Slashdot Mirror
Goodbye, Ctrl-S
An anonymous reader writes "'Save your work!' — This was a rallying cry for an entire generation of workers and students. The frequency and unpredictability of software crashes, power outages, and hardware failures made it imperative to constantly hit that save button. But in 2014? Not so much. My documents are automatically saved (with versioning) every time I make a change. My IDE commits code changes automatically. Many webforms will save drafts of whatever data I'm entering. Heck, even the games I play have an autosave feature. It's an interesting change — the young generation will grow up with an implicit trust that whatever they type into a computer will stay there. Maybe this is my generation's version of: 'In my day, we had to get up and walk across the room to change the channel on the TV!' In any case, it has some subtle but interesting effects on how people write, play, and create. No longer do we have to have constant interruptions to worry about whether our changes are saved — but at the same time, we don't have that pause to take a moment and reflect on what we've written. I'm sure we've all had moments where our hands hover over a save/submit button before changing our minds and hammering the backspace key. Maybe now we'll have to think before we write."
I've been using computers for over 30 years and have never once used this keystroke.
Jesus saves!
When it stopped meaning "Suspend output to terminal" along with it's partner CTRL-Q.
In-Band serial flow control ftw!
G.
a text editor that is so error prone that *needs* to autosave constantly("continuously"). Or software in general, for that matter.
Looking for people to chat about multicopters, coding, music. skype: gtsiros
Which one does that?
Your material will be saved to the cloud where the NSA computers can check it and make sure you're not doing anything illegal. But please just ignore the prying eyes, citizen, and get back to work for the Man. After all, he owns the NSA now.
"There are no comments"
Wtf Slashdot beta?
It is Alt+F S!
Truly it is the year of the Linux Desktop. Long live :w
is how do revert to older versions? I use a program that saves every change so while a crash would not result in lost work I can't revert to an earlier version unless I save a copy first before editing. Fortunately I use another program that saves a copy every time I use Carl-s so I can roll back from its copies.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
I'll keep my I-search, thank you very much.
TFA doesn't mention this and, if the summary writer meant "commit" as in version control commit, this would be a killer bug in the whole process.
Version control is not meant to be used as a backup, every commit should be deliberate, reviewed and well explained in the comments. Vide the post mortem of the heartbleed bug (or many other similar ones).
Surely you mean C-x C-s.
Finding God in a Dog
...control-S (XOFF) was used to pause the scrolling on a "dumb" CRT terminal. I don't think I have ever used it to save a document.
Systems I care about (i.e. anything I use for "real work") are on UPSes. If the hardware or software is unstable enough that it crashes unexpectedly more often than once every couple of months (give or take), I fix/replace the hardware or start looking for alternative software to accomplish the same task.
That's honestly the first thing I thought of. "Saving a document" to me is "Esc-:w".
...but it's being eaten...by some...Linux or something...
I'm busy F4'ing.
Trolling is a art,
What if I don't want to save my changes?
"You can use the 'undo' command they say..."
Yes but the undo command isn't persistent between applications, much less a power failure.
You haven't solved anything, you've merely shifted the problem.
Sometimes, I don't want to save. I will open a document with the explicit purpose of making changes that I don't want saved. Even Gmail's autosave has burned me pretty badly. I spent an hour typing out a very long email. Toward the end of it, something happened, and the whole body of text was gone. I'm still not really sure if it was a keyboard shortcut I inadvertently triggered, browser bug, or what. But I just thought "no biggie... I'll just go back to the auto-saved version". So I open up the autosaved version, and the latest auto-save happened AFTER the email body was deleted. So much for autosave @#$!#$@!!!!
"but at the same time, we don't have that pause to take a moment and reflect on what we've written. I'm sure we've all had moments where our hands hover over a save/submit button before changing our minds and hammering the backspace key. Maybe now we'll have to think before we write.""
Stop looking for deepness where there is none. Hover over a save button? No... save, then make changes and save again. Maybe over a submit button, but what the hell does that have to do with Ctrl-S? You're combining two completely different processes... saving a local file that you can save again as many times as you like with an irreversible submission process to try and create some depth to a non-story.
Esc-ZZ
Oh geez. I thought the article was referring to the XON-XOFF protocol. I must be ancient :-(
just lost a doc yesterday because I forgot to save it... had opened it from an e-mail attachment just to glance...
came back to desk later... closed word and POOF all gone...
CTRL-S is not going anywhere...
This sounded so familiar to me, but I can't believe it has been over eight years ago. I must be remembering a similar story posted much more recently.
Exactly.
I've also noticed that since I don't put birdseed in my bird feeder, less birds are in my yard.
I miss the days when it was full and there were lots of birds.
Back in the day, I/O was dreadfully slow. Think about 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" floppy disks and slow hard disks, and how long it could take to save a document. I can still hear the clunking and whirring in my head as the little activity LED blinks and the operating system grinds to a halt.
Now, with faster HDDs and even better SSDs, making "save" a separate, user-triggered operation doesn't make much sense. And with a jillion cores, you can easily offload the CPU work to do the saving to another thread so the UI isn't interrupted. Look at iOS - how many apps have a "save" button at all? It's expressly discouraged from the Human Interface Guidelines, and iOS users have been happily plugging along without it for years.
I think the real shocker is why applications still have a 3 1/2" floppy disk as the save icon. It's just an anachronism now.
"Save your work!' — This was a rallying cry for an entire generation of workers and students. ... My documents are automatically saved (with versioning) every time I make a change."
That works great for students ... until they happen to pull their flash drive out of the USB socket at the moment it happens to be auto-saving, and their whole thesis document gets corrupted. Thankfully there are backups of anything important, right? Judging by the number of catastrophes I've directly observed in the computer labs around here, auto-save does nothing compared to thoughtful file naming (e.g., with the date in it), some understanding of where the files are going (local hard drive, external drive, or network drive) and a backup plan. Half the time students don't even know where the file is being saved, and simply "lose" it somewhere in the filesystem, or accidentally overwrite their new work with old work when copying files around.
What you've got is not a generation of students that don't have to worry about control-S anymore, but a generation of students who are too clueless about how computers and file saving works to realize how bad their habits are. This will foil any attempt at automatically dealing with the problem. There is no technical solution for a bit of education about how it works, because current systems are not quite at the point where file organization doesn't matter. We're not there yet. Autosave is a crutch that isn't particularly helpful.
The Ctrl+S habit is actually a really bad one to have when you grew up doing reports in Word and then go to a job which is all coding in VIM via Putty, where Ctrl+S just causes your terminal to freeze.
:w
"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde
Seriously... comparing a time when storage space was a limited resource and disc accesses would take quite a few seconds for just a few kbytes to today when write speeds are 30-300MB/s (even a few mb/s for wireless) and storage space is almost unlimited is worth an article?
The only part of this that is newsworthy is how 'autosave' is more needed because computers & software have become less reliable over the years.
Excuses that no longer work:
My floppy disc isn't working
My computer blue screened before I saved
My e-mail was down
I don't know why your computer can't read that format
Every excuse I ever used to get a day's reprieve could not work now.
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
Derr, nevermind. You were saying the same thing. The - threw me off.
"Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde
It used to be that I could open a file and muck with it and only when I decided the changes were worthy would I "save" or "save as" the file. But now before making any changes I have to decide what the future of the file is -- will this be a heavily modified copy, or a revision, or a scratchpad? What if I mess up and ruin the file -- does the version control work, can I get back to my old copy? When exactly was the document in that state I cared about? How fine grained is this autosave/version-control mechanism? Is it per character typed or line drawn? Having basic save points in a game is fine because the game designer chooses when they should occur and, frankly, its a game so replaying some aspect of a level isn't the end of the world. Its a totally different situation when you gotta figure out exactly where in deeply technical code/spreadsheets etc you need to (or have been forced to) revert to.
In my opinion this move is a horrible thing. I hate it.
Once upon a time in a far away land I was pounding away at my Apple ][. I forgot to save and lost an hour and a half of work. That was the best mistake I ever made. Since then I have always saved, made backup copies, sent the text to myself on email, written a CD/DVD, saved to a thumb drive, and so on. An hour and a half was a very cheap loss to have, if I was forever safe thereafter.
Autosave still has not cured me. I will still CTRL-S every few lines. Even with autosave on CAD I will still do other saves. Still, my paranoia does save me.
Not so long ago, I discovered that several years of engineering files had been vanished. We had paper copies but still that loss was annoying.Turns out that I had made a backup of that file set and it was found in my home cache of "work" disks. I slept better.
No longer do we have to have constant interruptions to worry about whether our changes are saved
Why would you interrupt your flow of work to save a document? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. What I got into the habit of doing was hitting Ctrl-S after each thought. The thought was then saved and I thinking about what to write next anyway. Autosave doesn't know when I actually want to commit my changes and it could happen in the middle of an edit (say cut and paste to move some text around). If I lost power at that time I would rather have the unedited version of the document than the one with my precious text cut out of it and then lost in the event of a power failure.
Apple users don't Control, they Command you insensitive clod!
... when GNU Emacs had auto-saving and backup versioning at any keystroke granularity you liked thirty years ago. Next we celebrate the boon of split screen editing.
Games that autosave only on checkpoints is a hangover from old consoles that didn't have the memory to allows gamers to save when they wanted to. Why this horrible restriction continues to perpetuate to modern PC games is beyond me. It's a throwback and it's annoying.
I can hear some people saying "It forces suspense in the game! You don't know when the next safe place is!". If you want that kind of suspense, let the game auto save for you. Personally if supper is ready I don't want to have to tell my wife "Wait, I know there must be an auto save waypoint around here somewhere, hold on while I play for another 5 - 10 minutes looking for it!" I want to hit cntl-s, quit, and go have supper.
Is it so hard to put 'save when you want' in to a game?
end-of-rant
For public work docs we put together. I was trying to hit "Alt+F, S" to save everything for quite a while.
I personally don't like the change because not every piece of software behaves that way (yet), and that leads to confusion.
I also like having control over what is saved and when for a reason. Maybe I don't want some server having every thought I've ever had (and then deleted later because it was a bad idea, such as an angry email you never sent) stored somewhere in "Big Data". Imagine the psychological profile that someone could build about you with everything you ever typed anywhere in any Google product, Facebook, Twitter, etc...
With that said, I get why most people don't have such paranoid thoughts. It's all about convenience.
Many years ago, I lost some changes in a vi clone named "stevie". The real vi saved your changes automatically by the simple (and at the time necessary) method of using a file to store your edit buffer, but stevie used an in-memory edit buffer. After it losing enough changes from that, I decided to write my own vi clone, "elvis", which also used a file to store the edit buffer. This was very handy in the early days of Minix (predecessor to Linux) which had only a 64K address space per process -- it allowed you to edit text files larger than 64K, oooooh!
There are several issues here. I am offended that some operating systems have hijacked ascii characters to use for meta functionality... ie: ^C, ^V, ^S... ie: I want the same copy/paste key sequences in all of my apps, but I can't have that. I can't remap firefox to use Alt-C/Alt-V for copy/paste or Alt-T for 'new tab'... For those of us who live/work/survive in terminal windows, we want a consistant user interface... This consistancy is (for the most part ) on OS X.
But in terms of the article in question, yeah.. What I really want is more disconnect between my editing window and my compiler/debugger.
Obviously this guy isn't a fan of Bethesda games, if he thinks so highly of autosave.
Just wait until you lose an hour of progress because you didn't save before getting smoked by a high-level troll at the bottom of that dungeon.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
ctrl-S is still alive and well and suspending most things.
Did this just happen?
Ctrl-S/Ctrl-Q still work in my terminal windows. I'm not sure how useful it is as my response time can be slow enough that it doesn't usually let me stop the text display in time when I see something I want to take a closer look at. (Setting up a whopping big scrollback memory helps with that, though.)
CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
Undo levels to zero, no saving. Live in the moment, on the edge. No turning back, it's all in.
That's a command we can use? I usually just hover the mouse at the top and click the big save button.
Jesus and Buddha sit down for a typing contest. Both are given a lengthy paper document, and have to type it into their respective computers. The contest starts, and they're neck-and-neck the whole way. When they're both almost done, a lightning bolt comes down from the sky, and both computers crash. Who wins the contest? Jesus, of course. Jesus saves.
Only if you're finished. If you're still working but want to save your progress, :w is what you want.
I was writing a long winded post about how the days of 'ctrl-s'ing every 10 seconds are finally gone, but I lost it all after my computer crashed.
APK, you are retarded. Shut the fuck up, you idiot. Die in a fire.
Many webforms will save drafts of whatever data I'm entering
But not slashdot.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Maybe now we'll have to think before we write.
The very act of externalizing something is part of the writing process. The idea that one who might think it all out and then type/code/compose/whatever a perfectly formed document/program/concerto/whatever only really exists in the imaginary Mozart that lives in Peter Schaffer's mind.
Besides, I prefer to save my work at defined points. Just because the system can recreate what I was doing where I left off before that dead battery/power failure/segfault/system crash/emergency phone call doesn't necessarily mean I can.
I am not a crackpot.
I sometimes wish there was a CTRL-S in real life. I often times speak before I think. My colleagues seem to appreciate my unfiltered honesty. At least that's what they tell me. My wife on the other hand, not so much sometimes.
I hate autosave. Its one of the first things I turn off in any editor.
Over many years I have developed an optimal workflow of trying changes and only saving when I'm completely happy with it, so by not saving I can easily go back to the last good version.
Autosave that saves at regular time periods or whatever totally ruins that. I don't want earlier versions automatically overwritten, especially with work-in-progress changes, nor do I want multiple versions saved so I then have the hassle of figuring out *which* version to go back to, and possibly on-top all the manual housekeeping of regularly having to manually clear out multiple old versions.
I totally had first post on this one, but I found out I actually have to click both a preview button and submit button for it to save to this forum.
Perhaps you've heard of a thing called a power outage. I just had one last night.
Your laptop's battery or your desktop's UPS should have kept the machine running long enough for an orderly shutdown.
since it was Commodore-s on GEOS.
Mostly random stuff.
Cool bird trick.
...but no we have automobile correct on our spilling.
Ok, seriously, what we are seeing is just another incremental step in mass-computing. One of the many millions of cool things that have happened since the beginning of computing.
Years ago (Pre-Fidonet), one of the almost daily "Big Things" was that you could actually have a "Disk Operating System" where you didn't have to type call -151, then c600g to actually load a program. No Play on Tape. Just turn the computer on. It was cool.
If we go further back, no punch cards (before my time), and no acoustic couplers (also before my time). Must've been cool!
Still, management tools aside, if only there was a switch/router operating system that maintained automatic revisions at the command-line.
Autosave without revert bit me years ago. Before I could afford a "real" laptop (which cost several times as much then as they do now), I was trying to use NewtonWorks on an Apple MessagePad 2000 as a substitute. I lost work when I accidentally removed a lot of text and it decided to autosave. Worse, that program had only one level of undo, with Cmd+Z toggling between "Undo" and "Redo". That doesn't help if you make a mistake and then do something else after your mistake.
It didn't even occur to me that there would be no auto-save until my character died about an hour into the game. I don't think I own any game from the past several years that does not auto-save.
Earth to APK: Please do not duplicate your comment in replies to every single other post by a user.
Not sure which IDE "automatically commits". You probably can configure most of them to do it but does it do it smartly? I don't want to have to sort through a commit for every keystroke or one made at every arbitrary point (like every 5min). What is the chances it will compile? What are the chances any commit will have a complete step? I suppose you could trigger it from build events or better from when your unit tests run and pass but that wouldn't be automatic any more. Similar for word processors.
mmmm needs more bold and italics pls
Look at iOS - how many apps have a "save" button at all? It's expressly discouraged from the Human Interface Guidelines
With no Save, how do you Revert? Or do Apple's Human Interface Guidelines for iOS expect applications to offer unlimited undo/redo that persists across reboots of the device?
There is still one program where I regularly regret not using ctrl-s often enough. Mathematica.
Obviously CanHasDIY doesn't play roguelikes. Roll a new character and start over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
That is one of the very nice things about MacOS X -- since it uses the Command (clover) key for menu shortcuts, that leaves the Control key sequences available for emacs-style editing commands, which work almost everywhere.
Under Linux, I'm never sure whether Control-F will move forward, or bring up the "Search" dialog...
Earth to tepples: Don't feed the trolls, you tool.
Ctrl-S was always for pausing the display, I didn't know it was also saving anything - must have been some social engineering on the part of the NSA to make it save my work also. In any case, I prefer saving things at the points of my choosing on my own media. The real issue today is where does it save it? It's one thing to have a temp copy on hardware and media in your possession but something entirely more ominous if all the steps in your works-in-progress are being journaled forever in some corporate or government database entirely outside of your control or knowledge with only the appearance of "it's just a copy for your own good."
This wasn't an APK post. You dumb fuck. Any idiot can see that's not his writing style.
My XBox 360 had an autosave to cloud function. Only then that copy became corrupt. There were no other cloud copies. I had to start the game all over again after putting in many, many hours. I learned to periodically rotate between save multiple checkpoints to disk and periodically save to cloud.
"Love heals scars love left." -- Henry Rollins
Everyone else takes 2d8 damage
+1
When did it stop meaning that. I just pressed ctrl-S and my output was suspended. I pressed ctrl-q and it resumed.
XOFF ignored, mumble mumble.
yes.. cuz they don't want you saving at a point just before a boss for example...
so you can keep farming him until you get the drop you want... or...
so you don't return to a certain point after dying...
Let's be realistic here. Most of the time the document you are saving is crap, no need to save at all. Just move on, nothing to see here.
If your terminal window is connected to a Unix-like system, this would be true. The TTY sub-system scans each character typed and if the flow control characters are found, output is paused/resumed. (depending upon your stty/termio settings, of course; IXOFF must be enabled. If IXANY is also enabled, then any character will resume data flow.)
They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Autosave has been a standard feature of every editor I have used for decades and the first thing I do is disable it.
There are a variety of reasons for this depending on software. Weird temporary files littering folders. Wasting time/bandwidth. Freak outs when replacing storage or network interruptions. Not wanting contents of temporary markups written anywhere.
I understand people find these features useful yet I see no value in it.. saving requires no conscious effort.
More importantly TFA's version control theme is lame. Why would you version control all intermediate garbage? This would seem to me to be extremely counterproductive for cases where revision history is to be at all useful.
How does this 'desktop' relate to frames, windows and buffers?
Had to chuckle at the "In my day" reference. Those of us old enough to have started our careers on mainframes already had autosave features, decades ago. It wasn't until these Fisher-Price PCs came along that such functionality disappeared. I love how all these young propeller-heads think that autosave is a recent phenomenon. Welcome to 1980, you awesome computer wizards.
Yes, but this helps illustrate the reason I dislike people learning to rely on "auto save" or "auto recovery" features.
If you've ever done support in a corporate settings for MS Office, you're undoubtedly run across people who claim one of the products crashed in the middle of using it, and they're unable to recover their work after the machine was rebooted.
Initially, everyone says, "No worries! Office auto-saves a copy to recover from in case of a crash!" -- and it does, except when it doesn't because whatever went wrong clobbered the portion of the code that was supposed to do the auto-saving (or some sort of network issue prevented getting a good auto-save on a shared folder it was targeted to save on).
At least with a known requirement that you either save your work, or you'll risk losing it -- saving tends to be a task the user pays more attention to. If the save fails due to a disk full error or anything else, they immediately see the correlation. "I just hit save, and this error popped up. That tells me the error is definitely related to the saving process I just tried to do - and I better figure out what went wrong, or my stuff won't be saved!" The auto save may generate errors too, but users tend to just find them annoyances interrupting their work on the document at hand, not realizing they're related to the auto-save failing.....
Hallo :w
I still use Ctrl-S for that purpose occasionally. The rest of the time Ctrl-S is bound to isearch by default. I was honestly confused about what Ctrl-S meant in this article until I realized it is what Notepad used.
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Well now we have "my dog at my mobile device".
Yeah, there's no bold. Geez.
Unity? Screw that: XFCE. Slashdot Beta? Screw that: SoylentNews. Australis? Screw that: Pale Moon. UX developers DIAF
I'm a designer and most of the time when I'm starting a new design for a specific client, I open an older file and use it as a starting point. I hate the idea of autosaves overwriting my OLD work when all I really wanted to do was use it as a starting point. I guess I'll just have to consciously save the new file as soon as the older file is opened. I don't welcome this change.
Can't you at least come up with something original?
I've been using computers for over 30 years and have never once used this keystroke.
Is it telling that I ran across this article twice and both times thought "What's the problem? just hit Ctrl-R and get on with it!" Now what's this "application" you speak of?
Will you own up to your mistake? I'm sure that when you were young, Mommy always told you it wasn't your fault nobody at school liked you. Now, you're perfectly certain that you've done nothing wrong, so I'm guessing "no". You're incapable of the emotional maturity such an act would take. Your entire ego is based on the idea that everything is someone else's fault. Seriously, did Daddy abuse you physically, or just emotionally?
Even more obscure: ESC, Transfer, Save.
Still using it. Thanks, Charles.
I come here for the love
ASCII Device Control 3, 0x13, Ctrl-S is pretty unlikely to go away before the rest of the ASCII code does.
I'm guessing that the law and the courts aren't as kind as your Mommy. They won't hold you close and listen to your crying, assuring you that it's all those mean kids' fault, will they? Tell ya what - have your Mommy post here about how her little darling committed suicide because of all us mean people drove him to it. You've done it before. Only - have her do it with a registered account this time. I could almost think you posted that yourself.
I appreciate Office applications saving pretty often.
But Crtl-S and Crtl-Alt-S (Save all Files) in Visual Studio are bread and butter to me.
I recently UXed a metadata explorer for the iSeries mainframe (Winform app), and it initially autosaved every change the user made (after validation of course). All three initial testers either asked how to save or if the data was being saved.
We updated the application, putting a Save button (that turns red when a data value is changed) on the main form (and a menu option - File->Save, and Ctrl-S support - three ways to save) and the issues went away (we add various "Save your work" steps to the UX script).
Some apps are expected to save incrementals (via user experience if nothing else), others are not. UX, I believe, is the key to determining where auto-save is appropriate. I specifically learned that auto-save and database analysis software don't go together...
BlameBillCosby.com
M2C thats really scary, first I dont want everything I type saved, secondly I prefer my commit-log not to be spammed to oblivion.
I'm used to just randomly hitting Ctrl+X then Ctrl+S in emacs when I pause and my fingers have nothing better to do. Semi-frequently, I do this in other applications without even realising I just did it, with various mildly weird results...
Humorously with all the posts I'm going to associate APK with little boy porn for a while now. :-/
[John]
Shit better not happen!
ROTFLMAO http://slashdot.org/comments.p... You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.
ROTFLMAO http://slashdot.org/comments.p... You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.
ROTFLMAO http://slashdot.org/comments.p... You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.
The newest version of Blender just added a feature to tell you if you have unsaved work before exiting the program. Before, it would just exit without any kind of warning. Blender used to be very crash-prone and in recent versions it's been far more stable, and this has led to less stringent saving practices of new users, and much work has been lost. Now that it reminds you 'hey, you didn't actually save this thing', it's a little more difficult to toss away 5-6 hours of modeling work just by clicking the little X.
>> My IDE commits code changes automatically.
Really? Checks into source control as you type? Builds if you stop typing? What? (I know what Visual Studio and Eclipse do...what ARE you using?)
Emacs FTW!
Computer simulation made easy -- LibGeoDecomp
A LOT of content these days is saved on the web. I type a lot of things on the web now, and lose quite a bit because often times there's no save feature at all, just post. At any time I could want to reference another browser window, have the browser crash, or accidentally close the window and lose everything I'm typing. That happens a lot, and I doubt I'm the only one.
In fact, with the web I lose a LOT more than I ever did 20 years ago, since the save features are rare, and auto-save is non-existent. I find myself using desktop apps less and less. Why would I open up Word for instance? The last time I used a word processor was editing my resume. Even that's a little anachronistic, but there's currently not a good alternative.
And no, I'm not even "the younger generation". But the point being, the web hasn't caught up to the desktop at all in terms of not losing content.
AccountKiller
Well, the Apple/Command key is really just a meta key in the end. It's just that Apple realized it should be used for shortcuts.
Of course, Microsoft didn't have that luxury as IBM decided to make a keyboard without a meta key for their PCs, and thus some bright spark at Microsoft decided to use Ctrl-C/V/X/Z instead.
It's so bad that Ctrl-V is remapped to Ctrl-Q on the Windows version of Vim.
Anyhow, I think autosave is nice, but only coupled with Apple's implementation of it. Basically it versions each autosave so you can go back in time and see it how it was at various stages, including being able to cut/copy/paste from the old version to the new.
Because otherwise, autosave is handy when your computer or the app crashes, but you can lose a lot of state information when you just have the current working copy saved.
(Setting up a whopping big scrollback memory helps with that, though.)
One of my biggest gripes with most modern terminals, the scrollback buffer is uselessly small in the default configuration. Mac OS X is the only system where I don't feel the need to modify it literally the first time I do "cat /var/log/something"
Memory is not an issue for a graphical terminal on a desktop. There's no good reason for terminals to be defaulting to 200 lines anymore.
I used to get high on life, but I developed a tolerance. Now I need something stronger.
It's Google!
If Google queefed slashdot would have it's nose instantly up Google's vagina, inhaling as much as physically possible.
"you didn't have to type call -151, then c600g to actually load a program."
That booted DOS from a drive attached to slot 6. PR#6 was easier.
To run from tape, you did "LOAD", then "RUN" in BASIC.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
As Mr. Miyagi might have said, X On, X Off.
RETURN without GOSUB in line 1050
Ctrl-S stops text from scrolling on my terminal. I don't see how auto save helps with that.
what ? it still works in tty.
The standard editor on Tandem NonStop machines (Tedit) to this day is a 'live save' editor with an infinite undo buffer that saves every keystroke to multiple file write processes across multiple CPUs. When you really, really need the code you're writing to be available. AFAIK, it's been this way since the NonStop II circa 1981.
Reflect on what you've written when you commit.
I would be lost without it.
http://michaelsmith.id.au
Is there really a point to this crappy article? Other than to state the the author is lazy shit and feels that his opinions rule over everyone elses?
Get a life you loser! AND SLASHDOT, either get something worth reporting on or just don't publish this shit.
That's how it always has been and always will be.
I work without fear of losing progress in all of the numerous applications I use (pedestrian, scientific, graphical, audio, etc.).
This is with the singular exception of MS Office Applications. They still crash and lose one's input on a regular basis. I save after every sentence I type. This is a behavior developed through many agonizing losses thanks to buggy MS apps. PPT will still corrupt its own files, so I end up with 10-20 versions of the same presentation, simply out of fear for PPT mangling its own files.
NOTE: I have no choice but to use MS Office Apps, as everyone else does.
I had a really awful day today .. when all work was down my Office crashed and I lost some of my work and I had to deliver all in a few minutes. Ctrl+s is a habit we must keep :)
Ciprip
www.consultantahr.ro
Your're still using "Esc"? ctrl-c is where the money is (one more keystroke, but closer to home row)
whaaa whaaa whaaaa. Mouse >>>>>> Keyboard. End of story. You lost bro. Come to grips with it!
Telling libelous lies about apk you had to admit were lies http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> Yes folks - there's NOTHING quite like making a snivelling little libelous weasel like mmell GROVEL & EAT HIS WORDS, lol!... apk
No, I think "Power outage" are these moments where the lights in all rooms suddenly go dark, and you grab the screen you were looking at and use it as a make-shift light source to find your way.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
Only if you're finished. If you're still working but want to save your progress, :w is what you want.
Even if you're finished, :wq is more mnemonic.
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Nothing beats (1) timestamped backups or (2) manually versioning your file name (XXX1.doc,XXX2.doc,XXX3.doc) to preserve your thought evolution.
Well, git beats it, on the ground that you local clone still has the same roll-back history, but without polluting everything with tons of silly name, specially after one version has gone through an e-mail trip.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org do exactly the same.
And I'm sure that at least a few /.ers have taken git and applied it as form of "edit undo history" stored on non volatile support.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (1 of 2)
Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (2 of 2)
THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when VI can't?
* Please... lol!
APK
P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk
This is another case of "I do not use it hence nobody in the world uses it". Several apps do not have the feature for auto save (design programs as example) so we need to use control-s often. But well you can find lots of examples of this kind like "I do not burn CDs hence nobody in the world uses it", "I do not print pages hence nobody in the world uses it", ""I do not use a fax hence nobody in the world uses it" and "I do not use Windows hence nobody in the world uses it"... Yes the last one is your wet dream, kiddos. ;)
What autosave seems to miss is that deliberately NOT saving something is an active choice at times. If I have a document - a graphics file say - and I want to just try a quick experiment but don't intend to permanently change the file, then that's my active choice. But autosave subverts that, making the 'experiment' far from quick, and a lot more long-winded. You have to duplicate the file or open a copy, or else undo or back out the change afterwards. It's much more work.
An app we develop (Mac) provides a preference so that you can opt-out of the system's standard autosave and do it manually. It's proved to be an extremely popular feature.
!= Good Nutrition http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
...life without Ctrl-S. Every time I write a paper or anything else in a word processor, I hit ctrl-S out of habit virtually every time I finish a sentence, paragraph, or what have you. Multiple times. Just in case.
Mouse click in a dos box suspends output allowing you to srcoll up/down, hit enter to resume.You have to be quick if you're using the default buffer size.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
And Git is missing enough features that could make it the wrong tool for the job.
Don't give me wrong, Git is an OK tool .... a hell of a lot better than CVS or SVN. But just like the two I mentioned, its missing a lot of features that enterprise project require.
Earth to tepples: He has every right to defend himself vs. sockpuppet downmods of his posts that way.
No longer do we have to have constant interruptions to worry about whether our changes are saved — but at the same time, we don't have that pause to take a moment and reflect on what we've written. I'm sure we've all had moments where our hands hover over a save/submit button before changing our minds and hammering the backspace key. Maybe now we'll have to think before we write."
Naw, ship, I never fscking gave a ship about reflecting on what I'm fscking posting.
Oh fsck a dfsck, I just realized, I shouldn't have clicked submit.
So I make typos while writing the code and that's checked in? and I correct the typo and that's checked in? and then I realize I don't even need to add that extra subroutine in my code, so I remove all that, and that's checked in? and then i add a comment somewhere and that's checked in? and then i change a word in the comment and that's checked in?
WHAT!?
It stopped meaning that in browsers and many windowed applications when Windows hotkeys started to creep in because the linux desktop wanted to provide a shallow learning curve for transitioning users. On top of all the other bullshit they've done to mess up text entry in the URL bar for people who can actually type, not providing an easy switch to choose a bash/emacs keybinding style bugs the hell out of me. Not sure exactly what CTRL-K supposedly does but it sure doesn't cut the line off.
Someone had to do it.
Does the latest version of Windows save the contents of an unsaved running Notepad, so if the system were to crash, Notepad would open up with the "unsaved" contents on your next login? I know Mac OS X does that with TextEdit (similar to Notepad), and Windows XP never did it. Not sure about Windows 7 or 8.
Now it's Shelve / Commit.
But even that might be history soon as I already have seen some auto-shelve plugins for my IDE.
Privacy is terrorism.
CTRL-S still suspends scrolling on my terminal now just like it did in 1997 on Slackware. What nonsensical software is the author using?
:w or :wq writes the file even when nothing has been changed. :x only writes when there was a change. :x only, so that file modification dates are not touched when no change was made.
ZZ or
It is better to get in the habit of using ZZ or
It is not really required to "just save your progress" as vi does that anyway. When it (or the system) crashes you
can normally recover your file from the tempfile it creates. Writing the file is only required when you want to pick it up in
some other program but not want to leave the editor.
Wrote an online 3rd-party app for a game from CCP Games, where I explicitly designed it to automagically update the server when people entered data - there was no need for, or way to, save things.
People helping out testing came back and asked, "How do we save things? Where is the save-button?"; apparently, the idea that things are saved continuously confused people.
From that experience, I concluded 2 things:
1) All apps should save progress automatically where possible (and sane)
2) I should use Alpha/Beta testers, that whine less
Losing data due to autosave of an accidentally modified version hinders "them [from] hav[ing] that positive user experience." Full undo history since day one ameliorates this hindrance. Automatic backup and data location transparency would in theory "help[] them have that positive user experience", but I'm not yet fully convinced as to how willing most people are to suffer a recurring fee for storage on someone else's server, a recurring fee charged by the ISP for data transferred between a device and someone else's server during backup and restore, and user interface complexity in determining how each saved revision relates to others.
Ctrl-S in an xterm suspends terminal input, and the characters you type aren't echoed back or acted on by the shell. Ctrl-Q resumes terminal input. So if you type Ctrl-S followed by "ls Directory", nothing happens and nothing appears in the terminal. But if you then type Ctrl-Q, the "buffered" command executes.
This rather nifty featured unfortunately was broken by the Gnome developers. Ctrl-S does nothing inside the Gnome terminal emulator. This still works in a traditional Linux/Unix terminal, as well as xterm.
It takes me a fraction of a second, and near zero thought, to save my work when I am pleased with it. All I want from autosave is a separate backup, to prevent automatic data loss (optionally with all the undo information). I don't want it autosaving half-edited files, especially not in code, nor halfway through a copy-paste in anything. When I hit save as, I don't want the file autosaved before also saving it with a different name.
Sure, people get burned when the computer eats their unsaved data. But that only happens once per person. Now I even save rather large posts on the internet, if only in my copy/paste buffer, before posting them since on occasion the website or my internet connection chokes on my data. This would actually be a nice place for a browser input box autosave, since I don't usually want to bother saving these (or rather the "save" process is posting on the internet and is sometimes unreliable).
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Must've been even worse after you left school. The workplace was going to be better - only it wasn't. Sure, the bullies couldn't pin you into a corner and pull your underwear up over your head anymore, but now it was even worse. Your coworkers and even your bosses were all friends, all members of the same "in" club which never let you in back in school. You're still smarter than all of them; they couldn't even begin to understand most of your ideas - so instead, they just refused to listen. No matter how superior your ideas were, your bosses kept saying things like "not best practices" and "industry standards" and things like that. They couldn't even begin to understand how superior your knowledge of computers was, so they conspired to lock you out. Your coworkers always seemed to get credit for your best ideas, leaving you the blame for anything which they couldn't make work. The bosses wouldn't listen; they are part of the conspiracy to keep you down, keep you from ever rising to the heights you deserve. Your Mom couldn't even help you anymore. You're alone. Still helpless, still being bullied by people who don't even understand a tenth of what you know about computers. You try at great length to get them to understand how superior your ideas are only to be told your ideas aren't "scalable" or "manageable". When you demonstrated for your employers how superior your ideas really are, they couldn't understand and found excuses like "due diligence" and "reliability". They used "best practices" as an excuse to not bother to understand your genius, your brilliance.
That's when it happened, isn't it? That's when you started work on your magnum opus, on the software that would make them all shut up. Only it didn't work that way, did it? They laughed at you, perhaps they even threatened to fire you if you didn't start working "with the team", a euphemism for pretending to be as stupid as they were. It was the schoolyard all over again, but no Mommy or Teacher in sight. This wasn't better, it was worse as you realized that all you could do was bite your tongue and take it, just like you had to take all the humiliation from the bullies on the schoolyard.
Based on the extreme vehemence of your response, I'm even more certain that I've correctly described the worthless ends of your life in every detail. So now I'm curious - do you spend your nights lying awake dreaming of revenge all the time, of getting back at everyone that hurt you, getting back at the Daddy who just couldn't respect a gutless worm like you; or perhaps Daddy was doing more and now you're just too old to be any good even for that? Even the Police and the Courts wouldn't help you. They keep telling you there's nothing you can do, but you know it's just the same old bullies from school still trying to keep you from being recognized for your superior intellect. You couldn't sue anybody; the lawyers keep telling you that they won't take this on contingency, that you don't have a chance of winning in a court of law. Mommy loves you but she can't afford to buy a lawyer to chase a lost cause. Now you're truly alone; even your Mommy doesn't understand or believe you. So now you live in your New York flat; your neighbors avoid you. They say you're strange, that there's something off about you. They can all sense that you're different, and they're all scared of you for it. Well, not scared. Hostile. That's the word. Even here where you're not showing everyone up in class, they still don't like you. Nobody'll be your friend, there's nobody left you can turn to. Mommy won't even hold you like she used to. Daddy never did respect you anyway; but now he doesn't even want to be around you (probably a good thing for you). There aren't even teachers left to turn to. Nobody at work (assuming you can hold a job) will be your friend or even give you a chance. So you end up here. Tell me, do you masturbate while reading your spampo
I made the mistake of labelling his hostfile manager 'malware' by mmell (832646) on Sunday May 11, 2014 @12:53AM (#46970629) from http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
That's "eating your words" of libel, for sure, no denying it as it's right there in black & white.
Eating my words. Done long ago (as you've so conveniently pointed out). So tell me - when will you man up? Or did all the abuse you've suffered over the years render you incapable of even that much maturity?
I'm going to leave off of you for awhile. You've obviously suffered enough; and I'm not entirely sure your problems are all functional. I'm beginning to suspect an organic component, and I've just realized that I don't want to be the stressor that sends you off on a psychotic rampage in the real world (the tantrums you've thrown here are ample evidence that your mental stability is precarious at best).
Please - seek out professional help. You desperately need it.
We call it "eating your words" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
There is no "we". You're not fooling anybody by cheerleading yourself. Nobody has EVER taken your side. And nobody ever will.
wq! even
I've never used sockpuppets, etc. - despite your accusations to the contrary. However, your use of them is plainly known and understood. That's why you can't respond as a logged-in user - you can't risk losing or exposing your sockpuppets, isn't that right? They're your only "friends" in the world. Imaginary lovers, no doubt.
I don't suppose you understand the difference between admitting a mistake and "eating your words". Understandable in a person suffering from arrested development. I'd say you stopped emotionally maturing at about the age of thirteen. Please (please) - you don't need to tell anyone here, you don't need to tell anyone anywhere - but go find competent health care. Specifically, psychological or psychiatric care. Let's face it - many of our greatest authors, artists, composers, dreamers, doers, great thinkers - many of them have suffered from 'demons', from emotional or mental illness. I am truly sorry that I exposed what I am sure is a fairly accurate portrait of your life here on Slashdot. I really believe that with just a little help, just a little, you can have a vastly more satisfying and productive life.
Look, something as minimal as an employee assistance program can give you a lot of tools to improve your life. Honestly. They'll never tell anyone about what you share with them (unless you're a conspiracy theorist who sees NSA cabals in every corner). I'll never know. Nobody here will ever know. Your co-workers, your friends - none of them will ever know. You will be happier; you'll have an easier time maintaining friendships, forming relationships. Please - just go ask someone. A doctor, a priest, a friend. Anyone. It's no shame, but if you are ashamed it'll still be absolutely confidential. Please get some help.
Mike Mell.
A postscript: I truly do regret hurting you the way I did. I now recognize that your behavior is not mean or hateful, but rather the product of personal conditions which we as a society recognize and can help with. A programmer of your skill and abilities should not be marginalized for things which can be treated, corrected, fixed. Your code may or may not be genius; but until you can demonstrate emotional maturity only an imbecile will run it. Look, it doesn't even mean anything was truly wrong with you; but there are people out there totally prepared to do whatever is necessary to help you, to make you even more effective and capable. I'm not even asking you to commit to a course of action. All I'm asking is that you look into it? M
Habits. A lifetime of mistakes, repeated once more. I didn't do good. I have chosen never to be an agent of evil, yet here I have bent my intellect on the intentional harm of a human being. I only hope that I may be able to redeem this through honesty and honest concern.
'Scuse me - I have to go dine on ashes now.
... and what will happen to Ctrl-Q, then?
vim autosaves your stuff on a .swp file since 91 (possibly other editors have done something similar even earlier than that). I think that people who are not used to editors and software which auto-saves your work may overlap with people who needed to get up to change the TV channel.
Who needs the support of a million trolling liars when he has truth http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?
I've noticed you had to "eat your words" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?
You've been even slower to recognize you had to "eat your words" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Please get professional help.
M
I urge you once more to seek professional mental health care. Until you do, your software is unusable. You will not have respect. You need to learn appropriate public behavior, and I perceive clearly that will not happen until you have received therapeutic help.
M
Probably true, but what's the problem with using less? It has a ton of useful features, and many useless ones as well.
Still works for me (cmd.exe window in MS Windows).
--
MY FACE MY FACE oh god no NO NOOOO NT stop the angles are not real ZALG IS TO THE PONY HE COMES
Alexander needs our support and help, not to be banned. He can't help himself; but perhaps if we show him some kindness and courtesy he can ultimately get the help he needs.
I did that, & did INCREDIBLY WELL @ it: Have you? Let's compare:
Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61
(&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)
PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there
PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there
CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there
GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it
HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!
Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...
Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com...
It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge... or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker...
Which ended up fixing a "bug" for them later, here -> http://sourceforge.net/p/ultra... via its implementation (partially, NOT fully yet as I outline it & use in my applications such as this one -> http://www.start64.com/index.p...
----
What do I have to say about that much above? I can't say it any better, than this was stated already (from the greatest book of all time, the "tech manual for life" imo):
"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." - Corinthians Chapter 15, Verse 10
(And, because I got LUCKY to have been exposed to some really GREAT classmates, professors, & colleagues on the job over time as well)
---
* That's only a SMALL PARTIAL LIST of my favorites over time... how about you?
APK
P.S.=> You've got a HABIT of shooting your mouth off, being unable to back up your b.s. with your mouth writing checks your ass can't cash, & then "eating your words" in the end too -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
mmell gets "FruStRaTed" @ being shown up by apk and tosses names & libel then ends up "eating his words" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
I can't BE 'banned': Get THAT thru your microcephalic skull, & go finish "eating your words" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... boy!
Ad hominem attacks & libel etc.: You're no man. You're a frustrated LITTLE boy http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Typical bullshit lies from a bullshit artist named mmell that had to "eat his words" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
"I work writing software and administering systems for large enterprises" - by mmell (832646) on Sunday May 25, 2014 @11:46AM (#47087437)
LMAO - bullshit? Why?? First of all - My program's NOT a replacement for DNS as YOU SAID, stupid:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
(It actually works WITH DNS, shoring up its redirect security weaknesses, AND, eliminating problems when DNS goes belly up!)
(Damn, you are TOO EASY to catch in bullshit & lies - every single time... just way too easy!)
APK
P.S.=>
"You, on the other hand, are relegated to writing little tools which you can't even get hosted on US servers. Can't give you a list - NDA's and all." - by mmell (832646) on Sunday May 25, 2014 @11:46AM (#47087437)
Bwahahaha: Bullshit! Primarily those WERE my jobs for decades in the art & science of computing, writing MIS systems for companies in the Fortune 100-500 still running to this very day... bulletproof & bug free!
NOW - What I did in "side ventures" in freeware or shareware did well too -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
(Some even ending up as commercially sold code to this very day by certified MS partners, that did INCREDIBLY WELL @ Ms TechEd 2000-2002 no less as a FINALIST in its hardest category: SQLServer Performance Enhancement - so, how about YOU? )
Secondly - ANY 2 bit Network Admin WOULD know that, as well as a 1/2 decent software dev, so... WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL? Yourself?? apk
If insults and aggressive discourse are the only tools which you understand socially, I suppose we must blame your parents. It's not your fault, and while becoming an adult should make you responsible for your own actions, obviously this is not so.
Please seek psychiatric help at your earliest opportunity.
M.
You're still just a poor, abused child. Please get help soon - from a therapist, a priest, someone - or were you abused by priests too?
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Period...
(Everything you said indicates you're VERY POOR in skills, all shown in the link above...)
Your BIGGEST SINGLE PROBLEM = Your mouth writes checks your ass can't cash...
By the way: Are you a licensed psychiatric professional who has a formal examination of my "alleged mental state" according to YOU, "Dr. Quack - the 'SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /.'" (minus degrees in said psychiatric sciences as well)?
No??
Hate to tell you this, but... that's more libel from you, yet again... you're a fool.
APK
P.S.=> You "talk a good game" (yea, right - not even, see link above) & then when you're caught with your pants down, you begin your libelous illogical ad hominem attacks & then end up "eating your words" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ... piriful!
... apk
On the upside - at least you're vaguely varying the content of your posts. Perhaps you will eventually see the simple truth, that you need professional help.
M.
Funny how the rest of searches on MY NAME turns up tons of good things I've done ontop of actually being what you merely CLAIM (lies obviously judging by your poor tech skills already proven poor http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ) with some you won't find searching my name, but other wares I've done over time or was part of), eh?
By comparison?
You've got ZERO, because you are a trolling libeling zero!
Those "top ones"? Come on - you're a programmer (not) so you claim:
The results of "SEO" games from fools I've snuffed before had to *try* to resort to libeling me & after failing to take me on validly technically, nothing more - lol, worms!
(In fact? Hey - THEY ARE, just like you here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which is all scumbags like you, online or elsewhere, are capable of when CRUSHED in our shared field of computing... LIES, & Libel - how weak!)
It's plain by your EVASIONS that I've achieved THINGS THE LIKES OF WHICH YOU OBVIOUSLY CANNOT EVER ACHIEVE http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Done while you were in diapers probably (all while I was actually DOING what you merely 'claim' with NDA's etc. (bullshit) you do & on the side ontop of a day job coding or network administrating etc.)
APK
P.S.=> By the way, lastly - How'd "eating your words" taste?? http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Yes - as usual You brought that on yourself too, just like your tech screwups & false accusations in the 1st link above also... you're truly pitiful!
LMAO - All you have is LIBEL & LIES acting like a frustrated little petulant child when shown up by your betters in myself - period...
It's become apparent to me you're a weasel whose block I knocked off with facts vs your TOTAL bullshit, & you're not even worth my time (I will bookmarks this though, just in case you try to "play smart" again, just to expose you with it...)
... apk
QUESTION: Are you a licensed degreed psychiatric professional with a formal diagnosis of MYalleged mental state, according to YOU "Dr. Quack - the 'SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /.'"?
No??
* That's MORE libel from you if you don't possess those items to your name/credit, moron!
You're obviously insane: You don't consider the consequences of your actions or words, & that is a possible definition of insanity (& that's obvious by your feely libeling me continually, aggravated libel no less)... & for that I don't need a PhD in psyciatric sciences to KNOW you fit that definition.
Swallow your pride fool - I ate you alive techinically so BADLY that you're being reduced to childish lunacy like you're doing now? Please... lol, GROW UP!
APK
P.S.=> You're a FOOL - TOTALLY technically inept despite your claims of being a coder & network administrator professionally -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & "eating your words" too -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
... apk
"Heck, even the games I play have an autosave feature." And it is the most heated "feature" ever.
ctr-s is dead! Long live ctr-q!
Guilt by evasion on your part otherwise: QUESTION -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... so we can shed a little light on your utter LACK of credibility on yet another front!
More aggravated libel from you results in YOU calling me a pedophile too, ontop of a malware maker which THAT latter accusation you HAD TO WITHDRAW since you KNEW IT'S LIBELING ME Result? This: YOU - "EATING YOUR WORDS" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Just as I said - as well as now essentially claiming that I suffer from various forms of insanity etc. - et al... which I do not!
So I ask this question in the 1st link @ the top of my reply to you above!
( & I suspect you're NO licensed practicing professional psychiatric pro, + you have never diagnosed me in a professional psychiatric environs either)
See - without those items to your name/credit along with your accusations & other disparaging comments you made about me?
You are LIBELING me yet again!
(That makes YOU, very stupid!).
APK
P.S.=> You're also TOTALLY technically inept (so I seriously doubt your claim of being a coder & network admin, I AM ONE & have been for decades professionally, I can recognize liars like you a MILE out) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... as well as a libeler that had to "eat his words" - Since after all - Your big mouth that wrote checks you can't ca$h brought it on you, bringing it ALL on yourself in my exposing you for what you TRULY are: A serious liar, libeler, & loser online - lol!
... apk
Fact: You had to run - You can't even BEGIN to scratch this partial only list of MY favorites I've done http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You = "big talker" but NO ACTION or results of any decent note...
* Yet YOU claim to be a network engineer/admin + coder too -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
?
BULLSHIT - or you wouldn't have FUCKED UP LARGE so many times technically as you did vs. myself, ALL cited here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... the FIRST TIME I ever heard from "the trolling done ZERO 'ne'er-do-well' likes of YOU...", ugh.. disgusting!
APK
P.S.=> You're pitiful... apk
Typically, & NOW you're evading this question too? Yes http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* You are completely pitiful & remember: You have 1 yr. to wonder what I'll do, one way, or another (legally).
APK
P.S.=> Tell us how you're a network admin & programmer (lol, NOT), after this utter SCREWUP of yours -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & tell us how you can mock my wares, when YOU HAVEN'T DONE SHIT boy in comparison to myself from only a PARTIAL LIST I can produce -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Still works. Used it just last week. Now if you know what Esc-e means in the context of a very popular modem, I'd be impressed.
Honestly - I'd like to know WHAT gave you the idea to say something this stupid -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... about a program you clearly have NO IDEA/CLUE about in the 1st place.
Oh, your stupid statement of "no US server would host your ware" (etc.)? Plenty have, or do still. I don't CARE where the server is, as long as it works & is reliable.
Heck - the SECURITY COMMUNITY ITSELF hosts my ware HpHosts/MalwareBytes -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... recommending it as "the BEST OF ITS KIND", no less... so much for your libel you "ate your words on" you withdrew, eh?
APK
P.S.=> By the way: Start64.com where my ware's featured IS 1 of only 2 I know of that do that, & they in PARTICULAR specific not only "64-bit compatible" (like another one out there that does allow that, in other words, 32-bit apps are allowed there that run on 64-bit OS etc.), this one TENDS TO SPECIFY the app has to have a TRUE 64-bit version OR port of it (why I use them only, exclusively - they're 1 of a kind afaik, & the future)... apk
What on EARTH made you speak this falsehood about my program http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... which you clearly know NOTHING about?
APK
P.S.=> This, I have to hear... apk
Speak this falsehood from you about my program (which you clearly knew zero on) http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ?
* CLUE: I never intended it to be a DNS replacement, nor is it one...
(As you stupidity stated in the link above, hence my asking that question above...)
Again:
IF anything, it works WITH DNS, shoring up its redirection security issues OR being 'downed' issues also for end user consumers of DNS services (it also lightens loads on DNS too, bonus for admins of them I suppose...).
On the libel of myself, my wares (calling me a pedo, saying my ware = a malware, etc.) & me NOT being able to do anything about it? LOL, yea - ok. Wait & see, like I said.
APK
P.S.=> The answer to that question above though @ the outset of my reply here? THAT, I have to hear... apk
software save YOU
I Ctrl-S every time I make a substantial change to what I'm working on and I don't plan to stop. You can throw whatever kind of autosave feature you want in, but I'm not going to stop saving manually. I've seen too many people get burned by not saving and relying on autosave or not understanding what autosave is and what its limitations are.
The biggest problem I have with Ctrl-S is if I open an existing script with the intent of modifying it and forget to rename it before hitting Ctrl-S. That sucks.
n/t
jokes need to make sense to be funny, i find, but i do realise most others find otherwise.