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Cable Providers Still Have No Answer For Netflix As Cord-cutting Accelerates (bgr.com)

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from BGR about the rapidly shifting roles of cable companies and streaming media providers: While cable providers over the past few decades have grown fat off of exorbitant cable packages that overcharge and under-deliver, the rise of streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Video are finally righting the ship and shifting the balance of power towards the consumer. Clearly, the cable industry is in the midst of a transition. Netflix in particular, with its ever-growing stable of original content, has proven to be a particularly painful thorn in the side of cable providers who are increasingly struggling to keep subscribers from cutting the cord. Now comes word via The Wall Street Journal that cord cutting isn't just on the rise, but is accelerating rapidly. Citing data recently compiled by eMarketer, the Journal relays that the number of households with cable 'will fall at an accelerating rate for at least the next four years, reaching a 1.4% decline in 2019, eMarketer estimates.'

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  1. Try offering service to your entire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    monopoly area. Here in Seattle, Comcast has a government-granted monopoly over most of the city, but they don't offer service to much of it. I haven't lived anywhere here in Seattle where I could get cable since 1997. Other countries have cable TV and Internet in cities. Why can't US cities have it too?

    1. Re: Try offering service to your entire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would they when no one else can compete against them?

    2. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Why can't US cities have it too?

      Not enough demand.

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    3. Re: Try offering service to your entire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      We lost ours when a Republican family moved into the basement. While those people have no right to live in Seattle, it's worse that normal people are also suffering

    4. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      I live about 25 miles outside of Birmingham, AL and have great internet service through Charter. Averaging 66 Mbps down /5 Mbps up for about $55/month. Oh, and the television part of the cable service is great, too.

      So how can a semi-rural area in what most would call a backward state have great internet service while a so-called enlightened city like Seattle doesn't? When you figure it out, your eyes will open wide and you'll find yourself awake for the first time in your life. We knew all along!

    5. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by Mike+Frett · · Score: 1

      Since the same people that run Cable also run your Internet, I'm sure they don't care if you cut the cord. They'll simply cut bandwidth...

    6. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      It's not just a matter of being in the right metro area. In the bay area for example, the choice is Comcast, or a *really* terrible AT&T service.

      Thankfully, I hear AT&T are planning on launching gigabit service soon, but still - being in a city, or metro area does not guarantee competition.

    7. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      1 Mbps isn't broadband. The minimum is 3Mbps up.

    8. Re: Try offering service to your entire... by boguslinks · · Score: 1

      Good grief, what crannies of Seattle do you commenters live in? I was in West Seattle and now SLU. Our building gets Gig eithernet next month. Are you in the northwest part, the part that doesn't even have sidewalks?

    9. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you want to live in civilization, then you've got to take the good and the bad.

      I think I'll stick with a modern city with choices, things to do and everything at my fingertips instead of your backwater, redneck, mud hut village.

    10. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by plopez · · Score: 1

      LA and civilization does not compute.....

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    11. Re: Try offering service to your entire... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The "conservative hell hole" still sounds better than the liberal utopia that started this sub-thread.

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    12. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

      Aww man, you made coffee out of my nose from all the laughing. But seriously, L.A. invented passive aggressive.

    13. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      If by "low population" you mean "San Jose alone is the 10th largest city in the entire country, and if you count the entire urban conurbation that is the Bay Area, it's twice the size of LA, and second only to NewYork", sure. And no, before you ask, it's not less dense than LA either - twice the population in 1.5 times the area.

    14. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by MoaDweeb · · Score: 1

      As you were passing through this 'plastic crap hole', what does that make you?

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    15. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      In that case AT&Ts u-verse is not broadband in my last area. Max I had was 2Mbps up, and any new connections were capped at 1Mbps.

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    16. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Neither is 4 Mbps down. The minimum downstream speed for broadband, according to FCC standards, is 25 Mbps down.

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    17. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by Technician · · Score: 1

      There is a void. Serious competition is already looking at moving in.

      If Google fibre or other service moves in with good high speed service, the local incumbent will be in for a ride.

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    18. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by mcswell · · Score: 1

      Mos Eisley?

    19. Re: Try offering service to your entire... by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      Strange when Seattle is a high-tech hub. I dream about moving there myself if the right job ever came along. I used to have Speakeasy for my ISP when I lived there in the late 90's they were awesome.

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    20. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The city granted a monopoly contract without requiring service to the entire city??

    21. Re: Try offering service to your entire... by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Verizon FiOS or AT&T U-Verse. There is no such thing as AT&T FIOS. Frontier FiOS exists, in areas where Verizon divested the service to them.

    22. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by TheRealLifeboy · · Score: 1

      You mentioned the problem quite neatly: "government-granted". The problem in the modern US is that the government has forgotten (conveniently) what it's mandate is and has taken on a life of it's own, serving only that one that can pay the most towards their election campaigns and other schemes. That's not capitalism were seeing any more, it's fascism.

      The only role of government in communications is to facilitate the record keeping of where conduits and cables are underground and manage frequency (above ground). The granting of monopolies is never ever justified, albeit that in same cases defacto monopolies exists. If that is because of lack of competitors, then good for the one that has the monopoly. But if it is due to government regulation and meddling, then it must be destroyed!

    23. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by TheRealLifeboy · · Score: 1

      The problem in the modern US is that the government has forgotten (conveniently) what it's mandate is

      bah!

      "what its mandate is..."

    24. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Lack of competition, lack of governments to shoulder the expense of investment, lack of laws that make Internet access a basic right (as in Finland), lack of oversight, lack of regulation....if we leave the market to its own forces they will come into play. Look at Germany, there the federal postal and phone service put in copper to every single lot in all places. It was a massive expense but put cable TV and associated services into reach of everyone. Many municipalities in the US want to do that on a much smaller scale, but moronic laws and contracts with for profit monopolies prevent municipalities from doing that. Other countries did not hold themselves hostage to big telcos and thus enjoy much more competition with better service at a drastically lower price. They also set out rules for access fees so that anyone who wants to offer services cannot be priced out of the networks. And that is strictly controlled by government entities. The other huge difference is that the US has only subscription services for TV service. OK, there is over the air digital TV, but that is rather meager and where I live I need to point to three different transmitters to get all channels. Aside from that you pay or you pay. Contrary to that is Europe where satellite TV reception is commonplace. You buy the equipment (and typically better stuff than the junk offered from Dish or DirecTV!!) and then have access to hundreds or even thousands of TV channels via the Astra / Eutelsat systems. The operation of the systems is covered by access fees paid by the broadcasters rather than the consumers. I'm satisfied with Verizon FiOS although the TV package that I would like to have is ridiculously expensive. It used to be much cheaper but now it rivals a monthly car or mortgage payment for just a handful of channels more. The answer to stemming the shift to cord cutting is drop subscription fees.

    25. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Why even have cable in LA? You need an unlimited cell data plan because most of your time is spent in traffic jams. LA needs a decent public transit system.

    26. Re: Try offering service to your entire... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      It is simply proper English. Aside from that, are you a native American? If not, you are a "fucking foreigner" yourself.

    27. Re:Try offering service to your entire... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Indeed. As far as I can tell, unless your next door to the telco CO, no DSL can get up the current standard. AT&T's stalling on fiber is catching up to them; I'm waiting for a class-action lawsuit for false advertising "broadband" since it's not.

  2. shocker... by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean consumers aren't willing to keep paying more for an increasingly ad-laden pool of mostly forgettable reality programming? Wake me up when it's over.

    The only reason I have any relationship at all with the cable company is that they're the only supplier of broadband Internet in my area. If that wasn't the case, I'd drop them tomorrow. Until then, I'll "subscribe" to their lowest tier programming because it would otherwise cost MORE to buy internet service from them.

    1. Re:shocker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you are low-income, perhaps some providers have some low cost Internet you can get.

      Just look at how expensive cablecards are getting now. To the point that it might not be worth getting a TiVo without a lifetime subscription. Otherwise, it could cost more to own one's own equipment than it is to rent from the cable provider.

      Streampix with Comcast is $4.99/month. Imagine if Comcast were to offer a $12/month plan or something like that, giving you Streampix and Netflix (per STB) both. But instead of that, I imagine cable providers are just going to increase Internet costs, implement data caps, etc. to fight this change, which will just drive more people away.

      Captcha: corrupt

    2. Re:shocker... by Princeofcups · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean consumers aren't willing to keep paying more for an increasingly ad-laden pool of mostly forgettable reality programming?

      Actually, they are willing. They love that stuff. Don't fall into the "people on slashdot represent the average US citizen" fallacy. Most Americans are content with the nanny state. Even the so called troublemakers are so passive, they hardly exist. Anonymous? Give me a break. Back in the 60's and 70's people BLED for what they believed in, and were willing to go against the government, and the status quo populous. Until you are willing to throw flaming gasoline bottles at police cars while be teargassed, then ain't nothing going to change.

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    3. Re:shocker... by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      Back in the 60's and 70's people BLED for what they believed in, and were willing to go against the government, and the status quo populous.

      Bullshit! In the 60's and 70's nobody would have bled for this. What people bled for in the 60's and the 70's, was civil rights. Not every cause is important enough to bleed for.

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    4. Re:shocker... by fnj · · Score: 1

      and were willing to go against the government, and the status quo populous

      Populace, not populous. Words with completely different meanings.

    5. Re:shocker... by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      That's probably true of a number of people on Slashdot, but I think not that common among the general public. Sports especially are one thing keeping people on cable; a huge percentage of Americans watch live sports, and webs of TV contracts make it hard to get them otherwise, at least if you aren't internet-savvy enough to find pirated streams.

      That will probably eventually change. The major sports leagues periodically re-run the numbers on whether it'd be more profitable to just sell direct streaming subscriptions to the public, rather than sign exclusive deals with TV networks. But so far the answer is that it isn't. So instead they're laying the groundwork for it, starting their own networks that could be delivered via other modalities in the future if it becomes profitable, and experimenting with selling streaming subscriptions to whatever content isn't locked up in the exclusivity deals.

    6. Re:shocker... by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I'm not bleeding for Populous. The game was good, but c'mon.

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    7. Re:shocker... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, they are willing. They love that stuff.

      Come on, man. I know reading the article is hard work around here, but the entire point of this story is that people are increasingly getting annoyed enough to cut the cord and so cable companies are losing customers at an alarming rate (at least from the cable company's point of view). Even if they're only losing a net 1% of customers per year, say, that's still a huge amount of lost profit both in direct revenues from subscribers and in the long run through diminishing ad revenues as well.

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    8. Re:shocker... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      That will probably eventually change. The major sports leagues periodically re-run the numbers on whether it'd be more profitable to just sell direct streaming subscriptions to the public, rather than sign exclusive deals with TV networks.

      I think it's already changing. We may have reached the upper limit of the sports TV contract insanity. I'm thinking about how the Cubs had to scramble back to WGN last year because they couldn't get the amounts they were demanding to broadcast their games, and they are one of the premiere franchises in all of sports, in terms of widespread interest. They very nearly started the season with no TV contract at all.

      Something has to change, because it's become unbelievably complicated to follow a sports team from a place besides your local area. Having to buy an >$100 package just to catch a single Bulls or Bears game on radio here on the East Coast is just crazy.

      The key to this whole thing is finally killing off the forced "bundling" that the cable industry requires. Everything should be offered ala carte.

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    9. Re:shocker... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      You mean consumers aren't willing to keep paying more for an increasingly ad-laden pool of mostly forgettable reality programming? Wake me up when it's over.

      The only reason I have any relationship at all with the cable company is that they're the only supplier of broadband Internet in my area. If that wasn't the case, I'd drop them tomorrow. Until then, I'll "subscribe" to their lowest tier programming because it would otherwise cost MORE to buy internet service from them.

      You summed it up perfectly.

      I have internet (FIOS) but no TV. The crap-laden packages full of worthless channels that I have ZERO interest in watching simply cost more than I can justify.

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    10. Re:shocker... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Back in the 60's and 70's people BLED for what they believed in, and were willing to go against the government, and the status quo populous.

      Oh FFS, get a grip. No one is willing to BLEED for fucking cable television.

      Bleed for civil rights is totally understandable, and commendable. Bleeding for ESPN or the Disney channel is just fucking idiotic.

      You might want to step back and take a long, hard look at your priorities.

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    11. Re:shocker... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      The channels with the reality programming are inexpensive compared to the more than $6 per month that each basic subscriber pays for ESPN whether they watch it or not.

    12. Re:shocker... by KGIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anything can be termed a civil right today. No, no I'm not entirely sure when the change occurred. I was probably high and missed it. At any rate, if you don't have it and you want it then it is your right - and it should be subsidized by others who have money because, fuck them, they've got money and it belongs to the person who has invented a new civil right.

      Also, property... You don't have a right to that. You don't have a right to the output of your labor. That doesn't belong to you. Just because you came up with an idea doesn't mean you get to own it. It now belongs to everyone. Information wants to be free unless, you know, it's your information and then it is an outrage.

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    13. Re:shocker... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...Sports especially are one thing keeping people on cable; a huge percentage of Americans watch live sports,...

      30% of the people who receive ESPN watch ESPN.

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      Less than 10% of the people who receive YES channel watched 25% or more of the ballgames broadcast on it, and this was during the lead up to the playoffs.

      ESPN is having significant layoffs because of the people cutting the cord and not continuing to pay ESPN, running counter to what you assert. Some say they are cutting the cord because of the ESPN fees.

      I agree that sports are very popular, but sports channels should not be paid for by the people who do not watch them. The high sports salaries are being paid for by high sports channel monthly fees that everyone has to pay because ESPN is part of basic cable.

    14. Re: shocker... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Huh? nba.com has free radio streaming of bothe teams for each game...

      Only if you're an "NBA All-Access" subscriber, which is big dough for the privilege of listening to commercials.

      If I can hear a radio broadcast locally on terrestrial radio and it's paid for through commercials, why shouldn't I be able to stream that same broadcast for free? I'm still hearing all the commercials.

      I can stream Blackhawks games through WGN on TuneIn radio, because Rocky Wirtz, the owner actually lives in the 21st century. But not the Bears or Bulls. The online streams of Bears and Bulls games cut out at the moment the games start.

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    15. Re: shocker... by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      It's the NBA, NFL, MLB rules that cut online broadcasts of radio.

    16. Re:shocker... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The high sports salaries are being paid for by high sports channel monthly fees that everyone has to pay because ESPN is part of basic cable.

      You and I define "basic" differently. Basic cable is the $10 or $20 per month package that gets you the local channels and a few shopping channels that pay the cable company to include them in "basic". Then "standard" is 50 or so channels. It used to have Discovery and SciFi, but those got popular, so "standard no longer has the popular things. Even AMC has outgrown "standard" in some places. USA, TNT, and the news channels are "standard". Separate again are "family" and then "sports". You have to pay well above "basic" to get ESPN, or pay for that premium.

      Though I've seen a number of places where "basic" isn't advertised, and you have to know it exists and order it directly and explicitly to get it, as they are signing up people for "standard" who ask for "basic". So maybe that's where your confusion comes from. I've never had ESPN, but I've had cable, when it was the only option for decent Internet.

    17. Re:shocker... by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      Your response is a different point than the poster you responded to, and I think both points are valid:
      1 - Posters point: Cable offers the various channels and packages that have exclusive contracts with various sports leagues/teams etc. Not just ESPN but other channels also. I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be to get these channels today via other services like Netflix but traditionally it's been an issue.

      2 - Your point: People should be able to choose the content they want to pay for instead of purchasing packages with X% content they have no desire to consume. Totally agree, it's like the old CD thing, 1 or 2 good songs and 12 others you have no desire to hear.

    18. Re:shocker... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      The cable companies aren't run by idiots. They know they have a monopoly and that NetFlix is disruptive; the problem is that their business model is found on an archaic principle:

      Cable: Push - until DVR came along, programs get scheduled to you -- take it or leave it
      Netflix: Pull - watch what you want, when you want.

      The long term problem is that none of the cable companies know how to be economical profitable as they transition from a hardware to a service orientated business -- just look at their own lack of fiber deployment plans. The other monkey wrench is that no one really has a clue what the next generation of TV watching entails -- aside from some sort of Video-On-Demand IP Streaming. This is a huge issue WRT to how advertising and licensing works which ironically everyone knows the Neilson ratings are complete bullshit -- but they [Neilson ratings] are so ingrained that no one wants to switch to a different model.

    19. Re: shocker... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      It's the NBA, NFL, MLB rules that cut online broadcasts of radio.

      I get that. But if it wasn't what the team owners wanted, it wouldn't be a rule. It seems like they're cutting their own throats with younger fans. Yeah, they make the big TV money now, but stuff could change quickly. The NFL seems especially vulnerable, with so many fewer kids playing organized football because of head trauma.

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    20. Re:shocker... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      this is a huge issue WRT to how advertising and licensing works which ironically everyone knows the Neilson ratings are complete bullshit -- but they [Neilson ratings] are so ingrained that no one wants to switch to a different model.

      They seem to be making the mistake of trying to cling to the advertising model. The problem is that it's now not only technically possible to track individual views and either bill based on that or distribute subscription money based on that, but semiconductor miniaturization has made it almost trivially inexpensive to do so. There's no need to have single-payer television any more, and it will eventually fall aside to a more market-based environment.

      How long it takes that to happen will depend on how hard the entrenched players fight against the tide.

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    21. Re:shocker... by mcswell · · Score: 1

      I stopped worrying about TV when they cut the various Stargate series.

    22. Re:shocker... by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The problem with the low cost subsidized internet service is that it's also low performance. You can only get the subsidy for the lowest tier of service, or in some cases a sub-minimum tier. For example, Comcast offers a 10Mbps (upgraded from the original 1.5Mbps) subsidized service for $10/month, but the slowest non-subsidized service they offer in my area is 25Mbps. It can be combined with Comcast cable TV service, but in some cases bundling TV with one of their regular internet plans will be a better deal.

    23. Re:shocker... by samwichse · · Score: 1

      The real solution? Reduce your ad load now, take the hit, and reap the goodwill of your viewers.

      The MBA pretty much assures they'll take the "ever declining, add more ads to compensate" vicious cycle and eventual death spiral.

  3. Reaching a 1.4% Decline in 2019? by mlookaba · · Score: 2

    Obviously the business model needs to be changed eventually, but this number doesn't seem like anything to be terribly concerned about in the short term. Especially since those who aren't willing/able to change will probably endure more price hikes. See: AT&T.

    1. Re:Reaching a 1.4% Decline in 2019? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      this number doesn't seem like anything to be terribly concerned about in the short term.

      Exactly my thought, too. Get back to us when it's a consistent 3% decrease.

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    2. Re:Reaching a 1.4% Decline in 2019? by GrandCow · · Score: 2

      Think big picture here. Especially with the population always rising, it should be a given that the number of subscribers increases or at least stays the same.

      If more people are growing into "pay for cable" age and the total number of subscribers goes down, that's cause to start panicking. A 1% loss turns into millions of dollars a year in lost revenue, and that's a large enough number that shareholders start thinking thoughts that are bad for board members.

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    3. Re:Reaching a 1.4% Decline in 2019? by Kohath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's only 3 years, and the pace is accelerating. They'd be really worried if they weren't also the guys who sell you broadband internet.

      The people who should be worried are the cable-only content providers. When all TV content is available for streaming, will anyone watch the Travel Channel, or the Food Network, or the Golf Channel, or Court TV, or TNT, or any other similar networks? Why aren't we already talking about these shutting down in 5 years?

    4. Re:Reaching a 1.4% Decline in 2019? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I can't speak for TNT, but there are people who really really love the food network.

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    5. Re:Reaching a 1.4% Decline in 2019? by suutar · · Score: 1

      The food network is literally the reason I have not cut the cord yet.

    6. Re:Reaching a 1.4% Decline in 2019? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It's super-addictive.

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  4. They haven't accepted that they're in 2 businesses by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The cable companies won't find a solution until they accept that they're in 2 businesses:

    1. The network provider business, where they supply the basic pipes that connect their customers to the world at large. This business doesn't deal with content except as streams of bits, and it lives or dies by it's ability to handle data to and from anyone anywhere. Users won't buy connectivity from a network provider that can't connect them reliably to whoever they want to connect to.
    2. The content provider business, where they supply content that users view. This business can't care who it's customers buy connectivity from, it has to be able to deliver content to anyone, anywhere. Again, users won't buy from a content provider who can't deliver the content they've bought unless they have no other options (and yes, pirated content is always an option).

    If the cable company limits it's content-provider customers to only it's network-provider customer base, it won't be able to take advantage of the scale of customer base of content providers like Netflix and Amazon. It won't have the customer base size to use as leverage to get licensing terms, and a smaller base means fewer customers to spread costs across and a higher per-capita cost. If they use their position as a network provider to try to force customers to their content, they're going to face even more of the backlash they're already seeing in support for network neutrality and for municipal broadband and other alternatives to their network access monopolies/duopolies. If they lose that monopoly position, they're done for.

    If they had the smarts, they could leverage their positions and their infrastructure into being real powerhouses. But they're too afraid of spending money and too locked into an MBA's focus on next quarter's results to do it, so eventually they're going to be wiped out by a combination of dedicated content providers like Netflix and Amazon and Google plus dedicated network providers operated as either public utilities or as an adjunct to a content provider who considers that aspect of their operation just a necessity for their content distribution and is happy as long as the network part pays for it's own operating costs.

  5. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

    The rest of the world, where internet providers and tv networks have been separate entities forever, says hi.

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  6. Cable providers have some nice advantages... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    DOCSIS is a nice spec, and can run rings around two wire twisted pair protocols, with the only thing faster being last mile fiber.

    With this in mind, cable companies can always look at going to on-demand providers. Since they are ISPs, adding CDN functionality is extremely easy. They can also add even more offerings, such as OpenStack, cloud storage, and many other niceties. But... they don't. If they add something it is ad servers.

    The core issue is that younger people don't give a rat's ass about TV. The fact you have to meet an "appointment" for scheduled programming (barring a DVR, of course) was drilled into the heads of older people, but with YouTube, NetFlix, Hulu, and many other content providers offering what you want to see, when you want to see it, any video provider, be it AT&T with U-Verse or Comcast with cable TV is on the ropes.

    Couple this with mainstream TV programming being absolute shit, and it is no wonder why people "cut the cord".

    Of course, realistically, the ISPs don't have to give a rat's ass. They just can add caps or charge by the gig, and there isn't anyone going to stop them. Well, only Google.

    1. Re:Cable providers have some nice advantages... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      ISPs that are also cable TV providers, yes. Some of us are lucky to live in areas where there are telcos providing internet access that had to tack on some TV programming to compete with the cable TV ISPs when it was all the craze that you could get TV and internet from one provider for one "low" price.

      They never liked having to provide this service since it was usually something they had to buy from the cable providers in some roundabout way that cut into their profits. They are now GLADLY providing people with uncapped, unmetered internet access just to kick the cable TV competitors in their nuts.

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  7. USA the land of the free.... by thephydes · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    to fuck people over because you have enough money to purchase a monopoly from corrupt government officials.

    1. Re:USA the land of the free.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Congratulations, you've said something stupid that is not relevant to the topic at all.

    2. Re:USA the land of the free.... by thephydes · · Score: 1

      Sorry, a bit too subtle for you was it? You must be a regular here. Go and read about disruptive technologies and how they are upsetting the old business models

    3. Re:USA the land of the free.... by will_die · · Score: 1

      Compared to what I get living in a rural area of Europe bring that monopoly on over.

  8. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by willy_me · · Score: 1

    You forgot wireless. If anything will kill the cable companies it is the wireless providers. It is already feasible in some locations to use wireless for internet. As technology improves - and as more mini- or micro-towers are put up to facilitate demand - there will be far more people tempted to adopt a wireless-only connection. With the adoption of newer, lighter portable electronics there is even an advantage to using a wireless ISP - the cable companies will not be able to compete. Of course, this only appliers to cable companies that do not also have wireless divisions.

  9. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by Required+Snark · · Score: 1

    There are other short turn strategy available to cable companies: raise rates on bandwidth and degrade connections for streaming competitors. Note that they can use the same sort of illegal manipulations to achieve both ends. The goal is to force everyone to top tier (overpriced) service contracts. Since the internet is still does not have common carrier status it is much more difficult to prove wrong doing. I expect that this is nothing new, and it's been common practice for a long time already. It's not like the consequences are negative enough to keep them honest.

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  10. I beg to disagree by ruir · · Score: 3, Informative

    They do not have an alternative, however they do have "answers"...enacting ridiculous data caps and not making advantageous to buy data-only packages. Here, I am paying 50 Euros for 100Mbps cable+TV, if I want it just Internet they sell me a 30Mbps package for 45 Euros. They also have a base package of 15 Euros only for business, which is shit, cannot remember from the top of my head, something like 2Mbps.

    1. Re:I beg to disagree by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      40Mb DSL? That's far beyond the technical capabilities of DSL...it tops out at 24Mb.

  11. Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go pricing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cox rep here.

    Our old solution: Flexwatch. It's a bundle that gets you starter cable, a free receiver, and HBO / Starz / Encore / Cinnemax for $26 a month for 1 year. That's basically $0.50 per premium channel for 1 year, and you get the on demand digital versions like HBO Go.

    The new solution we're moving to: Data caps that are low enough to nail cord cutters that will cost you about $30-40 a month in overage fees. They've gone live in Cleveland Ohio with plans on rolling them out in a few more areas to test, then nationally if enough people put up with it. Better: When you complain about the overage fees, we pitch you Flexwatch under the excuse that you'll use less Netflix that way.

    How is that not an Antitrust violation, given we're the only game in some of these towns? I actually think it is, but we'll see what the courts decide if we're ever sued.

    I don't recall the exact numbers, but IIRC it's $10 per 50 gigs over the cap. Which is why we vastly increased our speeds recently -- because Netflix, Hulu, etc will use more bandwidth if it's available, which will cause you to hit the cap faster, which with this new plan with make us more money.

    Oh, and if you ever have to call Tech Support, good luck -- we're now "Technical Sales" reps. Our entire job is to get you to buy Cable, Phone, or Home Security while fixing your technical problem -- the training of which amounted to "reboot your modem."

  12. Re:Except by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

    And when the ISP gets too expensive then it's an opportunity for competition that can come in fresh. And so the cycle repeats itself.

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  13. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately the amount of bandwidth available for wireless is limited. It may work fine to some extent, but when too many subscribers shares the same space you will get problems.

    Of course - allocation of new frequency bands might work, but that will also come at a cost since the new bands will be above 10GHz which would require new equipment.

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  14. What power shift? by MacTO · · Score: 1

    In many respects, this is not much of a shift of power to consumers.

    Consumers have a limited choice in Internet service providers. The amount of choice is marginally better than the amount of choice in cable television providers.

    Once the consumer is online, the primary sources of streamed video are the broadcasters and a handful of other providers. They may be provide more traditional content, like Netflix, or content from alternative sources, like YouTube. Again, a marginal improvement.

    The problem with these marginal improvements is that they can disappear rather quickly, and they will be difficult to rebuild because of the high barriers of entry into these industries.

  15. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Informative

    True, but cable TV companies can't treat subscribers only like that because effectively nobody subscribes to cable TV to watch ads. The cable companies have to treat us like customers buying content, and slip the advertising in without putting in so much that people stop subscribing.

    Problem for the cable companies here being that how much advertising is too much depends on what alternatives are out there. Nobody's going to sit through 5 minutes of ads per 15 minutes for a show when they can go to Netflix and watch without ads, or when they can record the show on DVR and skip the ads. The era of ad-supported content is rapidly fading because the conditions that let it flourish are changing.

  16. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by rcase5 · · Score: 2

    This is, in part, why I refuse to subscribe to Cable Internet service. They are trying too hard to prevent one arm of their business from stepping on another arm of their business. This NEVER works! When you enter a market segment, you have to commit to it, and Comcast and the like don't want to do that.

    Sort of related to the above, but the other overriding reason why I refuse to subscribe to Cable Internet is their policies are so arbitrary. I run a business from my home, and I require high-speed Internet in order to do my work. If I was constantly tripping over Comcast's rules and requirements in the conducting of my business (bandwidth rules, port usage, etc.), I would never get anything done. I am fortunate to have a really good ISP that is neither a cable company nor an RBOC. But not everyone has that kind of flexibility, so they have to deal with Cable companies playing silly games with their Internet access.

  17. The answer is simple... by rcase5 · · Score: 2

    They need to stop charging so damn much! I recently went shopping for Cable service to see what things cost nowadays. The prices are exorbitant and strange!

    For example, if I get a "Limited Basic" package, which basically includes just my local TV channels and a smattering of basic cable channels (most of which are home shopping channels), it's like $16/mo. I get one receiver for free, and I can hook up the other two TVs in my house for $2.65/mo each. So after all is said and done, I can get basic cable service for my entire home for about $22/mo. The catch is that I cannot get HD for my HDTV in my living room.

    In order to get HDTV at all, I have to go up to their "Digital Starter" package for $50/mo. But only one of the digital SDTV converter boxes (the same one as in the "Limited Basic" package) is included with that package. If I want to get HDTV at all, I have to upgrade that "included" box to an "HDTV" box for $10/mo. But what's really weird is that the boxes for the other two TVs, which are SDTVs, are now suddenly $9.95/mo, instead of the $2.65/mo for the other package. So by the time I'm done outfitting my entire home, the equipment charges are 60% of the cost of the package. That's absurd!

    So the bottom line is services like Netflix, Hulu and Amazon are simply making it easier for people to get away from the obvious price gouging that's occurring with Cable and (to a lesser extent) Satellite services. If you're fortunate enough to live in an area where HDTV broadcast signals are good in your area, all you have to do is put up an HDTV antenna and hook it up to your TV. And if not, Hulu (in particular) carries many of the more popular network TV shows anyway. Voila! You are now free of the outrageous pricing of Cable and Satellite companies.

  18. Re: Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Netflix now allows you to set your bandwidth usage in your account settings. I was measuring it for implementing a bandwidth limiter and the 'medium' quality is just about 1.7 Mbps with spikes up to 1.9. Good enough for most content. The 'auto' setting tries for about 3.5Mbps and does not back down gracefully at all (a 1.5 Mbps limiter resulted in incessant buffering even though they have a 700Kbps stream available).

  19. Sure they have an answer by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Data caps. If they lose revenue from cable cutting they will make it up by charging more for internet access. As long a they control the last mile to the user they will be simply change their revenue model. Those that own content as well will price the content to makeup for the shift in how it is delivered. The real losers will be the sparsely watch ed channels that, because eo fetch current revenue distribution model, make mor money than they would if the were priced separately.

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  20. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by Kjella · · Score: 1

    The cable companies won't find a solution until they accept that they're in 2 businesses: The network provider business, where they supply the basic pipes that connect their customers to the world at large. (...) The content provider business, where they supply content that users view.

    They're in the business of "What value are we delivering and how can we convert that to profit?". I do have an economics degree, not an MBA though but I'd rephrase as follows:

    1) How can we leverage connecting consumers to services?
    2) How can we leverage connecting services to consumers?
    3) How can we leverage our unique content?

    Without network neutrality there's a ton of dirty tricks you can play using routing, QoS and quotas to sell "preferential access" which is a lot more profitable than being a basic utility. As a general rule, if you get to gouge on a case-by-case basis it is always more profitable than a general price. Whether all packets cost you the same is of course totally irrelevant.

    As for unique content, you can of course sell it stand-alone but often the profit-maximizing way is to leverage it to sell far a more generic functionality or service through bundling. HBO clearly used to use their exclusive content to sell HBO the cable channel, of course Netflix do the same with their exclusive content and their service. Again your model is a bit too simple, they don't make content to sell the content but to drive the overall business.

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  21. Comcast should sell off their networking business by swb · · Score: 1

    Comcast should sell off their Internet service business to municipalities to operate as municipal networks and focus on being a network neutral content provider business.

    Ultimately their dual-use cable network will be an albatross around their network, unable to provide competitive bandwidth and television channels on the same wire without significant and costly upgrades. They're already starting to feel some competitive pressure from other providers willing to string fiber (here in Minneapolis a local ISP has a good chunk of SW Minneapolis strung with fiber and Century Link has strung fiber, too).

    On top of it, their content business as offered is shrinking, too, because they're stuck in carriage agreements that require bundling so many channels that the product cost is too high, especially relative to Netflix, Amazon, HBONOW, etc.

    Unloading their cable plant networks now allows them to be sold while they're still considered highly valuable -- wait too long, and it's like selling Baby Bell analog copper networks.

    They could also spin off their network management to be contract operators of the municipal networks they've just sold.

  22. No answer? Huh? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 2

    Since a good portion of folks still rely on cable providers for their broadband Internet in order to use Netflix (and similar services) they don't need to do anything other than slowly raise their prices for broadband.

    Netflix doesn't scare them (and if they claim it does, they are lying)

    Projects like Google Fiber scare them. The FCC enforcing neutrality scares them. SCOTUS declaring anti-competitive bans on municipal/community fiber scare them.

  23. Re:Comcast should sell off their networking busine by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Comcast should sell off their Internet service business to municipalities to operate as municipal networks and focus on being a network neutral content provider business.

    You say that, but it would be a disastrous decision. They cannot continue to exist without sleazy tactics that basically force people to buy their products. It's much like how magazines send out shitloads of copies to people who don't even want them to inflate their numbers because advertising is sold on the basis of number of subscribers. We've been getting Rolling Stone for years without having paid for it once, I think because my lady went to the Grammys once (which she described as a low-rent prom in quality and execution, which is why they only show a small handful of camera angles of it on TV. Everything else looks like shit. end digression) and so they decided she was a worthy target for advertising. But although they've threatened to cancel the subscription several times, they too are circling the bowl. Sources differ on when they jumped the shark but if you've seen their last six covers you know that they are well and truly on the post-shark side.

    Well, so are the cable television networks, and they know it. And they're not going to let go without a fight.

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  24. Re: Except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The problem with this is the monopolies, no one is legally allowed to compete.

  25. Here's your answer by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cable companies, here's your answer:

    1) Charge $1 per channel per month. That's what I'm willing to pay, period.
    2) Let us pick what channel(s) we want. Don't force any "bundling" or packages of shit-channels I'll never watch.
    3) No minimum number of channels. If I want 3 channels, let me have 3. If I want 50, let me have 50.

    Really...is this so hard to grasp? If you can't make money with this model, say "goodbye" and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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    1. Re:Here's your answer by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      This.
      They already know this is what people want. Trouble is, they will NEVER do it. not for anything that makes economic sense to the consumer anyway.
      Their closed-mindedness is directly the result of having had a monopoly for so long that the upper management of cable companies have literally no mental ability, even in order to stay in business, to grasp the simple concept of providing what most people actually want.

    2. Re:Here's your answer by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      This.
      They already know this is what people want. Trouble is, they will NEVER do it. not for anything that makes economic sense to the consumer anyway.

      Well then, as I said, they better not let the door hit them on the way out. Because I won't play their game, period.

      They have two choices: they can either meet their customer's needs (or wants, or whatever), or they can go out of business.

      I don't really care which it is at this point.

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    3. Re:Here's your answer by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I cut the cable and threw up an antenna a couple of years ago now.
      If anything the quality of service is actually better than cable. Significantly less commercials, all the channels are digital, and I can still use my mythtv box instead of having to pay extra monthly rent for some technically unnecessary set top box.

    4. Re:Here's your answer by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I cut the cable and threw up an antenna a couple of years ago now.

      The cable companies are looking in a mirror, slitting their own throats, and wondering, "who is slitting my throat?"

      It'll be interesting to see which if any of them are still around in 10 years. Some of they may be able to adapt the way Netflix was able to, but I suspect most of them will wither away and then collapse like Blockbuster.

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  26. Built municipal networks by Simulant · · Score: 1

    And let the cable companies have the death they so richly deserve. Better yet, let's pull some eminent domain on their infrastructure.

    We probably won't have a choice. They will increase their prices and impose data caps to make up for the loss of advertising revenue from cable television.

  27. Re:Comcast should sell off their networking busine by swb · · Score: 1

    The advertisers and their media buying arms are far smarter than just paying rates based on bulk cable subscriber numbers.

    I worked in advertising for 13 years and rating and demographic analytics are extremely deep for TV. The agency I worked for had a pretty successful business unit selling media campaigns to reach regional and even national audiences based solely on coordinating local broadcast and cable spots and doing it all to reach specific demographic and ratings targets.

    Even magazines have to count giveaway copies differently than paid subscriptions.

  28. Re:Comcast should sell off their networking busine by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Even magazines have to count giveaway copies differently than paid subscriptions.

    Right, but cable companies don't have to count subscribers who don't watch TV and who are just subscribing to cable for a discount on their internet bill differently than people who actually do watch TV. There are ratings services which attempt to do that, but they by definition don't penetrate into households they attempt to reach
    via television, or households where they don't watch television and so simply don't respond to invitations to participate in surveys.

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  29. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by willy_me · · Score: 2

    Unfortunately the amount of bandwidth available for wireless is limited.

    Hence the smaller towers - which are really just boxes installed along power poles designed to service a much smaller area. This greatly reduces the subscriber / tower ratio.

  30. Re:Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go prici by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It sounds like you disagree with the business ethics of the company for whom you work, but you are still willing to take payment from them regardless.

    Seems to me you're the problem here.

    I dunno. I think his/her one post above made his employment there a net positive for society.

  31. I'm not sure that works by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Internet service has a 97% profit margin, so they could drop the prices massively and still be profitable. IIRC the same is not true for TV because the content providers have a lot of power. People basically want sports, Disney and a few drama shows. The rest is just filler. But the filler's cheap. It's there to add value. If you just paid $5 bucks a month for the stuff you want you'd get more subscribers but you couldn't pay the content providers what they're demanding.

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  32. Not sure that'll work by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    The trouble is that Internet has a crazy 97% profit margin. Google is already moving in to lay fiber. So is AT&T. AT&T did just buy direct tv so they might go the data cap route, but most of DTVs profit is from sports packages and pay TV, so they might not care as much about the caps if it means getting that money. Now, this does probably mean $100/mo for no caps, which will suck (99% profit margin anybody? Can I _please_ have municiple internet?). Then there's the possibility of 5G pushing people to mobile broadband, but that's a long shot.

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  33. Easy Answer by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Give more and charge a lot less! If the cable companies did this they could prosper. Netflix offers a lot for eight bucks a month. What can cable do for you for eight bucks a month? Fat cats who are stupid get knocked out of business all the time.

  34. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    Except Canada, where the major players are still one and the same entity.

  35. Bundling and 15 minute commercial breaks by sinij · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone willingly pay $100+ mo for shitty customer service and 15 minutes of commercials out of every hour? I think no commercials, on-demand service for 1/10th of a cost is a very logical and clear winner.

    1. Re:Bundling and 15 minute commercial breaks by hwstar · · Score: 1

      Peppering content with ads also destroys the quality of the content by adding redundancy.

    2. Re:Bundling and 15 minute commercial breaks by ycl · · Score: 1

      I recommend that you borrow an antenna and coax cable from a friend and give it a try...

      https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/...

  36. Sport, big current events, etc... by umafuckit · · Score: 1

    Cable may decline and restructure but it'll be a long slow death. They will still retain huge numbers of subscribers due to sporting events or other big current events that people like to watch.

  37. more than 15 by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Last time I worked in the TV biz it was 22 minutes of program for a 30 min show. I don't recall what a 60min show was.

  38. Re:Amazing how Netflix became so popular by ERJ · · Score: 1

    I won't purport to speak for all of Slashdot but to me this is a valid use of DRM. With Netflix you are purchasing a service, not owning the media. They are within their rights to try and protect that content.

  39. Is this really just a provider issue? by acoustix · · Score: 1

    To the best of my understanding of the industry, the providers (Comcast, Cox, Mediacom, DirecTV, Dish, etc) are pretty much restrained on how to offer the content based on their contracts with the content creators/networks. Often the networks require that channels be bundled which is why we don't see much "a la carte" choices out there.

    I'm stuck with providers like DirecTV for the near future (not that I really mind that) due to my obsession with sports.

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  40. Re:Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go prici by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Yeah, nobody should ever try for "change from within". If you think you are working for someone you don't like, you should burn the place down and rot in jail. Any other option is obviously unethical.

  41. Re:Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go prici by ycl · · Score: 1

    I am not aware of the current policies, but be sure to know what the limitations of "Flex Watch" are.

    You may or may not be able to see Pay-per-view programming, for example.

    An internet search brings up one web page, and I feel that it doesn't provide any information about restrictions if you have this package. I feel that the customer would be better served if the company had all the restrictions plainly visible one web site, and if the customer was advised of said restrictions at time of sale. Also, perhaps the customers would be happier if they didn't have to waste time calling in for something that could be easily and clearly documented on the internet.

  42. Crappy infrastructure makes it tough to do busines by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    Relatives of mine live in a rural area where local township has their own ISP. Pretty slick as this connects them to the internet independent of Comcast and ATT. My aunt cut the cable TV cord as they kept increasing rates, she has dish TV. But for internet (I don't think they do Netflix) they subscribe to this local ISP. I have read other municipalities try to do this but state regulations (promoted by Comcast and ATT) prevent implementation as grounds that local govt is competing with private businesses.

    I read about all this with Seattle, wow home of MS and so many dialups. One thing certain high speed internet is very important for local businesses along with good roads and water. Crappy infrastructure makes it tough to do business.

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  43. Basic != basic by tepples · · Score: 1

    you have to know it exists and order it directly and explicitly to get it, as they are signing up people for "standard" who ask for "basic". So maybe that's where your confusion comes from.

    That might be because in some areas, the $10 to $20 package is called "limited basic", and the $50 package is called "expanded basic".

    1. Re:Basic != basic by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/... "Basic" is defined by the FCC. Some may break the law and call it "limited basic" and "enhanced basic" but I go by law, not marketing departments. Nearly all have a sub-$20 basic. And that gets you in the door for Internet, phone and the other services. If they mess with basic, they fuck with FCC law.

    2. Re:Basic != basic by tepples · · Score: 1

      "Basic" is defined by the FCC. Some may break the law and call it "limited basic"

      From the page you linked: "Cable systems generally are required to offer a 'basic tier' of programming".
      I'm aware that the page you linked is no substitute for the text of the regulation But the wording presented on this page ("a 'basic tier'") implies to me a requirement that at least one tier of TV service has a channel set and price regulated by local government. Section 76.901(a) defines the "basic service tier" for purposes of the FCC regulation. I don't see how it forbids offering other tiers also branded "basic", as Comcast does, so long as one of them is the FCC-mandated "basic service tier". Or is it time to report Comcast to the FCC?

      Nearly all have a sub-$20 basic. And that gets you in the door for Internet, phone and the other services.

      But does it get you in the door for Internet with a higher ca^W monthly usage allowance? For example, Comcast has experimented in the past with a 5 GB/mo usage allowance, which I admit is more reminiscent of cellular or satellite Internet service than of typical cable Internet service in the United States. Is there a regulation that forbids cable operators from requiring a subscription to what the regulation calls a "cable programming services tier" (that is, something beyond basic) before the Internet subscriber can increase his monthly usage allowance?

    3. Re:Basic != basic by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      It is very interesting to me that the FCC requires such a basic tier of service. When I called a couple years ago about getting such service I was told that they don't sell such a service at all. The lowest tier they would sell sounded and was priced what is here described as Standard.

      I suppose though that my local government could have colluded with the cable providers such that the requirements for basic actually matches standard.

  44. A well-deserved demise by lfp98 · · Score: 1

    People who subscribe to other services still need a connection, and cable co's were well-positioned provide it, but stupidly, they continue to act as if they were monopolies, refusing to offer what consumers want and need: reasonable, comprehensible rate structures without hidden charges, and some semblance of customer service. In technical terms, it's a little bit crazy for people to be using wireless broadband for data-heavy internet like video, when all this hard-wired infrastructure already exists. But that's what's happening, only because Verizon and Comcast have missed their chance and botched their business model so badly. Unlike the wireless co's, they now have to maintain their hardwired networks on an ever-diminishing base of subscribers, putting them in a classic death spiral.

  45. Re:Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go prici by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

    This is why T-Mobile's new free LTE for Netflix / Hulu / etc. is so interesting. For $10 a month I get 2 GB of LTE data for anything that is not streaming video, and unlimited streaming video from Netflix (and a number of other providers)

    And just like that the monopoly Cox has on interwebz disapears. Because let's face it, at those kinds of overage prices, a mifi is actually cheaper than cable (and significantly faster) :D

  46. Re:Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go prici by ycl · · Score: 1

    You're welcome. A little research planning goes a long way... think about how many drops you want, and do your research on PVR's, etc. You don't have to rent a set-top box from your cable company, you can use your own equipment... You may be able to get three or more drops at no extra charge, ask for details. Cable lineups change frequently, study your plan online, and be aware that things can change on a month-to-month basis... I spent a lot of time educating my customers how, because of changes, that they weren't supposed to get a particular channel, or because they had a particular package, they couldn't receive the channel(s) they thought they should have. I figured thoroughly educating my customers meant that they'd be happier overall with the service...

    Remember, the more research you do on your own, the less you're on the telephone, and less chance for something going wrong. Are you wanting a pro install or can you install your own cable modem? Setting up an appointment? Make sure you get the customer service rep to read all phone numbers and the address information back to you. Be meticulous with special instructions, i.e. is there a lock on the gate? Dog? If you're in a new development that hasn't been mapped yet on internet mapping services, please indicate this, or the installer may not be able to find you. Please try to get the customer service representative to spell out words phonetically (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/a/alphabet.htm). It can be a pain, but being painstaking and careful means less wasted time for you.

    Don't forget to ask for specials. Oftentimes some people are so pressured to have short call times that important details get overlooked, don't let people rush you. Demand customer service excellence and attention to detail, especially when dealing with service appointments.

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    FCC cable television https://www.fcc.gov/general/ca...

    FCC Choosing cable channels, how to file a complaint https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/...

    FCC consumber guides https://www.fcc.gov/consumer-g...

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  47. Re:They haven't accepted that they're in 2 busines by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Well, Netflix may go that route too. They're focusing on original programming more and more which is not what their original customer based signed up for. It's just going to fragment things too much. 8 dollars here, 8 dollars there, and pretty soon you're paying real cable prices again.

  48. Re:Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go prici by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    I love the "for one year" part. No one ever says what happens after that.

  49. Re:Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go prici by Technician · · Score: 1

    As a cable cutter of 2 decades because I am not a sports fanatic, I dropped cable when the commercial free channels went away (cable started as subscriber funded and add free for those old enough to remember) which was combined by rising prices, and better content removed and placed in even higher priced priced packages.

    In one channel, Netflix offers what cable dropped. Commercial free content at a reasonable price.

    If Netflix is paying attention, if they break their model they will loose customers.

    Cox, some customers want Internet to receive their content. In the days of increasing competition and larger data plans, if you try to ride the ragged edge of profitability between industry churn and retention, any serious competition for internet services will clean out your customer base that has TV to subsidize your internet service. Unhappy customers will flee as soon as a viable alternative penetrates the market. If you don't want to provide internet becasue it cuts into your base services, you will have the same problem SONY has when they added a media division that crippled their excellent hardware.

    Comcast in my market lost me this way. I transitioned from dial up to cable and saw first had the attack on torrent traffic. A Linux distribution gradually slowed to nothing over 3 days, but a direct download mirror would download in less then 30 minutes. The connection fee was about $100 even though the cable was already in place and my home LAN already existed for wireless internet, printing, etc. $100 just to watch the tech plug into a modem, configure nothing, and connect it to my router WAN port always truck me as very wrong and over a barrel.

    As soon as DSL was offered, the cable got cut. New customers got a $100 rebate, I more then doubled my speed and my subscription was about $20/mo less.

    Comcast still tries to recruit me, and I still remind them why I am not interested as they did NOTHING in advance to retain me, or ensure I was sastified with the service.

    Centruy link on the other hand has Increased my service speed without any action on my part. Comcast kept me on a 2 meg connection. Centeruy link signup was for 6 meg. Recently I've had much higher verified speeds, unlike Comcast who often ran well under the plan 2 meg.

    Until the cable company makes major restructuring oriented to serving the customer base and providing advertised bandwidth (including peering with Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc) the competition is eating their lunch for both internet service and content.

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  50. HBO in Canada? by mauriceh · · Score: 1

    At least those of you in the USA can get HBO over your internet connection.
    Up here in Canada we have no choice but our local cable providers or satellite TV, and typically a bill over $100 a month for TV with HBO

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  51. Comcast's answer by MichaelAlexanderSavi · · Score: 1

    I thought Comcast's answer to this was those data caps.

  52. the problem by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I'm 28, I cancelled cable 2.5 years ago, and I refuse to watch another commercial as long as I live. I've hated them since I was 3 or 4 years old and cable did nothing. Fast forward and now how the hell do they think they're going to get around me times a fifty million or so aka everyone my age and younger? They shot themselves in the foot slowly and continuously by basing their business model on annoying the hell out of their customers with pointless, repetitive, low quality crap called commercials and now they've hit a dead end. Cable is dead.

  53. Re:Cox's Solution: A return to pay as you go prici by strikethree · · Score: 1

    I don't recall the exact numbers, but IIRC it's $10 per 50 gigs over the cap. Which is why we vastly increased our speeds recently -- because Netflix, Hulu, etc will use more bandwidth if it's available, which will cause you to hit the cap faster, which with this new plan with make us more money.

    That was the most interesting sentence to me. Greater bandwidth has been easy to provide but was only made available when it became possible to screw your customers with it. I am guessing charging higher fees for greater bandwidth is not as profitable as penalties and forcing customers into tv channels.

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