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Debian Founder Ian Murdock Has Died (docker.com)
Unknown Lamer writes: It has been confirmed that Debian founder Ian Murdock has died. From the Docker blog: "It is with great sadness that we inform you that Ian Murdock passed away on Monday night. This is a tragic loss for his family, for the Docker community, and the broader open source world; we all mourn his passing. ... Ian helped pioneer the notion of a truly open project and community, embracing open design and open contribution; in fact the formative document of the open source movement itself (the Open Source Definition) was originally a Debian position statement. It is a testament to Ian's commitment to openness and community that there are now more than 1,000 people currently involved in Debian development."
Look into it, he was posting the N word on Twitter. All white racists deserve to die.
So all the race baiting about police brutality and how nobody believed him because he was white (and not a "n*gger" - his words) leading to a massively publicized suicide-note-rant-against-the-police on his twitter, that was actually covered on a similar website to this one, was legit? And nobody stepped in or did a gd*** thing?
Systemd's first victim. Won't be the last. RIP.
And what great parting words he left for us:
Maybe my suicide at this, you now, a successful business man, not a NIGGER, will finally bring some attention to this very serious issue.
In this day and age, it's highly unusual for healthy 42 year olds to die all of a sudden. TFA says nothing about how he died, just that he died.
Car accident, drug overdose, heart attack, or ???
There are reports elsewhere that he tweeted about being beaten up by police and threatened suicide and was going to blog about what happened.
make tears
Isn't systemd a service manager (among other things) ?
I know it's considered inappropriate to speculate on the death of Mr. Murdock but the circumstances surrounding his sad demise was extremely disturbing.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10803924
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3yktcg/ian_murdock_debian_founder_is_threatening_suicide/
If there's anything we could reconstruct out of the fragments, he probably suffered torture at the hand of police.
It's inappropriate to speculate at this moment of sadness, but it's only fair to ask why. If that's what happened, it could happen to all of us.
Goodbye from a Debian Developer. Thanks for all the fish
Note to self:
Never, never give up after torture, abuse or rape. Few can send a real signal by killing himself. Suicide destroys the meaning of one's suffering.
Live to the end. Live and fight the injustice. Live and tell the truth.
Another loonytoon Linux junkie commits acts of violence. We need to ban Linux or at least do a mental exam before once can involve themselves in Linux.
Your uptime was shorter than normal, but you were a master of creation and you served the community well.
The bizarre nature of those last tweets and the fact that the attached email domain on those was imurdock.com rather than his actual website which is ianmurdock.com makes this situation very suspicious. I hope more information is release soon as it seems highly likely foul play is involved.
Stay sentient. Don't drink bad milk.
and I am ashamed to live in a society where there was no one around to help him find a better way through this.
This has nothing to do with SystemD. Someone is dead, spamming your pro-SystemD propaganda is highly inappropriate.
Please stop.
I am very, very sad to hear this news. Debian GNU/Linux has brought much joy to my life. Thank You and Rest in Peace, Ian Murdock.
-drew (@pdp7)
The systemd process monitor couldn't restart him?
Have gnu, will travel.
It sounds to me like he was clinically schizophrenic and went off his medication. That would explain why he interacted with police (odd behavior in public), was restrained and then released, why the tone of his Twitter messages changed abruptly, and why he subsequently committed suicide (schizophrenics are at high risk for suicide).
People deciding on suicide for real rarely make future plans, but his last tweets were full of them. I wonder about head trauma, mostly because of the extreme confusion here. Note his first line. He didn't want anyone to stop him from killing himself, because he had stories that he wanted to tell.
Is it possible this was an assassination and the twitter "rant" was part of the cover-up? Faking suicides seems like an ideal way for agencies to act.
Old programmers never die. They redirect to /dev/null. RIP, Ian.
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
He dove into a psychotic episode, went raving to the neighbor's house, who called the cops on him, who handled him like they would. But instead of institutionalizing him, they left him at his house, perhaps going/waiting for backup. Then they were called on him again, or they returned and they manhandled him again. Like they would. Then, still in his paranoid, psychotic mindstate, he committed suicide. And it all could have been prevented with the proper application of a straitjacket, a padded room, a nurse, some intravenous medication, and a bit of time and sleep.
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
when will the madness stop?
I certainly will not believe any official reports - the fact that they're late means they're being cooked, without doubt. Some multi-millionaires out there need to make sure to get all the way to the bottom of this.
Remeber: Hans Reiser is still alive and not done removing bad influences.
Hans Reiser did the correct thing.
Ian Murdock did the incorrect thing.
The God written of in Deuteronomy does not say kill thyself.
He says to kill others.
And he says who needs to be killed, describes them rather than naming
for the most part, this way you can recognise them throughout the ages.
>" Ian Murdock â@imurdock  14h14 hours ago
>This was right after the female officer ripped off my underwear.. I
>guess that's not considered rape if you're not a woman being raped."
>"Ian Murdock â@imurdock  15h15 hours ago
>The rest of my life is to fight against the police.. they are NOT
>friends, so don't ever ever believe otherwise."
That was clear since the late 1800s:
>In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10-12, (in Delaware it was 7 in 1895).[8] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign[9] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16-18 years by 1920.
>Maybe my suicide at this, you now, a successful business man, not a NIGGER, will finally bring some attention to this very serious issue.
Debian doesn't give a shit, Ian wouldn't have approved of Debian-Women and Systemd garbage (1/2assed reimplementation of Sun's system).
if the police beat and violated him why didn't he just kill the pigs? you'd think pigs would get put down every day in this country given how many people they abuse. he could have done the rest of us a favor and taken some of them out before offing himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQri8DxF3u0
redwards510 on hackernews said:
Well, it appears his arrest was real, not a delusion. This is all the information they had on VINE.
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=50...
Offender Name: IAN ASHLEY MURDOCK Offender ID/CDCR:608067 Date of Birth:04/28/1973 Age: 42 Race: White Gender: Male
Custody Status: Out of Custody Date: 12/27/2015 Reason:Bonded out
Puts his last comments in context. RIP.
http://pastebin.com/yk8bgru5
Yup. Dead at 42. Cause isn't given but it was that he was killed by a black man who considered him a racist. Strangely, that didn't improve his opinion of blacks, nor did it improve that of his family or friends.
http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10813524
Apparently everybody here thinks "HarrySquatter" and his accusations of "racism" are somehow important. This is a story about police brutality and a tragic suicide. I cannot imagine why people think race is important here.
Thank you.
Blacks can't be racist.
By "can't be racist" I'm pretty sure he meant that society doesn't treat crimes equally. If a group of whites beats up a black it's a hate crime that requires a federal investigation; if a group of blacks beats up a white it's just street crime.
Why throw your body on a grenade when you can throw the body of the person next to you? Your chosen "rational" act turns out to be irrational. You did not think that through.
How do you know the hardship is short term? Pretty ignorant assumption.
You also presume to dismiss and override entire fields of study and replace with your opinion as "fact".
It is a tragedy that you post as an anonymous coward. I would seem that you are either a troll or an idiot. Could you please explain which?
classic false flag smear. Ian Murdock certainly was involved with the much larger debate around how to best utilize systemd. I read so many tech journalism articles about that saga that I can smell the false flag here.
If it was a Microsoft employee, it would be in the news for days.
this guy was an awful SJW. great that he went out in a blaze of racism. RIP faggot.
According to the Ubuntu mailing list cause of death was autoerotic asphyxiation. Interestingly, that is the same cause of death as W. Richard Stevens, another Unix software guru. Perhaps the most famous person to die from the practice of autoerotic asphyxiation was kung fu master David Carradine. If you search the net you can actually find pictures of the death scene. Priceless!
Police woman humiliated him when he was drunk.
He arab spring'd
https://archive.is/cPE6h
No man with a (white) afghan child bride kills himself.
great maybe systemd will die now as well!
This hits very close to home for me. I was also arrested for felony battery and held by the SFPD. (The San Mateo County sheriffs, who police Caltrain, were the ones to make the arrest, but I was taken to the SFPD jail.) That's the only time I've ever been in jail, and it seriously fucked with me. I always thought that I would be able to handle jail/prison - hah, wrong! It's a completely dehumanizing experience.
When I first got there, I was thrown in the drunk tank and left for hours. (After a false felony battery charge, why not a false drunk in public charge?) Like Ian, I couldn't find out anything about my situation. The guards refused to answer any of my questions. There was a phone in the cell, but it was next to useless because everyone I called was unable to navigate the byzantine collect call system. (I briefly wrote about this in a previous comment in an earlier story.) The only things to do were to ponder how truly fucking scary it would be if I were eventually tried and convicted or stare at the ceiling and wonder if the stains were feces or peanut butter from the disgusting sandwiches they provided. I'm a self-confident, mentally-stable person, but that started evaporating disturbingly fast.
Things got a little better for me once they moved me from the drunk tank to a regular cell. I finally made some progress on getting bail. They took my mugshot and started processing the fingerprint/background checks. At this point, at least there was a light at the end of the tunnel. While things were looking up for me, at this point I started seeing the more fucked up shit other people were going through. The majority of the people in my new cell were making phone calls to anyone who would answer (this phone made local calls free) trying to scrounge together bail. While I was mad as hell that I was throwing away >$2,000 in bail (10% of the $25k that Ian mentioned), I'm well-off and would have spent far more to get the hell out of there. This was a Friday night, and you wouldn't get arraigned until Monday morning if you couldn't make bail. It was heartbreaking to watch these guys make call after call for bail money that they just didn't have. In retrospect, maybe I should have helped them out, but at the time I was doing my best to keep to myself.
The low point for me was one point when I saw a number of guards rushing to some situation. I couldn't see what was going on, but it was a few minutes of a lot of shouting and one voice yelping in pain. I then saw 5-6 officers manhandling an inmate to lead him to a cell. They were forcing him to do some reverse crabwalk sorta thing with his wrists chained down by his ankles, all while he's clearly in pain and protesting that he didn't do anything. This is when it really dawned on me how much these corrupt fucks can control your lives. I was confined to this cell of thick glass and concrete because of a lie. Once in jail, there's virtually nothing stopping them from using further lies to justify abuse. I have no clue if the inmate actually did something wrong or was being abused by sadistic guards, but I sure as hell wasn't going to believe the guards (who are sheriffs) just after being falsely arrested by one of their fellow officers.
Eventually my bail went through, the background check came back clean, and I was going to be released soon. For some reason I don't understand, they again transferred me to another cell. When we got there, it was full of what I stereotyped as mentally ill homeless people. One dude was lying on the floor drooling and shaking. I could not deal with this and froze up. Ignoring that this man clearly needed to be in a hospital instead of a jail, all I could do was ask to go back to the previous cell. Thankfully, it wasn't a sheriff but an administrative employee moving me around at this point, and he was sympathetic enough to take me back to the previous cell. That was the only shred of humanity I saw from anyone who worked at the jail, and it's not
You know I asked my grandfather about the weird banker deaths, Swartz's death and now this one this evening and he had a interesting response:
"During the purge in the 1930's lots of people went missing. Mainly individuals in societal roles that some in society are not happy with."
I replied: "But these people had families and nobody hated them they did interesting things and certainly were not criminals."
His response?
"Not criminal perhaps to you and me, but those in power have their own rule of law."
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
I wrote A Requiem for Ian Murdock.
Muricas time is finished. The shortest, like 50 years, empire in the history. No, you dont do this to the guy who created your nervous system. This is a country of unbelievable stupid people in power. By any logic this just cant prevail. Mindless puppets should not be allowed to even stay close to the knowledge and intelligence contributors like Ian. This is obvious: country like that cant hold a superiority for more than a generation of idiots granted with enormous power. Roman Empire was calling and asking for Vandals
Any sign of the bruises / beating? When did it occur? I'm curious wtf happened and when it happened
Also, nothing on his web page, did someone revert it? Anyone got a cached copy?
I'm very shocked that the death of Ian got so little attention or coverage. He died on Monday, but the world was notified until Wednesday, without any more detail regarding his death. All you guys talking about was criticising him being racist, what's wrong with this world?
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One one hand, most decisions are made on an emotional not a rational basis. But it is almost impossible to entirely separate them as we will rationalise the emotional decision. But in urgent, emergency situations it is almost purely emotional. So, jumping on the grenade is a purely emotional decision. Rationally, throwing someone else on the grenade would produce the same result - one death - but you would survive. A thick steel table would be even better. But there is no time to examine data, to think, in a hand grenade situation so whatever action is taken it will not be rational.
On the other hand, I knew a few people who have exited this world of their own accord. At least one of them I could have prevented with a few days or a week's searching. I did not make the effort and he died. Yet I do not feel guilty that I failed to act out of my own self (and family) interest. I waited for him to return. He chose not to return. That was his choice and he made it rationally, painless and carefully planned. Wether it was a good solution for him or not I will never know but it was reasoned and rational.
In the gripping hand ,we have we have those who for various reasons choose euthanasia (still suicide). A good solution for some intractable problems and a rational response to them.
So, rational/irrational, good/bad all depend on circumstances. No generalisations are possible and peoples opinions of each case will differ wildly. You would think an atheist and a deist might even agree - but for very different reasons.
The negativity (as I see it) comes from having fixed attitudes with not a lot to support them. "This is right and all else is wrong" is a bit damn religious for me. Little turns out to be black and white in reality. That is one part of the negativity. Also, In this thread I have been called an asshole, and attacked because someone desired to win an argument irregardless (and no, that does mean the same thing as regardless). That seems negative to me.
Sorry if I have offended you but it is hard to discuss things when I do not know which person is posting. AC is generic. If you have something to say then at least use "a" name. I do not care if it AC451 but unless I have some sort of identifier I tend to be flippant. Okay, more than you wanted to know. Sorry.
There is no setting to block all ACs?
This is horrible.
Having gone through the data I could find this evening, it appears that Ian was a victim of mental illness and perhaps substance abuse which initiated two interactions with police. I do not have sufficient information to say if police conduct was at fault.
He was a very bright and creative guy who, unfortunately went through lots of ups and downs. He didn't deserve to end this way. Nobody does.
Bruce Perens.
I'll never forget the first time I did 'apt-get update '. It was on dial up.
My computer somehow just fired up some dial up script (wvdial?), connected to the internet and before I knew it.. I was downloading updates.
I was mystified how it was all so automated. I spent hours on dselect playing with whatever packages seemed interesting.
I see the way that the apple app store works now and I can't help but think how debian was waaaay ahead its time for a centralized app repository.
RIP Ian and thank you for debian.
A man is dead. A good man who did great things in our lives. He's dead. At only 42 years old. The cause is unknown, and the information shared publicly is either a cover up or very disturbing. As a big community, the only thing we should be talking about is why. Was he at a mental breaking point, did something terrible happen to him, was he murdered? These are are legitimate concerns we should have, not your petty juvenile banter about his supposed words or your topically incorrect assumptions about racism. He's dead people, and at least those in the peanut gallery really don't understand why. Please, get over yourselves and start asking the right questions.
Linux developers don't die, they just become part of /dev/null
I'm getting bored
Being part of mankind
There's not a lot to do no more
This race is a waste of time
People rushing everywhere
Swarming around like flies
Think I'll buy a forty-four
Give them all a surprise
Think I'm gonna kill myself
'Cause a little suicide
Stick around for a couple of days
What a scandal if I died
Yeah I'm gonna kill myself
Get a little headline news
I'd like to see what the papers say
On the state of white man blues
A rift in my family
I can't use the car
I gotta be in by ten o'clock
Who do they think they are
I'd make an exception
If you want to save my life
Brigitte Bardot gotta come
And see me every night
Bunch of cunts. Thinking you're so smart but you're without wisdom. A guy died and your egos want to dance on his grave, wanna be know it alls. Fuck you.
Another master samurai has laid down to rest. Be at peace, Ian; and thanks for such great software!
"... people absolutely can choose to move from one tribe to another. "
Contrary to your later assertion, that statement does in fact strongly imply that racial identity is merely a matter of a persons individual choice.
"Could Barack Obama decide to be white? Sure. He could decide to self-identify as white, and he could announce that to the world. The response would be a mixture of bafflement, outrage and laughter, and no one would buy it, because his tribal membership is too strongly and publicly established."
And here you contradict yourself, invalidate any point you are trying to make and obliterate any meaningful content in your post.
A good indication Murdock had a clinker in his thinker was his decision to use That Word, which (just witness this thread!) did nothing but spiral the discussion in unfortunate and unproductive ways. It dissipated the vector of whatever it was that Murdock was trying to achieve ...assuming he wasn't just ill. Which is how it's looking.
It's damning that no friends have spoken up to describe his brutality experience, comportment, appearance, injuries, and so on. Someone who is right in their head would have turned to allies, family, friends, colleagues. Casting bytes into the abyss of Twitter instead... not a rational response.
Perhaps he had no one? What would that indicate, if so?
In that way, all the indicators (the banging on neighbors' houses, the interactions with the cops, the rants, That Word, and ultimately suicide) indicate far more about Murdock and his mental state than about the cops or anything else. Unfortunately it also adds up to a blank slate upon which the agenda'd can cast their own dysfunctions.
Seems his passing adds up to a waste. Pity.
KGIII thank you for your perspective.. thats the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE you assholes!
Heres another one... that's going to surely be misunderstood and ignored for its substance and intentionally broken into puzzle pieces as I have to say something but cant say everything in a linear way safely. Either way I have to say something.. I have been silent too long and I need to for Ian.
I am white, I am not racist. There is one race... human race. Species.
We use the word race... oddly nobody ever points out that the word race isn't even meaningful. What is a race?
Now that I have spent time saying stuff people will scroll past... here is my point.
I had to leave S.F. and everything/everyone I ever cared about recently. ... that is all the things I have built/created/owned.
I used to be a person who had a career. I used to be a person who created jobs and who also was in the same position as Ian in life.
It felt great to be that man. I was generous, I was able to be thankful, grateful. I did drugs too and also I was a liberal forward thinking hacker/activist.
I did a lot of things that would get the attention of the NSA, etc. (hi guys!) unintentionally... then when I knew that they were watching me I changed my thinking and became ultra paranoid. My life fell apart. I was harassed. I was abused. I was kidnapped I was robbed I was treated like a black man. I interviewed a lot of black men when I was in jail. I debated with them the problems and came up with solutions. I was overheard.. and punished severely for getting people to respect themselves. To stand up to these scum we pay to harm people. They have a word for this type of egghead in jails... "jailhouse lawyers".
I was not allowed to get a job. I was recruited to work on the east coast. They will find me after they see I posed this. I don't care anymore. Come and get me. I'll fucking kill myself too before you do because I have nothing left to lose (thay took it all from me.. everything.).
So... I left SF after an altercation with police that nearly got me killed. I have been in hiding ever since.. it was all based on a position I took as an activist and professional to stick up for what I believed in. I was defending this to the death. I am now like people who are "lower class" (but merely look like they are.. intentionally? NO. usually after courts and police activity caused them to take some fall.. it becomes a targeting thing after that.. it snowballs and can wreck an organized and financially stable person in a matter of months.) I got (more than few times in a year) chased, hunted, robbed, beaten, kidnapped, harassed, stalked, manipulated, slandered, and all of the very things that make me look like I amdelusional when I speak about them. I know people like me are and have been killed every day. DHS has what they call "waste" like me cleaned up like clockwork... people are being set into little algorithmic traps.. being pushed down stairwells into sewers to find when they wake up, a motorcycle then explodes when you hit 30mph. Yes that last sentence was an allegory of sorts.
Sorry if my post is selfiswh but Ian is like me and to see this makes me want to speak out for myself but mostly for Ian in the way that I wish I could give him some advice.. and rescue him but that chance is gone now.
Until someday when I have money again... so I can buy my way back to the US.
Just kidding... I'm never going back. Fuck the USA. Fuck the police state. Fuck your oil wells and your military and most of all fuck your "freedom" that you never had. Its not like people are fighting for it.. you have to know it isnt cool for you all to sit at home while people are protesting in Oakland... when cops are running and gunning down mortorcyclists on the 280. Did i just say that? Yeah. You guys will just watch this kind of thing on your morning cvommute and make a guy like Ian think that you all are complicit and part of the operation at hand. If you cared you wouldnt be so fucking comfortable in your mercedes... or blame the guy being shot at in the lane next to you.
where is open source when we need it, eh?
i'm bleeding inside, i NEED to hear you out, to KNOW what happened for you, from you.
i need to see your code.
all i get is these damned twitter messages, where is the REST?
i'm sure i understand a little of where you have been, have been there myself, i feel, many times.
like most of us, i live in debian, love it because i can read EVERY WORD of it's story.
i need to know yours now, please show us where to find it.
thank you, ian, from the bottom of my heart,
all the best, out there..
another debian user
The assassination plot was planned in the freemasons lodge of London because Ian refused to give up Debian's security. As you all know, the freemason govs are really bothered from the Internet because it is the only thing that you could not control! RIP Ian.
I encourage everyone reading this, regardless of where you live, to contact California Assemblyman David Chiu. Chiu is a the California state legislator for the district including San Francisco. He is a mainstream elitist Democrat, but historically he has been close to the Silicon Valley tech community.
When you call Chiu's office, politely explain the Murdock case if the staffer you speak with is not familiar. Mention that the SFPD is widely known to be corrupt. Then - again, politely - ask that the Assemblyman work to have the incident investigated by an independent investigator from outside the San Francisco Police Department. A state assemblymember does not have direct legal authority to appoint an investigator - but for sure, if an elected legislator speaks out, many people will listen.
Assemblyman Chiu's office phone number is (916) 319-2017. His staffer was interested and courteous when I called earlier today. You can also contact Chiu electronically thru his official website