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How Steve Jobs Outsmarted Carly Fiorina
HughPickens.com writes: Carly Fiorina likes to boast about her friendship with Apple founder Steve Jobs but Fortune Magazine reports that it turns out Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader. In January 2004, Steve Jobs and Carly Fiorina cut a deal where HP could slap its name on Apple's wildly successful iPod and sell it through HP retail channels but HP still managed to botch things up. The MP3 player worked just like a regular iPod, but it had HP's logo on the back and in return HP agreed to continue pre-loading iTunes onto its PCs. According to Steven Levy soon after the deal with HP was inked, Apple upgraded the iPod, making HP's version outdated and because of Fiorina's deal HP was banned from selling its own music player until August 2006. "This was a highly strategic move to block HP/Compaq from installing Windows Media Store on their PCs," says one Apple source. "We wanted iTunes Music store to be a definitive winner. Steve only did this deal because of that."
In short, Fiorina's "good friend" Steve Jobs blithely mugged her and HP's shareholders. By getting Fiorina to adopt the iPod as HP's music player, Jobs had effectively gotten his software installed on millions of computers for free, stifled his main competitor, and gotten a company that prided itself on invention to declare that Apple was a superior inventor.
In short, Fiorina's "good friend" Steve Jobs blithely mugged her and HP's shareholders. By getting Fiorina to adopt the iPod as HP's music player, Jobs had effectively gotten his software installed on millions of computers for free, stifled his main competitor, and gotten a company that prided itself on invention to declare that Apple was a superior inventor.
Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader
Why do you even post things anymore, timothy?
A, ya don't say.
seriously, timothy?!
Aside from the incomprehensibility of "...it turns out Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader.." anyone else find it curious that we suddenly see a deal between HP and Apple (that allowed a downward-trending computer mfg company to tie itself to the "big up and comer") spun as "Jobs OUTFOXED Fiorina"?
-Styopa
We're talking about Carly Fiorina here. So outwitting her isn't going to be that much of a feat...
So the takeaway is, Steve Jobs was a raging piece of s***. We already knew that. I'm glad that, despite him skating his way to the top of the transplant list due to his wealth and influence, he still died. F*** that a**hole.
They used to have a great work/life balance. I always took a full week of vacation off when I worked there. Now, the vast majority of my friends that work for Apple never take a day off because of the brutal schedules.
and you
But the more pressing question: What did Steve Jobs think of her face?
It'll be easier to make a list of people who hasn't outsmarted Carly Fiorina.
Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader
Why do you even post things anymore, timothy?
"Why do you even of things anymore, timothy?".
Fixed that for you.
She is gaining momentum in her campaign so we need to do something to slow her down. If the Republicans get a womanish person in the general election then we are in trouble.
on Windows.
The Late Steve would likely outfox Carly. Is there a requirement that the Republican presidential candidate must be living?
Jamaal Charles, the starting running back from Kansas City Chiefs, competed in the Special Olympics.
Windows
Your answer is right there.
I honestly wouldn't vote for her for that reason alone.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
What new version of the iPod was released shortly after January 2004? The shuffle? Mini? Nano? The next generation of iPod wasn't released until late 2005. Timothy, this story doesn't hold water.
That is how it should have been titled, and another reason to hate Apple.
It ran through an OSX emulation layer, that was half baked.
A three-legged cat could out-fox Carly Fiorina.
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You are welcome on my lawn.
There was a deal with Motorola too, to put a music player on a phone, which was limited to 100 songs or something. At the time I thought Apple came out ahead on that one.
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The Donald can do it. While he may have been humiliated by her on the face comment, he certainly exposed her when analyzing her reign @ HP.
Another example of Steve jobs being a sneaky asshole f**king people over, but somehow getting credit for being great.
When will the world wake up
HP didn't want to enter the music player gizmo biz, otherwise they wouldn't do the iPod deal to begin with. And not having Microsoft's music spam-ware on HP's PC's didn't hurt HP, it hurt Microsoft.
The only way it would hurt HP is if MS was contractually locked out from bribing HP to put the MS spam-ware on the HP PC's. But we don't know how much MS was willing to pay.
Table-ized A.I.
Why couldn't HP have stopped bundling iTunes after its next release?
The fact that these candidates are the best that we as a country can muster is pretty pathetic. I know we have really thoughtful and intelligent people in this country, but for whatever reason, they don't seem to be able (or want) to compete with the horribly inept batch of clowns that we inevitably get.
America is basically like a very badly run company (e.g. like HP). The mediocre rise to the top. Actually Carly seems exactly like the sort of president we deserve. She can speak well enough to disguise the fact that what she is saying is completely retarded. Compare this skillset to Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, and Trump, and it makes her look like a teacher in a room full of shitty kids.
Powerful you have become. The Timothy I sense in you.
What's amazing is that so many people around her didn't run the different scenarios in their heads and point out the flaws in her contract. Or they did and they didn't want to raise it with her.
Perhaps she simply doesn't respond well to being told she's made a mistake. So they didn't tell her for an easier life than have her rant and scream.
What licensee doesn't demand rights to future versions of the product?
plus advances warning of any new version,
plus clauses defining the type of product in case they change the name and claim its a different product....
plus 50 other micro details designed to ensure the company doesn't get stiffed!
Nice going, sharing an article meant to smear Carly and make her appear unfit for office. That's all this is, nothing else, and it's thinly veiled at that. But hey, the programmable and easily manipulated mooks out there will eat it up. They do as they're told and yet left feeling as if they're free thinkers, thinking for themselves... however in reality, it's those same rubes that are getting rolled on. They can't figure it out.
I dunno. If I had to choose between negotiating with Steve Jobs or Vladimir Putin, I think I'd pick Putin as the safer choice.
I personally believe that the Timothy are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have spellcheck and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children.
The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.
To the top executives, that's really the only question. They will happily load a company up with debt, execute massive stock buybacks to boost the share price, and to hell with the future and everyone else, I got mine.
So, did Carly get paid? If she did, it's perfectly understandable.
What's troubling is, if she didn't get paid, then she got owned, and getting owned so strategically like this is not a quality one would want in a national leader. Lack of strategic vision is very problematic. Merely being self-confident enough to be able to lead a large organization is insufficient for the presidency.
Thus gossip about a stuuuuupid presidential candidate's former business deal (from 2004) with an asshole who's been dead since 2011 - is suddenly click-worthy "news".
In other news... Pangea broke up. Suck it.
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I've been in IT 20 + years still don't get the whole cult of personality around Jobs. Its been said countless times but Apple has made their money off salve labor. Yet it seems to be celebrated I don't know but fuck you all. Carly fuck her to I worked at HP as she ran that country into the ground. What does all this mean - YOUR ALL SHEEPLE eating the same shit from 1980 - piece out loser
EGOTIST, n. A person of low taste, more interested in himself than in me.
.. is that she out-lived him, and can tap-dance on his grave.
Because it's programmed by Apple employees?
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
That was damned eloquent.
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@sexconker: "Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader/"
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'Why do you even post things anymore, timothy?'
I do wonder that myself, especially consider what isn't chosen from Slashdot Recent
I dunno. If I had to choose between negotiating with Steve Jobs or Vladimir Putin, I think I'd pick Putin as the safer choice.
Yeah, all things considered I'd say Putin wishes he was Jobs. I mean, the odds are pretty good that if Putin dropped dead tomorrow...there'd be a huge party on his grave right after his funeral...and it'd only not be replacing his funeral is because, well, appearances.
It's unlikely that even now you could manage to get anywhere near the same turnout for a party on Jobs's grave, even this long after his death. Instead, he has a mourning cult of personality that seems relatively healthy.
If you're going to compare to compare Steve Jobs to a Russian leader of the past century or so, try Lenin or Stalin. (I have across from me one of Stalin's distant relatives taking offense, though, because that's not fair to Stalin...)
This begs the question...
Did Carly may have outlived of by Apple's late leader?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Which is pretty standard in business.
I sure hope neither Fiorina or Trump gets the nomination. And Biden rather than Sanders or Clinton. Dr. Carson seems like a far more capable and thoughtful person. Cruz knows what he's talking about and has actually produced full workable legislation like a federal budget, whereas the other candidates only produced sound bites. There are several options better than Fiorina and Trump.
If I were in charge of HP after getting screwed over by Apple like that, I probably would have rolled out HP drivers that caused mysterious issues with iTunes. Let all HP users have their first taste of iTunes as glitchy software. Oh gee 1 million users now instantly hate your software. The ones that are smart enough to know it was HP causing the issue would also have uninstalled bloatware to begin with.
JOHN FUND: You, at Lucent, and at Hewlett Packard, began at the dawn of the internet era, seeing the possibilities of what that would bring. And here we are, 20 odd years after the World Wide Web, and we've created a marvelous industry, marvelous possibilities. The Obama administration has decided, this can't be left to its own devices, we need Net Neutrality. And even though Congress doesn't want it, and people in both parties in Congress don't want it, and the courts have blocked them consistently, they're moving forward of course with what they call executive action, which I call the divine right of kings. Uh, what do you think about Net Neutrality, and how should we fight it if we should?
CARLY: Well we should- it's ridiculous. We now have an FCC, deciding on a 3-2 vote, that the Internet will be regulated with 400 pages of legislation. Terrible idea. Terrible idea. Of course, the dirty little secret of that regulation, which is the same dirty little secret of Obamacare or Dodd-Frank or all of these other huge complicated pieces of regulation or legislation, is that they don't get written on their own, they get written in part by lobbyists for big companies who want to understand that the rules are going to work for them. And this is part of what people see. Look, crony capitalism is alive and well. Elizabeth Warren, of course, is wrong about what to do about it. She claims that the way to <airquotes>solve</airquotes> crony capitalism is more complexity, more regulation, more legislation. Worse tax codes. And of course the more complicated government gets- and it's really complicated now- the less the small and the powerless can deal with it. And so the big get bigger, the powerful get more powerful, the wealthy and the well-connected get more wealthy and more well-connected. I mean, that's a fact. It's what's happening. And it's partially why people feel so disconnected. So, the dirty little secret of those 400 pages of legislation in Net Neutrality was, who was in the middle of arguing for net neutrality? Verizon, Comcast, Google, I mean, all these companies were playing. They weren't saying "we don't need this," they were saying "we need it." And so, the only way to level the playing field, so that the small, the new, the entrepreneurial, the powerless, have a shot, is to reduce all this complexity. And meanwhile, while, you know, the big are getting bigger, we're crushing the small. So we're now for the first time in history, we are destroying more businesses than we are creating. We are destroying more businesses than we are creating- it's a terrible statistic. And it means that we're never going to get this economy growing and growing again, yes I had the great privilege of playing uh, important roles in Lucent and Hewlett Packard, but like most people I started out at a little company. I started out as a secretary in a nine-person real estate firm. My husband started out driving a tow truck for a family-owned auto body shop. Most Americans start in little humble businesses, which create 2/3 of the new jobs and employ half the people. So when we're crushing those little businesses, as we are every time we roll out a new, complicated piece of legislation or regulation, we're crushing the possibilities of this economy.
JOHN FUND: I grew up in Northern California, and part of the ethos was, reading about Hewlett and Packard starting their business in a garage.
CARLY: A garage. Two guys in a garage. By the way, Google started out that way too, in a dorm room. But they seem to have forgotten that. [audience laughs]
JOHN FUND: Well, uh, they have new friends in Washington.
CARLY: Yes, they do. Yes they do.
The transcript doesn't do it justice at all- her tics and mannerisms while shoveling this horseshit will make you want to smack her upside the head. Carly is a clueless liar- but I have to admit, I can never tell exactly when she's lying and when she's just being clueless.
She is gaining momentum in her campaign so we need to do something to slow her down
Slowing her down isn't necessary on slashdot. While we have a solid conservative majority in the slashdot user base, the overwhelming majority of slashdot conservatives will vote for whoever has the (R) after their name. In november if the ballot says Ghost of Ronald Reagan (D) vs Ficus Tree (R), the Tree will win the slashdot electorate by a landslide.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Sometimes I joke and say Steve Jobs didn't get sick with cancer. Cancer got sick with Steve Jobs.
A small salad bar can outfox her.
Carly Fiorina pretty much seemed to be doing all she could to destroy HP. When she bought Compaq she was already thought to be ready to be pushed out the door and many even suggested her main motive in doing so was to get the board to wait and see how that purchase worked out before showing her the door, buying her some more time. And it is worth remembering that the purchase of ailing Compaq brought little or nothing to HP that they didn't already have, and was at a higher price than even what the Chinese bought the IBM PC business for and renamed it Lenovo.
So the deal with Apple was bad for HP? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!
Not that I would consider her malicious. Beyond putting her personal income beyond the needs of HP and all the employees that got laid off, I would say most of what happened under her reign was just due to incompetence.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Steve jobs is for apks.apk says hoooooosts!!hoooosts!!hoooosts says the apk.You all Steve jobs' apks.
foxed that for you.
He caught the Mother ship way before her...yep.
When she talks about tech, she is clever enough to fool up to the 85th percentile. But when it's social issues, she comes across as a low grade moron. She is a walking disaster.
Powerful you have become. The Timothy I sense in you.
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In 1999, everyone was using Napster and such to freely share music and media. I honestly didn't think itunes would catch on since I thought as a generation we learned the power of the Internet to share free music. I thought the concept of charging for bits of information that cost nothing to copy would go out like the buggy whip lobby. I thought music would be distributed for free, and musicians would make their money on merchandising and concerts. So for itunes to be successful caught me by surprise too.
God spoke to me
She openly preached it, in fact..
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and people are lining up to pay tributes.. make movies.. what a travesty
Please state, explicitly, where she lied in the statement you posted.
yeah mr FUD lobber, give us more of your communist propaganda. the banksters wil reward your work !
trump is highly qualified exactly because the mainstream media badmouthes him. they fear for all their corrupt mechanisms of selfish enrichment. and they have bought themselves commie idiots like you.
Verizon and Comcast were not pushing for Net Neutrality and saying "we need it"; they were the principal forces opposing it, and they were the reason that FCC regulations were required to preserve it in the first place. They had plans for paid prioritization of traffic that would basically amount to charging websites for the privilege of not having their traffic throttled on the "last mile" link between the ISP and its customers. Google was diametrically opposed to this, as well as most small web sites and 3.7 million individuals who sent letters to the FCC.
The fact that an ex-CEO of HP, of all people, is pontificating about Net Neutrality while exposing her ignorance of even the most basic facts about who was involved and what sides they were on seems incredible. Was she merely confused herself or just trying to confuse everyone else? I have no idea.
So was Steve Jobs.
foxed that for you.
you mean you took something out of context and blamed Obama for something?
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This story seems to just trash Carly then anything else. Who cares, not the first time Apple got the best part of a deal and won't be the last. Apple almost always
comes out on top with deals. Look at how Apple bought Beats and HP was licensing Beats as a audio premium feature in its PC's. HP was also one of the first PC makers to embrace Chromebook's as a choice for its PC line. I think HP has always been open to selling whatever as long as they get a cut.
Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader
Why do you even post things anymore, timothy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKz_jPxS8XI
That's not the word I would have chosen. "Swindled" is a better way to put it.
Look, what you really, really do not want to do is resort to comparing something to Sun Microsystems, because Sun crashed and burned. If you have to bring Sun in to make another company look good, then that company is circling the bowl.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
today.
thanks for the link
Since you don't have any clue what the phrase "begging the question" means, and aren't willing to learn, then stop using it.
Once upon a time there was this thing called High Fidelity, and it wasn't just about sound quality. It also involved a certain level of expectation consumers placed on consumer products, standard features, lines that engineers dare not cross. Throughout the era of magnetic tape -- from giant reel-to-reels and cart machines used by broadcasters to the successful and long-lived boom box cassette, no one would have dared to introduce a product that could not record.
There were just too many reasons in those days why people would want to record their own sound. From children recording the family opening presents on Christmas morning ("open this first!") to playing 'radio announcer', making simple start-stop 'mix' tapes from favorite radio stations, recording lectures, meetings or conferences, even phone calls (remember the suction cup induction coil?), it was a staple of childhood and adulthood that at several key stages in life, for whatever reason, we would rely on these devices to capture and play back voices, acoustic music for entertainment or transcription. The AGC circuit and built-in electret condenser microphone were perfected through the the 70s and were standard on every portable tape system. As quality improved the only real feature tier was whether the device could record in stereo, and whether it could accept line inputs. But mono/AGC recording was a standard feature.
Then around 1980, things began to improve --- but also take a turn for the worse. The Walkman series was marketed aggressively with the promise of improved fidelity and portability, and in that initial design, a gambit:how would the consumer react to a playback-only device? A small measure of additional engineering, some re-tooling at modest cost, could have placed a 'record' button on the Walkman too. There was risk. But they had decided to play a new game, and undoubtedly some argued that the demand record capability, where it existed, would result in the purchase of an additional full-featured recorder. The gambit paid off. The playback Walkman became very popular, even to the point of becoming a high demand fashion accessory among the youth. I loved audio and gadgets but was never tempted to get a Walkman, its lack of record capability made it a damaged product and seeing it become popular made me uneasy in ways I can only describe now.
And so it was that for a great many households on countless Christmas mornings, a brain-damaged by design Walkman was unwrapped and in place of that second present --- the 10-pack of blank cassettes ("Open this one next!")... there was a half dozen pre-recorded music cassettes selected by the parents (at $10 a pop) that weren't quite what the kids wanted to hear, but never mind, they'll soon be spending their own money for more. Walkmans were expensive. No real cassette recorder under the tree this year. And so a record of the voices of the family on Christmas morning became a thing of the past, and as has happened many times in this era of "progress", something that was possible in the past was no longer in the present.
By slow and painful degrees, as popular read-only portable sound devices and the pre-recorded music to play on them sapped peoples' money, recording became the provenance of non-portable cassette decks owned by those serious money to spend. And along the way, collateral damage was done as the average person 'lost' the ability to, on impulse, record voices or music or the spaces around them. Wouldn't it be bizarre if you could point to a period in history where people, modern literate people, stopped carrying around pen and paper, stopped writing things down as they had before? In which a certain cultural forgetfulness arose? That is how I feel about the practical 'loss' of our ability to record cassettes.
And so it was some twenty years later when Apple hit the second and third round of iPod design. Apple had none of the excuses, and was taking none of the risks that Sony had taken b
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In november if the ballot says Ghost of Ronald Reagan (D) vs Ficus Tree (R), the Tree will win the slashdot electorate by a landslide.
Considering how far (R) has shifted to the right since the 80's the party would immediately declare the Ghost of Ronald Reagan to be a Dem. That and declare him satanic.
The version from the announcement was the 3rd Generation (in Blue), but HP ended up selling the 4th Generation, Mini, and Shuffle, right alongside Apple. When the iPod Photo was launched, HP got it too. It seems like someone is drinking some sort of flavor aid, instead of actually checking facts, and bashing Mr. Jobs and Ms. Fiorina without cause.
Is everyone on slashdot completely dumb? Hint: do you think these repeated obvious mistakes are accidents? And if not, what response do they expect to provoke? And are they succeeding?
Christ...
Considering how far (R) has shifted to the right since the 80's the party would immediately declare the Ghost of Ronald Reagan to be a Dem.
That is logically sound, indeed Reagan is too liberal to be a republican. However one of the unshakable requirements for republicans is to praise him regardless; and they are not bothered by the hypocrisy (indeed they don't even acknowledge it). So while they should throw him out for being too liberal, they would be unable to bring themselves to do so.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Can anyone tell me which model of iPod was released shortly after January 2004 that HP did not sell?
Liberals use "Dominionist" the same way they use "fascist": As an ignorant synonym for "something they don't like."
Conspicuously missing: Cruz proclaiming they're "Dominionists" as opposed to "Christians."
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I tried to get a story up here on that, I don't know why they rejected it.
I suspect I know why it was rejected. I've had posts moderated up to "5" and then flagged as "Flame bait" or "Troll" and moderated back down. When they get modded back up they get flagged as "Troll" or "Flame bait" again and moderated down. Does anyone really believe that a "Flame bait" post is repeatedly being modded up to "5" or is it more likely that someone who believes differently than me just wants to silence me? (And has no valid opposite view to contribute to the discussion.) I think you hit the same thing, a Slashdot staff member who simply didn't want to see that viewpoint discussed.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
I personally believe that the Timothy are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have spellcheck and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children.
I've clearly been on the internet too long. I understood that.. (!)
I don't know about "on Windows", but I'd like to know why iTunes sucked so much, and continues to suck much, after version 10.7. That might be your answer, right there.
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Thanks. Now I understand American better.
Something like that. I blame cats, though. They always fight foxes.
Fiorina is completely incompetent and never accomplished anything worthwhile.
Yet she became extremely wealthy, and influential. For reasons I cannot explain, a lot of people still listen to her.
Apple has always been a dickish a company, and Jobs was the worst dick of them all.
That Apple pulled a fast one, on somebody as incapable as Fiorina, is hardly surprising.
this. Much better than cows and sheep.
Hell, these days, he's too liberal to be a democrat. Started prosecutions of bankers when Obama bailed out the banks for a fraud dozens of times as large as the S&N crisis. Insisted that Social Security had nothing to do with the deficit - tell that to Obama's Catfood Commission. Withdrew from Grenada and Lebanon (though he never should have gone in in the first place), whereas Obama has made plans to continue the occupation of Afghanistan through two terms of his successor, whoever they turn out to be.
Seems like Steve Jobs learned a lot from his past dealings with Bill Gates.
Anyway, i like this story a lot. It should be an eye openered for the Jobs fan boys that he wasn't all zen and a nice guy.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Aaaaannnd... Whoooooosh!
President Bush, is that you?
really look like a well formed thought to you, Timothy? What about Timothy's editor? Hello? Anyone home?
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Slashdot used to be a mix of Libertarians and Democrats. It still is from my vantage point.
You won't see many science deniers and immigrant hate here.
They are to the right on guns, don't need many abortions, and are against more H1-B visas though.
Carly Fiorina is still alive.