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US Gov't Confirms Clinton Emails Contained Top-Secret Information (thenextweb.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Just days before candidates begin primary season with caucuses in Iowa and New Hampshire, the Obama administration confirmed for the first time that Hillary Clinton's emails did contain sensitive information. The Associated Press reports that seven of these email chains, are being withheld from the press because they contain information deemed to be "top secret" and that 37 pages included messages described by intelligence officials as "special access programs" — meaning, highly restricted and closely guarded government secrets.

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  1. What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    She already confirmed they didn't.

    1. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      But that doesn't stop the new conservative owners of this site from pushing this load of garbage.

    2. Re:What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes because we should just believe whatever dear leader says, right?

    3. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She confirmed it. Maybe you don't know what that word means.

    4. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh.

    5. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      She's a confirmed liar. But you won't accept that will you?

    6. Re: What a load of BS by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only one that will profit from this is Bernie Sanders. So far he hasn't been touching the email issue, probably because it's contaminated.

      Hillary has so far not been convincing in the denials around that - or a lot of other stuff that she did during her time as secretary of state.

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    7. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When has she ever lied? Republicans are delusional and assume because they are so dishonest that everyone else must be too.

    8. Re: What a load of BS by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      You put too much into expecting that this was pushed by the owners. Enough people finds this interesting enough to have it published.

      If you want to make a difference - find crap on Trump and Cruz to counter with.

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    9. Re:What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well jeez if Hillary says so, it must be true, right?

    10. Re: What a load of BS by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Insightful

      hilary is basically unelectable over this issue. who ever the republican nominee is (begins with TRUM) will hammer her daily about this, drown out all the news cycles, and she'll never be able to get her message out there.

    11. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nobody is unelectable.

    12. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      She repeatedly broke the rules because she wanted to beat the system. She runs a farce of a charitable foundation which gives almost no money to charity, and which doubles as a campaign slush fund. And she lied at every step of the way.

      I'm a democrat and that's not some partisan attack. She's a corporate whore. Her donor list is a who's who of the banking, insurance industry and big-Pharma elite. Why on earth is she even considered to represent the people's party?

      Screw Hilary and her elitist cabal of sell-out faux-populists.

      She's the absolute worst,

    13. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Benghazi?

      Her claim that there were no classified emails on her home server?

      Come on. She's cooked.

    14. Re: What a load of BS by mwvdlee · · Score: 0

      Anything politically charged is bound to cause lots of comments on Slashdots.
      It's all about selling advertising space.
      Just be happy the subject wasn't "10 Shocking Things You Won't Believe US gov't Said About Clinton".

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    15. Re:What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She already confirmed they didn't.

      And, if the Republicans had the proof they claim, they would have already had her arrested. By not doing so, they're proving they have no evidence.

    16. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But that doesn't stop the new conservative owners of this site from pushing this load of garbage.

      Excuse me, but I don't consider the opinions of our intelligence agency professionals, who have examined the emails in question, to be garbage. Moreover, Mrs. Clinton is a candidate for President of the United States which makes this all the more relevant. I don't know what's in the emails. I haven't seen them and neither have you. I can understand why Bernie didn't want to discuss the emails either, especially before this latest news, because it was speculation. However, the situation has changed now. The emails will not be released, even partially redacted, because, in the opinion of the intelligence professionals who examined them, they contain references to information obtained through "special access programs", which could reveal sources of information or endanger the lives of those working with American intelligence agencies. What are we to conclude from this latest development? That the emails contained no classified information? If so, then why are the emails never going to be released, even in redacted form? No matter how you slice it, that looks bad. Maybe you're willing to give Mrs. Clinton a pass for breaking the law, but that's hardly a qualification for becoming the chief executive of the United States, an office with responsibility for enforcing the laws. How can somebody who breaks the law with seeming impunity be elected to enforce it upon others? If our laws don't bind everyone equally, whether they be high or low, then what are they? These are serious questions that cannot be dismissed. I will be very interested now to hear the recommendation of the FBI. If they recommend prosecution and President Obama orders the Justice Department not to pursue the case, that would be tremendously damaging to the rule of law in this country and ultimately that's what separates us here in the United States from every other two-bit dictatorship. Without the rule of law the United States will become a mere shadow of it's former self, a kleptocracy in all but name with government by men (or women) and not laws.

    17. Re: What a load of BS by Dahamma · · Score: 1, Troll

      Wait, CLINTON is UNELECTABLE because she may or may not have sent emails from a personal server that though not top secret secure has no evidence anything was leaked - and have proven through the non-redacted bits that her means were ignorant of technology but her intent was just to get shit done.

      But TRUMP, who has openly contradicted almost every stance he has previously held, has insulted almost every class of citizen except "straight white Christian male" (debatable, since he has even made veiled references that anyone supporting him is a moron), and has even literally praised and kowtowed to the US's greatest rival, Vladimir Putin, is somehow ELECTABLE (let alone not a real traitor)?

    18. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      hilary is basically unelectable over this issue.

      What a load of garbage. There is no evidence. If there was, the Republicans would have already arrested her. It only took a single email to take General Petraeus down. Are you really claiming that a single email can take down the director of the CIA, but these thousands that the Republicans claim can't even result in a grand jury? Your claim is irrational.

    19. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why this isn't a valid news story, but this site is so biased they dishonestly publish it.

      Right. That must be why the Associated Press, a bastion of conservative reporting, is running the story. Hillary Clinton is running for President of the United States and this is a legitimate news story in that context. Deal with it.

    20. Re: What a load of BS by Dahamma · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you want to make a difference - find crap on Trump and Cruz to counter with.

      Really? Why even bother? There is already so much public crap on Trump he should be buried 15' deep, but apparently his Republican base just doesn't care. They have taken said crap and just stuffed it in their ears so they don't have to acknowledge it.

    21. Re: What a load of BS by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 2

      The executive branch is in charge of convening Grand Juries and investigating/prosecuting crimes.

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    22. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right? She "confirmed" they didn't. 100% honest to goodness. No way jose.

      Except... turns out she lied.

      Again.

      That's what happens when you try to hide the "charitable" activities of the Clinton "foundation". When is this horrible creature going to be sent up the river?

    23. Re: What a load of BS by popo · · Score: 2

      Wait. Seriously?

      I don't vote in the USA, but claiming that "one" party is the "honest" one, and the other isn't... is borderline hilarious.

      They're all a bunch of crooks. The discussion of who's a bigger crook is laughable.

      The reason that this election is different (Sanders and Trump) is because people have seen through the BS on BOTH sides of the US Government. The democratic establishment and the republican establishment alike are both equally terrified that their "chosen" horses might not win the race, and might get one-upped by the second-string horses that were just there to make the whole thing look legit.

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    24. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >has insulted almost every class of citizen except "straight white Christian male"

      He is the only one who isn't insulting the White Christian male.

    25. Re: What a load of BS by Panoptes · · Score: 1

      The Sarevo Airport incident, for a start.

    26. Re: What a load of BS by XaXXon · · Score: 1

      as if she wasn't before. I don't know anyone who is actually excited about the prospect of hillary being president.

    27. Re: What a load of BS by dcw3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, she's unelectable because what she did was criminal. It doesn't matter if the data was leaked or not. What matters is that she knowingly had classified (the lack of markings also doesn't matter...when you know material is of a classified matter, and she claims openly that she does, then you report it and turn it over), and claimed she didn't, and then tried to whitewash the entire matter.

      Now her campaign is taking the tactic that it's because the govt. is overclassifying the material. Answer this...how would they know unless they know what's in those 22 emails that nobody has seen. Regardless, it certainly wouldn't be lowered from Top Secret to Unclass, and anything about that would be admitting that she had stored classified. And nobody, but nobody, gets to "just get shit done" with that.

      As for your misdirection with Trump, yes he's a jackass too. But it's off-topic.

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    28. Re: What a load of BS by XaXXon · · Score: 1

      may or may not have?

      comparing highly illegal behavior to what you consider to be immoral behavior.

      Are you a hillary campaign manager?

    29. Re: What a load of BS by Panoptes · · Score: 1

      Whoops, that should be Sarajevo.

    30. Re: What a load of BS by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      But what does Netcraft have to say on the matter?

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    31. Re:What a load of BS by dcw3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      She already confirmed they didn't.

      And, if the Republicans had the proof they claim, they would have already had her arrested. By not doing so, they're proving they have no evidence.

      The Obama Justice Dept. is the one that gets to decide to indict her or not. Thanks for playing.

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    32. Re: What a load of BS by Alypius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Her intent was not to "get shit done", it was to keep as much as possible from being subject to FOIA requests; remember that she directed at least one aide to circumvent classified channels by manually retyping classified information, stripping it of its classification markings, and sending over the internet. And are you seriously suggesting that it's okay because there's "no evidence anything was leaked"? Because the fact that it was on a non-secure server IS evidence that it was leaked.

    33. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The executive branch is in charge of convening Grand Juries and investigating/prosecuting crimes.

      Exactly, and it appears that Obama is dragging this out so that her arrest happens closer to the election in order to maximize the damage. For seven years now he has done nothing but help the Republicans and hurt his own party.

    34. Re:What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She already confirmed they didn't.

      And, if the Republicans had the proof they claim, they would have already had her arrested. By not doing so, they're proving they have no evidence.

      The Obama Justice Dept. is the one that gets to decide to indict her or not. Thanks for playing.

      And given his jealousy of the Clinton's and their great success, if he had a damn bit of evidence, he'd act on it. Instead, there has been no evidence released and no charges filed. This is a non-story that the Republicans keep trying unsuccessfuly to make stick.

    35. Re: What a load of BS by Alypius · · Score: 1

      I didn't say she didn't do anything. I said, "Her intent...was to keep as much as possible from being subject to FOIA requests." Please try reading for comprehension.

    36. Re: What a load of BS by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      so, that pretty much makes her part of the GOP.

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    37. Re: What a load of BS by jcr · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The only one that will profit from this is Bernie Sanders.

      Nope. If she gets put away, his chance to be VP does, too. If he gets the nomination, he'll be the next George McGovern.

      he hasn't been touching the email issue, probably because it's contaminated.

      He's treating her with kid gloves, because he wants something from her.

      -jcr

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    38. Re: What a load of BS by jcr · · Score: 0

      There is no evidence.

      The denial is strong in this one. Not to mention ridiculous.

      -jcr

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    39. Re: What a load of BS by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Informative

      Right? She "confirmed" they didn't. 100% honest to goodness. No way jose.

      Except... turns out she lied.

      Again.

      No, not really. According to this NY Times article, and reports I heard on NPR earlier:

      The State Department said it had “upgraded” the classification of the emails at the request of the nation’s intelligence agencies. Mr. Kirby said that none of the emails had been marked at any level of classification at the time they were sent through Mrs. Clinton’s computer server.

      So, they're classified *now* after the fact but were not earlier. From what I know, and is noted in the article itself, this is not that uncommon. Furthermore:

      “We understand that these emails were likely originated on the State Department’s unclassified system before they were ever shared with Secretary Clinton, and they have remained on the department’s unclassified system for years,” Mr. Fallon said.

      Officials at the State Department have said the “upgrading” of the classification of Mrs. Clinton’s emails has been routine. Mr. Kirby said Friday that the classification review was “focused on whether they need to be classified today.”

      Apparently, at least one of the emails was about a NY Times article about the US classified drone program. Hard to imagine why an email about an article in a public newspaper would be classified.

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    40. Re: What a load of BS by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      The only one that will profit from this is Bernie Sanders.

      Nope. If she gets put away, his chance to be VP does, too. If he gets the nomination, he'll be the next George McGovern.

      Not necessarily a bad thing. I can think of worse labels to get.

      he hasn't been touching the email issue, probably because it's contaminated.

      He's treating her with kid gloves, because he wants something from her.

      -jcr

      You mean that Sanders would be vice president. The alternative to that - I don't want to go there, too much lemonparty association.

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    41. Re: What a load of BS by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Except... turns out she lied.

      No . . . really . . . she's always been a resident of New York . . . even though she never lived there . . . until the prominent Democrat Senator Patrick Moynihan retired, and there was a Democrat seat open in the Senate.

      In New York, you could run a house plant on the election platform . . . and it would get elected.

      Well, let's see how the US general electorate decides . . . but with Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump on the ballot . . . of course . . . America loses . . .

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    42. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, I might add.

    43. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK Mr Smartass conservative, if what she did is criminal, then why have charges not been filed?

      Lifelong Democrat here...et me be blunt:

      Charges not been filed because she was the Secretary of State AND a former First Lady. There's no way the government will blacken its own eye by doing a goddamn thing to her. They'd NEVER put a former First Lady in jail. She could behead a 9-year old boy on the steps of the White House on national TV and she'd still get off.

      I'm a Democrat, and a pretty liberal one at that. And yet, I have NO love in my heart for Hillary Clinton- she's a fascist tool of the banking industry and rich, moneyed, concerns. She's a crook and a liar, basically a Republican-Lite masquerading as a Democrat.

      Let's face it- she fucked up and broke the law with the whole private email server thing and we both know it. If you or I had been found to have a single classified email on OUR private server we'd already be serving time in prison somewhere. But not her, oh nooooooo.

      So no, even a lifelong Democrat like me won't vote for her. I just can't do it. I gotta call 'em as I see 'em, and she's dirty, as dirty as they come.

    44. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, she's unelectable because what she did was criminal. It doesn't matter if the data was leaked or not. What matters is that she knowingly had classified (the lack of markings also doesn't matter...when you know material is of a classified matter, and she claims openly that she does, then you report it and turn it over), and claimed she didn't, and then tried to whitewash the entire matter.

      Now her campaign is taking the tactic that it's because the govt. is overclassifying the material. Answer this...how would they know unless they know what's in those 22 emails that nobody has seen. Regardless, it certainly wouldn't be lowered from Top Secret to Unclass, and anything about that would be admitting that she had stored classified. And nobody, but nobody, gets to "just get shit done" with that.

      As for your misdirection with Trump, yes he's a jackass too. But it's off-topic.

      Without knowing what these e-mail contained I'm not going to jump to the conclusion Hilary Clinton was mailing the real world identities of th CIA's chief spies in the Kremlin to her friends in clear text. Overclassification of documents is a real problem. I do research into WWI/II as a hobby and there is a mountain of stuff available for research today that would still be classified for no particular reason othe than sloth and bureaucracy if a lone US govt official hadn't decided to declassify it when he had the authority to do so decades ago. The label 'Top Secret' is a type of holy cow in the US. People assume that everything labeled 'Top Secret' is guaranteed to be a vital state secret. However, the bottom line is that you would not believe some of the stuff that has a 'Top Secret' stamp. Apart from all the cruft that is still labelled thus, 'Top Secret' serves purposes other than state security. For example, it is very convnient to cover up incompetence and corruption by stamping stuff 'Top Secret'. It is also very convenient to bash people for being careless with 'Top Secret' information even if the information in question was pretty harmless because it is not as if the accused can defend themselves by revealing the over classified information to shed light on the idiocy of the charges. If you went on a witch hunt for people who for some reason mailed classified data to non cleared persons you'd have to crack down on most of congress and large portions of the military. So if it is all the same to you I'll remain skeptical until I know whether Hillary really did mishandle something really important or whether this is just a big shitstorm over harmless information that happened to be labelled 'Top Secret' for the purpose of campaign sabotage.

    45. Re: What a load of BS by c8663 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently, at least one of the emails was about a NY Times article about the US classified drone program. Hard to imagine why an email about an article in a public newspaper would be classified.

      If the person who sent the article from the public newspaper has classified knowledge and that person makes comments about the public newspaper article, then the e-mail has classified information.

    46. Re: What a load of BS by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      There is already so much public crap on Trump he should be buried 15' deep, but apparently his Republican base just doesn't care.

      Weak interpretation.

      Trump only matters because the media gives him more coverage than all the other candidates from both parties combined. The media is literally funding his election campaign. Trump will be elected for certain unless he pulls out of the race.

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    47. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It only took a single email to take General Petraeus down.
      Why is this message not voted or ranked (or whatever this site calls it) higher? That is a great point. The FBI said earlier they estimated there were 1,350 classified emails that she sent. Why does she get away with doing something over a thousand times that got the head of the CIA fired for doing once?

    48. Re: What a load of BS by c8663 · · Score: 2

      Her intent was not to "get shit done", it was to keep as much as possible from being subject to FOIA.

      This is the real issue. She does not want to leave a paper trail of her deeds or or more likely misdeeds.

    49. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is correct, though. ALL the evidence points to these being unclassified at the time.

    50. Re: What a load of BS by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's yet to be seen. The issue here is that the bulk of the email is so large that it is being sorted and the security classification is being determined in batches. The articles you reference can only speak to the amounts of email processed to date and they are dated before this statement about the yet to be released next batch (it missed the deadline).

      The assertion of classification alterations after the fact may well be true. Just as we cannot make the affirmative statement that all the emails were not classified when sent, we cannot make the same that any were classified until it has been processed. Executive order 13526 makes all official communication with foreign nations classified by default until declassified so I find it improbable that all emails were later classified. But I also do not see much in the way of sensitive information being discussed via email in this sense. You would think a more dedicated secure source of communication would be employed for state level negotiations other than "hope you like steak and potatoes " concerning a state dinner or "congratulations on your daughter getting married " good will type communication.

    51. Re: What a load of BS by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Of course. Fuck it. If it's convenient, regardless of the law, the right thing to do, or damages something or someone else, if it's convenient do it!

      Take a short cut across the golf course in your bro truck! Fuck it! It's convenient!

      Pour that oil down the drain (or better yet, just in the street) Fuck it! convenient!

      Walk right past the checkout with a pocket full of artificial crab meat! Fuck it! It's convenient!

      See some nice 14 year old pussy, fuck it! It's convenient!

      None of that is WRONG or anything if it was done out of convenience.

    52. Re: What a load of BS by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      What did she actually accomplish at the state department that wasn't a failure other than jetting around the world? I understand she was strapped with Obama policy which i think handicapped her enormously but I cannot seem to find any successes from her tenure at the state.

    53. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an interesting prediction on this ... that Biden will step up to replace Hillary to be the anti-Sanders and anti-Clinton ... re-uniting the donkey party and giving a hell of a run to the elephants.

    54. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you may be misunderstanding the word "UNELECTABLE". It really just means that you won't vote for her. There are a mind numbingly large number of people who really just wish that people would stop making up all that bad stuff about Hillary.

    55. Re: What a load of BS by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      She's a confirmed liar. But you won't accept that will you?

      *sniff* I ... I can't believe it.

      Our li'l girl finally has become a real politician!

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    56. Re: What a load of BS by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      You REALLY think anyone who votes in the US gives half a shit about emails on her server?

      Let me phrase it that way: In this fucked up country, it would hurt her chances to become president more if she had given her janitor a blowjob than if she dumped more government secrets than any whistle blowers combined on Reddit.

      Unless of course said janitor was black.

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    57. Re: What a load of BS by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait, CLINTON is UNELECTABLE because she may or may not have sent emails from a personal server that though not top secret secure has no evidence anything was leaked - and have proven through the non-redacted bits that her means were ignorant of technology but her intent was just to get shit done.

      But TRUMP, who has openly contradicted almost every stance he has previously held, has insulted almost every class of citizen except "straight white Christian male" (debatable, since he has even made veiled references that anyone supporting him is a moron), and has even literally praised and kowtowed to the US's greatest rival, Vladimir Putin, is somehow ELECTABLE (let alone not a real traitor)?

      Cut the tidbits nobody gives a shit about. What matters: Did she fuck anyone but her husband, and did Trump get a blowjob when he shouldn't? That would have ten times the influence on the US voter than petty things like national secrets or foreign politics.

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    58. Re: What a load of BS by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Cute. You still act as if there was a difference between the two sides of The Party.

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    59. Re: What a load of BS by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Claiming that there is more than one party is already borderline hilarious.

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    60. Re:What a load of BS by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sure!

      What are you implying here?

      That politicians could maybe, under certain circumstances, once in a while, maybe be inclined to consider not saying anything but the full and absolute truth?

      That's unpossible!

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    61. Re: What a load of BS by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Bill Clinton was propelled to fandom by being able to skirt all those allegations. He used it to say they were afraid of him. He was even being accused of and sued for sexual harassment which actually helped him among his base and the stupidest portions of society.

      This is little more than trying to repeat that. Most of the "this is the nail in Bill Clinton coffin " news stories were started by proclinton sources supposedly concerned about his position. They were always overinflated and underperforming.

      All i can say is get used to it again. The only wrench now might be that the sjw crowd will not like a sexual oriented scandal and the millennials might not accept the constant hint of corruption. But this release is all by design.

    62. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to put your sarcasm detection goggles on...

    63. Re: What a load of BS by sumdumass · · Score: 0

      Netcraft died a long time ago. Turns out they were running BSD and all the BSD id dieing stories were actually pleads from the IT department for more resources but the management team was too high on bong farts to understand it.

    64. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, CLINTON is UNELECTABLE because she may or may not have sent emails from a personal server that though not top secret secure has no evidence anything was leaked - and have proven through the non-redacted bits that her means were ignorant of technology but her intent was just to get shit done.

      You do realize the State Dept has rules the CIO has put forth, one of which is no personal devices of any kind including servers. She went over this person to put this server in her home. Either she piggybacked off of govt servers using the state.gov domain, or she used an incredibly silly useless hillaryclintonstategov.com address which makes the naysayers argument moot. Except she was using state.gov. And so why should she only get laughed off when I have seen people get fired from the state department for not using their issued blackberry for communication?

      But hey I'm all for electing someone who decides who the rules work for and who they don't.

    65. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your comment Mr. Sanders

    66. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Clinton was propelled to fandom by being able to *skirt* all those allegations....

      I C wot U did there...!

      U R so clevar.

    67. Re: What a load of BS by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      That sounds like you estimate a very high chance that Clinton will either not be the Democratic nominee or that she will if she is the nominee lose the general election. Can you estimate your probabilities for those events?

    68. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Please explain Clinton's email instructing her subordinate to remove to classification markings from a document and then email it to her personal, unsecured email server.

    69. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, you have nothing.

    70. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's so blindingly obvious that Bernies campaign hasn't had to say anything about it.

    71. Re: What a load of BS by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      And how seriously the goverment seems concerned about the newspaper article can itself offer confirmation of details in the article, even if it never admits things directly.

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    72. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarian here... Just curious, why do real liberals go for Democrats? Other than a few outliers, arent they all bought and paid for and fascist (my way or jail) types? Why not vote for a Libertarian who is not part of the establishment false left/right paradigm?

    73. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would, and why would she lie? If anything, this points out who should be prosequited. And it's not Clinton. Wrong server sent email? Email should not be acted on. If it was, the receiver should be charged. If she received those emails, the sender should be charged. For sending to an open server. Everyone looking to zap the Clinton's, but its the others who are the bad actors.

    74. Re: What a load of BS by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      New York has always been where the Democrat national party sent their next big thing to issue them a senatorship on the road to the White House, e.g. Kennedy the Bostonian.

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    75. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All that matters is that it wasnt transmitted on an approved top secret government system. She broke the law!!!

    76. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even then it may not be classified... Unless the comments COMBINED with the article are classified.

      Just going "how about that?" is not classified, no matter WHO says it.

    77. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > remember that she directed at least one aide to circumvent classified channels by manually retyping classified information, stripping it of its classification markings,

      Uh no. She directed the aide to remove the classified parts of the document and the markings - because what remained was no longer classified - in order to be able to send it over unsecure channels. That is an utterly normal, if somewhat tedious process. Ever see a redacted classified document released through FOIA? That's exactly the same thing. It happens on a regular basis when unclassified information is generated on classified systems but needs to be available on unclassified systems.

      Although I don't know where you got the "retyping" part - declassification procedures rarely require re-typing, just certification by a subject matter expert that the edited document does not contain any classified information.

    78. Re: What a load of BS by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      If he gets the nomination, he'll be the next George McGovern.

      That might be true in a normal election year, but considering the GOP field, Sanders would almost certainly get elected. Either Trump or Cruz is the next Goldwater, no matter who the Democrats run.

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    79. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something can be classified without being marked classified. If the claims are correct that she directed an underling to remove classification markings before sending something via unclassified email, that is clearly criminal. (Her email about this just said to strip off the source information, which may or may not have indicated that the material was classified.)

    80. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how many "democrats" are ACs isn't it?

    81. Re: What a load of BS by jmac_the_man · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The State Department is running interference for their old boss.The Times got played on this story. (NPR probably knew what it was doing and is covering for the Clintons on purpose.)

      Hillary Clinton had Talent Keyhole satellite imagery classified higher than TOP SECRET on her secret email server. All actual Talent Keyhole images are codeword classified because revealing the images would reveal the capabilities of the Talent Keyhole satellite. This is confirmed by the FBI.

      Clinton also had highly classified HUMINT on her server. (Again, above Top Secret.) HUMINT is "Human Intelligence," in other words, intelligence gathered by a mole inside wherever but working for the US. The reason it was so highly classified is because its improper disclosure would put the source in danger. There was no security in place on the server (which was hacked by China and Russia.) Clinton very well may have gotten this source killed. (The FBI confirmed this part too.)

    82. Re: What a load of BS by kenh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, they're classified *now* after the fact but were not earlier. From what I know, and is noted in the article itself, this is not that uncommon.

      What a silly, non-sensual argument.

      Hillary Clinton, as a Harvard educated lawyer is not, simple-minded, and she knows ignorance of the law is no excuse.

      Hillary was taught, first as a Senator, then as Secretary of State, how to identify, mark, and handle classified information (classified means 'confidential', 'secret' or 'top secret' classification).

      Hillary was taught that material does not have to be marked with a classification to be secret/require special handling.

      Hillary knew that removing a classification marking from a document doesn't make the contents less secret.

      Hillary has turned over at least one email exchange in which she instructs an aide to print out material from the classified email system and send it to her insecure home server, the act of doing so is a breach of security protocols and a crime.

      As Secretary of State she refused to allow her official email from passing through secure gov't email servers - that is NOT the same as forwarding emails from your gov't email account to a private account, a practice frowned upon, but employed by many gov't workers, including past Secretaries of State.

      The argument Hillary supporters would have you believe is that every email sent or received on her server by her or her aides were not classified, that anyone could have read them at the time she got/sent them, but it is only with the passage of time that the information in these emails became secret, requiring classification and special handling.

      At it's simplest, the moment Hillary handed her attorney the flash drive containing the 55,000 pages of emails, some of which contained classified information, she committed a crime. General Patraeus showed secret documents to his mistress and was convicted of mis-handling state secrets. Hillary, in handing over state secrets to her lawyer committed the very same crime.

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    83. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's treating it with kid gloves because there's no reason for him to get into the mix about it now. The Republicans and media are doing more than enough to keep the issue in the forefront of voters' minds.

    84. Re: What a load of BS by jmac_the_man · · Score: 0

      Wait, CLINTON is UNELECTABLE because she may or may not have sent emails from a personal server that though not top secret secure has no evidence anything was leaked - and have proven through the non-redacted bits that her means were ignorant of technology but her intent was just to get shit done.

      Except for "Clinton is UNELECTABLE" everything in this paragraph is bullshit. If you can't understand what the problem is, you're a fundamentally stupid person. I hope you can't vote in this election.

    85. Re: What a load of BS by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      No, she's unelectable because what she did was criminal.

      OK Mr Smartass conservative, if what she did is criminal, then why have charges not been filed? The New York Times broke the story on March 2, 2015, and the physical server was given to the FBI in August 12, 2015. In all of that time, they have release no evidence.

      The FBI has leaked plenty of evidence. Also, supposedly there's an indictment coming.

    86. Re: What a load of BS by kenh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hillary, at least once, sent an email to an aide instructing the aide to copy and paste information from a secure source onto an insecure source and email it to her.

      Sounds like a crime.

      She handed a flash drive containing over 1,000 classified documents to her lawyer, someone not authorized to receive such information.

      Sounds like a crime.

      She hired individuals to review potentially classified information (her emails) to weed out yoga routines and granddaughter pics, but in the process these individuals read all the now classified emails.

      Sounds like a crime.

      It is not the marking on the document that makes the content secret, it is the content that defines the classification that should be affixed to it. As a Harvard educated lawyer she knows that - the classification markings argument is a very weak argument.

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    87. Re: What a load of BS by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      In New York, you could run a house plant on the election platform . . . and it would get elected.

      Proof:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    88. Re: What a load of BS by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      Without knowing what these e-mail contained I'm not going to jump to the conclusion Hilary Clinton was mailing the real world identities of th CIA's chief spies in the Kremlin to her friends in clear text.

      The FBI has leaked that there were Human Intelligence emails on her server that made it obvious who the source was, and if revealed to whoever they were spying on, it would put the source in danger.

    89. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get that you would vote for sanders in a heart beat, but if clinton wins the primaries are you saying you are going to vote for trump/cruz/rubio?

      Are you really sure they are not as "dirty as they come" too?

    90. Re: What a load of BS by voss · · Score: 1

      She doesnt have to "get her message out there", Trump doesnt have enough money to persuade democrats and independents to vote for him.
      He has a hard core support of 30% of the electorate while pretty much everyone else who isnt a hard core right wing type loathes him.
      As long as shes not indicted this is not a long term issue and the classified stuff wasnt classified when she sent it. Constitution? Ex post facto clause? anybody?

    91. Re: What a load of BS by voss · · Score: 1

      Why are there libertarians voting for Trump?

    92. Re: What a load of BS by voss · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If shes indicted expect Elizabeth Warren to jump into the race and then bernies campaign dies a quick death.

    93. Re: What a load of BS by NaCh0 · · Score: 1

      What the NYT and your NPR piece have failed to tell you is that some information such as satellite images are born classified. The secretary of state goes through training to know this.

      Saying that the information was not marked classified is a red herring because it's not the marking that makes info classified, it is the information itself.

      Even things you and I take for granted like our daily schedule are classified when you are a top official like the president, sec of state, defense, etc. That is how they prosecuted Petraeus.

    94. Re: What a load of BS by paiute · · Score: 1

      Either Trump or Cruz is the next Goldwater, no matter who the Democrats run.

      Goldwater was a conservative Southwestern Republican who ran against a conservative Southern Democrat. If Goldwater had been matched up against a Northern socialist atheist Democrat, he would have been elected rather easily.

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    95. Re: What a load of BS by paiute · · Score: 1

      The reason that this election is different (Sanders and Trump) is because people have seen through the BS on BOTH sides of the US Government.

      This election is not different. As a matter of fact, no votes have even been cast yet, so there is no 'election' to discuss. This campaign season seems different only if you have not paid attention to the last 50 year of American Presidential politics. There is always a sensational new candidate coming forward with a horde of passionate loud and often young supporters. Nader? Perot? Clean for Gene?

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    96. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wa it classified when she dealt with it? No.
      Your post is invalid.

    97. Re: What a load of BS by paiute · · Score: 1

      Claiming that there is more than one party is already borderline hilarious.

      And that, boys and girls, was how we got Supreme Court Jesus.

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    98. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sanders is killing the entire GOP in the polls and has overtook Hillary in many of them and neck and neck in the others and gaining ground fast. His lack of media attention is the only reason it isn't a clean sweep now.

      If he gets the nomination it would take an act of god or another voting scandal for him to lose the election at this point. The media keeps trying to say he can't win or won't win because his stated goals directly go against theirs, don't let what the talking heads on TV decide what you think, look at the facts and decide for yourself.

    99. Re: What a load of BS by UsuallyReasonable · · Score: 1

      At it's simplest, the moment Hillary handed her attorney the flash drive containing the 55,000 pages of emails, some of which contained classified information, she committed a crime.

      Sometimes, Ken, I have thought only I understood this. It's nice to know there are at least two of us.

    100. Re: What a load of BS by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      he has even made veiled references that anyone supporting him is a moron

      I'm going to take that as a good sign (call me desperate) that he's open about this; it's a welcome display of honesty (at least on one level) coming from a politician who's on the side of the aisle that typically preaches to rural illiterates. I certainly don't recall G.W. letting it slip that his "hillbilly act" was anything but; nearly all of you are still convinced to this day that he was just as much of a simple fool as the gullible hicks and senile retirees who elected him).

    101. Re:What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama will cover this up while in office to ensure his team isn't hurt in the election. Fuck Team R and fuck team D... what a farce.

    102. Re: What a load of BS by Straif · · Score: 1

      According to the law both the sender and receiver should be charged unless the receiver immediately reports the violation to the proper authorities.
      In Clinton's case she never reported it, in at least one case actually encouraged it, allowed the classified information to be stored off site in a non-secured location (her ISP) and then gave it to another person without security clearance (her lawyer). Even the process where she claimed to have removed her personal emails by having assistants go through ever email probably violated the law several times since some of this information was code word classified and would not be legally viewable by anyone not read in and in a secure room.

      All of those are direct violations of several laws.

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    103. Re: What a load of BS by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      If Goldwater had been matched up against a Northern socialist atheist Democrat, he would have been elected rather easily.

      There are no "Northern socialist atheist Democrats" running for president.

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    104. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only that: just sending the article can make it classified. Suppose I have classified information about the North Korean nuclear weapons program, and someone sends me an email asking for a good overview of the NK nuclear weapons program. That's a classified query about classified information. My response, even if it's just sending a link to the NYT article, is a classified response.

      ObDisclosure: I hold a U.S. security clearance. Posting anonymously for obvious reasons. The example I gave is straight out of (non-classified) briefing materials about how to take care of classified information.

    105. Re: What a load of BS by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Because her last name is Clinton, and the Clintons have been pulling the wool over the Democratic Party's eyes for 24 years through illegal savings and loan dealings, sexual misconduct, shady financial dealings, carpetbagging, lying to the people which still continue to vote for them, and now leaking secret information.

      You've asked the wrong question. You should be asking why people continue to believe anything that comes out of either of these people's mouths.

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    106. Re: What a load of BS by mjm1231 · · Score: 2

      Apparently, at least one of the emails was about a NY Times article about the US classified drone program. Hard to imagine why an email about an article in a public newspaper would be classified.

      If the person who sent the article from the public newspaper has classified knowledge and that person makes comments about the public newspaper article, then the e-mail has classified information.

      The comments made by a person with classified knowledge could contain classified information. But the person with classified knowledge also presumably knows some things which aren't classified. Whether the comments they made are classified or not would need to be determined on a case by case basis.
      (Personally, I think using a personal email server for official emails which even had the potential possibility of containing classified info is batshit stupid. But that doesn't justify jumping to conclusions.)

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    107. Re: What a load of BS by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      1. False equivalence. Just because Hilliary is unelectable doesn't mean that Trump is not also unelectable.
      2. Ignorance of the law is not a defense against breaking the law. And, she wasn't ignorant of the law anyway. Between her time as a Senator, and her time as a CABINET SECRETARY, I'm sure there was a session or two of training on how to properly handle classified secrets.
      3. Just because there is no evidence of a leak, doesn't mean that there wasn't a violation of the law when it comes to handling classified information. 18 USC 793 (f):

      Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

      Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

      Hillary's private mail server doesn't meet the definition of "proper place of custody".

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    108. Re: What a load of BS by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      What a load of garbage. There is no evidence.

      It doesn't matter if she's convicted, or even if she's guilty or not. the republican candidate will make sure that this is the only thing that people talk about, and she'll never get to have a conversation about why people should vote for her. it will dominate news and conversations, and suffocate her message.

    109. Re: What a load of BS by shawn2772 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that: just sending the article can make it classified. Suppose I have classified information about the North Korean nuclear weapons program, and someone sends me an email asking for a good overview of the NK nuclear weapons program. That's a classified query about classified information. My response, even if it's just sending a link to the NYT article, is a classified response.

      In that case, your decision to send the link in response to the query does actually provide information beyond the content of the article... specifically it indicates that, based on your classified knowledge, you consider the newspaper article to be correct, or at least sufficiently correct to be worth referencing.

    110. Re: What a load of BS by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing the President has legal immunity, or she'd be looking at jail time. Depending on how long the public cares about this, she might need to look at removing that term limit though.

    111. Re: What a load of BS by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      Libertarian here... Just curious, why do real liberals go for Democrats? Other than a few outliers, arent they all bought and paid for and fascist (my way or jail) types? Why not vote for a Libertarian who is not part of the establishment false left/right paradigm?

      Because liberals want to restrict economic freedom (for reasons they believe are good, obviously). That makes their beliefs incompatible with libertarianism, for precisely the same reason that conservative beliefs are incompatible with libertarianism, just around different topics.

    112. Re: What a load of BS by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      this is not a long term issue

      this is in no way true. according to google trends, the hillary email topic first spiked in March of last year. 11 months later, it's still making national headlines, even though there hasn't been any indictments or real news of any kind. there's only 8 more months until the election, and this will probably drag on way beyond this.

    113. Re: What a load of BS by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      Why are there libertarians voting for Trump?

      Are there? If so, they're either not very libertarian, or they haven't listened to him. Or maybe they're just looking to blow up the establishment in the hope that it will open a crack for libertarian candidates... and not thinking hard enough about the damage Trump would do.

    114. Re: What a load of BS by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Going to 112 countries on the taxpayer dime isn't an accomplishment, unless we are now considering stepping off of an Air Force jet an accomplishment.

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    115. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the President was charged for lying about having sexual relations. Don't give me this "she's so unchargable" bullshit argument because of her office or political status. The laws don't have "exception clauses" for important people, if the DA isn't pushing the case, odds are it is because it can't be won (no evidence, attempting to convict on laws not in place at the time, etc.).

    116. Re: What a load of BS by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      If Goldwater had been matched up against a Northern socialist atheist Democrat, he would have been elected rather easily.

      There are no "Northern socialist atheist Democrats" running for president.

      That's not an unreasonable description of Sanders. He's Jewish but has specifically said that he's not religious. Non-religious isn't the same thing as "atheist", but it's not that far off, especially if we take it to reference "weak" atheism, AKA agnosticism. Anyway, make it "Northern socialist Jewish Democrat" if you prefer.

      Personally, I hope paiute's comment is wrong for 2016, because I think Trump would be an unmitigated disaster for the country. I don't like socialism, but given a Trump/Sanders race I'd hold my nose and vote for Sanders without a moment's hesitation.

    117. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government over classifies routinely, and is very slow to reclassify. An email containing a public news article referencing drones was probably classified because the email contained the word dones and Benghazi and some person was afraid that someone might put two and two together and come up with something that could damage the USA. Of course, they have the same odds of doing that reading the article directly, but the government's mantra is "when in doubt classify". In fact, some of their guidelines merely state that if an document has been in the possession of a person who handles classified documents, it should be classified. That means that Hillary's junk mail is likely a candidate for classification too.

      That's probably why she wants the emails declassified. She wants people to stop playing on fears in the media that she was secretly running the Evil Overload World Association to Enslave the Human Race.

    118. Re: What a load of BS by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      Sanders is killing the entire GOP in the polls

      "Killing" is a bit of an overstatement, especially with the GOP primary vote being spit 11 ways vs the Democrats' three ways. Even with that difference Trump's numbers aren't that much lower than Sanders' (which terrifies me, but it is what it is).

    119. Re: What a load of BS by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      He's Jewish but has specifically said that he's not religious

      Maybe you need to look up the difference between being an "atheist" and being "not religious".

      They are not remotely the same thing.

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    120. Re: What a load of BS by shawn2772 · · Score: 2

      He's Jewish but has specifically said that he's not religious

      Maybe you need to look up the difference between being an "atheist" and being "not religious".

      They are not remotely the same thing.

      Nice selective quoting.

    121. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If snipers are shooting at you at the time, then yes. There a reason so many of us look up to her as the ultimate female to emulate.

    122. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. If there was even a single classified email, she would have already been charged.

    123. Re: What a load of BS by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      She's been very careful to say "marked classified". That leaves a very big hole of "Well this information SHOULD have been MARKED classified, but wasn't." That leaves a gaping hole where she could have read a bunch of classified documents, talked about shit IN those documents all day in emails she generated, but she never sent the actual documents where she learned that information. Information is marked classified by a classification authority, which it doesn't sound like she is.

      It's the difference been discussing the secret laser death satellite program in a Starbucks and leaving the documents describing that program there. Some of those conversations should not have taken place on the open internet, whether it was a private E-Mail server or one of Google's.

      Not that most people would understand the distinction unless they've been forced to sit through the classified documents handling training, which you HAVE to re-do every so often. So it very much still makes what she's saying pretty fucking weasely. I mean even if it didn't sound pretty fucking weasely if you've had to sit through that training. It sounds weasely to me because I know all the shit she's excluding and I can hear her have to remind herself to say those specific words, "*marked* classified," so she can claim she didn't lie whenever someone finds classified information on there. And she sounds weasely to regular people on the street because they don't understand the distinction between "marked classified" and "sensitive information that really should be marked classified."

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    124. Re: What a load of BS by schwit1 · · Score: 1

      Her disregard for THE LAW wasn’t casual. It was a conscious and involved scheme to avoid the Freedom of Information Act, and possibly also Obama Administration scrutiny of her actions. She put the nation as a whole at risk, along with individual lives of intelligence sources, for political reasons: to avoid accountability.

    125. Re: What a load of BS by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      Oh yes, they're very particular about that in the classified documents training program. If it's marked classified, it's still classified, even if it's public knowledge. You (the person taking the training) are not to read classified information unless you have a "need to know." You are not to read classified documents over your level of classification. If you suspect you have discovered or in possession of classified material, you are to secure that information and notify your security team at once.

      Given all that, they made an effort to make the point that so much as reading a news article about, say, the wikileaks... leaks... could put you in violation of this policy. So, for (totally hypothetical and made up) example, if the New York Times were going "har har har" about the leaked document discussing the dick pics the NSA intercepted that were being sent between W and Chancellor Angela Merkel and I read that, I'd have to stop reading and notify my security team of the article. I'm not aware of any specific consequence the paper would face over it. They didn't cover that bit. Also, although I don't work for those guys anymore, I still have to do that.

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    126. Re: What a load of BS by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      I shudder to think of classified information in TRUMs hands. Shit would be all over the evening news the day he got it. He has no control over what comes out of his TRUM hole. It just opens and he goes up 2 points in the polls.

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    127. Re: What a load of BS by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      the server (which was hacked by China and Russia.)

      How do we know this?

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    128. Re: What a load of BS by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

      And yet, it is business as usual to post hoc classify data already in the public domain.

      Regardless, had Hillary published the "classified" contents of said emails in a full page ad in a daily, it would have been more secure than had it been sitting in a government server.

      This whole non-story is a made up non-issue served up by hypocritical entities that want us to believe (for a brief moment) that government servers are secure like the uber machines in movie spy fictions (in contrast to Hillary's servers) while in fact those entities themselves have no faith in the gummint's ability to do anything well. Were it not for the opportunity to skewer Hillary, they would otherwise have lauded Hillary's selection of private enterprise services.

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    129. Re: What a load of BS by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

      By his mere existence he is an insult to every white male.
      To every male.
      To every white.
      To every human.

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    130. Re: What a load of BS by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Just going...

      The word you were looking for was "saying" ("going" means something altogether different). Yes, it's hard and no, it isn't easy; between gov't-run "education" and the idiot box, it's downright amazing that you guys manage as well as you do (yes, I realize that's not saying much...).

    131. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe they're just looking to blow up the establishment in the hope that it will open a crack for libertarian candidates...

      And it will be a giant crack if its a selection between Trump and Sanders. If Libertarians can't get any traction with this scenario, I give up.

    132. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a similar discussion thread over at that cesspool DemocraticUnderground. I'm seeing more support here at Slashdot for Clinton.

    133. Re: What a load of BS by Trickster+Paean · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry Ken. IAAL, I've had to deal with classified information and with unclassified information that may possibly deserve classification. Reading the statutes (mainly 18 USC 793 et seq.) concerning crimes on handling classified information, merely handing a flash drive containing emails to a lawyer does not constitute a crime.

      Let's break the first half of 18 U.S.C. 793(d) down into the elements a prosecutor would need to prove:
      1. That a person having lawful possession, access, control over, or being entrusted with
      2. Any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense
      3. Which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation
      4. Willfully
      5. communicates, delivers, transmits, or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted
      6. to any person not entitled to receive it.

      For the sake of argument, let's assume that Secretary Clinton had lawful possession and the necessary clearances for whatever information was determined to be classified, and that it qualifies as a writing so satisfied the second element. Let us also assume that Secretary Clinton's lawyer does not have a security clearance (because that is an assumption, as we don't know what clearances her lawyer holds), so that the sixth element is satisfied. Let's also leave out my arguments against whether handing a flash drive to your lawyer constitutes delivery, transmission, or communication under the statute.

      A prosecutor would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Secretary Clinton knew, or had reason to know that the information in those emails was classified or should have been classified. That's a lot harder when the material is not already marked. But even then, we do not know why the information in the emails was classified, or if Secretary Clinton has reason to believe that the information would not be harmful to the US or helpful to a foreign nation, which is the actual requirement in the statute.

      Additionally, there's a mens rea requirement of willfulness in the statute, meaning that Secretary Clinton would need to act "intentionally and purposely and with the intent to do something the law forbids" (see Bryan v. US, 524 U.S. 184 (1998)). To prove that, a prosecutor would need to prove that by handing unclassified material (with possibly classified information) to her attorney that she intended to break the law, and not because she wanted her attorney to give her advice, deliver the information to the proper officials, etc.

      Let's contrast this with General Patraeus. He knowingly and willfully violated the law when he showed classified information to his mistress. He knew he wasn't supposed to do it. He did it anyway. He meets all the requirements of the statute. He had access to classified information, he had the material, he knew it could be harmful, he knew that his mistress was not entitled to the information, he showed it to her, and he knew that doing so was against the law and did it anyway.

      I hope this shows why merely handing a flash drive containing information (that may be classified) to your lawyer does not constitute a crime under the applicable statute, and why when Secretary Clinton handed the flash drive to her lawyer, it wasn't a crime.

    134. Re: What a load of BS by Zorak30 · · Score: 1

      When people, like you, focus on the small aspects of this case you miss the fact that this never would have happened if she simply used her government e-mail address like every other federal employee who works for the federal government does. When I work for a school district all my e-mail can be FOIA'ed and my "privacy" is gone. The people running our country should not be under different rules. That is how you get a hypocrisy.

    135. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If shes indicted expect Elizabeth Warren to jump into the race and then bernies campaign dies a quick death.

      She'll get the fake Indian vote for sure.

    136. Re:What a load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      The Republicans do not control any organization with the authority to arrest anyone for a crime of this nature.
      In addition, the Intelligence Community Inspector General, who was appointed by Obama and is a lifelong Democrat, has stated that some of Hillary's emails contained classified material.

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    137. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think this makes her unelectable!?!?! You vastly overestimate the willingness of the left to allow a Republican victory. If she gets the Dem nomination, there's no way left-wing voters will vote right-wing just because of Hillary.

    138. Re: What a load of BS by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      The people running our country should not be under different rules. That is how you get a hypocrisy.

      Agreed, except sometimes the hypocrisy comes first.

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    139. Re: What a load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      According to the Intelligence Community Inspector General, an Obama appointee who was confirmed while the Democrats controlled the Senate and is a lifelong Democrat, some of the emails contained information that is classified above top secret just because it was obtained by the government through Special Access Programs. That is, the email contained information that was classified as above top secret from the moment the government obtained it.

      As to why an email about an NYT article would be classified. If that article was about a program which the White House, and the rest of the Administration, was still officially denying (and my understanding is that such was the case here) including it in an email is an admission of its truth (unless the email specifically called it out as false, which, again, my understanding is that the email did the opposite). Hillary Clinton did NOT have the authority to decide that something declared classified elsewhere was not actually classified.

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    140. Re: What a load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Except that the Intelligence Community Inspector General has already affirmatively declared that some of the emails WERE classified when they were sent because they contained information that was classified by the fact of where that information came from. It was information that did NOT require anyone to decide it was classified and mark it as classified. It came from a source which made it classified by the nature of that source (and the emails apparently contained references to that source).

      Further, the State Department has just declared that some of Hillary's emails contain information so sensitive that they cannot be released even now (I am not exactly sure how that happens, since the enemies of the U.S. already have them).

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    141. Re: What a load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      You miss one important point. At the time Hillary handed those emails over to her lawyer, she was no longer Secretary of State. At that point she no longer had lawful possession of an awful lot of those emails (when someone steps down from a position like Secretary of State they are legally obligated to turn over any top secret documents which they possess by virtue of holding that position).

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    142. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because classified information is published publicly does not declassify it. Surfing public websites publishing leaked info would qualify as a classified data spill and would get govt employees' computers wiped. Crazy, but true.

    143. Re: What a load of BS by blackanvil · · Score: 1

      Too late to make the primaries for Warren in most states, so unless she wants the VP slot, she's not even in the running.

    144. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because none of it was classified when she sent it. It really isn't that hard to understand.

    145. Re: What a load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, that's not fair. Everything I have read suggests that it was she who championed overthrowing the stable government in Libya, which was run by a dictator who, while not friendly to the U.S., had become cooperative with U.S. initiatives in order to avoid suffering the fate of Saddam Hussein. By doing this she was able to send the message to would be dictators that cooperating with the U.S. was no way to ensure a long and healthy life AND sow chaos and turmoil in North Africa. How is that not a success?

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    146. Re: What a load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I take it you are expecting Obama to be assassinated before the election? The only reason Goldwater lost to Johnson was because of people's reaction to JFK's assassination. If JFK had not been assassinated, he would have been running for re-election and I have no idea who the Republican nominee would have been. How JFK's re-election would have gone is anybody's guess (unlike today, in 1963 the Presidential campaign had not yet begun in any way when JFK was assassinated).

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    147. Re: What a load of BS by Ramze · · Score: 1

      I don't know about this. Clearly, she directed an aide to strip the classified header off of something, but that was AFTER the aide tried to send it multiple times through other approved channels (secure fax). We don't know whether it was actually done or even if the header was appropriate to begin with. If anything, this shows that the correct way to send it was attempted several times before resorting to this measure -- so, it wasn't that stripping the header and sending it unsecurely was the status quo -- at least at that point from the aide's perspective.

      I don't condone that in any way, but it alone doesn't sound like a pattern of intentional malfeasance. I do agree that the personal control of the server was intended to dodge FOIA requests and perhaps severely hinder and possibly circumvent the Federal Records Act and National Archives regulations. It's still to be determined if she knowingly sent or received classified info via the personal e-mail server. As for whether or not it was more secure on her system or the government's system... well.. the government's system WAS hacked -- so, arguably, classified info might have been more secure on her personal server than the government's. Regardless, if it was KNOWINGLY stored on her personal system, it would be a violation.

      Keep in mind that often things that are not classified get stamped as classified to go through certain channels b/c those channels are ONLY for classified documents. (like say... a secure fax or internal e-mail system) It's possible the info was not of a classified nature to begin with. It's anecdotal, but interviews from govt officials privy to such things have stated their superiors would ask for info via a certain system that is only for classified info, so they gave that info a classified heading just to send it the way their superior preferred, not because it was actually classified. The govt has multiple systems for relaying different levels of info and apparently many are lazy and just want everything sent via the highest security classified system.... or they like that it has more restricted access and makes them feel superior, etc.

    148. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Charges not been filed because she was the Secretary of State AND a former First Lady.

      If only this were a land of pink ponies and unicorns and the corruption at play was that simple.

      Should there have been charges filed against members of the government for the PRISM program?

    149. Re: What a load of BS by Trickster+Paean · · Score: 1

      I didn't miss that point at all. Let's say that all her clearances have lapsed, which would put her under 18 USC 793(e) as an unauthorized person. The same knowledge and willfulness requirements exist there as well. Secretary Clinton would have to know that the information was harmful to the US or helpful to a foreign nation, and that handing the drive to her lawyer was violating the law. The exact same arguments apply there as well.

      As for retention of any documents, the same knowledge and willfulness requirements apply there too, and there too, she has the same arguments to make.

      There is not an easy case to make against Secretary Clinton on mishandling classified information with regards to her emails, certainly not under the facts as they are known at this point. If I was a prosecutor, I wouldn't try such a case, because I would lose.

    150. Re: What a load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      So, basically, your argument is that Hillary is not a criminal. She is just incompetent.

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    151. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a democrat and that's not some partisan attack. She's a corporate whore. Her donor list is a who's who of the banking, insurance industry and big-Pharma elite. Why on earth is she even considered to represent the people's party?

      My money is on the answer involving her nuanced views on prostitution.

    152. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only one that will profit from this is Bernie Sanders.

      That sounds reactionary and not well thought out.

      So far he hasn't been touching the email issue, probably because it's contaminated.

      Contaminated with what exactly? My feelings are that the mainstream journalists are contaminated with something that prevents them from asking Sanders why in 2016 with the stats at 44-0, he feels he is better suited to lead the country than any alternate woman politician he could support instead. I suspect the true answer involves some sort of trickery.

    153. Re: What a load of BS by Alypius · · Score: 1

      this shows that the correct way to send it was attempted several times before resorting to this measure

      I know what you're saying, but that doesn't make it okay. If she had said something more along the lines of "Understand you're having issues...send what you can via nonsecure," (meaning "just send me the unclassified stuff") then that's a different story. She didn't. She told her aide to deliberately remove all classification markings, which is an illegal order by itself. We do only have the one email to go by and after seeing her in action in the 90's, I freely admit my bias in being more inclined to believe the worst. YMMV.

      When stuff is classified, it's marked not only on the top and bottom of documents (and in email headers) but every paragraph in the document starts with marking to further identify what's classified (called "portion marking"). You'd see a "(S)" for Secret for example, so when she says to remove the markings, she's not talking about just an email header.

      It's still to be determined if she knowingly sent or received classified info via the personal e-mail server.

      I'm leaning toward disagree (again, biased) because at the SCI level, you're briefed as to exactly what is classified. I find it incredibly hard to believe that she would see SCI stuff and not recognize it or at least be curious enough to ask the question. She is not a newbie bureaucrat; she sat on the Senate Armed Services committee as well as the Subcommittee for Emerging Threats and Capabilities. That is sensitive stuff and she knows better.

      the government's system WAS hacked

      Only on the unclassified network, not SIPR or JWICS (classified networks). It's an important distinction because SIPR and JWICS have more protection than the unclassified side.

      superiors would ask for info via a certain system that is only for classified info, so they gave that info a classified heading just to send it the way their superior preferred, not because it was actually classified.

      Yup. I do this all the time. Network classification means that it's rated UP TO that classification and goes back to my comment about portion marking; a Secret document can (and usually does) have unclassified or Confidential information in it along with the Secret. There's nothing wrong with this, as long as the information is equal to or less than the rating of the system. I hope that answers your questions!

    154. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, she's unelectable because what she did was criminal.

      Hate to break it to you kid, but we are all criminals. Selective enforcement of the law is a real thing. So is organized crime that operates above the law. So is the television show Knight Rider. And you know as well as I do that Hillary becoming the first non-male POTUS is all but a done deal and this is all circus.

    155. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I think using a personal email server for official emails which even had the potential possibility of containing classified info is batshit stupid.

      I think with a slightly greater frequency than I've seen, people ought to be reminded of

      a) the general timeline of adoption of email technology, and it's relation to Hillary's timeline in the whitehouse and elsewhere in government

      b) the general timeline of adoption of email security technology (i submit to the gmail/snowden overlord)

      To read a statement like yours, without acutely focusing on the context of those things, will I think lead to a non-optimal conclusion.

    156. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because most of the "Libertarian" candidates with any chance of winning are really just conservatives who want to spend less money on the military than their fellow conservatives (see: Rand Paul).

      Also, though they may not all realize it, the true "liberal" ideal is something closer to Democratic socialism, which in many ways is the polar opposite of Libertarianism. Instead of "everyone for themselves" they generally believe "it's the moral responsibility of society and government to help out those in need", even if it costs those at the top of the society a bit more.

      Not that I disagree with many of the criticisms of Hilary. And Bill Clinton and Obama (both of whom I agree with on many issues) are just as responsible as Bush for the current income inequality and lawlessness of Wall Street. Personally I think Sanders is the only one who gives a shit about personal liberty/privacy and actually fixing the source of much of the racial and political divisiveness in the US - income inequality and the fact that "white collar" criminals are let off with a slap on the hand (or less) while stealing millions, while blue collar criminals are blamed for all of society's ills.

      Though I am willing to compromise on the candidate most likely to beat whatever nutbag ends up winning the shitshow that is the Republican primary.

    157. Re: What a load of BS by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      You should visit the US some time, it might help you move beyond the cartoon view of it.

      Yes, there are actual voters that care about the email issue. The number isn't all of them, but it is probably closer to all of them than to zero.

      The race baiting is tedious and misguided. In the US the Left is the faction that cares about race and racial politics. Do you think they will object?

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    158. Re: What a load of BS by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Because liberals want to restrict economic freedom (for reasons they believe are good, obviously).

      I would say the "restriction of economic freedom" is more a result than a goal. The goal that's most incompatible with libertarianism is that liberals believe the government should have a central role in providing for social welfare, health, etc of its citizens, while libertarians believe it's none of the government's business.

    159. Re: What a load of BS by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Claiming that there aren't two parties in the US with different policy preferences is obtuse.

      The votes to pass Obamacare were Democrat votes, not Republican votes.

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    160. Re: What a load of BS by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

      But TRUMP...is somehow ELECTABLE (let alone not a real traitor)?

      Finally, someone who isn't using fake accounts to spam Slashdot with anti-Democratic Party crap.

      There isn't a single "electable" Republican running right now. So the question is, which Democrat is going to be the President? The only part of this election that's in question will be settled by the Democratic Party primaries.

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    161. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary Clinton, as a Harvard educated lawyer is not, simple-minded, and she knows ignorance of the law is no excuse.

      Something about mensrea. The good engineering answer is always "it depends". Ignorance of the law can be a very good excuse in some situations, thing is, "it depends".

    162. Re: What a load of BS by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

      I don't know anyone who is actually excited about the prospect of hillary being president.

      I'm excited about the prospect of Bernie winning. If not him, then I'll be relieved when Hillary wins. Anyone at all is a better candidate than any one of the Republican clowns.

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    163. Re: What a load of BS by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

      he hasn't been touching the email issue, probably because it's contaminated.

      He's treating her with kid gloves, because he wants something from her.

      -jcr

      You mean that Sanders would be vice president. The alternative to that - I don't want to go there, too much lemonparty association.

      No, he wants her to be his vice president, and that only makes sense if he doesn't sully her too much prior to his nomination.

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    164. Re: What a load of BS by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

      If shes indicted expect Elizabeth Warren to jump into the race and then bernies campaign dies a quick death.

      Sorry, no. She has made it clear she's not interested. Plus she's WAY too effective in Congress, and President Sanders is going to need all the help he can get in that branch.

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    165. Re: What a load of BS by Dahamma · · Score: 0

      Really? So people can't make their own mind up? Or is every one of the supposed 40% of Republicans polled that supports him a member of the media?

      I agree the amount of media coverage Trump gets is absurd, but by saying his success is due to that, you are basically saying even in politics "there is no such thing as bad publicity." The media has been pretty clear in reporting all of the lies, personal attacks, contradictions, and horrible, racist things he's said, and it has actually ENERGIZED his racist Republican base. Hence, they just don't care about the crap.

      What's even more amazing is how, even though it has also been covered repeatedly, none of the "pro Trump" people seem to acknowledge or care that in the past - and sometimes even in the past couple years - he has stated he is absolutely pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-universal healthcare, pro-immigration, and pro-Clinton. Now after declaring himself a Republican candidate, somehow his believe on all of these things changed 180 degrees? Really??

    166. Re: What a load of BS by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Well, for just one example, it's pretty obvious Trump has had repeated dealings with the mafia. Even the conservative sites are calling him out on it:

      http://thefederalist.com/2015/...

      When asked about people who he has known for years and even been seen with, he feigns ignorance and says he "can't remember". Really? Someone with a self-professed "perfect memory" and "genius level IQ" can't remember someone they have had dinner with a half dozen times?

    167. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hilary is basically unelectable over this issue. who ever the republican nominee is (begins with TRUM) will hammer her daily about this, drown out all the news cycles, and she'll never be able to get her message out there.

      how can trump really use an issue like this to attack anyone? he's not exactly a "carefully follow procedures and policy" kind of guy, and has no experience working with classified documents.

      one of the congressman up there maybe, but not trump.

    168. Re: What a load of BS by ganjadude · · Score: 1
      read the wording you bolded carefully.

      none of the emails had been marked at any level of classification at the time they were sent through Mrs. Clinton’s computer server.

      they say it wasnt marked, but they ever say whether or not it SHOULD have been marked?

      also, someone in her position should know whats classified and whats not, and if its even questionable, treat is as such

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    169. Re: What a load of BS by Trickster+Paean · · Score: 1

      Not at all. My argument was that even if all that has been said was true, it wasn't criminal.

      What Secretary Clinton did was give potentially classified information to her attorney, a person who had the necessary security clearances from the State Department to receive the flash drive and view the information if it was classified. What she did there was neither criminal, nor incompetent

      People going around saying that giving her attorney a flash drive with her emails was a crime are wrong, misleading, ignorant, and incompetent.

    170. Re: What a load of BS by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I doubt that he would like that. There are probably better alternatives that may even be appealing to the more moderate republican voters.

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    171. Re: What a load of BS by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      Once again, the FBI has leaked this.

    172. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except snipers never shot at her. Even she admits this. Is she still the "ultimate female"?

    173. Re: What a load of BS by Trickster+Paean · · Score: 1

      Secretary Clinton has stated in at least one interview that when she asked her aides to strip the headings, she meant for them to send only the unclassified information. While something like that is suspicious, I'm sure that it was followed up on by the appropriate investigators, and the fact that no one has been indicted means that whatever was done in that instance was not enough to charge anyone.

    174. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary Clinton breaking the law is like Linday Lohan getting another DUI - we've come to expect it.

    175. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. Fuck it. If it's convenient, regardless of the law, the right thing to do, or damages something or someone else, if it's convenient do it!

      It's not just "the law", it's a complicated bureaucratic mess. There are a thousand nuanced ways classified information can be (and are daily) mishandled, and quite frankly, most of you are completely ignorant of it, not by accident.

      Classified documents are not just created at the beginning of time, and carefully handled by some priesthood for all eternity. They are constantly being created (from where, classified brains?), duplicated, disseminated, shared, rewritten, etc., in physical and electronic forms. It's COMPLICATED, and everything above secret even more so.

      The US government knows how to deal with it because this bureaucracy IS THEIR business. I'm no Hilary fan, but this really isn't a good topic for the court of public opinion.

    176. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, at least one of the emails was about a NY Times article about the US classified drone program. Hard to imagine why an email about an article in a public newspaper would be classified.

      If the person who sent the article from the public newspaper has classified knowledge and that person makes comments about the public newspaper article, then the e-mail has classified information.

      It has shit to do with comments, publishing classified information in a newspaper does not declassify anything.

    177. Re: What a load of BS by Trickster+Paean · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a crime, and being a crime are different things.
      Secretary Clinton instructed an aide to send unclassified information from a secure source through insecure channels. Not a crime.
      Secretary Clinton handed a flash drive containing classified information to her lawyer, a person who had the appropriate clearances through the State Department. Not a crime.
      Secretary Clinton's attorney, the one with the security clearance, reviewed the emails to weed out the personal email from those obligated to be saved for government records purposes. Not a crime.
      So no... doesn't sound like a crime to me. It just sounds like you're wrong.

    178. Re: What a load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Except that when Hillary Clinton gave them to her lawyer, she was no longer Secretary of State. As such, she was no longer legally in possession of those emails. Further, considering that the Intelligence Community Inspector General had to get special clearance in order to read some of her emails it seems improbable that her private lawyer had sufficient security clearances to do so.

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    179. Re: What a load of BS by Trickster+Paean · · Score: 1

      Secretary Clinton's lawyer had security clearances through the State Department, and was the person who reviewed the emails for Clinton. So no law was violated there.

      As to whether storing the email would support a charge, the statute requires gross negligence in handling or storing the information. Having the computers be guarded by the Secret Service alongside presidential servers doesn't meet a gross negligence standard. So the law wasn't violated there either.

      So no direct violation of laws here.

    180. Re: What a load of BS by Trickster+Paean · · Score: 1

      Just because Secretary Clinton was no longer Secretary of State does not mean all her security clearances were revoked. Even if they were, it is not a crime to be an unauthorized person in possession of classified information, and she did not commit a crime by having the emails in her possession.

      As to it seeming improbable that her lawyer had sufficient security clearance, his security clearances were held by the State Department, so I'm sure they gave him whatever was required to do the job he had to do to ensure the former Secretary of State's compliance with the Federal Records Act. As to the IC IG having to get special clearance, I'm sure that happened because the initial scope of his need to know was less. It is one thing to review material that has not been classified, but once it is determined to be classified, that's another matter.

    181. Re: What a load of BS by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      No, I think there's a high chance that she could win both. But, it depends if/when she gets indicted, and who the Reps put up against her. So, maybe the work "unelectable" was a poor choice. I think there's a high chance that unless the Obama Justice Dept. succumbs to political pressure, they'll be indicting her in the not too distant future. And, that's one thing that could derail her whole campaign depending upon the timing.

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    182. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NYT and NPR, I thought you were serious for a moment. Good one.

    183. Re: What a load of BS by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      She worked very hard for [sic] us. She's a beautiful person that has done so much for women...

      Helping improve our economy by selling influence, contributing to charity by giving away military secrets. She's helped the mirror industry by cracking so many of them.She's done so much for women by defending rapists and attacking the women her husband abused.

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    184. Re: What a load of BS by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      You haven't bothered to read any analytical polls. Trump's support doesn't come from the "far right". It comes from people aghast at the nation's accelerating dive into self-destruction, and doesn't have a party distinction.

      Two far right sources, Glenn Beck and National Review, oppose Trump; Beck thinks Trump is the turning point into a 1930s' Germany type disaster. High visibility right wing supporters of Trump tend to be emotionalists like Michael Savage.

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    185. Re: What a load of BS by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      Typical of careless (or biased) people, you are calling "racist" something better assigned to a different word such as nationalist, isolationist, or nativist. Opposing Muslims or Mexicans isn't racist; neither of those terms is a race or correlates strongly with a race. Furthermore, he hasn't so much attacked those groups as attacked their illegal presence in the U.S., with emphasis on the criminals among them.

      The blindness of Trump's fans that you point out is appalling.

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    186. Re: What a load of BS by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, liberals' restriction of financial freedom is a means, not an end. Mostly. It's worth noting that conservatives' desire to restrict social freedom is similarly a means to an end. Mostly.

    187. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the same for every demo member including the current president, they are all paid for by the same big boys. As an Australian I really hope you elect Bernie, I think the whole entire world hopes you elect Bernie. There is rarely ever a candidate that comes across with his honesty and intregrity and even rarer in a time when it is most needed to help save millions of lives.

    188. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here are the 4 things that must happen in 2016:
      Trump MUST be elected
      The Republicans MUST keep the house
      The Republicans MUST keep the senate
      Hillary MUST go to the nastiest prison in the federal system.

    189. Re: What a load of BS by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Secretary Clinton has stated in at least one interview that when she asked her aides to strip the headings, she meant for them to send only the unclassified information. While something like that is suspicious, I'm sure that it was followed up on by the appropriate investigators, and the fact that no one has been indicted means that whatever was done in that instance was not enough to charge anyone.

      Anyone who has ever handled classified information knows better. The sanitization process is not just "strip the headings and obviously classified stuff". You have to be much more thorough.

      Consider the following:

      (TS//SI//DONTFKNSHARE) __ indicates the DPRK is suffering severe famine and ___ is plotting a coup.

      (U) ___ is widely believed second in line for the throne

      (U) Korea has not had a serious coup attempt since the last widescale famine in...

      A bit of a dramatization, but if anyone in the military or intelligence communities pulled this shit they would be rotting in prison.

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    190. Re: What a load of BS by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Except that, by law, Hillary was supposed to turn the classified information in when she stepped down as Secretary of State.

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    191. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just sayin'.

    192. Re: What a load of BS by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      conservatives' desire to restrict social freedom

      Restricting "social welfare/opportunity", sure: lower taxes are the goal, reduced social programs are the result.

      When restricting "social freedoms" (abortion, gay marriage, civil rights, religion in schools, etc) it's much more about personal beliefs and the government's role in applying those beliefs universally.

    193. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LMAO. I can't/won't speak to the Trump accusations because well...I can't nor do I care...but there is no 'may or may not have sent e-mails from a personal server'...that's 100% FACT...beyond that there is only the question of whether or not they contained classified information it doesn't matter 1 IOTA whether or not there was any leak...that's the whole point of classifying information to begin with you idiot. So let me refresh your memory as to what we know:

      1) Clinton set up a personal e-mail server to use for work (um...does anyone with any power to do this not actually know this is 100% wrong?)
      2) She sent & received classified information
      3) We now know she sent & received TOP SECRET information!
      4) She is an idiot or at least clearly thinks the electorate is by claiming she had no clue how all this 'fancy technology really works'! RIIGGHHTT. This is a woman who has a law degree from Harvard remember? She is NOT dumb!

      The fact that Trump is an even bigger idiot does not in any way suggest that Clinton isn't or is 'electable'...though I don't really wish this on the American people at this point they almost deserve it...Clinton vs Trump...this will be the funniest ass Presidential election in history (by funniest I actually mean 'sorriest' as there will be 0 substantive discussions or debates...it will all be about who is the worse human being).

    194. Re: What a load of BS by Dahamma · · Score: 0

      Opposing Muslims or Mexicans isn't racist; neither of those terms is a race or correlates strongly with a race.

      I suppose the proper term is "bigoted", but the distinction is fairly pointless in this case. The irony of your comment is most of the people who are supporting Trump's bigoted opinions don't make a distinction between Muslims and "brown people/arabs" or Mexicans and "latinos". For ample evidence of this see the many examples of random hatred and violence being perpetrated on Indians, Sikhs, and anyone else who "looks the part".

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      Trying to pedantically argue this is not technically "racism" as it's against a religion serves no useful purpose. And in fact, it's pretty strong evidence that your statement "neither of these terms correlates strongly with a race" is blatantly false, as these people are being targeted because they "look like Muslims". Which doesn't seem to make sense, but that isn't stopping them as there is clearly correlation in their minds.

      he hasn't so much attacked those groups as attacked their illegal presence in the U.S

      I'm pretty sure his suggestion that ALL MUSLIM AMERICANS might be required to register their religion with the government and carry id cards is attacking that group specifically, and has absolutely nothing to do with illegal presence or criminality.

    195. Re: What a load of BS by Trickster+Paean · · Score: 1

      What law are you referring to? There is no law that said that Secretary Clinton, or anyone else, must turn in classified information. There are laws that pertain to classified documents, and laws that pertain to documents containing classified information. The emails were not classified documents, so those laws don't apply. So only the laws dealing with documents containing classified information would apply.

      There is a big difference between possessing classified information and possessing classified documents. Anyone (even foreign spies!) can possess classified information without violating the law. Most people can possess classified documents without violating the law (sorry foreign spies, under almost all circumstances it's a crime for you, don't do it). There is no requirement in the law to turn in classified information.

      As to the requirements concerning documents containing classified information, Secretary Clinton satisfied those laws when she gave her emails to the government. (See 18 U.S.C 1924).

    196. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vince Foster ring a bell? She has withheld evidence openly and people are ignorant towards it. Wake up and kick the Hillary habit.
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    197. Re: What a load of BS by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      The woman has so much baggage, I don't see how anyone could consider voting for her. Among all the reporting on Hillary, I'm amused that women my age generally want to vote for her, but younger women are not. They resent the fact that they are expected to vote for a vagina.

      Personally, I don't much care about voting for a woman. I neither like nor dislike the idea. What I demand is, that they find a woman who is QAULIFIED to be president. That may be an unreasonable demand though - it's been years since we've had a man who was qualified.

      I will insist, however, that most small towns and every large city in American has at least one female resident who is more qualified than Hillary to be president. The very big cities can probably claim several dozen women each who are more qualified.

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    198. Re: What a load of BS by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter what was "leaked". Mishandling classified documents is punishable by imprisonment. The bitch knew that from the very start. She was breifed on proper handling of classified documents. She just ASSumed that due to her title, she was above the law.

      Fuck, man, she lived in the White House for 8 years. Just how stupid can she be, to not understand? She KNEW!

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    199. Re: What a load of BS by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      None of your comment is relevant to the issue. There are procedures for having material declassified. Until those materials ARE declassified, they remain classified.

      People go to prison for mishandling classified materials. They don't have to be leaked. There need not be any detrimental consequences of the mishandling. Failure to observe protocol is sufficient to be tried and convicted.

      And, the woman who lived in the White House for 8 years knows all of this. Only a vegetative idiot could possibly live in the White House for 8 years, and fail to understand how classifications work. The bitch needs to reside in the deepest dungeons of a federal prison for a few years.

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    200. Re: What a load of BS by jcr · · Score: 1

      What's your next guess, you tragically obvious Hillary campaign minion?

      Read and learn.

      -jcr

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    201. Re: What a load of BS by jcr · · Score: 1

      I can think of worse labels to get.

      You seem to have missed the fact that "George McGovern" means "loser".

      -jcr

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    202. Re: What a load of BS by jcr · · Score: 1

      Either Trump or Cruz is the next Goldwater,

      That's highly disrespectful to Goldwater, who was a man of principle.

      -jcr

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    203. Re: What a load of BS by jcr · · Score: 1

      The only reason Goldwater lost to Johnson was because of people's reaction to JFK's assassination.

      That, and the extremely effective scare campaign that the left-wing propaganda machine mounted to convince the public that Goldwater would start a nuclear war. Pierre Salinger was a scumbag.

      -jcr

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    204. Re: What a load of BS by theophilosophilus · · Score: 1

      You have bought the "not marked" lie Clinton hoped would confuse uninformed people. General Petreus pled guilty to disclosing unmarked handwritten notes of meetings to his mistress. "Marking " is irrelevant. Knowing or being on notice is sufficient. Hillary's only real defense is "I didn't know". But that defense hurts her because it demonstrates utter incompetence so she hasn't been using it.

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    205. Re: What a load of BS by joeboomer628 · · Score: 1

      Just to clear things up, the article was not a comparison of candidates, it was merely pointing out the criminality of one candidate. The only candidate that has been forthcoming about his bad or criminal behavior is Dr Carson. Integrity is not a quality shared by a large percentage of politicians.

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    206. Re: What a load of BS by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      The very big cities can probably claim several dozen women each who are more qualified.

      so basically, hillary isn't quite one-in-a-million, but is definitely one-in-a-hundred-thousand?

    207. Re: What a load of BS by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Uhhhhh - one in a million, maybe, but she isn't the one in a million that she wishes she were. I really have no way to determine how rare female criminals of her caliber are.

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    208. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So no, even a lifelong Democrat like me won't vote for her. I just can't do it. I gotta call 'em as I see 'em, and she's dirty, as dirty as they come.

      Thank you, it's refreshing to see a Democrat finally concede that Hillary Clinton is no better than the Republicans whom she trashes every day. In fact, she's worse because she lies about who her friends are and who she really works for. The Republicans like to screw the middle class too, but at least you know where you stand with them. They don't claim to be liberal or progressive while stabbing the working poor in the back. Incidentally, that's also why I like Bernie Sanders, even though I'm conservative and don't agree with him much. Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist and he doesn't make any bones about it. You may not like the man's positions, but you don't have to wonder who is he and what he will do if he gets elected, unlike Clinton who has more heads than a hydra and changes her spots in real time like a chameleon on a disco dance floor. Bottom line Clinton is fake. Clinton is not genuine. Clinton lies. You cannot trust Clinton unless your pocketbook is the biggest and even then you have to keep one eye on her. If they're smart, the Democrats will choose Bernie. A vote for Hillary is a vote against the rule of law and for the sort of personality cult that has ruined many countries throughout history.

    209. Re: What a load of BS by Zorak30 · · Score: 1

      I agree. It would be nice if people would stop making excuses for them. *Looks at you.*

    210. Re: What a load of BS by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      When restricting "social freedoms" (abortion, gay marriage, civil rights, religion in schools, etc) it's much more about personal beliefs and the government's role in applying those beliefs universally.

      I don't think so. I think it's more about trying to maintain a culture that they feel is positive and safe. It's not about forcing others to live a certain way so much as it is about not having to deal with what they see as the consequences to them of others living in different ways.

      The restrictions are still a means, not the end.

    211. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Benghazi. Benghazi. Benghazi. I win.

    212. Re: What a load of BS by KenHansen · · Score: 1

      Apparently, at least one of the emails was about a NY Times article about the US classified drone program. Hard to imagine why an email about an article in a public newspaper would be classified.

      'Hard to imagine'? You aren't even trying. The NY Times prints an article speculating about a 'classified drone program' and one of Hillary's underlings sends her an email saying something like 'Who leaked this?' or 'How did they find out about this?' A link to a speculative report, plus a few more words from an assistant turns it into a confirmation of a 'classified drone program.' Your problem is, I might suggest, you are letting Hillary and her team exclusively inform your opinion, without any common sense challenges to her claims. Was it really 'easier' to set up her own private email server, rather than have Dept. of State technicians do all the work? Can she, as Secretary of State and a Harvard-educated lawyer, plead ignorance of the laws she affirmed she understood on her first day in office? And how, exactly, does information 'become' classified years after it is sent? The failure to maintain classification markings is inherent in her having a private server - the metadata that marks content classified (confidential, secrecy or top secret) can not be maintained when outside the secure email server. It is literally impossible to send classified info from the secure email system to her private server - all such emails had to be copy-and-pasted into an insecure email account and sent to her private email server - that act alone is a crime, a crime made necessary by her refusal to access secure email systems. Her underlings will be prosecuted, at the VERY least.

    213. Re: What a load of BS by KenHansen · · Score: 1

      Secretary Clinton instructed an aide to send unclassified information from a secure source through insecure channels. Not a crime.

      Define, in the legal sense, 'conspiracy'... She conspired with coworkers to mishandle state secrets/secure documents. Sounds like a crime, because it is a crime.

    214. Re: What a load of BS by KenHansen · · Score: 1

      Secretary Clinton's lawyer had security clearances through the State Department, and was the person who reviewed the emails for Clinton. So no law was violated there.

      There are emails in the archive she provided that the FBI agents investigating this case don't have clearance to see, her lawyer has 'a' security clearance, he does not have the highest clearance level needed for all her emails. Who reviewed her emails, to weed out the yoga routines? Was it someone with the highest security clearances possible (just in case they read a high-level email by mistake), or was it a few friends of Hillary's? Did her lawyer really read 55,000 pages of emails personally? No one helped? And in a first, the DOJ provided her lawyer with a secure safe to house the emails, finding the lawyers own security woefully inadequate. DOJ should have taken immediate possession of the archive and all known copies immediately.

    215. Re: What a load of BS by KenHansen · · Score: 1

      She's been very careful to say "marked classified".

      A meaningless distinction, legally - but one designed to rally support amongst voters inclined to agree with her. It would be technically impossible for documents marked classified on a secure server to retain those markings once they enter an insecure server. Classified information travels in a distinct, separate email system that lacks access to insecure email servers - you can't send a secure document to pantsuit@clintonemail.com from the secure servers.

    216. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a silly, non-sensual argument.

      OK, what the hell is a sensual argument? my mind is literally boggling
      I also never expected the word 'Sensual' to appear in any discussion of Hillary Clinton

    217. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are a bit wet behind the ears. Before you try to rewrite history, go look at Iran-Contra during the Regan administration. Someone was caught deleting emails, but they were still on the backups. The government has had email systems for awhile.

    218. Re: What a load of BS by KenHansen · · Score: 1
      First off, thank you for your extremely informative response - I appreciate it. But I have a couple points I think we're glossed-over in your analysis:

      A prosecutor would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Secretary Clinton knew, or had reason to know that the information in those emails was classified or should have been classified.

      Hillary claimed to either personally (or caused her agent(s) to review each email on flash drive before she handed the flash drive to her lawyer. It would be very, very hard to argue ignorance of the contents of the drive, IMHO. Hillary was required, as Secretary of State, to positively affirm she fully-understood what information is 'classified' irregardless of any markings (for instance, correspondence with a foreign leader, satellite imagery, documents detailing the identities of agents, etc.). Hillary had no legal rights to retain copies of all her official emails once she left office - she was supposed to have signed a form to that effect (that she turned over all official correspondence, work products, etc.) when she left office.

    219. Re: What a load of BS by KenHansen · · Score: 1

      (Personally, I think using a personal email server for official emails which even had the potential possibility of containing classified info is batshit stupid. But that doesn't justify jumping to conclusions.)

      OK, I'll bite... Rather than jump to conclusions, let's take a critical look at her claims: "I was allowed to do it." A claim totally unsupported by any law currently on the books. "Didn't do anything previous Secretary's of State didn't also do." Except they didn't - her claim is believable only if you think bypassing State Department emails is exactly the same as having emails that were sent to State Department email servers forwarded to a personal account - it isn't. "I was so busy I didn't have time to think about what email I was going to use." Right, it was easier to hire an outside contractor, but your own server, and put it in your bathroom than simply use a state department email server with taxpayer-funded 24 hour support and the highest levels of security. "I never sent nor received anything marked classified." That sounds like a good counter-argument, until you realize that it is technically impossible to send an email marked classified to an insecure server - once information is cut and pasted out of a secure environment to an insecure one (as we know Hillary directed at least one staffer to do) it loses it's confidential marking... Don't leap to conclusions, but honestly consider her non-sensicsl claims.

    220. Re: What a load of BS by KenHansen · · Score: 1

      Further, the State Department has just declared that some of Hillary's emails contain information so sensitive that they cannot be released even now

      Think about that - we have seen emails where selected words/passages are redacted... We have seen emails where sender/recipient identies are redacted... But the seven email threads from her insecure server are so sensitive we can't even know WHO she corresponded, let alone even a single word contained in those emails. If only we could have seen those emails when she first got them, before they evolved Into classified emails!

    221. Re: What a load of BS by kenh · · Score: 1

      That's probably why she wants the emails declassified. She wants people to stop playing on fears in the media that she was secretly running the Evil Overload World Association to Enslave the Human Race.

      If you want to believe Hillary, fine - but you have to believe everything she said on this topic:

      There were no classified emails on her server
      She has a copy of every mail that was on her server
      She claims she wants the emails made public

      Then why didn't she simply turn over the 55,000 pages to the public? (Because maybe there was a confidential email somewhere in there?)

      Why did she turn over her emails as 30,000 discreet PDFs, rather than as a copy of the server backup? (Because the mail server backup might contain traces of her yoga routines and private emails?)

      She claims to want the emails released ASAP, knowing full well a full review would take nearly a year to complete. She gets to look 'transparent' and can say anything she wants while the FBI plows through 30,000 emails, then, when the truth comes out she can talk about partisan investigators and a 'vast right-wing conspiracy'...

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    222. Re: What a load of BS by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      1. False equivalence. Just because Hilliary is unelectable doesn't mean that Trump is not also unelectable.

      That brings up an interesting question. What happens when two unelectable people are running against each other? Is it like the classic "irresistible force" vs the "immovable object"?

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    223. Re: What a load of BS by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      No, not really. According to this NY Times article, and reports I heard on NPR earlier:

      The State Department said it had “upgraded” the classification of the emails at the request of the nation’s intelligence agencies. Mr. Kirby said that none of the emails had been marked at any level of classification at the time they were sent through Mrs. Clinton’s computer server.

      So, they're classified *now* after the fact but were not earlier. From what I know, and is noted in the article itself, this is not that uncommon. Furthermore:

      No. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. It is not clear from the quote you provided that they were not classified earlier. You made that part up; it is fiction.

      From that quote, it is clear that they were not "marked at any level of classification" earlier, but that has no bearing on whether or not they were classified. It is entirely possible for classified documents to not be "marked at any level of classification". Simply stripping the classification markings from classified documents has no bearing on their classification.

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    224. Re: What a load of BS by paiute · · Score: 1

      Maybe you need to look up the difference between being an "atheist" and being "not religious".

      They are not remotely the same thing.

      To many voters representing lots of electoral votes, they are exactly the same thing.

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    225. Re: What a load of BS by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      One would hope that at least the Hillary thing is solved by the time the DNC convention rolls around, and if none of the candidates have the requisite delegate votes for the nomination, the delegates switch allegiance on the second ballot and nominate someone that isn't a felon.

      As for the RNC, we can only hope that starting with the Iowa Caucus tonight, sanity prevails, and Trump starts losing elections. Not that Ted Cruz is much better, but at least he won't turn the Oval Office into the set of a reality TV show.

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    226. Re: What a load of BS by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You know, my own telepathy helmet doesn't get intent data nearly that well. Could you give me a few pointers on the calibration?

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    227. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude: the issue here is that someone who wants to run our country and was, at the time, 5th or 6th line for the presidency (don't recall the exact order) deliberately and intentionally conspired to completely ignore the rules for managing confidential data. She did it on purpose!!! Not accidentally, just just once or twice as a matter of convienience; she did it for the specific intentional purpose of hiding her communications from legal discovery. Even if she didn't have secret data, which she did, the unbelievable contempt that displays for our democracy should be an immediate disqualification for being hte president.

    228. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have semi-seriously attempted this argument 60 days ago but no longer. There have been multiple, and let me repeat again for clarity: multiple, instances of email discovered that were classified from the start, some at the highest classification rating. Go find another excuse.

    229. Re: What a load of BS by steveg · · Score: 1

      Much ado about nothing.

      Or more to the point, what everybody seems to be OMGing about is a stupid issue.

      If *anybody* sent classified material via email, that's a big deal. Email is a fucking postcard. It doesn't matter in the least whether it was on a private server or a server in the heart of the NSA. Unless the parties involved used good encryption to send the message, the crime is in using email in the first place.

      And if they did use good encryption, then the choice of server is a relatively minor issue again.

      So if you want to be outraged, be outraged that *anybody* in government is using email. Who gives a shit if it was on a private server or not?

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    230. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its not unheard of for stuff to be reclassified at a different level after the fact, in either direction.
      If you'd ever actually dealt with the stuff you'd know that.

    231. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try asking your local friendly LEO or District Attorney. The whole mens rea thing isn't that complicated.

    232. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're thinking of the CIA, and no they didn't.
      in fact, they said the opposite.

      CIA: Trey Gowdy Altered Documents To Frame Hillary Clinton

      The CIA stated that the information was not sensitive, and no redactions were needed.

      Gowdy himself added redactions to the emails he released, and then acted like he was protecting sensitive information in order to make it look like Clinton had released information that was sensitive, when in fact she had not.

    233. Re: What a load of BS by dywolf · · Score: 1

      so far nothing you have said on this topic is true.
      you've said nothing but hearsay and "well I say it's so, so its so".
      nothing you have said has been confirmed by the FBI.

      No, there was no humint (and using the acronym doesn't make you look smart).
      No, no one has likely been likely been killed, no the FBI did not confirm that.

      and in fact the CIA has even publicly rebuked Gowdy for implying there was by redacting documents himself even after he was told they weren't sensitive.

      (you also seem to continually confuse the FBI with the CIA)

      in short: you are completely talking out of your ass making up BS as you go

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    234. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is called stretching the facts to match a preconceived conclusion.

    235. Re: What a load of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your example is a good one, but not germaine to Hillary Clinton's situation.

      She didn't make any responses to the NYT article. She didn't confirm it to anyone. She received it in her email.

      If somebody made an inquiry and Hillary or another person in the know furnished them with the article as a reference, that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

      But that's not what happened.

  2. She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is yet another irrational attack by the Republicans.

    1. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're getting desperate and grasping at straws.

    2. Re:She testified there weren't any by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      and politicians never lie?

    3. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you confused as to what party she us in?

    4. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. There is no evidence. If there was, it would have been released long ago.

    5. Re:She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funny, I missed the part where Obama became a Republican?

    6. Re: She testified there weren't any by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately it's not how it works - if the evidence is classified it's hard to release it.

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    7. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like he thinks she's one of those Republicans. Maybe he doesn't pay attention to politics.

    8. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has been doing everything they tell him to the past seven years, so yes he is.

    9. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have nothing. If they did, they would have released already.

    10. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the Republicans *demanded* that 0bama nominate Kagan and Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.

    11. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately it's not how it works - if the evidence is classified it's hard to release it.

      So we're just supposed to trust these Republicans when they claim she did something wrong? That isn't how things work in the US. You are innocent until proven guilty. There is no evidence against her, or the Repubicans would have already released it.

    12. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the Republicans say to trust them when they claim there is evidence.

      It's ridiculous. This isn't Constitutionally legal. You have to present evidence to be charged with a crime, and they have presented no evidence. Clinton has produced evidence that she did not when she released the server months ago. No evidence whatsoever has been released that even hints that she did something wrong. None. This is just a GOP witchhunt.

    13. Re:She testified there weren't any by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      This is yet another irrational attack by the Republicans.

      The statement came from the Obama State Dept. Which Republicans are you referring to there?

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    14. Re: She testified there weren't any by dcw3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately it's not how it works - if the evidence is classified it's hard to release it.

      So we're just supposed to trust these Republicans when they claim she did something wrong? That isn't how things work in the US. You are innocent until proven guilty. There is no evidence against her, or the Repubicans would have already released it.

      It's her old office (you know, the Obama State Dept.) that is slow rolling out the emails. But only because they were forced to. Otherwise we probably wouldn't have seen any of this for decades.

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    15. Re: She testified there weren't any by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      They have nothing. If they did, they would have released already.

      Hillary? Is that you?

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    16. Re: She testified there weren't any by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Clearly, you're one of her campaign workers or we wouldn't be seeing so many AC posts coming to her defense.

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    17. Re: She testified there weren't any by Alypius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, it's not the Republicans investigating, it's the FBI, and Director Comey is one of the most non-partisan guys around (he threatened to resign if Bush continued his domestic spying program).

    18. Re:She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is yet another irrational attack by the Republicans.

      The statement came from the Obama State Dept. Which Republicans are you referring to there?

      Which is controlled by the Republicans. You just know those people would arrest her if they could find a single shred of evidence. There is none. She has confirmed several times that she did nothing wrong.

    19. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > slow rolling out the emails.

      Oh please. Now you're proving yourself a liar. She gave them the server. They've had it for months, and they have found nothing on it. If they did, then how do you explain the fact she has not even been charged? They had the emails, and there is no damn evidence of wrongdoing. Nothing.

      You Republicans really are grasping at straws.

    20. Re:She testified there weren't any by Alypius · · Score: 1

      Which is controlled by the Republicans.

      The State Department is controlled by Republicans? Put down the bong, step away from the keyboard, and let the grownups talk.

    21. Re: She testified there weren't any by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      If they wanted to minimize the blow to her, they would roll it out in one big swoop. That way it would be a story for a few days and then be over (aside from the occasional snarky comment). Rolling it out slowly means that it will pop up many times during her presidential campaign. If anything it looks like her old office really, really wants her to fail.

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    22. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But those republicans won't give up because they don't have anything else.

    23. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. The republicans are making Obama do this slowly.

    24. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Straws is all they have.

    25. Re: She testified there weren't any by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Maybe. Slow rolling is a good term for it - when damaging information comes out in dribs and drabs like this usually it means whoever is doing the leaking is trying to keep it in the headlines. From what I can tell they gave her enough rope to hang herself on this one, making sure she had an opportunity to try to lie her way out of it and then releasing proof she's lying.

      At this point Obama pretty much has to support an indictment. He'll look crooked otherwise.

    26. Re: She testified there weren't any by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      He has been doing everything they tell him to the past seven years, so yes he is.

      He's been doing anything ANYBODY tells him for the past seven years.

      That gives me an idea.... [runs off to write a letter]

    27. Re:She testified there weren't any by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And her husband didn't have sex with that intern.

      I'm pretty sure she's, just like him, technically saying the truth, depending on some definition of "there being some".

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    28. Re: She testified there weren't any by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Wait, you think only one side of The Party has the liars? C'mon.

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    29. Re: She testified there weren't any by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      After years and years of various three-letter-agencies playing that game you should finally get used to it!

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    30. Re:She testified there weren't any by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Does that suddenly matter? They're replaceable figureheads, don't act like it matters which one says what.

      It's also by no means limited to that side of The Party, the one called Democrats is at least as filled with muppets.

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    31. Re: She testified there weren't any by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      In this story there's enough straws to build an army of strawmen.

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    32. Re: She testified there weren't any by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      "I did not have sex..." , wait, that's the wrong Clinton.

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    33. Re: She testified there weren't any by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Assuming the FBI is a Republican tool.

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    34. Re: She testified there weren't any by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      A GOP witch hunt orchestrated by the democrats? In case you failed to read the article, it is about Obama making the claim not republicans.

    35. Re:She testified there weren't any by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I assume you are a Hillary supporter, or at least a Democrat.

      What about her, aside from the "it's time" novelty of her gender, do you feel is so great about her? Clinton presidency terms 3 and 4? Is hanging off her popular husband's coat tails a worthy example of a woman grasping for power, especially when devoid of any real political personality (viz Sanders, Trump, Christie, wanna have a boring personality faceoff vs. Cruz maybe?)

      She's even boring under the usual politician model of being skilled at getting supporters to project they'll fulfill your political fantasies. Except for one thing.

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    36. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Sure looks like the Republican are the ones pushing this. They found 7 emails chains out of how many? 7. FFS all of Congress is probably guilty of this. This is literally a case of nothing being there, but let's waste taxpayer money anyways.

    37. Re:She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is yet another irrational attack by the Republicans.

      Awwwww, isn't the Clintonite shill just adorbs!

    38. Re: She testified there weren't any by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      The Republicans court the Christian Right by claiming to support the Christian cause. Despite years where they held all three houses, abortion is still legal in the USA.

    39. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bagdad Bob come out of retirement!

    40. Re: She testified there weren't any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He [Barack Obama] has been doing everything they tell him to the past seven years, so yes he is.

      Bwahahahahahahahaaaaa....

      And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the intellectual level of the typical Liberal. Wow. You can't make this crap up.

      Dude, really, I'm pretty sure it's the Space-Aliens that ate Hillary's brain (it was an appetizer) that are the ones really calling the shots... oh yeah, you bet.

    41. Re: She testified there weren't any by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

      It's her old office (you know, the Obama State Dept.) that is slow rolling out the emails. But only because they were forced to. Otherwise we probably wouldn't have seen any of this for decades.

      They should have done it like the Bush administration -- they routed their emails through a private email server controlled by Karl Rove so they could all be deleted once an investigation started.

      Obama, what a rookie.

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    42. Re: She testified there weren't any by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I have no doubt that Rove should have done time for his actions. I don't play sides when it comes to this shit.

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  3. Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "The American People are sick and tired of hearing about [her] damn emails."

    I'm not voting for her in the primaries, and she probably did fuck up w/operational security big-time. I don't think it was with malice-- I'm sure it is not anything beyond the usual hyprocritical fuckery from high up national security and diplomatic executives (didn't Clapper or someone just get their email hacked by a high schooler? guess so).

    The real scandal in this arena is her simultaneous misinformed condemnation of Snowden, not this email "bombshell" three days before the first caucus. Seriously, who gives a shit? There are important issues like who does and doesn't get massive financial support from wall street to complain about.

    1. Re:Allow me to quote... by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not voting for her in the primaries, and she probably did fuck up w/operational security big-time. I don't think it was with malice

      Doesn't matter. Carelessness with Secret information is a federal felony. These "Special Access" documents are "above Top Secret", and likely contained names of covert sources - that is, when this server was hacked by foreign intelligence services, this carelessness caused deaths. That's why it's a felony.

      But there is evidence of malice - there is an email instructing a subordinate to strip off the classified header from a document and "send it insecure".

      There are important issues like who does and doesn't get massive financial support from wall street to complain about.

      Off topic, but Hillary's top lifetime donors have been investment banks and our friends the cable companies. That is the legal donors. The FBI is also investigating Hillary for illegal contributions to the Clinton fund.

      We'll know the truth of all of this when it goes to trial, or we'll know we're in a banana republic if it doesn't. In either case, this isn't some trivial issue - people likely died behind this.

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    2. Re:Allow me to quote... by readin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To me the problem isn't so much the legality - regulations can be a huge pain and how can you remember them all while trying to conduct diplomacy in a complex world? What bothers me is the lack of judgement. Even if she tried to keep classified stuff off the server and did a pretty good job - she's the Secreatary of State. Nearly everything that is emailed to her is something an enemy might be interested in. She agrees to go to lunch with Joe from accounting again? Joe seems to have her ear he would be a great guy to gain influence over to get him to influence her policies and gain information.

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    3. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not voting for her in the primaries, and she probably did fuck up w/operational security big-time. I don't think it was with malice

      Doesn't matter. Carelessness with Secret information is a federal felony. These "Special Access" documents are "above Top Secret", and likely contained names of covert sources - that is, when this server was hacked by foreign intelligence services, this carelessness caused deaths. That's why it's a felony.

      But there is evidence of malice - there is an email instructing a subordinate to strip off the classified header from a document and "send it insecure".

      ... what evidence of malice? Who got killed as a direct result of these emails being sent? I'm not privy to this top secret information nor are the rest of us so why don't you enlighten us? ... or will that violate your top level security clearance? Then again your use of the word 'likely' indicates that you are just another internet troll spouting his own suppositions and politically tainted conspiracy theories as fact.

      There are important issues like who does and doesn't get massive financial support from wall street to complain about.

      Off topic, but Hillary's top lifetime donors have been investment banks and our friends the cable companies. That is the legal donors. The FBI is also investigating Hillary for illegal contributions to the Clinton fund.

      We'll know the truth of all of this when it goes to trial, or we'll know we're in a banana republic if it doesn't. In either case, this isn't some trivial issue - people likely died behind this.

      Hilary clinton and most of the politicians in the USA, democrat or Republican they are all crooked. This has been going on since the establishment of the republic. Tell us something we don't know.

    4. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but there's a pattern: not seeing the forest for the trees.

      With the private email server,, she was so focused on playing political games with the Republicans (trying to prevent them from FOI'ing her emails and using them against her in her planned presidential campaign) that she lost sight of both the need for operational security and the need for an informed public. In the short term, there may have been information that needed to be kept secret in order protect American lives. In the longer term, her emails as Secretary of State should have been preserved as public historical record.

      With Snowden, she is so worried about embarrassing revelations hurting her political career that she has totally lost sight of the 4th amendment.

      Hillary gets so caught up in the trivial politics that she loses sight of the fundamental principles of good government.

    5. Re:Allow me to quote... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      The real news would be if someone as a high-profile candidate didn't get any support at all from Wall Street.

      But that news wouldn't be shocking so we don't see it.

      The two major political parties in the US are great targets for lobbyists and corruption. It's better to subvert party members that will work in the administration rather than the top figures.

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    6. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter. Carelessness with Secret information is a federal felony. These "Special Access" documents are "above Top Secret", and likely contained names of covert sources - that is, when this server was hacked by foreign intelligence services, this carelessness caused deaths. That's why it's a felony.

      But there is evidence of malice - there is an email instructing a subordinate to strip off the classified header from a document and "send it insecure".

      Special Access is just that, Special Access. Yes, there might be a further background check, but as far as levels go, top secret is the high one, as far as I know. There is no double top secret or anything like that. The rest is just made up trolling, unless you can provide actual evidence from ideally more than one reputable source. The only way of confirming if a server was hacked is to hope you can get enough forensic data to prove it, well unless you capture the hackers machine and can use that as proof. Wild guesses that it must have been are not proof. Politics enters everything, particularly once you get enough government agencies involved. Some reviewing might know that they are likely to get a promotion from their superior if the results match the results they know their superiors want, so they may interpret the rules in ways that favors the outcome they are looking for.

      All that being said, I want all people that had access to classified government information, and especially any that have used the email thing to bash Hillary subject to the exact same scrutiny. Take every single piece of communication on any government accounts and of course all their private accounts and run it through the same lens.

      If we as a country are going to spend so much effort on a witch hunt, we might as well level the playing field. Of course, once you've got everyone with a security clearance quaking in their boots in fear of accidentally screwing up, you might actually have to raise their salaries, but I doubt it.

    7. Re:Allow me to quote... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It's kind of a problem with working in the government. Things that can get you fired elsewhere get you in jail.

      Run your own mail server with lousy security? At work, it might get you fired.
      Same thing with Terry Childs.....at another job, he would have been fired. Working for the government, he was put in jail.

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    8. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who got killed? When was it hacked? In all the reports of the email scandal, I hadn't heard that it got hacked. As for trial, how many times do you want to see the Clintons put on trial and found not guilty? I've lost count. And the taxpayer cost for these witch hunts is insane.

    9. Re:Allow me to quote... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... what evidence of malice?

      The e-mail from Clinton telling a subordinate to strip off classified headers and "send it insecure".

      That malice.

      Who got killed as a direct result of these emails being sent?

      No one has to die for it to be an offense that sends you to prison.

      Hilary clinton and most of the politicians in the USA, democrat or Republican they are all crooked.

      I don't get the sense that either Bernie Sanders nor Donald Trump are crooked politicians. Trump isn't one (even if he is a walking ego trip) and Sanders strikes me as different.

      Ron Paul is probably the same, but he has no chance so it doesn't matter.

    10. Re:Allow me to quote... by Alypius · · Score: 1

      TS is the highest level of classification. SCI (aka Codeword) and SAP provide critical control measures for classified material; it's not a classification in and of itself. Please don't call it trolling when you have no idea what you're talking about. Also, we mere mortals with clearances, particularly those with SCI access, routinely quake in our boots because if we screw up, we *will* go to jail.

    11. Re:Allow me to quote... by Alypius · · Score: 1

      Who got killed? When was it hacked?

      Quite irrelevant. Federal law is pretty specific on the handling of classified information and people dying is not required to be charged. Remember, the server IS the smoking gun.

    12. Re:Allow me to quote... by tsotha · · Score: 1

      The e-mail from Clinton telling a subordinate to strip off classified headers and "send it insecure".

      That malice.

      It's also, in and of itself, a felony.

    13. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > this isn't some trivial issue
      The amazing thing to me is that many Americans apparently are able to convince themselves that Hillary is a saint descended from the heavens, and she would never do anything wrong.
      They conveniently forget every single scandal she has been involved with, and they write them all off as not serious, or not real.
      If it was one scandal, maybe two, I would agree.
      But she has a laundry list of these things.

    14. Re:Allow me to quote... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What? There's more important shit about the presidential candidates? Did she give her gardener a blowjob? Did Trump get a hairpiece made from the hair of oppressed women?

      We need to know! These things are important and need to be made known to the voters so they can base their decision on relevant information!

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    15. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite was when a common method of laundering money to politicians was used. A stock house makes a bunch of trades, then at the end of the day, when records are due, writes down the politician's name on the profitable ones. This day, Hillary had something like 32 of 35 trades profitable, a success rate the Wall Street Journal declared neither they nor God had ever seen the likes of.

    16. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TS is the highest level of classification. SCI (aka Codeword) and SAP provide critical control measures for classified material; it's not a classification in and of itself. Please don't call it trolling when you have no idea what you're talking about. Also, we mere mortals with clearances, particularly those with SCI access, routinely quake in our boots because if we screw up, we *will* go to jail.

      Actually I do know what I'm talking about, but you can go ahead and make statements like people quaking in their boots if they screw up. In the real world, people do screw up. Not often mind you, but it does happen. I've never heard of any employee going to jail. Enough screw ups and your clearance is likely toast, along with your employment. Deliberately releasing information is another matter.

      Pay is nothing special. A clearance may open up a door that might not otherwise have been open, but that is it. It implies nothing else. Hell, it is not even really job security, though it may help a little, since at least your competing from a smaller set of workers. That really is all you get for accepting all that responsibility along with the possible punishments. A company will still flush you if they think they can replace you with a new college grad and save money.

    17. Re:Allow me to quote... by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      It wasn't classified when she dealt with it. Why do you spread false info? Are you a paid shill? Maybe your account should be removed.

    18. Re:Allow me to quote... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      No one cares. She's Hillary and it's all just a big neo-con conspiracy to deny us the greatest woman ever. She's Mother Teresa and Eleanor Roosevelt rolled into one.

    19. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's been calling for the release of the emails. Knowing a bit about the over classification system we have in the USA, I wonder if the emails really contain much. Remember that the Benghazi Senate hearing was the investigating committee that brought this email server to light, and in their Senate hearing (an obvious attempt to publicly shame her) they came off as a group that didn't have their act together. They basically wrapped up the meeting with a weak implication that she might have gone home to a clandestine lover.

      If there was really a smoking gun of something that was illegally done prior to it being made illegal, she'd be charged. The email server was up between 2008 and 2014 and the law making it illegal was passed in 2014. I'm willing to go out on a limb and claim that they don't have enough evidence to bring it before a Judge, so they'll just keep trying it in the public eye in a hope it will tank her Presidential race.

      We saw this before. It's basically the whole "brither" attack, except this time she can't even vindicate herself because someone has marked her emails top secret. By the way, the reasons for making something top secret can be as benign as "they were with other top secret stuff", but again they might actually contain damaging information. Knowing that they are State secrets doesn't really tell us anything. As head of the State department, I'd hope that she worked with State secrets.

    20. Re:Allow me to quote... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul is probably the same, but he has no chance so it doesn't matter.

      Yeah, especially since he retired.

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    21. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Maybe your account should be removed.

      Ban lgw because he/she said something you don't agree with. I think Ryanrule is a SJW.

    22. Re:Allow me to quote... by readin · · Score: 1

      She no longer has the job so she can't be fired. But her poor judgement should disqualify her from further positions requiring access to top secret information.

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    23. Re:Allow me to quote... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. It'll probably turn out that she was running a reverse sting operation... in essence, delivering tainted intelligence to American enemies on the order of Churchill's feigned ambivalence toward cracking enigma.

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    24. Re:Allow me to quote... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      I'm not certain you're correct, but I do get the general feeling that it won't matter to her supporters any more than Trump's people are laying awake nights wondering if they're supporting an egomaniacal geriatric with Tourette's syndrome.

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    25. Re:Allow me to quote... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      She no longer has the job so she can't be fired.

      That would be the end of it in the civilian world (at worst, she would face a civil lawsuit for revealing trade secrets).
      Since she was working for the government, she might end up a convict.

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    26. Re: Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bam......congratulations genius, you now have your very own analyst from the PLA assigned to you.
      The first rule of fightclub.........

    27. Re:Allow me to quote... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Yeah, especially since he retired.

      I can understand. Ron Paul and his supporters left me tired and retired again long ago. ;D

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    28. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and likely contained names of covert sources

      Well O.K., because you say so...

    29. Re: Allow me to quote... by Alypius · · Score: 1

      Pfft. We've been sending each other Christmas cards for the last ten years.

    30. Re:Allow me to quote... by CryoKeen · · Score: 1

      how did people die from this? or likely anyway?

    31. Re: Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bam......congratulations genius, you now have your very own analyst from the PLA assigned to you.
      The first rule of fightclub.........

      The PLA (Chinese) ALREADY KNOW THAT.

      Who the hell do you think made off with the entire OPM database of cleared personnel - and their relatives and contacts? From what I've heard, OPM had contract admins with full access working remotely. At least one from mainland China...

      And people who want to put the same US government that did that in charge of their health care are complaining about NSA surveillance??!?!?!

    32. Re:Allow me to quote... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      well being that RON paul is not running yeah he has no chance.

      his son on the other hand RAND.....

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    33. Re:Allow me to quote... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      it wasnt marked as classified

      big difference

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    34. Re:Allow me to quote... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Yea, you know what I meant... I'm old, now get off my lawn! :)

      The son doesn't have a chance either. :)

    35. Re:Allow me to quote... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      sadly looks that way (the only one i would vote for)

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    36. Re:Allow me to quote... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Foreign governments have been hacking us pretty aggressively, including getting all the dirt on everyone who applied for secret clearance (where you list everything you could be blackmailed for). It seems quite likely they'd have read email on an unsecured server for anyone high profile, since that's so much easier (and let's not kid ourselves that Hillary is the only one doing this!).

      The SAP documents include names of "NOC agents" - actual moles in foreign governments and whatnot. That's not the only kind of SAP documents, but it's a common reason for a doc to limit access so strictly. You die when you get outed.

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    37. Re:Allow me to quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, the server IS the smoking gun.

      So, in the absence of bodycount consequences, this is more important to you than her being the first to correct the 44-0 statistical gender imbalance in the office of the president of the united states?

      Also, remember that before the server smoking gun, there was Cablegate. Ironic that Hillary facilitated the sexual political persecution of Julian Assange, but understandable with all those UN folks reasonably pissed off about having their fingerprints and credit card numbers swiped by the government that drones reuters journalists to bits.

  4. She lives in pretend land by slashmydots · · Score: 1, Informative

    I swear, Clinton lives in her own little reality. Her husband was impeached. She was caught lying soooooo many times. People generally don't like and distrust her. She got caught in like a dozen scandals. Now she's in the middle of possible federal charges and she's running for president! In fact, she got endorsed by Planned Parenthood and even their turbo-liberal base started lashing out at her and them. On what planet does she think she's going to win the election? The fact that she's still running is incontrovertible proof of mental illness and I don't think that's a great qualification for president of the USA.

    Hillary for Prison 2016!

    1. Re:She lives in pretend land by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Informative

      She was caught lying soooooo many times.

      If you actually bothered to look into the DETAILS, usually it's right-wing spin. Often it's gray areas where if you don't like her, you won't give her the benefit of the doubt and vice-versa. Politics biases people.

      As far as the "Bosnian sniper" issue, it's possible she mixed up two different events in her mind. I've done it also. Human memory is an odd thing. Fortunately I'm a nobody such that my mistakes don't mean much on the world stage.

    2. Re:She lives in pretend land by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      Okay, let's forgive the Bosnian sniper for the sake of discussion.

      I'm sure this was intended as just a cute family fairy tale...
      http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10...
      As was this...
      http://www.politifact.com/trut...
      And this was just a bit of hyperbole
      https://www.washingtonpost.com...
      And we know she was just kidding with
      http://www.politifact.com/trut...
      I'm sure she just forgot when she said
      http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/...

      I could go on for many more lines, but it's late.

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    3. Re:She lives in pretend land by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      If you actually bothered to look into the DETAILS, usually it's right-wing spin.

      I have heard her say, with her own voice, "There was no classified information on my e-mail server".

      So, now we know for sure there was...

      She is lying... That isn't spin, that is a fact.

    4. Re: She lives in pretend land by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Saying that women have always been the primary victims of war is pretty damn insulting to those men and boys maimed and killed in wars they were forced to fight in.

    5. Re: She lives in pretend land by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      But they are soldiers. They're not victims. If you're a soldier, you should at least expect to get injured, if not maimed, tortured or killed. A victim is someone who has no part in the fight but end up bearing the consequences anyway.

      As such, yes, women have been the primary victims of war. Because not only do they get murder and raped by the opposing forces, often they get murdered and raped by their own side.

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      Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
    6. Re: She lives in pretend land by sexconker · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're a retard. The soldiers sent to die at the behest of some government are the primary victims in war.

    7. Re:She lives in pretend land by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      H.Clinton reminds me of Kathleen Wynne here in Ontario. Government is involved in 15 or so scandals, blew a billion dollars on a gas plant that was scrapped, being investigated by the OPP(for Americans that's the equivalent of state police) for destruction of data relating to it, 3 or so other scandals that have led to the death of people...and she got elected. Then again, Ontario is very much like So. Cal., lots of city folks in highly dense urban areas and the other 2m people living in the province live outside of it.

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    8. Re: She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they are soldiers. They're not victims. If you're a soldier, you should at least expect to get injured, if not maimed, tortured or killed. A victim is someone who has no part in the fight but end up bearing the consequences anyway.

      So when you are forced to fight in a war (remember: becoming a soldier is not a free choice everywhere and desertation can result in death penalty), and you get maimed/tortured/killed there, you are not a victim of the war? An interesting point of view.

    9. Re:She lives in pretend land by umafuckit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The impeachment (and subsequent acquittal) of her husband was clearly part of a smear campaign. It is of no interest to anyone but Bill's wife into whose mouth he puts his cock. The e-mail scandal, on the other hand, is a big problem.

      I don't know what is " turbo-liberal" about Planned Parenthood: it's an organization that provides health services. Some people disagree with some of those services on religious grounds. The resulting debate is given far too much importance on the National political stage. In reality, the issue is used as a tool to divide the electorate and everyone seems to fall for it.

      I don't much like Hilary, but I like less silly ad hominem like saying "incontrovertible proof of mental illness", which just lower the standard of discourse and contribute nothing.

    10. Re: She lives in pretend land by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Look up the word conscription.

    11. Re:She lives in pretend land by tsotha · · Score: 1

      As far as the "Bosnian sniper" issue, it's possible she mixed up two different events in her mind. I've done it also. Human memory is an odd thing. Fortunately I'm a nobody such that my mistakes don't mean much on the world stage.

      Sure, sure. She probably mixed it up with that other time a sniper was shooting at her.

    12. Re:She lives in pretend land by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Interesting you use Politifact as a source. Compare her score to those of other key candidates. Trump and Cruz score noticeably worse.

    13. Re:She lives in pretend land by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I have heard her say, with her own voice, "There was no classified information on my e-mail server".
      So, now we know for sure there was...

      There's no evidence (released) that it was classified AT THE TIME of her receiving it. Most if not all were retroactively classified.

    14. Re:She lives in pretend land by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You mean shooting at the plane, not at her specifically.

      And there could have been an incident like that at some other time. Nobody's ruled it out.

      Hanlon's razor
         

    15. Re:She lives in pretend land by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So she's living in her own little bubble without any connection to reality or real people, suffers from delusions of grandeur and is generally the poster child for Dunning Kruger?

      And here I was, thinking that she couldn't be a real politician. Silly me.

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    16. Re:She lives in pretend land by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      There's no evidence (released) that it was classified AT THE TIME of her receiving it. Most if not all were retroactively classified.

      That really isn't how it works...

      If a document contains obvious state secrets, such as designs for modern nuclear weapons, yet it lacks any "classified markings", it isn't suddenly declassified.

      The content makes it classified, not the markings.

      Someone in Clinton's position should be able to know what sorts of things are classified and what are not. You might draw some gray areas when it comes to things that would fall under "Secret".

      You'd have a harder time with Top Secret.

      It is beyond absurd to suggest that Clinton, someone who has been in Government for 30 years, who spent 8 years in the White House, wouldn't know Special Access Program material when she saw it.

      Such material doesn't have to be "marked", it is classified due to its nature and content.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      This is not run-of-the-mill stuff, It is "need to know" type info of the most sensitive nature.

      If somehow Clinton DIDN'T know what it was, then she's simply not qualified to be Commander in Chief due to incompetence. If she DID know, then she has committed a very serious felony and broken her non-disclosure agreement with the US government.

      Either way, she isn't eligible to be US President.

    17. Re: She lives in pretend land by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Any document received or sent that has not yet been classified shall be handled as secret. At least on the level she did work.

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    18. Re: She lives in pretend land by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I agree, the sex impeachment of Bill damaged the impeachment tool badly. It was extremely silly to take up that for a blowjob.

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    19. Re:She lives in pretend land by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Interesting you use Politifact as a source. Compare her score to those of other key candidates. Trump and Cruz score noticeably worse.

      SQUIRREL!!!

      So, now that I've pointed out your incorrect, you're not going to admit it, just take the distraction tactic. I don't give a flying fuck if those two lie ten times as much. They're not the ones who've broken the law. The question at hand was, is it true..."If you actually bothered to look into the DETAILS, usually it's right-wing spin" And the answer is no, Hillary is a habitual liar. Or does it depend upon what the definition of "is is"?

      For the record, I'm not a fan of either of your distraction points, but thanks for playing.

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    20. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm of the opinion that it's not real rape if the woman isn't fighting back (or unable to do so because of a clear threat to hear life, or is completely incapacitated), but given the power difference between a President and an intern (or a governor and a state trooper) many potential Hillary supporters would disagree.

    21. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need to reevaluate your paradigm. The pro-life movement contains many people who are atheists. That means your " disagree with some of those services on religious grounds" an incorrect statement. Some people disagreed with slavery on religious grounds too. That didn't make disagreement with slavery a religious issue.
      Note that in one sense abortion is like slavery. Deny the personhood of the victim and you can do anything. People as commodities and inconveniences. That makes it not particularly a religious issue.

    22. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have heard her say, with her own voice, "There was no classified information on my e-mail server".
      So, now we know for sure there was...

      There's no evidence (released) that it was classified AT THE TIME of her receiving it. Most if not all were retroactively classified.

      PROVE THAT. Oh yeah, you can't. Because just like Hilliary Clinton, her pathetic sycophant followers are liars as well. She is quite the "leader by example" on that one. And that one thing only.

    23. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She adsorbed Steve jobs' powers when he died...

      There is only so much reality bubble power in the world.. And it's shared between those who know how to harness it.. Tesla found it first!!!

      It's what the scientoligists are all high about!!

    24. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean shooting at the plane, not at her specifically.

      And there could have been an incident like that at some other time. Nobody's ruled it out.

      Hanlon's razor
       

      You are clearly an ultra Religious nuttter. Because you are talking stone-cold Miracles here if you think anyone with a temperature above freezing thinks that is true. You are at the same level of logic as the "Space-Aliens told me GoD has chosen Hillary to run" crowd,

    25. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but if the USA is sending top secret information in *cleartext* via email, they have bigger problems.

    26. Re:She lives in pretend land by sumdumass · · Score: 0

      Sigh.. there was no acquittal of the impeachment. It just failed removing Bill from office. While there was smearing involved, it certainly was of the interest of the rule of law where the chief executive of the country wilfully lied in court testimony over a question that was only pertinent because of a law he signed into law giving women (people involved in sexual harassment cases) the right to bring up references outside their specific claim to establish patterns of behavior in support of their claim.

      I cannot find disagreement with the rest of your statement. People are making too much out of something that may or may not be present. We do know that with Bill Clinton, he used scandal after scandal to strengthen his support and even earned the nickname slick Willie the Teflon president.

      I cannot help but wonder if Hillary isn't trying to manufacture the same. She was the front man of the vast right wing conspiracy theme which turned out to be truthful accusations against Bill. She is not innocent stranger to the game. She was front and center in the bimbo eruption squad where she attempted to discredit the people otherwise making truthful claimababout Bill.

    27. Re: She lives in pretend land by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      The soldiers sent to die at the behest of some government are the primary victims in war.

      The US has had an all-volunteer military for over 40 years.

      http://www.army.mil/article/10...

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    28. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It only matters about who you put your cock into when you lie about it when questioned under oath.

    29. Re: She lives in pretend land by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Look up the word conscription.

      Look up the word, "volunteer".

      http://www.army.mil/article/10...

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    30. Re:She lives in pretend land by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      This is not run-of-the-mill stuff, It is "need to know" type info of the most sensitive nature.

      I wish we knew that. With the way our government has expanded the classification of documents to cover stuff that isn't the least bit sensitive in the military or diplomatic sense, there's no telling what these "classified" documents were about.

      In 2011 alone, 97 MILLION classification decisions were made.

      http://www.cjr.org/second_read...

      "Official secrets have been reproducing faster than a basket of mongooses thanks to the miracle of “derivative classification,” and this rapid propagation has compounded the maintenance costs. Whenever information stamped as classified is folded into a new document—either verbatim or in paraphrased form—that new derivative document is born classified. Derivative classification—and the fact that nobody ever got fired for overusing the classified stamp—means that 92.1 million “classification decisions” were made in FY 2011, according to a government report, a 20 percent increase over FY 2010. Once created, your typical secret is a stubborn thing. The secret-makers’ reluctance to declassify their trove is legendary: In 1997, 204 million pages were declassified, but since 9/11 only an average of 33.5 million pages have been declassified annually."

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    31. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ken Star and the Republican Party were the perverts in the entire sordid affair.

    32. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, retroactive reclassification of email and holding her to a standard that didn't exist when she was in the position seems pretty much exactly the definition of a smear campaign.The whole thing smacks of shiny key syndrome and has been such a circus it's done nothing. It's a witch hunt that will continue until something is found. Fun fact: The more the right pushes this, the more I want to vote for Hillary, and I didn't even start out liking her. I just want to do it out of spite at this point. Why aren't they asking John Kerry or Colin Powell for their emails on their private servers. Don't forget, this started because of Benghazi and has only become this way because Benghazi turned up no smoking guns. It's politics at it's worst.

    33. Re: She lives in pretend land by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      The concept of women and children as primary victims recognizes wars leave vast trails of millions of widows with kids, and orphans, across a continent.

      It is a good observation, but it does seem to imply a dead person is not a victim, or that men hoo rah off to war en mass voluntarily. By the way, which they often do, especially with an attacking country like Germany.

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    34. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why aren't they dredging up the email of all the people who did it before her. Smear campaign, plain and simple. There's nothing here.

    35. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what is " turbo-liberal" about Planned Parenthood: it's an organization that provides health services. Some people disagree with some of those services on religious grounds.

      Some people disagree on non-religious grounds too.

    36. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What she said is very important in the context and time of when she said it.

      Information isn't born classified. It is created, and at some later time a person deems it to be sensitive, classified, secret, or top secret. Such an organization is a person's opinion based on the damage that information might cause to the government, the population, or to various government agencies; but, whatever that opinion is, it is created after the information exists.

      So the government didn't have access to emails, Hillary said they weren't classified, someone slapped top secret on the one of them. This doesn't make Hillary a liar, if you asked her the question again today the answer would probably be "Now they are top secret."

      And we don't know why some of them were deemed top secret. They might be top secret because of some authorized but unsavory attempt to make an international deal, they might be top secret because someone reported to Hillary some evidence that the FBI is operating illegally. What is more important is who is implicated (if anyone is implicated) in damaging emails, not their classification.

      Remember this email server was setup up during a time when it was permitted. Then they changed the laws to make such things illegal. That's why we don't see this in court. Now the contents which have become a stomping ground for speculation are top secret, so we'll never see the evidence behind this perpetual, continual, accusation without observable proof.

      It's the birth certificate issue all over again, except this time it's an email server, and the people doing the accusing have found the perfect puzzle. Hillary can't publish the documents that might make it all blow over (although I'm willing to believe that Trump still thinks our President doesn't have a US birth certificate) because publishing them is a felony (and possibly an act of treason).

    37. Re:She lives in pretend land by voss · · Score: 1

      Fortunately shes running against trump who people other than hard core right wingers dislike even more

    38. Re: She lives in pretend land by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Kinda. The government drives people into poverty. People in poverty commit more crimes. Some types of criminals are offered military service instead of incarceration. Sounds more like slavery than volunteerism to me.

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    39. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a dozen scandals ?
      Really ..
      How about a handful of attempts by the Republicans.

    40. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ken Star and the Republican Party were the perverts in the entire sordid affair.

      Riiiight.

      That explains the blue dress and the cigar from the fishy-smelling humidor.

    41. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That really isn't how it works...

      Yes, it is, by their own words.

      If a document contains obvious state secrets, such as designs for modern nuclear weapons, yet it lacks any "classified markings", it isn't suddenly declassified.

      Perhaps, but so what? You are talking an example of material irrelevant to the job of Secretary of State. Nobody SHOULD have been sending her anything that was actually related to classified nuclear weapons design in the first place.

      If you're going to expect us to have a problem, stop coming up with a conjectural example, and instead use one related to actual matters at hand.

      You didn't. You just came up with something "That should be obvious" and expect us to nod our heads and go along with it.

      This is why it's a smear campaign.

      If somehow Clinton DIDN'T know what it was, then she's simply not qualified to be Commander in Chief due to incompetence. If she DID know, then she has committed a very serious felony and broken her non-disclosure agreement with the US government.

      Either way, she isn't eligible to be US President.

      Yeah, keep telling yourself that. But there's no felony conviction, no grand jury, no prosecution.

      But here's something we do know...you failed to give actual examples from real material.

      Now tell yourself, could you imagine a prosecutor making that kind of case?

      I hope not, unless your name is Kafka.

    42. Re:She lives in pretend land by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I dispute the disagreement with Planned Parenthood's abortion efforts being religious only. You don't have to believe in God to oppose the slaughter of the unborn. Sure the churches are the loudest voices but I know plenty of non-believers who oppose abortion. Just because "Thou shalt not kill" is one of the 10 commandments from the bible doesn't invalidate it for most people.

    43. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Planned parenthood!? Oh my gosh! ROFL!

    44. Re:She lives in pretend land by Hutz · · Score: 1

      While the impeachment was driven by political enemies, it was not a smear campaign, nor, as others said, was it about a blowjob.

      Specifically, it was about perjury. While I'm quite happy that we did not remove a sitting president over this issue as it was unrelated to his role in government, I am also quite happy that he was later sanctioned by the Arkansas courts, paid a fine, and had his law license suspended. He also was forced to resign from the Bar of the Supreme Court in lieu of disbarment.

    45. Re:She lives in pretend land by superwiz · · Score: 1

      None of the articles of impeachment mentioned infidelity. He was impeached for lying to the grand jury. It was, in fact, a lie because his privilege to practice law before a number of courts was later removed for the very reason of having been caught lying to the court. So, even though he survived the political trial, the courts have confirmed that the charges against him were valid.

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    46. Re:She lives in pretend land by Straif · · Score: 1

      While some info may have been retroactively classified most of the reported emails were either born classified (certain topics/sources are classified immediately and require steps to declassify) or were classified immediately by the originating organization. The State department in full cover mode has been attempting, and failing miserably, to get all the originating departments to agree to declassify their materials.

      Some of the emails were so highly classified that the investigators themselves were not authorized to read them and had to get people from the originating departments to review the information.

      The ONLY people trying to stick to the 'retroactive' lie are Hillary's team and the State department which may also face some major revamping once this is all done with.

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    47. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, retroactive reclassification of email and holding her to a standard that didn't exist when she was in the position seems pretty much exactly the definition of a smear campaign.The whole thing smacks of shiny key syndrome and has been such a circus it's done nothing. It's a witch hunt that will continue until something is found. Fun fact: The more the right pushes this, the more I want to vote for Hillary, and I didn't even start out liking her. I just want to do it out of spite at this point. Why aren't they asking John Kerry or Colin Powell for their emails on their private servers. Don't forget, this started because of Benghazi and has only become this way because Benghazi turned up no smoking guns. It's politics at it's worst.

      Top secret special-access data is NEVER "retroactively" classified.

      Finding it on a private shithouse server on the open internet means whoever put it there and whoever KNEW it was there all committed a FELONY.

      Your drooling adulation of slimy liar Hillary! would be adorbs if it weren't so FUCKING PATHETIC.

    48. Re: She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boys and men are expendable. No one gives a shit if they are conscripted to fight in a war they have no desire to fight in.

    49. Re:She lives in pretend land by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      That's a bit like saying "It is of no interest whose mouth Bill Cosby puts his cock into". There was (and still is) a long list of women who claim to be victims of Bill Clinton's sexual harassment (as well as one rape accusation). Monica Lewinski was consensual, the other cases were not. Those women claimed they intimidated into silence by people working for Hillary.

      The harassment and investigation may have seemed like a political joke, but the perjury charges and Bill Clinton's disbarment was not.

      Also it is worth pointing out Bill Clinton was not acquitted of anything. He was impeached but not removed from office.

    50. Re: She lives in pretend land by shawn2772 · · Score: 2

      Saying that women have always been the primary victims of war is pretty damn insulting to those men and boys maimed and killed in wars they were forced to fight in.

      OTOH, the leaders who sent them were generally all male as well. However, this argument presumes that female leaders wouldn't have done the same.

    51. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget the absurdity of a Trump nomination. USA, how much dumber do you need to get?

    52. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The impeachment (and subsequent acquittal) of her husband was clearly part of a smear campaign. It is of no interest to anyone but Bill's wife into whose mouth he puts his cock.

      Except he wasn't impeached for that.

      He was impeached for lying about it under oath.

    53. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the US government intelligence community disagrees with your assessment that it should only matter to Hillary who Bill diddles. Adultery is a means of blackmail. And it was a misdemeanor in Washington, D.C. at the time of the offense. Trying to downplay it as a "smear" campaign, or as Hillary said, "a vast right-wing conspiracy" is silly.

    54. Re: She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forty years is a pretty damn small part of history. All volunteer militaries are a pretty new phenomenon.

    55. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress subjected Bill Clinton to impeachment proceedings but voted to not impeach.

    56. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was information on the commercial server in or attached to emails not marked to indicate degrees of sensitivity. So if you set up your email to look for such markings and reroute anything that does to a secure server as an encrypted file, that would cover the basics. If all the inbound emails were encrypted for storage, that would cover for some of the potential exposure. Note that the US government is not known for being very good at protecting secure documents.

    57. Re:She lives in pretend land by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      I dispute the disagreement with Planned Parenthood's abortion efforts being religious only. You don't have to believe in God to oppose the slaughter of the unborn. Sure the churches are the loudest voices but I know plenty of non-believers who oppose abortion. Just because "Thou shalt not kill" is one of the 10 commandments from the bible doesn't invalidate it for most people.

      The disagreement is mainly of religious origin; maybe not completely, but mostly. I think most non-religious people see things in a more fine-grained manner. In particular, I find phrases such as "the slaughter of the unborn" to be wildly over the top with respect to very early term abortions.

    58. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they were retroactively classified, not at the time in question...

    59. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that the information in question was classified *after* it was sent to her server was part of the same announcement by the FBI that this article discusses.
      So, either you don't believe:
      a) the FBI release that says the emails contained classified information, or you don't believe
      b) the *same* FBI release that says the emails weren't classified until some point in time *after* they were sent to Hillary.

      Which is it?

    60. Re: She lives in pretend land by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      Which is why *every* email in the govt not classified is supposed to be marked *UNCLASSIFIED*...to help clear up confusion and prevent leaks. She should know this...

    61. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her husband lied under oath. That is a crime.

    62. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh.. there was no acquittal of the impeachment. It just failed removing Bill from office.

      There *was* an acquittal. [1]
      The impeachment by the House was the indictment. The indictment was on 2 of the 5 charges brought to the House.
      The acquittal came from the Senate, with an overall vote of Not Guilty on both of those charges. (Primarily, as I understand it, because the decided that the lie about a sexual relationship with an intern had nothing, much less anything material, to do with the investigation into the land deal during which it was made.)

      Strangely enough, the facts of the matter are *well* documented, and readily available to anyone with even a passing interest.

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_and_acquittal_of_Bill_Clinton#Acquittal_by_the_Senate

    63. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your statements are verifiably false, according to the same statements you're using to 'convict' her. The same FBI statement indicating that certain information was classified *also* indicates that *none* of it was classified at the time it was sent to the server.

    64. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to be a complete moron to believe the bull about retroactive classification. Her title was Secretary of State, not secretary assistance to a car dealer. Her job entitle receiving and producing classified information on a daily basis.

      Also contrary to what morons like you believe, the classification of data is based on the data itself, not a label on a document. The labeling of the data is just final official confirmation by someone. Just because the label wasn't included in a document does not mean that that document is free to be distributed anywhere.

    65. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (snip) 3 or so other scandals that have led to the death of people...(snip)

      Huh? Did I miss something here?

    66. Re: She lives in pretend land by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      You only get to volunteer to join. You don't get a say as to which conflicts they send you.

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    67. Re: She lives in pretend land by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Some types of criminals are offered military service instead of incarceration. Sounds more like slavery than volunteerism to me.

      Maybe in the '50s & '60s with the draft, but not any more. The volunteer military has higher standards and a criminal record can easily keep you out, as will lacking a High School diploma, various health problems, and a minimal level of fitness (that will be improved on).

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    68. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill got impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. The sexual misconduct was just the icing on the cake. I don't see anyone waving off what Nixon did as no big deal or some Democratic conspiracy. Bill should be accountable for his behavior just as much as Nixon was.

    69. Re:She lives in pretend land by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      You are correct. I was thinking of the lawsuit that brought the impeachment up in the first place.

    70. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty in the middle here I think.

      1) The impeachment of Bill Clinton was pretty silly
      2) Bill Clinton is responsible for our nuclear secrets leaking to China and took bribes from Chinese banks
      3) Bill Clinton emptied social security to pay down the U.S. debt
      4) George W. Bush was the one of the worst presidents we've ever had and created a lot of mistrust between us and our allies and started unnecessary wars, established secret surveillance order letters, mass surveillance, Guantanamo, eliminated Habeas Corpus and invented torture in the U.S.
      5) Obama has expanded surveillance far beyond Bush's fantasies and invented the idea of just randomly UAV striking innocents in hopes of hitting intended targets
      6) Obama is at least trying to do things like close Guantanamo
      7) The economy has improved quite a bit under Obama
      8) Hilary Clinton has clearly violated a law regarding top secret material that would have put anyone else directly into federal prison and completely prevent them from ever even thinking of running for president
      9) Hilary Clinton probably has something to do with the 2012 deaths, where she sent an order to our military not to intervene, of U.S. Ambassador Stevens and Smith as well as two CIA contractors over in Benghazi
      10) Hilary Clinton fired a number of employees in the U.S. travel office and had the IRS investigate Billy Dale for embezzlement (he was found not guilty 3 years later) to attempt to get Bill's cousin Catherine Cornelius into the director's position and others friends into the other positions in which she also perjured herself in the trial but was acquitted anyways
      11) Whitewater and probably they "suicided" Vince Foster Jr.
      12) FileGate where the Hilary Clinton illegally accessed FBI files on hundreds of Republican politicians
      13) Trump is a fascist and we're really screwed if he gets in office.

      To be honest I think all sides are scum and none of them deserve the highest office. I don't really know who to vote for anymore.

      Bernie doesn't have a chance because the democratic political machine wants Hilary in no matter what, since they owe her and this is her last chance. Even if Bernie somehow managed to get in, he'd have to give her some lofty office where she can further damage the union.

    71. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary Clinton breaking the law is like Lindsay Lohan getting another DUI - we've come to expect it.

    72. Re:She lives in pretend land by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      What exactly are you asking proof of? Give a specific example.

    73. Re: She lives in pretend land by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Maybe in the '50s & '60s with the draft, but not any more. The volunteer military has higher standards and a criminal record can easily keep you out,

      Yes. And if they don't go into the military, then they give them a criminal record. You didn't actually read what I wrote. Try again, if you like, but you failed.

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    74. Re: She lives in pretend land by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      I both read and understood what you wrote. I'm telling you that you are wrong. Fifty years ago that was a thing, but not so much any more.

      The choice of "join the army or go to jail" pretty much went away a long time ago. And don't forget that they would still have an arrest record to disclose.

      Unlike during the draft and the Vietnam war period the standards for enlistment are no longer "hear thunder, see lightning" while drawing breath. You pretty much need a high school diploma, good health, be drug free, and not a troublemaker. The US military is no longer draftee based, it is a professional force with higher standards. The army isn't a substitute for prison, and it turns out things work better that way.

      There is always the French Foreign Legion.

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    75. Re: She lives in pretend land by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The US hasn't been in a real war in said "over 40 years". The shit we've been doing are pointless occupations, not fucking wars. Today, when a soldier is killed or injured it makes headlines. During wartime, you're lucky as a soldier if someone even notices your corpse and puts your name to it.

      All 18-25 year old males must still register for "selective service" in the US. Further, war goes back a bit further than 40 years and extends beyond the borders of the US. Throughout all of human history, soldiers have fought wars for someone else and the number of females among them represent a rounding error at most.

      Clinton tried to turn war into a gendered issue for women, when it's exactly the fucking opposite. The audacity it takes to claim that women are the primary victims in war rivals is beyond measure.

    76. Re: She lives in pretend land by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Wrong again. The low standards of the volunteer military have been a joke for about a dozen years. Gee, I wonder why the standards dropped in the early 2000s.

      https://youtu.be/5Q9UF0Tstww
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      Etc.

    77. Re: She lives in pretend land by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      All 18-25 year old males must still register for "selective service" in the US.

      And all children, male and female, between the ages of 5 and 15 must register for school.

      But there still hasn't been a single person drafted in over 40 years. Not one. So if you're looking to score some Men's Rights points by bringing up "The Draft", you can just get in the fookin' sea.

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    78. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better batten down your aluminum foil hat, Cowboy! Hillary will in all likelihood be your next president.

    79. Re: She lives in pretend land by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      More people have died from the effects of war than the actual fighting itself. Soldiers are not the primary victims of war, conscription or not.

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    80. Re: She lives in pretend land by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      More people have died from the effects of war than the actual fighting itself. Soldiers are not the primary victims of war.

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    81. Re: She lives in pretend land by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Once again the MRA SJWs can't stand the fact that men aren't the primary victims of war votes people down. "Oh no, they're taking away men's rights to be victims!!"

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    82. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly how it works. It has to be classified by the authorities in question. The reason this is dicey is because the authorities keep disagreeing with one another. Maybe due to the politics of deferring to Clinton's influence, maybe due to normal human mistakes. But it's silly to suggest that something can be classified without BEING classified.

    83. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say it's of interest to the person who owns the mouth if Bill Clinton puts his cock in it. And don't forget, there are women who claim much more than just inappropriate workplace conduct and sexual harassment. Some claim actual rape. And Hillary was right there tasked with the job of silencing and threatening them every time a new "bimbo eruption" came to light.

      Yeah, sure there is a lot of political spin when it comes to the Clintons, but the majority of it is in trying to excuse their actions.

    84. Re: She lives in pretend land by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The choice of "join the army or go to jail" pretty much went away a long time ago.

      Who told you that? They lied to you, and you're an idiot for believing them.

      And don't forget that they would still have an arrest record to disclose.

      No, no they would not. Arrest records get expunged all the time. You are either spectacularly disingenuous or astoundingly ignorant.

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    85. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Hillary Clinton is crazy for still running, what does that say about Jeb Bush?

    86. Re: She lives in pretend land by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Hmmm ... disingenuous or ignorant, disingenuous or ignorant . . .

      The correct answer is neither, although I understand those are both big clubs.

      Judge said Army or jail, but military doesn’t want him - Army: ‘Not taking jailbirds has been our policy for decades’

      Guerra, of North Tonawanda, outside Buffalo, was facing up to a year in jail after pleading guilty to an aggravated assault charge for allegedly hitting a woman who came between him and his girlfriend during a domestic dispute, said Niagara County District Attorney Matthew Murphy.

      When Guerra’s attorney told the judge in the case that his client wanted to join the military, the judge gave Guerra a choice, Murphy said.

      “The judge said, ‘Well, I’ll give you a conditional discharge: the condition is you join the military,’ ” Murphy said.

      But Army regulations say that people facing pending charges are ineligible to enlist, said Army spokesman Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty.

      Army policy reflected in Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-32a states ‘waiver is not authorized if a criminal or juvenile court charge is pending or if such a charge was dismissed or dropped at any stage of the court proceedings on condition that the offender enlists in a military service,’ ” Hilferty said in an e-mail response to questions.

      Army recruiters are also banned from helping someone get out of pending charges by joining the Army, Hilferty said.

      “It isn’t a new regulation. Not taking jailbirds has been our policy for decades,” he said.

      July marks 40th anniversary of all-volunteer Army

      Only 20 percent of Americans are qualified to be in the Army under standards of health, behavior, and intelligence. Seamands said recruiting still remains a challenge.

      "We are very selective because we know what's at stake," Seamands said. "What's at stake is having a professional force that's capable of fighting and winning our nation's battles."

      It isn't 1969 any more.

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    87. Re:She lives in pretend land by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It's a slaughter is it not? The term is correct. Many non-religious people oppose abortion but virtually all the organized opposition comes from church and other religious groups. I know many who are sort of ambivalent about it. They think it's wrong but feel the child is better off dead than born unwanted. I myself would like to see free and very available contraceptives. It's horrid to use abortion for retroactive birth control.

    88. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PP ceased to be a debate when terrorists started killing employees and destroying property.

    89. Re:She lives in pretend land by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      It's a slaughter is it not? The term is correct.

      I don't think it is slaughter. I think "slaughter" is an emotive term designed to polarize people's views. Further, it's a term that references the slaughter of the innocents in the New Testament, making it harder for religious people not to oppose the issue.

      I just can't see early term abortions as being anything other than the removal of an embryo. A potential human. Calling it murder seems very unreasonable. Anything in the first trimester seems like a non-issue to me. My wife is 8 weeks pregnant and if the 12 week scans and tests indicate Down's then we're having an abortion. I'll be disappointed, and worried for my wife's health, but I (we) have no qualms whatsoever about terminating it. I certainly won't feel like a killer.

      I think the real concern is that abortion is illegal in about half of US states regardless of whether there is risk to the mother or the baby was the product of rape. That is unreasonable.

      I don't know at what point I'd consider abortion the taking of a life. Probably by the third trimester. I don't have a fixed cut off in my head. I think it would depend on the reason. Also, by the third trimester there's the option of a premature delivery in the event of potential medical complications for the mother. So the issue is inherently a grey area.

    90. Re:She lives in pretend land by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      The main point to this issue is when human life begins. It begins with conception. At that point a human being starts. Is it a person? Well no it's not. It is human and it is alive. It depends on it's mother for everything at that point but really even after birth that is true as well, for a long period a human infant is totally at the mercy of it's environment. Sure slaughter is a harsh word but if one thinks that life starts at conception then abortion is a horrid thing. I'm hoping you and your wife never face such a terrible choice. Unlike so many of the abortion protesters I have nothing but sorrow for the people that choose abortion. I can understand the pressures on young women who through bad choices find themselves in such a desperate situation that they can choose to end a life. It's a choice that they will always have to live with. I don't hate them but I feel it's necessary to call abortion what it is. In the overwhelming majority of cases it is retroactive birth control. We can limit that without forcing people to carry defective fetuses to term. We live in a secular society with a secular government and as such compromise is required but I think that most people feel that use of abortion for retroactive birth control is wrong.

    91. Re:She lives in pretend land by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      You sound like a reasonable person and I respect your views. It's nice to discuss with a anti-abortionist who doesn't make knee-jerk statements. I agree it's not good to use abortion as retroactive birth control. Perhaps where we differ is that I don't consider "where human life begins" to be a useful yardstick in the debate. Neither do I think it's self-evident that "life" begins at birth or even that "life" is a very useful word in this debate.

      I don't think saying "life begins at conception" is that helpful because, apart from anything else, about 25% of conceptions end up as miscarriages. So biology itself is telling us that conception is far from a assurance of an eventual new organism. Perhaps because I'm a biologist I see the word "life" very mechanistically and I don't understand how it relates to abortion, which is an ethical issue. I see when the fetus starts to feel pain as relevant, for instance. But at which point it is "alive" just isn't useful to me because that word encompasses far too many things and states of being.

      I think it's too black and white and too easy to say conception==life and therefore life==human being and therefore abortion==killing. I see a human embryo is a potential new human existence (I'll avoid the word "life"). However, what it actually is at the time of abortion is anything from an undifferentiated ball of cells ball of cells to a highly undeveloped embryo that has nothing in common with a person. So when I think about this issue I think about it in terms of what the embryo currently is, not what it might become. I don't see it as "killing a person" or "taking a human life" I see it "as removing a ball of cells" or "removing an embryo that is currently indistinguishable from a chicken embryo". Of course later term abortions begin to become very unpleasant and there would come a stage in pregnancy where I'd probably be averse to abortion for anything but health reasons. I don't have an opinion as to where that line is, though.

      In any case, my main point is that none of the above should be a major influence on politics.

    92. Re:She lives in pretend land by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      People and their opinions have a huge influence on politics. Feeling as I do about abortion I almost never vote for a pro abortion candidate. There are exceptions but they are very rare. I might conceivably vote for someone who is pro abortion but only where the other candidates are heinous. I can say that the front runners in the Republican race just make me sad. I don't think I could vote for Bernie Sanders though, even though I kind of like him on a personal level.

    93. Re:She lives in pretend land by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      People and their opinions have a huge influence on politics. Feeling as I do about abortion I almost never vote for a pro abortion candidate.

      I'm really interested in in this. I understand that you can't vote against your conscience, so do you think you are put in a difficult position when it comes to voting? Do you sometimes feel you agree with a certain candidate, but because they are pro-abortion (or at least not anti-abortion) you can't vote for them? Is that the position you feel in with Sanders (if you don't mind my asking)?

      You're right that people and their opinions influence politics. Of course that is true. My problem is that abortion (whilst an important ethical issue) shouldn't be swaying people's voting choices about how the country is run. It's just a different category of issue to things like inequality, foreign policy (e.g. stance on Iran or Israel or terror), how to regulate Wall Street, prisons for profit, or the war on drugs. In an ideal world, everyone can disagree about all that other stuff but get together and come up with some compromise on abortion. My hunch is that it's in the interests of the politicians for that not to happen. What do you think?

    94. Re: She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look up the word conscription.

      Look up the word, "volunteer".

      http://www.army.mil/article/10...

      i'll take what is selective service for $1 please !!

    95. Re:She lives in pretend land by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I kind of feel that the two party system is designed to divide people. Both parties tend to be extreme in their viewpoints and I often find myself not liking either candidate much at all. I was so disgusted by Mitt Romney in the last election that I didn't even cast a vote for president, skipping over that part of the ballot. If that's the best the Republican party has to offer I'll pass. I'm not the only conservative that's had it with the dirty money guys that run the Republican party, that's why Trump is doing so well. They were determined to ram Jeb Bush down our throats but that's not working out that well for them. I'm not a Trump fan but I am enjoying the mayhem he's created. I kind of like Rubio but I think he needs another couple of Senate terms before he's ready. We don't need another inexperienced former Senator in the oval office. I like Bernie Sanders' honesty. He's way too socialistic but I'd take him over Mrs. Clinton any day.

    96. Re:She lives in pretend land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go dig up Hanlan and complain

    97. Re:She lives in pretend land by mick129 · · Score: 1

      There should be a moderation for "Classy". Well done.

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  5. Let the shouting begin! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    And vote for Donald Trump! :-)

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    1. Re:Let the shouting begin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because an authoritarian president plus corrupt police forces and intelligence agencies is a recipe for success.

    2. Re:Let the shouting begin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God I hope so. I want Trump to win so bad it hurts.

      I thought Bush Jr. was great, but he got two terms (doesn't matter why...). But this?! This will be beyond exquisite. Like the political version of an 18 course degustation at an elite restaurant - so much on offer and all of it amazing.

      Comedians everywhere will rejoice like they did at the start of Curious George (Bush Jr) round two.

      And perhaps, FINALLY, americans will realise that their political system is broken...

    3. Re:Let the shouting begin! by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Trump will just build a huge new political system because he's the best at political systeming.. and the Democrats will pay for it.

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    4. Re:Let the shouting begin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rubbish. He will either completely change his tune post election or become a lame duck president quickly approaching single digit approval.

      But think of the comedic value!

      Clinton winning just means another round of lying, spinning and pretending in the worst possible way - boring as shit.

      Either way with the current political system the american worker is fucked either way - might as well have a laugh on the way down!

    5. Re:Let the shouting begin! by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Why yes, it is! And it is highly rewarded by the general public at large, for thousands of years.

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    6. Re: Let the shouting begin! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Don't you already have that?

    7. Re:Let the shouting begin! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, why the heck vote for the lesser evil!

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    8. Re:Let the shouting begin! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Yes.

      What? Look at the Chinese economy and tell me that it ain't so!

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    9. Re:Let the shouting begin! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nope. The US population will pay for it. Dearly. In ways you couldn't imagine possible yet.

      But it would sure be hilarious to watch this from across the pond. It's like our very own reality TV show, with over 200 million participants and a show host we already know from a few other reality shows.

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    10. Re: Let the shouting begin! by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      Just ask those that remember Nazi Germany.

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    11. Re:Let the shouting begin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's well over 300 million people in the US. And you have made fun of Americans being ignorant of other parts of the world...

    12. Re: Let the shouting begin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theres over 300 million *now*...... ;)

    13. Re:Let the shouting begin! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No such thing!

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  6. Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody cares!

    1. Re:Seriously by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Nobody cares!

      We do care Hillary.

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    2. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I honestly don't care and am tired of hearing about it.

  7. US Government Classifies Emails After Review by mbone · · Score: 0

    There, I fixed your headline for you.
     

    1. Re:US Government Classifies Emails After Review by dcw3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do realize that she had to have known, right? Any program she had access to, she would have had to have been briefed on. The information is classified even if it's not marked as such...everyone who's ever worked with classified will tell you that. So, for example, if you create a document, email, etc., that has classified information, you're supposed to mark it properly.

      So, for the sake of discussion, let's say she didn't know, even though she's said...
      “I did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. There is no classified material. I’m certainly well-aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material.”
      Then that could only mean a few things...1) she slept through the program briefing, 2) she didn't read the emails, 3) she read the mail, and didn't understand that it was classified...meaning her above statement shows clear lack of understanding, or 4) she's lying about the whole thing to cover her ass. Are there really any other possibilities beyond it being "a vast right wing conspiracy"?

      One other detail...even if she never sent, and only received these items, as soon as she became aware that she had classified material, she would have been required to report it, and turn it over...immediately.

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    2. Re:US Government Classifies Emails After Review by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      You just changed it to something else.

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    3. Re:US Government Classifies Emails After Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call BullShit!

      Emails have surfaced with Ms. Clinton instructing an underling to remove the classification banners before emailing the information.
      That is evidence that she knows.
      Ms. Clinton was also required to take course/training in document classification, in how to handle classified and other types of documents. This is basic USA Federal Government training for people who might come in contact with "special" documents.
      Ms. Clinton was was, at least, told to be careful with all documents because any individual document or any particular piece of information could be re-classified at any time.

      I guess you never worked for a Federal Government employer who even thought about handling classified documents.
      Otherwise you wouldn't spout such stupid foolishness.

    4. Re:US Government Classifies Emails After Review by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      This. She had an obligation to report any mishandled classified information sent to her. In the case of the SAP material, she would have known that was only available from a private network. It is pretty clear that she (and many of her staff) just didn't give a fuck.

  8. Eh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vote for Chuthulu. The ultimate evil and skip all these wannabees.

    1. Re:Eh.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh I dunno. This time we're getting close to not need him if we don't want to vote for the lesser evil.

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    2. Re:Eh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, old Chultulu really have to update his game to make an impact this time

  9. You and I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We would be in jail by now . . . .

  10. Perp Walk by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 0

    What time is her perp walk scheduled?

    1. Re:Perp Walk by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm expecting the head of the FBI to resign if the DOJ doesn't press charges.

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  11. Makes no difference by argumentsockpuppet · · Score: 2

    The people voting for her don't care.

    The problem with democracy is that you can't keep people from voting badly.

    1. Re:Makes no difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why we aren't (supposed to be) in a democracy.

      That's what the electoral college was SUPPOSED to guard against--to prevent the people from succumbing to the smile and flash of a demagogue.

      Of course, the states have done a good job of removing this, by tying the hands of their electoral college delegates and forcing them to vote however the people say.

    2. Re:Makes no difference by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      "Democracy doesn't guarantee good government......it guarantees the government you deserve."

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    3. Re:Makes no difference by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No wonder the people in the US fear god. They must be horrible, horrible sinners to deserve this.

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    4. Re:Makes no difference by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's almost like the country is built on top of thousands of indian burial grounds.

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    5. Re:Makes no difference by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

      The problem with democracy is that you can't keep people from voting badly.

      I know, right? If you could, the Republican Party would have died off about 30 years ago.

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  12. One link has 5 blockable elements, the... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    ...other 15. It is pretty obvious that googletagmanager.com must be blocked, the same goes with sharethrough.com. I'm pretty certain that goroost.com is up to no good as well. You always have to consider the source and it appears that neither of these sites can be trusted since they are both more interested in serving up malware than they are in delivering non-biased untainted news.

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  13. Premature Conclusions be Damned by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Until the details come out of who sent them, when they were classified, and who should have known it was problem material, there is not much use in speculating at this point.

    Also note that the "regular" office server she allegedly should have been using was NOT designed for classified info either. The same issue would still exist: classified stuff winding up on the wrong equipment. Whether anybody would then still know or care in that case is another matter.

    1. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is what an apologist looks like.

      1. Information can and does become classified retroactively. The dates don't matter.
      2. Who sent it does not matter either as Clinton did not report the material.
      3. Who should have known does not matter either. Due care is expected of the Secretary of State in all their dealings.
      4. There is no speculation when an official stance on documents have been released.
      5. Rules are rules. It does not matter that if she followed rules, security would have been the same. Shooting a man that is about to jump off a bridge is still murder.

      If you did what she did you would be looking at a very long list of charges and the Chelsea Manning treatment. The only reason she isn't is because of her last name. That is a problem worth discussing.

    2. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by umafuckit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think he's being an apologist. He's saying that we need more details to discover who was colluding in the scheme. He's also saying that it's not the private server that was the problem, but that fact that e-mails themselves were likely systematically being treated in an insecure manner (probably by many people).

    3. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't think he's being an apologist. He's saying that we need more details to discover who was colluding in the scheme. He's also saying that it's not the private server that was the problem, but that fact that e-mails themselves were likely systematically being treated in an insecure manner (probably by many people).

      If you had to make an educated guess based on your experience of human nature, how many congress critters do you think are treating classified data in a careless manner? And keep in mind that some pretty banal and essentially harmless information ends up getting the 'classified' stamp for reasons known only to the bureaucrats..

    4. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      #1 - We don't know if they matter in this case, we don't have sufficient details.

      #2 - How is one to magically know what's supposed to be classified? For example, she may receive an email that says, "The queen of Elbonia will arrive at 7pm." Perhaps that's from a classified source, perhaps not. One cannot tell by reading that fact alone. It's not "self-classifying". It's unrealistic to say she's in charge of verifying everything sent in the office. That should NOT be the job of S.O.S. anymore than the plumbing.

      #3 - See #2

      #4 - Please clarify. That doesn't make sense to me.

      #5 - The rules at the time did NOT forbid a home server. (Politifact claims she broke the rules by not turning in copies of her server emails within a given deadline after resigning. I couldn't find further details on that. Others speculate that if she CC'd others or if a copy passed through the office server, then it's covered already as the law is written and she didn't owe a copy back. The law in question is subject to interpretation.)

    5. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO the question is not what was in those e-mail or who sent them, but why she, as an official, was using a private server. For facebook and family it's ok I guess, but never give out this address to other officials.

    6. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no speculation left. In the released emails there is a conversation between Hillary and an underling where she directs the subordinate to remove the markings on a top secret document and send it to her private server. This proves that she both received classified documents on her private server, but also was aware that this was against the rules.

      As for your second point, you dont have one. Classified information is to go through approved government channels with proper encryption. No, the same issue would not exist - no classified info on the wrong equipment, unless she intentionally USES the wrong equipment.

      Stop trying to protect her at the expense of common sense and reality...

    7. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      She received material from SAPs which even if markings were removed (if they existed) she would know were highly classified from being briefed on the programs. She had an obligation to report those breaches and did not. The consequences for a DoD or IC community employee doing the same would have included termination and most likely prosecution. Transferring material from a secure system to an insecure one is the equivalent to making a copy and bringing it home. See forrmer CIA director Deutch for an example.

    8. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not being an apologist to do something that is legal, even if at some point in the future it might not be illegal. That's because you never know what they might make illegal in the future.

      If I made your list top secret, you shouldn't be charged after the fact for distributing it, as it wasn't illegal to do so at the time you pressed the send button.

    9. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until the details come out of who sent them, when they were classified, and who should have known it was problem material

      As Secretary of State, Mrs. Clinton should have been more than aware of what information should be labeled Classified, Secret, TS, and above. Understanding that, and the importance of such information, is part of the job. Unless part of one of these email chains is showing Mrs. Clinton stating 'This is not the correct channel for this information', then I'd have to say she was at a minimum grossly negligent in her job.

      But even then, one case of correcting the handling of information would probably even be worse. Because it would show that she DID understand proper handling.

      Also note that the "regular" office server she allegedly should have been using was NOT designed for classified info either. The same issue would still exist: classified stuff winding up on the wrong equipment. Whether anybody would then still know or care in that case is another matter.

      In 2010, the Whitehouse made it perfectly clear that Government Employees were to avoid WikiLeaks because the data was still classified. Information does not stop being Classified just because it is not on secured media. Chelsea Manning is in jail because of that, Edward Snowden is in Russia, and Hillary may be our next president. Doesn't something seem wrong with that last statement?

    10. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until the details come out of who sent them, when they were classified, and who should have known it was problem material, there is not much use in speculating at this point.

      Also note that the "regular" office server she allegedly should have been using was NOT designed for classified info either. The same issue would still exist: classified stuff winding up on the wrong equipment. Whether anybody would then still know or care in that case is another matter.

      You are being deliberately clueless.

      Classified data exists on a completely separate network. For it to show up on Hillary!'s bathroom server, someone at State would have had to make a deliberate effort to copy classified data from the classified network and send it to Hillary!.

      AKA a felony.

      There are only two choices for you to select from: Hillary! was too clueless to recognize top secret special-access data when she saw it. Or she didn't care about the consequences of putting it on her shithouse server through the read-by-Chinese-and-Russian-and-Cuban-and-Israeli-and-NorthKorean-and-German-and-French-intel-services open internet.

      Given that we already have at least one email where Hillary! EXPLICITLY tells a subordinate to send her an unsecure email because the fax used for classified data wasn't working, guess what? The already-known EVIDENCE makes it CLEAR Hillary! didn't fucking care about protecting classified data and deliberately instructed subordinates to violate the laws regarding the handling of classified data.

      But it doesn't really matter if Hillary! did it deliberately - either deliberate or stupidity should not only disqualify her from elective office, it should also - given the NDA she signed to get access to classified data - land her ass in JAIL.

      But then there are UTTER TWITS like you how are deliberately clueless because...

      Because WHY?!?!?!

      Please tell us why the HELL you are willing to ignore already-known evidence and to publicly demonstrate utter stupidity in order to support a woman whose only accomplishment is to marry Bill Clinton?

      She's a demonstrated slimy liar who got fired from the Watergate investigation panel for being unethical.

      And that's from the data Hillary! DIDN'T wipe. What the hell could be WORSE than that? Because Hillary! tried to delete a lot of data that the FBI now has apparently recovered - but THIS wasn't what she thought was incriminating enough to delete?

    11. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your statement is not really correct depending on where the emails came from. If she had used her regular government email, that would have kept these emails on a local intranet and firewalled from the outside. This is what government contractors are REQUIRED to do to prevent a code blue or spillage into the open world. By moving her server to the outside, this essentially removed this basic safeguard. So for "convenience", she put our secrets at risk. But it wasn't for convenience as she claims; she is a control freak and did not want people to see how she conducts business which is actually required by law. People say this wasn't the law, but why even have the National Archives? This is like saying NIxon did not have to give up his tapes. Come on people.

    12. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No "regular" office equipment is meant to hold this kind of info. You need "special" equipment for that. You also have to respect the fact that the info IS classified. Hillary asking her minions to remove the header/footer markings, to pass the info onto her, is about as bad as it gets. But since she is a Democrat, it won't matter to 47% of the population.

      Again, she could start growing horns, and 90% of the DNCers would still vote for her, without reservation.

    13. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      How is one to magically know what's supposed to be classified?

      You receive training when you gain a security clearance.

      It's not "self-classifying"

      A lot of stuff is self-classifying. It's kind of dumb IMO, and a lot of things get classified that shouldn't be, but that's how it is.

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    14. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      #2 - How is one to magically know what's supposed to be classified? For example, she may receive an email that says, "The queen of Elbonia will arrive at 7pm." Perhaps that's from a classified source, perhaps not. One cannot tell by reading that fact alone. It's not "self-classifying". It's unrealistic to say she's in charge of verifying everything sent in the office. That should NOT be the job of S.O.S. anymore than the plumbing.

      >

      Simple--It's called a "Security Classification Guide". If you handle classified material you are responsible for knowing what's in it. BTW, "Queen of Elbonia will arrive" is usually CONFIDENTIAL (schedule events normally are--though depending on the threat, it may be SECRET). Also, if you receive info that you know or suspect is classified,it is your duty to secure it and report it to the security office in your area. If you don't know, you are supposed to secure it and have someone who does make that determination. That training is in your annual COMSEC and Handling Classified Info brief...You did get that brief, Mrs Clinton, didn't you?

    15. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until the details come out of who sent them, when they were classified, and who should have known it was problem material, there is not much use in speculating at this point.

      I read an article off of Yahoo yesterday (can't find the link now) that said the FBI had an email FROM Hillary to her staff instructing them to strip off any classification before sending it to her private server. This is really damming, if true.

    16. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I am sure you would be giving H.W. bush the same benefit of the doubt.

    17. Re:Premature Conclusions be Damned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent points all! Much of the reporting I've seen has concluded that information contained in emails Hillary sent were classified retroactively. It's disingenuous to say in 2016 that that information contained in emails several years ago is now classified.

  14. And......don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I really don't care. Gov servers had coded back doors being exploited this whole time. So pick your poison

    1. Re:And......don't care by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      And I really don't care. Gov servers had coded back doors being exploited this whole time. So pick your poison

      Come on Hillary, if you didn't care, you wouldn't post.

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    2. Re:And......don't care by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      You really think she can use a computer, do you?

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    3. Re:And......don't care by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Isn't that what Huma Abedin was for? Two women scorned, working together for a common goals, global domination, and emasculation of the opposite sex.

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  15. I wish news organizations would press her harder by c8663 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish news organizations would press her harder with followup questions. I was listening to a NPR (my main source of news) doing a question and answer with Hillary.

    NPR: Did you send or receive classified e-mails?

    Hillary: I did not receive or send e-mails marked classified.

    NPR should have followed up with: Did you discuss with anyone over your private unsecured e-mails system anything that should have been classified? (To have done that would would have been illegal)

    During this Q&A with Hillary, she laughed and said that one of the e-mails that is now being classified was of someone sending her a New York Times article. How could it be classified if it was in the newspaper?

    (I spent a year in Iraq supporting the US Army. At one point, a co-worker gave a google earth picture to me (by hand) of area around us. He pointed out that the picture originally was not classified because it came from google earth. But then he pointed out that he had made some markings on the picture and now it was classified.)

    NPR should have followed up with Hillary: In this e-mail did the person have classified knowledge about the subject of the newspaper article, and did he make comments about the article. (As in my example above, if someone with classified knowledge made any comments about the article and sent it over a non secure e-mail system, it would be illegal)

    (disclaimer: I am a Bernie Sanders supporter)

  16. why didn't they know already? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    here's what i'm gathering from all this: the government has not secured its email system. if you are sending sensitive information outside of intranets you control, you have lost control of the information. so the question is, why will their email system send any information anywhere if it handles highly sensitive information? why aren't they using an encrypted email system? why does their security rely on the users? why is their system so damn insecure?!

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    1. Re:why didn't they know already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's hard to keep a system secure when the people at the top are deliberately undermining it.

    2. Re:why didn't they know already? by Alypius · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's at least three different networks: "NIPR" for unclassified, general internet usage; "SIPR" for stuff classified up to Secret, and "JWICS" for some (but not all) TS/SCI. It is very difficult to electronically (e.g. send email) from one network to another and usually requires a second reader (who is outside the organization) to scour and approve/deny the shift. However, there is very little that can be done to prevent someone from manually typing information to circumvent the system.

  17. Trump says he can shoot someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... and still be elected, and people care about Hillary Clinton's emails? Isn't this political system a bit messed up??

    1. Re:Trump says he can shoot someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So someone exercises their first amendment right and someone else commits a federal crime. You can't tell who is in the wrong. You probably don't vote and that's for the best.

    2. Re:Trump says he can shoot someone by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      In this fucked up country? He could mow down some $minority_group by the dozen and be more electable to some people than before.

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    3. Re:Trump says he can shoot someone by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Politics have no relation to morals.
      Niccolo Machiavelli

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    4. Re:Trump says he can shoot someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Trump is a tool and will never support him, but his statement was obviously an off-color joke. The media tried to make a bigger deal of it by never airing the laughter from the crowd that followed, but it was nevertheless just a bad joke and not the stupidest thing Trump has ever said.

      What Hillary Clinton may have done is broken the law. A very serious law. So yeah, we're talking about her instead of the clown seeking the Republican nomination.

    5. Re:Trump says he can shoot someone by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      So the refugee crisis in your country isn't going well? No surprise. It seems to be a big problem across Europe.

      It seems the native Europeans don't take well to their women being sexually assaulted by the dozens or hundreds at a time.

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  18. We are all cows by istartedi · · Score: 1

    We are all cows who have no future. Moo.

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  19. The people here defending her are the problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The people here defending her are a clear example of what's wrong with, not only this country, but the world in general. They put politics in before character. She's a liberal Democrat and the many people that strongly identify with liberal Democrats, such as the indoctrinated college students who feel more enlightened and sophisticated than the rest of the commons they pretend to protect, will ignore the crimes she's committed, the lies she's said, and the overall elitist, privileged people and special interest groupa she really represents. The evidence doesn't matter, they'll do all they can to dismiss or discredit it, no matter how ridiculous the efforts are needed to do so. They really are no different than those people that are religious zealots, whether it be radicalized Muslims or Christians or Jews. Those that follow politics this blindly (left or right - liberal or conservative) are dangerous as they will allow any violent, crazy, lying sociopath to hold ultimate power and, not only ignore crimes and atrocities that are committed, but actually defend them, whether it's online bullying like you see here in the comment section with insults thinly veiled as "discussion" or "fact", or picketing and protesting, or even violent, illegal actions that extremists commit whether it's eco terrorists, Black Lives Matter, Oregan militias, both pro and anti-abortionists, or radicalized Islamists. The list of groups you could discuss are thousands in numbers. Groups. Organizations. All for the good of the people, so they claim. They are all returning people to tribal violence in some form or another. The followers turned community leaders, disseminating their propaganda . They're all claiming it's for the better of humanity in some way, shape, or form. Just as the people of Germany were manipulated by Hitler and his Nazi party to believe they were doing the right thing. They were told it was for a greater good. These people were the judge and jury, the guiding light. And, not supporting them meant you represented all that was wrong. You were shamed, bullied, and dismissed. If only they could get rid of you, the world would be a better place. And so the hypocrisy of this rant is made visible here at the end... and you thought you had me. Welcome to the club.

  20. Now she's lost conbtrol of the press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    How is she going to control the world's most powerful country when she can't even control her own husband?

    1. Re:Now she's lost conbtrol of the press by Alypius · · Score: 2

      And Bill routinely chose literally any woman other than Hillary. Shouldn't the voters feel the same way?

    2. Re:Now she's lost conbtrol of the press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Bill routinely chose literally any woman other than Hillary. Shouldn't the voters feel the same way?

      Hell, can you blame him?

      That's why the impeachment never really worked - everyone looked at Hillary and thought, "I'd cheat on her too! Hell, I'm voting for Bill because he hasn't kicked that hag to the curb like she deserves!" And let's be real - Bill can do as he pleases in that "marriage" since Hillary knows she's NOTHING without Bill.

      PS - A couple of people I know were Secret Service during Bill's Presidency. Bill's a great guy - no surprise there. Hillary's an utter bitch - the unofficial codename of any aircraft she was being flown in was "Broomstick One".

  21. Re:Charge her with treason by dcw3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Treason has specific legal meaning...What she did was criminal, but doesn't come close to treason.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

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  22. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Alypius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Correct. She "did not receive or send e-mails marked classified" because she directed her aides to strip all the markings and send it via non-secure means.

  23. Everyone Is Missing The Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    She had a home email server and knew how to use it. We should elect this uber geek. It'll be a win for tech circles everywhere!

    1. Re:Everyone Is Missing The Point by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Actually, it appears that she had a home email server and *didn't* know how to use it.

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  24. Private Email Server Torture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A lot of you seem to have completely lost your morals, and it's frankly disgusting.

    If Hillary Clinton is actually found guilty of something, then yes she should be held accountable. We can throw her in jail, right after Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and any one else involved in what happened at Gitmo and elsewhere. Until all those assholes are behind bars, you can all shut the fuck up. Compared to torturing people who may not have done anything wrong (after all, they never had a trial), I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS STORY.

  25. So not because no crime was committed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because no ex post facto law means that since the emails were not classified and were on a government owned server for unclassified emails and documents at the time means that Clinton isn't guilty of squat, any more than the entire US government is guilty because they owned the servers that these "classified" documents resided that was meant for only unclassified material.

    I merely see this as karma for what the Clinton campaign (with the willing and likely leading help of the mainstream media who don't want to see billions in political ads and the billions in viewer ratings to drop when money is taken out of politics) did to scupper and silence Bernie Sanders.

    That still doesn't make Clinton a criminal on this issue, though.

    1. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go read the emails. You wont be saying she isn't a criminal. Unless you work for an Oil company or a Bank I guess.

    2. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by jmac_the_man · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because no ex post facto law means that since the emails were not classified and were on a government owned server for unclassified emails and documents at the time means that Clinton isn't guilty of squat, any more than the entire US government is guilty because they owned the servers that these "classified" documents resided

      You're doing it wrong here in a number of ways.

      First off, Hillary had a privately owned server. She owned it, not the government.

      Secondly, using a privately owned server to do Official Government Business is a crime even if the work is unclassified. (It violates the Freedom of Information Act, which says that the people have the right to demand records from the government so they can check for corruption.)

      Also, the documents were classified when they were sent. The State Department is lying to protect Clinton when they tell you otherwise.

    3. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      First off, Hillary had a privately owned server. She owned it, not the government.

      yes, this is the most important part. she stored her emails in a likely insecure manner that was likely not up to the requirements of an email server that stored classified material (because, if it were, it would have been a pain in the ass to use which is why she switched to a private server in the first place). Even though no emails leaked snowden-style, I assume she was owned by every single country on earth.

      it's likely a crime to even store this material in an insecure manner, which is what she did.

    4. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Secondly, using a privately owned server to do Official Government Business is a crime even if the work is unclassified. (It violates the Freedom of Information Act, which says that the people have the right to demand records from the government so they can check for corruption.)

      And then she demonstrated why it shouldn't be allowed when she was asked for her emails and immediately "accidentally" deleted them.

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    5. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't comment with misinformation about things you don't understand -- it not only makes you look foolish, but it misinforms others.

      Official government business on a privately owned server was not illegal. It has only recently been made so for future Secretaries of State. John Kerry is the FIRST head of the State Dept to primarily use a .gov e-mail address. The Freedom of Information Act does not apply at all here. You should read it sometime. It's about your right as a citizen to request information from the Federal government, but there are nine exemptions from that -- including national security and personal privacy. There's nothing in FOIA that required Clinton to do anything. It's strictly regarding ways citizens can request info. Your statement is as silly as saying authors have to comply with your local library's rules. Authors and libraries do have a very weak relationship, but one does not control the other.

      You may be conflating FOIA with the Federal Records Act. THAT is what requires the State Dept to retain work-related e-mails. Those e-mails were not forbidden at the time from being housed personal e-mail server. In addition, Section 1924 of Title 18 and NARA (National Archives) regulations state how those e-mails should be maintained and secured -- especially if there was classified information in them. Classified information cannot be stored without proper authorization and security... which is the whole issue.

      Clinton failed to promptly turn over the e-mails after her tenure -- which could be seen as a violation of the Federal Records Act, but likely won't. If she SENT classified information by personal e-mail or KNOWINGLY received classified information by personal e-mail and failed to act/report it, then she MAY have violated the law.

      I think it's very likely she's guilty, but there's enough nuance for her to weasel out of any charges. But, let's not go around making stuff up like FIOA made it illegal for her to send unclassified work-related e-mails through a personal server. That's just BS.

    6. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      Right... except that she tried to delete the emails and failed, which is why the FBI says they have 100% of the deleted ones as well. They called the deletion attempt "completely unprofessional," which is exactly the kind of IT services that need to be provided to servers that secure servers that hold information classified above top secret.

    7. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      All the things that you called "likely" are true. However, there was a leak. Some emails that Sydney Blumenthal wrote that were sent through this server were published by one of the Gawker affiliates after one of the Gawker guy's buddies hacked the server.

    8. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Top Secret documents on a privately owned unsecured server. Failure to protect Top Secret information has been illegal since before there were servers.

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    9. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is also not the first time officials have used private email servers. It looks like the reason is to evade FOIA requests. While this was illegal, it looks like it has been "normal operations" for some time, and it is unclear what kind of penalties the former white house administration would receive. Perhaps no one will get charged.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

      "The "gwb43.com" domain name was publicized by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), who sent a letter to Oversight and Government Reform Committee committee chairman Henry A. Waxman requesting an investigation.[11] Waxman sent a formal warning to the RNC, advising them to retain copies of all emails sent by White House employees. According to Waxman, "in some instances, White House officials were using nongovernmental accounts specifically to avoid creating a record of the communications."[12] The Republican National Committee claims to have erased the emails, supposedly making them unavailable for Congressional investigators.[13]"

    10. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      If you're going to make excuses for Clinton - please make them rational. Not even you understands what you have typed here - it's senseless, and pointless.

      Let's say that I have access to classified documents, detailing how to build nuclear weapons. I take out a note pad, and copy the shit off the documents, carry the notepad home, then type all that data into an editor, or into email.

      You're going to say that they data is NOT classified, because it isn't MARKED "classified"?

      That is the equivalent of Shrillary's actions.

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    11. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      "I assume she was owned by every single country on earth."

      I'll have to disagree with you. She was owned by persons who could wave million dollar donations under her nose. Individuals, corporations, countries, or even ET. A million dollar donation to the Clinton Foundation was all that was required to get any secret Hillary had access to. I've seen speculation, but no evidence, that her server was pwned by outside interests. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but I've not seen the evidence to support the claim.

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    12. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      gwb43.com was a campaign website that people who worked for Bush's reelection campaign used. Some of Bush's political appointees worked for both the campaign and the government simultaneously. Others who worked for Bush quit their White House jobs to work for the campaign and were hired back after he won.

      While working on the campaign, they WEREN'T ALLOWED to use the official server. (You can't use government resources for your campaign.) That's why the server was there in the first place. It was a campaign server intended for campaign work.

      The other difference is that there was no satellite imagery on gwb43.com

    13. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I've seen speculation, but no evidence, that her server was pwned by outside interests. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but I've not seen the evidence to support the claim.

      do you really need evidence on this? I think it's safe to assume. when the sun sets, it's safe to assume that it is still illuminating other parts of the planet. it's unlikely it has extinguished itself completely.

    14. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a little evidence is needed. You can tell me that my server has been pwned - anyone can make that claim. I'll have to see some evidence before I believe it. At least a minimum of evidence. Got any logs from Shrillary's server? Got any idea when to focus on? Something, anything. Otherwise, it's pure speculation that her server was hacked.

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    15. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the bitch is 100% guilty but parent AC is correct. +1 Informative.

    16. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two important points:
      1) "The other guys did it too!" isn't a defence.
      2) The gwb45.com email accounts were not their only accounts

    17. Re:So not because no crime was committed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      couple things:

      -No, it was not illegal to run a private server, and you show a lack of understanding of the laws, particularly of the FOIA.
      -and no, none of it was classified at the time it was sent . reclassification up and down the scale can and does happen after the fact, but the key point you just just say it's so doesn't make it so, and thus far no one has stated it was classified when sent, only that maybe something should have been.

      ( http://www.npr.org/sections/it... )

      The Laws

      At issue are four sections of the law: the Federal Records Act, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), the National Archives and Records Administration's (NARA) regulations and Section 1924 of Title 18 of the U.S. Crimes and Criminal Procedure Code.

      In short:
      The Federal Records Act requires agencies hold onto official communications, including all work-related emails, and government employees cannot destroy or remove relevant records.
      FOIA is designed to "improve public access to agency records and information."
      The NARA regulations dictate how records should be created and maintained. They stress that materials must be maintained "by the agency," that they should be "readily found" and that the records must "make possible a proper scrutiny by the Congress."
      Section 1924 of Title 18 has to do with deletion and retention of classified documents. "Knowingly" removing or housing classified information at an "unauthorized location" is subject to a fine or a year in prison.

      The Federal Records Act

      [..]Addressing the Federal Records Act, NPR's Scott Horsley reported last month on the question of whether Clinton's exclusive reliance on a private email account violated it. Here's some of what he reported: "A State Department spokeswoman says Hillary Clinton did not break any rules by relying solely on her personal email account. Federal law allows government officials to use personal email so long as relevant documents are preserved for history."

      The law was amended in late 2014 to require that personal emails be transferred to government servers within 20 days. But that was after Clinton left office.

      FOIA — You Can't Always Get What You Want

      [..]The Justice Department weighed in, calling it "sheer speculation" that "Clinton withheld any work-related emails from those provided to the Department of State." What's more, Justice wrote, "FOIA creates no obligation for an agency to search for and produce records that it does not possess and control."

      In fact, the department refers to a past fight over former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger's notes, as Josh Gerstein points out. Notes and tapes of Kissinger's conversations were sent to the Library of Congress — rather than leaving them to the State Department — restricting their public access. FOIA requests were denied by the State Department because they were under the aegis of the Library of Congress. Kissinger declined to turn the documents over to archivists' requests.

      What's more, the Supreme Court held that the Kissinger documents did not have to be turned over under FOIA — even though they were notes taken while Kissinger was at State — because State did not have possession of them.

      Then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist, writing for the majority in 1980: "We hold today that, even if a document requested under the FOIA is wrongfully in the possession of a party not an 'agency,' the agency which received the request does not 'improperly withhold' those materials by its refusal to institute a retrieval action. When an agency has demonstrated that it has not 'withheld'requested records in violation of the standards established by Congress, the federal courts have no authority to order the production of such records under the FOIA."

      NARA

      The National Archives is wher

  26. I would expect to go to jail by vpness · · Score: 2

    If I did this. I really, really don't understand how she did this, pretended it didn't matter. I held a clearance and my expectation is that I'd be making plans for my family to live without me for a bunch of years.

    1. Re:I would expect to go to jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto

  27. Re:The people here defending her are the problem.. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    The main problem is that in this fucked up political system you don't vote for someone or something, you vote against someone or something. If one of the possible candidates and his or her position is so unthinkable that you cannot stomach the idea of it becoming reality, it doesn't matter what the alternative is. It could be a mass rapist and murderer and you'd still have to vote for this option.

    Just ponder how much Trump has to alienate voters who consider themselves, as you put it, "enlightened and sophisticated" that they think this bitch is the BETTER alternative.

    Sorry: The less horrible one.

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  28. Does the US have an electable candidate? by loufoque · · Score: 1

    And if so, who is it?

  29. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correct. She "did not receive or send e-mails marked classified" because she directed her aides to strip all the markings and send it via non-secure means.

    Any other American that is not a Limousine Liberal Elite would be in JAIL right now.

    So America, are you going to condone the diseased actions of, and lick the anus of the equivalent of, Royalty on your shores? The time has come to decide.

    Hint: George Washington turned down the proposal to make him King at the time. He said there should never be a King in America.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.

  30. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    (1) The first sentence of the article straight up says she denies doing what you've accused her of.

    (2) The article explains that it is completely normal to remove the classified parts of a document in order to declassify the rest of it. As someone who has held several clearances I did this on a regular basis as part of my job in order to get debug logs of classified computers out to support engineers at the manufacturer.

    (3) The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies - they are not a reputable news organization. You've put your trust in them because they confirm your biases, not because they do trustworthy reporting.

  31. Curious parallel by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Hilly started her public career coming out of college and working (I believe as an intern) on the commission investigating Watergate, yet nobody (as far as I'm aware) has drawn the obvious parallel to her release of 50000 emails (which we all know have been pre-culled; the "top secret" emails being mentioned here are the ones that slipped through that process) and the release of Nixon's Watergate tapes with 18 minutes missing.

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  32. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    [washingtontimes.com]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  33. It's good to be the Queen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Clintons are royalty and nothing will happen to them. Jail and penalties are reserved for mere mortals like you and I.

  34. why does she actually have to have TS emails? by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

    I'm sure I'm missing something but why do they actually have to find TS emails? It might not be illegal but it should be: if you have a reasonable expectation that you'll be receiving classified materials you should be responsible for ensuring you are prepared for securing them. She did the equivalent of having a PO box at a local FedEx and telling people to send her documents there. That alone should be illegal.

  35. Not yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She is not charged yet.

    Zerohedge has multiple sources that 100 FBI agents are investigating the e-mails, the handling of her private server (that was insecurely configured), and bribes (us donations) to the Clinton foundation from foreign entities.

    This will come out, if there is no justice dept. action, there will be a revolt by the security operatives and FBI as they see a double standard, and letting a criminal off the hook for political reasons.

    The real issue is why she did it, running the un-offical private server to avoid FOIA investigations for her possibly nefarious activities. In violation of records retention she deleted thousands of e-mails with her people doing the judgment instead of a federal archivist.

    The whole thing stinks, and she is unsuitable for president as a result.

  36. Classified vs. Marked Classified at the time by IHTFISP · · Score: 1
    Substitute ``private'' for ``classified'' and consider this:

    ...

    Somebody sent to me an on-line order confirmation including your name, e-mail address, billing address, date of birth, social security number and credit card number with 3-digit security code.

    I forwarded it to Slashdot.org, a public forum.

    I cannot be indicted for conspiracy to commit identity theft because It was not ``marked as private information at the time'' and there is no direct evidence that anyone has used it for any unauthorized purchases.

    Yeah, right.

    Capisci?

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  37. definition of lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you actually bothered to look into the DETAILS, usually it's right-wing spin.

    I have heard her say, with her own voice, "There was no classified information on my e-mail server".

    So, now we know for sure there was...

    She is lying... That isn't spin, that is a fact.

    Lying is knowingly saying something that's not true. If she honestly thought that there was no classified information, then she was not lying, she was just wrong. Mens rea and all that.

    This doesn't make what she did IT-/procedural-wise any better, but it doesn't (necessarily) make her a liar. I highly doubt she has the detailed knowledge to set up an Exchange server herself, and so trusted (mistakenly, in hind-sight) someone else to do it for her.

  38. Thanks, it all make sense now by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    this is an attempt to get her emails so they can leak 'em during a court hearing and create another scandal. The Republicans knew some of the docs would be reclassified to prevent that and then they could cry out "See!See!". It's a win-win either way, or to quote a fark-wit: truly this is Hilary's Benghazi.

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    1. Re: Thanks, it all make sense now by baristabrian · · Score: 1

      Thanks; it's all clear now. Just like Watergate and Contragate (and disgrace-in-the-Whitehouse Blowjobgate), it's " *all* just a conspiracy to "create" a scandal. OK [sensing the delusional state of HRC sycophants], I'm hanging up now. I don't argue with tinfoil hat-wearing dolts.

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  39. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    State Department at 8:02 CST , Saturday Jan, 30th, 2016
    John Kirby spokesman.

    No documents at the time identified as Classified were sent. .....

    So the Hillary haters will say ... but later they were.
    You may be right, you may be wrong.
    But at the time they were created and sent - and possibly read - they were not.

    If you have that level of knowledge of the future - would you tell me who is going to win the Super Bowl ?

  40. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    Fuck off troll.

  41. Re:Charge her with treason by Ryanrule · · Score: 2

    They were not classified when she dealt with them. Why do you post false information?

  42. As all people in her position would. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Republican desperation at the unstoppable Hillary Sanders ticket.

  43. State Department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The State Department gets stuff that eventually becomes classified. First contact on Einstein's famous letter to FDR war with the State Department through Belgium's ambassador. Took a while to catch on that it was important.

  44. Re:The people here defending her are the problem.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Just ponder how much Trump has to alienate voters who consider themselves, as you put it, "enlightened and sophisticated" that they think this bitch is the BETTER alternative."

    You assume they vote for her because they think she is the "BETTER alternative". Just the opposite, they vote for her because of the political party she represents. It has nothing to do with character, as the previous post pointed out. That is the problem. Their opinions on who is better is worthless anyways, as they're morons.

  45. Its fun watching the Clinton Dynasty burn by Karmashock · · Score: 2

    Chelsea Clinton apparently is already laying the ground work for her own political career... with an eye to being president one day. Its all quite delightful.

    The Bush Dynasty is also burning. Watching Jeb fail to get anywhere is delicious.

    We've had enough of Clintons' and Bushs'. Let someone else run. If the democrats really can do no better than Bill Clinton's wife then apparently they have not taken the office seriously. More is the pity.

    And really, Hillary could have perhaps had it if she had so much as taken her gimme job of Sec State seriously. But she did not. She went home early while her diplomats died. She was told to not permit old Sidney access to the State Department and she did it anyway. And the email server... and the lies... so many lies.

    We'll see where this goes... The FBI is furious at the lack of prosecution... obstruction from the "Justice" Department is going to have long term consequences if it is understood that the law bends in the favor of any party in power.

    Really... we're getting nearer and nearer the moment where we just rip each other's eyes out of our heads from spite. And all because some people have a hard time with democracy.

    Oh well... We shall see where this goes. Regardless... I shall enjoy the fires.

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    1. Re:Its fun watching the Clinton Dynasty burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey kid. You love to bitch about how much you hate the AC. Well, the sound board is open, courtesy of the new owners here. Why don't you go over there and make your case for ending the AC? You think it's a terrible thing, maybe the new owners will be sympathetic to your tears.

  46. You are part of the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The impeachment was not about sex. Sex was not an article of the impeachment. James Carville and Paul Begalla et al helped the Democrats re-frame the issue as "about sex" in order to deflect the public and invalidate the mess to protect the Clinton presidency - and they succeeded. Gullible idiots like you who continue to carry the water for that highly-orchestrated political spin are why it still works.

    Bill Clinton got elected, in part, by pretending to be a great advocate for women. Part of this was his support for a bill, which he eventually signed into law, that made it so any American man dragged into court and accused of sexual harassment could be forced to testify under oath about all details of his entire sexual history and be harshly punished for any perjury. Unfortunately for Bill Clinton, he had left a decades-long trail of women in his wake and one of them in particular decided to use his own law against him.

    When Bill Clinton got dragged into court by Paula Jones and HIS OWN LAW was applied to him, he lied. By his own law, he was to be severely punished. This was the core of the problem. A President of the United States made himself above the very law he had signed, like some old pre-Magna Carta European monarch. As chief of the executive branch, who is responsible for throwing people into prison for lying under oath in court, he lied under oath in court.

    Unlike Republicans in the Nixon era, who honorably joined with their political opponents to get rid of one of their own, the Democrats of the Clinton era joined circles and announce they would not get rid of Bill, no matter what. In doing so, they assured that no President of either party will ever again face impeachment since the GOP will never again be chumps who assume the Democrats are honorable.

    Had the Democrats only upheld the rule of law and joined in impeaching Clinton:

    1. Al Gore would have automatically become president

    2. George W Bush would not have been elected in 2000

    3. The Iraq war would not have happened

    4. Had he done well, Gore would have served his second term from 2000 to 2004 and all subsequent political events would be different:

    (4a) Sarah Palin would not have been John McCain's 2008 running mate and therefore would have remained a little-known Alaska governor with a good reputation for fighting corruption in both parties.

    (4b) Impeachment would still be a check on all Presidents to keep them from going rogue

    (4c) Obama would not have been elected in 2008, and therefore would not have destroyed any semblance of bipartisanship in Washington DC by announcing "I won, you lost" and ramming through healthcare and a doubling of the national debt and tens of thousands of pages of new regulations with NO Republican input.

    (4d) The Democrats in Washington DC would still have honor and more Republicans would be willing to trust them in political deals

    (4e) Trump would be planning more hotels and renewing his reality TV contracts

    5. Race relations would be better because:

    (5a) Obama would not have charged into every already dicey race-related police issue and boosted the racial issues for his own political benefit and without any positive contribution

    (5b) Obama supporters would not have spent the past 7 years accusing everybody who disagrees with Democrat policies of being a racists who only opposes because Obama is black.

    (5c) Black America might not have been so severely harmed by Obama's total disregard for the borders and the resulting crushing of the employment market for young minority AMERICAN CITIZENS in favor of cheap imported illegal aliens.

    Other interesting things that would be different:

    1. When the orbiter Columbia was lost, rather than deciding to replace the shuttles with a monster rocket and getting bogged-down in it, and then in a political fight to replace it with SLS (and Bush43 + Obama have done), the X-33 SSTO program championed by Gore would likely have been put on steroids.

    2. Global climate stuff championed by Gore would be better supported by the White House

    1. Re:You are part of the problem by Ferretman · · Score: 1

      While I don't entirely agree with all of your conclusions, you do paint a fascinating "what if" picture.

      Well done sir.

      Ferret

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  47. It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Democrats would vote for Satan, if he was running on the DNC ticket. Horns could literally be start growing out of her head, and she would still get 90%+ of the democratic vote.

  48. Too late for Warren to jump in... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    unless she wanted to run as an independent ala Ralph Nader.

    She has to be at or near the top of the list of potential VP choices for Sanders, however....

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  49. Should Be Edited as False by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    None of the information was labeled as classified or classified when she received it. It later became classified. Prior to being classified, she could have put it on TV for all the world to see without breaking any rules or laws. Further, most of the information was distributed throughout the department so that hundreds of employees read the so-called classified information. It seems that people like the CIA and the military posted the information and forgot to control or label its release. Her enemies are trying to create another false issue just as they did with Obama's birth certificates. The right wing is ultra dangerous and are trying to overthrow the US government.

    1. Re: Should Be Edited as False by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      None of the information was labeled as classified or classified when she received it. It later became classified.

      The first statement you made is true. The second is not supported by the facts.

      Whether a document is marked classified has no bearing on whether or not it is classified.

      The right wing is ultra dangerous and are trying to overthrow the US government.

      Bernie 2016.

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  50. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you fuck yourself? Is that something you enjoy?

  51. It's not just the emails by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

    It is the whole package

    Benghazi
    Her "Charitable" foundation
    Her questionable financial supporters
    Her claims of doing the people's interest when she is obviously a right wing (republican?)
    (I have always insisted that the left wing exists only to do the right wings dirty work)
    Her obvious lying, She is a proven bull shit artist of collossal magnatude
    Then you add the email crap which (whether or not it was treasonous) was a complete security violation.

    Do not distract yourself arguing single components of top secret communications, look at the big picture and the mentality/attitude behind it.
    Is this who you want steering the ship?

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  52. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes and there we have it. The TRUTH burns, it burns so very badly. The absolute best the Liberal Intelligentsia can do is this:

    Fuck off troll.

    It happens every time these so-called elites are caught in their own non-logic and lies. For example, Hillary collecting and directing a team of degenerates to attack all the Bimbo Eruptions are quite the norm in their sad cognitive dissonance driven "world."

    Bill Clinton proved that rape is perfectly okay with Ol' Bernie Sanders, and Liberals, as long as it is a liberal doing the raping.

  53. Smear campaign? He did sexually harass interns... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > The impeachment (and subsequent acquittal) of her husband was clearly part of a smear campaign.

    The impeachment was because he weaseled his way out of admitting to having sexual activity with interns in a sexual harassment lawsuit by one of the interns. He managed to finagle a definition of "sex" that may not include "shoving a cigar into Monica's pussy" by demanding to know exactly what sex means (and what "is" means, for that matter).

    This was kinda relevant because it really appears that he was pressuring women under his command for sex (using the ordinary meaning of the word). But instead of becoming a monster of rape culture, he's a hero of the progressives because they blame the Republicans for sending him loose women or something? He got disbarred for that because even lawyers think that what he did in court, under oath was disreputable.

    Sure, the impeachment was political, but that doesn't mean he did no wrong. And Democrats united to keep one of their own who pressures women under their command for sexual activities in the workplace. You can't tell me that if they didn't have self-interest in keeping him that he wouldn't have been a monster rapist for trying to use his position of power to push women down.

  54. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Alypius · · Score: 2

    If you don't want the Times, fine. How about CNN?

  55. Re:The people here defending her are the problem.. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but very few, if any, of Hillary's supporters were not already Hillary supporters when Trump entered the race. Which means, they thought Hillary was a GOOD choice to be President before there were any other candidates.

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  56. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    During this Q&A with Hillary, she laughed and said that one of the e-mails that is now being classified was of someone sending her a New York Times article. How could it be classified if it was in the newspaper?

    If you had a family member working for the feds, and tried to have a real conversation with them about Edward Snowden, you wouldn't have asked that question.

  57. It was about lying to a judge, lost law license by drnb · · Score: 1

    The impeachment (and subsequent acquittal) of her husband was clearly part of a smear campaign. It is of no interest to anyone but Bill's wife into whose mouth he puts his cock.

    (1) The impeachment was over lying to a judge in court while under oath. That it always illegal. It doesn't matter the topic.

    (2) He was not acquitted. As part of the plea bargain he agreed to various terms including the surrendering of his license to practice law.

    1. Re:It was about lying to a judge, lost law license by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Appears debatable. He seems to me to have been acquited. What you're describing appear to be a contempt of court citation which led to a five-year suspension of his Arkansas law license, which had certain other ramifications.

    2. Re:It was about lying to a judge, lost law license by drnb · · Score: 1

      Appears debatable. He seems to me to have been acquited. What you're describing appear to be a contempt of court citation which led to a five-year suspension of his Arkansas law license, which had certain other ramifications.

      His contempt of court charge was for lying to a judge while under oath which was also what he was impeached for. He accepted a plea. He lost his law license. He was not acquitted in a legal venue, in a courtroom. What 'acquittal' he had was in a political venue, the Senate, where the issue is more about removal from office than deciding guilt or innocence. So there was no 'acquittal' in an innocence sense, just a lack of interest in removal from office, again, a political thing not a legal thing.

  58. I thought this was News for Nerds, not Faux Noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two political gossip threads on the front page. *facepalm*

  59. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (1) The first sentence of the article straight up says she denies doing what you've accused her of.

    Oh. Well, okay then! Yanno, Nixon said the same thing.

    (2) The article explains that it is completely normal to remove the classified parts of a document in order to declassify the rest of it.

    Sure, but nowhere in the discussion is there any mention of declassifying the document in question. She just told her minion to get rid of those pesky "TOP SECRET" markings and send it via gmail. Little bit of a difference there, sparky.

    (3) The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies - they are not a reputable news organization.

    Not especially relevant, since a simple Google search resulted in CBS as the first hit. Hardly a bastion of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.

  60. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by cold+fjord · · Score: 1
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  61. Re:Private Email Server Torture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I understand your problem - you are badly confused.

    Prisoners of War are not entitled to trials. The US didn't torture anyone. (It water boards its own pilots and special forces and that isn't torture.) Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest will never go to jail for prosecuting a war against international terrorists making war against the US.

    If you "DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS STORY" then go comment on one that you do. The rest of us are interested in it, so move along.

  62. Re:Charge her with treason by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    They were not classified when she dealt with them.
    Why do you post false information?

    A document isn't classified because it's mark as such. It's classified because of the material it contains. Please ask anyone who's ever dealt with it...you clearly haven't. I have.

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  63. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now there's an unimpeachable source: The Washington Times! I wonder what Fox News has to say on this point?

  64. Re:I wish news organizations would press her harde by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Hillary gave a press release somewhere (I can't find the link) shortly after that revelation where she said that cleaning the emails of their classified parts so that the unclassified portions could be distributed was a common practice, and her aide knew exactly what she meant. Her "remove heading" wording was merely shorthand, according to her, and that the aide was a fastidious person when it came to knowing how to clean per guidelines.

  65. Re:Charge her with treason by bhiestand · · Score: 1

    They were not classified when she dealt with them.
    Why do you post false information?

    Your lie has been debunked at least a thousand times on slashdot. Why do you keep reposting it?

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  66. You seem to be rather dense, Sir. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    Trump's hair is an insult to "straight white Christian males". His overall appearance is an insult. Every time I look at the clown, I want to either puke, or laugh. He doesn't have to say a damned word to insult me - he exists, and that is insult enough.

    All the same, his blathering makes more sense than that of any other nominee.

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  67. Uh, yeah, so... by emag · · Score: 1

    As much as I dislike Hillary (and the Clintons, in general), and with the experience I have with classified materials... *If* the information was classified long after the fact, I'm finding it hard to fault her (and this pains me to say). If it was classified at the time it was recorded, however, she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as *anyone* read into a Secret, Top Secret, or any SCI (or higher) classification signs an NDA with the US Government, with serious consequences. Just look at Snowden, who has no political ties. Same consequences should apply if she knowingly let at-the-time classified data be stored on systems that weren't cleared for it...

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  68. Re:Charge her with treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were not classified when she dealt with them.
    Why do you post false information?

    That is simply a LIE. Image that, coming from a Hillary campaign worker. She "shows the way" doesn't she.

    Hillary striped the classified designations off the documents before sending them on to her private email server. You know, clintononline.com. Doing that alone is a federal crime. The investigation simply found these documents and now the squawking drones are claiming it's all "retroactive." Bull.

  69. EO 13526 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Admittedly, this only applied after 29-December-2009, so anything prior to that would need to be considered in light of EO 13292...

    Nonetheless, there's not much discussion of the Secretary of State's responsibilities as a delegated classification authority.

    Does being a delegated classification authority merely allow classification of information, or does it impose a requirement to classify information appropriately?

    I suspect that the intent (and likely the wording) is the latter. In that case, when information has its classification upgraded after the fact, does that mean the responsible delegated classification authority was amiss in their responsibilities?

    Finally, aren't some types of information "born classified", and aren't there general guidelines to this in EO 13292 and/or EO 13526?

  70. Does Netcraft confirm it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well?

  71. SIPRNET by Eosi · · Score: 1

    I am at a loss, since it said in one report she received Top Secret emails. IF they were classified as Top Secret, then they would have to be on the SIPRNET, which cannot email NIPRNET or the Internet. So if that is the case, HOW did the emails get to her own server on the internet? If she was sending, and they were classified as Top Secret, who did she send to the SIPRNET? Not condoning her actions or anything else supporting or bashing her. I am merely curious how this connection worked, since they are defied as to NOT be connected.

  72. Re:The people here defending her are the problem.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair, people are generally voting against the political party they fear altogether. If the mass rapist and murderer is the only candidate strong enough to oppose whomever the feared party will nominate, then that's who the voters must settle on.

  73. Please -- all were "classified" after the fact by pghmike4 · · Score: 1

    Please, none of the emails were classified at the time they were sent. These "charges" are all just political noise by people who'd rather see the Republicans running against Bernie Sanders.

  74. Ugh. by Lotharus · · Score: 2

    I'm sure I'm not the first to say this on this article...why the fudge isn't Hillary in jail? Average Joe Citizen does anything even remotely like this and he'd be disappeared in a hurry...