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What Non-Geeks Hate About the Big Bang Theory

v3rgEz writes: It has been said that there is a lot to dislike about the Big Bang Theory, from the typical geek's point of view: It plays in stereotypes of geekdom for cheap laughs, makes non-sensical gags, and has a laugh track in 2015. But what does the rest of America (well, the part of America not making it the number one show on television) think? FCC complaints recently released accuse the show of everything from animal cruelty to subliminal messaging, demanding that the sitcom be ripped from the airwaves lest it ruin America. The full complaints for your reading pleasure.

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  1. Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The most painful thing about this show are the "jokes" which are telegraphed to the audience by the world's most obnoxious laugh track.

    1. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think that's the main reason I can't watch that show, and to this date haven't watched a full episode yet. Every time I hear the laugh track I want to gag. What is this, 1965? If they're going to do it that way, at least have a live studio audience like Married with Children had that actually responds appropriately to what's happening when it's genuinely funny.

      In Big Bang Theory just feels like somebody is methodically trying to tell you "ok, you laugh here, even if it's not funny" throughout the whole show.

    2. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Laugh tracks are also a crime against comic timing, possibly second only to post-production editing, which should be done absolutely minimally in the case of a sitcom.

      There was a blog post a while back from someone who went to see a sitcom being recorded, with audience, and loved every minute of it. When it came to the TV broadcast, though, they'd edited it to shreds, forcing in the best takes of just about every individual line instead of letting longer parts play out in one take. It was abysmal.

      Same thing happened on the last series of a sitcom I enjoyed, compared to the previous two series. It was really jarring.

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    3. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by EvilSS · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think that's the main reason I can't watch that show, and to this date haven't watched a full episode yet. Every time I hear the laugh track I want to gag. What is this, 1965? If they're going to do it that way, at least have a live studio audience like Married with Children had that actually responds appropriately to what's happening when it's genuinely funny.

      Um, they do have a live studio audience

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    4. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm an old fogie and used to laugh tracks. Most "light" comedies seem awkward without them. It guess it's hard to make every generation happy.

      But as far as the show, I sometimes get a "geek" kick out of it. You get dialog similar to:

      A: "Rats, according to my carefully considered forecasts, I'll probably die before they can upload human conscientiousness into androids so one can live forever."

      B: "Oh great, you'll really want to mill around as an awkward, annoying robot?"

      A: "You claim I'm awkward and annoying now. How is that a change?"

      B: "You sleep a third of the day now."

    5. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a lot of Bull...

    6. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      > I'm an old fogie and used to laugh tracks. Most "light" comedies seem awkward without them. It guess it's hard to make every generation happy.

      I grew up with them too. I think what really destroyed them for me was that, after I realized they existed, I noticed....they just keep using the same one over and over. Its like that Wilhelm Scream. Once your recognize it....its not part of the scene anymore...its jarring.

      I don't hear "people laughing" I hear "that laugh track", the same one I have heard since I was a kid. The "magic" is entirely gone. I almost feel like, if they had a small assortment of 10 laugh tracks and rotate them within the same show....I might have never even noticed....but its the same laugh for every joke!

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    7. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have large udders and no penis? Yikes.

    8. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, the show doesn't have a "laugh now" sign. people don't spend hours of their life to watch a live taping of a show they don't like. duh?

    9. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by DRJlaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK, so if they have a live studio audience, how is it they managed to make it sound exactly like the laugh track from the Brady Bunch? The outcome is terrible regardless of whether the source is recorded or live.

      They traveled back in time to the day of your birth and trained you to be a misanthrope who detests the sound of live human laughter?

      Just a guess. You already seem intent upon disregarding any aspect of reality that conflicts with your preconceived notions, so I may as well go big.

    10. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dumbass, it's only "telegraphed" by the laugh track if you're slower than the average person in the audience. they're watching the same show you are. if they laugh before you, it means they got the joke before you. maybe you don't laugh because you don't think the joke is funny, but that's not what you said. even if i don't think a joke is funny i can still tell that it's a joke.

      you people who are complaining about the audience laughter, do you prefer to watch your sports matches without any audience noise? no? gosh.

    11. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      You should see his balls.

    12. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all right, last comment to you guys who have no idea what you're talking about.

      scooby doo used a "laugh track."

      modern sitcoms have a live audience. even shows that are not taped in front of a live audience (like sheen's "anger management") will bring in people to fill a room and they show the episode to them. they record the audience's laughter and that goes into the aired episode.

      if you think they are playing the same sample of laughter over and over you are simply wrong... and should get your ears checked.

    13. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think that's the main reason I can't watch that show, and to this date haven't watched a full episode yet. Every time I hear the laugh track I want to gag. What is this, 1965? If they're going to do it that way, at least have a live studio audience like Married with Children had that actually responds appropriately to what's happening when it's genuinely funny.

      Um, they do have a live studio audience

      Wait a moment. There's at least EIGHT people who appear twice in that photo, and it's not a simple stitch together either. Check it out. Definitely the "live studio audience" isn't all that it's made out to be.

    14. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they DO use a laugh track - it's for the foreign viewers who do not understand English.

    15. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Master+Moose · · Score: 5, Informative

      Um, they do have a live studio audience

      Doesn't stop the producers from using "Laugh now" signs. I don't know if they actually do this, but my guess is that they probably do....

      I don't know if this is so for Big Bang, but I have been to many television recordings. As a part of the shows I have been to, before the presentation they have the Audience applaud and laugh with various levels of enthusiasm so that when the show is edited back together for broadcast:

      Jokes that didn't hit can be made to sound like they did
      Jokes actions that may have elicited a certain response may not have after numerous re-takes
      Applause that was organic would be choppy after scenes were chopped up and edited

      None of the shows I have seen have been sitcoms but rather presented "as live" panel shows

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    16. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      they'd edited it to shreds... It was abysmal.

      Once you know how they make sausage, it doesn't taste so good anymore.

    17. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Um, they do have a live studio audience [imgur.com]

      Yes, they make a big deal about their "live studio audience", but that doesn't mean it isn't annoying as hell. In fact, I'd prefer it if they used a laugh track, because at least then they'd adjust it so it doesn't sound like a bunch of inebriated hyenas. Of course, just because they have an audience doesn't mean it isn't rigged:

      A friend of mine has been to a taping of the show. They spend 20-30 minutes getting the audience ready with a stand-up comedian and other fluffers. Their whole purpose is to get the audience excited and in a laughing mood. They really pile on the hype about their laughter making the show successful and how important the reaction is. They talk about the microphones needing big loud laughs. Etc.

      When the show finally starts filming, it's a rare scene that's filmed in one take. Therefore when the show is edited, they will independently choose the "best" laugh and use that for final take. In that sense they do use an edited laugh track, it's just one that's created by the current audience.

      Then there's the dialog pacing, which is constructed to suit the exaggerated laughing instead of the comedy. This awkwardly false nature can be easily seen if you take away the laugh track or (less subtley) replace it with a caricature laugh. This is a problem with a lot of sitcoms, but Big Bang Theory seems to be especially bad.

      Now take a look at John Cleese's approach on handling audience laughter while filming Fawlty Towers. Here's an example from A Room with a View. Compared to that, Big Bang Theory feels stilted and forced, while Fawlty Towers has a more natural rhythm that's so much easier to laugh at.

      Of course, it also helps that Fawlty Towers had good writing and actually is funny. Two things Big Bang Theory can rarely claim.

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    18. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      " I don't know if they actually do this"

      Most readers can stop right there, as you have admitted you don't know what you are talking about.

      However, they way you can tell during viewing whether production tried to manipulate the laughter is to look for cases where the next line is laughed over or if the next line was delayed for the laughter. If the writers actually had the ability to prevent the audience from stepping on their precious dialog they would have used it.

    19. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      That might be true, but then the real problem is lack of a legitimate laugh track, not the mere existence of one. (Or, getting a bigger sound library.)

    20. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by techno-vampire · · Score: 2

      They spend 20-30 minutes getting the audience ready with a stand-up comedian and other fluffers.

      So what else is new? Judging by my own personal experience, studios (at least in Hollywood) have been doing that for well over half a century.

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    21. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by quantaman · · Score: 1

      OK, so if they have a live studio audience, how is it they managed to make it sound exactly like the laugh track from the Brady Bunch? The outcome is terrible regardless of whether the source is recorded or live.

      You're dealing with dozens of people laughing at the same time, there's no individual variation at that point, any unusual laugh will get drowned out and you'll just get the averaged sound of laughter.

      Canned laughter can be more unusual because you can combine just a few different laughs and have some distinction and variety.

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    22. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by quantaman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think that's the main reason I can't watch that show, and to this date haven't watched a full episode yet. Every time I hear the laugh track I want to gag. What is this, 1965? If they're going to do it that way, at least have a live studio audience like Married with Children had that actually responds appropriately to what's happening when it's genuinely funny.

      In Big Bang Theory just feels like somebody is methodically trying to tell you "ok, you laugh here, even if it's not funny" throughout the whole show.

      So what? It works.

      We're social creatures, if a bunch of other people laughing tells us that a bad joke is funny we're probably going to laugh and we're going to enjoy it. Who cares if the audience is over-eager, if you let yourself enjoy it you'll have a better time.

      The only reason to drop the laugh track is it ties you to doing punch line comedies where everything is punctuated with a lot of small jokes and thoughts tend to end after the punchline. You couldn't do something like Arrested Development with a laugh track because there's a lot of jokes without specific punchlines, or jokes that overlap.

      Of course Arrested Development also got cancelled because they had poor ratings, a laugh track comedy that wasn't so challenging for the viewer might have done better.

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    23. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by quantaman · · Score: 1

      > I'm an old fogie and used to laugh tracks. Most "light" comedies seem awkward without them. It guess it's hard to make every generation happy.

      I grew up with them too. I think what really destroyed them for me was that, after I realized they existed, I noticed....they just keep using the same one over and over. Its like that Wilhelm Scream. Once your recognize it....its not part of the scene anymore...its jarring.

      I don't hear "people laughing" I hear "that laugh track", the same one I have heard since I was a kid. The "magic" is entirely gone. I almost feel like, if they had a small assortment of 10 laugh tracks and rotate them within the same show....I might have never even noticed....but its the same laugh for every joke!

      What you're hearing is the sound of a roomful of very enthusiastic people laughing. It's just like if you averaged the sum of 20 numbers between 0 and 10, you're going to end up getting a lot of numbers very close to 5.

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    24. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      certainly looks like a stitch error to me

    25. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Canth7 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      OK, so if they have a live studio audience, how is it they managed to make it sound exactly like the laugh track from the Brady Bunch? The outcome is terrible regardless of whether the source is recorded or live.

      They traveled back in time to the day of your birth and trained you to be a misanthrope who detests the sound of live human laughter?

      Just a guess. You already seem intent upon disregarding any aspect of reality that conflicts with your preconceived notions, so I may as well go big.

      I find Seinfeld and That 70s Show, both filmed in front of a live studio audience to be funny and the audience laughter doesn't bother me in the slightest. There's something different about TBB. Maybe it's the writing, maybe the audience is prompted to laugh at every joke no matter how mediocre - either way, it's missing something or this thread wouldn't exist.

    26. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by vux984 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Then there's the dialog pacing, which is constructed to suit the exaggerated laughing instead of the comedy.

      Or it's acknowledging the studio audience reaction. You see the same thing in live plays... where the pacing of the action on stage adjusts naturally the audience reactions. And if you took a stage play and edited out that audience reaction you get the same unnatural cadence.

    27. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      Wait a moment. There's at least EIGHT people who appear twice in that photo, and it's not a simple stitch together either. Check it out. Definitely the "live studio audience" isn't all that it's made out to be.

      Pretty sure it is just a simple stitch together. The photos were taken not only from multiple angles but multiple locations as well (the opening in the back on the left side of the picture is the same as the opening the second in from the left, just from a different angle).

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    28. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      I know how they make sausages and think they are just as good as before. Now, haggis on the other hand.

    29. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      You are easily entertained.

    30. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2

      How do you feel about The Daily Show or (did feel about) The Colbert Report's laughing? That's exactly what they tell you at those tapings - microphones high on the ceiling, the warm-up guy, pretend you're the audience etc. I'm sure any taping has the same spiel.

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    31. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the audience are professional audience members, trained to laugh at appropriate times to spur the others to laugh (if the lit signs aren't enough). Sometimes they pipe in laughter if the audience doesn't respond quickly enough.

    32. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd agree with you except that even taking angle into account, the people in the front do not get replicated the way the people in the back do. Oh well, no matter.

    33. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by bakes · · Score: 2

      From the SUMMARY: "and has a laugh track in 2015"

      I understand nobody reads the articles, but you could both at least read the summary.

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    34. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by bakes · · Score: 4, Funny

      After posting this condescending comment, I realised that there is a non-zero probability that the submitter may have not properly researched his assertion (rare as that would be). I apologise to you both.

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    35. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Sure. What door are they nailed to?

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    36. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As in "I don't think it's funny, so any laughter must be coming from a badly programmed AI audience stand in".

    37. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by GNious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I find Seinfeld and That 70s Show, both filmed in front of a live studio audience to be funny and the audience laughter doesn't bother me in the slightest. There's something different about TBB. Maybe it's the writing, maybe the audience is prompted to laugh at every joke no matter how mediocre - either way, it's missing something or this thread wouldn't exist.

      I've watched Seinfeld - it wasn't funny. People just really, REALLY wants it to be.

    38. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if they actually do this, but my guess is that they probably do....

      They don't. Probably won't make you reconsider your stance, but there you have it, just in case.

    39. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are you supposed to know what is funny is there's no laugh track?

    40. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      The last time I saw them they were hanging from the trailer hitch of a pick-up truck.

    41. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people do they need?

    42. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that settles it. There's no way an audio engineer could mix in pre-recorded sounds of an audience laughing. It's simply impossible. Therefore, all the laughter must all be genuine!

    43. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by YukariHirai · · Score: 1

      I don't doubt that many do it that way, but my own (admittedly limited) experience is a similar, but less dishonest/manipulative method.

      Some years ago, I was at the recording of a comedy panel show (Good News Week back when it was on the ABC, in case there are any Australians of the right age reading). The show gets recorded, various bits get trimmed out for various reasons - so it'll fit in the time slot, because they messed something up, excessive swearing, etc. Before the show starts, they played clips from previous shows, including things that were funny but had to be left out for time, things that were hilarious but too sweary, etc. Same ultimate effect; warming the audience up, but it's all still from the show's own merits.

    44. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a stupid joke.
      No really. The joke is dressed in 'geekness' but the actual joke is low hanging fruit for the masses. It has nothing to do with geekness. At all.
      And that is too often with this show.
      It's a geek show for stupid people.

    45. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect that the laugh-track has some sort of dynamics compression as well, to make it easier to mix. Compressed laughter sounds strange and too-loud.

    46. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by jgtg32a · · Score: 3, Informative

      TV Tropes Warning

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny

    47. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Untrue - watch Red Dwarf sometime, there are many episodes where certain individual audience members laughs make you wish for a generic laugh track.

    48. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by houghi · · Score: 1

      What you describe happens with almost every other studio in front of an audience recording.No need to single out this one show.

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    49. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS.

    50. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the thing about Seinfeld (imho)...it was funny. But aside from a dozen or so of the most memorable episodes, upon re-watching it, well, it's not that funny now. I had the entire series and started watching it with my 18 yr old daughter thinking it would be great to re-watch all those episodes with her but a few episodes in we quit. She didn't think it was funny and I didn't think it was disappointed that it didn't seem nearly as funny as it used to.

    51. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Frigga's+Ring · · Score: 1

      It's more than simple signs. There's a Radiolab episode of the effects of laughing where they interview people who are hired to laugh in a studio audience.

    52. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's three separate photos of the audience, from different angles. They are not stitched together, just overlapping in a confusing manner that makes them look like they might be a panorama.

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    53. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't care about laugh tracks. A live audience must be told when to laugh, so it is just a fake.

      The real problem with that show is Kaley Cuoco's haircut. It's the crime of the fucking century.

    54. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Wait a moment. There's at least EIGHT people who appear twice in that photo, and it's not a simple stitch together either. Check it out. Definitely the "live studio audience" isn't all that it's made out to be.

      Do you really think they have trouble filling the studio audience for a popular show like BBT? There are plenty of photos taken by audience members of the audience and line to get in to a taping on Google.

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    55. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fuck, moron? They stitched together three photos of the same audience... yes, that means duplicates.

    56. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I'm sure you think Star Trek was a quality show, right?

      **insert eye-roll here**

    57. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      Seinfeld's humor is hinged on seeing not-quite-likeable people in uncomfortable situations.
      John Cleese mentions taboo subjects in his interview about Fawlty Towers, though Seinfeld is less about the taboo and more about the release of stress you get from watching these painful social situations unfold.

      And they don't stand the test of time, as noted below, because you've seen them and it doesn't cause the same reactions, or they're no longer relevant socially, or no longer relevant to you as a person.

      If they never were relevant to someone, chances are that person never found them funny in the first place.

    58. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Z_A_Commando · · Score: 2

      There is no laugh track. They film in front of a live studio audience every single week. My sister and I have attended a taping. If you don't believe me, watch the special features from the DVD seasons or go here: http://tvtickets.com/fmi/shows... to get your own tickets.

      For scenes that they don't film live because they're filmed outside or on location (like where Howard throws out the first pitch for the Los Angeles Angels' game), they take that clip and show it to the live studio audience to record their laughs.

      Because it's filmed live, there are times where the audience laughs so long that the actors literally have to pause between lines so the audience can hear the next line of dialog. They're not pausing for effect, they're pausing so they can be heard. Most scenes also have several one-liner jokes that the writers will swap out for the desired effect.

    59. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by guyniraxn · · Score: 0

      Sorry, no. I remember when it was new, I absolutely detested Seinfeld. These days I can tolerate it much better, still not a fan though.

    60. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a middle-aged fogie.

      I'm an old fogie and used to laugh tracks. Most "light" comedies seem awkward without them. To those of you hate laugh tracks, stop acting like a fucking bunch of pretentious crybabies..

      But as far as the . . .

      FTFY

    61. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      You do realize in 2015 they added a laugh track http://variety.com/2014/tv/awa...

    62. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      I've watched Seinfeld - I don't find it funny.

      Fixed that for you.

    63. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, they do have a live studio audience

      Let's play: Spot the black guy!

    64. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if they actually do this, but my guess is that they probably do....

      They don't. Probably won't make you reconsider your stance, but there you have it, just in case.

      I attended (god help me) a taping of "Kirk" and "Family Matters" in the 90s. Both used "laugh now" signs.

    65. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is also an insult against our intelligence (Yup Einstein, human stupidity might be infinite, but that doesn't exclude intelligence from equation!)

      Like we don't ourselves what's funny and what is not. Laugh track or not, if the joke is not funny then I won't be laughing. It just dumbs down shows as if we'd be part of the script..

      TV industry STOP IT, PLEASE! I can give you kartoffels if you do!

    66. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then there's the dialog pacing, which is constructed to suit the exaggerated laughing instead of the comedy.

      Or it's acknowledging the studio audience reaction. You see the same thing in live plays... where the pacing of the action on stage adjusts naturally the audience reactions. And if you took a stage play and edited out that audience reaction you get the same unnatural cadence.

      Which is what John Cleese counters with his argument against that pacing in the youtube link in the parent. It's fine for the studio audience but not for the one or two sat at home, it;s not needed. Take a look at the link in the parent, it's only about 1 minute long and now it makes sense. I used to think that FT was filmed with recorded laughter because of the way it was paced and I was so used to the pause by the actors.

    67. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by cyberchondriac · · Score: 0

      That's really sad if a comedy needs to prompt people when to laugh, which, judging by the laugh track or whatever, is far too often and for one liners that aren't remotely funny. It feels forced and artificial, but humor should be natural. If it's funny, you laugh, if it isn't.. get new writers.
      I used to like The Big Bang Theory, but the last few years it's been in a steep decline to where I don't even bother anymore. Sheldon now sounds like more like a little old woman when he talks than he does someone with OCD or Aspergers or whatever it is he has that they say he doesn't. The same old gags have gotten old.

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    68. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      So? That makes life easier.

    69. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      That "picture" along with the caption implying they have a live audience is pure misdirection. The first thing to notice, is despite it looking at first glance like 3 segments of seating for a show, making for a large audience - it is actually several shots of the same space with different people in it. The windows at the rear are a dead give-away in two of those shots. They actually use only the members from one of those shot for each showing I believe.

      Now the audio part - what they actually do is record each episode and edit it down. This is then shown to an audience(s)and they record any laughter and reactions from the audience. They track, double track and overlay all the laughs to obtain the thick hearty sounding amount of laughs that they want the show to sound like it receives. Weak laughter can be tracked over from 5 or more showings to thicken the sound right out. Strong gags would only need a couple of over-dubs.

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    70. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by GNious · · Score: 1

      You're hitting on something interesting here.
      Not ONLY weren't the settings (New York) all that relevant, but the combination of Observational Humor and some sort of Reductio Ad Absurdum resulted in something distilled to a point where the original element of "Truth" is lost.

      That, and seeing whats-his-face burst through a door gets old REAL fast.

    71. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 0

      While the laugh track itself is so awful I think it gave me cancer, the worst part is not the laughter itself but how the actors have to pause after pretty much every second line and wait for the laughter track to die down before they deliver the next lines. This makes the show painfully slow to watch and the interactions are terribly disjointed. There's simply no flow to the dialogue.

      The other worst thing is pretty much every other aspect of the show.

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    72. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      I felt fine about those Colbert and the Daily Show with Jon Stewart (holding out judgment on Noah) Because those shows were funny already. The Big Bang Theory is not.

      It's like the pretty much the difference between splitting a bottle of wine with your partner to celebrate closing a giant deal, and splitting a bottle of whiskey because you lost one.

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    73. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by nephilimsd · · Score: 1

      Yep, Modern Family is basically watered-down Arrested Development, and the ratings basically prove your point.

    74. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Were they colored blue or brass?

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    75. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      They looked like fine Corinthian leather.

    76. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, that does not preclude the use of a laugh track.

    77. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by redanzl · · Score: 1

      If you want a good indication of how funny the jokes are, laugh out loud along with the laugh track. It'll illuminate just how mundane the jokes usually are.

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    78. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't watch any show that has a laugh track. I don't need to be told that something was supposed to be funny. If it's funny, then I'll laugh at it. In other words, I don't need to be coached into laughing by silly background noise.

    79. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by coinreturn · · Score: 2

      I think that's the main reason I can't watch that show, and to this date haven't watched a full episode yet. Every time I hear the laugh track I want to gag. What is this, 1965? If they're going to do it that way, at least have a live studio audience like Married with Children had that actually responds appropriately to what's happening when it's genuinely funny.

      Um, they do have a live studio audience

      Wait a moment. There's at least EIGHT people who appear twice in that photo, and it's not a simple stitch together either. Check it out. Definitely the "live studio audience" isn't all that it's made out to be.

      The pictures were taken on "Bring your identical twin and sit away from them" day.

    80. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Big Bang Theory just feels like somebody is methodically trying to tell you "ok, you laugh here, even if it's not funny" throughout the whole show.

      Isn't that the way most of Chuck Lorre's shows are operated? he and his team can't be creative & entertaining from the public's POV, so they have to "structure" the show so that it helps the public understand what is supposed to entertain them.

      For the record: I only watch this show when it is "rebroadcast" ("reruns" for us older folk) or when I go online. Other than that, there are other much more interesting ways for me to spend my time when this "show" airs.

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    81. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      I have to assume that is faked or intentional as a joke.

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    82. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, since even the window with a couple of monitors appears a few times, I'd say it is due to stitching.

    83. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even simpler than that. When Jim Henson was asked why he added a laugh track to the Muppets Show, he said "Because it's funnier that way"

      And it's true. In that case.

      The problem is the choice of humor and its presentation -- The Muppets Show was presented and written as a series of skits or plays. They didn't have odd pacing, because the pacing and jokes were set in a manner that befitted a laugh track (e.g. two characters tell a joke, then the scene moves to two other characters which engage in a similar dialogue while the laugh track plays, or one muppet shakes in reaction to something another muppet said was funny, showing some frustration at coming up with a response)

      The Big Bang Theory bases a lot of its humor on spit-take retorts which is the worst possible pairing with a laugh-track imaginable.

      But it boils down to one thing: You can't argue with the numbers, so I'm the idiot.

      On the flip side, Modern Family doesn't use a laugh track. Its downside is that the characters lose some of their charm when you don't hear an audience cheering for them. A retort or quip can come off as much more of a sneer or a personal attack when it's not followed by the producer's version of a ";-)". It's still successful in Modern Family's case, but in the case of TBBT, it's likely the characters would suffer the "likeability" hit and would come off as downright hostile and robotic rather than "grouchy and quirky, but fun".

    84. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      I think that's the main reason I can't watch that show, and to this date haven't watched a full episode yet. Every time I hear the laugh track I want to gag. What is this, 1965? If they're going to do it that way, at least have a live studio audience like Married with Children had that actually responds appropriately to what's happening when it's genuinely funny.

      Um, they do have a live studio audience

      Wait a moment. There's at least EIGHT people who appear twice in that photo, and it's not a simple stitch together either. Check it out. Definitely the "live studio audience" isn't all that it's made out to be.

      you're right. this is like 4 shots of what ought to be overlapping frames, stretched out sideways.

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    85. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Um, they do have a live studio audience [imgur.com]

      Yes, they make a big deal about their "live studio audience", but that doesn't mean it isn't annoying as hell. In fact, I'd prefer it if they used a laugh track, because at least then they'd adjust it so it doesn't sound like a bunch of inebriated hyenas. Of course, just because they have an audience doesn't mean it isn't rigged:

      A friend of mine has been to a taping of the show. They spend 20-30 minutes getting the audience ready with a stand-up comedian and other fluffers. Their whole purpose is to get the audience excited and in a laughing mood. They really pile on the hype about their laughter making the show successful and how important the reaction is. They talk about the microphones needing big loud laughs. Etc.

      When the show finally starts filming, it's a rare scene that's filmed in one take. Therefore when the show is edited, they will independently choose the "best" laugh and use that for final take. In that sense they do use an edited laugh track, it's just one that's created by the current audience.

      Then there's the dialog pacing, which is constructed to suit the exaggerated laughing instead of the comedy. This awkwardly false nature can be easily seen if you take away the laugh track or (less subtley) replace it with a caricature laugh. This is a problem with a lot of sitcoms, but Big Bang Theory seems to be especially bad.

      Now take a look at John Cleese's approach on handling audience laughter while filming Fawlty Towers. Here's an example from A Room with a View. Compared to that, Big Bang Theory feels stilted and forced, while Fawlty Towers has a more natural rhythm that's so much easier to laugh at.

      Of course, it also helps that Fawlty Towers had good writing and actually is funny. Two things Big Bang Theory can rarely claim.

      I bet walking dead has a dead studio audience. that would be awefuckingsome.

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    86. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      They spend 20-30 minutes getting the audience ready with a stand-up comedian and other fluffers. So what else is new? Judging by my own personal experience, studios (at least in Hollywood) have been doing that for well over half a century.

      gotta time it for the drugs to kick in at the right time.

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    87. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by gzuckier · · Score: 2

      I find Seinfeld and That 70s Show, both filmed in front of a live studio audience to be funny and the audience laughter doesn't bother me in the slightest. There's something different about TBB. Maybe it's the writing, maybe the audience is prompted to laugh at every joke no matter how mediocre - either way, it's missing something or this thread wouldn't exist.

      I've watched Seinfeld - it wasn't funny. People just really, REALLY wants it to be.

      That show where George W. Bush pretended to be president wasn't all that funny either, but it went for 8 seasons before they canceled it.

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    88. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      I'm an old fogie and used to laugh tracks. Most "light" comedies seem awkward without them. It guess it's hard to make every generation happy.

      But as far as the show, I sometimes get a "geek" kick out of it. You get dialog similar to:

      A: "Rats, according to my carefully considered forecasts, I'll probably die before they can upload human conscientiousness into androids so one can live forever."

      B: "Oh great, you'll really want to mill around as an awkward, annoying robot?"

      A: "You claim I'm awkward and annoying now. How is that a change?"

      B: "You sleep a third of the day now."

      the first line I heard on BBT I thought was "special" was when the guys were debating whether Sheldon was actually a robot but didn't realize it. I think it was Raj who asks, "Consider; have you ever harmed a human, or through inaction allowed a human to come to harm?" Sheldon: "Of course not." Raj: "I put it to you, then, that you probably are a robot." Sheldon looks surprised and thoughtful.

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    89. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I've watched Seinfeld - it wasn't funny.

      NO soup for you!

    90. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by DrXym · · Score: 1

      I don't see that being filmed in front of an audience excludes the possibility of canned laughs being inserted into the show during post production.

    91. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by EvilSS · · Score: 1
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    92. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Um, that does not preclude the use of a laugh track.

      No, it doesn't but if you bother to read the post I replied to, and quoted even, you'll see that is not what I was arguing.

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    93. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      You do realize in 2015 they added a laugh track http://variety.com/2014/tv/awa...

      There is nothing in that 2014 article to support that assertion that they started using a laugh track in 2015. Either way, I'm not saying they don't. If you bothered to pay attention to context, I was answering someone who said they wished that they filmed in front of a studio audience. They do. It's indisputable.

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    94. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It actually does say that they use canned laughter in the article, despite the show being filmed in front of an audience. The "surprise" being that the audience doesn't laugh enough at the jokes. Either because they don't understand the material, or because it just ain't that funny. You can TELL that show uses prerecorded laughs, use your ears sometime.

    95. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That show where Barack Hussein Obama pretended to not be a clueless racist would be funny if we only had to watch it from the relative safety of another galaxy.

    96. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Define "modern"? I stopped watching sitcoms a long time ago. In fact, the last sitcom I watched on a regular basis was probably filmed in the 90s. I want to say "perfect strangers" or "whose the boss" but, I probably have watched something regularly since then.

      If thats true, then why is it that shows with real live audiences, never have such clean laughter that ends so abruptlly and lasts for uniform amount of time.

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    97. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it?

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    98. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Dr_Terminus · · Score: 1

      I like how they try to make that audience seem bigger than it is. If you zoom in you can see that large sections of the 'audience' are duplicated between the photos.

    99. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he insist that you were not born in this country, because of your name and skin color? Poor guy.

    100. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you go back and watch married with children (dont), you can hear individual members say stuff like "Yeah go get him AL!"

      It just depends on how you mic it and mix it.

    101. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have gotten very far in this thread, I've only seen one guy confront the reality that connect is subjective. Some people think Two and A half Men is HILARIOUS.

    102. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can actually see this in Red Dwarf: Back to Earth, where they inserted a laugh track for the first time.

    103. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's safe to assume that you don't like the show?

    104. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It and the original Spicks & Specks are well regarded in my family. Not a fan of studio audiences for comedy or laugh tracks overall, and I'm old enough to remember when every sitcom advertised their "recorded in front of a live studio audience" status.

    105. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by MercTech · · Score: 1

      I just don't care for terminally stupid as humor.

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    106. Re: Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I do like star trek. It's a good show for my best friend and I to sit down laugh at and take guesses at who is getting which girl that episode.

    107. Re:Its laugh track is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laugh tracks are not always bad. The removal of the tracks from Red Dwarf was one of their biggest mistakes, for example and got a lot of complaints.

  2. Never seen daytime soaps by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    There is a lot of sex in soaps, most of it handled in a fair less discreet way than BBT. Pretending that people haven't watched TV for the sex on it for the last 50 years is a bit naive. (some Soaps have been running that long!).

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    1. Re:Never seen daytime soaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen more skin (male and female) and more sex and intimacy on 15 minutes of a soap playing on a lobby of a business than I have on 100s of hours of BBT. So these bible thumping jackass censors can go watch two dudes make out in bed drinking champagne on DAY TIME tv and take their complaints and shove them up their vaginas or asses or both. I'll let them pick their own pleasure.

  3. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I didn't realize the show was supposed to be about geeks. I thought it was ironically portraying the disconnect between the academic pursuit of science and things that happen in the real world. Real scientists are busy doing real work for real money. Meanwhile Big Bang Theorists are trying to figure out why the gay actor's character is so clumsy with women.

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't watch it because it's a bit like going to work. I work in an engineering R&D firm, and there are quite a few characters here. Certainly Big Bang Theory is a sitcom and exaggerates things to dramatic effect, but there have been real life situations over here that aren't shown on TV because people wouldn't find them credible.

      Imagine a place of employment where nobody is bad as Sheldon, maybe only a half Sheldon. But there are 10 of them, and they each have their own peculiar quirks and tastes in their Sheldon-ness.

    2. Re:Hmm by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      If that show actually portrays reality, even in an exaggerated form, then I weep for humanity.

    3. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If "reality TV" portrays reality, then humanity doesn't even deserve our tears.

  4. None of the people I know that Like this Show... by Grog6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ,,,are Geeks.

    They would like to be, but lack the essential 'hacker' mentality required to Be a Geek.

    Most of them are unimaginative morons, although highly educated.

    A highly educated moron is easy to achieve with modern education; they can calculate something without any understanding whatsoever.

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  5. Not using laugh tracks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop making stuff up

    1. Re:Not using laugh tracks by NMBob · · Score: 1

      I know there was a big deal about this in S3(?) and the producers came out and said, "No." They did say that they may do things like take the laughter from one take and use it with another take, but something doesn't sound right this season.

    2. Re:Not using laugh tracks by sexconker · · Score: 1

      It's still a live studio audience.

      There is no laugh track other than what the live studio audience supplies. Any editing to that track is for overall volume and timing, just as is done with every other show. This has been standard practice since Married with Children, where episodes frequently had botched run lengths due to the actors having to wait (and sometimes even restart a line) due to the audience reaction.

  6. Losers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does the series depict geeks or total losers?

    1. Re:Losers? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Let's see... the main character just married Kaley Cuoco's character. Doesn't sound like a total loser to me. Of course, a loser like Leonard marrying Penny might be an indication of jumping the shark, too. The only nerds getting women that attractive are the rich ones.

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    2. Re:Losers? by sanf780 · · Score: 1

      Not everyone seems a loser to me. The main characters have studied physics and have been characterized as excentric in order to suit a comedy sitcom. You have the Mr-Knows-All-So-Everybody-Else-Is-Wrong guy, and you have the I-Still-Live-With-My-Mother guy. And you have the blonde girl that lives next door that is completely "normal" by US sitcom standards - reminds me of an IRC client. You need to add that there is a laugh track and that somehow most of the jokes involve situations derived from lies or from stubborness. Typical of a sitcom.
      The biggest problem I see is the laugh track. A simple "Hello" means you hear some "Haha" in the background. I do not think there are more than two phrases chained together without a forced joke in there.

    3. Re:Losers? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "The only nerds getting women that attractive are the rich ones."

      From personal experience, not so. The universe contains more surprises than you would think.

    4. Re:Losers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a surprise: no one's going anywhere.

    5. Re:Losers? by Heathren-bert · · Score: 1

      Of course, a loser like Leonard marrying Penny might be an indication of jumping the shark, too. The only nerds getting women that attractive are the rich ones.

      Actually, Penny makes more than him.

    6. Re:Losers? by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      "The only nerds getting women that attractive are the rich ones."

      From personal experience, not so. The universe contains more surprises than you would think.

      My experience, socially inept nerds of either sex end up hooked up with, including but not limited to marriage, people in a "helping" profession; doctors, nurses, shrinks, teachers, social workers, etc.
      emotionally needy folks and codependents; a match truly made in heaven.

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  7. How about that it's just not funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm a geek, and I think that show is retarded.

  8. From a geek's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The worst part is that the entire point of the show is to make fun of geek stereotypes. Anecdotal, but the only people I know who bother watching the show are the non-geeks.

    1. Re:From a geek's perspective by Sique · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So here I present you a geek who enjoys watching the show: Me.

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    2. Re:From a geek's perspective by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      i also enjoy it, i didnt expect to see so much hate for it here

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    3. Re:From a geek's perspective by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      An element of comedy is pain. The stereotypes shown are trying to amplify such pain, thus makes people laugh at it. But as with most comedy, the people who feel the pain, from having elements of the stereotype have more sympathy in their plight.

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    4. Re:From a geek's perspective by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      I think it's pretty funny. Not perfect, but nothing is.

      As for the haters, I dunno, but we seem to have a cadre of regulars here who don't have much in the way of a sense of humour and who seem to get pissed off at anything they can't take literally.

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    5. Re:From a geek's perspective by sexconker · · Score: 2

      I enjoy it as well, and part of it is because of how much "geeks" bitch and moan about it.
      The show does a great job of mocking shitty geek stereotypes, and losers online do a great job of living up to those stereotypes.

    6. Re: From a geek's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, nobody wants to just say 'i don't get it ' anymore. It's ten pages about how smart they are and how they're too smart to laugh at it. If you watch comedy and you don't laugh, maybe comedy isn't for you.

    7. Re:From a geek's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mother likes it. It's too accessible for the non-geeks. If someone non-geek likes it, then it isn't geek, no matter how many geeks like it. That's where the hate comes from.

    8. Re:From a geek's perspective by thakalas · · Score: 2

      Oh god, Hipster Geeks.

    9. Re:From a geek's perspective by narcc · · Score: 1

      Easy there, Jubal Harshaw. Humor needn't be as dark as you'd have us believe.

    10. Re:From a geek's perspective by Sique · · Score: 1

      As a matter of fact, my children are old enough to watch the show and get most of the references. Especially my daughter seems to become an übernerd, taking courses in robotics, writing fan fiction, wearing gaming apparel and reading all the classics like Tolkien, Adams, Gibson and Pratchett.

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    11. Re:From a geek's perspective by houghi · · Score: 1

      Me as well. I don't think it is a show about geeks. It is a sitcom about people who happen to be geeks. Just like Brooklyn Nine-Nine is not a show about the Brooklyn Police.

      It is not a documentary.

      Hating the show is a bit of 'in' thing. If I do not like a shos (like e.g. Game of Thrones) I just do not watch it. Not because it might be bad, but because I do not like watching it.

      I would nog go about and tell others how bad I think it is and even less watch it week after week telling others how bad it is.

      And as long as they are making money, they will keep producing it. You are the product, you are not the market. And if you think you are, just one word: Firely.

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    12. Re:From a geek's perspective by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I may be being obsessive-compulsive here, but I keep comparing TV and movie science with the real thing. This leaves me with three things I can watch fairly comfortably: shows that have nothing to do with science (although I'll pick out historical inaccuracies), shows that are science fiction (so the science is explicitly not what we know), and BBT.

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    13. Re:From a geek's perspective by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      The thread starting here is a fair example of what I'm talking about. Sloppy makes a post which pretty much drips with sarcasm, and UnknownSoldier gets his knickers in a twist because, in his world, it's impossible for something to be a joke unless there's a big <<--LOL THIS IS TEH FUNNY sign pointing to it to tell him so, and gets called out on it.

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    14. Re:From a geek's perspective by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Pretty much the same here, although I also admit to a lasting fondness for many of the 60s/70s comedies I grew up with.

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    15. Re: From a geek's perspective by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      Yeah, nobody wants to just say 'i don't get it ' anymore. It's ten pages about how smart they are and how they're too smart to laugh at it. If you watch comedy and you don't laugh, maybe comedy isn't for you.

      Oh, because every joke has to be funny or you don't get comedy?

    16. Re:From a geek's perspective by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      I think it's pretty funny. Not perfect, but nothing is.

      As for the haters, I dunno, but we seem to have a cadre of regulars here who don't have much in the way of a sense of humour and who seem to get pissed off at anything they can't take literally.

      who here thinks Stuart is the funniest one?

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  9. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually there's no hacker mentality required to be a geek. Stop gatekeeping what a geek is.

    Like, the hacker mentality kinda sucks, actually. It's convinced a lot of people that broken software like Windows is worth keeping around because there are work arounds for the warts in the system.

    Whatever happened to just having a deep appreciation and enthusiasm for something?

    Or biting heads off chickens? If you're not biting heads off chickens, you're not a real geek.

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  10. Not different than the rest by TheDarkener · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This show reminds me of "Friends" in so many ways it's frightening. It's a cookie-cutter production, seemingly. You just have different personality experts working this show.

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    1. Re:Not different than the rest by Canth7 · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a self professed geek, I get a lot more out of the sophomoric humor in Friends than I ever have out of the BBT. Or maybe it's all just a moo point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    2. Re:Not different than the rest by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Never watched Friends. Not even a single episode. But I have watched all of TBBT.

    3. Re:Not different than the rest by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Never watched Friends. Not even a single episode.

      Kind of wonder how... but whatever. The first season was actually very good and very sharply written. It went downhill rapidly after that (or maybe after the second season---I don't recall). Like all shows, it only had a limited number of good seasons in it. And like ao many popular shows, it continued to lurch from bad episode to bad episode for a long time after the spark that made it good departed.

      Much like the Simpsons, really. This site has excellent things to say about the subject of the Simpsons, but the sentiment applies equally well to so many shows:

      http://deadhomersociety.com/zo...

      The variations tend to be how good the show was initially, how many good seasons there were and the speed of the slump into mediocrity. With some shows it's really startling: especially when the writers, knowing the end is nigh, decide to "end" the show then the network realising that the now ended show was really popular resurrect it complete with the premise which was completely broken by the ending.

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    4. Re:Not different than the rest by PPalmgren · · Score: 2

      It has similarities to Friends, for sure.

      The biggest and most obvious one, and the one that gets people feeling that way, has to be the set layout. The sets for the two apartments are almost identical and shot from the exact same perspective. The only difference is that the kitchens are on opposite sides of the room.

    5. Re:Not different than the rest by gzuckier · · Score: 2

      This show reminds me of "Friends" in so many ways it's frightening. It's a cookie-cutter production, seemingly. You just have different personality experts working this show.

      the vast majority of tv comedies these days are Friends ripoffs. that's the way hollywood works. before that, it was Seinfeld ripoffs.

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    6. Re:Not different than the rest by delt0r · · Score: 1

      And what is wrong with that? If you know a formula for millions of dollars. You'd be stupid not to use it.

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  11. What geeks hate the most is the lack of geekiness! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There was some genuine geekiness in the beginning but it is all gone now. Now its a show about stupid obnoxious people trying to seem smart... not at all as fun as it was in the beginning when it was about nice people with personality problems.

  12. I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by JoeyRox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Probably one of the worst sitcoms I've ever tried to watch. Go to youtube and search "big bang theory without laugh track" and see what I mean.

    1. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Go to youtube and search "big bang theory without laugh track" and see what I mean.

      What does that tell you? All it tells you is that we're used to a certain presentation of certain forms of entertainment, and when our expectations are not met it's jarring and disconcerting. Take a non-laugh-tracked "sitcom" (if they still fit that definition) like Peep Show or The Office or [insert non-laugh tracked sitcom you do find funny here] and add a laugh track and it will probably be just as un-funny because it throws the whole thing out of whack.

      Take a production of MacBeth and have everyone perform it in flippers. Probably not going to last long.

      If something makes someone laugh (for example, BBT with audience laughter), it's funny. If something doesn't make someone laugh (for example, BBT without laugh track) that doesn't mean that the first version wasn't "funny", and that the viewer must be therefore have been suffering some kind of delusion when they laughed the first time round.

      You don't find BBT funny either way; fine. That doesn't mean anyone who does is wrong, whether they laugh at the un-laugh-tracked version or not.

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    2. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by jfengel · · Score: 1

      I didn't care for BBT, either, but pretty much all laugh-track sitcoms sound like that when you remove the canned laughter. Friends, for example, fares no better. The whole pacing of the show is designed around the laugh track.

      So are the jokes. The laugh track clues you in to laugh, so they don't have to work really hard to make the script work. They basically hook an audience with a few characters they engage with and some stock lines, and then just repeat the formula. Once they've got them, people really feel strongly about the characters; it acts more like a soap opera than a comedy.

      Eventually, people realize that they're hearing the same few jokes over and over, and check out. But a show can last a surprisingly long time on its own momentum plus the occasional shark-jumping (adding in new elements to the story line).

      Not my thing; I find I prefer single-camera sitcoms, which are shot more like movies and tend to be more comedy-drama than pure sitcom, and they usually lack a laugh track. But I guess it's all up to people's tastes.

    3. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Laugh tracks manipulate the audience into laughing at jokes that might not actually be perceived as funny without the laugh track. There's a reason that major motion pictures don't use laugh tracks.

    4. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by Deadstick · · Score: 2

      There's a reason that major motion pictures don't use laugh tracks.

      Ummm, yeah, there is: the audience supplies its own. The laugh track was invented, for better or for worse, to simulate the experience of being at a live performance.

    5. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Friends is maybe not a great example, since it isn't funny with the laugh track left in either.

    6. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by khelms · · Score: 1

      Try watching just about any movie without the music. It won't seem as dramatic or scary or sad or whatever they're shooting for because we're trained to associate certain types of music with certain types of emotional responses.

    7. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, the pauses for the laughs are left in, breaking the flow of the show. He deliberately breaks shows, then holds them up as the reason they are bad.

    8. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only sitcom with a laugh track that gets a pass is One Foot in the Grave.

    9. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      The absence of a laugh track by itself does not alter how funny a performance is - it simply fakes its appeal by using social proof. For that I don't see how your analogy to MacBeth performed in flippers is comparable. There are sitcoms that are funny without the crutch of laugh tracks.

    10. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Yup, the live audience laughing is the particular genre this show is in. Complaining about it is like complaining about Opera having too much singing.

    11. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      it simply fakes its appeal by using social proof

      There's nothing "fake" about it. It's all part and parcel of the experience.

      There are sitcoms that are funny without the crutch of laugh tracks.

      Yes, and they're a different kind of sitcom.

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    12. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Probably one of the worst sitcoms I've ever tried to watch. Go to youtube and search "big bang theory without laugh track" and see what I mean.

      Good God that was awful.

    13. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, take into account the fact that movies are, at least in part, made to be watched in a theater... with a larger group of people than you would normally have in the living room while watching a TV sitcom. The crowd around you (simulated via laugh track or not) contributes in some way, albeit small, to the enjoyment of the experience.

    14. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Take a production of MacBeth and have everyone perform it in flippers. Probably not going to last long.

      I saw a production of MacBeth where many of the cast were wearing bright orange sort of shaolin monk inspired robes and carrying guns. I think there was a burned out car on the stage for the entire play which didn't actually have any interaction with the actors. That was back when I was in school and it was the only production on locally. It was not very good and I don't think it lasted especially long. I do remember being in a very large and almost completely deserted theatre with my dad.

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    15. Re:I hate it because it's terminally unfunny by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Laugh tracks manipulate the audience into laughing at jokes that might not actually be perceived as funny without the laugh track. There's a reason that major motion pictures don't use laugh tracks.

      because they use musical tracks which are more manipulative than laugh tracks ever could be.

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  13. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    This post is a prime candidate for /r/iamverysmart :P.

  14. Contrieved and Repetitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I found the humour got very repetative, and the situations were so contrieved (entire episodes centering on people walking in at just the right time and hearing just the right snippet of some conversation) it was painful to watch.

    Also something that stuck me early on. For a show about a bunch of hopeless socially inept geeks, they all end up with love interests and gags aside, they seem like reasonably healthy relashionships.

    1. Re:Contrieved and Repetitive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I found the humour got very repetative, and the situations were so contrieved (entire episodes centering on people walking in at just the right time and hearing just the right snippet of some conversation) it was painful to watch.

      Also something that stuck me early on. For a show about a bunch of hopeless socially inept geeks, they all end up with love interests and gags aside, they seem like reasonably healthy relashionships.

      And that's because in real life, even socially inept geeks eventually have love interests and can learn to function in reasonably healthy relationships. Why should we expect otherwise?

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    2. Re:Contrieved and Repetitive by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "Why should we expect otherwise?"

      The ghetto walls are enforced from within.

    3. Re:Contrieved and Repetitive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      "Why should we expect otherwise?"

      The ghetto walls are enforced from within.

      In some cases, yes. Sadly.

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  15. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by John+Bokma · · Score: 2

    Ah, the true Scotsman and all that. I do enjoy The Big Bang Theory and I dislike Mr. Robot. Also, I only liked Star Trek when I was a little kid. Ditto for Dr. Who.

  16. Re:What geeks hate the most is the lack of geekine by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0

    There was some genuine geekiness in the beginning but it is all gone now. Now its a show about stupid obnoxious people trying to seem smart... not at all as fun as it was in the beginning when it was about nice people with personality problems.

    Heh, yeah. You liked Big Bag Theory back when it was underground.

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  17. I like it by heezer7 · · Score: 1

    :shrug:

  18. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ,,,are Geeks.

    They would like to be, but lack the essential 'hacker' mentality required to Be a Geek.

    Most of them are unimaginative morons, although highly educated.

    A highly educated moron is easy to achieve with modern education; they can calculate something without any understanding whatsoever.

    I've always considered the show to be "blackface" for nerds.

  19. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And all the people I know that Like this Show think I'll like it too. And they're rather surprised that I don't.

  20. We did like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wife and I used to enjoy BB Theory, so much we bought all of it on DVD/BluRay. Now its some TV show about relationships, its been going that way over the last season or two, wife watched the first episode of the new season and didnt like it, based on that I probably wont bother. I think its done its dash, and the writers have run out original for this show and/or they are trying to appear to a more general market.

  21. Why? by Zalbik · · Score: 1

    :confused face:

  22. This is what happened to America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you closed the mental hospitals and allowed them to breed.

    Is every god damn person in America stuck on stupid.

    1. Re:This is what happened to America by PPH · · Score: 1

      When you closed the mental hospitals and allowed them to breed.

      We may have a solution for this. Just dart anything that moves in a trailer part from helicopters.

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  23. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by gfxguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like it, too; it's got it's problems, but it makes me laugh, which is the point. If anything, though, I see it more as the wet dream of nerds - they all get women (some of them quite attractive, some of them nerdy themselves - which is very attractive to a lot of nerds). I work in a very creative environment, with a lot of animators and artists - and a lot of them like the show. They all have toy collections and nerdy sides to them. The show doesn't have intellectual humor - it just makes you think it does; at the end of the day, it's like a lot of other sitcoms where we watch the lives of a bunch of social misfits - like the Simpsons, Married with Children, Seinfeld...

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  24. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    ,,,are Geeks.

    None of the geeks I know watch TV.
    They are too busy getting stuff done.

  25. Yeah, wait, hang on by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, not to break up a (somewhat) popular hate fest, but you HAVE to realize, for any given sitcom on commercial TV, there's inevitably going to be FCC complaints, many of which are going to be ... strange. Consider, in any group of people 300M large, a significant fraction of which watch TV, a significant fraction of *that* having no other damn thing going in their lives, what the heck do you THINK is going to happen? We used to call these people Fred and Ethyl, after Lucy's hapless elderly neighbors. Fred and Ethyl eat dinner off tin fold-up TV trays and watch TV in real time, including commercials. Fred and Ethyl can't tell the difference between rubber brains and the head meat of small animals. They think objects thrown from offstage must be from monkeys in a cage because that's what the dialog alludes to. They think the sounds of a cat squalling are being made by someone torturing a cat just behind that fake window there. Combine this with the current fashion of being offended at the tiniest opportunity, and what do you THINK is going to happen?

    This article speaks more about the reporters than the reportees. It's non-news, but it bashes a show that some geeks don't like. So let's go with it. (In Kevin Kline's voice) DisapPOINTed.

    And finally, it's not a laugh track -- it's a multicamera studio production in front of a live audience. Geeze.

    I thought this was news for nerds. Not news for clueless nerds.

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    1. Re:Yeah, wait, hang on by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Pretty much this.

      Anything popular is going to attract all manner of crazy from the general public.

    2. Re:Yeah, wait, hang on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And finally, it's not a laugh track -- it's a multicamera studio production in front of a live audience. Geeze.

      It's both, actually, it's punched up considerably in post-production. It's a very small audience.

    3. Re:Yeah, wait, hang on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no -=- the laugh track is unbearable in this day. it's hard to watch Seinfeld because of the laugh track. compare it with Workaholics or It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

    4. Re:Yeah, wait, hang on by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      And this is especially true about The Big Bang Theory, because it's among the highest-rated shows on TV. Its ratings numbers are basically unheard of for most programming except sports. Sports still dominate the ratings, but TBBT gets extremely big numbers compared to everyone else.

      And CBS is racking in huge bucks because of this - from first run and syndication, so no, they're not likely to change anything.

      If you want numbers, sports usually gets anywhere from 8-10+ ratings, while TBBT is a 3-6. Most other programming is between 0-2. Yes, that includes the ever popular "reality" shows.

      Because of this, a rather significant number of those 300M people are actually watching, and with those numbers, you're going to get a lot of complaints.

    5. Re:Yeah, wait, hang on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Combine this with the current fashion of being offended at the tiniest opportunity, and what do you THINK is going to happen?

      Interesting, that you use the current conservative meme. Also, mention these clueless people are trying to protect animals. If you read the actually complaints, they are mostly from conservatives. Conservatives who are offended by even the slightest hint of unmarried sex or the slightest mention of human genitals. These are conservatives who are offended at the tiniest opportunity. Yet, you never hear people bitching about their entitled attitude, because that's not how the brainwashing works.

    6. Re:Yeah, wait, hang on by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Combine this with the current fashion of being offended at the tiniest opportunity, and what do you THINK is going to happen?

      Interesting, that you use the current conservative meme. Also, mention these clueless people are trying to protect animals. If you read the actually complaints, they are mostly from conservatives. Conservatives who are offended by even the slightest hint of unmarried sex or the slightest mention of human genitals. These are conservatives who are offended at the tiniest opportunity. Yet, you never hear people bitching about their entitled attitude, because that's not how the brainwashing works.

      "being offended at the tiniest opportunity" is not a characteristic solely of the left, as your examples illustrate. My examples used real jokes on the show related specifically to animal cruelty, which was right up there in the damned SUMMARY. Maybe you missed that?

      For the record, I'm neither liberal nor conservative, because life is not even close to being that simple. I regularly change my registration from democrat to republican and back, depending on who has the most interesting primary (my state doesn't allow voting in either primary if you're registered independent) and the issues in play at the time. But I think you did help to illustrate my point about "being offended at the tiniest opportunity". Well done.

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  26. Hagh by koan · · Score: 1

    nuq vIqaSmoHrup sheldon?

    https://www.bing.com/translato... (Klingon)

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  27. scientists, not tech geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife's good friend is a bio professor at Cornell. She says the show is pretty popular in both her old (UCSD) and current labs.

  28. Some people need to get a life by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't like the show then don't watch it anymore, but don't go trying to enforce your standards on everyone else.

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    1. Re:Some people need to get a life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the difference between "I don't see the value in this" don't like it, and the "I think this is actually harmful to society" don't like it.

      The people that don't like it already aren't watching it. The people that think it actually insults geeks on the level of older racially insensitive sitcoms are keeping that can of worms closed. The FCC complaints come in from the people that don't agree with the values of the show not because they don't find it entertaining but because they think that it in some way makes society worse just by existing. And not in the "this comedy is so base that it actually makes people dumber" way, but in the sense that it encourages unethical behavior by some personal ethical metric that everyone else must obviously need to be protected from.

    2. Re:Some people need to get a life by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Remember Howard Stern? Back in the day, most people liked to listen to Stern 'because they wanted to see what he'd do next'. Ironically enough the people who passionately hated Stern and wanted him off the air more than anything? They'd listen to him 'because they wanted to see what he'd do next'. So it goes, in my opinion, with TBB: There are people out there who will say it's crap, shouldn't be allowed on television, is ruining our children and our society -- and they'll faithfully tune in to watch it week after week, to see what it's going to do this time. They need to get a life, is what they need to do, or at least get a new hobby.

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    3. Re:Some people need to get a life by fgb · · Score: 1

      The irony is that if you imagine all the negative comments about the show as being spoken by Sheldon, they are actually a pretty spot-on representation of his character.

      *That* is really funny.

    4. Re:Some people need to get a life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And take some basic English spelling courses.

      It's hilarious that every one of those complaints contains at least one heinous spelling or grammatical error. #morons

  29. I've never watched it by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm such a geek that I honestly thought this discussion would be about the real big bang theory.

    I haven't watched sitcoms or network television in over twenty years.

    1. Re:I've never watched it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      awww. good for you.

    2. Re:I've never watched it by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      I'm such a geek that I honestly thought this discussion would be about the real big bang theory. I haven't watched sitcoms or network television in over twenty years.

      i would love to see the real big bang, with a laugh track. super awesome.

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  30. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    I don't think I have ever watched an episode of BBT, because what little I have seen of the characters makes my skin crawl.

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  31. Why not? by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

    :whogas face:

  32. Taken too seriously by seoras · · Score: 2

    Chill. It's not worth getting worked up about. It's just a TV show.
    I personally enjoy it and the characters, it's no worse or better than The Simpsons, Family Guy or South Park.
    The acting has as many dimensions.
    I do enjoy reading Chuck Lorre's vanity cards and I often wonder where he gets his inspiration from.
    An entertaining writer, not a serious one, just a good comedy satirist.
    If it makes you laugh, great. If it doesn't, don't watch it.

    1. Re:Taken too seriously by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      If it makes you laugh, great. If it doesn't, don't watch it.

      I feel the same about football -- but that, sadly, does not fly with certain geeks. There are people who not only don't like certain entertainments, but are offended by those who do.

      Some kind of an insecurity thing, I guess.

    2. Re:Taken too seriously by LessThanObvious · · Score: 2

      WTF would possess anyone to complain to the FCC about Big Bang Theory, not the network, but the FCC, fucking seriously? Those complaints should go directly to the garbage bin, because anyone who writes one is clearly too stupid to be allowed to have the means of communicating with other humans.

    3. Re:Taken too seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I complained to the FCC once and got a phone call from them! They explained in detail how seriously they take the complaints they receive and that they are actively working to do something with them. Unfortunately, they explained, there was nothing they could do for my complaint, but they still took it quite seriously.

      Yep, went just like that.

    4. Re:Taken too seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sports in general offends me. not because of the action itself.

      but because we dump BILLIONS into it every year and get nothing in return.

      a large chunk of it is even my tax money being pissed away on stadiums and other shit.

    5. Re:Taken too seriously by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      no worse or better than The Simpsons,

      The Simpsons (the frankly amazing show that's been off the air for over 15 years) or the Zombie Simpsons, the reanimated corpse of the simpsons which has been lurching its way all over Fox for longer than the life of the original show.

      If you mean the latter, then yes, sure. If you mean the former, then no way.

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    6. Re:Taken too seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they weren't hung like a stallion?

    7. Re:Taken too seriously by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Really Potsy? That's who you complain to moron. The FCC regulates TV and if you don't like the content, you complain the FCC. The FCC look into it and if the network is in violation, the network gets fine.

    8. Re:Taken too seriously by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      WTF would possess anyone to complain to the FCC about Big Bang Theory, not the network, but the FCC, fucking seriously? Those complaints should go directly to the garbage bin, because anyone who writes one is clearly too stupid to be allowed to have the means of communicating with other humans.

      this gives me an idea. from now on, whenever a cop show or whatever has a murder, I'm going to write the FCC to complain that there was a murder televised and the police (real police) are not investigating.

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  33. Dilbert? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize the show was supposed to be about geeks. I thought it was ironically portraying the disconnect between the academic pursuit of science and things that happen in the real world.

    I've never seen it.

    I take it they intended to do "Dilbert in hard-science academia" but were about as effective as liberal artists usually are when they try to portray anything on the physics or engineering side of the fence?

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  34. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Actually there's no hacker mentality required to be a geek. Stop gatekeeping what a geek is.

    Like, the hacker mentality kinda sucks, actually. It's convinced a lot of people that broken software like Windows is worth keeping around because there are work arounds for the warts in the system.

    Whatever happened to just having a deep appreciation and enthusiasm for something?

    Or biting heads off chickens? If you're not biting heads off chickens, you're not a real geek.

    I always saw being a geek as more of a obsessive type behavior of a particular hobby or past time, usually non-athletic in nature, such as fantasy, sci-fi, cinema, A/V, etc.

  35. Redundant links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are two links in the summary: both to the same place. wtf?

  36. situational comedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes I think we forget that sitcom is short for situational comedy and the conflict between the pop culture obsessed aspiring actress and the too smart for his own good scientist is ripe with comedic conflict. The conflict appeals to both sides. The more pop culture influenced people identify with Penny and laugh at Sheldon and Leonard. The geekier people identify with Sheldon and Leonard and laugh at Penny. From a comedic standpoint it's golden. If you don't like the subject matter then that's a different story.

  37. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Canth7 · · Score: 1

    I've always considered the show to be "blackface" for nerds.

    Or "White Chicks" for Monty Python writers.

  38. I see that idiots still hate geeks... by Shoten · · Score: 2

    I'm not a fan of BBT at all, for the various reasons described on the "geek" side above. But I gotta say, after reading these complaints...wow. Yeah, the show's not getting taken down anytime soon on account of these chuckleheads.

    Here's a subset of a particular gem:

    He is harass and reached out via his mother for helped and asked them to stop-In other words he reported it, his mother reported it and the bullying proceed. -message that we as responsible adults want to give to our children and others

    Okay, that's about all I can take of that. There's only so much I can stand of prose written by a lifetime aficionado of the flavor of paint chips.

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    1. Re:I see that idiots still hate geeks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey jerkface lead paint is fucking DELICIOUS! Don't knock it til you've tried it dude...

    2. Re:I see that idiots still hate geeks... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      lifetime aficionado of the flavor of paint chips.

      blue taste best

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  39. Funny is relative, I think it's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
    I think the show is funny although often predictable. Some the jokes are stupid but they hit with other demographics. I think it's crazy that geeks/nerds/etc complain about the show because it's stereotyping or that there is a ditsy blonde stereotype because first off the show represents a pretty wide spectrum of people. Some are quite ordinary the show focuses on one subset none of which are anywhere near as unique as the people I work with. I've been working in a specialty R&D engineering company in Philly for almost 20 years. We have most engineering disciplines covered as well as a bunch of PhDs in specialty areas. I had a co-worker while we were traveling lecture the TSA on why some of there restricted materials were stupid and what they should be looking for because he had a dozen ways to take down a plane. I've had co-workers have to get climate controlled storage spaces not because they need room in there house but because they had so many comic books their floors were buckling. I've met people who might as well be Sheldon and Leonard, both PhDs professors who are the characters to a T if Sheldon and Leonard also played MTG 6 hours every day. My friend who hates the show the worst might as well be Howard, if Howard never got a girl. I've not just worked with every character from the show I've worked with a more extreme version of everyone on the show.

  40. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

    The show is OK, but isn't really for geeks and none of the characters are much like any geek I've ever known. I always wonder, does the Sheldon character like Windows and Microsoft because they get a kickback? I find it implausible that his character would be not just a user, but a true MSFT fan.

  41. FCC? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

    FCC complaints are not really the place to go for anything. The only people who ever complain to the FCC about anything other than radio interference are..... crackpots and wingnut commanders. Yes, there are enough crackpots out there with enough free time to generate some complaints, but that doesn't mean its anything other than the ravings of the insane.

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  42. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An elitest 'geek'. You are pathetic.

  43. I liked the first season... by FrozenGeek · · Score: 1

    ... but since year one, the program has morphed from a fairly geeky show into "Friends with Nerds". Meh. If I want sexual innuendo, there are other shows that do it better. Time to bring it to an end.

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    1. Re:I liked the first season... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... but since year one, the program has morphed from a fairly geeky show into "Friends with Nerds". Meh. If I want sexual innuendo, there are other shows that do it better. Time to bring it to an end.

      The big change was in season 4, which rebooted the nature of the show without rebooting the plot. The gender ratio was balanced up by introducing more female main cast members and the characters' personalities were changed to be less abrasive and more "relate-able" for the average TV watcher. For example Raj and Howard used to represent extreme (stereotyped) geek attitudes to women - one too afraid to even talk to any woman between 15 and 65 and the other constantly hitting on any woman in sight no matter how inappropriate it was. After the reboot they have become much more conventional sitcom characters: Howard is a hen-pecked but devoted boyfriend/husband and Raj is now clearly gay but in denial. Sheldon goes from aggressively self-sabotaging every human relationship he has, to having a girlfriend...

    2. Re:I liked the first season... by harperska · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I disagree. Yes, the show has evolved to be more about the relationships than in earlier seasons. But that is due to genuine character development rather than just a who-is-sleeping-with-whom like in other sitcoms.

      Sheldon's character development is especially believable and interesting. We have a character who is clearly autistic (the actor and production company deny it, but probably because their lawyers tell them to. It is a spot on portrayal of high functioning autism), who has no comprehension of human interaction, and has developed severe misanthropy as a coping mechanism. He then finally meets the first person ever who truly tries to understand him and wants to help him be a better person, rather than simply trying to tolerate his quirks as his family and friends do. Which leads to the dynamic of him genuinely trying to change far beyond his comfort zone for her, while she has trouble being patient with what she perceives as his glacially slow development.

  44. Feel bad by cdrudge · · Score: 1

    I actually feel bad for some lowly analyst job at the FCC that has to read each and every one of these complaints and issue some type of a response to the complaint. In between fits of laughter from what was submitted, and uncontrollable crying when you realize you're job is to read them.

  45. Hate the Big Bang Theory? But, why? ah, wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It took me a while (I'm not american, and I have no TV - and, I guess, I'm a nerd) to understand that the post was not speaking of the Big Bang Theory itself, but of a TV series with that title.

    1. Re:Hate the Big Bang Theory? But, why? ah, wait... by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

      We get creationists here, too. http://drdino.com/

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  46. the first 2 seasons are good, then they got in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    too many weird women and romantic stupid plots, then the only hot woman turned into a lesbian looking horse woman thing, then they cut her hair to a point she looks like ellen page could scissor her. By the time the 4th season began the series was dead

    i just use to watch like the first couple episodes of every season, check if its still shit, and turn it off. Im afraid to watch this season episode 1, after the ugly haircut the next thing happening is the girl has a sex change and going full shemale

    Its a shit series, altho im sure if you managed to watch a whole season, there would be like 2 episodes that are cool, its just too much work, not worth it

    1. Re:the first 2 seasons are good, then they got in by mark-t · · Score: 1

      It wasn't her employers that asked Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting to cut her hair... that was *HER* choice. She wanted to do it, not her employers. The writers decided to give an in-story reason for it, but it wasn't their idea... not sure where you got the notion that it was.

      As for her being the only hot woman on the show, both Mellissa Rauch and Mayim Bialik are pretty damn easy on the eyes when you see them out of character.

  47. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by mark-t · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The show is OK, but isn't really for geeks and none of the characters are much like any geek I've ever known.

    Go to a con sometime.... you will encounter every geek stereotype you can imagine. While one might legitimately argue that the characters on BBT are exaggerations of what the the average geek is probably like, if what I encounter whenever I go to a con is any indication at all, I would say they are probably not more than a standard deviation or so away from the norm, and I find that it is not remotely an unbelievable cross-section of nerd-dom. Truth be told, it's unlikely many people would consider a sitcom about more typical nerds to be very funny anyways (and while a lot of people don't think BBT is very funny, one only has to look at the ratings to realize that there exists no small number of people that think otherwise).

    But honestly, many of the people I encounter at cons make the characters on BBT seem tame in comparison, I have more than encountered my share of Sheldons, Leonards, Howards, and Raj's.

  48. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My sentiments also. Yes, the geekery is dumbed down for general audiences, but would it be the #1 sitcom if the endless comic book references were Neal Stephenson references instead? It does manage to nail a significant number of nerd-culture specialties, such as the pecking order among different types of scientists and engineers, and the angry little academic wrangles that perfectly illustrate Kingsley Amis' comment, "The reason that academic disputes are so bitter is that the stakes are so small." It gets away with a lot of ethnic humor and innuendos hitherto reserved for cable.

    The FCC complaints from religious cranks among the general audiences are exactly the same as complaints about other top shows. Civilization means that such people write letters to government bureaus, rather than chopping peoples' heads off.

  49. Edited for content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, not to break up a (somewhat) popular hate fest, but you HAVE to realize, for any given sitcom on commercial TV, there's inevitably going to be FCC complaints, many of which are going to be ... strange. I am endowed like a stallion. Consider, in any group of people 300M large, a significant fraction of which watch TV, a significant fraction of *that* having no other damn thing going in their lives, what the heck do you THINK is going to happen? I am endowed like a stallion. We used to call these people Fred and Ethyl, after Lucy's hapless elderly neighbors. I am endowed like a stallion. Fred and Ethyl eat dinner off tin fold-up TV trays and watch TV in real time, including commercials. I am endowed like a stallion. Fred and Ethyl can't tell the difference between rubber brains and the head meat of small animals. I am endowed like a stallion. They think objects thrown from offstage must be from monkeys in a cage because that's what the dialog alludes to. I am endowed like a stallion. They think the sounds of a cat squalling are being made by someone torturing a cat just behind that fake window there. I am endowed like a stallion. Combine this with the current fashion of being offended at the tiniest opportunity, and what do you THINK is going to happen? I am endowed like a stallion.

    This article speaks more about the reporters than the reportees. I am endowed like a stallion. It's non-news, but it bashes a show that some geeks don't like.I am endowed like a stallion. So let's go with it. (In Kevin Kline's voice) I am endowed like a stallion. DisapPOINTed.

    And finally, it's not a laugh track -- it's a multicamera studio production in front of a live audience. I am endowed like a stallion. Geeze.

    I thought this was news for nerds. Not news for clueless nerds. I am endowed like a pony.

    1. Re:Edited for content by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I am trying to imagine Kevin Kline as Otto saying "I am endowed like a stallion".

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    2. Re:Edited for content by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      You know, that actually wasn't to hard to hear in Otto's voice.

      Damn you.

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    3. Re:Edited for content by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      And, damn it - we must all be really fucking old to have gotten a reference from AFCW.

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  50. Never gave it a chance! by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 2

    This show stands alone in the history of entertainment as the one piece of media that I decided willfully not to give any chance whatsoever, regardless of input from friends and relatives. I read the premise of the pilot, was insulted, and said to myself "the masses of above average intelligence normies are going to LOVE this crap". Now, in 2015, I feel privileged that I couldn't pick a single Big Bang theory actor out of a lineup. Also, get off my lawn.

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    1. Re:Never gave it a chance! by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      I don't even OWN a television!

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    2. Re:Never gave it a chance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This show stands alone in the history of entertainment as the one piece of media that I decided willfully not to give any chance whatsoever, regardless of input from friends and relatives. I read the premise of the pilot, was insulted, and said to myself "the masses of above average intelligence normies are going to LOVE this crap". Now, in 2015, I feel privileged that I couldn't pick a single Big Bang theory actor out of a lineup. Also, get off my lawn.

      I feel ya dawg. It's like when MS was going public and all I had to do was put in about $2,000 and I'd be a multi-millionaire right now. I decided willfully to not give some crazy software upstart a chance! Now, in 2015, I feel privileged that I can't even afford a house. I'd say get off my lawn but, alas, I don't have one. :(

    3. Re:Never gave it a chance! by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Is that you, Sheldon?

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    4. Re:Never gave it a chance! by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

      Is that you, Sheldon?

      I envy the water cooler style camaraderie those of you who know who "Sheldon" is must share at this comment. Don't I?

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  51. It used to be funny by dskoll · · Score: 1

    But alas, Big Bang Theory has jumped its shark and become plain stupid and tedious.

    1. Re:It used to be funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was inevitable when they started giving wil wheaton major screen time.

      He is death for a tv show.

  52. Or age of the universe. by riverat1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've never seen the show either. When I first read the headline I was thinking it was going to be a story about how non-geeks don't like the big bang theory because it implies the Universe is far older than their religious teachings say it is.

    1. Re:Or age of the universe. by martinfb · · Score: 1

      I've never seen the show either. When I first read the headline I was thinking it was going to be a story about how non-geeks don't like the big bang theory because it implies the Universe is far older than their religious teachings say it is.

      I Wish it DID do that!!!

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  53. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    I have definitely always assumed that the characters on BBT would never watch the show.

  54. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by JDAustin · · Score: 1

    As a long term geek, I cannot stand this show. None of the geeks I know watch it (although that is like a the liberal from Manhattan wondering how Nixon was elected even though none of their friends voted for him). It's just a generic multi camera sit com that plays to the lowest common denominator like shows such as Friends before it.

    Personally, I always thought Community was the show that geeks watched.

  55. I'm a geek, and I like it... by chriskenrick · · Score: 1

    As a geek, I can definitely relate to it. I'm married to a much less geeky wife, and our relationship dynamic is definitely similar to Penny and Leonards, with him being book smart but life challenged, and her being life smart but academically challenged. Sure it's an exaggeration of a stereotype, but so much of comedy is.

    Of course, the exception where my wife goes against type is in her relatively new hobby of collecting Pop Vinyls figurines, which even makes her go into comic book stores and the like of her own accord!

  56. The most irritating thing... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 5, Funny

    The most irritating thing about Big Bang Theory is my relatives telling me I would love it because I'm smart and into computers.

    1. Re:The most irritating thing... by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Hahaha. Oh god some one please up vote this.

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    2. Re:The most irritating thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm smart and into computers and I do like it. It's well above baseline funny. Friends, How I met your mother, BBt, etc are all ok. The choice of topics was very good in BBT in season one, but I guess there is only so much things you can make fun of in geek culture. They kinda had to use other things as well. It's still ok.

    3. Re:The most irritating thing... by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Sorry I don't have any votes. But it looks like some have already upvoted it.
      And yes, that is my most irritating point about it too.
      Also the smerks that some relatives get, when I say it is takes things a bit too far to be realistic... 8-)

  57. The IT Crowd by negrace · · Score: 0

    The IT Crowd kicks TBBT's ass. The last several seasons of TBBT are soap opera trash. The current season is a waste of time.

    1. Re:The IT Crowd by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Yes, the IT Crowd has even cheaper stereotypes: women can't cope with computers; management does nothing; IT workers are either slovenly men with poor social skills or OCD men with poor social skills.

      However, I think implication was that cheap stereotype are bad.

    2. Re:The IT Crowd by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Yes, the IT Crowd has even cheaper stereotypes: women can't cope with computers; management does nothing; IT workers are either slovenly men with poor social skills or OCD men with poor social skills.

      But it's exceedingly funny.

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    3. Re:The IT Crowd by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      It's an exaggeration, of course. The main difference betwen TITC and BBT is that The IT Crowd actually manages to be funny. Hilarious at times.

    4. Re:The IT Crowd by fropenn · · Score: 1

      I've thought about this for some time. I find IT Crowd really funny, but I can't connect with TBBT. My thought is that in the IT Crowd we are laughing with the Geeks, in TBBT we are laughing at them. Certainly IT Crowd has stereotypes and exaggerations (comedy would almost be impossible without exaggerations, by the way), but it develops more empathy toward its characters and allows us a way into their experiences much more than TBBT. Take Jen, for instance. Even though she is a stereotype (woman who doesn't understand computers but somehow ends up in charge of IT), she's portrayed as a real person who wants to do a good job and recognizes her shortcomings but just wants to be successful (and really the joke is on the higher level management who hired her without knowing anything about IT or computers, either!).

    5. Re:The IT Crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main difference is that TITC finished after 2 seasons. While it was still funny.

    6. Re:The IT Crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 seasons, even, but the point still stands.

  58. Cat got your tongue? (I was told to use it) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually the show is lame since all geeks I know also like to teardown things, do (h)ac(k)tivism, they fork software if needed and hack stuff, activities that often shiny of its absence in the show. The writers of the show never had seen Slashdot forums for sure, so basically is like to made a news report of USA using a Japanese translated magazine of Time.

    Basically we a cool nerdy guy that resembles Charlie Brown, a Jewish sexual perv (which is everything but a geek), a shy guy that can pass a geek, and of course Dr. Cooper who really is the center of the show. Add some chicks for remove the sexual innuendo of gay and shake in non sense jokes.

    More than nerdy or geek, this show resembles more "Weird Science" from 1980s with lewd language. I had enough around season 3 and since then I haven't see it again. I microwave popcorn and read the nerdy battles here when a topic do not praise (insert favorite idol here), they are more funny. ;)

    1. Re:Cat got your tongue? (I was told to use it) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the show is lame since all geeks I know also like to teardown things, do (h)ac(k)tivism, they fork software if needed and hack stuff, activities that often shiny of its absence in the show. The writers of the show never had seen Slashdot forums for sure, so basically is like to made a news report of USA using a Japanese translated magazine of Time.

      I haven't watched it in a while, but it did for a long time have a whole lot of subtle serious geek stuff hidden in it, particularly if you have a laboratory research (and especially physics) background. They don't spend a lot of time doing "maker" type hacks, but they did mess around with rocket fuel and make fish that glow green under UV, among other things (I know people who do both of those). There was a while when nearly everything that they did on the show happened at my house a few weeks earlier (and I don't know anybody involved in it, but do live in a dual scientist household in southern California). Then there are the subtle things like the fistfight at a conference with a supersolid helium reference. Real life didn't quite go that far, but there was more than a little real life tension over that. And I have seen people coming close to wrestling each other at talks. And the ultimate joke is Sheldon - he's got a head with a lot of horsepower and a ton of physics knowledge, but he's wasting it on string theory.

      And plenty of professional scientists I know don't do a lot of what /. would consider hacking at home because they get paid to do it all day, every day, with someone else paying for the toys, and when they spend time at home working it's usually reading or writing something related to what they're hacking at work.

  59. I don't like the crude humor on the show by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

    You'd think for being educated, they'd have a higher level of wit. I find in life the smarter someone is, the more entertaining their jokes can be. But enough of the show, if you want some cheap laughs, go back and read all the comments in this thread in Sheldon's voice. It is comedy gold since everyone is over analyzing.

    1. Re:I don't like the crude humor on the show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? I've met many extremely high IQ people with the sense of humor of a root canal. I've not found sense of humor in any way related to IQ.

  60. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go to a con sometime.... you will encounter every geek stereotype you can imagine. While one might legitimately argue that the characters on BBT are exaggerations of what the the average geek is probably like, if what I encounter whenever I go to a con is any indication at all, I would say they are probably not more than a standard deviation or so away from the norm,

    People who attend cons are self-selected groups, and trying to determine a "norm" from such a group would be a mistake. It is also a positive feedback loop, where edge-of-the-curve geeks flock because they create an environment where they're comfortable.

    It's like going to a smoking lounge in an airport, counting heads, and saying that "smoking is the norm".

  61. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hear hear!

  62. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The show is OK, but isn't really for geeks and none of the characters are much like any geek I've ever known.

    I'm a physicist in Pasadena. I know more than a few people like each of the characters, and may or may not be similar to some of them.

    The first three seasons were pretty good, and there are (or at least were) quite a few physics in-jokes, but it's hard to maintain something like that and they've turned most of the characters into caricatures of their earlier season versions.

  63. Quit with the Geek Hipsterism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm an engineering professional with a Master's degree and a dozen patents and I enjoy the show for the jokes and the situational gags. Sure, there's some suspension of disbelief, but I can sit down and watch this with my non-geek wife (who is a counseling psychologist) and we can both enjoy it. Who cares if it's a bit cookie cutter, it's light enjoyable fodder, exactly what I want from primetime TV. If I want more serious geekyness I'll go watch pay TV, or turn it off and surf the web.

  64. The real reason by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    People hate this show because they cannot cope with the idea that the problems that geeks have are basically a lot like the problems non-geeks have, e.g. communication problems in relationships, wage disparity between spouses, job change leading to existential crises.

    1. Re:The real reason by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      LMOL or it could have something to do with NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.....lather rinse repeat is the norm for this show. The fact that they act like teenagers while being professionals in their 30s working at a Caltech, should have tipped you off.

  65. WHO CARES by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Watch it or don't watch it.

  66. Brainwash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jew studios.

    1. Re:Brainwash. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Mr Sheen? Still not over it?

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    2. Re:Brainwash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You meant Mel Gibson? Anybody who notices it understands it, not only a couple Hollywood actors. In fact, if you let your kids get programmed by Jew TV you reap what you sow. You are going to have to study dilute and diminish for a long long time to even pretend you can hide Jew lies.

    3. Re:Brainwash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr Sheen? Still not over it?

      http://www.marwenmedia.com/articles_images/MelGibson.html

  67. Science or Entertainment? by Nehmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is /., not People magazine. The big bang theory is firstly about the beginning of our universe. This predates the TV sitcom that adopted the name. Submitter should punctuated the title to indicate he/she was referring to the name of the sitcom.

    Nowadays, misleading titles translates into rudely wasting people's time. The sloppy title counts as a fault as serious as you can get in terms of punctuation errors.

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  68. I've been in the audience by ominouscucumber · · Score: 5, Informative

    I live near Burbank where the Big Bang Theory is recorded. The show's not that funny, fine, but it's fun to watch them tape it. I've been in the audience. While I can't speak for everyone there, I'm not a robot and I was given the authority of when to laugh. There's no "Laugh Now Or We'll Find You" signs. People literally laugh out at the slightest thing. I assume it's because only the most ardent fans go through the trouble of attending (the whole process can take 7-10 hours). As for the weird faux laugh-track; audiences are recorded separately from the actor's mics. I wouldn't put it past studio to "rev up" the audience track on the jokes that fall short. The interesting thing is that when a joke fails (not that uncommon; surprised?), you see the writers huddling next to the director, and after a few minutes reshoot the scene with a different joke/line. It's interesting to watch the process, if not exhausting. TL;DR: I've been in the Big Bang Theory audience; real humans, actually laughing with their mouth holes

    1. Re:I've been in the audience by Solandri · · Score: 2

      As for the weird faux laugh-track; audiences are recorded separately from the actor's mics. I wouldn't put it past studio to "rev up" the audience track on the jokes that fall short.

      I would imagine they don't bother synchronizing the audience reaction with the show, and instead pick out clips of genuine audience laughter and splice it back into the final show in editing. Otherwise the shots where the actor keeps blowing a line and the 5th take is the keeper, there would be no laughter because the audience has heard the joke 5 times. Once you start copying the laughter from the 1st take into that 5th take, it's just a slide down a slippery slope to copying laughter from jokes that worked to jokes that didn't.

    2. Re:I've been in the audience by trout007 · · Score: 1

      Same thing with all show audiences. To most people it's just a thrill to go see any TV show so you are like the nieve girl laughing at all of the guys jokes. It's just what is expected of you. I used to go to the Late Show in NYC and when I watched it again at night it didn't seem as funny. Something about a live performance. Maybe you feel empathy towards the performer and are cheering them on to have a good show.

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  69. Nut filter. by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Anything popular is going to attract all manner of crazy from the general public.

    Doesn't even have to be all that popular. Just be glad that we have professionals at the FCC listening to these nuts, and I figure the nuts probably write the FCC quite often, rather than us having to listen to them.

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  70. Not funny? by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

    I'd imagine their complaints are similar to geeks: that the show just isn't funny. Making lame, obvious pop culture references is not comedy, it's plagiarism.

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  71. WHY does the bitching about this show never end? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For god's sake, it's (or has been) the number one network show for a couple of years.... We hear half-decent jokes about The Doctor, and sometimes we even hear relevant tidbits on current physics research. Certainly not enough that anybody in their right mind would consider it "educational" but geez. There's enough people that would be reading this comments thread and if being fair, have reason to call it a silly mockumentary, or even biography of chunks of their lives.
    Be fucking grateful it's not two and a half idiots, or Honey Boo-Boo, watch, don't, or STFU about the STUDIO AUDIENCE that laughs too easily!

  72. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    as someone who lives and works around those types, it's partially accurate.

    The problem with BBT is the lazy writing and shoddy two dimensional characters. They lean on so many tropes it's like watching a drunk man trying to escort a paraplegic through an obstacle course.

    I welcome depictions of those kinds of nerds in media, however, I don't welcome shitty writing and hackneyed jokes.

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  73. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always considered the show to be "blackface" for nerds.

    The show has evolved over the years. While it used to be a compare and contrast of geeks versus normal people, it's now a show about relationships.

    Leonard and Penny's benchmark "normal, but nerdy" relationship compared to Howard and Bernadette's cuckolding relationship, compared to Amy's needs with Sheldon, and finally to Raj's struggle to find a keep a girlfriend.

    It used to be geeks v. world. Now it's geeks v. geeks. It's why Raj talks to women now, and why we rarely see them interact with "normies" except to setup a problem that each couple treats differently -- or that the boys treat differently than the vastly-more-normal girls.

    [For what it's worth, I never found it be nerd blackface. We both laughed at and with them...]

  74. Put a fork in it... by Trogre · · Score: 1

    The fact that it's run for at least three more seasons that it should have.

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    1. Re:Put a fork in it... by TheSync · · Score: 1

      When you can still pull 15 million on the overnight ratings, you are doing fine!

  75. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Pikoro · · Score: 1

    I find it more likely that his computer uses windows because some of the jokes actually involve sounds that his computer is making. Since the vast majority of the TV viewing audience is not going to recognize any linux DE sounds, it makes more sense to use MS noises. Things like skype connecting, ringing, or disconnecting are things people will know.

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  76. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those would be nerds, not geeks. Geeks watch the show.

  77. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by mark-t · · Score: 2

    My point is that the characters *ARE* fairly "normal" when compared with such a group, and since many of the characters are supposed to be geeks and/or nerds anyways, it's my observation that the characters are not that unrepresentative of the subculture that they are supposed to be portraying. In my opinion, people who say they don't know any nerds like the characters on that show probably haven't ever attended events where nerds of *ALL* types tend to gather. The characters may come across as being grossly exaggerated for comedic effect to some people, but in general, I'd say they are pretty spot on with regards to the kinds of people that are actually out there. Maybe they aren't *exactly* "normal", even for the demographic that they represent, but as I said above, if they did a show about more "typical" nerds, how the characters would handle whatever situations might ensue on the show would probably not be interesting enough to most people to form a successful comedy series, as BBT has done.

    I watch BBT, and I laugh... not just at the characters, but also at myself, because I know as well as my wife does that many of the things that some of the characters do are not unlike how I respond to situations as well.

  78. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The show is OK, but isn't really for geeks and none of the characters are much like any geek I've ever known. I always wonder, does the Sheldon character

    You must be new here. Half the posters on this site are Sheldon Cooper clones with ridiculous self-serving 'logic,' superiority complexes and an active disregard for experiences outsides their own. Of all the characters on the show, Sheldon Cooper is the truest to life.

  79. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Sheldon actually had a line where he declared that Ubuntu was his favorite Linux.

    The fact that they engage in a lot of gaming (sadly) implies that they will be running Windows at least some of the time. Don't recall much evangelism either way besides that one throwaway line about Ubuntu.

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  80. Never seen it?? by valnar · · Score: 0

    I'm amused by the jerkfest I'm reading here from people "one upping" each other on how they've never watched an episode, or didn't know what it was about, or never heard of it. Plueezz. For whatever reason, it seems to make people feel superior by rising above BBT. Well, it doesn't make you seem any more enlightened - only pompous, or perhaps lacking a sense of humor.

    I love the show. I think it's funny. And as a counterpoint, I couldn't stand The Office....but at least I've heard of it.

    1. Re:Never seen it?? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I used to. Personally I think it's gone the way of the Simpsons. Used to be insanely good, a real gem of prime time TV, close enough to me actually honestly thinking about getting a TV again, but it jumped that shark somewhere. I dare say it was somewhere after Sheldon got a girlfriend and Leonard got together with Raj's sister.

      I can't put my finger on it, maybe the jokes started to repeat or maybe it just got a bit too outlandish for my tastes.

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    2. Re:Never seen it?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dare say it was somewhere after Sheldon got a girlfriend and Leonard got together with Raj's sister.

      The episode where they did the statistics on finding Sheldon a girlfriend was most likely based on a case where the students of a well known physics professor did the same analysis to see how many reasonably eligible partners were available in the area. I think she mentioned it in an interview and it showed up on the show a few months later. They concluded the numbers weren't worth the effort, and weren't in a position to just write in a new character and call casting to round up someone to play them.

  81. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by skam240 · · Score: 1

    "The show doesn't have intellectual humor - it just makes you think it does..."

    I think you just hit the nail on the head in regards to why I've never liked the show. When Homer goes "Doh" the Simpsons are clearly appealling to my "inner dummy". When I've watched Big Bang Theory I feel like the show is trying to appeal to my "inner intellectual" but is really just dumb jokes. That change up doesnt work for me at all. It feels like the show is insulting me.

    Also I find every character I've seen on the show to be whiney, pathetic, and completely unlikable but that's a side issue.

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  82. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by waterford0069 · · Score: 1

    Agreed. I know a lot of people who self identify as nerd/geek and they do like the show (myself included). Is suspect a lot of the backlash from people who feel the show is making fun of nerds/geeks rather than with them.

    We have a show with main characters who are all likable, sympathetic and are vulnerable. The characters are aware that they are atypical and have their struggles with the "typical" world and typical challenges within "their own" community

    Much like the British IT Crowd. (yah, I worked in that office for a while)

    If I thought the jokes were in mean spirited, I wouldn't be watching.

  83. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by radarskiy · · Score: 1

    "it's like a lot of other sitcoms"

    The central premise of a sitcom is the character thinks "Everyone is an idiot except me". Since we eventually get a POV form every character, that means that everyone is an idiot.

  84. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by KGIII · · Score: 1

    It is threads like this that make me realize how disconnected I am. I don't recognize or even know most of the references. I'm not actually sure why I'm reading the thread except I was curious.

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  85. I judge you based on the TV you like by nuonguy · · Score: 1

    During my best moments, I try to avoid doing that, but at my worst, I lose all respect for you if you actually like BBT or Two and a Half Men.

    I think the guy who said it was "blackface for nerds" nailed it.

    1. Re:I judge you based on the TV you like by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The guy who first said it was nerd blackface was using racist oriented language to produce an emotional reaction, rather than relying on the strength of his arguments that the show was a bad one to convince people, he used deliberately emotionally charged words to strongly polarize the reaction to its use, and because the reaction to blackface is negative in popular culture today, the use of the term would be more likely to produce empathy to the writer's perspective than it would be to polarize one's against it.

      I fullly agree with the guy who wrote this.

    2. Re:I judge you based on the TV you like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more like nerd drag. Just as drag queens put on a display of exaggerated femininity and dare us to say they aren't truly feminine, these actors put on an exaggerated display of nerdiness.

    3. Re:I judge you based on the TV you like by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Oh my gosh... imagine that!

      Actors portraying characters that don't resemble the actor's actual persona in the slightest!

      Whoever would have imagined...?

  86. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you seem confused

  87. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > None of the geeks I know watch TV. They are too busy posting on Slashdot.

    There, FTFY.

  88. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, no.

    Enthusiasm should be a bit more than mass consumerism, which is the current manifestation of geek. It is signatory just because aspects of it are in vogue now, and while I mostly dislike elitism, you really want to keep that barbarian hoard at the door. We've already been through too many subcultures getting co-opted that ultimately end up destroyed, or watering them down so much that the distinction between geek and non-geek is inconsequential. I'm just a non-committal, casual geek. On the weekends. But look at my shiney.

    Having a deep appreciation/knowledge of something usually means being able to deconstruct it, which is the basis of hacking. Less than just a fandom, geekdom is more like a guild. It's open to anyone, but you have to display some aptitude to get in.

  89. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by tom229 · · Score: 1

    A nerd, geek, whatever you want to call it, to me, has always meant someone who's unequivocally "not normal". They don't fit in without effort. They don't tow lines, or do things just because "it's tradition" or "that's just way you do it". A nerd is someone that swims against the social current not because it's popular, but solely for their own reasons.

    Therefore, this mentality flies in the face of trends and fashion. However, it meshes perfectly with the hipsters quest for irony (a trend who's desire is not to follow trends). Thus, hipsters have embraced their interpretation of "nerd culture" as an ironic fashion trend. It's deeply disturbing and highly offensive if you ask me.

    With specific regard to The Big Bang Theory: I think it started as something generally trying to be evocative niche programming, but devolved into a cliche for the current social trend (hipster). Such is the demise of all ratings-chasing television shows.

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  90. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consumer testing works!

  91. wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Followed the link and read a few of the comments.
    So. Glad. I. Don't. Watch. TV.

  92. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    You obviously have no idea about how comics are produced. They are drawn and scripted by artists and writers no computer geeks or nerds. Hence many artists and writers attend, so basically a cross section of intellect and creativity and never to forget the cheetos crowd how never left immaturity also attend but for non creative or intellectual reasons. A slice through the whole available spectrum rather than one single end. However they are actively promoted on the internet between internet types and they then as the result of viral marketing tend to dominate, so more creative and more intellectual types and fewer cheetos types. So in many ways it does actually represent the cross section an international airport represents because the cheetos types often can not afford to fly far.

    What the non-geeks really hate about the Big Bang Theory, we know exactly what, they are stilled mired in the high school jealously of not being able to learn as easily as some, no matter how hard they tried before the gave up in humiliation and sought other methods to strike back at those who learn so much more with no visible effort.

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  93. Whooosh by tom229 · · Score: 1

    Literally all of those complaints can be attributed to having a very poor sense of humor, or none at all. How sad.

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    1. Re:Whooosh by mark-t · · Score: 1

      One could say the same thing about many of the complaints that nerds often make about the show.

  94. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

    None of the geeks I know watch TV.
    They are too busy getting stuff done.

    You don't know any geeks who watch Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead or...

    I like the Big Bang Theory. It's not smart, it doesn't try to be smart but I find it plenty funny. Sure they laugh at the geeks, but they also laugh at the non-geeks. Geeks are getting pissed off because geeks are being made fun of but it's like South Park, there is nobody who is off limits so it's fine. The geeks are dumb and the regular people are neanderthals. Bafoonery is a old reliable source of comedy.

  95. honestly... by buddyglass · · Score: 2

    I dislike it because it's not funny. Like, at all.

    1. Re:honestly... by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      I dislike it because it's not funny. Like, at all.

      I'm going to write my own complaint to the FCC: AUTOTROPHS DO NOT DROOL!!!!!

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  96. Who is forcing them to watch? by damn_registrars · · Score: 0

    There are likely very few people who can't find something on TV that they find unwatchable. For me, it would mostly be the "ultimate fighting" - or from my experience better called "ultimate grandstanding" - shows. But nobody forces me to watch them. I can choose to watch other shows or to just turn off the TV completely. I'm pretty sure these people who are claiming such offense at the Big Bang Theory have the same option.

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  97. Re: None of the people I know that Like this Show. by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

    That's actually obvious. The only thing he really uses his computer for is internet and gaming. Windows is just as capable in the former and currently superior in the latter. His science is all plotted out in his head.

  98. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    I like it, and I know a lot of people more geeky than I am who like it. It does help if you know people in real life with similar personality quirks as are on the show.

    I'd rather watch all the episodes all over again than to watch even one episode of the hipster faux Silicon Valley tv show.

  99. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't see that. Black face is intensely offensive. Big Bang Theory only insults people without a sense of humor who can't laugh at themselves. Geeks should never become a protected class, that's ridiculous. Speaking as a nerd myself, nerds are indeed funny. To try and equate these two things is offensive in itself.

  100. I read a few of the complaints... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read a few of the complaints. To be fair, I have an A.D. in Electronics Engineering, a B.Sc. in Computer Science. I've known honors physics majors who were astronomy minors... And I read a lot of the complaints. The show is more humorous than the people that I know, and the characters are more extroverted than the people I know. The people I know don't go around talking about science all the time. They drop bits of science here and there, and are very smart, but don't go around blurbing facts all over. Knowing your audience is something all of them know. Sure you get used to speaking to a particular target audience (I know second grade teachers that dumb down conversations out of habit), but ordinary life doesn't usually involve quantum theory. My biggest issue with all of the complaints, when I read the letters, was the grammatical errors in the letters. Using i when they mean I, for when they mean four, there when they mean their, are just a few of the numerous errors. I realize that the general populace does not necessarily have to be fully literate in order to vote or even lodge complaints, but if they could just use spell and grammar checkers, it would go a long way to getting their message well read and understood. Having studied Computer Science, computers are far more particular about grammar than any prof. I've ever met. But the prof.'s I've had (C.S. profs.) were also extremely anal about syntax and grammar. Sure they also taught natural language processing but they usually all wanted papers written about technical subjects. The technical parts of the paper has (of course) to be correct, but when some (not me) students complained about marks removed because of grammar, spelling, syntax, context and other errors, they complained "this isn't an english class", and the prof. retorted "It's not grade school either, and we mark the quality of your arguments, and how you present them. We all expect professional quality work. The math must be correct, the argument must be logical, and the spelling/syntax/grammar/diction must all be correct. Its all fair game."

    1. Re:I read a few of the complaints... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an A.D. in Electronics Engineering, a B.Sc. in Computer Science.

      And you never learned how you could use the 'ENTER' key (some people call it 'RETURN') to put in some blank lines.

      Whatever you wrote, it is totally unreadable. It's just one grey soup of letters. Interpunction is all about making your text readable. That includes creating some blank space.

      If i was your professor your had never gotten that BSc at all with this writing style. Give your readers some time to breath for heavens sake.

  101. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    I never watched the show in the beginning, thinking it was just another Beauty and the Geek concept. But then I watched one and it was funny. It's especially funny when you notice how awful all the other "comedy" programs are on broadcast TV.

  102. Early seasons were good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first few seasons were good. When it was about geeks and geeking out about things.

    Now it's just Friends.

    1. Re:Early seasons were good by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Leonard got Penny. It just stopped being believable after that.

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  103. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go back to bed Sheldon.

  104. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by captnjohnny1618 · · Score: 1

    I wish had mod points. I'm glad someone else spotted this.

    The parent comment comparing BBT to blackface is so wildly offensive and off base that I'm inclined to not be part of a community that would excitedly express their agreement (+5 insightful) for such a comparison. I mean, I know we're pretty out-of-the-loop with pop culture as nerds and geeks, but making comparisons like that is a great way to alienate huge swaths of the population.

    Glad to see that there are a least one or two other reasonable people on this site still... :-)

  105. Re:What geeks hate the most is the lack of geekine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It started out as a good show. And morphed into 'look how weird sheldon is!' with a side of soap opera 'sex'.

  106. Penny isn't desirable anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After the 2nd season she just became unfuckable for some reason. Tits just look fake now.

    1. Re:Penny isn't desirable anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do her in the ass you don't have to look at her tits. Win-win.

  107. wut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand the submission whatsofucking ever. What the fuck does any of this have to do with the theory of the big bang?!

  108. Re:What geeks hate the most is the lack of geekine by msobkow · · Score: 1

    I have to agree. I had a tough time sitting through the last season, and this season I finally gave up after two episodes. It just seems so forced and stilted now that the "freshness" has gone off the show.

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  109. Wrong headline by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    It should read "what soccer moms without a real problem hate about the BBT".

    This is a prime example of complaints from people who have nothing to complain about but want to feel outraged about some shit. Seriously. What the fuck is this? This is a perfect display of PC bullying. Yes, the jokes are sometimes crude, graphic and silly. But that's what makes jokes funny. You know funny, right? Like "What's the opposite of Christopher Reeves? Christopher Walken." Yes, that's tasteless, yes that's VERY offensive, but most of all, it's insanely funny. Yes, I can laugh about that. And for fuck's sake, I WANT to laugh about that. Deal with it. If you don't like to hear me talking, if you don't want to hear me tell such jokes, it's well within your rights to not listen to me.

    You think that show is not suitable for your kids? Then don't let them watch it. Simple as that. The TV is not your cheap babysitter, and I refuse to let you turn it into one. Because that would also mean that I only get to see Teletubbies and similar rubbish. You wanted kids. Now deal with it. It's YOUR kids. Not mine. And don't you dare shifting the burden of raising them onto me.

    Raise them or shoot them. Either is fine with me, but don't dump them on society!

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  110. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well duh - the windows in the background show that there is more overlap the further back you go in the seating rows. It's hardly some big conspiracy.

  111. Geek hipsters man. Totally ironic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm such a geek that not only have I not watched the show and hate it, I also hate anyone who heard of it. I only watch underground craft geek humor, you're not a true geek unless it's underground man. It's like totes not cool. Think of the irony.

  112. What I hate.. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What I hate about the Big Bang Theory is the temporal asymmetry of a low entropy point just choosing to pop into existence with no understood process for getting that low entropy situation out of an earlier higher entropy situation. Either it did, or it didn't. Either way, it's asymmetric.

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    1. Re:What I hate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I hate about the Big Bang Theory is the temporal asymmetry of a low entropy point just choosing to pop into existence with no understood process for getting that low entropy situation out of an earlier higher entropy situation. Either it did, or it didn't. Either way, it's asymmetric.

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  113. USA ! :-) by ze_jua · · Score: 1

    I want a FOIA-like law for us in Europe, so we can obtain this kind of hilarious (and frightening) stuff !!

    1. Re:USA ! :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most countries in Europe have a law similar to the Freedom of Information Act.

    2. Re:USA ! :-) by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "I want a FOIA-like law for us in Europe, so we can obtain this kind of hilarious (and frightening) stuff !!"

      OR... you could just fire up a VPN, like everyone else.

  114. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is that Windows works great on the surface but is fundamentally broken, while Linux is great at it's core but is layered in buggy unfriendly crap that no right-minded person wants to spend their days fighting with.

    I use Linux all day as a server and it's fantastic. There's nothing better. Throw a GUI on it and try to use it as a desktop? Jesus Christ, I'd rather go back to Windows 98. At least every power outage wouldn't require me to boot into a command line and manually rebuild a half dozen configuration files. Did I say power outage? Because even basic software updates sometimes break the whole system (as far as the general user is concerned) as well.

  115. Man, Big Bang Theory by Lisandro · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have so called "geek" friends who keep insisting this is the best show ever.

    Please, check out The IT Crowd instead. Not only that show is hilarious in ways BBT simply cannot be, but it is also a much more accurate portrayal of the geek life.

  116. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sheldon actually had a line where he declared that Ubuntu was his favorite Linux.

    Which the audience found hi-larious! A+++! 5-star joke! Would rofl again!

  117. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't see that. Black face is intensely offensive. Big Bang Theory only insults people without a sense of humor who can't laugh at themselves

    Blackface is offensive because it insults black people be reinforcing stereotypes that are not really true outside of prejudiced perception. The big bang theory, in contrast, insults geeks by reinforcing stereotypes that are not really true outside of a prejudiced perception. It's therefore completely different and not offensive.

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  118. You are missing the point by aepervius · · Score: 1

    A joke stand on its own without the laugh track. Watch other funny shows with gags, you do not need laugh tracks (think comedy films for example where there is NO laugh racks).
     
      But BBT needs those laugh track and i will tell you why since you apparently did not watch one of the video. A listing of old 8 bits game without context is not funny. If I list "super mario , break out, pong" on a normal voice nothing is funny. But add a laugh track and people will start to smirk and laugh. Why ? Not because of a joke but because humour and laugh are contagious, far more than yawning. We as a social animal tend to react by laughing even when we do no get the joke.

    And that is essentially why they add laugh tracks because it is a mostly unhumoristic show having a few people which are assholes to each other with the occasional light moment , and trying to paint them as geek. The humor is utterly flat so they NEED the trick of the laugh tracks.

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    1. Re:You are missing the point by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      A joke stand on its own without the laugh track. Watch other funny shows with gags, you do not need laugh tracks (think comedy films for example where there is NO laugh racks).

      Those are different forms of entertainment. They're written differently, they're shot differently, they're edited differently, they aim for a different effect on the audience.

      But BBT needs those laugh track and i will tell you why since you apparently did not watch one of the video.

      I did watch the video. I didn't find it funny, and I covered the reasons in my other post. BBT needs the laugh track because that's the type of sitcom it is. It's the same as a Bond film needing explosions and guns.

      And that is essentially why they add laugh tracks because it is a mostly unhumoristic show

      It's laugh-track/audience comedy (not sure what the weighting is; I know some scenes are entirely tracked because the timing comes off badly, but not all) They are different to non-laugh track comedies. People laugh along with it but not solely because it has a laugh track and not solely because of the words the actors say and how they say them, but because of the combination of the two.

      If the creators of BBT wanted a non-laugh-track comedy it would be written, shot, and edited differently.

      But add a laugh track and people will start to smirk and laugh. Why ?

      Because they find it funny, not because they're morons. Just because they might not find it funny without the laughter, doesn't mean it is intrinsically unfunny, because the audience laughter (tracked or not, tracked always coming off worse, but still) is part of the overall experience, as is the fourth wall setup, the incidental-music segues, and all the rest of the common sitcom tropes that they employ.

      Take the laugh-track/audience laughter out of any laugh-track/audience sitcom and your left with the same bizarre Pinter-esque nightmare.

      Take the music or sound effects out of an action movie and you get the same effect. It's all part of the same piece of entertainment.

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  119. Re:What geeks hate the most is the lack of geekine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i must agree, it moved way to much into pop culture at loss a lot of the geekiness that was so refreshing

  120. The real question is why anyone likes it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    TV pitch - "okay so we have these people and they're flat / work mates, we haven't figured out all these details but we want a kooky one, a socially awkward one and the straight banana. We might even throw in a flamboyantly gay one or an outrageous foreigner who constantly misunderstands things. Oh and there'll be some people next door who interact with them. We'll make their loves lives a revolving door of throwaway characters. We might have annoying siblings / parents appear from time to time. Maybe a celebrity cameo or so. It'll all be really hilarious!!!".

    Virtually every US sitcom in the last 50 years, including the Big Bang Theory.

  121. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Also I find every character I've seen on the show to be whiney, pathetic, and completely unlikable but that's a side issue."

    So.. you telling me they represent the nerd/geek culture pretty well? Your whole comment is whiney and pathetic for gods sake! :-D

  122. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by danbert8 · · Score: 2

    This. So much this. In the first few seasons there where characters with personalities. After around season 3, they stopped writing characters and went for caricatures. Especially with the females on the show, two dimensional is generous. Bernadette used to be an interested and well developed character. Then they decided it would be funnier if she turned into Howard's mom and was the same angry harpy wife that is so common a trope. Amy was a fantastic character when she debuted, but then they turned her into the butt of every joke and made her a creepy adult with an 8 year old mind.

    I stopped watching. After several seasons where Sheldon never uttered "Bazinga" I figured out it was a lost cause.

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  123. Um yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought this was talking about reasons non science people didn't like the theory of the Big Bang. At first I assumed the responses were jokes by mentioning the show. I'm still far more interested in why people wouldn't like the science then the show. Maybe tomorrow you can ask why non-geeks don't like artificial flavoring?

  124. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've known some people who do act like the walking stereotypes on the show: they're g'damn annoying in real life so why would I want to give my time to watch them on TV as well?

  125. Great Show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pity, it's a great show for Americans. It takes basic grade-school/high-school science topics, dumbs them down to a level that even an American can understand, and makes it funny.

    Maybe other high-quality shows such as Storage Wars, Hill Billy Handfishing, etc can try to replace that smut.

  126. Some Geeks don't like it for non-geeky reasons. by spitzig · · Score: 1

    It's formulaic. That's why I don't like it. I watched an episode or two. I could pretty much predict what was "funny" thing going to happen next. What "funny" thing someone was going to say next.

    I don't hate it. I don't live in a country with English as its primary language, so I don't listen to people talking about it much. I caught an episode visiting the US, and don't think I laughed once. I think a family member put it on because "You're a geek[or whatever]. You'll like this." So, I might hate it if I lived in the US.

  127. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Civilization means that such people write letters to government bureaus, rather than chopping peoples' heads off.

    Why not both?

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  128. Educational by ITRambo · · Score: 1

    I learned the difference between a fermion and a boson watching Big Bang Theory: http://www.particleadventure.o... The humor isn't always great. But, the show is entertaining to me and my wife. The physics on the boards is correct also.

  129. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seconded. How likely is it that these four guys all have GFs or even wives at the same time, especially without getting totally screwed by them?

    The show has given up the original chemistry that made it special. Now it's about relationships, and frankly, other soaps do that better.

    I'll just grab a compilation of the first four seasons or so when I see it cheap somewhere. No need for the rest.

    And I'll tune out completely when Penny's latent alcoholism becomes part of the plot.

  130. Re:What geeks hate the most is the lack of geekine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the license allowed it, I'd fork the show when Lennard got Penny. Having more than one relationship in the show ruined it.

  131. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because Linux and OSX are perfect in every way and never need workarounds? WTF?

  132. Kaley was at her best in #thefappening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just sayin'.... :P

    1. Re:Kaley was at her best in #thefappening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. She topped that performance in Serial Ape-ist 2: Monkey See, Monkey Kill

  133. It's not really what non geeks hate... by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1
    It's what some uptight people reported to the FCC...

    I watch the show because my SO does, I think it's going downhill faster and faster. The laugh track (or whatever you want to call it) has always been annoying, many of the jokes I can say the punchline before the characters do (usually when they are going up or down the stairs), the characters are so one dimensional you know what is going to happen in any given situation.

    We're almost at the point they are all going to be married with rich attractive women, doesn't make for a good comedy about geeks if you ask me.

  134. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    "Of all the characters on the show, Sheldon Cooper is the truest to life."

    Not the truest to life, the truest to Slashdot.

  135. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    It basically is a veiled attempt to poke fun at geeks with nerd and social outcast personas.
    I couldn't get through the first two shows before becoming sickened everytime it came on.

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  136. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, you keep believing that ok buddy?

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  137. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by elistan · · Score: 1

    Indeed. Having gone to CMU, I see aspects of people I knew there in the BBT characters. I see aspects of *myself* in many of the BBT characters. And I really enjoy watching the show. YMMV of course.

  138. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think there are a lot of nerds/geeks here don't want to admit to themselves how similar or socially pathetic they are, (and no one on BBT has a neckbeard and weighs 300lbs, so it could be even **worse**) so they vent their anger at BBT and angrily claim it's totally unrealistic. If the show gets someone that "emotionally invested", it's struck a nerve for a reason.

  139. was that english? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that those 'people' were attempting to use to convey their dissatisfaction with 'the big bang theory'?

    if so, i've only seen non-native speakers able to mangle a language so catastrophically.

  140. If they really were geeks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They would have fixed the damn elevator themselves or re-purposed it.

  141. Jealous much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Face it: The laughing, real or enhanced, is no different from most every other sit-com. You just can't stand that these particular nerds are successful. They have jobs as professors/researchers. And they almost all inexplicably have attractive girlfriends/wives. Yes, even Amy.

    Realistic? Absolutely not. Painful to watch for some of us real-world nerds? Sometimes. Blatant soft-porn? Rather often. Funny? If you are able to laugh at yourself. Ruined by laughter? Only if you are so damned bitter that the thought of someone laughing at nerds gives you flashbacks.

    Seriously. I was bullied incessantly in school, like the characters on TBBT and many here. I suffer from severe depression and anxiety, partly as a result of said bullying. But even I am not so bitter that I can't look past the Hollywood BS, to relate to and laugh WITH there characters.

  142. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    The problem with BBT is the lazy writing and shoddy two dimensional characters. They lean on so many tropes it's like watching a drunk man trying to escort a paraplegic through an obstacle course.

    Which is pretty much how I define all forms of sitcom -- at their core, it's the same 50 year old jokes and gags, and just minor variations on the theme.

    The characters and situations change, but if you watch most sitcoms you can pretty much see the setup for the same old jokes happen all the time. Over and over and over. I stopped watching sitcoms years ago because of this ... I tried to watch BBT a few times, but other than the context, you still see a lot of the same stuff you would have seen in the 70s and 80s.

    I probably watched too many when I was a kid. Now I can't watch any of them. Sitcoms just automatically generate a very loud "next" in my brain.

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  143. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    You obviously have no idea about how comics are produced.

    Fan conventions ("cons") have nothing to do with how comics are produced. The producers of the product are vastly outnumbered by the fans. The fan cons are held not for the trade, but for the fans, so that is normal. Yes, there are trade-oriented conventions, but that's not the "con" in context here.

  144. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    They are too busy rewatching old Star Trek episodes and arguing over how good/bad Babylon 5 was.

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  145. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Heck, just look at the caricature they make of Penny's ex boyfriend. They call him cro-magnon, and he acts like he has a 30 IQ.

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  146. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    Why does every show think that it needs to "evolve" to be about romantic relationships?

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  147. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there are numerous jokes in the show about 'the nerds' not understanding pop-culture references.

    so there you go.

    also, the whole thread is basically a pissing contest about how too nerdy everyone is to watch the show about the nerds. if it wasn't playing out almost exactly like an episode of the show would play out, it'd be cute.

  148. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by coinreturn · · Score: 1

    ,,,are Geeks.

    They would like to be, but lack the essential 'hacker' mentality required to Be a Geek.

    Most of them are unimaginative morons, although highly educated.

    A highly educated moron is easy to achieve with modern education; they can calculate something without any understanding whatsoever.

    In other news, there are No True Scotsmen.

  149. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by coinreturn · · Score: 1

    They don't interact with "normies" anymore because the cast has grown to large for that.

  150. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blackface is offensive because it insults black people be reinforcing stereotypes that are not really true outside of prejudiced perception.

    Umm, black people have black faces, so I don't see how it is a stereotype at all. Hello!!

  151. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

    People who attend cons are self-selected groups, and trying to determine a "norm" from such a group would be a mistake. It is also a positive feedback loop, where edge-of-the-curve geeks flock because they create an environment where they're comfortable.

    This is different from higher academia how? Especially for Physics which, unlike say Engineering, is pretty much isolated from the professional world.

  152. Offensive by barbariccow · · Score: 1

    This show is offensive to me, in that they try to portrait the various personas which make up a sterotypical "geek." The whole crap with Penny just goes further to say that someone smart or interesting in science/technology cannot interact with members of the opposite sex. Hell, one of the characters cannot speak AT ALL when a woman is present, unless he is drunk. What the fuck! This whole show's premise is to make stupid people feel like they're smart because they laugh at "smart jokes." I've watched this show with a few people, and they laugh all the time when the laugh-track plays. I ask "Why did you think that was funny", always to the same answer: "I dunno." Get this crap off TV and put Star Trek back on!

  153. Yeah, It's Smut by Buddy+the+WIld+Geek · · Score: 1

    Yes, it is indecent. Not Safe For Work. Not suitable for people. No irony intended in my comments.

  154. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    By far the majority of creative people and thinkers are amateurs, just because they do not get paid (often just one lucky break and more often someone they know) does not be they are not in the 'trade'. This nonsense of separating people, of claiming somehow professionals a separate exceptional people and everyone else in an ordinary nothing, a fan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_fan or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...). Besides how often is 'fandom' just a PR fabrication and how often is it real, how few fans are out there, whether hand held (actual fans) or mechanical (nothing more than main stream media marketing).

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  155. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    as someone who lives and works around those types, it's partially accurate.

    The problem with BBT is the lazy writing and shoddy two dimensional characters. They lean on so many tropes it's like watching a drunk man trying to escort a paraplegic through an obstacle course.

    I welcome depictions of those kinds of nerds in media, however, I don't welcome shitty writing and hackneyed jokes.

    any TV show which becomes popular will asymptotically approach lazy writing and shoddy two dimensional characters. It's necessary to acquire the large quantity of viewers which keep a show on the air. it's the 80/20 rule; 80% of the viewing public have 20% of the brains.

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  156. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    Ah, the true Scotsman and all that. I do enjoy The Big Bang Theory and I dislike Mr. Robot. Also, I only liked Star Trek when I was a little kid. Ditto for Dr. Who.

    Oh, that's simple, your polarity is wrong,, that's all.

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  157. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    I've always considered the show to be "blackface" for nerds.

    The show has evolved over the years. While it used to be a compare and contrast of geeks versus normal people, it's now a show about relationships.

    Leonard and Penny's benchmark "normal, but nerdy" relationship compared to Howard and Bernadette's cuckolding relationship, compared to Amy's needs with Sheldon, and finally to Raj's struggle to find a keep a girlfriend.

    It used to be geeks v. world. Now it's geeks v. geeks. It's why Raj talks to women now, and why we rarely see them interact with "normies" except to setup a problem that each couple treats differently -- or that the boys treat differently than the vastly-more-normal girls.

    [For what it's worth, I never found it be nerd blackface. We both laughed at and with them...]

    cuckolding? what did I miss?

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  158. Correction (Re:Its laugh track is a crime against by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The word should probably be "consciousness."

  159. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

    Nah, I have just different interests.

  160. christian big bang theory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A shot to the head in other words.

  161. read ye, read ye. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trick yourself into laughing out loud everytime you learn something so you keep on learning forever, you find it becomes easier to learn, you enjoy learning, you eventually become a genius

  162. There are too many silly people around. by Askmum · · Score: 1

    Crackpots should be locked up. Then again, Chuck Lorre is a crackpot too (or something of similar persuasion, Charlie was right) so we wouldn't have such good humor on TV if they did.
    Ok, crackpots should not have access to paper en pencil. Dang, that doesn't cover it either. Man, this is difficult.

  163. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    Wow, you have no idea what blackface is, do you? It's not just putting on makeup to look like you have a black face, it's then doing 'comedy' that is all about stereotypes about black people.

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  164. I absolutely love The Big Bang Theory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like it quite well, and I have this to say to you whiners, change the channel and watch something else. There are show that I don;t like and I simply change the channel. Its not that hard. And for you "parents" who complain that it is not suitable for you kids, I have this bit of advice, BE a parent and "don't let them watch it", change the channel.

    The just because you whine does not make you right, now should you whining effect what I like as we have the same rights, Change the channel when you don't like something, just like it do click, problem solved.

  165. A few things come to mind... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    A few things come to mind: 1) Seems to me that 'geeks' have come into favor (relatively) recently (the past bunch of years). And that seems okay to me, since it seems that it is geeks that take society forward - at least technologically. And 'geeks', are people, too! Just like homosexuals. 2) Seems pretty evident to me that society seems to be missing the point on raising the next generations. If we (try to) 'hide' reality from our kids (or over-white-wash it), then we are allowing potential false impressions to foster which could be the fodder for young minds (trying to get a grasp on reality) getting the 'wrong' ideas, and manifesting those ideas in drastic ways (like Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc...). There seems to be a deep rift in what (parents and guiding authorities) allow kids to 'understand'. We need to be sure that real truths are main focuses EVERYWHERE in the media, especially TV. I cannot believe the lies perpetrated on even newscasts! Parents: TALK A LOT with your children! IF you are a parent, make PARENTING a priority. Everybody else: How about a little help?!

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  166. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by Grog6 · · Score: 1

    If you don't have a piece of broken... something... that you've been tinkering with on and off for years, which you could easily replace with a raspberry pi and some custom software/hardware, you probably aren't a geek either.

    Not all of us can read x86 assembly code in hex, but a lot of people can. Some of us can even read M68k asm in hex, but it's harder.

    Those people, at least, are geeks.

    The last time I heard of a "chicken eating geek" was in an Alice Cooper song... lol.

    Hacking is a lifestyle, it has some things to do with code, but it's mostly problem solving.

    Windows is a tool, just like most things; if you're using them right.

    But a geek would know that.

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  167. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    Windows is a tool. Correct. But it is like a screwdriver that blows up if you turn it wrong.

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  168. How is this noteworthy - at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those complaints are pretty much ridiculous. Who cares if you don't like the show and/or are offended by mildly offensive humor? Get over it. Just quit watching if you don't like it. Simple as that.

  169. Re:None of the people I know that Like this Show.. by samwichse · · Score: 1

    Maybe he mistook cuckolding for henpecking?

  170. Big Bang theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no laugh track used in this show. It is done before a live audience...if you don't find it funny...that is fine. If you do, your ability to laugh at your own geekdom is a healthy sign.

  171. Nice summary of what is wrong in the US by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Oh no! My son could see a fully covered nipple!! Are there really that many people who are so stuffed up? Their moral beliefs are one thing to shake one's head over, but they do not even get comedy. At least now I do not feel bad sending a complaint to the FCC each year for showing excessive violence and public sex when the Super Bowl airs.Ramming each other down head first and cheerleaders in skimpy dresses is OK, but TBBT is profane? Man, are really that many people in the US that ridiculously stupid?