thinking they are getting something for Nothing, and those that still pay for Windows, will be gravy for you.

      Which is funny cause I own more windows licenses than I use, and choose pirate versions to avoid PA/WGA/Windows Update. Key issues with some install CD's not accepting old/oem keys etc. piracy is just easier, it works.

    5. Re:Just take the DRM out... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      No. Like. With Android. With Linux the product is free because you do the work yourself. Which is the most honest exchange, really.

    6. Re:Just take the DRM out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC for good reason. I run pirated windows 8.1 on two personal machines (I am on the frontlines as a hardware tech, I need to know where these things break so I can service customers with the knowledge).

      Judge me or not, I refuse out of principle to pay for a license, I have fully licensed 7 coas to fall back on but windows 8 sucks.

    7. Re:Just take the DRM out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we limit scope to Ubuntu, it is true with Linux. Some of the search engine choices and things they've done lately. This is starting to happen with firefox now too...

    8. Re:Just take the DRM out... by fisted · · Score: 1

      AC for good reason. I run pirated windows 8.1 on two personal machines

      Wow. Thug life -- fuck the police!
      But..posting this anonymously? You take a pass on a lot of street-cred by doing that.

    9. Re:Just take the DRM out... by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      I had to work a lot with RedHat 5.0. Ubuntu 13.10, not so much.

  11. Windows 8 isnt Terrible Enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, Windows 8 isn't bad enough? Now they want to make it worse by turning it into an ad supported monstrosity?

    I'd be impressed with the level of idiocy if it wasn't so pathetic.

    1. Re:Windows 8 isnt Terrible Enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sound like an Adware Operating System disguise as Windows :(

    2. re: Windows 8 isnt Terrible Enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of these days Tim Cook is going to send a "Thank you" cake to Microsoft for their effort in destroying Windows.

  12. How about selling something consumers want? by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Funny, but I never remember hearing about Microsoft having to give away Windows XP or Windows 7. (Sure, there was stuff like educational licenses, but those were for specific and clear marketing purposes.) If Microsoft has to literally give away Windows 8 to get people to use it, isn't that a blatant admission of failure? Why do they feel the need to keep digging themselves deeper into this hole?

    1. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      .. but but Microsoft said they sold 200,000,000 copies and last year said IT IS AS SUCCESSFUL AS WINDOWS 7!?

      How could this possible be??

    2. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First of all, pirates were and are taking Windows XP for free, to this day. They even resell to consumers who then make support calls to Microsoft and hit up Microsoft servers for updates, so they actually cost Microsoft money. If Microsoft can give something away for free so that pirating is a pointless non-issue, and they can make money off of it, that's a net gain.

      But even beyond that, anybody still using XP today, even if they paid full price at the time they got it, is a lifetime net loss for Microsoft, between support calls and Windows Update support and all the rest of it. They got a bunch of money, then slowly gave it back in support costs. They need to sell new copies of Windows at a steady pace until the customer stops using Windows entirely in order for a customer to be a net benefit to them. You chart it out and you get a sharkfin wave, with a sharp rise on each license purchase, and then a curved slope toward the negative.

      Compare Android. Google "has to literally give away Android to get people to use it", but it's not a failure. You keep using Android, and Google keeps making money. It's the opposite pattern. And though Android apps get pirated, Android itself doesn't really have that as a significant concern. The equivalent to piracy would be distributing something that doesn't allow Google to make money off of these Android devices -- some people try, most people don't bother because they don't care.

      Microsoft wants that pattern. If they can get even one more popular release like XP and Windows 7 (and charging $0 might be a way to do that) and have this business model behind it, they're in a much better place and no longer have to really care if people upgrade devices.

      Beyond all that, I expect this version will not be available to enterprises due to its license agreement, which comprise the vast majority of Windows revenues.

    3. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Funny

      It was successful as windows 7. Not "as successful as..." Literally. People bought to 8's pro license and used it to install 7.

      The word play is hilarious because it's true.

    4. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by hydrofix · · Score: 2

      What Google has going for them with Android is the ecosystem. I guess they make some proper money from their share of Play store purchases and in-app advertisement revenues. Thinking of it, I am pretty surprised Microsoft did not come up with this earlier. Their product is dying and they should be building a similar ecosystem like Google, not clinging to the past where people pay quadzillions for the platform software.

    5. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Hey a sale is a sale. Balance sheet rarely have a "Why?" column. In fact when you write it like that, its absolutely brilliant:

      -> Sell OEM a standard license.
      -> Sell customer a Pro license.
      -> Probably sell them a Win7 license as well (though I'm not sure on this one maybe the upgrade is no extra charge on top of Win8 Pro? I'd be unsurprised either way.)

      So 2 and maybe 3 licenses sold based on the product sucking. Most companies would love that sort of market capture.

    6. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not sound like a team player. The only thing modern executives want to hear is "yes", and then they wonder why everything around them goes down in a shitstorm.

    7. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      It's of no charge if I remember correctly, but pro license is significantly more expensive than home one.

      I wouldn't be terribly surprised if win8 actually made MS a significant chunk of extra profit by making people bump the license to pro just to get 7 upgrade rights.

    8. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 1

      That's a false dichotomy if I ever saw one.

    9. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Their product is dying and they should be building a similar ecosystem like Google, not clinging to the past where people pay quadzillions for the platform software.

      Careful what you wish for.

    10. Re:How about selling something consumers want? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      -> Probably sell them a Win7 license as well (though I'm not sure on this one maybe the upgrade is no extra charge on top of Win8 Pro? I'd be unsurprised either way.)

      MS doesn't charge seperately for volume license rights per-se but it does make them horriblly messy, if you get your windows 8 pro license from an OEM with your PC then you can downgrade but if you buy a retail copy or buy a system builder copy for "personal use" you can't, and apparently upgrading an 8 home OEM license through buying the pro pack counts as "retail" (though I haven't found any official confirmation of this and it doesn't seem there is any way to buy downgrade rights seperately.

      So it seems if the machine came with 8 (non pro) then your only legit options are to get a volume license upgrade (ok if you are doing a bunch of machines or already have a volume license agreement you can tack it onto, but not really an option for one machine) or get a complete new copy of windows 7 (which does still seem to be available right now but may not be for much longer).

      Also if you don't have a volume license agreement then MS sometimes makes excercising your downgrade rights a pain. They won't give you a product key specifically for the downgrade and you can't use your win8 product key to activate win7. Apparently some machines may have codes in the bios that allow win7 to activate without a key but if yours doesn't then get ready to explain yourself over the phone for every machine you reinstall using an existing product key from another machine.

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  13. A way to wipe out Android? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 0

    Given Microsoft's name recognition among the masses this has the potential to wipe out Android and other free beer operating systems or at least seriously reduce their footprint. Are there any anti-trust implications here, given that Google is doing the same with Android? This would probably have little to zero impact on Apple or the users of "fringe" Linux distros (read: non-Ubuntu).

    1. Re:A way to wipe out Android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

      Given Microsoft's inability to walk into a room without tripping over their dick, this is most likely to be a cosmic clusterfuck that gives the general public a very bad impression of free(beer) software.

    2. Re:A way to wipe out Android? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      How would this hurt Google at all? It looks aimed at desktop and notebook users. I guess it could threaten Chrome book, but considering the massive footprint of Windows, I doubt it will have any impact. The consumers of this would be people who have PCs running older versions of Windows in the hops of enticing them into the Metro verse.

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    3. Re:A way to wipe out Android? by Virtucon · · Score: 2

      I don't think they're dicks are that big.

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    4. Re:A way to wipe out Android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amusing you think Android, or even Chrome, is threatened by this desperate move from Microsoft. This is yet another reaction by the pummeling their receiving daily from Google. Since they cannot innovate or pivot at the speed of Google they're forced to make these desperation moves.

    5. Re:A way to wipe out Android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny story - during the talks to buy out the device division of Nokia the executives from Nokia heard a large man screaming and glass breaking. It turned out that Steve Ballmer had fallen face first into a glass coffee table and shattered it with his head.

    6. Re:A way to wipe out Android? by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Android is a big enough name in its own right these days. There might be a potential but I'd say its small.

      Other replies noted that its not in the same market but I'd disagree there -- the whole idea of forcing desktop users to deal with Metro is to push them towards Windows phones/tablets. MS may have underestimated (a lot) the negative reaction to Metro but their original purpose -- getting people to use Windows mobile versions -- is still at the forefront of their thoughts. And rightly so given the current market conditions (PC sales dropping, mobile sales skyrocketing.)

      The only players who are likely to lose out significantly from this move is the fringe desktop OSes. Possibly including OSX though Apple's sales tend to be based as much on fanboyism as product quality and certainly not based on price competitiveness so they'll probably just keep on trucking as ever as well.

      iOS might be in some trouble though if the tactic of desktop Metro -> mobile Metro ends up eventually working out. They're already struggling mightily against the power of Android and if MS starts making some ground in the mobile market, chances are Apple's going to take the brunt of it. There's still a big "if" regarding the tactic working though of course. MS kind of shot themselves in the foot on that one and its going to take a fairly large effort to recover before they can get back into the race.

      All in all though, I expect Windows 9 to be where Microsoft really pulls all the punches. Win8 has been as big if not a bigger disaster than Vista but at the same time, Vista provided a very critical stepping stone between XP and 7 -- not so much on the consumer end but on the developer end. It gave devs a few years of dealing with UAC issues, graphics driver issues, etc on an OS that nobody really cared about before the Win7 big guns came into the spotlight.

      Its entirely possible that Win8's Metro will lead to a similar overall slow revolution in time for Win9. Of course its a much more difficult battle -- its right in the face of consumers whereas UAC was mostly behind the scenes and has been pointed out many many times, Metro is optimized for touch -- not for mice. I don't think anyone's yet come up with a UI paradigm that makes Metro apps useful on the big screen but hey.. they've got a couple more years of working on it before its a real problem (or possibly before its a non-issue if the PC->mobile trend keeps on going strong.)

    7. Re:A way to wipe out Android? by s3cr3to · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.
      Given Microsoft's inability to walk into a room without tripping over their dick, this is most likely to be a cosmic clusterfuck that gives the general public a very bad impression of free(beer) software.

      I don't think they're dicks are that big.

      Yes, It's so big that they need to shove it in their own ass, this is why they are tripping over with it.

  14. Bing it on! by Thraxy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man it's like a dream come true. Windows 8 interface AND Bing! Maybe they can bundle it onto free software downloads, like they do with the Conduit/Bingbar browser hijack. Then we won't even have to download it ourselves. Man that's top notch service!

    1. Re:Bing it on! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Throw in a few of those lovely software bundles you get for FREE with every laptop and you're set for the ultimate collection of crapware. Hell, it could even be so bad that you can put it on display, calling it art.

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    2. Re:Bing it on! by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      I'm amused, confused and lost whether to vote you Funny, Insightful or Informative so I gave you this instead.

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    3. Re:Bing it on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of which, isn't it weird that one of the more popular browser toolbar/search hijacking apps that I've been coming across lately has a domain that resolves to an IP address advertised by AS8075 / Microsoft Corporation (snap.do) and some of the others (like conduit.com) have domains using IP space in otherwise trusted blocks in order, it would seem, to remain somewhat innocuous.

      Came about this a little bit by accident because we were blocking access to some IP addresses at the firewall, then we were going through and opening up some IP ranges for Google Play/Apple store/MS whatever and some services hosted by the likes of Akamai, which, somebody noticed, just happened to include a few of the specific IPs we were blocking.

  15. I could use it by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I had aero and the option to disable Metro or at least have it as a desktop where the desktop treats a metro app like any win32 app then ok.

    I need Windows to run apps. Sorry slashdotters I really did try to live a linux only life. I need MS VS, MS expressions web, ventrillo, star wars the old republic, and yes sadly office as my resume won't be formatted correctly with any other package.

    Windows 7 is old and aging and is not mobile friendly compared to Windows 8, iOS, and Android with its api's sucking battery life from apps utilizing win32. But I find hte disney colors of even the Windows 8 desktop madening!

    I really did try Windows 8.1. I find it so damn ugly compared to Windows 7 where I have a sigh of relife. I thought I was old and afraid of change like those on neowin.net say we are.

    I guess I can use it for occasional use like Windows Server 2012 where I setup it once and run just one app at a time and then go back to my desk and use MMC to do the real work.

    But until I have my colors back and life (talking about Office 2013 too) it seems MS is extremist where they want all white, gray, and no color, and all minimalism = anti skuemorphism in that very strict interpretation.

    1. Re:I could use it by theManInTheYellowHat · · Score: 2

      If your resume cannot be formated in anything other than MS Office, your resume might need some more work that formatting.

    2. Re:I could use it by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      If your resume cannot be formated in anything other than MS Office, your resume might need some more work that formatting.

      Oddly. It was redone and it is improved over the older.

        The one I had written in 2003 would randomly change table margins when I add or select something. I mean freaking random where the only experience close is like designing a website in IE 6 where you do one thing and all the elements freak out and go apeshit.

      So many lazy IT departments use Taleo and wont accept .pdf's as they use older versions where the MBAs who work their feel if it aint broke do not fix it. This means I need .docs and .docx still. UGH.

      Word 2010 is much better but margins occasionally double space in random spots still in every other program but Word.

    3. Re:I could use it by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I tried. Really. I read your post three times. I still have no idea what point you are making. Is it that Linux sucks? Win 7 sucks? Win 8 sucks? Truth: They all suck, in their own ways. Pick the type of poison you like best. You don't have to pick just one!

      I use Red Hat Linux to get "real work" done, where "real work" consists of serving ridiculous amounts of complex data to tens of thousands of users with numerous nines of uptime. I use Windows to play video games and watch cat videos. I use Android to send texts or find the nearest hotel when traveling.

      As with most things, pick the right tool for the job.

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    4. Re:I could use it by Payden+K.+Pringle · · Score: 1

      You can and you can? www.classicshell.com

      Install that.
      Right click the start button.
      Go to Skins.
      Select Windows Aero.
      ???
      Profit.

      If you want to get fancy, mess with all the other settings too. It's free. I love the level of customization I can reach on my Start Menu. I haven't seen Metro in months and I've been using Windows 8 (now 8.1) for over half a year roughly.

      I don't understand the hate for Windows 8 because of this (without it, it's terrible for a Desktop experience).

    5. Re:I could use it by Payden+K.+Pringle · · Score: 1

      Addendum to the above post:

      This is the correct link. I am a failure and linked .com when the correct URL is .net. My bad.

    6. Re:I could use it by sjames · · Score: 1

      It sounds like your resume can't actually be formatted in Office either.

    7. Re:I could use it by spasm · · Score: 2

      I occasionally need office too to deal with bizzaro formatting in docx (and libreoffice nearly always makes a mess of both ppt and pptx), but installing playonlinux then installing office from the original iso took about 10 minutes and worked just fine for me. And yes, the iso was paid for - this is a work computer. Needing office hardly means you have to run windows or mac.

      Having said that, I have no idea whether the other software you list runs under playonlinux/wine, so maybe for you windows really is the only option. Just don't mistake needing office for needing windows..

    8. Re:I could use it by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      But I find hte disney colors of even the Windows 8 desktop madening!

      Oh, so the problem is that you don't know what the "desktop" is, vs Metro. I have 8.1 and I don't use metro, except for 3 seconds after a reboot. You don't have to use it.

      The default color scheme looked the same for the "desktop" between 7 and 8.1.

    9. Re:I could use it by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I need MS VS, MS expressions web, ventrillo, star wars the old republic, and yes sadly office as my resume won't be formatted correctly with any other package.

      Office works very well with under Wine. I use it myself on Linux. Also, why would you send a resume in an editable format? Do you want them to see your editing history? PDF would be better. The page format doesn't slide around and it's universal.

    10. Re:I could use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Burn!!!

    11. Re:I could use it by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      realistically no one in the world gives a shit if ODF even works, welcome to the real world

    12. Re:I could use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So many lazy IT departments use Taleo and wont accept .pdf's as they use older versions where the MBAs who work their feel if it aint broke do not fix it. This means I need .docs and .docx still. UGH.

      Word 2010 is much better but margins occasionally double space in random spots still in every other program but Word.

      Are you really that desperate to apply at tech firms that can't open PDF files?

      Btw I am using TeX and moderncv style. I don't need to worry about margins, that's TeX's part. It looks that good that they ask me for word templates and can't believe it is TeXed.

    13. Re:I could use it by gringer · · Score: 1

      The one I had written in 2003 would randomly change table margins when I add or select something. I mean freaking random where the only experience close is like designing a website in IE 6 where you do one thing and all the elements freak out and go apeshit.

      So what makes you think this will look the same on the computers of all those people with Office who view your CV?

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    14. Re:I could use it by zennling · · Score: 1

      Many recruiters and HR departments only accept resume's in MS Word format. To deliver your resume in any other format is to render it immediately inconsiderable, even if it is 'universal'.

    15. Re:I could use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and yes sadly office as my resume won't be formatted correctly with any other package.

      Don't worry, it may not be formatted correctly with another version of Office either.

    16. Re:I could use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you don't "need" it, It's an addiction. You break it the same way you do with Cigs. I should know, I locked myself into Windows specific software for 15 years before I broke my slave chains. You don't need anything, sir, you're just trying to rationalize your usage of Microsoft Software.

    17. Re:I could use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need playonlinux. what is so hard about installing Wine and then right-clicking on an exe and selecting Install with Wine?. It's a lot easier than fiddling about with with those so-called "easy" programs that have limited options. And playonlinux is filled with GOGs mostly, a very Linux unfriendly place.

      Windows isn't the option, reverting to Windows does nothing more than allow you to continue to get locked in with Windows specific Software. The software is there, you just have to look in places other than repos. Of course thats my opinion and I really do respect yours, hope I didn't offend as it wasn't the intention.

    18. Re:I could use it by Soulskill · · Score: 1

      As with most things, pick the right tool for the job.

      This always seemed like the best approach, to me. I have 5 commonly used devices/machines, and each of them has a different OS installed. Each serves its purpose just fine.

      One of the benefits to using a variety of operating systems is that you become familiar with each, and can see the benefits and shortcomings of each. It's helpful -- not for ranking them by awesomeness, but for doing what you need to do quickly and easily.

    19. Re:I could use it by spasm · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'm with you that wine is better for multiple reasons, but on a clean install of linux+wine installing a current version of office still isn't quite as easy as 'right clicking on the exe and selecting install with wine' (or wasn't for me last time I tried, about three months ago). Playonlinux, for all its limitations, does make installing that particular mess of software a simple clickthrough operation for newbies. And I definitely agree with you that being locked in to office or any other software that only runs on a proprietary OS is shooting yourself in the foot.

    20. Re:I could use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a pathetic failure and linked .com when the correct URL is .net. I should go die in a fire.

      FTFY

    21. Re:I could use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I very much agree that editable formats are not a good choice for Resume, as a recent grad the online systems for applying to jobs are terrible. My resume was a PDF exported from LibreOffice. Such a pain when many of the online systems would only accept Word. Drives me up a wall that they would just assume everyone is using MS Office. Even worse are the ones that, I kid you not, will not accept any upload at all and only have a text box to copy and paste your resume into :'(

      And those are just the ones that work. You can't imagine the amount I came across that were completely broken, or that required IE to work properly, just to fill out forms. It was sickening. There were jobs I didn't apply for because they were so difficult to apply to. Maybe that was a test, but is that the kind of company I would want to work for?

      I felt so strongly on this issue I have considered making an online service where you fill out one super detailed resume, and can export a pdf, word, odt, plain text (as ridiculous as that is) resume. What was worse is that many of the companies should no better. Applying at a software engineering company, and they ask for a Word document resume. I am sure most of the engineers would immediately find that laughable, but the company I was applying for did not actually make their own recruitment system.

      First ever post! That is how strongly these nightmares have stuck with me haha.

    22. Re:I could use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, you fail by insisting that to make a point you need to state a preference of x over y. Once you drop this restriction his point becomes obvious: there are good reasons to be concerned about the direction MS is taking their operating system despite the alternatives.

  16. isn't Windows already free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still have an installation of Windows 8.1 Preview. It was free. I just didn't bother to upgrade it to RTM. I still use it occasionally.

  17. Funny Scenario by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if it's impossible to undo, and millions of non-technical people give 8.1 a try ("Gull darn it's free ain't it?") and then they all hate it, but there's no way to go back to what they had without wiping everything out ("All my games and pitchers is gone!") and then there's a flood of anti-Mirco$oft news articles and blog posts and facebook posts etc etc etc.?

    1. Re:Funny Scenario by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You left out the biggest...

      and another anti-trust lawsuit...

    2. Re:Funny Scenario by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Millions of non technical people will discover there's nothinnng wrong with 8.1.. Biddy badda boom.

    3. Re:Funny Scenario by Mike+Frett · · Score: 1

      You're kidding right?. Microsoft worked out a deal already with the NSA to get out of the last anti-trust lawsuit. Any lawsuits would be dismissed.

  18. It might work... by Virtucon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Clearly a strategy to erode the Chrome book. With Google clamping down now within Chrome, it won't be too long before they have a hefty market share and lock in with their Chrome Web Store. Recent releases of chrome now deactivate extensions from third parties that don't come from their Web Store, so they're corralling ISVs into their BS Walled Garden strategy which is bad for Chrome but great for Google. I can see Microsoft wanting to play in that arena as well, Bing based browser with the Microsoft Store that still doesn't allow you delete your apps though.

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  19. Re:So nice of MS to contribute to ReactOS.. oh wai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine if both Russia and China dedicated resources to nuclear weaponry, thenthe US could FOADIAF... literally. BOOM.

    No but seriously given the current balance of power it's clear that the East are far less aggressive than the US ever was, and - for all their rhetoric - are more interested in production and trade.

  20. Windows 8 .1(plus) for free? by sehlat · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Seriously overpriced.

  21. but there is better stuff out there already free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But there is better stuff out there that is already free, and not just that but its also free from their marketing, free from their bloat, free from their viruses, free from their poor performance, and free from a direct line to the nsa.
    Why would anyone bother?

  22. As my granny would say: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Can't even GIVE the shit away"

    1. Re:As my granny would say: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of about 20 years ago.

      AOL gave disks away.

      I would always take a handful of 'em when I went into a store... take 'em home...pop the write protect tab ... reformat 'em ... and use them,

      That's all they were good for.... but at least they were good for something.

  23. I heartily concur with your assessment. by chilvence · · Score: 4, Funny

    Javascript "Apps" are the reason I just had to replace my perfectly serviceable 10 year old Athlon XP machine before it physically broke down from exhaustion. Every machine I have had before I have had the pleasure of using until it caught fire from overuse. The smell of burning capacitors is still fresh in my nostrils after all these years. Fuck Apps. Fuck them in the anus with a cactus. And for that matter, fuck my spell checker for insisting that it should be written as "JavaScript".

    1. Re:I heartily concur with your assessment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... is there somewhere you can go to sign up for that cactus thing? My "friend" wants to know.

  24. I have a better idea by chilvence · · Score: 2

    I'm still waiting for the version where they fucking well pay me to use it. Do you have any idea what it is like to be rudely awakened from the earnestly and lovingly designed Acorn RISC OS?

  25. It'll be short-lived by Torin+Darkflight · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If Microsoft does indeed go through with a truly "free" version of Windows, I anticipate that it won't be long until they panic and decide to kill it because "it's diluting their profits from Windows". That's what happened to the free (and admittedly quite limited) version of Office 2010 they put out. As restricted as Office Starter was compared to the retail version, it was still "good enough" for many people, myself included. This supposedly began eroding their profits for Office. By the time Office 2013 came around, they had decided that they didn't like the idea of having a free version of a flagship product eating into potential sales, so they axed it. I imagine a free version of Windows would meet the same short-lived fate. Yes, I agree with the general consensus that Windows 8.x is terrible compared to 7 or even Vista. BUT, just like with Office Starter, there will be many people for which a free version of Windows, restrictions and all, is "good enough" for them. This will eat into their sales of Windows even further (If that's even possible at this point considering the failure that is Windows 8), and they'll panic and decide to axe it to forcefully regain their flow of income.

    With all that said, I will admit I'm curious to see how this plays out re: their method of releasing a free version of Windows. With Office Starter, it was (officially) only available pre-installed on new computers and (technically) could not be downloaded. If they release free Windows as a downloadable ISO, that might garner a little more adoption, but not much considering Win8's reputation. But, if they go the same route they took with Office Starter and make it only available on new computers, then really the only benefit would be a lower-priced PC, albeit with the added cost of having to deal with ads. Kinda like what Amazon has done with certain models of the Kindle.

    1. Re:It'll be short-lived by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      8.1 was really just too big to call it a service patch, but that was what it was.... and those should be free.

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    2. Re:It'll be short-lived by Torin+Darkflight · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed, and 8.1 IS free to existing users of Windows 8. But it definitely is too big to be considered a service pack, yet also not enough of an update to be considered a proper new version.

      One thing that bugs me about Windows 8.1 currently is that there is no legitimate way (to the best of my knowledge) to walk into a computer store and buy a DVD copy of Windows 8.1 (Only Windows 8), or even download the Win8.1 installer or an ISO and burn it to a DVD or flash drive for later use, it's only available though the "Microsoft Store" for immediate installation at the time of download. I fix computers as a side job. What if someone brings a computer that has been upgraded to Win8.1 to me and they need me to do a repair install of the OS? I can't do that without Win8.1 media of some sort, so my only option is a total reformat and reinstall of vanilla Win8, followed by a lengthy update process to Win8.1. There is no way as far as I am aware to slipstream Win8.1 into the ISO for Win8. Plus, there's no guarantee Win8.1 will remain a free update forever, so if Microsoft decides to yank that free update path, then PC techs like me and our customers would be screwed.

    3. Re:It'll be short-lived by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/...

      No no, don't thank me, it was just a google away.

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    4. Re:It'll be short-lived by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

      Amazon sells it as well

    5. Re:It'll be short-lived by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Completely different can of worms from Office thanks to the vast majority of Windows installs being either large VLA sites or OEM preinstalls. The only thing this will really affect are boxed(/digital) retail sales which I imagine aren't super high.

      Office on the other hand is a pure retail product. I'm sure a large part of Office profits come from VLAs as well but without the preinstalls, retail copies aren't quite as easy to shrug off since all of your personal and small office sales are going to be retail rather than mostly OEM.

    6. Re:It'll be short-lived by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/

      Pick out what version you need, look at "details" to get the SHA1 of the ISO image, and then google the SHA1. You will find a copy! Download that and check the hash, it's perfect, burn to DVD. There you have it. For use with your own valid serial numbers only.

  26. microlost does not own your hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't put any microlost operating system on a computer that wants to take ownership of your hardware.

    1. Re:microlost does not own your hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know what an operating system is? It operates your hardware.

    2. Re:microlost does not own your hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS does try to take over your hardware, look at the problems XP had, like if you put a scratched cd in a drive it would cripple the drive. Or signed driver hell for unsupported or older hardware, which is still a problem today. Linux doesn't do that crap, it just works.

    3. Re:microlost does not own your hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux has much more bugs though.

    4. Re:microlost does not own your hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows is an idiot operating system.

  27. Free 8.1? by no-body · · Score: 3, Interesting

    update on top of W8 that is..

    Experience so far:

    Acrobat reader crashes reliably
    Essential VPN in VMware images no longer works.

    Consequence:
    Restore W 8 from backup

    Cost? Lots of time lost on this BS!

    Maybe they need to give it away for free so people are less upset if they get burnt - you get what you pay for and get sucked on with ads and/or giving up your privacy.

    Ah - and this BING desktop or whatever it is was never installed.

    1. Re:Free 8.1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't update to 8.1 because I never realized how much I hated the Start Button until I installed Win8. Eight is great, and I'm sticking with it.

    2. Re:Free 8.1? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      If you're making the determination to go with an operating system based on the presence of a Start button on its GUI, then Win8 is probably for you.

    3. Re:Free 8.1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Free 8.1? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Maybe it indeed is a bit silly reason, but at least he has the balls to say it, rather than going with the hive mind. Kudos for that, goddammit.

    5. Re:Free 8.1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Acrobat reader crashes reliably

      There are three ways to end Acrobat Reader under Windows, two normal ways and the third by selecting spell checking settings dialog from a non-English version of the Reader. Numerous, reliable instant crashes since 11.0.

    6. Re:Free 8.1? by _xeno_ · · Score: 2

      Sounds like your Windows 8.1 upgrade experience went more smoothly than mine.

      In my case, the upgrade replaced the working graphics drivers with ones that - well, didn't. So as soon as 8.1 got to the point where it was supposed to display the log in screen, I instead got a nice black screen.

      Fun fact: how do you boot to "safe mode" in Windows 8.*? Well, by holding down Shift when selecting "Shut down" from the Power menu. How do you do that when the OS won't actually boot? You don't.

      Even better getting to the recovery options involves hoping and praying your keypress lands in the incredibly tiny window it bothers checking. I ended up just powering off the laptop during boot in order to make Windows consider it a "failed" boot because I never succeeded in triggering recovery mode using shift-F8.

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    7. Re:Free 8.1? by no-body · · Score: 1

      What? Since when has W8 a START button? On which planet/reality are you at home?
      Seems we have a certain kind of fanboy here...

    8. Re:Free 8.1? by no-body · · Score: 2

      Well, my "downgrade" from W 8.1 wasn't smooth at all. I take raw partition images as FS backups and after restore, the W 8 didn't like itself any longer and failed to boot.
      The "repair" feature of the W8 install disk was trying all night and in the morning it concluded that it can't fix itself. A W 7 install/repair fixed the W8 boot failure malaise in minutes which got me quite amused.

  28. IE compatabilty by AndyCanfield · · Score: 1

    I do in-house web sites for a living. We do NOT support Internet Explorer. Why not? Because we can't affort to install virtual computers running legal versions of Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 6 (?), Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 9. We just tell our people to use Firefox; it's availlable for free for anything.

    Giving away copies for compatability testing would be a great idea.

    (Neither can we affort a back room full of old MAC's, but I can test Safari on Windows XP and haven't run in to any problem yet.)

    1. Re:IE compatabilty by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Informative

      Guess I will have to hire someone else then.

      It is not like there are free VM's to use nor are there free virtualizers available.

      To say no to the world's most popular browser and letting your customers give a leg up to the competition whose site works just fine for their customers is inexcusably. It is not like IE 9+ is not standards compliant or anything.

      I see many who claim NO IE EVER!!! .. also make websites that only work with -webkit CSS extensions and viewed best with Chrome, yet bash IE 6?!

    2. Re:IE compatabilty by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      Not really. The "free" images offered by MS from that URL expire after 90 days and you can't (apparently) retrieve your data from the images after they expire. That's what the write-up on their website says, anyway.

      Do you want to have to set your whole test environment up all over again every 90 days? I'd rather spend my time doing something useful, but that's just me. Since I have no use for MS stuff, so it doesn't matter to me anyway.

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    3. Re:IE compatabilty by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      Add wine and, where stable, ReactOS to the above list.

      Where a customer reported an obscure bug that only manifested itself on a certain version of Windows, wine saved me a couple of times when writing Java client applications (Swing). Java widgets are emulated but they do pick up theming from whatever underlying Win32 platform is running.

      Anyway, I hope that you do sanity test against other free-as-in-beer browsers such as Chrome to flush out any Firefox specificity.

    4. Re:IE compatabilty by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      THey are working fine for me after 90 days.

      I wish TechNet was back so I didn't have to pay $6,000 to MSDN to test Exchange out. I do not mind in those circumstances doing it every 90 days for testing. This seems reasonable as MS wont let you buy XP to run IE 6 even if your customers still use it.

    5. Re:IE compatabilty by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      It is not like IE 9+ is not standards compliant or anything.

      That's the thing: They're not. Only superficially so. It's so bad that my clients keep bitching about the cluster fuck MS made with its compatibility mode list management that it fucks up on damn near every update, that we rolled our own Firefox into the OS images to escape the IE monstrosity. Yes, the time-waste was that bad. Fuck IE 9+ and 9-. It's the worst of both worlds. There are some sites, esp. government sites for finance, mortgage and lending compliance that no longer work with IE, and due to the wrong compatibility mode and the sites' lack of interoperability with web standards (built to run in IE 7-, e.g., .attachEvent() and detecting browser by user agent string matching) are actually causing us to maintain older vulnerable boxes running XP with IE7 and strictly limited to accessing only certain government websites.

      The good news is that the IE problem has gotten so bad that many of the creaking government service sites (like HMDA) are being redesigned and tested to work with Firefox / Chrome -- You see, they get plenty of complaints as to why their services don't work and "It only works with IE" isn't true anymore from v9+.

    6. Re:IE compatabilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not like IE 9+ is not standards compliant or anything.

      It's not IE9 that concerns me but, IE19. Microsoft's past behaviour does not inspire confidence.

      I see many who claim NO IE EVER!!! .. also make websites that only work with -webkit CSS extensions and viewed best with Chrome, yet bash IE 6?!

      Nice strawman you got there.

    7. Re:IE compatabilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't last decade Billy Gates, IE even hit single digits in percentage share on some sites.

      Here is Wikipedias aggregate lists.

      The days of IE are gone. The only people that still "support" it are people that have no clue about marketshare or people with terrible IT.
      Besides, it is trivial to get things working in IE6 anyway if you just look up and understand the spec and IEs terrible interpretation of said spec.
      Once you do, you can easily create flexible layouts with nicely formatted crap and wotsits all over the place.
      The only problem I ever still have with IE is float and centering problems, and the obvious lack of features for some new stuff, but a Good Site will degrade gracefully.
      Validation? Validation can get fucked, since all browsers have their own interpretation of the spec anyway, and they all attempt to deal with "tag soup" and other such problems, it is hardly a problem if it isn't valid. Only CSS evangelists wank off to valid sites. (and XML too, can't forget those retards, thank god XHTML2 died)
      Besides, it is not like ANY recent CSS features even remotely replicates WHAT WE WANT anyway. No wonder the CSS Regions code is getting scrapped from Webkit, it is atrocious. Take Flexbox with it too, it is WORSE than Tables for Layout!
      So, you may as well stick to either TfL or typical 2/3 column layouts stacked vertically since that is all you will get if you want to support any browser from the past decade without having 15 gigabillion hacks in your CSS file that is larger than your entire websites textual content.
      Where the hell is decent inheritance support in CSS already, god damn it CSS Group, get your asses in gear already. And add that damn :PARENT pseudo-class already, nobody cares if retarded developers use it incorrectly, LET THEM. They are worse than those retards that say GOTOs are evil, yet they have no basic understanding of how ACTUAL code works at the lowest levels, or the fact that a considerable number of features in most languages are stealth GOTOs anyway! /rant.
      tl;dr IE days are over gramps. Get with the times.

    8. Re:IE compatabilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see many who claim NO IE EVER!!! .. also make websites that only work with -webkit CSS extensions and viewed best with Chrome, yet bash IE 6?!

      I'm not sure you quite understand what the problem with IE-only support was. Webkit / Chrome is free and runs on more OS's than Microsoft support.

    9. Re:IE compatabilty by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      It is not modern IE. It is the website feeding bad code. FF and chrome would choke too if fed it. IE is gradually not supporting it and that is good if HTML 5 is to ever be adopted.

  29. Bill Gates stepped down for a Reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He made it easy for all(DOOM), Trying to program whims is impossible.

    Regards,
              Linux

  30. There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by oscrivellodds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The real cost of a Microsoft OS is the hours you'll spend waiting for reboots due to "updates" and just trying to keep it running.

    My time is worth more than that.

    1. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      hm, I let it update when I go to bed or leave work, I dont care about waiting while I am asleep

      course your genius mind must have figured that out before making a pointless and frivolous comment, even though its been 3 fucking years since I have been able to boot linux without a update nag message before I even get wifi connections

    2. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      That's FUD. The time to install the updates for Windows takes just a few minutes and happens only once per month. Of course the initial upgrade after a fresh installation might take quite long, but that's the same for all operating systems.

    3. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still have to close everything and wait for everything to reopen when it boots back up. You don't have to sit there and wait while it updates, but it's still an obnoxious waste of time.

    4. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's not. On most Linux distributions you download all updates once (and usually with good bandwidth), reboot once, and you're done.

      After installing Win7 I would start "search for updates" and it would run for, dunno, 5 Minutes, tell me there's nothing, only to tell me 15 minutes later "there are updates available" (no shit sherlock!), downloading was usually insanely slow, install, reboot, and repeat that process for like 5 times. Sometimes, updates would even fail to install (error). Overall, updating the Win7 to up-to-date took well over 3 hours.

    5. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      All right, fair counter-argument, because that is true. The Background Intelligent Transfer Service used to download the updates is overly conservative, leading to very slow downloads. Also the Windows Update frontend and backend are often out of sync, leading the Control Panel update tool to show wrong information.

    6. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have Windows 7 Starter on my Asus eee pc. I use it only once in a while, perhaps not even every month, so the number of updates keeps increasing.

      The default settings are quite evil. If you are not at the computer at the time it decides to reboot in 10 minutes to install updates, you'll lose whatever you had open. Even if you save often (as you should especially on Windows), opening all the programs again is an unnecessary pain. And once it starts installing the updates, don't even think about closing the laptop lid, it'll go on suspend. Once you open the lid again, it'll wake up, install the updates, and shut down. That's the most pointless feature ever.

    7. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by oscrivellodds · · Score: 1

      And why does the Windows machine have to reboot after every update? My linux machines rarely need reboots after updates.

      After rebooting it takes forever to get to where the Windows machine is usable again.

      No, no FUD, and you're obviously an MS asstroturfer.

    8. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by oscrivellodds · · Score: 1

      Be careful, MS doesn't like its asstroturfers to use foul language when promoting its products. You might not get your check!

    9. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      And why does the Windows machine have to reboot after every update? My linux machines rarely need reboots after updates.

      I do strongly recommend rebooting a Linux machine after installing updates. Chances are that there are many userspace applications and libraries running which do not have the new code loaded.

      No, no FUD, and you're obviously an MS asstroturfer.

      That is an insulting comment. You're a dickhead.

    10. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      and linus doesnt like retards

    11. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by caseih · · Score: 1

      With the exception of the update reboot thing, you could also argue the real cost of Linux is the hours you spend with it as well. Every time I do a major distro update, it takes me about a full day to get back up and running 100%, making sure my data got moved over to the new install, setting up the services and daemons. Often config file formats have changed slightly, so I have to tweak my old config files. Sometimes new bugs and incompatibilities show up (looking at you, nVidia). Despite its reputation, I've found modern Linux distributions aren't very backwards compatible with older hardware. Just upgraded to a distro with 3.12 kernel from an old distro with 2.6.32. And no matter what I do I can't make the nVidia (any version) or nouveau drivers work with my integrated geforce 8200 video card properly (gnome 3 trying to composite windows hard locks my machine, openGL is iffy, any compositing with KDE or compiz also definitely hard locks). So $50 later I've got a video card coming to hopefully address this issue. The older kernel worked fine even with a very recent nVidia driver. However that's not supported any longer, and certainly not by the newer distro release.

      Before you ask, yes I do know how to use Linux, in fact I've used it professionally and exclusively for many years. So this is in no way intended to a billy gates-style troll comment. Just a statement of fact.

      There's the old adage that Linux is only free if your time is free. It is cheaper than Windows for me, both in terms of time and money, but it surely isn't free in cost. Sometimes it can be quite expensive.

    12. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by tepples · · Score: 1

      Why reboot GNU/Linux for updates other than to Linux itself? Updates to services on the Debian-based distributions that I've used automatically restart only the service that was updated. Updates to X11 and interactive applications can be applied by logging out and back in, though with a lot of stuff open, I can see how that'd be almost as much of a bother as rebooting.

    13. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by oscrivellodds · · Score: 1

      At least you didn't say "your a dickhead".

      There, I said something nice about you.

    14. Re:There's no such thing as free with Microsoft by vandamme · · Score: 1

      You could set the update time to anything your little heart desired, if you had enough mental capacity.

  31. Burn XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burn it!

    Mod it!

    Free IT from Bill!

    Yea baby! Bring on the 'Suits.' :-D

  32. Tie a pork chop around it by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Maybe then at least dogs will play with it.

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    1. Re:Tie a pork chop around it by s3cr3to · · Score: 1

      Maybe then at least dogs will play with it.

      LMAO... Oh My... this was good! +1 My dog can eat the pork chop and then crap on it, but I doubt she want to play with it; maybe with two pork chops... no, neither.

  33. The Inferior Windows Hook by ikhider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Windows has multiple versions of their OS, from low-end, to 'pro', to 'ultimate'. Windows deliberately makes lesser versions inferior in the hope users will pay for a better version. It is a pity they do not bother to make and offer the best version. One of the many reasons proprietary OS' must be done away with.

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    1. Re:The Inferior Windows Hook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the Pro version are usually so bloated with unnecessary junk that you really don't get much more....

      The best version in my Mind would be an OS with driver support, a good archive, file system and a Basic desktop, But NOTHING else. I don't need troubleshooters, or accessibility options I dont even need security as I choose my own.

      MS make it modular, example

      Base OS $10
      Aero $2
      Metro $999.00 (they need to cover costs of making it)
      Server support $2
      Troubleshooter $2
      Windows games $5
      WIndows Defender $5

      ^^ This would a huge success, you could even make the modules subscription based.

    2. Re:The Inferior Windows Hook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of them are low-end.

    3. Re:The Inferior Windows Hook by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Indeed... all the while running the risk that potential customers have only the experience of the free version, which turns them away from Windows forever: "No, thanks, I used Windows once, got it with a cheap laptop. It sucked so badly I asked a friend to install something else for me."

      Rational or not, this is how people judge and remember products. Same accounts for Linux et.al. of course.

    4. Re:The Inferior Windows Hook by tomhath · · Score: 1

      One of the many reasons proprietary OS' must be done away with.

      Fortunately you live in a capitalist society, so the market will rule. No need for any unnamed authority to "do away with" with an unwanted product.

    5. Re:The Inferior Windows Hook by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't do that. They sell one version of their OS and that's it. All the OS features they offer are already there, including some command line scripting and compiling tools.

      Anyway, the point isn't whether or not Apple is great. The point is that I'm not sure your argument that proprietary OS's are terrible is valid when only one of them is doing the thing you hate them for.

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    6. Re:The Inferior Windows Hook by ikhider · · Score: 1

      Apple does a lot of stuff that ruin OS'. Musicians spend years tweaking their Mac to make a certain sound, only for Apple to release an update that renders all their audio patches and plugins null and void. This does not sound like a company that has their excrement together. Apple owes their existence to marketing and stupid people.

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  34. Basically add-supported Windows 8? by Chas · · Score: 1

    Jesus H. Fuck! Just when I thought Windows 8 was as low as they could go!

    There's no way, no how, no possible scenario where I'd opt for something like this. Even if the only other choice was "no computer".

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    THANK GOD!!!
    1. Re:Basically add-supported Windows 8? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are we adding it to?

  35. Costs by Waccoon · · Score: 2

    Time to start making money on things other than Windows and Office.

    1. Re:Costs by winphreak · · Score: 1

      Luckily, the Surface RT is a huge hit. It has neither Windows or Office!

      --
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    2. Re:Costs by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      MS is in for a hard time. A really hard time. Pretty much anything else they have is loss-making.

  36. A Free copy of Windows is still way too expensive. by idommp · · Score: 1

    If Microsoft wants me to ever run anything windows on any of my computers EVER again they will have to pay for the priviledge. I had no choice but to deal with their monopoly for twenty years when I was employed but, now that I'm retired, I don't have to put up with them anymore. I'll build my next computer from discrete transistors if I have to before I buy another machine pre-installed with windows and all the OEM bloatware that comes with them these days.

  37. Drug dealer business model by FuzzNugget · · Score: 3, Funny

    To bad it only works when your selling a drug people actually want. This one gives you a *reeeally* bad trip.

    1. Re:Drug dealer business model by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      The name for such drugs is "poison".

  38. The Windows I want.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is 10,000,000 times not, not, never ever Windows 8, in any guise, form or fashion.

    Give me XP or 7 - but NO "key", no nonsense. It installs and shuts up. It can be put in a VM and never smell a network (and not commit suicide after 30 or 120 days).

    Hello Bill? ..or Steve Chair-chuck Ballmer, ... or Natella new-guy? Hello, anybody home?
    I will even give $100 for a DVD with such a version. I have $0 (zero) for a key-riddled version.

  39. But It's Not Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bing

  40. Windows 8 for free by rossdee · · Score: 2

    is way overpriced.

    So how much are they selling Win7 for these days?

    Anyway, what would stop you from installing that 'free with Bing' win 8.1, then installing your own choice of browser (Firefox, SeaMonkey or Chromium) and using that, with the home page set to google.com
    (And install another file manager instead of using windows explorer.

  41. Make desktop Windows free, raise server prices? by swb · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see the pricing models MS uses for pricing Windows desktop, server, Office, SQL/Exchange, and server OS & apps CALs.

    I wonder if MS builds in interdependencies for these pricing and what kind of assumptions they make on how the pricing for one product relates to expected sales of another -- ie, if the price of desktop "Pro" is raised past X, how many fewer copies do they expect to sell of the desktop OS and how many fewer copies of Office or fewer server licenses and CALs?

    My guess is that they follow the option to maximize pricing, keeping X at some value that maximizes how much they can charge without too adversely affecting other sales.

    It makes me wonder, though, if someone has ever said "Hey, what happens if we make the pro desktop free but raise the price of server, server apps, and CALs by some percentage to both make up for some of the lost revenue, does it increase the sales of these items?"

    And with a free desktop OS, I'd wager people would be more likely to accept crap like Win 8 versus hanging onto XP forever.

    1. Re:Make desktop Windows free, raise server prices? by turp182 · · Score: 1

      If you go full MS stack you get very good discounts, per someone I work with (we used to use other BI products a lot). And the stack isn't bad with SQL Server, SSIS, Analysis Services, and MSDN Ultimate subscriptions for developers, where I work.

      I don't know the discount level, but I know the costs are nothing like the Oracle licenses at my prior job.

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  42. "free" by globaljustin · · Score: 2

    who really *pays* for Windoze? MOST PEOPLE GOT WINDOWS 'FREE' WITH THEIR PC PURCHASE

    virtually all Windows users got it *bundled* when they bought their Dell, HP, Toshiba, etc.

    sure we've all seen the news stories of people on Windows X release day but professional PR people can make that kind of thing happen...no...

    the only reason Windows is used so much is because Gates & M$ got *****government contracts***** to put an IBM running Windows on every Federal Government desk.

    **that's** why so many people use Windows...it was ALREADY FREE

    Windows is dead...M$ is dead...I know their stock price says otherwise, but thats a tremendously lagging indicator...if you judge a company by the products they make, M$ is a FAIL

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    1. Re:"free" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was called the *Windows Tax* and why so many people were looking to get a refund from the PREINSTALLED Windows OS on their system(s)?

      Please provide proof the systems in stores and online which come preloaded with Windows are really giving Windows to you for free.

    2. Re:"free" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its never really free, nothing ever is. And as a computer Tech windows is still the best for low tech (knowledge) families with tight budgets, I have awesome horror stories of $600 apple modems (old model, non-standard interface hard to get) you can buy a pretty decent windows PC for $600.

    3. Re:"free" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      windows tax retard, that 299$ i3 aint worth 299$ of parts you numbnut retard

    4. Re:"free" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the only reason Windows is used so much is because Gates & M$ got *****government contracts***** to put an IBM running Windows on every Federal Government desk.

      This, of course, is one of the many reasons why the full (buildable, documented, and not obfuscated) source of all older versions of Windows needs to be freely made available. The public has the right of long term oversight over government, including all software being used by government.

      A similar right to long term oversight over private businesses exists.

      Let them keep the source secret for a few years, then let the public have access to it.

      Free versions of the binaries does nothing to satisfy the right to oversight.

    5. Re:"free" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if you get a bill at a restaurant with "tip included" you got free service?

  43. Microsoft wants everybody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. to have a machine that goes Bing.

    1. Re:Microsoft wants everybody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a tiny whiny detector. It goes Bing when there's stuff.

  44. Nope by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    grand parent is right. Every now and then I have to explain to a family member why they have to pay $100 bucks to Microsoft for that nice computer that bought at the swap meet from the nice man...

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    1. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually GP is right :-) The "protection" stuff runs before Windows bootloader (most commonly a modified grub that loads additional ACPI tables into memory, tricking Windows it runs on a licensed OEM system) so the entire signed bootloader chain is not broken. W7 does not have secure boot so it cannot confirm the stuff that starts before it's bootloader.

    2. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm using a pirated copy of windows 7 (DaZ loader) and updates work fine.

      Honestly, using a SLIC loader is much more reliable than microsoft drm. I use a loader despite owning a legitimate product key.

    3. Re:Nope by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, more reliable in what way? I'm using geniune 7 OEM home premium right now, what kind of improvement can I expect if I move to a cracked version?

    4. Re:Nope by fisted · · Score: 1

      The warm and cozy feeling of having done something bad to a mega-corp, and some extra $$ for selling your former OEM key on craigslist

    5. Re:Nope by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I was serious. What advantages are there to circumventing the DRM? Quite ofter there are some, but I just don't see any at the moment.

      It could be I'm ignorant, which is why I'm asking, and while I get your joke, I'm actually interested in a more practical answer.

    6. Re:Nope by fisted · · Score: 1

      I actually was being serious, it's what I'd do if I were to buy computers with windows preinstalled, or had any reason or desire to use windows in the first place (which hasn't happened in the last decade)
      Therefore I don't know any more practical answer, sorry.

    7. Re:Nope by HuguesT · · Score: 3, Informative

      The advantages are several, here are a few I can think of (not that I practice them myself !)

      1- You can use your Windows installation in both a real and a virtual machine. Some VM engines allow you to run off a physical disk, like VMWare. If you dual-boot from Linux or OSX, sometime you want to use your windows installation to check out some software and you do not want to reboot and lose your current work. With the DRM version of Windows, you would need two licenses, even though you are never using both at the same time.

      2- You can change your hardware anyway you want. The DRM version will unregister itself if you change the CPU, the motherboard, too many disks, the graphics card, and whatnot. You have to re-register by telephone, which is a huge hassle and may stop working if you do it too often.

      3- You can carry over your installation of Windows to your new computer (same issue as #2, really).

      4- Why do you need as many licenses of Windows if you have say 3 computers but only ever use one at any given time ? Say one at work, one at your SO, and one at home, if you are self-employed?

      Basically Windows is behind the time. Linux is free and good, and OSX is becoming more and more gratis (not libre, unfortunately).

    8. Re:Nope by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Let me put it this way - I would find it unethical to sell a key anywhere if I'm still using the software. I would find it ethical to crack the said software if it improved my experience with it however.

    9. Re:Nope by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      #2 and #3 make sense for me. I'll have to look into it once I get around to upgrading this machine beyond what may trigger this detection. Thanks.

    10. Re:Nope by fisted · · Score: 1

      Let me put it this way - use free software.

    11. Re:Nope by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I need tools fit for the job. Offering me a screwdriver when I'm asking about qualities of different hammers is quite silly.

    12. Re:Nope by fisted · · Score: 1

      You didn't even specify what exactly that job is. But yeah, i get it, you're computer illiterate.

    13. Re:Nope by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      We were talking about windows and its licensing and benefits of cracking its DRM. You barged in looking like an idiot and talked about using free software - when windows is all pay to get a license. In other words, you went wildly off topic.

      Then you started throwing rocks around claiming those suggesting that talking about windows in a thread about windows is apparently a sign of computer illiteracy.

      Well done.

    14. Re:Nope by fisted · · Score: 1

      5 posts ago i explicitly claimed not to be able to give you any practical advice on the matter.
      You went on, anyway, and now you're flaming me for having replied in a similar way. that's hilarious.

      And FWIW, your computer illiteracy didn't show until went on gibbering about how free software, apparently in general, isn't fit for an unspecified job.

    15. Re:Nope by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Please sit down for the next piece of information will shock you to the core:

      You are not the only person answering questions on slashdot.

    16. Re:Nope by fisted · · Score: 1

      Please piece down for the next sit of information will core you to the shock:

      You already asked the question, retard.
      If someone feels like answering it, there's GGGGGGGGGGP to reply to.

  45. Not really by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    regular end users (e.g. like my kid) don't mind it at all. Especially once it started booting to a desktop. If the tech had been there to do cheap x86 tablet PCs that didn't get so hot you could fry an egg on them I think it woulda gone over just fine.

    Microsoft is looking at google giving away Android/Chrome and wondering if they should do the same. The Office 360 revenue is way more than Windows revenue. The only question is if they give away Windows can they sell other services on top of it that bring in recurring revenue. Sure, they give up a $50 profit on Windows, but if that means $20/year in office fees for 5 years they come out ahead.

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    1. Re:Not really by Altrag · · Score: 2

      Its actually better than that as they will NOT be losing the largest chunk of the Windows licensing fees -- OEMs will still be paying to put pre-installed versions on every PC you buy whether you want it or not.

      All this will affect is retail sales of boxed/digital copies and given how much love people have for Win8, I don't imagine that they're selling a huge number of copies through that channel anyway.

    2. Re: Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure about the phrase "giving away" with respect to Google and chrome or android. How about "developing together with the community and sharing"? The phrase "giving away" sounds loaded and negatively emotive.

  46. I used to be a microsoft shill by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

    Sorry, but I had to set up a pc for my half blind dad that just uses the PC for audio books.

    Windows 8 is waaaayyy overpriced at free. If they'd pay me 2 grand a month , maybe I would try to use it.

    I'm hoping the steam/ubuntu gaming Port gains traction. If I could play all my games on Linux and just safely surf on Linux - I would have absolutely no need for microsoft.

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  47. Charge for support by michaelmalak · · Score: 2

    To extend an idea oft-expressed here on Slashdot, Microsoft, from its profit perspective, would be wise to give Windows away for free and then three years after a particular release, start charging for security updates.

    1. Re:Charge for support by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      The amount of money made that way will be much less than their current business model, even if it may be more sustainable in the long run.

      Try explaining that to the share holders who have to take an >80% loss on their shares as the value of the company plummets with the drop in revenues.

    2. Re:Charge for support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of the ROI from microsoft's perspective. They have to invest zero. The return? Millions of dissatisfied customers who eventually realize that if they want to rationalize all the time they've wasted learning this crap they will need to invest in Bill and Melinda's condom factory to protect themselves from all the infectious diseases they are attracting.

    3. Re:Charge for support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better, they could start charging users for security updates AND charging the black market folks for insider knowledge of built-in 0-days that haven't been yet found. I'm sure the botnet operators would be happy to toss MS a few primecoins...

  48. A step in the right direction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and with another progressive step forward to paying ME to use their product, I'll be quite happy to load Windows 8 Dividend Version onto my old netbook.

  49. M$$$$ $UCKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just reading this forum I am amazed by the twisted contorted logic people use to hate Microsoft but still like Google or Apple.

  50. Re:Way to miss the point windows 7 users want a de by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Well, slap Classic Shell on it. Pretty good for a free deal.

  51. Re:but there is better stuff out there already fre by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    You are correct with the other points, but the feeling of "bloat and poor performance" has been mostly ironed out from Windows. It works smoothly even on low-performance Atom hardware.

  52. Windows is NOT free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always got it for free - with bonus crack programs playing awesome techno music ;-)

  53. I did the switch this year, never going back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solution: Linux Mint
    (or Linux Mint Debian if you want a bit more work, but have rolling updates and a true debian system)

    Use VMWare Player or VirtualBox to run any flavor of Windows, or multiple Windows-VMs if you wish.

    Buy a stationary PC, they're cheap and extremely powerful today. You can easily get 32 GB RAM, SSD for OS (ext4 runs fine on SSD).

    Make sure you buy a great graphics card. SteamOS is coming, and there are already some great games on Linux you can run through Steam (compatible with SteamOS games).

    Stay ahead of the trend for once. It requires some courage, but staying on a sinking ship will be more and more troubling from now on.

    Support no-spying, free and open software and hardware. Support the future YOU want. Yes, there might be some sacrifices, but you'll soon realize you don't really need them after all. You'll feel more free and focused, not just by not having to ignore popups and balloon annoyances, but by knowing what you want and where you're going while realizing how to get there.

  54. Re:A Free copy of Windows is still way too expensi by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Great!

    I hope you enjoy the various glitches and bugs of your typical Linux distro, or the expensive and limiting walled garden of OS X.

  55. The EU won't like the bing bundling by jools33 · · Score: 1

    Here's guessing that the EU competition commission won't like this much at all. So I guess this version won't be for the European market.

  56. What stops you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from just changing the search engine in firefox or chrome or whatever to google or duck duck go or whatever.

  57. "hardware will be free" by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    I remember him saying that it was the hardware that would be free...

  58. Desperate vs. sensible by Alomex · · Score: 2

    What they needed to do was fix the problems with Windows 8 and lower the prices substantially to remain competitive.

    Instead they release the useless Win 8.1 and an ad-ridden crippled "free" version of Win 8.1.

    This is the signature of every truly fscked company out there. The steps needed are rather straightforward and obvious yet time and time again said companies find a way not to take them. For example it was obvious since the mid 80s that Detroit needed to produce better quality cars to avoid bankruptcy, yet a poisonous combination of management, company culture and unions prevented them from taking the obvious step.

    Even today they are not yet fully committed to quality cars in the way Toyota or Honda are.

    1. Re:Desperate vs. sensible by funky_vibes · · Score: 1

      Did they produce cars in Detroit?

    2. Re:Desperate vs. sensible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HA HA HA. toyota and honda are abusing their reputation right now.
      their non-luxury cars just don't measure up to a ford or chevy. i never
      thought i'd say that, but it's true. vw, too.

      it makes sense. you build a brand so you can charge more for the same
      thing, or if you've hit what the market will bear, then charge the same for
      less.

    3. Re:Desperate vs. sensible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      their non-luxury cars just don't measure up to a ford or chevy. i never

      Sorry dude, you must be pipe dreaming. Consumer reports still ranks Toyota and Honda far ahead of most offerings from Detroit.

  59. Bing? More like "bung"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  60. AW SHIT NO NO NO! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    I want Microsoft dead. I want them to have a hilariously incompetent CEO, OS prices that rival an entire gaming console or low-end laptop, and copy protection that annoys paying users. A free version of Windows ould make Microsoft the most powerful corporation in computing again and pull the rug out from under home-use of Linux. This is seriously bad news.

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  61. I won't be free but will cost you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll probably have to accept that they will
    - sell your private internet interests
    - collect statistics and sell that data
    - sell your private documents
    - sell your bing search results
    - sell your soul
    and all this, without giving you anything back.

    And, it'll cost you
    - lots of lost time updating stuff (as windows never had distribution-management)
    - lots of money buying tools that you need just to really use windows (like antivirus, antispam, anticrash, antibluescreen, antiantiramblowout)
    - lots of time to install all the standard basic tools if they exists at all (like pdf-readers, working browsers, shells, editors, .. )
    and they probably wouldn't pay the bill if you send them one for that work also its their fault.
    - lots of time lost as each executable is using up your bandwith sending data to 10 random agencies making you wait longer to read 'how to fix this and that in windows' and '1 Million advices you have to obey to stop windows from crashing) .. i probably forgot lots of more hidden costs and time wastes, but i stop thinking about beeing used by windows now ('beeing used' of course because windows can not be used for anything except spamming and giving a friendly home to trojans, viruses and data-capture-tools).

  62. Free Trojan! Download Now! It even comes with BING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * by downloading this you accept that we'll use 90% of your bandwidth uploading private information to 10 random agencies 24/365.

  63. Hmmm by drolli · · Score: 2

    One thing i actually liked about windows was that i am the customer and not the product.

  64. Windows Free (Gratis Edition) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they can ship it with the same interface Windows XP classic Windows desktop interface I'll be more interested in it. If not, well too bad so sad.

  65. on a serious note (re: porn surfing) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMHO, if you use the same IP address to access both your email and porn, it's in your best interest to use the search engine of a company that doesn't serve your email if you're ever looking up something porn-related -- even if you use private browsing on dedicated restricted-access user accounts for both activities.

    Hint: The company's logs will still show that your IP address accessed email one minute and made a search for porn the next; it doesn't take much compute-power to connect your email address to the porn query.

    Therefore, if you use $company for web-email, it's in your best interest not to use $company's search engine for porn. That is of course unless you don't mind receiving porn-related advertisements in your web-email client. ;)

    p.s. You may also want to think about which companies might end up buying which other companies in the future. e.g. Don't search for porn on the engine of a company that's likely to get bought by your email provider, or vice versa.

    </paranoia>

  66. Xbone by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    Perhaps MS shouldn't shit all over gamers by paying game companies to release their games for xbone only and not PC.

    Stupid MS, crapping on your own customers.

    That and the fact that games companies keep ruining great games with crap ports and then don't fix those problems even when they're told about them. Is it so hard to allow fully configurable keyboard mapping, including 2 actions to one key like what fucking happens when you use a controller, lazy fucking dipshits.

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  67. This should knock a few bucks off new laptops... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully this would knock a few bucks off new laptops that I'll end up installing Linux on anyhow.

    I'm not even too concerned over a repeat of the 80s. Microsoft can no longer flood the lower-end market with their crappy but cheap OS to push out the newly emerging Unices. That's what Android\ChromeOS is for...

    The best part is that the game companies are wisening-up as far as lock-in is concerned. They've seen iOS and how Windows 8.1 hurt their sales while seeing Microsoft making more and more money off the ancient XBOX 360 hardware. So now many of them are at-least taking cross-platfrom to SteamOS as a mid/long-term contingency plan.

    I'm not sure we'll have a FOSS world any time soon. But at-least we might see some diversity and competition.

  68. Desperate times require desperate measures. by jacekm · · Score: 2, Funny

    The fiasco of Metro UI is forcing Microsoft to take extreme measures. Windows 8 failed it's main goal to convert Microsoft near monopoly in PC market into mobile dominance.In the process it actually enraged the current customer base which caught Microsoft by surprise, but that is another story. They are trying to repeat the trick that killed Netscape. Free IE bundled with Windows made Netscape irrelevant. I don't believe this will work the same today.Times are different.

    1. Re:Desperate times require desperate measures. by norite · · Score: 1

      I doubt it caught them out by surprise. We tested the preview version and we told them it was shit. They just chose to ignore us.
      The issues that the rest of the userbase are now complaining about were the exact same issues we told them about, and told them it would bomb on.

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  69. Windows 8.x protection platform by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    It's unbelievable how much time and effort went into the protection (from "unlicensed copies") of Windows 8.x -- the OA/SLIC 3.x method for large OEM customers causes an *individual key* for each unit to be generated, verified/registered with Microsoft, and inserted into the systems firmware.

    And now they're just giving it away?

    I still prefer and use Windows 7, and will continue to do so.

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  70. Unprecedented by kenh · · Score: 2

    A search engine company giving away an OS with close ties to it's own search engine and applications... UNHEARD OF! A game changer!

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  71. Only one kind of Bing I like, and that's Twin Bing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    delicious, non-nutricious and I'm sure not good for me, but oh so yummyyyyyy

  72. First they slashed the price by Trashcan+Romeo · · Score: 1

    Now they give it away free. But to get enterprise adoption for the abortion that is Windows 8, they would need *pay businesses to use it*. Even that might not be enough.

  73. Screenshot by Sheik+Yerbouti · · Score: 1

    Here is a screenshot of the new free version

  74. Show ME the monayyyyyy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bah. Wake me up when Microsoft pays me to suffer through using Windows.

  75. windows with ping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would rather want pong, ping is not so fruitful application

  76. No thanks by norite · · Score: 1

    They could not pay me to use it, much less give it away for free.

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  77. not interested even if they pay me :) by calin.grecu · · Score: 2

    I won't use it even if they pay me to use it hahaha

  78. I want a new job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh gawd no. This industry, having the reputation of being a good way to make a buck or two, already attracts idiots by the millions, and now we're going to have to suffer even more of the indignity of getting on the short bus with all the stoopid kretch who think riding a scooter in the circus makes them a race car driver. I need a new career.

  79. The real difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The difference between Google, Apple, and Microsoft can be summarized this way:

    1. Apple is very, very good at making aesthestically pleasing technological devices for human beings.
    2. Google is very, very good at computer science and Big Data research and applying that knowledge to their products.
    3. Microsoft is very, very good at providing excellent marketing management who are technologically clueless: their best leader ever
  80. I knew this was the plan from day 1 with Win8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Windows 9 was going to be split into a consumer edition and enterprise edition. Metro was being crammed down people's throats so Windows 9 Consumer would be Metro-only, and require a Bing login. This would be preinstalled on PCs you'd get at Wal-Mart. MS would be monetizing its captive audience by moving traffic to Bing and other web services they control. Windows 9 Enterprise would cost more than a consumer could afford (but have discounts for businesses) and be the only version to run legacy Win32/Win64 non-metro apps. But the incredible rejection of Win8 foiled this plan, so they're changing it. First a free Win8 to get people used to Metro, then the Windows Consumer that only runs Metro?

  81. Been there, done that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Set the wayback machine to 2000. I was merrily running NT Server 3.51 and got a free trial copy of Win2K Server. Nowhere did they warn me that it would upgrade the hard drives from NTFS v1.2 to v3.0 making rollback impossible. If I had installed it on the production machine my options when the trial ran out were buy a licensed copy or repartition the hard drives and re-install everything from back-us. And we know EVERYBODY tests software on a staging machine and faithfully back up their data.

  82. There will always be a catch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8, there will be plenty of stipulations ranging for "Oh you ant more than 16GB of ram to be used in your computer, pay us more money" - to "Oh you don't want ads popping up while you use our free OS, pay us money", to "Oh, you want security patch support and other consistent upgrades, pay us more money" - to "your upgrade coupon expired 4 years ago so we won't honor it, pay us more money" to "You want to install on a second pc, pay us more money"...

    Nothing is free. Why do we need 20 different releases of the same OS anyway? Basic, Home, premium, Pro, Ultimate, Starter, etc etc etc.

  83. The real money is in support by ssufficool · · Score: 1

    The "Enterprise" company I work for spends more money on the support end of things than the licensing. We pay once for the license and then as a budgetary lock in, we budget or yearly guarantees for the latest versions and Enterprise support. If Microsoft gave away the software, they would still make good money in the support arena. Red Hat and many other no cost software providers learned this long ago. No Enterprise will get software that does not come with support, no matter how talented their internal tech staff is (pats self on back).

  84. Yes by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 1

    I don't even think giving it away will give it market share.

    They need a new version of Windows. One that doesn't try and provide solutions for problems that don't exist, like people wanting a device that is both a tablet and a laptop. If people want a tablet, they buy one, if they want a laptop, they buy a laptop, if they want a laptop and a tablet, they buy a laptop and a tablet.

    If they're going to persist with this hybrid device strategy, at least they have to fix the implementation. Many advocates of Windows 8 always ask "But have you tried it on a touch screen device?". I answer, "yes it's better on a tablet, but that doesn't excuse it being shit on a desktop".

    In this day and age if you're going to create an OS that works on a hybrid tablet/laptop device you need to make sure it's brilliant as both and that it transitions gracefully from one mode to the other.

    Windows 8 doesn't achieve this.

  85. Wrong! by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

    The article doesn't say anything about Microsoft offering a "free as in gratis" version of Windows 8.1.
    It talks about a free upgrade to Windows 8.1 from Windows 7.

    Next time, read the fucking article, Timothy.

  86. Yea sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some how the words FREE and Microsoft just sound crazy to me. when use in a sentence.

  87. First they ignore you by vandamme · · Score: 1

    Then they laugh at you (Scroogled)
    Then they fight you (free Windows)
    Then you win.

  88. Re:A Free copy of Windows is still way too expensi by vandamme · · Score: 1

    I do enjoy the glitches and bugs of openSuSE 13.1.... what are they, again??

  89. Pirated windows has no cons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never bought an operating system and I've had computers with every version since windows 95, and I've never come across a pirated version which could not get updates. Worst thing is update KB971033 for windows 7 which will detect certain types of cracks, but it doesn't install automatically and all you have to do is hide it and you never have to worry again. I don't think that update even detects windows loader style cracks, only the ones which change windows files.

  90. Fucking hell... by echen1024 · · Score: 1

    Why not just give away older versions of Windows I actually WANT to use, like Win 7, instead of pushing your fancy optimized-for-little-teen-girls touch screen bullshit. iPhone's exist for that purpose, ya know.

  91. You can't? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would grandma need, statistically, that she couldn't get from Linux? You've got web browsing, auto updates (depending upon release), video/flash, music players, office... anything a general user would ever want, and it's hard to break.

  92. What?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .doc is a universally supported format. Docx means you're using ooxml IIRC, which is a proprietary format. Vent works fine on Linux, I've used it plenty. VS is a fair point, expression web is no longer supported by MS, SW:TOR has Gold/Silver rating under Wine. Not really seeing why you weren't able to use Linux except for VS. I use Windows and Linux both, so I get needing both, but don't knock Linux because it can't support a Microsoft product. It sounds like you didn't try terribly hard, which is fine, but don't spread FUD about Linux because your specific use case didn't work out.

  93. G+ by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

    As soon as Google gets some penalty from a government regarding their use of a dominant position as a search engine to mandate that the use of their services requires using their social network (Google+), then I'll entertain the idea that Microsoft could get penalized for this.

    Until then, I'm pretty sure MS is safe from the governments.

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  94. I don't hate Win8 as much as others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Verizon contract renewed just as the Win 7 phones were launched. The droids I wanted weren't there (although I do recall the salesperson waving his hand). They told me I could return the phone within 30 days, no questions, I figured '30 days of windows phone' would make good blog material. /I liked the Windows 7 Phone experience/ of pure Win 7 Metro apps. But then, a quarter into my year contract, Ballmer(*). At the start of the second quarter, apps were still being made, but with dwindling energy into making them Metro, and by the third quarter the few apps that made it to the W7P were ports with little effort into making them metro-like (giving a rather poor experience) while extant apps were either withdrawn or started to deteriorate as developers cobbled changes in them with little regard for continuing the metro work they'd previously done.

    The moment I was able, I rushed back to the mobile store and switched back to Android. But I do still miss my W7P.

    Windows 8 UI is not Windows 7 Metro, it's not just a "slight variation", it specifically touches many of the core game-changing aspects of W7Metro to support desktop experience, and almost all of them are done in an utterly non-W7M way.

    Still - the upshot is I find I'm more comfortable with Windows 8 than other Linux developers, and there are bits of Windows 8 that I'm ok with.

    But I wouldn't pay for a Windows 8 license unless it was under $50; if it was under $50, chances are I'd be running it on my home pc.

    (* I mean "Ballmer" in the compound verb-adjective-noun sense)