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Hillary Clinton Used BleachBit To Wipe Emails (neowin.net)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Neowin: The open-source disk cleaning application, BleachBit, got quite a decent ad pitch from the world of politics after it was revealed lawyers of the presidential hopeful, Hillary Clinton, used the software to wipe her email servers. Clinton is currently in hot water, being accused of using private servers for storing sensitive emails. "[South Carolina Representative, Trey Gowdy, spoke to Fox News about Hillary Clinton's lawyers using BleachBit to wipe the private servers. He said:] 'She and her lawyers had those emails deleted. And they didn't just push the delete button; they had them deleted where even God can't read them. They were using something called BleachBit. You don't use BleachBit for yoga emails or bridesmaids emails. When you're using BleachBit, it is something you really do not want the world to see.'" Two of the main features that are listed on the BleachBit website include "Shred files to hide their contents and prevent data recovery," and "Overwrite free disk space to hide previously deleted files." These two features would make it pretty difficult for anyone trying to recover the deleted emails.
Slashdot reader ahziem adds: The IT team for presidential candidate Hillary Clinton used the open source cleaning software BleachBit to wipe systems "so even God couldn't read them," according to South Carolina Rep. Trey Gowdy on Fox News. His comments on the "drastic cyber-measure" were in response to the question of whether emails on her private Microsoft Exchange Server were simply about "yoga and wedding plans." Perhaps Clinton's team used an open-source application because, unlike proprietary applications, it can be audited, like for backdoors. In response to the Edward Snowden leaks in 2013, privacy expert Bruce Schneier advised in an article in which he stated he also uses BleachBit, "Closed-source software is easier for the NSA to backdoor than open-source software." Ironically, Schneier was writing to a non-governmental audience. Have any Slashdotters had any experience with BleachBit? Specifically, have you used it for erasing "yoga emails" or "bridesmaids emails?"
Can it not just be December already, this mud flinging is showing up in places it shouldn't
You are already dead!
VOTE TRUMP 2016
OR DIE
I really can't find something to bitch about here. Sure, Clinton sucks, but the big knock against her and her email server was that she wasn't secure enough with it. Then, when she does do something secure, the knock is "See, she is so secure she must be hiding something!" Sorry, you can't bitch when she isn't secure and then bitch when she is. Was she hiding stuff? Most probably, since all politicians are. Do I trust her? Not a chance. But you can't set up a now in scenario as your reason for not liking her. You can't bitch about insecurity and then bitch about too much security at the same time.
"Information wants to be expensive" - Stewart Brand, the same guy who said "Information wants to be free"
Why is this being portrayed like she did it because she had something to hide?
This is the responsible thing to do.
Trump is only running to prevent a realistic republican from running against Hillary because, otherwise, very few would support her because of her behavior.
Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
I used DBAN routinely in 7 wipe mode. I'd be surprised had she not chosen something like that in spite of the cloth remark.
But any time you stop using a hard drive you should clean it. I have probably 6 hard drives on a shelf in my house because I've replaced them with larger or faster drives. Each one has had the free space randomized twice and then set to all zeros afterward. Bank info, taxes, official (unclassified) work files, all of those have been on them in some variety at some points, and if they are ever disposed, I don't want any of that to be easily recoverable. I have never used it to destroy evidence when it was requested by investigators, as I am not a wealthy and powerful person, I would end up incriminating myself by doing so.
and make bernie the candidate. He has better chances at winning against mr trump and he wants to do real change.
But I can say that something like this isn't too surprising, assuming you hired a lawyer with a brain in his/her head. They really like the idea of deleting evidence that could be used against you in a court of law, if they're hired to work FOR you.
This is why businesses are being pushed to start purging all of their employee's email on a regular basis. They want to preserve that plausible deniability and ensure some former employee didn't say something in a company email you weren't aware of that winds up costing you $'s in a lawsuit.
If this is an attempt to discuss if Clinton is guilty of anything or not with running her own private mail server? I think the answer to that is really pretty obvious.... Yes, of course she is. If any of us worked for an employer who provided us with a company email system for use with company-related things and we just decided to conduct business via our personal Gmail accounts, or some home-brew Linux server? How long do you think we'd stay employed there once that was realized? In a case like hers, it's only magnified as a problem because we KNOW she was allowed to handle classified content in her mail. So the hunt is on to prove she actually possessed some of that on this unofficial server. And if her lawyers did their jobs properly, there won't be much concrete proof that she did so, or at least that she ever accessed it once it was sent out. That doesn't make her less guilty though .... just smart enough to dodge some legal repercussions for her behavior.
If the server used an SSD, the trim or SSD internal cleanup routines would have scrubbed the empty blocks too. Would that also be news?
This is fantastically low quality shit for a Slashdot post. Really. It's an SC Republican talking to Fox news about Hillary, hoping to stir up a Benghazi 2.0.
This isn't tech news. It's to bait.
The level of wiping was tremendous, but the crazy part is her sniffing dismissal of it. "What, like with a cloth"? The funny part is how much was recovered from third parties, and how it has made literally everything she said about emails into a lie.
Really, I thought it was with a cloth?
Implying that using wiping software is automatically suspicious is shameful.
This should be accepted as common practice which implies nothing suspicious. If you don't want certain data anymore, whether it's inconsequential or not, it SHOULD be wiped-out. If I want the data deleted, then I want to to be gone, whether it's sensitive financial data or a 19-byte file named phpinfo.php.
There's plenty of other facets of the story to latch-onto, whether legitimate or overblown. But this one is not valid.
This is akin to a prosecutor making the argument that you are guilty of something just because "history | grep shred" returns more than a single result. Bullshit.
It's nice to see our next President turning over a new leaf and following DOD standards for data destruction.
No wonder her IT guy ran to the FBI for immunity the moment he could.
Hillary Clinton co-mingled personal and official government communications on her private email server. All of those communications are subject to the Federal Records Act and the Freedom of Information Act.
Her personal emails ceased to be personal when she co-mingled them with official government communications. HRC and her lawyers were not authorized to decide what is relevant to FRA and FOIA and what is not.
HRC and her lawyers deleted 30,000 or so emails that are not recoverable - therefore she is in violation of both the FRA and FOIA.
HRC should be, at the very least, in front of a jury to answer for her actions.
The media needs to get over it.
People store data in dumb places all the time, they ignore company policies they specifically agree to once a year. Why? Because its convenient, and at the time no thought is given to its potential implications so its ok.
Perhaps if the govt had of offered reasonable IT services, users wouldnt have to operate their own email servers to get their jobs done?
If we have a story about a politician talking reasonably correctly about a technical topic, I have to question the source. I'm fairly sure that Trey Gowdy is not a BleachBit contributor. Who told him all this information and where's the supporting evidence?
She & Bill have been protected, since they were in Arkansas. Look how many people connected to them have met with "accidents". Count is up around 100 by now. This election is a farce. She was already picked. Trump got into the election to steal the spotlight from any other Republican candidate. He is called to a meeting with Bill before he even considered running, then all of a sudden runs for president. The Clinton's and Trump's have been friends for DECADES. Wouldn't surprise me if he drops out at the last minute. About the only thing that will stop Hillary from becoming the president, is if she has a major stroke, or drops dead before being nominated, sadly. We the people are just pawns in this nation anymore. We are too preoccupied with Pokemon, "reality" tv, hollywood fanism than what is going on. Plus, our education system in the USA is to politically correct and has a couple generations of SHEEP, that believe all that is bad with this nation is capitalism, white privilege etc, and have been lead on a path to socialism by the (un)education system, who is nothing more than a bunch of grown up 60's radicals.
BleachBit.
... cleaning up after themselves. If it had been a man, he'd have just fsk'd the drive and used it for a minecraft server.
That Might be News to a Senator. But why is it News on Slashdot?
Her Admin did exactly what he was supposed to do.
Option two would be to Hit it with a hammer.
This was the option the Bush white house chose.
That should be the new line.
Did you wipe the old drives?
Yup, Event God can't get the Data.Good Job.
I regularly use something to overwrite/erase files, and overwrite/erase free space on hard drives of machines I use; does that automatically make ME a criminal?
DISCLAIMER: I am NOT voting for Clinton.. I am also NOT voting for Trump.. but I AM VOTING. WHO I am voting for is nobody's damn business, so DON'T EVEN GO THERE, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SUBJECT.
Now, then.. just because she used BleachBit doesn't mean she is or is NOT a criminal or committed a criminal act. If I were running an email server for my personal use I'd probably overwrite/delete on it occasionally, too.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Proper data hygiene isn't reserved just for things that you "don't want the world to see".
At my previous employer, it was standard practice to use shred whenever we decommissioned our Linux servers. We didn't see what was running on them first, or if it was worth shredding, you just did it. What a ridiculous argument.
Next up, anyone who has a paper shredder at home is up to no good! What are all you people hiding!
Powell used an aol account.
He did NOT put a private server in his house!
Same for Rice. Powell used it for non-state NON-classified business.
Hillary has lied so many times about this server, is is clear to any hones observer that she was hiding activities of corruption with the Clinton foundation and did not want FOIA to discover her activities.
Hillary was supposed to have government archivists sort through the mails, not her personal attorneys. That was a violation of the federal records act.
She had classified information on the server, despite assertions that she did not- caught in another lie.
She said all work related mails were turned over. Another lie- the FBI found thousands of work related mails not turned over, including classified.
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Have any Slashdotters had any experience with BleachBit? Specifically, have you used it for erasing "yoga emails" or "bridesmaids emails?"
No, srm works fine for deleting things locally. As for email, secure erasure wouldn't help much; it's stored by Google so the NSA already has it.
I don't know a thing about his positions, but Trey Gowdy looks like the ultimate caricature of a goober. Everytime I see him on teevee, my eyes cross because my mind is trying to unwarp his features to something somewhat resembling a normal human, as opposed to a muppet that has melted from being out in the sun too long.
And why does congress allow him to do those things to his hair that he does? Every month it's some new abomination against haberdashery.
If they used BleachBit, then where did they FBI get its last batch of emails from?
Maybe the Clinton's wouldn't be so paranoid if it wasn't for the constant attacks their under. Because anything can be taken out of context it's better to hide everything. That's why politicians are so careful with what they say and do in public and why they hide so much of themselves.
Just used it today got back almost a gigabyte ..
god can't read them because he doesn't exist.
This article would matter if they mentioned what distro she was using, that was running Tor.
Half here meetings and calls with non-governmental people were Clinton foundation donors.
This is reported in the AP yesterday.
Now if we had a fair investigation, we might find out what transpired in these meetings and what favors were discussed.
There is a lot of appearance of conflict of interest and impropriety. (like the uranium mining deals and the Haiti gold mining deals for here relative)
Pretty much since the days of dos undelete anyone with a cyber-IQ greater than that of a toadstool knows that extra measures are needed to "really delete" a file. I'd have to say that the spin in this slashdot summary is about the sleaziest political sludge I've seen flung here in a long time. How Orwellian is it that slashdot makes their target audience sound like orwellian un-knowledgeables who are so clueless as to not understand the cyber significance of the 30 year old 'undelete' command? Really? The answer to your rhetorical bullshit is yes- I "really undelete" my personal information from computers. I also have enough of a sense of humor to have giggled when I heard Hillary make the "what, like with a cloth" comment. I mean holy shit, how hilarious was that?
Anybody who reads stuff like this and still votes for this bitch is a moron.
I shake my head reading comments from rabid Hillary supporters who see nothing wrong with not only deleting emails AFTER an FBI investigation has begun, but then using BleachBit to make sure they can never be recovered. Interesting too that I never hear about backups. Were these servers ever backed up? Were the backups destroyed too?
If this were a private non-Democratic supporter they'd already be found guilty of destroying evidence.
What's the most interesting is the human psychology involved in excusing any behavior of a politician an individual supports. As Trump once said tongue-in-cheek that he could shoot someone and his supporters would still support him. It is obvious that statement is not tongue-in-cheek for Hillary's supporters on SlashDot.
If by God, you mean the NSA.
Already stored on the relay device reads collected.
So it is available, even if they tell you it isn't.
And they can recover it from the physical disks. It's just a lot harder.
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Yes it does, read the laws. There is a Navy person who facing 20 years to life for disposing of a phone which had his picture while inside the sub. That is one of the more extreme cases, but it's literally a Web Search to prove you are wrong (shill?) Intent comes in to play _only_ for the penalty.
When I need data unrecoverable, I use dd. You don't really need anything else. /dev/zero and /dev/zero | tr '\000' '\377', do until you get bored or start getting errors...
Of course, if I only ran Windows, I guess I wouldn't have many choices.
You don't really need to know any more than this to know that the server was not secure. There are exactly 0 ISPs, including Microsoft, who use Exchange as the first layer for email processing. They are insecure and should never, ever, be exposed directly to the Internet. Now now and especially not using the versions of NT and Exchange the people she hired used.
ALL commercial 'security' product are vetted and compromised by the NSA in the USA. There is a very good reason the NSA spent HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars undermining the reputation of Truecrypt by buying editorial opinion on tech sites like this one, and paying off certain key devs to walk away from the project. Truecrypt lived up to its reputation (and still does), so it was essential as many sheeple as possible were discouraged from using it.
Commercial file delete programs 'accidently' ON PURPOSE do their very best to leave files in a recoverable state. No informed governmental agency would ever use them. But on most common storage devices, the code required to do a secure wipe is quite trivial to create.
Sites like Slashdot have repeatedly spread the lie that the NSA has 'magic' tech that can recover properly deleted files (which, by definition, would require the storage device to have at least TWICE the data capacity that it claims- but most sheeple are very poor at maths so miss this obvious disproof of the claim). The reason for this FUD is that people are less likely to bother with proper security if they think it is a waste of time anyway- the major psyop the NSA usues to lessen security in general.
That America's greatest living warmonger, Hitlery Clinton, knows how to properly erase her files should come as no surprise.
You heard it here first, slashdotters.
Playing games with investigators and not giving them all the evidence they are requesting (and being powerful enough to get away with it) is now 'being responsible'.
You like data security right? Well Hillary's data is super secure now that it has been destroyed using BleachBit! Nothing to see here, misogirapist shitlords!
Went from thinking wiping a computer means cleaning it with a rag to secure deletion and destruction. Hrmmm, those Video Professor DVDs taught her a lot in such a short time span.
You should be securely erasing your emails, even if they just contain the password to your favorite forum, let alone if they contain sensitive communications to the secretary of state.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Just how blatantly obviously criminal does Hi-liar-y have to get before enough of the brainwashed American masses finally start to figure it out and she becomes unelectable?
I mean at some point even her levels of dirty money can't pay off the obviously corrupt US legal system to keep her out of jail any longer right?
Riiiiiight
https://youtu.be/4MaoNDzZ8Mw
I'm here to sign up for the girls doing yoga email list!
But being the Clintons, aggressive Foxnews-like snoops would love to get their hands on yoga and bridesmaids info also. Look how many conservatives sites are claiming a health conspiracy. Why give conspiracy nuts more fuel? They'll weave yoga into their narrative also.
Table-ized A.I.
1. She put classified info on a private unsecured server where it was vulnerable, contrary to the law which she was fully advised of upon taking office.
2. She did all her work through that server, hiding it from all 3 government branches (congressional oversight, executive oversight, and the courts) and public FOIA requests.
3. When the material was sought by the courts and congress, she and the state department people lied under oath claiming the material did not exist (perhaps Nixon cronies should have all lied about tapes existing).
4. After her people knew the material was being sought, the server's files were transferred (by private IT people w/o clearances) to her lawyers (no clearances).
5. She and her lawyers deleted over 30000 e-mails, claiming they were only about yoga and her daughter's wedding dress (Nixon cut a few minutes of tape).
6. They then wiped the files with bit bleach (a step not needed for yoga or wedding dress e-mails). (Nixon did not degauss all his tapes)
7. They handed the wiped server to the FBI, and hillary publicly played ignorant with her "with a CLOTH?" comment (absolute iin-you-face arrogance against the rule of law) (Nixon did not hand tape recorders with erased tapes to the FBI)
Prove you are sincere, and not a total unprincipled partisan hack:
Are you a Nixon supporter?
Would you accept this behavior from Donald Trump or Dick Cheney?
hiding documents that belong to the federal government (all her work product and classified info) and that are being sought by the US Congress (which the Constitution authorizes to oversee executive branch employees like the Secretary of State) and by the courts and by citizens filing FOIA requests?
Nice try at being supposedly non-partisan, but the only people trying to justify or downplay this total disregard for the law are hard-core Hillary supporters. The FBI said they'd pursue any person other than Hillary who did this. Anybody for democracy or open government or honest government is repulsed by this and would never support a person like this being anywhere near government power again, other than in a striped or orange jumpsuit of course.
Hillary Clinton's IT guy purchased an MS Exchange hosting contract from Platte River. The standard package came with a periodic backup to a Datto appliance, which takes snapshots of the Windows disk image several times a day. The appliance copies the snapshot to Datto's data center in real time. You can erase or even destroy the Windows machine drives and still use the snapshots to restore the disks to the snapshot of the time and date of your chosing.
The FBI confiscated the appliance from Platte River and seized the server from Datto. They have all the emails she sent and received since the start of her State Department tenure.
Nixon was a great guy who was just being paranoid?
Remember: [a] Nixon had the election stolen from him in 1960 when dead people were found to have voted in both Illinois and Texas and JFK was by the skin of his teeth [b] Nixon had no knowledge of or involvement in the Watergate break-in - he just worked like mad to cover it up when he learned of it and was worried it would destroy his presidency
Another note: Hillary was a young lawyer working on the Democrat side in the Nixon impeachment. She was denounced by even fellow Democrats for insisting that Nixon did not even deserve access to defense lawyers and she was ultimately kicked-off the team for stealing and hiding documents. She has been playing unethical games with documents since the 1970s and knows EXACTLY what she is doing. Such a person should NEVER be allowed near power.
I'm NOT advocating for Trump. He is, sadly, the only real option left. As loathsome and crude as he may be, he has never abused government authority and power, whereas Hillary has been doing this stuff for decades, including when she hid documents in the White House residence from the courts while she was First Lady.
"Noblesse Obleach"
Very funny video that lays out the case for Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
"You don't use BleachBit for yoga emails or bridesmaids emails."
Why yes I do, I use it for the most benign shit constantly, because it's easy and automatic. I only archive and preserve the stuff I care about.
Twinstiq, game news
Vote Jill not Hill 2016.
Step it up, melt your hard drives and SAN arrays if you want data to be really destroyed.
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Have any Slashdotters had any experience with BleachBit?
I have no experience with BleachBit. I have, however, experience a constant stream of Fox New headlines for many many years, announcing horrible things that Democrats did, or did not do, or horrible things about to come because of Democrats, or horrible things--like indictments--will be happening very soon to a Democrat.
Some of these have actually happened!
God bless Charlie Sykes.
The majority of harddrives on the market today are of the magnetic type. To store information, they magnetically orient a cluster of thousands of magnetically responsive material. What this means is that, even after using disk erasure software, some of these magnets do not change orientation, thus a history of previous content remains on the disk. It is just a matter of getting sensitive reading equipment and big data analysis to recover the majority of the disk content. That content could also include many layers of data from multiple years.
The only secure drive, is a molten metal one.
of everything she has done wrong, and the relentless pursuit of "where's there's smoke there's fire" witchhunting without any substantial evidence has got me convinced that this really is a witchhunt.
I wasn't too excited about her before, but at this point, I'm positively thrilled.
meanwhile the fake billionaire who wants to instutionalize racism gets far less negative press. i haven't seen or heard one interview that's gone after the Trump campaign morons with 1/2 the gusto i've seen that they go after the most trivial details of what Clinton has allegedly done.
if she can put up with all this bullshit she deserves the job, she's definitely got the temperment for it.
Absolute statements are never true
The Clinton email scandal has been overhyped. You all know what the top secret info actually was, right? Seven drone strikes that were public knowledge and a conversation with the president of Malawi. If this info had leaked, it might have meant exactly nothing. There was no security risk to the USA.
It is mind-boggling that all of this effort has been spent hyperventilating about the "top secret" emails, and almost no one except Kaplan in his Slate article have bothered to write about the actual information content of the emails.
So, if we're bringing religion into this, then God who made man, who made computers, who also made software, created something that would make it so God "Himself" couldn't read the information anymore? But then God is supposedly all-powerful and all-knowing. Yet he can't read deleted data.
So computers and software > Christian God. Neat.
(Hat tip stealing your shit from zerohedge today!)
Ghost of Porky Handful of Dust Aug 26, 2016 5:33 PM
Bleachbit Free Version - erases your hard drive.
Bleachbit Advanced - $99 - erases hard drive and scrubs internet history.
Bleachbit Pro - $1,999,999 - erases hard drive, scrubs internet, and threatens the life of the FBI director.
Bleachbit Enterprise - $call us for licensing - erases hard drive, scrubs internet, threatens the FBI director and goes through your personal contacts "removing" any who have information on you.
if you add in bitcoin, you have the framework for an assassination based direct democracy.
On the other side, before you start screaming at me for provocative suggestions, ask yourself why your not pissed off at the 10 trillion rockefellas, or the 600 trillion rothchilds. What infestation to the MIC has this taken? How many dead people kilt there? bite your fucking tongue now!
Shifting gear, Just some side issues take LEARNING, hell if I had $1000 bucks I could do quite a bit of electronics work/experimentation hardware pushing myself soldering and doing SDR, but I don't have the money. These rothchild banker guys do. They simply type a fucking number on a screen and it's so.
Why not teaching electronics in school? this fuckign commie core sht is why.
I have a show, It's decent, I do my own website it suffers from lack of my OWN time, I do my own editing, my own mixing of multi-camera shots, I promote bands, I create jingles from scratch, I also play music myself, I am in a band also, I also create music videos, but again I don't have 600 trillion, I am not EMI! I could be pretty damn good, but for lack of funding, want to upgrade my ass from SD to HD across the board? Three new reds and several boxen with dual xenons? didn't think so. I am not greedy, I never ASKED the public for jack shit, I won't, I won't ask to be UNDERWRITTEN either!!!
I see mainstream leg crosser people on tv, they are clueless how much work it is to have a fucking show, sometimes you can throw money at something and fix it, while I can't fix the TIME spent, I certainly could upgrade the QUALITY of the production --making the bands and labels happier too as a side effect. You know the MUSIC I love.. not the fucking shitty ass war news and unconstitutional shit laws getting passed each fucking day, or the bad diet they push on us, no wonder your A1C is so high, all that fuckign sugar--Fuck Dr Phil, Dr Oz, your on the path for a STENT bitch especially if you can not see your dick. But the IRONY is if you ate clean food without the POISONS. you would NOT NEED OBAMACARE AT ALL.
I look at studios like CBS or NBC and others, and only wonder what a little small internet patriot show (I could name a lot) could turn things around if they only had access to the same resources, ending these damn lies, confronting treason and putting the rule of law and the USA first, bringing down the traitors, stopping these false flag wars. If you funded these small guys the big guys would become irrelevant, if not exposed themself as corrupt gatekeepers.
Time to grow up
Quit Drinking
Quit smoking
Quit eating like shit go on the fucking wheat belly diet, and stop BUYING HFCS - fucking fighting it in the courts, fight it with your fucking wallet.
Challenge TREASON where you can
Boycott STUPID you can't fix STUPID and STUPID WILL KILL
I've come to the conclusion that Trump was intended to be a dummy candidate, someone so bad it would drive voters to Hillary. Someone who otherwise had too many dirty secrets to succeed against a real Republican candidate. (let's face it, in US federal politics, a third party or independent candidate really doesn't have a chance) What we're left with is two candidates, both horribly distasteful choices for President.
I think US voters should either vote for any other 3rd party candidate or, easier still, don't vote at all Don't attend rallies for either party, refuse to donate or have a sign on your lawn. Totally sit this election out!
As the great American philosopher George Carlin said:
I would go further than that to say it would be your patriotic duty to not vote for someone as manifestly unfit as either of these two...."people". IN fact, you might even consider it your civic duty to persuade as many people as you can to sit it out as well. I just wonder at the reactions when you go door to door buttonholing people to do the nothing many of them were going to do anyway...
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I'm not a Hillary fan. Really, I'm not. Still - let's look at this objectively. The two criticisms about Hillary's email server: 1) Not secure enough for the sensitive State Department emails it carried. 2) Wiped with extreme prejudice before any so-called "good guys" could look at it. Now ... if the servers DID contain sensitive data that mustn't be leaked, wouldn't it be a GOOD thing to wipe them thoroughly when they were no longer to be used?
What's more, if that data actually WAS leaked - then even melting the hard drives to slag would do nothing to un-leak it. If those emails ARE "in the wild" then they CAN still be recovered. If they WEREN'T leaked - then concerns about the server's security were unfounded.
What's more, every email has, after all, both a sender and a recipient. If Hillary was the ONLY one using a non-government-approved device, then copies of her emails should all be preserved on the devices of the people with whom she corresponded, no?
Lastly: everyone who reads Slashdot knows **perfectly** well that hard-drive scrubbers are widely available, inexpensive, and ROUTINELY used to purge the contents of media whose "secrets" are no more sinister than the original user's credit card numbers and their nude selfies. I never discard media without doing a multi-pass wipe; reading any meaning into the specific software used for the wipe is REALLY reaching.
I am a lawyer and think this kind of thing would be a serious crime - obstruction of justice - if an investigation were ongoing at the time and the goal was to prevent investigators from accessing the emails.
Hillary Clinton will be President. Get over it. All those who wrote and published articles and blog posts against her will then regret opposing her. The internet does not forget (unless ordered by those who matter) and neither do the Rulers.
I used to work at a major Aerospace firm. We had annual meetings followed by a test to cover our knowledge concerning classified material. And we also had one covering one about proprietary intellectual property as well. It had a test as well. Both said if you were involved misuse of government secrets or company secrets you could count on prosecution to the fullest extent of the law. In some of the things not to do involved encryption.Nothing was to leave the property without the proper encryption.I'm sure Hillary was warned of this in briefings when she became secretary of state. What is interesting where I worked I never came in contact with proprietary intellectual property or government secrets. But as with the rest of the thousands of people who worked there like it or not you had to annualy go through the briefings and the tests. For her to feign she didn't know she was doing something wrong is a big stretch of the credibility. She should not seek public office and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If Eric Snowden is guilty, she is guilty as hell.
She got caught. I am betting everything up to my last shirt that trump in his life did as worst thing as clinton. But he was not caught.
Gowdy's comments just cater to IT novices who might think that there must be a bad cheap way and a good expensive way to wipe bits from a hard drive, when in fact there's just one way, and it's not particularly clever or complicated. People have written free programs to do it, so everybody uses them. It's just like thinking that anybody who uses a Teraflop/s machine must be using it to design nuclear bombs, until you realise that TFLOPs machines cost 100 bucks these days, so everybody uses them for everything, including writing birthday emails to grandma.
That's what the FBI director said.
(The woman who promised him a raise and an exemption from prosecution excepted of course.)
of yoga and bridesmaids is making me horny. I'd try to fix that using Tinder but now I'm worried about man-in-the-middle attacks.
Why are we criticizing good IT practice? There is no logic to the "if you have nothing to hide, you will perform IT poorly". In fact, this implies that Clinton's email server might have actually been secure, assuming they paid as much attention to best practice back then, too.
We are talking about two different things here. Secure retention and secure deletion.
Clinton was very cavalier about secure retention.
She was apparently very serious about secure deletion.
And her argument is that the things retained with poor security were those of state, while those deleted with apparently deliberate security were personal.
One could easily thus infer that she wasn't particularly concerned about protecting the secrets of state, but was very concerned about ensuring that her own secrets never saw the light of day. Whether or not that's the case is another matter, but you're conflating a whole several things together here that are in fact conceptually separate—retention, deletion, national, personal.
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Is an actual crime. I sure hope they nail her to the wall.
It isn't like her ISP or the recipients of the emails can't be subpoenaed for the actual emails.
if you think you can vote for who you want you are uninformed. The vote is Hackable, not Track-able!
If I was Martha Stewart I would be SO Pissed!!! chillary has blood on her hands.
But of course nothing will ever happen to the clinton crime family, just ask their long list of dead body guards
Which code (law scheme) are you talking about? Being in the Navy, the sailor in question was under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the rules of which are very different than for private citizens. For example, the US Constitution does not apply, except when the Supreme Court intervenes, which is rarely.
Even as Secretary of State, Ms. Clinton was a private citizen, under different laws.
Apparently no one here has heard of CCleaner for Windows systems. It wipes user data accumulated during the course of internet usage, especially browsers. Bleachbit's usage is very common among Linux users as a CCleaner replacement. I use it daily to keep things tidy. It frees up resources by doing a simple delete of useless files. There are other settings that allow multiple overwrites to destroy data and make it (supposedly) unrecoverable. How many times have we heard of used government hard drives making it out to salvager's without even a simple delete being done? Two things come to mind. One, we don't know the circumstances, using Bleachbit is not damning. Two, the FBI has ways of recovering nearly all overwrite schemes. In other words, if they had been concerned about file destruction they would have simply physically destructed the drives and replaced them with fresh drives. More information is needed on this while Hillary is busily working away at things that are truly frightening.
If BleachBit is willing to donate enough to the Clinton Foundation, maybe Hillary will become their spokesperson. Her testimonials are sure to be a big hit with other wrongdoers wanting to cover their tracks.
Yes I set bleachbit to run after boot when I turn it on every day.
Not because I care about any emails. It the crazy 100MB of crap browsers leave behind from the previous day. I don't bother to shred, just want to free the space. I guess it improves performance too.
Yes it's probably pointless when you have multi-GB of space. It is because I remember HP7920 disc drives the size of a dishwashers with 50MB disc platters.
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I'm less concerned about the destruction of evidence and more concerned that even though we know she's committing criminal acts, people are still supporting her for President.
The whole Clinton / Trump fiasco is a prime example of why the US political system needs a "None of the Above" vote. Right now, the only votes Trump is going to get will be from the Anybody but Clinton camp. Likewise, I know people who are going to vote for Clinton simply because Trump scares them. Neither candidate will make a viable president. Look at our choices, we are deciding to give control of our country to either a known career criminal megalomaniac, or a known racist nutcase. The system is so heavily stacked against third party candidates that they will never get enough votes to mean anything.
Maybe I missed it but I can't remember reading that her servers were hacked. If that's the case, maybe she was on to something. Who would think to look for private servers? I'm thinking that she did it for security, not for illicit activities. If they were never hacked, it worked. Besides that, who set up her servers? Pretty damn sure Hillary didn't do it on her own. Whoever set her system up also had access to all of those emails. There must have been at least one back door. Are there copies of the missing emails somewhere? Having her own servers isn't the problem, from my point of view. Who set them up and who might have backed up those drives is what I see as the big deal about all of this. I'd want to check every person who knew about them and every person who helped her create/wipe/use the servers. If there was anything in the emails, that's pretty good fodder for blackmail and influencing her decisions later on.
Nobody seems to be mentioning that if the FBI wanted any of our E-mail servers, we wouldn't be asked so politely and we wouldn't be allowed to turn it over when we damn well pleased. They would probably be there at 4 AM, break the door down, shoot the dogs, trample over the children's toys, they may shoot you or at the very least rough you up, put your kids in handcuffs. They'd also take whatever the hell they wanted. Including that 1970s Coleco football game that hasn't even been turned on in decades, after all, it's a computer... sort of. Take whatever they wanted. I understand that can even be silverware. Actual silverware, not the plated crap. Then you might get it back some day. When they're good and ready, maybe.
You can bet that there wouldn't be any FBI agent testifying that you were just very very careless, or any of the horseshit that they said. I don't know anyone that actually believed she should not be in jail. Where it any of us that did anything like she did, they would be at the trial - hang 'em, hang 'em high. There is no doubt, we have a mountain of evidence. Convict and sleep well at night knowing you convicted someone justly. We'd never get out.
If she would not have deleted her emails securely they would have said she was irresponsible.
This story would have been spun anyway.
Where did her classified emails go?
I mean she must have had another email account for the classified stuff no?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/19/hillary-clinton-wiping-email-server-cloth-or-somet
I'd care if there were a viable choice, but Trump is the worst candidate in my lifetime and it's not even close.
Say any other individual is accused of having child porn on your computer. Said individual takes their computer and together with their legal team "goes through all files for any files matching the criteria" Then after a handful of files that prove no guilt are retrieved the drive is wiped clean with bleachbit. I don't see how she gets away with this why not just submit the whole computer to the fbi, like they would have done in any other case busting down the door at 4 am with a full SWAT team. Simply ridiculous.
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