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Dilbert Creator Scott Adams Endorses Gary Johnson For President (dilbert.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader SonicSpike writes: Scott Adams, creator of the popular comic, Dilbert, has decided to endorse Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson for President. He writes at his blog: "Clinton supporters have been telling me for a few days that any visible support for Trump makes you a supporter of sex abuse. From a persuasion standpoint, that actually makes sense. If people see it that way, that's the reality you have to deal with. I choose to not be part of that reality so I moved my endorsement to Gary Johnson. I encourage all Clinton supporters to do the same, and for the same reason...

"To be fair, Gary Johnson is a pot head who didn't know what Allepo was. I call that relatable. A President Johnson administration might bring with it some operational risks, and policy risks, but at least he won't slime you by association and turn you into some sort of cheerleader for sex abuse in the way you would if you voted for the Clintons or Trump."

The essay concludes, "You might enjoy my book because you're not sure if I'm really endorsing Gary Johnson or just saying so to protect my brand."

523 comments

  1. Is this real life? by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a new low for a slashdot post...

    1. Re: Is this real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Nadar worked out real well.....

    2. Re:Is this real life? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Funny

      By now maybe Adams should outsource his political analysis to Elbonia.

    3. Re: Is this real life? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Because Nadar worked out real well.....

      Nadar was only a problem in Florida. If you live in a swing state, you should vote for the lesser evil. Anywhere else, you should vote for what you actually want.

      I live in California, where Hillary has a double digit lead. So I will vote for Gary. If he gets over about 3% of the vote, it will send a message to the duopoly (especially the Republicans) that there is a significant constituency for less government and more personal freedom.

    4. Re:Is this real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Delbert should stick to making cartoons.

    5. Re: Is this real life? by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Nice observation in hindsight. You're right that in California, you're probably safe 'voting your conscience', but don't assume the swing states will be the typical ones this time.

      I personally think Nader's sales pitch "The two major parties are Coke and Pepsi", while grounded in some truth, was a gross simplification that helped bring us 8 years of war, climate change denial, worsening income inequality and Citizens United - which only made the 3rd party scenario less likely to succeed in the future. If he had any integrity, he'd admit that - instead of insisting that Al Gore losing deep red Tennessee as a Democrat somehow leaves Nader blameless. There's no shame in acknowledging his spoiler role while maintaining his critique of the system. In fact, admitting his mistakes might actually help formulate a more effective strategy. But he's too full of himself to put changing the system in a constructive way above his own ego.

      And if Adams is serious that 'being equally slimed with sex scandals' - even if actually equally - is the reason he can't vote for Clinton or Trump, well then he's basically an embarrassed Trump supporter - who's overlooking a lot worse than what Trump said on a bus in 2005.

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    6. Re: Is this real life? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      If a third party gets 5% of the vote, they get funding for the next election. That's certainly important, beyond sending the immediate message.

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    7. Re: Is this real life? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      From Nader's point of view, thanking democrats for starting smaller unjust wars and sending slightly fewer innocent people to prison and being owned by slightly less evil corporations is like thanking Hitler for not being as extreme as Pol Pot. Why would he do that?

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    8. Re: Is this real life? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      If a third party gets 5% of the vote, they get funding for the next election. That's certainly important, beyond sending the immediate message.

      Ya, just watch. I bet the same thing will happen that happened in the state I came from. Once the third party got 5%, the Democrats and republicans came together and raised the bar for 15% for the next election.

    9. Re:Is this real life? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Not really. It's a relevant cultural issue that we all have to deal with. As geeks many of us have to treat social contact and office politics as if we were exploring an alien planet. This whole guilt by association nonsense is just part of that.

      First they just insulted voters. Then they tried to call the other guy Hitler. When that didn't work they tried to turn him into some sort of sex monster.

      He's nothing more than an entertainer with some groupies.

      Try to be the voice of reason or stick up for actual liberty and you very well may be virtually lynched. It seems to be a common thing these days and you don't even have to be anyone interesting. You could just be dating someone interesting.

      At this point, it just seems like I'm insufficiently gay for the progressive hive mind.

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    10. Re:Is this real life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like this guy says Obama should ban n1ggers not guns. It's not the whites that are causing the majority of problems for blacks, it's themselves.

    11. Re: Is this real life? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I bet the same thing will happen that happened in the state I came from. Once the third party got 5%, ...

      What state was that?

    12. Re: Is this real life? by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      Nader wasn't even a problem in Florida. Bush got more "Democrat" votes than Nader did.

      If Gore had managed to win his home state of Tennessee, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

      Gore just lost.

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    13. Re:Is this real life? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      I guess his man crush on Trump is over?

      http://www.slate.com/articles/...

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    14. Re: Is this real life? by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Why would he do that? Ummmm... So fewer innocent people go to prison and we're owned by slightly less evil corporations?

      The 'lesser of two evils' is still less evil, dammit. And nobody's asking Nader to thank anybody. Just to admit that his 3rd party tactics aren't working, and in fact, are counterproductive. That's not to say he's wrong about the 2 party system - it's just saying he's doing a lousy job of fixing it - and losing stature in the process.

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  2. Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Gary Johnson isn't aware of the world outside of the US's borders. He has repeatedly flubbed names of leaders and nations. And I'm skeptical if he could find the Middle East on a map.

    1. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's your point? A lot of people feel like that's exactly the kind of president we need right now. There is a lot of stuff to rebuild within our own borders so we don't need to worry about how other people around the world are living their lives. We are not the world police.

    2. Re:Extremely ignorant by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Knowing nothing more about them man than what you've posted, he still doesn't sound as bad as the R and D candidates.

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    3. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary is fine.

    4. Re:Extremely ignorant by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And isn't it sad that this STILL makes him more suitable than Clinton and Trump combined?

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    5. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump literally wants the world to stop at the US borders & put up walls.

      Not sure how Johnson is any different. Other than the get rid of all taxes delusion. Oh, and he's not a sexual abuser.

    6. Re:Extremely ignorant by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gary Johnson isn't aware of the world outside of the US's borders. He has repeatedly flubbed names of leaders and nations. And I'm skeptical if he could find the Middle East on a map.

      BUT he can totally nail Middle Earth!

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    7. Re:Extremely ignorant by PackMan97 · · Score: 1

      Which means he doesn't admire and want to be like them (Trump & Putin) and it also means they haven't been bought and paid for by them (Clinton and anyone that has given money to the Clinton Foundation).

    8. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe that's better than one that looks cultured but meddles there and fucks up like Obama.

    9. Re:Extremely ignorant by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gary Johnson isn't aware of the world outside of the US's borders. He has repeatedly flubbed names of leaders and nations. And I'm skeptical if he could find the Middle East on a map.

      The President is not a quiz show contestant. A President consumes facts and information from the roomful of expert advisers. A President mostly needs honesty and integrity, those traits allow for better processing of the information.

      Hillary knew lots of names, met many leaders as First Lady and visited many places. Look how terribly she performed as Secretary of State; relations with Russia, state of Iraq, Libya, Syria; Iranian nuclear deal; TPP; etc.

    10. Re:Extremely ignorant by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

      Facts can be learned. Mr. Johnson is a reasonably smart guy and if he finds the need to learn specifics about transient world leaders, I'm sure he can do so.

      Character is what you bring with you over a lifetime. You can't fake it for long. From what the press has actually produced on this front compared to the two mainstream candidates, Mr. Johnson wins hands down.

    11. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And? Do you know everything there is to know about every place in the world you think the US should stick their nose? Besides which, knowing nothing about the place presents an opportunity. Specifically the State Department is supposed to know about why the US is sticking their nose in somebody else's business, having to ask the very basic question of 'tell me why we need to be doing anything about this situation & justify it for me". Johnson isn't an idiot, not knowing basic details of a country doesn't meant he doesn't have an idea of what he thinks the US should or shouldn't be doing. I mean seriously, have you heard any CREDIBLE argument as to what the US plan for Syria is? For Iraq? Iran etc? Knowing about a place, the war or strife going on somewhere doesn't put you in any better position to create a policy to deal with it. Feigning concern by 'demonstrating knowledge' is useless, the President can always get a 'briefing' on any situation, sufficient to make him/her knowledgeable enough to apply their default policy position and adjust as necessary to avoid doing more harm.

    12. Re: Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gary Johnson has climbed the highest mountains on every continent except Antarctica. So at least he knows where the mountains are.

    13. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put up walls? You know nothing about him or Libertarianism then. Open border policies are a default position, that Libertarians/Johnson figures you should take care of your own backyard & let others deal with their own shit doesn't mean he thinks the 'world stops at the US borders' he just thinks that sticking your nose in to somebody else's shit is a better default position than trying 'regime change' all the time. And given the US's/the 'free worlds' shoddy track record with regime change is not a stupid position to take.

    14. Re:Extremely ignorant by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Problem is he's pro-TPP. I can't vote for anybody who supports the TPP.

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    15. Re:Extremely ignorant by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Without knowing anything at all about him, I can tell you he's a smarter option than Trump.

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    16. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Facts can be learned. Mr. Johnson is a reasonably smart guy

      He sure doesn't give very much evidence for that assertion.

      and if he finds the need to learn specifics about transient world leaders, I'm sure he can do so.

      He's fucking running for the job of president. That really, really ought to be enough reason for him to learn who is leading other countries.

      Basically, what I see from his attitude is that he doesn't think there's any chance that he would get the job, so there's no point in bothering to learn even the basically rudiments of what he would need to know for the job.

    17. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hillary knew lots of names, met many leaders as First Lady and visited many places. Look how terribly she performed as Secretary of State; relations with Russia, state of Iraq, Libya, Syria; Iranian nuclear deal; TPP; etc.

      Looks good to me!

    18. Re:Extremely ignorant by DogDude · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      She "performed terribly"? Do you have any basic understanding of international politics?

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    19. Re:Extremely ignorant by ranton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What's your point? A lot of people feel like that's exactly the kind of president we need right now. There is a lot of stuff to rebuild within our own borders so we don't need to worry about how other people around the world are living their lives. We are not the world police.

      This is one example of how poorly educated most voters are. Foreign policy is one of the few parts of our government where the President has a great deal of control. With the exception of supreme court justices, foreign policy, and the military, all other talking points are mostly irrelevant since Congress is responsible for most domestic issues.

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    20. Re:Extremely ignorant by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      I disagree, I have no issue with pot smoking, but in excess, it dulls the brain. Gary Johnson has smoked waaaaayyyyyy toooooooo muuuuuccccccchhhhhh weeeeeeeeed. It is all the man thinks about.

    21. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have anything to actually say in response here ? I opened up your post hoping you might've even had some CONTENT.

    22. Re:Extremely ignorant by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Would you feel better if he had memorized a list of foreign leaders?

    23. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm not the poster you're responding too, but I think he does and you simply don't. Performing a "reset" with Russia, followed by the reintroduction of Cold War era feuds (well, from their side anyway) and the death of a US Ambassador because she refused to protect the area and refused to be open about the cause (unless you still believe it was caused by a YouTube video).

      Compound that with the excuse that we pulled out of Iraq too soon because Iraq refused -- she was the top diplomat and clearly unable to convince them. Syria also had the red line drawn repeatedly by Obama, while she was also the lead diplomat (arguably that's much more Obama's fault than hers, but she is supposed to smooth out those issues as Secretary of State).

      Finally, while Secretary, she has been proven to have had a private email server with actively classified details on it (yes, actively classified, which was in the FBI report). The FBI Director used a synonym for "Gross Negligence" to avoid recommending prosecution, but she is also guilty of mishandling classified material (going so far as to not recognize what the "(C)" means on classified documents in recorded testimony), which requires absolutely no intent (!) and every annual security training reminds people holding a clearance of that. She's either incredibly corrupt or incredibly incompetent, but there is no "good" option. Based on this alone, she's above the law and electing her creates a caste system within America where you agree that laws do not apply to the likes of her (but I suppose we should trust that she'll fix the system for the other people?).

      I'd qualify those all as "performed terribly" in her duties. In fact, I can't name something that she did well in the role.

    24. Re:Extremely ignorant by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with TPP? As someone whose priority list has TPP way at the bottom, I don't really see why this is such an important issue. I'm not saying it's not important, I'm just saying I don't see why it is. Why is it important to you?

    25. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She did a pretty good job of generating income for the Foundation. Give her some credit!

    26. Re:Extremely ignorant by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      He's pro free trade. He's made comments that he likes the idea of the TPP, but also stated that he feels the current form of the TPP is likely filled with crony capitalism.

      “I have a sense that [the TPP] is laden with crony capitalism,” the former Governor of New Mexico explained. He further went on to clarify why his position might not have been as clearly relayed previously: “I have heard from people that I respect that it actually advances the ball, so I would keep an open mind, but the devil is in the details.”

      Based on this clarification, it would seem that Johnson himself doesn’t have much love for the TPP, but isn’t completely ruling it out until he reads it for himself. Which is as reasonable a position as a libertarian politician can possibly take when discussing a document that, while shady, hasn’t been available to read for oneself yet.

      Johnson further clarified on how he would approach the TPP if he were get is hands on it: “I would be a skeptic looking at that to begin with, because I think those who have money are buying favoritism, and [the TPP] is for sale.”

      source:
      https://beinglibertarian.com/g...

    27. Re:Extremely ignorant by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      You should do your own research on it. There's just too many things to list in this space. Search through Slashdot's archives for plenty of discussion.

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    28. Re:Extremely ignorant by drnb · · Score: 1

      She "performed terribly"? Do you have any basic understanding of international politics?

      Yes, I do. Its not simply the ultimate outcomes. Its her misreading of people and situations and the formulation of poor plans to deal with things. Being dealt a bad hand is one thing, playing a bad hand poorly is something else. Hillary has a track record of playing hands poorly, all the way back to First Lady days. Hint: Her attempt at health care reform.

    29. Re: Extremely ignorant by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Sorry buddy. Would you want a surgeon who doesn't know everything and rely on experts?

      The presidency requires someone who can make instant decisions that can have a profound impact at any time. Sounds insane and unrealistic? It is!

      Look at George W Bush as an example of a president with an above average IQ but not top end? Iraq war and certain decisions were disastrous?!

      Yes if you are too dumb to know the leader of North Korea then God help us if you have the keys to the white House.

      People keep voting with their gut and not heads. An average Joe Six pack knows better than to hire another Joe Six pack for surgery. Why does he not have the same concerns for a president.

    30. Re: Extremely ignorant by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Dude no.

      The average slashdoter here is more qualified since we can at least know who the freaking leader of North Korea is?

      Does he even watch the news?

    31. Re: Extremely ignorant by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

      I'm a pretty average slashdotter. I recognize the North Korean leader's name when I see it, but I couldn't quote it off the top of my head. At this point, KJU simply isn't on the list of leaders of countries that are relevant to me and as fast as they go through leaders - may well never be. His policies don't seem any different from his predecessor(s), so I tend to think about N. Korea - the country - as opposed to who is currently running it.

      That doesn't mean that I don't know anything about what is going on in N. Korea or what they have been doing. It doesn't mean I don't care about how deplorably they treat their own people. It doesn't mean I don't worry for nearby countries that we do a lot of business with that are directly threatened by North Korea and its nuclear ambitions. It doesn't mean I don't think China should be doing more to reign him in. I just don't happen to be great with names.

      From what I've seen, Mr. Johnson is similar. He gives good opinions on what is going on in particular parts of the world - he just doesn't seem to associate names very well. Of all the things to worry about with the candidates this year, a command of names of leaders (and particularly the ability to name your favorite leader) seems way down on the list of things to worry about. That's why the White House has a staff and why we have a State Department.

    32. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we go by what was written, she performed an "overcharge" with Russia. But hey, she probably had experts to mis-translate that photo-op prop.

    33. Re: Extremely ignorant by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Look at George W Bush as an example of a president with an above average IQ ...

      [ citation needed ]

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    34. Re:Extremely ignorant by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      You should do your own research on it. There's just too many things to list in this space. Search through Slashdot's archives for plenty of discussion.

      Code for: "I don't really know." (But now that someone's called me on it, I will do some Googling and reply with stock Trump / anti-TPP information to show that I do know what I'm talking about.)

      [ Please don't bother, your views are already clear. ]

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    35. Re: Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With virtually no context provided with the question, how is he supposed to respond: "Yes, I think it is a cultural disgrace that with Soviet assistance, most of Allepo was destroyed".

      Anybody who points out that the Soviet Union fell in 1991, can be reminded that Allepo was destroyed in 1948.

      And if you have no idea what I'm referring to, you've just learned the value of context, and clarity, when asking questions.

    36. Re:Extremely ignorant by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      Eh? You can't be this new to slashdot. I didn't realize people on /. liked the TPP now. What do /.ers like about it? Is it the worldwide permanent copyright extensions? Yeah we love that shit here.

      Code for: "I don't really know." (But now that someone's called me on it, I will do some Googling and reply with stock Trump / anti-TPP information to show that I do know what I'm talking about.)

      Code for: "I'm a brain-dead leftist who was against the TPP and interventionist wars last year but since teh ebil Drumpf is the anti-TPP, anti-war candidate now and the bitch with the (D) next to her name is pro-TPP and pro-war fuck yeah I'm a neocon warhawk now shove corporate cocksucking permanent copyrights up my ass I love it so much madam president fuck me harder oooo yeah I love corporations suing governments for lost profits yeah yeah yeah more wars for israel yeah yeah #ImWithHer!"

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    37. Re:Extremely ignorant by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I have done my own research. None of that stuff really jumps out at me as being really good or really bad. I was asking why it was important to you. I don't need to hear a giant list of reasons. What is the single most egregious thing about TPP for you personally?

    38. Re:Extremely ignorant by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Um... Nothing in *my* post indicated that *I* like or endorse the TPP. I was just commenting on your lame reply.

      One of us us apparently "brain-dead" and it's not me.

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    39. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least she didn't ask the Republicans how they wanted to reform health care and then act all suprised when it turned out they didn't want to reform anything.

      And I also wonder about your credentials claiming a basic understanding of international politics. If you have some road map for how a subordinate to the President was supposed to keep a dictator of a nuclear-armed former world power in line, create a civil society out of the remains of one deliberately destroyed, sort hundreds of factions of revolutionaries and opportunists into "good guys" and "bad guys", prevent a civil war in a country with a government backed by the dictator of a nuclear-armed former world power, completely erase a millenia-old regional power's aspirations, negotiate a trade deal in contravention of your boss' goals, etc. ... well, we'd all like to see it.

    40. Re: Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, the leader of North Korea is dead. Likewise, his chief assistant is also dead.

      Unlike, say Tito, Dancing Baby has neither the loyalty, nor the velvet glove, to lead North Korea. When even the army is hangry, the leader is up for replacement. Dancing Baby is executing people on princple. Once the NK Army Generals are both convinced that they will executed, regardless of how much support they show, and hanger has set in, Dancing Baby is dead, and North Korea will be a blood bath.

      None of which negates the potential of damage to the United States, by North Korea, during that affair.

    41. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hillary knew lots of names, met many leaders as First Lady and visited many places. Look how terribly she performed as Secretary of State; relations with Russia, state of Iraq, Libya, Syria; Iranian nuclear deal; TPP; etc.

      Relations with Russia - what is the problem there, specifically? The Russian government has been deliberately and intentionally provoking and antagonizing the west for years now... do you think that our relationship with Russia is in any way a deliberately manufactured tension at least partially due to Russia? Or do you think we should have been at war with them for a while now, since they're being so deliberately provocative? In what way would war with Russia be a good thing?

      Iranian nuclear deal - you mean, the multilateral deal Iran reached with Russia, China, Germany, France, the UK, and the US, which dramatically limited Iran's ability to produce weapons-grade nuclear material, in exchange for the lifting of sanctions, which automatically snap back into place for 10 years if Iran is found to be violating the provisions of the agreement? Yeah, it would've been much better if we kicked the door in and blew shit up. Or just let them quietly continue pursuing a nuclear weapon until they can threaten the entire Middle East as a nuclear power.

      Libya, Syria, Iraq - explain how the condition of these states is HER fault, specifically? I'm curious what you view as her material shortcomings in these cases, since as Secretary of State, her job is implementing the president's foreign policy goals.

      The President is not a quiz show contestant.

      No, a quiz show contestant is expected to know at least enough trivia to last through a 30 minute taped session. Gary Johnson couldn't even manage that without having an "Aleppo" moment. If you are unable to name a single, sitting, foreign leader when asked, then you are unqualified to be president. It's that simple. You will be expected to interact with these people, and if you can't even name a couple of them, you have no business having an opinion on a foreign policy towards them. If you are unable to identify the epicenter of a massive humanitarian disaster that's unfolding in real time, then you have no business having an opinion on foreign policy that would address it.

      A president who does nothing but "consumes facts and information from a roomful of expert advisers" is a fucking MOUTHPIECE. A PUPPET. If you, for a single second, think that somebody like that has any business leading the most powerful country on earth, you are wrong. The president needs to be one of the smartest people in that roomful of expert advisers - he or she does not need to be a deep expert on every topic, but he or she needs to be capable of listening to expert advisers, asking the right questions and gathering the right information, then making a rational, well-informed decision based on those facts.

      Pro tip: "What is Aleppo?" is not "the right question" or "the right information" for a president to be gathering. That's the question of an ignorant novice, not an experienced statesman with a command of the situation.

    42. Re:Extremely ignorant by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Probably worldwide copyrights, and the ability for corporations to sue governments for lost profits. These used to be really important issues for /.ers until it turned out the guy with the (R) after his name was against it, while the neocon warhawk with the (D) after her name is for it.

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    43. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's frightening to think warmongers like Clinton could have any real power. She's already beating the wardrums on Syria and Russia.

      She can claim the Democratic mantle, but she CANNOT claim to be a dove or anti-war. So while I might like her SCOTUS pick, I don't think she has the temperament or rationality to be Commander in Chief.

    44. Re:Extremely ignorant by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Gary Johnson isn't aware of the world outside of the US's borders. He has repeatedly flubbed names of leaders and nations. And I'm skeptical if he could find the Middle East on a map.

      That would make him quintessentially... American!

    45. Re:Extremely ignorant by unixisc · · Score: 1

      So that button found its way into the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 design?

    46. Re:Extremely ignorant by unixisc · · Score: 1

      On the Iran nuclear deal, if European countries - France, Germany and other countries who were determined to do business w/ Russia pushed back on continuing sanctions, there was a simple solution. The US could have told them: 'I get it that you want to end the current sanctions against Teheran. We don't. And it's not in our interest to terminate them at all. So if you want to lift those sanctions, go ahead, but after that, we'll stop doing any business w/ you.. Since there is nothing to guarantee that any money or goods that go from us to you will end up in the hands of Iran'.

      Give them those choices, and the sanctions would have stayed in place.

    47. Re:Extremely ignorant by unixisc · · Score: 1

      A good way of judging him is from his record as New Mexico governor. It was pretty mediocre, and no wonder, NM turned from (R) to (D) after he left: Bill Richardson succeeded him and was a good improvement. Sometimes, going w/ just party labels is a bad idea

    48. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't get why so much is pinned on here. Just to take your blaming her for the state of Iraq. We'd been fighting in Iraq 6 years before she was Secretary of State, and she hasn't been Secretary of State since 2013. Iraq was a clusterfuck before she was Secretary and hasn't changed since. Even if you take the nonsensical position that the Secretary of State alone can sort something like Iraq unilaterally there's no evidence based argument for why it's somehow her fault.

      Hilary might not appeal to the kind of voter who thinks a catchy 140 characters is all you need to run for president, but she's shown a damn sight more ability in her dealings than Trump has so far in his campaign. It's disgusting to hear the kind of bollocks that people defend him with now. His admissions of sex abuse are held up as "banter", and his claims of being a genius and master negotiator are taken seriously by some when he can't even keep his own parties representatives.

    49. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the answer is no, you are completely clueless. Got it.

    50. Re:Extremely ignorant by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      There's plenty wrong with the TPP. Enough wrong that the only two remaining candidates are opposed to the TPP- Trump for real, and Clinton at least nominally (and possibly genuinely, depending on if her recent statements about what it turned into can be taken at value).

      The TPP enjoys broadbased opposition for very good reason. It will make the poor of the world poorer, so the progressives are opposed to it (including Sanders). It will spread ludicrous copyright crap all around, so a lot of techies are opposed to it. It is mostly a list of things preventing local governments from governing democratically on a bunch of trade and "intellectual property" issues, so the "states rights" types are opposed to it. And it will enable the outflow of jobs, so the civic nationalists are opposed to it.

      Basically, to back it, you need a principled stand on free trade and a willingness to hold your nose for its stance on censorship. Johnson's quote on it:
      “It is my understanding that the TPP does advance free trade,” says Johnson, “Is it a perfect document? Probably not. But based on my understanding of the document, I would be supporting it [though] in a perfect world there wouldn’t be a document like that, there would just be free trade.”

      The TPP seems very popular on capital hill, contentious within the ranks of libertarians, and roundly opposed by the electorate.

    51. Re: Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So at least he knows where the mountains are

      They are *so high* man!

    52. Re: Extremely ignorant by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Besides, if you're going to mock Johnson's knowledge of hellpit geography, it would really help is you spelled Aleppo right.

    53. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least she didn't ask the Republicans how they wanted to reform health care and then act all suprised when it turned out they didn't want to reform anything.

      For the first two years of the Clinton administration the Democrats had the White House and strong majorities in both the Senate and the House of Representatives. Hillary failed with Democrats in control.

      And I also wonder about your credentials claiming a basic understanding of international politics. If you have some road map for how a subordinate to the President was supposed to keep a dictator of a nuclear-armed former world power in line, ...

      Soon after coming into office, and despite Russia's recent invasion of Georgia, the Obama administration abandoned plans for including eastern europe in a missile defense program. But hey, Hillary got a photo with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and a red button that said "reset" in English and "overload" in Russian. The former demonstrates weakness, the later demonstrates stupidity. No wonder Putin saw an opportunity.

      ... create a civil society out of the remains of one deliberately destroyed, sort hundreds of factions of revolutionaries and opportunists into "good guys" and "bad guys", prevent a civil war in a country with a government backed by the dictator of a nuclear-armed former world power, completely erase a millenia-old regional power's aspirations

      In Iraq she failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement that would have allowed a continued US presence. All her predecessors did so. All her predecessors overcame the initial objection to immunity by sweetening the deal, its sort of a local tradition. Do you think ISIS would have been as successful rolling down the highway in their Toyota pickup trucks with heavy weapons in the back if the Iraqi army could have asked the US for an airstrike on that convoy? Hillary is either a failure at negotiations, couldn't adapt to millennia old local negotiating tactics, or she didn't want an agreement and took the opening Iraqi position as an excuse to entirely leave the region. Creating a vacuum others filled, ISIS and Iran.

      Supplying local fighter in Syria will small arms would not present a risk to US security. Rifles and ammo smuggled from Syria are not much of a problem. Lets move from your red herring to another part of Hillary's failure. Rather than establish a safe zone for refugees in the region she thought Europe and the US could take them in. Which in turn fuels the desire for locals to leave rather than commit and fight for their own land. ISIS is not something new, this caliphate idea is a recurring theme and repeatedly over the centuries had reared its ugly head and caused trouble. Eventually the locals get pushed to the point where they fought back and beat it down and back into hiding. The Obama administrations policy disrupted that historical cycle giving the locals an option other than fighting for their own land, fleeing instead, and by denying them small arms by which to fight with. As for Assad we have repeated bluffs that were made and called by the administration demonstrating a weakness on the part of the US. Another vacuum filled by others, Iran and Russia.

      In Libya we had the "lead from behind" which contributed to greater chaos. And we have the famous security stance of Hillary's state department which was more concerned about appearance, political theatre, rather than actual security of personnel. Culminating with the death of a US Ambassador that had repeated asked for better security in the past.

      The Obama/Clinton team, a history of making bad situations even worse.

      ... negotiate a trade deal in contravention of your boss' goals, etc. ... well, we'd all like to see it.

      According to her conversations with Wall Streeters the trade deal is in line with her goals as well.

    54. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give them those choices, and the sanctions would have stayed in place.

      What purpose does it serve to continue with the sanctions in place? They were put in place to force Iran to the negotiating table so a deal related to their nuclear program could be reached. They succeeded in doing that, and now they're no longer necessary... or are you really suggesting that the sanctions were an end in themselves, and we should keep them in place forever, because "Iran!"?

    55. Re: Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gary Johnson has climbed Mount Everest (Asia), Mount Elbrus (Europe), Denali (North America), Mount Kilimanjaro (Africa), Aconcagua (South America), Mount Vinson (Antartica), and Carstensz Pyramid (Oceania)

    56. Re: Extremely ignorant by drnb · · Score: 1

      Sorry buddy. Would you want a surgeon who doesn't know everything and rely on experts?

      Absolutely. I want my surgeon to rely on an anesthesiologist.

      The presidency requires someone who can make instant decisions that can have a profound impact at any time. Sounds insane and unrealistic? It is! Look at George W Bush as an example of a president with an above average IQ but not top end?

      Hillary made that same decision to go to war. Lets consider the housing crisis culminating in a broad financial crisis. This crisis was not purely a creation of Wall Street, it was also a creation of government. A government that encouraged and bought up low quality home loans. Prior to the crisis when questions were raised about the stability of the system and the various government sponsored entities involved, many Democrats in Congress came to the defense of the agencies and proclaimed that they were strong and healthy. Hillary was one of these. Hillary's quick decision to go to war was wrong. Hillary's quick decision that there was no looming home loan crisis was wrong. Hillary's quick decision to support the idea of government backed low quality loans was also wrong. She repeatedly makes decision based on good intentions but fails to anticipate where things might go wrong. That's where people with good instincts differ, not in the good intentions but by seeing where the plan can go astray. By you own questionable metric she is a failure.

    57. Re:Extremely ignorant by drnb · · Score: 1

      The Russian government has been deliberately and intentionally provoking and antagonizing the west for years now...

      Due to our demonstrated weakness and ineptitude, some of that Hillary's.

      In what way would war with Russia be a good thing?

      War is not the only option, there are other ways to deter Russia.

      Iranian nuclear deal - you mean, the multilateral deal Iran reached with Russia, China, Germany, France, the UK, and the US, which dramatically limited Iran's ability to produce weapons-grade nuclear material, ...

      Russia, China, Gernany, France, ... you mean the countries selling equipment and helping to build Iran's nuclear facilities?

      The president needs to be one of the smartest people in that roomful of expert advisers - he or she does not need to be a deep expert on every topic, but he or she needs to be capable of listening to expert advisers, asking the right questions and gathering the right information, then making a rational, well-informed decision based on those facts.

      And quiz show gotcha-questions neither confirm nor rule out any other the above traits.

    58. Re:Extremely ignorant by drnb · · Score: 1

      No one is claiming anyone can fix all things, but we do hope that a Secretary of State does not make a bad situation worse. But she has repeatedly demonstrated an ability to do so. That is the problem. Not being dealt a bad hand, but playing that hand badly.

    59. Re: Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    60. Re: Extremely ignorant by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      So you want some guy who is wrong, maybe doing cocaine, rapes women, and has 0 EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER and is clueless and narcastic.

      " Lets consider the housing crisis culminating in a broad financial crisis. This crisis was not purely a creation of Wall Street, it was also a creation of government. ..
      Hillary did create the housing crises. In fact the republican led congress did with deregulation before she was a senator

      "Hillary was one of these. Hillary's quick decision to go to war was wrong"
      Based on false intelligence by the Bush Administration saying he had chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

      " She repeatedly makes decision based on good intentions but fails to anticipate where things might go wrong. That's where people with good instincts differ, not in the good intentions but by seeing where the plan can go astra
      Which are?

      " By you own questionable metric she is a failure.
      Right and Trump is a steaming pile of success in experience in government as a senator ... oh ... governor ... nope ... VP ... nope. Um business. Yeah great success.

      How can you say that in a straight face? Seriously listen to his words. HE IS NOT QUALIFIED PERIOD.

      Lay off FoxNews

    61. Re: Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could have just faked it...El Guappo was my favorite bad guy in the 3 Amigos movie, I have been extremely dissappointed there hasn't been a sequel and if I am elected president I'll appoint a special prosecutor to investigate further.

    62. Re:Extremely ignorant by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I think if Johnson gave proper Libertarian answers to those two questions, then the result would make your head explode and set social media on fire so bad that people would forget about Trump.

      As a Libertarian, his answer to Aleppo should be "fuck em". They are not our problem and we should not be playing global police. I am not sure there are any world leaders he should admire. They're all either strongmen or some variation on socialist. Some of them have even fucked up in a big way by being arrogant about the voters or letting their heart bleed too much without thinking shit through. If anything, I suspect he's inclined to eviscerate some.

      Johnson is not someone that posts memes adoring Finland.

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    63. Re: Extremely ignorant by drnb · · Score: 1

      So you want some guy who is wrong, maybe doing cocaine, rapes women, and has 0 EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER and is clueless and narcastic.

      Some of those qualities did not impede Bill Clinton. That said, I've never endorsed Trump. However I don't fear him, he will be the most ineffective President every IF elected. Presidents who are able to move their agenda forward must have broad support. Trump will not even have support from his own party. We will have the most obstructionist do-nothing Congress ever. However the Supreme Court may be busier than usual quashing executive orders. Well, those that are implemented. The usually course of action will probably be that the military and law enforcement will need to explain that executive orders need to be legal and constitution.

      " Lets consider the housing crisis culminating in a broad financial crisis. This crisis was not purely a creation of Wall Street, it was also a creation of government. .. Hillary did create the housing crises. In fact the republican led congress did with deregulation before she was a senator

      Bill Clinton was responsible for signing that deregulation. Years later as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were seen in financially risky conditions Hillary was one of the great defenders of Bill's actions (deregulation, mandate for low quality loans, etc.) and claimed the institutions were financially sound and healthy. Coincidentally they had donated millions to her. And not so surprisingly they were a major part of the crisis and needed a federal bailout. The financial crisis was not purely a Wall Street creation, Congress had its role, both Bill and Hillary have their fingerprints on it. Again, bad judgement with mandates for low quality loans, bad judgement as to the risk of financial problem at the institutions ... she acted entirely politically. Defending allies and supporters and Democratic policies.

      " She repeatedly makes decision based on good intentions but fails to anticipate where things might go wrong. That's where people with good instincts differ, not in the good intentions but by seeing where the plan can go astray Which are?

      Well one example might be telling banks to issue low quality loans, and then having a government sponsored entity buy them from the banks so that the banks carry no risk, a person with good judgement might think some sort or unintended consequences might arise, that maybe the wrong thing is being incentivized.

    64. Re:Extremely ignorant by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The idea shouldn't have been to get Iran to any table. The idea should have been to get Iran to abandon the desire to have them in the first place. One of the few good things about the Iraq war was that Col Gadaffi thought he'd be next, so he dropped his WMD program and started to make nice w/ the US and the West. With proper pressure applied, Iran would be brought to the same point.

    65. Re: Extremely ignorant by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Bill Clinton can be president and was competent

      Monica Lewinsky was consensual whether you agreed with it or not. He possesed the intelligence. He had the prestige and knew how to act.

      He and Trump are not even in comparable

    66. Re: Extremely ignorant by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      Hillary no doubt has a high IQ yet look at the consequence on her decisions on Libya -- an entire country destroyed due to her reckless decision to kill Gadhaffi.

    67. Re: Extremely ignorant by drnb · · Score: 1

      Clinton's sleeze goes way back before Lewinsky. That is just where he got caught because evidence was left behind. There are numerous women who claimed to have been *physically* abused and harassed when he was Governor of Arkansas. He settled out of court paying $850K to one former state worker.

    68. Re:Extremely ignorant by zieroh · · Score: 1

      What's your point? A lot of people feel like that's exactly the kind of president we need right now.

      Those people are wrong. And woefully stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hprovincial.

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    69. Re:Extremely ignorant by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      That just isn't true. I'm pretty sure he has a vastly deeper understanding of Syria than Trump - and in fact of world politics in general.

      Deeper than Clinton? No, probably not - being Secretary of State helps with that. And he's a lot less likely to either 1) bomb unnecessarily or 2) sell himself to the highest bidders.

      What foreign leaders has he flubbed? He failed to name one he admired. I'd like you to name a foreign leader that a Libertarian should admire. He had three seconds before he looked dumb. You have all night. Let's hear what you come up with.

      He refused to play Foreign Leader Jeopardy with a paper - the NY Times I think. Of course he knows the leader of North Korea - he refers to him in speeches all the time.

      Here's an article.

      http://www.businessinsider.com...

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    70. Re: Extremely ignorant by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, who doesn't know the leader of North Korea? Johnson refers to him, by name, in most foreign policy speeches. He refused to play Foreign Leader Jeopardy with the NY Times (I think - not sure on the paper) and that got spun into "Johnson doesn't know leader of North Korea!"

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    71. Re:Extremely ignorant by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      I like the TPP as a concept. It's free(er) trade with most Pacific nations that aren't China.

      The Cato Institute's analysis says that it's a net win; not perfect, but a net gain.

      That analysis is almost certainly is what Gary Johnson is relying on. The Libertarian Party is not the Republican or Democratic party. They don't have the budget or the staff to do their own analysis of such a big document. So he's depending on Cato.

      He's said, repeatedly, that in office, it would be gone through, and if it's less free-trade and more cronyism, he would not sign it.

      But come on. Obama's going to get it done in lame duck anyway. It's not going to even matter what President Johnson thinks.

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    72. Re:Extremely ignorant by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      NM is mostly Democratic, and was then, too. Johnson was re-elected the one time that term limits allow.

      Yeah he must have been awful.

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    73. Re: Extremely ignorant by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1
      You know what? That's just flat out untrue.

      In an interview with the New York Times on Wednesday, Johnson was asked if he knew the name of North Korea’s leader. “I do,” he replied. “‘You want me to name’ the person, he said, then added, dryly, ‘Really.’” Johnson never answered the question.

      He refers to Kim, by name, repeatedly in speeches.

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    74. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      You should do your own research on it. There's just too many things to list in this space. Search through Slashdot's archives for plenty of discussion.

      Code for: "I don't really know." (But now that someone's called me on it, I will do some Googling and reply with stock Trump / anti-TPP information to show that I do know what I'm talking about.)

      [ Please don't bother, your views are already clear. ]

      FWIW I'm pretty damn liberal and I think the TPP is an abomination, or more accurately contains enough sub-abominations that its good features are not redeeming to the document as a whole.

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    75. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can teach information. You cannot teach, without a great deal of difficulty and time, morality and decency.

    76. Re: Extremely ignorant by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      Nah, it looks more like "no president left behind" But he is indeed a more representative person of the average american population the "I'm american, i don't need to think, pop a pill" bunch. The bigot, the puppet and the burnout, you can pull a sitcom out of that, you're so owned by the media moguls that maybe thats the plan after all, theres no other rational explanation for this train wreck.

    77. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love that this post is labeled as a Troll. It breaks down irrefutable facts that are apparently inconvenient for some Hillary supporters. So, just as a classic Hillary move, the attempt is to silence it rather than argue it.

    78. Re:Extremely ignorant by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      The TPP enjoys broadbased opposition for very good reason. It will make the poor of the world poorer, so the progressives are opposed to it (including Sanders)

      I think this is a good reason to oppose something. I was a Sanders supporter, and I'm pretty sure that's why he supported it. But I'm not yet convinced that this criticism is true. I haven't seen any evidence that the TPP specifically would increase poverty beyond the claim that all trade agreements increase poverty (e.g. arguments like NAFTA created poverty, and TPP is like NAFTA)

      Honestly I don't feel like I understand the nuances of the economics of trade agreements enough to make an informed judgement over something like this.

      It is mostly a list of things preventing local governments from governing democratically on a bunch of trade and "intellectual property" issues, so the "states rights" types are opposed to it.

      I feel a bit more entitled to an opinion over the normative aspects of a trade agreement like this, as they don't really depend on the truth of various claims of causal economic relationships (e.g. this poverty is *because of* NAFTA/TPP etc), rather than simply correlations.

      I definitely think IP laws in this country and around the world are problematic. I honestly don't know if TPP will/can make them worse. I suspect it probably does, but I am not aware of any specifics.

      And it will enable the outflow of jobs, so the civic nationalists are opposed to it.

      I would think that this is one of the goals of free trade, is to allow the outflow and inflow of goods and labor. My intuition is that it's probably pointless to try to hang on to the sorts of low skilled jobs that are flowing out of our country. If we ignore the good/evil of wealth redistribution, I think it's probably more efficient to spend money to re-educate people to do skilled jobs than it is to have people doing low skilled labor for artificially inflated wages (e.g. minimum wage). We have the infrastructure to do this that other poorer countries do not. Let's let them have those low skilled jobs and we can spend money we have investing in our own people.

      Anyway, it certainly seems messy to me. It's probably a bunch of good ideas mixed with a bunch of bad ideas and everything in between. It's not clear to me if it will be a net good or a net bad compared with other trade agreements or compared to nothing.

      This is why this is a low priority for me. I feel like there are so many issues that have relatively clear good answers, and I'd rather spend my time and effort advocating for those things.

    79. Re: Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you get how this works.
      The president doesn't sit there at his/her big desk with the eagle on the front, and "make instant decisions" like someone playing Command and Conquer.
      They consult experts, obtain opinion, shape their views, then finally make a decision.

      I'd be afraid of anyone who felt they were smart enough to make serious decisions based solely on their own knowledge and intelligence. You should too.

    80. Re:Extremely ignorant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea shouldn't have been to get Iran to any table. The idea should have been to get Iran to abandon the desire to have them in the first place. One of the few good things about the Iraq war was that Col Gadaffi thought he'd be next, so he dropped his WMD program and started to make nice w/ the US and the West. With proper pressure applied, Iran would be brought to the same point.

      What the actual fuck? This entire line of argument makes NO sense. How do you propose we get Iran to the point where they abandon the desire to have nuclear weapons, without applying pressure in the form of:

      1) Military action;
      2) Political pressure;
      3) Economic pressure;

      You seem to be saying that we should have just invaded more countries around Iran in order to scare them into abandoning their weapons programs, and then failing that, we should have just kicked their doors in and occupied their country?

      Political pressure and economic pressure were applied for 36 years before any movement was achieved in Iran's position. Do you really think that blowing up all of the countries around them for 36 years would have been a better, and more judicious use of influence?

      You're fucking mad.

    81. Re:Extremely ignorant by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Walking away from the table and not lifting sanctions does exert economic pressure! A few more months or years of that would have either bankrupted Iran, or forced them to a state where they agreed to abandon the desire for nukes. Very honestly, they're not gonna abandon that as long as they are Islamic - they believe in the Mahdi who'll come out of a well in Qum to start an armageddon.

  3. Good choice by Xifer · · Score: 1

    Well, he had two choices, Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. There are no other decent picks so one out of two is not bad.

    1. Re:Good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your post insinuates that Jill Stein is a decent pick.

      A moron who thinks wifi is cooking our childrens' brains is barely fit to post shit on Facebook, let alone be president of an entire country.

    2. Re:Good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but a vote for her sends a pro-environmentalist message, just as a vote for a libertarian sends a pro-freedom message.

    3. Re:Good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those aren't even really choices. In my mind neither Clinton nor Trump are a desirable president, but Johnson and Stein have their own glaring flaws too. Unfortunately my state's votes will go to Clinton and by the numbers there isn't enough support for any other party to change that. I'm still going to vote 3rd party for the first time in my voting history, in the hopes that it might raise their numbers for future elections enough to at least be considered a real option. I'm also still holding out for world peace and a pony.

    4. Re:Good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm intrigued by this "pro-freedom" aspect: do you see the US as a country where you are likely to be 'disappeared' because you have been critical of the current government? Or do you think an incoming government will do this?

    5. Re: Good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the index of economic freedom for the US has been going down recently.

      Gary Johnson is a vote against the drug war as well.

    6. Re:Good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm intrigued by this "pro-freedom" aspect: do you see the US as a country where you are likely to be 'disappeared' because you have been critical of the current government?

      No, as long as you don't have any evidence to back your criticism. As soon as you get some, you are fugitive or incarcerated and tried for treason, and that's just for the people we know about. I can't say if there are disappeared ones, but I guess that would be congruent with the act of disappearing. Having learned that some potentially dangerous (armed fundamentalist islamist combatant prisoners of war) people were actually "disappeared", it is not much of a stretch of imagination that there were some akin to Manning, Snowden and Assange who never got their 15 minutes in the news. After all, their perceived damage potential is much greater then those of some third-world AK47 wielders.

    7. Re:Good choice by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      Voting for Stein won't get you any power. Her numbers are too small. If she gets 4% (which would be amazing) it won't influence anyone or get reported.

      Voting for the pot-head-know-nothing (true or not) Johnson will accumulate some numbers in that bucket, and 6% or 7% of electorate voting for him will get him in the news, and perhaps get his successor on a debate stage.

      I'd personally rather we had a decent Green candidate to vote for, but we don't. And even if we did, right now voting Johnson would be the better strategic move. Giving a third party more power will also help a fourth.

    8. Re:Good choice by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I don't agree with Johnson on a lot of issues, but I think he's the best choice this year. Jill Stein might be a good person, but she seems like a total cook to me. That's why I have her ranked all the way down at #2, just above the 2 corrupt sociopaths that are also running.

    9. Re:Good choice by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1
      "What color do you want your President ?"
      - I think mauve has the most trust.

      Database color

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    10. Re: Good choice by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Voting for Stein is great if you like Trump. Voting for Johnson is great if you love Hillary ... or Trump if you live in a Western stare.

      Me personally see A HUGE difference in Trump vs Hillary! I do not even like Hillary. But no one else is freaking qualified and sadly I wish American voters were not retarded and do not see this!

      If both candidates were competent I would say vote green or libertarian. I lean libertarian but will be voting Hillary.

    11. Re:Good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about Johnson is that not only does he send a message, but unlike Stein, there exists people who would say he'd also be a better president than the others. (There isn't really any political point of view, where Stein winning would be a good thing.) I guess you could say that's just a message too, primarily aimed at Stein's supporters: "Don't just send a message, but have a good candidate too. Assume you're going to win (however improbable that may be), so that if somehow you do, it won't be a total fucking disaster for everyone. Don't invite everyone to vote against your message, out of fear of you winning."

      Now that I think of it, that's a good message to send to Republicans too.

    12. Re: Good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The United States had secret prisons from at least 1980 through 2010, so yes, people have been, and might still be disappeared by the government of the United States.

      PotUSA has authorized execution without trial, which has been carried out on two known occasions withon tbe United States, and more than 100 times outside of its territorial boundaries.

      Tricky Dick all but got SCUSA to rule that the Constitution was null and void.

    13. Re:Good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you see the US as a country where you are likely to be 'disappeared' because you have been critical of the current government? Or do you think an incoming government will do this?

      No, America's problems aren't nearly that bad. Freedom is below where (some?) people want it, though.

      Other countries aren't America's benchmark; we're not impressed/proud that we have more freedom than people in China. Don't get me wrong; we're glad that we're better off, but that's considered a silly low bar. Hurdling over a 6-inch barrier isn't something to brag about.

      We're more concerned that we have less freedom than ten years ago, which was less freedom than ten years before that, etc. A pro-freedom vote is declaring that you want Americans in 2026 to have more Freedom than they have in 2016. More. That means getting even further away from dissidents disappearing, instead of continuing to inch toward it (even if it's still a mile away).

    14. Re:Good choice by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > If she gets 4% (which would be amazing) it won't influence anyone or get reported.

      If 4% of America votes Green, that would be unprecedented, and it would be reported everywhere. More importantly, it would send a strong message to Democrats about what values they should display.

      Likewise if Johnson gets close to the 10% he's polling at, but aimed at both major parties, both of which have libertarian wings that are generally suppressed.

      It is unlikely that Johnson or Green get ANYTHING close to what they are polling at. This is actually a big part of why the polls are dicked up: if 10-15% of your electorate is claiming they will vote third or fourth party, then you have a serious issue, given that the historical precedent is like 1% for libertarians and half a percent for Greens. Either we are about to see shattering third party numbers, or many of these voters will actually vote Clinton or Trump (or both, frankly- with that many votes in the hopper, who knows). The attempt to control for this is to ask voters who they would vote for if they JUST had Clinton or Trump, which doesn't have the same level of respondents, and may or may not be accurate.

      If Johnson gets 3% and Stein gets 1%, that would be a ludicrous change in our elections, which normally see all third party stuff in the sub 2% range. And yes, people who make policy would definitely take note of this.

    15. Re:Good choice by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "Voting for Stein won't get you any power. Her numbers are too small. If she gets 4% (which would be amazing) it won't influence anyone or get reported."

      And if you manage to elect Stein you won't get any power either, because she will take it all away. You will have to hook your computer to a stationary bicycle and communicate with the other people who are doing the same.

    16. Re:Good choice by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      I have seen more Johnson yard signs than Trump. It may just be that the Johnson supporters are angry and the Trump supporters are embarrassed. I don't know.

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  4. He also endorsed Trump by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He doesn't seem to be able to make up his mind. First he did the world's fakest endorsement for Clinton:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1...

    Then he switched over to trump:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1...

    There are some brutally funny and plain brutal Dilbert comics out there, but he seems to have gone a but nuts in his old age. He seems to have forgotten that DNRC was all a big joke and has started to actually take it seriously.

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    1. Re:He also endorsed Trump by geek · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Maybe you should learn what satire is jackass

    2. Re:He also endorsed Trump by NatasRevol · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He's been a bit nuts for a long time.

      And by 'a bit nuts', I mean the most arrogant person you've ever heard of.

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    3. Re:He also endorsed Trump by chispito · · Score: 1

      he seems to have gone a but nuts in his old age. He seems to have forgotten that DNRC was all a big joke and has started to actually take it seriously.

      He seems not to have gone nuts. You seem to have misread a satirist.

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    4. Re:He also endorsed Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From the Clinton endorsement:

      "So I’ve decided to endorse Hillary Clinton for President, for my personal safety. Trump supporters don’t have any bad feelings about patriotic Americans such as myself, so I’ll be safe from that crowd. But Clinton supporters have convinced me – and here I am being 100% serious – that my safety is at risk if I am seen as supportive of Trump. So I’m taking the safe way out and endorsing Hillary Clinton for president."

    5. Re:He also endorsed Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be so ironic.

    6. Re:He also endorsed Trump by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Maybe you should learn what satire is jackass

      I know what satire is. Saying stupid stuff and then claiming it's satire when you get called on it isn't actually satire.

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    7. Re:He also endorsed Trump by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      It's kind of weird satire though. I'm having trouble quite getting what the overall joke is.

      I mean I can see how at time he's mocking the general public for thinking they're rational. But it's mixed with a lot of stuff that he seems serious about (Trump's persuasion skills). It all seems to be a really abstract for of satire.

    8. Re:He also endorsed Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the subject of the story, how can you say that. Is it even possible to be more arrogant than Trump?

    9. Re:He also endorsed Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And by 'a bit nuts', I mean the most arrogant person you've ever heard of.

      But he has a great temperament - it's probably his best quality - and it's a winning temperament.

    10. Re:He also endorsed Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should learn what satire is jackass

      There wasn't any satire in his Trump endorsement, only in his Clinton endorsement.

    11. Re:He also endorsed Trump by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Adams is more arrogant.
      Trump is more delusional.

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    12. Re:He also endorsed Trump by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Nah, you were just roped in. Satire is a great way to get people suffering from the ID ten T error worked up.

    13. Re:He also endorsed Trump by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Because it's so very important to get our political viewpoint from a cartoonist who gets his material from readers mailing in situations from their jobs

    14. Re:He also endorsed Trump by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Nah, you were just roped in.

      It's been a pattern of his for years: I used to be a fan. To be fair, the old Dilbert's are still funny. The hitrate has gone down in recent years but that's not unusual from such a long running cartoon. I used to read the blog regularly. The character of it definitely changed and I drifted away. Basically it was slowly moving towards what it has become now.

      The things is he's been systematically pretending to hide behind satire for years choosing it to be a valid opinion or satire depending on how people react. That's just cowardly.

      Satire is a great way to get people suffering from the ID ten T error worked up.

      shrug. It's nice to live in a simple world where everyone who disagrees with you is worked up and annoyed, but that sadly does not make it so. Or are you being satirical?

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  5. flip flops by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 3, Informative

    The man has endorsed all three candidates at one point or another. I would not take this matter with any seriousness (which is probably what he hopes for anyways.)

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    1. Re:flip flops by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      I am not taking any of the four candidates I could name with any seriousness. (Which is probably what they hope for anyways.)

    2. Re:flip flops by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with being malleable? All of the choices are terrible, if you're really determined to choose it's not easy to pick the lowest evil.

      I've followed his blog enough that I'm not sure if he's serious or just trolling 99% of the time, but this doesn't seem to support that one way the other.

    3. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words he is capable of adapting based upon new information, much in the same way that science and progress works.

      I supposed you're one of those single-track religious nutjobs who holds on to an idea forever, despite any new information or evidence you might come across.

    4. Re:flip flops by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      New information? What new information. We've known pretty much all of this nonsense on all sides since the beginning.

      Perhaps filling in an occasional sordid detail, but this isn't new or news.

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    5. Re:flip flops by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a professional comedian/cartoonist. There is a seriousness inside his joke.
      He may or may not be really endorsing any candidate. But using absurdness of endorsing to point out problems.
      Over the past generation or so. We have been equating a person's personal ethics and their stance as a human being based on their political and who they vote for.

      Studies show that a person's political stance is based on what they grew up with. So if you lived in a republican family with republican friends you will be republican or vice versa. Growing up in such an environment the opposing political party is seen as evil, stupid, or part of some grand conspiracy. So attacks on that candidate of your choosing are usually ignored or considered exaggerated for political reasons. While what they do well, is strongly weighed. Thus making your choice seem perfectly rational.

      Now if you are actually a person in the middle, and you observe all these families and lives you find that they are quite similar, have the same problems and often think of the same solution, until the party of their choice states it is different.

      While I personally will be voting for Clinton,it isn't because Trump voters are all racists. Nor do I expect the democratic party turn the US into a communist nation.

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    6. Re:flip flops by magarity · · Score: 2

      What's wrong with being malleable?

      In this particular case, being malleable at this point shows one hasn't been paying attention. Any individual candidate's fluffiness or scruffiness is much less important than their backing party, and the party agendas are slow to change. Slow as in measured in decades.

    7. Re:flip flops by mattventura · · Score: 1

      Most of his endorsement switches haven't been for reasons of new information (although the Clinton estate tax plan was one of them), but have been for his safety or image. Seems it's more of a play to point out how absurd it is that we figuratively skin people alive for their endorsements, especially in an election cycle where every candidate, even the two biggest third party ones, are mostly trash.

    8. Re:flip flops by jcr · · Score: 0

      He didn't endorse trump. He just said that he believed trump would win.

      -jcr

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    9. Re:flip flops by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      Alice Cooper for President!

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    10. Re:flip flops by sycodon · · Score: 1

      He is a humorist.

      James Thurber, Dave Berry, Doug Adams, Mark Twain...ever hear of those guys?

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    11. Re:flip flops by Wulfson · · Score: 0

      #VotesOutForHarambe

    12. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He endorsed Trump two weeks ago

    13. Re:flip flops by fldsofglry · · Score: 1

      Why yes, yes he did: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1...

    14. Re:flip flops by plover · · Score: 2

      I removed Dilbert from my bookmarks a few months ago when Scott began bringing up politics constantly. If I want to hear more opinions about either candidate's lies or incompetence, I'll bash my head into the wall until the feeling goes away.

      I was thinking I'd add it back after the election, but I haven't missed it enough to worry about it.

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    15. Re:flip flops by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      He's a cartoonist and satirist skilled in ironic humor. If you have read any of his commentary over the last year it's clear he not only supports Trump, he has been actively campaigning for him.

    16. Re:flip flops by Rob+Y. · · Score: 0

      Bingo.

      A President Johnson administration might bring with it some operational risks, and policy risks, but at least he won't slime you by association and turn you into some sort of cheerleader for sex abuse in the way you would if you voted for the Clintons or Trump.

      Cute, but since a President Johnson administration is a statistically effective impossibility, this statement is all but meaningless. We're going to get Clinton or Trump, and if Scott Adams doesn't want to get his widdle feet dirty, well isn't he virtuous. He's also abdicating his responsibility to make a meaningful choice between the two truly available choices.

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    17. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a professional comedian/cartoonist. There is a seriousness inside his joke.

      Sounds like he'll say anything, he's just trying to sell his merchandise.

    18. Re:flip flops by kylemonger · · Score: 2

      He's a snake oil salesman. He's been saying Trump will win for over a year because Trump is a "master persuader" and could sell water to a drowning man. Facts have no bearing on people's choices, only "linguistic kill shots" matter, etc. Now that Trump is losing badly and Adams is being proved wrong, it turns out that neither he nor Trump is "fueled by criticism" after all, they just duck it like everyone else.

    19. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flip flopping is not a bad thing. You start from a position of very little knowledge and make a judgement call. As time goes by more data comes to hand. Some data will support your earlier suppositions, some will surprise you, so it seems only sensible that your choice will evolve over time. Deciding first and using data selectively to build a foundation for that decision is very human but not very smart.

      Having said that I get the feeling that Scott is messing with people most of the time. It's not so much his arguments themselves that make me think this - they're only mildly fruity (comparatively) most of the time - but rather how he expresses them.

    20. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I will personally be voting for Clinton because she's the only thing standing between Trump and the nuclear launch codes.

      I don't understand how anybody can still vote to put nuclear armaments under the control of somebody who would go on a 3am Twitter rampage after being besmirched about his 20-year-old public shaming of a teenage beauty queen.

      Ignoring the fact that he's never heard of the term "nuclear triad", this is a man who wouldn't rule out nuking Europe, doesn't understand why we can't use nukes, and thinks more countries (like Saudi Arabia and Japan) should have them!

      All politics aside, a world with Trump as POTUS is materially less safe for all inhabitants.

      dom

    21. Re:flip flops by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And who cares who a cartoonist endorses for president? It's really odd. Except that he's got a loyal following. The loyalists don't agree with him but they're following him. I don't care who my mother is voting for either but she tells me anyway.

    22. Re:flip flops by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I'm a decline-to-state voter. I'm not a member of any organized or disorganized political party. And this stance is based upon growing up with very partisan friends, relations, neighbors, towns, universities. I do not care for watching competitive sports, I don't have any favorite sports teams, and that's the same feeling I have for politics - it's all a bit too sweaty and smelly for me to jump in and start waving pom poms around.

    23. Re:flip flops by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Many "humorists" are far wiser than those that claim to be wise or those that are held up by others as wise.

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    24. Re:flip flops by jedidiah · · Score: 0

      > Nor do I expect the democratic party turn the US into a communist nation.

      Yet the party has embraced a contingent led by someone that ex-Soviets refer to Bernie Breshnev.

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    25. Re:flip flops by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      Alice Cooper for President!

      I hear he wants to be elected.

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    26. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This might come as a shock to you but Scott Adams is a cartoonist, not a politician. Some of us have better things to do than to watch C-SPAN and follow up on the little political gangs all day.

    27. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've known

      Who is "we"?

      "New" is subjective.

    28. Re: flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he can just push a big red button and launch a nuke. Besides after the first one the military would probably just assassinate him and be done with it.

    29. Re: flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is still far to the right of almost every other politician in every other 1st world country. Americas whole political system is specifically designed to be a behemoth that's incredibly difficult to change. No single president, no matter how crazy or wonderful could do 99% of the things they claime, or that others claim about them.

    30. Re:flip flops by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      By process of elimination, that would tend to indicate the candidate he really supports is Doctor Jill Stein, unless of course he comes out and actually supports her, then I would have to assume he intends to run for office himself and the guise of Dilbert.

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    31. Re: flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Appeal to majority.

    32. Re: flip flops by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is quite wrong to say that voting for third party is ineffective, even if the result is practically assured to favor a major party candidate.

      If you reside in a non-swing state, like the vast majority of Americans, your vote doesn't count in any case. It doesn't matter if you vote for the inevitable winner of your state, or the major party loser, or a third party candidate. Your vote is just as statistically insignificant in any case.

      But voting third party helps provide public campaign funding to that party in the next Presidential election. Third parties who actually make it, or come close enough to have a real platform, are more likely to lobby to reform the election systems which take choice away and always leave us with the so-called choice between the "better of two evils".

      That is why it matters. If we want to get good candidates in the future, we must start voting against the duopoly now.

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    33. Re: flip flops by easyTree · · Score: 1

      He's probably a better candidate than any of the war criminals and other brand of freak who are in the running.

    34. Re: flip flops by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Pro Tip: Trump exists only to make Clinton seem appealing.

    35. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > He's also abdicating his responsibility to make a meaningful choice between the two truly available choices.

      It's his "responsibility" to vote for someone he doesn't want to vote for?? Go fuck yourself!

    36. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an antisocial pussy.

    37. Re: flip flops by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      So that grand conspiracy takes into account that the majority of republicans were stupid and/or hateful enough to elect him through the Republican primaries.

      If Trump was part of the democrats master plan, it had backfired. Because their master plan, would had Trump tarnish the name of the guys running against him. So when they run against Clinton they will have black marks on their name true or not.

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    38. Re: flip flops by magarity · · Score: 2

      like the vast majority of Americans, your vote doesn't count in any case

      No individual raindrop is responsible for the devastating flood. But they were all needed to make it happen. Each vote does count. That is kinda the basic "what happens" during an election: counting all the votes.

    39. Re: flip flops by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      I did qualify it later with

      Your vote is just as statistically insignificant in any case.

      But I guess being technically correct is the best kind of correct.

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    40. Re:flip flops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Complete utter bullshit. That's pushing the blame for a person being an asshole off onto "their family". I'm southern. I grew up surrounded by constant racism and bible thumping. Because I know right from wrong, I denounced those hateful viewpoints and am one of those liberal Democrats people hate so much. Furthermore, I have seen day after day that your political leanings do effect how you treat others. Maybe you just live in a place that's more open minded. The bible thumpers down here do very much want to institute a christian version of sharia which is funny cause they hate muslims so much. You need to get out more.

    41. Re:flip flops by lsatenstein · · Score: 2

      As a professional comedian/cartoonist. There is a seriousness inside his joke.
      He may or may not be really endorsing any candidate. But using absurdness of endorsing to point out problems.
      Over the past generation or so. We have been equating a person's personal ethics and their stance as a human being based on their political and who they vote for.

      Studies show that a person's political stance is based on what they grew up with. So if you lived in a republican family with republican friends you will be republican or vice versa. Growing up in such an environment the opposing political party is seen as evil, stupid, or part of some grand conspiracy. So attacks on that candidate of your choosing are usually ignored or considered exaggerated for political reasons. While what they do well, is strongly weighed. Thus making your choice seem perfectly rational.

      Now if you are actually a person in the middle, and you observe all these families and lives you find that they are quite similar, have the same problems and often think of the same solution, until the party of their choice states it is different.

      While I personally will be voting for Clinton,it isn't because Trump voters are all racists. Nor do I expect the democratic party turn the US into a communist nation.

      If I was American, I would vote Democrat. There is a safety rule in politics -- you need checks and balances. If you get a Republican senate, a republican house, and a republican president, what is there to stop them from enacting laws detrimental to the middle or lower class. Obviously, we have already seen laws that favour the super wealthy. What would stop a stupid law of there was a Republican majority as mentioned.

      With checks and balances, the president can veto bad legislation, and he can, if he is intelligent (as opposed to clever), work with congress to set the direction for the next term. I believe that a president should be there for 8 years, and only on exception, should he be removed (voluntarily or otherwise, after 4 years).

      And with this election, please show me the plans for the next President. The democrats have posted theirs. Possibly the Republicans have also posted theirs, but what about independent Trump, All I hear from the debates is 20 seconds of I will do better, and 100 seconds of side issues, eg blasting Senator Hillary with insults. Take this note with you "She did not get to be senator because of her looks, she earned that right to represent her people". A President is there not to lead, but to represent the people. People who are giving him a mandate to carry out the people's wishes.

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    42. Re: flip flops by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Ahhh. The non-swing state loophole. You're right about that, of course, but I'm addressing those Johnson/Stein supporters that don't do nuance. Even Ralph Nader came around in 2000 to saying that his supporters in swing states probably shouldn't vote for him. But it was too little, too late. And besides, I'd make the point that hyperbolically calling the two parties 'Coke and Pepsi' is just another example of the false equivalence disease that's affecting our political discourse.

      Third parties can make whatever points they want - but if they really care about moving the needle in the right direction on issues they stand for, then muddying the waters with false equivalences hurts more than it helps. There's got to be a better way to make 3rd parties viable than to repeatedly serve as spoilers. Like doing the hard work of concentrating on down-ballot positions - and then changing the electoral laws state-by-state.

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    43. Re: flip flops by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      A design flaw of our election system is that two parties are inevitable and third party or independent candidates are likely to only serve as spoilers... at least until one or both of the major candidates is so unpopular as to incite political revolt.

      We need a new voting system, such as ranked voting, which would eliminate the strategic advantage of voting against your conscience and for the lesser of two evils. Democrats and Republicans want to stay in power and will avoid even discussing improvements to the system that gave them that power. Third party candidates are likely to care about that issue, and Gary Johnson at least has explicitly stated support for ranked voting.

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    44. Re:flip flops by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Your comments make a lot of sense, I think. What I don't understand is, well, American politics: this tendency to either idolise or demonise everybody. It makes no sense at all, especially since politicians, even when running for president, are simply humans, no much different from you and me, and if you know anything about yourself, you wouldn't be surprised or disappointed about their little dirty secrets. When you are rich and privileged, you will come to think that you are entitled to ignore what is legally or morally right, because that is what most people would do; denying it would be sanctimonious.

      Politicians today are not, as far as I can see, any more dishonest than they have always been, and I wonder why there is such a wild hysteria about them now. I don't know the answer to that, but I suspect somewhere somebody has an agenda that makes it desirable.

      But to return to the candidates - is Ms Clinton really as throughly evil as she is portrayed, a criminal mastermind? Of course not, give me a break; criminal masterminds prefer to enjoy the high life and pull strings without getting their hands dirty, and being the president isn't actually a very comfortable job: you are constantly reviled and everything you do is opposed at every turn. And is Mr Trump really nothing more than a loudmouthed self-aggrandiser and manipulator? It's hard for me to tell - I loathe him - but I have heard what seemed like reliable witnesses say that he is actually a nice person in private, we just dont see any of that.

      The point is, politics is a strange game, where everybody is an opponent (including your best friends), and you need a lot of experience to know when you can risk trusting anybody and when you absolutely shouldn't, and need to understand what to say, when to say it and especially when to just shut up. Politicians can't just speak their mind openly, because everybody is going to jump on it and use it against you. IMO, objectively speaking, I think Clinton is far more up to this than Trump, and the rest of them aren't even in the game. Do I like the two? Not really, but I don't have to, they are not going to come over for dinner any time soon, but there is no doubt that Clinton can be a better president than Trump ever could.

    45. Re:flip flops by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      his responsibility to make a meaningful choice between the two truly available choices.

      There is no such responsibility. Voting - or not voting - is a personal choice. That's the way it has to be.

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    46. Re:flip flops by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      From a strategic standpoint, you don't ever want to rule out using your most powerful weapons. Moreover, the POTUS doesn't have unilateral control over the use of nukes.

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    47. Re:flip flops by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      "Now if you are actually a person in the middle"

      There is no guarantee that the midpoint between a conservative's viewpoint and a liberal's viewpoint on an issue is the position that most accurately represents reality. And while I'd guess you didn't mean that literally, throwing phrases around like that reinforces the false notion that "middle ground" is what a reasonable person should believe.

      Sometimes one side is just plain wrong. Sometimes there really are things called facts. Sometimes controversies are real, sometimes they are made up.

      It is hard to escape the mindset of left/right, us/them, when the news constantly reinforces the notion. Every news show has a pro-guest and an anti-guest. And for a subject like climate change, that makes viewers think an issue is 50/50. Which isn't true most of the time. Most of the time there is a real actual answer to a question.

      But most politicians are admittedly not concerned with truth, they are concerned with perception and manipulating it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhJWusyj4I

    48. Re:flip flops by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I will personally be voting for Clinton because she's the only thing standing between Trump and the nuclear launch codes.

      Do you really want the nuclear launch codes in the hands of someone who is "extremely careless"?

    49. Re: flip flops by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if you DO live in a swing state, vote for Clinton. Your vote matters, and as much as you don't like her, she's far better than Trump.

  6. Honestly... by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Libertarian party had a chance to go mainstream but they blew it big-time.

    1. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Libertarian party had a chance to go mainstream but they blew it big-time.

      The Libertarians are just republicans who want legal weed.

    2. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a former member of the LP, I can say they've blown their chance on multiple occasions. Every election they trot out some nutty extremist who is ill equipped to hold office.

    3. Re:Honestly... by geek · · Score: 2

      The Libertarian party had a chance to go mainstream but they blew it big-time.

      Agreed. Johnson is about as Libertarian as Clinton is Liberal. Johnson has been their champion for the better part of a decade and they've only seen their numbers get worse. The guy is a fucking train wreck worse than Trump or Clinton.

    4. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Libertarian party killed itself when it abandoned any concept of small government in favor of allying with Democrats on a few social issues they found agreeable. Nothing quite like seeing moderators at a libertarian forum declare victory on a social issue because a new government agency was formed to enforce "equality" (any actual resemblance to equal protection under law is entirely accidental and unintended). Most of the comments asking how any of that helped reduce government tyranny were deleted within a few hours.

    5. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truly - they don't protect predators like the Clintons, and Trumps.

    6. Re:Honestly... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      So... Republicans without the religious baggage?

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    7. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So... Republicans without the religious baggage?

      Not necessarily, look at their icon Ron Paul.

    8. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious what the next election cycle holds for a third party.

    9. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a former member of the LP, I can say they've blown their chance on multiple occasions. Every election they trot out some nutty extremist who is ill equipped to hold office.

      As opposed to Trump?

    10. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly they didn't need to "go mainstream" they just needed to front a candidate as Non-Trump Republican (Which Johnson could have done if someone would have taken him into a back room and smacked him around until he agreed to pretend to give a damn about the election) and set aside some of the extreme libertarian rhetoric for an election cycle. The dozens of uncompromising ancaps they lose by doing that would easily be dwarfed by Republicans fleeing the Trump ship, and straight ticket voters would pump up the numbers in Congress and local seats.

      But no, we're going to get another four years of The Bad because Perfect blocked The Good.

    11. Re:Honestly... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Johnson is about as Libertarian as Clinton is Liberal. Johnson has been their champion for the better part of a decade and they've only seen their numbers get worse.

      Factually wrong on every point. Johnson ran for the Libertarian nomination in 2012 after he didn't make it in the 2012 GOP primaries. In 2012, he got just about 1%. This year, he's polling anywhere between 8-13%. Even if he were to finish on the low end of that range, it would be a huge improvement over where they were in 2012.

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    12. Re:Honestly... by swalve · · Score: 1

      I don't think you know what libertarian means.

    13. Re:Honestly... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Libertarian party had a chance to go mainstream but they blew it big-time.

      Indeed. I had high hopes a few months ago that we'd at least have the possibility of seeing a 3rd-party candidate on the debate stage. In a year when the two major parties have basically elected the most hated candidates in history, ANYONE else might have seemed like a "breath of fresh air." I sincerely doubted a 3rd-party candidate could actually win the election, but with all the squabbling and ill-will toward the major parties, it could have really started to shake stuff up in future years if a 3rd-party candidate managed to get maybe 15% or even 20+% of the vote.

      Alas, Johnson has had a few major gaffes, and most of the mainstream media will be relentless on stamping out any 3rd-party voice at any chance they can get (particularly in a year like this where everyone keeps saying "the stakes are so high"). And Johnson doesn't have the brand-recognition or the savvy to play up these gaffes in a way like Trump would -- Trump would just call everyone else idiots and say something outlandish so everyone forgot about the gaffe. So the media can feel okay in going back to just ignoring the 3rd parties.

      Frankly, the whole Aleppo thing was less disconcerting to me than the later interview where Johnson couldn't name ANY world leader he respected. I can understand someone just having a moment of confusion once around a place name on the other side of the planet. But you're asked repeatedly if you can identify ONE world leader you admire, and you can't think of anyone?? Even if you can't remember the person's name you'd really like to say, come up with something else. Or move the question to some other non-"leader" you'd admire. Or anything really. He just stammered and couldn't come up with anything... which means he either is decidely ignorant about world politics or is exceedingly bad at public debate (and unable to recover if he forgot one name). Either way, it was embarrassing.

      And thus, I'm no longer sure it would have been a good thing to have him on stage at the debates. If he were asked the wrong question, it would make 3rd parties even more fringe and unrealistic than they already seem to most people.

    14. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe if they focused more effort on local, congressional, and state races and build a power base they'd have a better chance

    15. Re:Honestly... by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Not only that but the measly 1% he got in 2012 was the best ever voting turnout for the Libertarian Party. Kudos to the Party for not bowing to the crazy pants removers in the party and putting up someone who is extreme and nuts out there and sticking with Gary, who while imperfect, has a good track record on freedom and actual political experience to back it up.

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    16. Re:Honestly... by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter. He's not going to win. If you vote Libertarian now, you might have a COUPLE of libertarian candidates to chose from in the next cycle, and you might have a Libertarian on the debate stage to push the Republican candidate slightly further into the Libertarian positions.

      You are not voting for Johnson, you are voting for a third party. You should do it, because the current two are crap.

      In 12 years, either the Libertarian party will have replaced the Republican party, or (much more likely) the Republican party will embrace more Libertarian ideas, but only if you vote Libertarian now. Johnson as a person is unimportant.

      (I also think Democrats outside of swing states should vote libertarian, because I think a Libertarian win will also improve push the Democratic platform. It's a win-win for either party.)

    17. Re:Honestly... by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      You can argue whether Johnson is No True Libertarian or not. But in the last elecion, Johnson received 1,275,951 votes nationally (0.99% of the popular vote), setting a record for the most votes won by a Libertarian Party presidential nominee. He is almost certain to break that record this election. So the one thing you cannot say is that he is driving voters away.

    18. Re:Honestly... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      In 2012 he's had a better showing than any previous libertarian candidate, nearly doubling the next best showing. And this year current polling suggests he will do about 8 times better than his 2012 showing.

      I don't know how much of this is due to Johnson himself. It might have more to do with the increasing popularity of the Libertarian party itself, or decreasing popularity of the 2 major parties, but the claim that he's doing worse than his predecessors is about as factually wrong as anything can be.

    19. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a former member of the LP, I can say they've blown their chance on multiple occasions. Every election they trot out some nutty extremist who is ill equipped to hold office.

      I attended a few LP events myself, until I read past the touchy-feely rhetoric and figured out they're just far right Republicans. So of course they bring in nutty extremists--look as Ron Paul.

    20. Re:Honestly... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I can name lots of world leaders. When I first heard this, I could not honestly say that I admired any of them. The people I admire are not typically politicians.

      Let's see just off the top of my head, I swear:
      I might get some spellings wrong, and I might get some ex-leaders rather than current leaders (because I'm not cheating)
      U.S.A. - Obama (I guess I admire him, but I don't think this counts)
      GB - Cameron? But he just resigned after brexit or something....
      Germany - Merkel
      France - Holland
      China - Shi jin ping?
      Syria - Asad
      Iran - Ahmadinajad / Khamanei
      Iraq - Malaki
      Afghanistan - Starts wth a K... damnit I know this one.
      Venezuela - Maduro
      Mexico - Pena Nieto
      Russia - Putin
      Itlay - Burlesconi
      Egypt - Al Sisi
      Turkey - Erdogan
      North Korea - Kim Jong un
      Saudi Arabia - fomrelry king Abdulluh? But he died and now his son is in charge I think.
      Canada - Trudeaux (Seems like a nice guy, don;t know if I admire him yet, he just started)
      India - Modi
      Pakistan - Formerly Bhutto (maybe I admire her for her courage, but she's not a *current* world leader), don;t know who took over.
      Australia - was Abott last time I checked (don;t know if they had a new election yet).

      I think I probably would have done better on this pop quiz than most US congressman and governors. I can't name any I admire, except maybe Obama, and that answer would just make me look like I don't know any foreign leaders. It turns out that most notable foreign leaders are assholes.

      I normally roll my eyes when I hear someone call a question from the media a "gotcha question", but I kind of think this one. There aren't really any good answers that aren't bullshit. Maybe someone like Hillary can give a good answer because she's actually already met a lot of these people in person. This isn't even a foreign policy question. Although maybe giving a bullshit answer is a test of ones diplomatic abilities.

    21. Re:Honestly... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Recap:
      Afghanistan: I was thinking of Karzai, which is now wrong since Ashraf Ghani took over in 2014.
      Great Britain: There is a new PM Theresa May just recently
      Saudi Arabia: King Abdulluh's son is now King Salman
      Iraq: al-Malaki was succeeded by al-Abadi in 2015.
      Australia: Abbott was succeeded by Turnbull in 2015

      I don't think I did to bad for having not studied at all.

      I think I might have even done better than Gary, at the name foreign leaders pop quiz. But I think I would have failed equally hard to name one that I admired. I can't bullshit very well. I don't really know any of these people, and even if I did, I don't think I would admire many of them. Many of them are obviously assholes without even really knowing them.

    22. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he were asked the wrong question, it would make 3rd parties even more fringe and unrealistic than they already seem to most people.

      Johnson's gaffes were entirely predictable. The system is a fucking pressure boiler. So far the 3rd party candidates have been able to get away with light-weights simply because they haven't had to endure the intense pressure of being taken seriously. For a long time Trump was able to get away with it too, but now that he's being taken seriously he's imploding from the pressure.

      Its easy to kvetch about the system being corrupt or rigged, but the system also serves the purpose of "extreme vetting" for candidates. The scrutiny and expectations are brutal. And because of all that, the candidates that are qualified enough to take the pressure migrate to the two main parties because at least within those parties they actually have a chance of winning.

      Its a chicken and egg situation.

    23. Re:Honestly... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The Libertarian party had a chance to go mainstream but they blew it big-time.

      They were building support for their platform, but they ran out of Reardon metal.

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    24. Re:Honestly... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Some of the names on your list are a bit dated - like Berlusconi left years ago. Pakistan is led by Nawaz Sharif. Iran's president is Rouhani - Khamenei is still the chief Ayatollah, though, which is #1, so one can give you that. But overall you did a pretty good job. (Did all this w/o referring Wiki, which could have told me who Italy's current Prime Minister is)

    25. Re:Honestly... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      You forgot to double-check Iran, Mahmoud is old news.

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    26. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Johnson couldn't name ANY world leader he respected. I can understand someone just having a moment of confusion once around a place name on the other side of the planet. But you're asked repeatedly if you can identify ONE world leader you admire, and you can't think of anyone?? Even if you can't remember the person's name you'd really like to say, come up with something else. Or move the question to some other non-"leader" you'd admire. Or anything really. He just stammered and couldn't come up with anything... which means he either is decidely ignorant about world politics or is exceedingly bad at public debate (and unable to recover if he forgot one name). Either way, it was embarrassing.

      I think the issue was that he considered it a "gotcha" question. He assumed (justifiably) that anyone he named would be thrown back at him... "Oh, so you admire BLANK, what about this thing that they did that's objectionable?!"

      Sure, he's not a great public speaker, and if you want to disqualify him on that front, go ahead... but to promote the narrative that he somehow doesn't *know* the names of any foreign leaders is just absurd.

    27. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can [i]name[/i] a lot of world leaders, but I can't name any I [i]admire[/i] because for the most part, they're all shite. Desire to become a national leader has to be a psychopathology; I don't admire anyone who wants to run other people's lives. That said, some level of leadership is a necessary evil.

      At least Libertarians make some nod towards acknowledging this. That Johnson can't name any leaders he admires is a plus in my book. However, you have a valid point that he should have redirected the question.

    28. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... Republicans without the religious baggage?

      Capitalists without the pretense of compassion or social responsibility.

    29. Re:Honestly... by Talderas · · Score: 1

      I also think Democrats outside of swing states should vote libertarian, because I think a Libertarian win will also improve push the Democratic platform. It's a win-win for either party.

      I would find it amusing should Gary Johnson win a non-swing state because of this sort of behavior.

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    30. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. The libertarian party didn't blow anything yet. Their opportunity comes after Hillary takes office and the Republican party goes into full-on panic mode. At that point, Libertarians can swoop in and register themselves as Republicans, and work to change the party's platform in the next election.

      What most people think of as "left" and "right" are actually two orthogonal axes: Left = personal freedom (y-axis); Right = economic freedom (x-axis).

      +Personal Freedom
          ^
          Dem--Lib
          |.....|
          |.....|
          +----Rep > +Economic Freedom

      Libertarians value both personal and economic freedom. Clearly a majority of US voters now favor personal freedom over Economic Freedom, so it will be difficult for the Republicans win POTUS in 2020 or 2024 unless they change their platform.

      IMO the only the only solution for Republicans is to move in the direction of the Libertarian ideal.

    31. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair: no other word but "fringe" can apply to a party which drops the ball like that. I'm not immediately going to blame anyone personally, but either selecting an untrainable candidate or failing to practice for a public event is unforgivable for the organisation as a whole. And seriously, there aren't that many international things ongoing. Syria should have been covered, as should Columbia and Yemen. Any reasonable candidate could have been prepped for that. To put it bluntly: if you can't even survive a friendly interview, a hostile debate would be cringeworthy.

    32. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, the whole Aleppo thing was less disconcerting to me than the later interview where Johnson couldn't name ANY world leader he respected. I can understand someone just having a moment of confusion once around a place name on the other side of the planet. But you're asked repeatedly if you can identify ONE world leader you admire, and you can't think of anyone?? Even if you can't remember the person's name you'd really like to say, come up with something else. Or move the question to some other non-"leader" you'd admire. Or anything really. He just stammered and couldn't come up with anything... which means he either is decidely ignorant about world politics or is exceedingly bad at public debate (and unable to recover if he forgot one name). Either way, it was embarrassing.

      My take on it is a little bit different. Not that I am defending Johnson, but I would have a hard time naming a single world leader that I have any respect for whatsoever, other than the Prince of Liechtenstein (Prince Alois, had to google for his name). As far as I am concerned, every single other one of them could drop dead tomorrow and I might cry, a tear of joy that is.

    33. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean he could have at least said Hitler ... because uh ... he was such a threat to the world, that so many people and other nations banned together against him. Hitler basically became the pinnacle of EVIL in the 20th Century. something, something ... you get the point, it's not about honoring evil but honoring those that rose up against evil.

    34. Re:Honestly... by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > So the one thing you cannot say is that he is driving voters away.

      No, the one thing you cannot say is 'ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn', both because it lacks useful vowels, and will likely summon Cthulhu. But your point is still mostly valid.

    35. Re:Honestly... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      I think the issue was that he considered it a "gotcha" question. He assumed (justifiably) that anyone he named would be thrown back at him... "Oh, so you admire BLANK, what about this thing that they did that's objectionable?!"

      First, the actual question was to name a foreign leader he RESPECTS. Yes, I used the word "admire" too, as did some media sources, but the actual word was "respect." When the question was repeated on the show, it was also changed to "like." But NOT "admire," nor was it, as Johnson later tried to spin it, asking for his "favorite" leader.

      So, he wasn't asking to "admire" someone -- he was just asked for the name of someone he respects or even likes. That's a pretty low bar. And whatever name he came up with, he could immediately have followed with a disclaimer saying, "I don't know any that really stand up for libertarian principles. But, well, I respect what X does, but there are also serious problems with what he/she does with Y and Z." Or anything like that.

      Sure, he's not a great public speaker, and if you want to disqualify him on that front, go ahead... but to promote the narrative that he somehow doesn't *know* the names of any foreign leaders is just absurd.

      Umm, where did I promote the narrative that he doesn't "know the names of any foreign leaders"? I said this shows either he's a poor public speaker OR he's ignorant of world politics. I'm sure he knows the names of some foreign leaders, but he should have been able to come up with a name of someone who has SOME policies Johnson could respect. Being unable to do so either means you don't know enough about world politics or you haven't really thought deeply about how you might interact with other world leaders... or both.

      Or, it means he just had a REALLY bad public speaking moment. And that's relevant since my ENTIRE post was about whether or not it would be good to have Johnson on stage as a representative of a 3rd party at the main debates. Whether he's a good speaker or good at debate is precisely the most relevant thing to what I was talking about.

    36. Re:Honestly... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      That Johnson can't name any leaders he admires is a plus in my book.

      Note that the word in the question was "respect." The media have spun it as name a leader he "admires" and Johnson himself has spun it as though he were asked to name his "favorite" leader, which he said would have been a bad question to answer.

      But the actual world was "respect" -- name a world leader you respect. To me, that word implies that you can find someone who did SOMETHING that's good to your mind. He could have preceded his choice with some disclaimers or followed up with qualifiers to say why the person he named wasn't perfect... but the question was actually to name someone you "respect."

      I can understand why it would be difficult and perhaps even weird for a Presidential candidate to name another leader he "admires." But respect? Surely there is SOMEONE in the world Mr. Johnson has some respect for??

    37. Re: Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He probably has a decent shot at Utah.

    38. Re:Honestly... by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      Ron Paul isn't even a Libertarian as far as I'm concerned.

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    39. Re:Honestly... by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      Did you just pull all of that out of thin air, or do you have a source? Because it's seriously wrong.

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    40. Re:Honestly... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the corrections. Part of learning is learning how wrong you are about stuff :)

    41. Re:Honestly... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, at least they're honest about being selfish bastards. That's one notch up from the two airheads that are currently blaring at each other in every debate.

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    42. Re:Honestly... by dywolf · · Score: 1

      The Libertarian party had a chance to go mainstream but they blew it big-time.

      Indeed.

      Johnson is a nice guy, a funny guy (I appreciate him even trying to turn his gaffes into self-deprecating humour), and has a handful of positions I agree with.
      But otherwise he's a hard right conservative whom I could never support because the overwhelming bad outweighs the couple good things.

      Really, they should be running Bill Weld.
      The man's credentials are better than Johnson's, and he has a functioning brain.
      Johnson is not now, and may never, be ready for the job of POTUS.

      I say this as a person who leans left-libertarian more than liberal (but I will embrace that term when used against for I am not ashamed of it) and mocks the laughable "Libertarians" on the right and thinks their ideology is idiotic

      But in the year of Trump/Clinton, they decided to run Johnson, and even I can see the stupidity of that.

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    43. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least they're honest about being selfish bastards.

      Not really. Libertarians do believe that their system is more moral and ethical, and thus they are the less selfish people for supporting it. Many would go on the offensive and accuse people who question their ideas as being the truly selfish ones (damn statist collectivists! Pinko commie scum!)

    44. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the only reason he isn't polling higher is because polling companies are intentionally excluding him. So he didn't know what Aleppo was? big deal. The other candidates wouldn't either if they didn't get their morning security briefing from the white house, you know, like Governor Johnson.

    45. Re:Honestly... by aquacrayfish · · Score: 1

      I want to agree with you on this, but I'm pretty sure that in the year of the protest vote, where we pretty much have 3 parties falling squarely in that camp, he should be polling better than he is. Maybe he is the sanest choice for the party he represents, but I would not call how he is doing a success. His ignorance of the world stage has stopped him form gaining a ton of traction when there was plenty to grab. The fact that the media was giving him the interviews he got when he showed that ignorance shows that the media was begging for another candidate.

    46. Re:Honestly... by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      It's a loaded question whether the word is admire or respect, because both can be defined in such a way as to paint you in a bad light should you choose any human being. The only two choices that came to my mind when I heard this story were the newest pope, the Dalai Lama, and Aung San Suu Kyi, none of which I could remember the names of on the spot. And even if I did recall their names odds are that they've said or done something reprehensible that'd soon be shoved in my face. Hell the safest answer to that question would probably be "Putin, because you have to respect venomous snakes unless you fancy getting bit."

    47. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      And thus, I'm no longer sure it would have been a good thing to have him on stage at the debates. If he were asked the wrong question, it would make 3rd parties even more fringe and unrealistic than they already seem to most people.

      That's a fair point. On the other hand, since he is a libertarian, and most world leaders are decidedly not, it's sort of understandable to not have a foreign politician he admires. He should have come up with something later, or - like you said - move the question to a non-politician - but it's not as bad as all that.

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    48. Re:Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't say anything about Trump. I refuse to attack your strawmen.

  7. Man voices opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More at 11.

    Stay tuned as the story unfolds.

    1. Re:Man voices opinion by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Cartoonist changes mind. Story at 10.

  8. No one else left by dwsobw · · Score: 1

    His endorsement seems to be mainly based on that there is no one else left. He should have endorsed Jill_Stein, at least she might know someone that is not from her state ...

    1. Re:No one else left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He really should have endorsed Alfred E. Neuman.

      I don't know why there are all of these new protest candidates when we have a perfectly good one already.

    2. Re:No one else left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His endorsement seems to be mainly based on that there is no one else left. He should have endorsed Jill_Stein, at least she might know someone that is not from her state ...

      Are you fucking stupid? why the fuck would a MRA endorse Jill Stein?

      Also, Adams is a fucking Republican, (And so are the Libertarians, just look at the past party affiliations of their nominees). Have you bothered to compare the Libertarian platform to the Green platform; not even fucking close.

      The only thing those two have going for them is Johnson isn't Ron Paul and Stein isn't Cynthia McKinney. Otherwise their both worthless candidates who couldn't make it any further in their political party of choice because they're worthless candidates.

  9. I loved colossal cave adventure! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    web CRANK endorses political KOOK

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  10. Are you really that stupid? by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You aren't really able to understand what he's saying at all, are you?

    Hint: He hasn't actually once changed who he is supporting or who he is saying you should support. This time is no different.

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    1. Re:Are you really that stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This exactly. He explained it in a Stephan Molyneux interview. He was getting threats for supporting Trump so he changed it and the threats stopped. He lives in the People's Republic of the Bay Area where it is dangerous to health and property to support Trump. His fans know who he supports but it threw the stupid people off the trail.

    2. Re:Are you really that stupid? by fnj · · Score: 1

      He hasn't actually once changed who he is supporting

      What part of QUOTE "But recently I switched my endorsement to Trump" UNQUOTE, and QUOTE "Why I Endorse Gary Johnson" UNQUOTE do you not understand, chump?

    3. Re:Are you really that stupid? by quantaman · · Score: 2

      This exactly. He explained it in a Stephan Molyneux interview. He was getting threats for supporting Trump so he changed it and the threats stopped. He lives in the People's Republic of the Bay Area where it is dangerous to health and property to support Trump. His fans know who he supports but it threw the stupid people off the trail.

      You don't really buy this to you? Absolutely no one bought Adams' endorsements of anyone but Trump. Just look at absolute lack out outrage from the Trump supporters at his blog when he "switched" his endorsement.

      I have no idea of people actually threatened Adams, or if those threats stopped at some point, but it has nothing to do with his fake endorsements.

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    4. Re:Are you really that stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In two words: bull. shit.

      If he was really "getting threats" for supporting Trump, then why did he always make it clear that he wasn't serious in endorsing Clinton and keep writing masturbatorily glowing reviews of everything Trump did? Is he seriously claiming that Clinton's supporters are smart enough to track down his real life address, but too dumb to see through the most transparent fake since - well, since Trump?

      "Threw the stupid people off the trail", my ass. Nobody is stupid enough to believe that.

  11. He's not done yet! by scunc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since he's already endorsed Clinton, Trump, and Johnson, I look forward to Scott Adams' inevitable endorsement of Jill Stein. One of the most important things about being a "Master Persuader" is saying enough conflicting bullshit that you can point back to the time you got it right!
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    1. Re:He's not done yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's satire. Look at the title of the Gary Johnson support blog. Re-read the entire Hilary blog. It's 100% obvious where his support lies.

    2. Re:He's not done yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the most important things about being a "Master Persuader" is saying enough conflicting bullshit that you can point back to the time you got it right!

      I now understand why he endorses Trump. Birds of a feather and all that.

    3. Re:He's not done yet! by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Since he's already endorsed Clinton, Trump, and Johnson, I look forward to Scott Adams' inevitable endorsement of Jill Stein. One of the most important things about being a "Master Persuader" is saying enough conflicting bullshit that you can point back to the time you got it right!

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      Pay no attention to the man behind the comic strip ...

      Ahhh, but that's what the Certified Genius Master Persuader Scott Adams wants you to think!

      You've fallen right into his trap! While you're playing checkers he and his six pack are playing 15th dimensional Go Chess!!

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    4. Re:He's not done yet! by Bookworm09 · · Score: 2

      Ahhh, but that's what the Certified Genius Master Persuader Scott Adams wants you to think!

      You've fallen right into his trap! While you're playing checkers he and his six pack are playing 15th dimensional Go Chess!!

      Man, I wish I had mod points for you. Reading his blog over the last few months has made it painfully clear what a narcissistic dipshit he really is. "Because I'm a hypnotist!!1", is his explanation of every stupid claim he makes. It's sad; I used to enjoy the Dilbert strip. They're mostly ruined for me now.

      Instead of being like the character Dilbert, he's more like a cross of the PHB and Dogbert.

  12. Of the lesser evils... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a pot head is the least evil. In fact, pot heads aren't even evil. They're just really, really annoying.

    1. Re: Of the lesser evils... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      And smelly.

    2. Re: Of the lesser evils... by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      and stoned out of their skull

    3. Re: Of the lesser evils... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      and have the munchies

  13. How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scott Adams is woefully out of touch with the culture he used to comment on. He supported Trump, and now he's a Libertarian.

    Gary Johnson wants to destroy public education and incentivize private education. I'd think most Slashdotters value education, and would find Gary Johnson's views on education to be disgusting.

    1. Re:How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gary Johnson wants to destroy public education

      Can't say how it is where you live, but public education is already seen as smoking crater to many.

    2. Re: How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we dump more money in the crater it might fix itself.

    3. Re:How is this news for nerds? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work in Public Education, and saying it can't be improved by competition the reason why it is failing in so many places. You can spend all the money in the world on "Tech Toys", but it only obfuscates what some of us already know, some teachers just suck. And there are enough of them that you can't dodge all the raindrops.

      When I walk into a classroom, and the teacher has Ricki Lake on the TV for the class, and is reading a newspaper, and there is nothing I or anyone else can do (like fire the teacher), the system is already been destroyed from within. The public schools aren't educating kids, they are indoctrinating them. We are more concerned with "safe zones" and "anti-bullying" (which doesn't stop bullying, but is used to dodge lawsuits) than if the kids can read, write and do math.

      Our educational system is built on Industrial style schooling, and isn't about to change. We have one size fits all education in a world that is built on information age tools. Treating our kids like robots is the goal of our educational system, and there is almost nothing you can say to dissuade me from my view.

      We aren't building cogs for use in factories, why are we educating our kids that way? So, when you say Gary Johnson wants to destroy something that is already broken, you're not going to get any argument from me, it NEEDS to be destroyed. Fuck the Establishment Educational system. it is a dinosaur, 70 years out of date.

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    4. Re: How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because we need better pay for the managers of teachers (aka Educators). There's not a chance any of that money would filter down to the teachers. If the teachers see Educators making 3-7x what they are making, that will more likely encourage them to become Educators, not better teachers. Please don't point to the union and say that they can fix it. They make sure that the pay matches the lowest common denominator of teacher, and that the worst are protected alongside the best. As for union watching out for pay, they don't. As a union, how can you do nothing when a school district 'freezes' the pay of their staff. When the 'pay freeze' is complete, the teacher has effectively lost a year (or more) of service, with no way to reclaim it other than job hopping. Educators weren't totally, crazy, however; in one particular case, they kept giving raises to un-tenured teachers. Eventually, the pay rate for the first five years became a flat rate, while tenured teachers were denied 4 or 5 raises. Then they complain when their best teachers move on. This is just the K12 system. I cannot image what the higher education system is like.

      TL;DR - The educational system is a terrible mess. Pouring money in the crater - without a plan for how to fix it - will just enrich a small enclave of Educators, and won't help the people in the trenches doing the education. And fixing it will be a difficult undertaking that will require careful planning first, then money.

    5. Re:How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gary Johnson wants to destroy public education

      Can't say how it is where you live, but public education is already seen as smoking crater to many.

      To fix education you have to ban private schools, because the rich fuckers who haven't been using them have been sabotaging their success to both line their own pockets and reduce competition for their brats. Once you do that, the rich fuckers who have been sending their little shit's there will have to get involved and perhaps shit will start getting fixed That's step 1..

    6. Re:How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work in Public Education, and saying it can't be improved by competition the reason why it is failing in so many places. You can spend all the money in the world on "Tech Toys", but it only obfuscates what some of us already know, some teachers just suck. And there are enough of them that you can't dodge all the raindrops.

      When I walk into a classroom, and the teacher has Ricki Lake on the TV for the class, and is reading a newspaper, and there is nothing I or anyone else can do (like fire the teacher), the system is already been destroyed from within. The public schools aren't educating kids, they are indoctrinating them. We are more concerned with "safe zones" and "anti-bullying" (which doesn't stop bullying, but is used to dodge lawsuits) than if the kids can read, write and do math.

      Our educational system is built on Industrial style schooling, and isn't about to change. We have one size fits all education in a world that is built on information age tools. Treating our kids like robots is the goal of our educational system, and there is almost nothing you can say to dissuade me from my view.

      We aren't building cogs for use in factories, why are we educating our kids that way? So, when you say Gary Johnson wants to destroy something that is already broken, you're not going to get any argument from me, it NEEDS to be destroyed. Fuck the Establishment Educational system. it is a dinosaur, 70 years out of date.

      Spoken like a privileged white boy, hypocrite--because that's what you are if you work in public education and vote Republican.

      The only outcome of the Republican plan for education is to generate as many bible-thumping, ignorant, breeders and perhaps smoke a bit of weed who vote Republican because they're fucking cowards hiding behind their assault rifles but think think the Jesus will give them the winning lottery ticket. All while the Republican oligarchy looks for another way of making even more profits.

      Want to know what the Republican ideal is? Just take a drive through the south on US 80, because if you aren't born lucky, that's how your life is going to end up.

    7. Re:How is this news for nerds? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      So, when you say Gary Johnson wants to destroy something that is already broken, you're not going to get any argument from me, it NEEDS to be destroyed.

      Fair enough. And replace it with...?

      Yeah. That's what I thought.

      It's easy to tear things down. It's harder to build things up.

    8. Re:How is this news for nerds? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Here is a thought. Replace it with vouchers which can be used by any accredited school.

      Let the parents decide if the inner city school is serving their kids well by keeping the status quo that is sucking the life out of kids who want to learn, but can't.

      Let the parents decide if they want to put their kid in a special school for "Really Smart People" that doesn't ignore the smart kids in favor of the trouble makers and idiots.

      Let the parents decide if they want to put their kid into a School for the Arts and Music.

      Let the parents decide if they want to put their kid in "Math and Sciences" based school.

      Let the parents decide if they want to put their kid in the school for Snowflakes, Emos and Wallflowers, Computer in a wall (https://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_shows_how_kids_teach_themselves?language=en) or Green families, or Computer Nerds or .... whatever

      Oh, I don't know, let the parents decide what school their kid deserves to be in. Hell you can even give vouchers worth "extra" to those with "Special needs" where they get to spend the money the way they think their kid needs.

      Saying "Yeah, that's what I thought" shows dismissive answer to real problems that need addressing. Any and all protests against voucher or programs like that is that it might destroy public schools. Well, if they can't handle (compete) against better schools, then they should die. The most common answer by the anti Voucher people is "Yeah our schools suck, but you shouldn't have a choice because you might choose something I don't like for your kid"

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    9. Re:How is this news for nerds? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      You call privilege a bad thing, when I am trying to extend it to people who don't have it. You'd rather the inner city blacks remain uneducated with the status quo, rather than learn something and free themselves from the plantation of the DNC.

      You have no idea how ignorant you really sound.

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    10. Re: How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the most surprising changes have been inner city/ghetto kids --- mainly, but not exclusively black --- who dropped out of the public school system, and into one that taught them something. To the point that these inner city kids are graduating with BAs by age 17.

    11. Re:How is this news for nerds? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Scott Adams is woefully out of touch with the culture he used to comment on. He supported Trump, and now he's a Libertarian.

      Gary Johnson wants to destroy public education and incentivize private education. I'd think most Slashdotters value education, and would find Gary Johnson's views on education to be disgusting.

      If it is about nerds, it could easily be about Dilbert, and if it's about Dilbert, Scott Adams would be relevant. I do think though, that his switching from Trump to Johnson makes little sense whatsoever. He should study the issues, decide who he agrees w/ the most, and go w/ him/her.

      Why does /. not point out that RMS has endorsed Stein (after previously backing Bernie) and also have a story on who ESR supports?

    12. Re:How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd rather the inner city blacks remain uneducated with the status quo, rather than learn something and free themselves from the plantation of the DNC.

      That is not a bug but a feature of Progressive governance.

    13. Re:How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To fix education you have to ban private schools, because the rich fuckers who haven't been using them have been sabotaging their success to both line their own pockets and reduce competition for their brats. Once you do that, the rich fuckers who have been sending their little shit's there will have to get involved and perhaps shit will start getting fixed That's step 1..

      With that comment, we can confirm you are a product of a dysfunctional inner city school or a school located in Cuba.

    14. Re: How is this news for nerds? by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Do you really wanna know what teachers make: go to http://transparentcalifornia.c... and enter "teacher" under job title.
      Those are actual salaries for California state employees.

    15. Re:How is this news for nerds? by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      He says: here's some things wrong with education, I've seen it personally
      You say : derp derp derp Repuglicans! Racists!

      Seriously, I can see why you're posting anonymous.

  14. "Reality"? by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Clinton supporters have been telling me for a few days that any visible support for Trump makes you a supporter of sex abuse. From a persuasion standpoint, that actually makes sense. If people see it that way, that's the reality you have to deal with. I choose to not be part of that reality...

    Trump has a LONG and well documented history of misogynistic and racist behavior. This is merely the latest in a long line of horrifying behavior by him with regard to women and minorities. The man has been blatantly campaigning by appealing to (mostly via lies) the most base tribal instincts of scared white males. I can understand if someone dislikes Hillary or if you like some third party candidate but to pretend that Trump's behavior is some kind of made up reality by the Clinton campaign is just idiotic.

    To be fair, Gary Johnson is a pot head who didn't know what Allepo was. I call that relatable.

    One person's relatable is another person's ignorant. I don't give a shit if the president is relatable. Honestly I haven't seen a good one that was. I care if they are competent and I care that their political views don't diverge too far from my own. They don't have to be nice but they can't be an asshole like Trump. If Gary Johnson doesn't have a clue about international affairs (which accounts for about 2/3 of the job of the president) then I don't really think he's cut out for the job.

    1. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has a LONG and well documented history of misogynistic and racist behavior.

      But so does Hillary. That's the point he's trying to make.

    2. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you're an idiot. Seriously, are you not familiar with the man? You should learn something about him before commenting. (Hint, he doesn't support Johnson. It is in fact possible for people to say things they don't actually mean. And in his case, he's not lying, he's using things called sarcasm and satire. Something that would be a lie, if not that it were so outlandish that nobody intelligent would take it as truth. Honestly, the fact that you don't seem to get this is terrifying that you're probably allowed to vote.)

    3. Re:"Reality"? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Funny

      I care if they are competent

      Clearly you can't choose the candidate on the left. But you must have known this ...

      Trump has a LONG and well documented history of misogynistic and racist behavior.

      So clearly you can't choose the candidate on the right.

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    4. Re:"Reality"? by meta-monkey · · Score: 0

      Hillary called Jesse Jackson a n*gger and has screamed about Jews and retarded kids. She was a member of an all-white country club until political pressure made her quit. She intimidated and silenced her husband's rape victims so as not to damage her political career.

      Neither Trump nor Clinton have a stellar record when it comes to sex and race issues. If your deciding factor for president is "no sexists, no racists" then neither the Democrat nor the Republican is for you this cycle. Pick Johnson or Stein.

      Me, I'm voting Trump because I don't care about sexism or racism but he's the only one I believe will actually 86 the TPP. And he'll stop the Mexican rapists.

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    5. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has a LONG and well documented history of misogynistic and racist behavior.

      But so does Hilary. That's the point of his post.

      Trump is such a misogynist I wonder if he's trying to hide something?

    6. Re:"Reality"? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      appealing to (mostly via lies) the most base tribal instincts of scared white males

      It's true white males are gods who never should fear anything, unlike helpless female and brown creatures kneeling before them, but sometimes God feels like taking a piss.

    7. Re:"Reality"? by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Was that the type of satire Adams has been producing lately?

    8. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I somewhat agree with you. Although I'm VERY against the Democratic immigration proposal BECAUSE it is incredibly racist. It's heavily skewed toward favoring latinos (basically percentage of decreasing as you move south from Mexico) - when there is a LONG line of credible immigration applicants from every country on earth.

      Favoring the population that moved here (illegally) - over:

      - asians
      - africans
      - middle easterners
      - south americans
      - europeans
      - australians

      etc - is incredibly backwards and fucked up to me. Not that Trump is a better solution, but I wish you dems would get off your racist high horse and actually do the right thing. Reform and increase immigration to all nations, where "having lived here illegally" is not something that bumps you up that list (in reality, it should bump you down / off).

      Thanks - "totally scared white dude"

    9. Re:"Reality"? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      What did I say that made you think I was not being honest? Hillary has a history of racism and sexism. Trump has a history of racism and sexism. Trump opposes TPP, Hillary is for it, and 80% of Central American women and girls are raped during their illegal border crossing, so somebody's doing the raping.

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    10. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wat

    11. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      long line of horrifying behavior

      I played Doom and so did you. Stop clutching at Pearls you don't own.

    12. Re:"Reality"? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      I care if they are competent

      Clearly you can't choose the candidate on the left. But you must have known this ...

      Sorry, but regardless of anyone's (dis)like for Clinton, she is - by definition - "competent" to be President:

      com pe tent /kämpdnt/
      adjective

      having the necessary ability, knowledge, or skill to do something successfully.

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    13. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The asshole argument applied to current pool of candidates would nullify this election.

    14. Re:"Reality"? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Name her top three successes she has had as Senator or Secretary of State. Don't look them up, just name the first three off the top of your head?

      I won't hold my breath. I really don't think "Competent" is the word you're looking for. She lacks ability and skill. Knowledge isn't enough.

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    15. Re: "Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prior to circa 1980,the dominant, as numerically largest group, of illegal immigrants to the United States were from a small, wet, poor island that is well off the outskirts if the coast of Europe, albeit is now, and for the firseeable future, part of tbe European Economic Community. The government of that country is now complaining that immigration is a major problem, because it historically beena nation of emmigrants.

    16. Re:"Reality"? by j-beda · · Score: 1

      What did I say that made you think I was not being honest?

      I think it was the "has screamed about Jews and retarded kids" that tainted my impression of your post - there are a lot of things I am unhappy about in regard to the Clinton campaign - but her behaviour towards blacks, jews and "retarded kids" really hasn't been on my radar. I guess a the media elites have been keeping that information away from me. Wait - I thought the media elites were jews? Or have I mis-remembered?

      I am completely unclear how rape rates for illegal border crossers enters into either candidate's philosophy or policy statements - surely you are not saying that one or both of them is "pro-rape-of-illegal-border-crossers"? Wasn't the narrative that the crossers were themselves rapists?

      I guess I'm just not well enough informed.

    17. Re:"Reality"? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I think it was the "has screamed about Jews and retarded kids" that tainted my impression of your post - there are a lot of things I am unhappy about in regard to the Clinton campaign - but her behaviour towards blacks, jews and "retarded kids" really hasn't been on my radar.

      In books written by former Clinton associates she's been quoted as using racial/ethic epithets against Jewish and black colleagues, and during a White House Easter Egg hunt for handicapped kids she complained about the "retarded kids" still on the lawn.

      Shocking, a 68 year old white lady is a little bit racist.

      I don't give a shit about racism, but apparently some people vote based on that. Personally if I were a white supremacist I'd be voting for Clinton. She'll lock up the super predators and her welfare programs would keep the darkies confined to section 8 housing. If Trump gets in and brings back jobs and drive up wages, the negroes might be able to get jobs and move to the suburbs and come for da white wimminz. Can't have that! Hillary 2016 if you want to keep the suburbs white.

      I am completely unclear how rape rates for illegal border crossers enters into either candidate's philosophy or policy statements - surely you are not saying that one or both of them is "pro-rape-of-illegal-border-crossers"? Wasn't the narrative that the crossers were themselves rapists?

      Trump wants to build a wall and enforce the border. If people aren't crossing illegally then there's no victims for the coyotes to rape. So a Trump presidency results in less rape. But Hillary's not going to do anything to change the situation because her party wants those rape anchor babies as future democratic voters and her donors want the cheap, exploitable slave labor to keep coming, so if you're a pro-rape voter then Hillary's your gal.

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    18. Re:"Reality"? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Even if what you imply is true, the definition for competent uses the word "or" so, again, by definition, contrary to your assertion, knowledge is enough. From a practical point we should demand more, but even just that would be more than her (main) opponent has to offer. US politics is in a sad place - not just the presidential race, but the contents of House and Senate as well.

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    19. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We elected Nixon. Do you need more of a rebuttal?

    20. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has a very good record when it comes to racism. He literally sued to force an all-white country club to allow blacks and Jews into it.

      People view anti-illegal immigration as racist, which is pure insanity: it's being against an act that is illegal by definition. I understand that some people are for open borders, but currently that's not how our system works, but it is how it acts under the current administration.

      Clearly his words about women don't look quite as well on him, but it's easy to see words versus actions. If he actually did half of what he claimed, then the media would be lining women up to show it. This has been the most one-sided election that I have ever seen with the media simply not reporting on anything related to Hillary, except as brief stints to proclaim her innocence relative to her criminal email acts. People know that the media is biased, but I had never seen it so outrageously biased.

      I never watch CNN on my own, but it's the only channel on at my local gym and they are always running something that is anti-Trump. I get that he's newsworthy, but I don't think that anyone can reasonably claim that there is any balance in the news cycle. Hillary has broken the law and gotten away with it, allowed a US Ambassador to be murdered while Secretary of State and lied about it, but we're worried about a tax return from the 90s, which was illegally obtained, and a hot mic issue from 10 years ago where one guy spoke inappropriately with another guy.

    21. Re:"Reality"? by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Trump wants to build a wall and enforce the border. If people aren't crossing illegally then there's no victims for the coyotes to rape. So a Trump presidency results in less rape. But Hillary's not going to do anything to change the situation because her party wants those rape anchor babies as future democratic voters and her donors want the cheap, exploitable slave labor to keep coming, so if you're a pro-rape voter then Hillary's your gal.

      Do you really think this way or is this just a rhetorical tool? The party "wants those rape anchor babies as future democratic voters"? With everyone carrying cell phones I would have thought that some disgruntled employee or other "heroic American" would have gotten some video of the evil overloards coordinating their nefarious plans.

      I like a good conspiricy myself, but my personal experience with a vast number of people of all political stripes and at a wide range of "political power" indicates that virtually none of them would be capable of keeping that sort of thing under wraps, and besides their behaviour is perfectly well explained by the combination of overly-rigid ideology, wishful thinking, difficulty of learning from previous situations, and short-term thinking all encouraged by a poorly designed incentive system.

      Maybe I am an outlier in this type of situation, but I am more likely to pay attention to someone who says: "My opponent may have the best of intentions in wanting to have an outcome of "A", but even if they do manage to do "A" their proposed policy will result in the negative "B", which is much to high a cost." rather than someone who says: "My opponent, who is basically Satan by the way, is trying to to "B" because they are evil (and always have been, they kick dogs don't you know) and any talk they might have about caring about "A" is total fabrication."

    22. Re:"Reality"? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Why do you think no one has bothered to do anything about illegal immigration for 30 years?

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    23. Re:"Reality"? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      He literally sued to force an all-white country club to allow blacks and Jews into it.

      No, he owned the club and decreed that blacks and Jews would be allowed in, when all the other fancy clubs in Palm Beach forbade them.

      Regardless, I think arguing over racism and sexism is stupid. Do they still exist in America? Of course. Racism and sexism will exist as long as humans exist. But when I rank the problems facing the country, racism and sexism are so far down on the list they don't even register. The reason blacks don't have jobs isn't because of discrimination, it's because there are no jobs. A president who's a member of the KKK but who brings jobs back to America will do more for black poverty than the reincarnation of MLK but who keeps importing Mexican slave labor and exporting jobs.

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    24. Re:"Reality"? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      So, to be competent you just need to claim one of the three? She has the knowledge but completely lacks the skills (proven).

      Or if you're just being pedantic, I would suggest to you that it takes all three, being rough synonyms of each other. So, knowledge without skill or ability is like having someone reading a Medical Book on brain surgery, thinking they can be a brain surgeon.

      She has neither necessary skill or abilty (proven) even if she has the knowledge (debatable, with all her "I don't remember" moments during depositions).

      I Noticed you can't (or didn't) name three accomplishments as Secretary of State. Not that I am a supporter of Trump, but he is more qualified than a Junior Senator from Illinois was just 8 years ago. I didn't think we could have a worse candidate that BHO was 8 years ago, but somehow, we managed to pull it off with two that are absolutely worse.

      Lastly, if everyone who admits that Trump and Clinton are gawd awful candidates actually voted for Johnson, he would win ... in a landslide.

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    25. Re:"Reality"? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That word you keep using, "presidential", I do not think it means what you think it does.

    26. Re:"Reality"? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      You (and you ilk) like to throw the word "proven" about a lot, but it's truly just opinion. Trump has the same problem confusing truth, lies and facts and, apparently, seriously does not know how video tape works. However, he has an obvious "tell" when lying - his mouth is moving. To be sure, Clinton has serious issues too, but Trump may actually be the least qualified person to be President (or, obviously, a casino owner) - ever.

      To be serious, main complaints I have about Trump, other than his racism, sexism, misogyny, etc..., and his candidacy are (a) his apparent lack of understanding of how the government works - specifically the three branches and states vs federal rights/responsibilities and (b) his complete lack of *any* specifics or rational specifics. Simply spouting words like: best, greatest, phenomenal, huge, etc... are not enough.

      Lastly, if everyone who admits that Trump and Clinton are gawd awful candidates actually voted for Johnson, he would win ... in a landslide.

      Granted, but I'm not sure that would actually be a good thing - Gary's a really nice guy, but an idiot. But... better than Jill Stein.

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    27. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has a LONG and well documented history of misogynistic and racist behavior.

      I'll agree that Trump is more racist than the alternatives, but on sexism, Clinton takes a clear lead:

      "Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat." - Hillary Clinton

      Clinton has expressed the view that the emotional suffering of a woman who loses a man from her life is worse than the suffering of the man who actually dies. This callous double standard is far worse than anything Trump has come up with. Can you imagine Trump saying that it's better for a woman to die than for a man to be upset?

    28. Re:"Reality"? by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Why do you think no one has bothered to do anything about illegal immigration for 30 years?

      Your question is silly. It assumes the truth of the statement "no one has bothered" when there are lots and lots of people who have "bothered". Thus any answer to the question as stated is pointless.

      There are lots of answers to related, but different questions: "Why do you think no one has been able to do anything about illegal immigration for 30 years?" or "Why has it been so difficult to address the problem of illegal immigration?" or "Why has action 'A' not fixed this issue 'B'?"

      Answers to these types of questions are at least in priciple possible - I doubt any of them hing on people actually planning that "rape babies" will become future voters. Generally, the answers hinge on the difficulty in getting enough people to decided on the best solution to a difficult problem in a real world where competing priorities have vastly different importances for different people across a diverse population.

      [Glad I re-read my posting before submitting - at first I had "answers to elated questions..." which is kind of funny. Hopefull all the other typos I missed are equally amusing.]

    29. Re:"Reality"? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      The "rape babies" part was facetious. But yes, the democrats don't want to do anything about immigration legal or otherwise because ~70% of immigrants vote Democrat. It's cultural...both major Mexican parties are socialist. The Republicans don't do anything about it because their donors like the cheap labor.

      Ask a democrat how excited they are that demographic changes will eventually give them a permanent majority. They're thrilled. Fuck whitey. They did it on purpose...see the Immigration Act of 1965. Tell a non-Trump Republican we should deport the illegals and they'll ask "but who'll pick the tomatoes?" It doesn't take a conspiracy when it's already in the interests of all the political ideologues and the owner class.

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    30. Re:"Reality"? by j-beda · · Score: 1

      It doesn't take a conspiracy when it's already in the interests of all the political ideologues and the owner class.

      That I can agree with. I probably think that the effect is more subtle than you do - ecconomic and other factors coloring the perception of the people enough so that they interpret the issues in a way different from myself rather than the clear "need those workers" narrative. I do wonder what preconceptions color my own views.

      I wonder if it would be useful to personally approach these types of issues by first trying to write down some if-then types of statements (If illegal immigration is more than x by this measure y than it is worth value $z to address), and then look at the data and see what my opinion on actions should be.

    31. Re:"Reality"? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you weight human and economic costs. There's also the issue of the uncontrolled border being a conduit for drugs, guns, and sex trafficking. So here are the problems with illegal immigration across the Mexican border (there's also illegal immigration from overstayed visas, but that doesn't have anything to do with guns and drugs):

      1. Illegal immigrants are exploited by US businesses for cheap labor. They are denied the protections of our labor laws, and the threat of deportation keeps them compliant. It's slavery with extra steps.

      2. Some illegal immigrants commit crimes against American citizens. If the government were doing its job and enforcing the border, this wouldn't happen, and people like Jamiel Shaw's son would still be alive. This mostly effects poor and minority citizens who cannot afford to move out of the cheap neighborhoods when the illegals move in. And the Mexican gangs are essentially ethnically cleansing black neighborhoods. These days Compton is 60% latino. There's other political groups that want this ignored, like La Raza and the Aztlan Reconquista.

      3. 80% of Central American women and girls are raped during their illegal border crossing. If the border were controlled they would either stay home and not be raped, or would be entering legally with a work visa and be protected by border patrol officials and not raped.

      4. The black market in the US for drugs (and Mexico for guns) enriches monsters like the Zetas. These people are the closet thing to devils on earth. They skin people alive and cut off their heads and hands. Stopping or slowing the flow of contraband across the border would starve them of the money they need to operate.

      5. The US is suffering from a heroin epidemic, and that heroin is coming from Mexico. Yes, it would be great to treat addiction as a medical problem, but that's an awful lot easier when you can't buy heroin for $10 on any street corner in New Hampshire.

      6. The cost to the taxpayer of services for illegal immigrants is over $110 billion each year, which makes a wall and border enforcement a much cheaper option.

      7. For some reason, immigrants don't seem to care much about limited constitutional government and individual liberty. They often times come from authoritarian cultures and vote for whoever promises to give them the most stuff. This makes severe demographic shift an existential problem for the Republic. Mass immigration is a war against the middle class by the plutocrats using the poor immigrants as pawns. If eventually everyone is voting on racial lines instead of ideological lines then our future is Brazil. Corrupt banana republic.

      But hey, we get cheap tomatoes, and nobody calls you racist, so all the blood, exploitation, rape, and death of liberty is worth it, right?

      --
      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    32. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe apologize to the billions of people who have already been sharing this meme all over the internet as though it were funny and/or clever for the last few months.

    33. Re:"Reality"? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      That really depends on what you consider a successful job as POTUS to be. By some people's metrics, she is not competent to be POTUS.

      --
      Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
  15. Who cares? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And why has /. gotten into the business of tracking who is endorsing whom?

    1. Re:Who cares? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I am proud to announce that I am endorsing Becky With The Good Hair for president!

  16. Cynicism by bluegutang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scott Adams is a compulsive cynic, who seems incapable of having a sincere, non-sarcastic thought. This cynicism is what makes his comics so entertaining, but it makes him badly equipped to comment thoughtfully on the real world.

    1. Re:Cynicism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been reading him intermittently for a long time, and I think you have nailed it perfectly.

    2. Re:Cynicism by geek · · Score: 0

      Scott Adams is a compulsive cynic, who seems incapable of having a sincere, non-sarcastic thought. This cynicism is what makes his comics so entertaining, but it makes him badly equipped to comment thoughtfully on the real world.

      It makes him extremely well equipped to comment on the real world. Or perhaps we should all have sticks up our fucking asses like you do?

    3. Re:Cynicism by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      it makes him badly equipped to comment thoughtfully on the real world

      This is the same "real world" that presents us two completely deplorable choices for President.

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    4. Re:Cynicism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cynicism can make it difficult to recognize when you see a good thing, but it makes you particularly attuned to when you see bad things.

      Using someone's cynicism as an excuse to ignore their critiques simply means you wear rose-colored glasses, rather than their jade-colored.

    5. Re:Cynicism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scott Adams is a compulsive cynic, who seems incapable of having a sincere, non-sarcastic thought. This cynicism is what makes his comics so entertaining, but it makes him badly equipped to comment thoughtfully on the real world.

      Extreme cynicism is the only rational response to the current U.S. political environment.

    6. Re:Cynicism by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      Depends what you mean by "comment".

      It takes very little brains to be a critic as insightful as Adams. His talent is that he can make his pedestrian insights funny, which is indeed entertaining and laudable in context, but of negligible positive value beyond the sphere of entertainment.

      What is really valuable in the real world is a person who can point to a direction where a useful enough solution may lie, and express reasons for going that way in understandable language, even if that solution will inevitably be imperfect and open to criticism. Adams is too cynical to even make an attempt.

      tl;dr -- whining like Adams is easy; making an effort to solve a hard problem is hard; Adams never really tries.

  17. Oh, Good! by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2

    I'll make note of that. But I'm really waiting to hear from the guy who draws "Garfield." I usually don't make any kind of meaningful decision until I know what he thinks about it.

    1. Re:Oh, Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me, I can't wait to be OUTRAGED by whatever it is he has to say.

    2. Re:Oh, Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nermal 2016!

    3. Re:Oh, Good! by Bodhammer · · Score: 1

      Thbbbt!

      --
      "I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
  18. I'm bored of Scott Addams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So far he has endorsed every candidate but Jill Stein and the act really isn't edgy or informative, I'm not sure what message he's trying to get out there but it's gotten dull.

    So in the next couple of weeks he will endorse Jill Stein.

  19. Now we know who pointy-haired boss is based on by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Turns out it was a self caricature.

    1. Re:Now we know who pointy-haired boss is based on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think you're being clever, but not only is Scott Adams aware of it, he brags about it.

  20. A vote for Hillary validates DNC tactics by drnb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He doesn't seem to be able to make up his mind.

    Why would one make up their mind during the silly season of the primaries where both major candidates lie to their extreme base to get the nomination?

    Why would one make up their mind prior to the debates where the candidates are not in scripted choreographed settings for the first time?

    You sound like someone who is loyal to political party, meaning you not Adams are part of the problem if that is the case. People who are loyal to a party are irrelevant, their party can ignore them since they already have their vote, the other party can ignore them since they can not obtain their vote. Party loyalty enable crap candidates like Clinton and Trump.

    Secondarily a for vote Hillary validates all the BS the DNC pulled on Bernie. The DNC and Hillary don't care if the revelations of their actions embarrass them, they only care if they win. If Hillary wins everything she and the DNC did to Bernie and his supporters become validated, successful, a good tactic. They are counting on Bernie supporters to be good little Democrats, to bitch and moan and then vote for the Democratic party. The ends justify the means to Hillary, her former DNC chair VP, the recently "fired" DNC chair working for the campaign and on a path to a White House position, etc.

    Just because Bernie sold out to protect his Senate seat doesn't mean the revolution has to die. Vote for anyone other than Hillary or you are green lighting a repeat of her tactics.

    1. Re:A vote for Hillary validates DNC tactics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Secondarily a for vote Hillary validates all the BS the DNC pulled on Bernie."

      Whatever 'BS' the DNC pulled on Bernie does not in any way eliminate the fact that Hillary did (massively) better in the popular vote. Without the superdelegates, in a tie they'd have picked her anyway, because she had a broader base of support.

      Bernie got basically all the way when in _any_ other year -- any other DNC contest -- he'd have dropped out way earlier.

  21. Don't forget by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 3, Informative

    Adams endorsed Clinoton because he didn't want to get beat up by her supporters.

    It is interesting how many posters including the submittor and EditorDavid don't have a clue.

    1. Re:Don't forget by Bookworm09 · · Score: 1

      Adams endorsed Clinoton because he didn't want to get beat up by her supporters.

      It is interesting how many posters including the submittor and EditorDavid don't have a clue.

      So he claims. And it may very well be true; I don't know. But here's the problem. If you read his blog you will see he has said numerous times that "the truth doesn't matter", in the context of declaring Trump a "persuasion genius". The fact that Trump lies so much that he manages to make Hillary Clinton look honest by comparison (which is no mean feat) doesn't seem to bother Adams in the slightest. The inescapable conclusion is that Adams will blatantly and gleefully lie his ass off to get what he wants. Just like he admires Trump for doing. Genius "master persuaders" like Trump clearly don't need to be constrained by trifling details like facts. And if you disagree with him, he will dismiss you as just not being a genius like he is.

  22. This is why we have secret ballot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why we have secret ballot.
    So no one knows who you voted for even if you tell them there is no way to verify that's really the way you voted.

    Why vote for another lizard when you can vote for a cat?
    Limberbutt 2016

  23. Right-Wing Humor by dcollins · · Score: 1

    "An unfunny man's idea of what a funny person sounds like"

    --
    We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
  24. Honesty and integrity most important traits by drnb · · Score: 1

    His endorsement seems to be mainly based on that there is no one else left. He should have endorsed Jill_Stein, at least she might know someone that is not from her state ...

    You can learn the names of other people pretty quickly, as needed. Honesty and integrity are pretty much set by the time one reaches a Presidential age. Some consider the later more important. The President is not a source of facts, he/she is a consumer of facts from the roomful of expert advisors surround him/her.

    1. Re:Honesty and integrity most important traits by virtig01 · · Score: 1

      This. For all the hoots and hollers after "what is Aleppo?", it shows that the guy is honest. I prefer a president that admits what he doesn't know, instead of trying to dodge it. Or invoking Douglas MacArthur.

  25. Scott Adams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scott... the man who uses sock puppets to brag about how he has a "certified genius IQ".
    Scott... the man who argues that facts don't matter
    Scott... who lies whenever it suits his purposes.

    Scott is an embarrassing twat of a human being. He brags about being a mater persuader yet was passed over for promotions and more recently dumped by his wife.

    When he started getting called out for his hypocrisy on his blog, he shut down comments citing "racism". But the fact is that he was getting called out left and right for his stupidity and just couldn't take it so shut down dissent.

    He is a failure of a human being who happened to get lucky with a cartoon.

    1. Re:Scott Adams by SolemnLord · · Score: 1

      Scott... the man who uses sock puppets to brag about how he has a "certified genius IQ".

      It's irrelevant to the greater discussion but worth pointing out that all of his sock puppets get found out, on average, immediately after their very first post.

    2. Re:Scott Adams by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Eh, he's right about facts not mattering. People aren't rational. We make emotional decisions and then rationalize them.

      And as for his comments section that was a good move. I used to read it and there was good discussion there but then it started getting brigaded by stormfront. Straight-up Hitler-loving white power shit. Closing that down was a good idea.

      --
      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    3. Re:Scott Adams by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      What does that make you?

    4. Re:Scott Adams by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      It would make him a better person if he hypnotized his wife to keep having sex with him?

    5. Re:Scott Adams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Original AC here: It makes me an intelligent successful person but with only a low seven figure net worth, not eight like Scott Adams. Financially he has made more than me, but I have more than enough to keep me happy.

      I am also happily married and don't troll the internet to get my rocks off. Scott is just a sad sack plain and simple.

    6. Re:Scott Adams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but when a man brags about being able to manipulate the opinion of millions of people but cannot keep the person closest to him from being disillusioned, it paints an interesting picture.

    7. Re:Scott Adams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh! By sock puppets you mean fake commenters. HA! When I read the parent post I thought he did some douchy Vaudeville act with sock puppets where he was claiming to be a certified genius. I was thinking of looking up the video... These days it would probably make it as a TED talk.

    8. Re:Scott Adams by quantaman · · Score: 1

      When he started getting called out for his hypocrisy on his blog, he shut down comments citing "racism". But the fact is that he was getting called out left and right for his stupidity and just couldn't take it so shut down dissent.

      When did this happen?

      During the primaries I tried leaving comments on his blog a few times just to see how Trump supporters dealt with some of the more obvious lies.

      Basically the moment you posted the mildest criticism of Trump you'd get a bunch of defenders spewing really racist stuff and proudly identifying as "white nationalists". These folks experienced absolutely no pushback from the other Trump supporters.

      I was really curious how Adams himself felt about his comment board, because it was a very nasty place.

      --
      I stole this Sig
  26. Ugh. by RonVNX · · Score: 0

    OK, no more Dilbert. Scott Adams is an idiot.

    1. Re:Ugh. by kwerle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I decided a long time ago not to pay too much attention to art creators' opinions on much of anything. Mostly this applies to music. Turns out a lot of metal band members are idiots and/or aholes. But I do like the music. When I go to a restaurant I don't ask who the chef is voting for. Same when I look at art (I don't really go for political art).
      Dilbert is funny as hell. The recent 'fire the bottom 10%' riff could have been taken from the company I work for. I'll continue enjoying the strip. But I won't start going to the blog for voting advice.

    2. Re:Ugh. by fnj · · Score: 1

      Adams is a quite witty comic strip creator, and that is about the end of his intellect. Anyone with such a vacuum between his ears as to need Adams' input to decide where he stands on issues that matter, or put any stock in that input, is a fool. But the majority of citizens are fools.

    3. Re:Ugh. by RonVNX · · Score: 1

      I find when I stop supporting artists who support things I find objectionable, that while they surely don't miss me, the feeling is mutual. I would definitely stop eating at restaurants that were supporting Trump. It tells me a lot about them and their judgment and how likely I am to either be cheated or food-poisoned.

    4. Re:Ugh. by _KiTA_ · · Score: 1

      OK, no more Dilbert. Scott Adams is an idiot.

      He's an "idiot" that has called every single thing Trump was going to do this election. Every single one. Months, and in some cases a year before anyone else.

    5. Re:Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but your post tells me a lot about YOUR judgment.

    6. Re:Ugh. by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Oh god. Life becomes a constant battle. I used to try to do this, and you find yourself analyzing everything . I eventually decided, like Kwerle, that it didn't matter. If the chef at a local restaurant is a rabid Stalinist, I don't really care as long as it doesn't influence the food quality or taste. Sometimes you just don't bring up differences that don't matter to the subject at hand.

      Obviously there's a limit to this. If he posts a "no blacks allowed" sign in the window, then I'm not going in either

  27. Hill shills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hill shills everywhere.

  28. sucumb to the political side, slashdot has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Originally, there was almost no politics. There was politics on tech issues. Then there was the hacking of Hillary's email. Now, this is a tech cartoonist changing his political stance... I take it back, this is just as political us Lucky Palmer being uncovered as supporting Trump memes. I don't want to see stories this political on slashdot, but there is no good enough alternative.

    1. Re:sucumb to the political side, slashdot has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Politics is stuff that matters. Actually it is the stuff that matters most.

  29. Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Removing Hilary votes while Trump is the Rep nominee is asking for self-destruction. Funneling off votes from the front-runner can only help Trump. I understand everyone is frustrated but this spiteful attitude is only going to hurt ourselves.

  30. Adams too thick by epine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe you should learn what satire is jackass

    Satire—once the cynicism becomes too thick—is nothing more than a devious way of getting the reader to work four times as hard as normal, to ultimately decode the underlying message "look at meeeeee!"

  31. No, she's not fine by wonkavader · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really, she's not. And it's not because of all the trumped up crimes/lies/etc. They really don't matter.

    She's not fine because she's a warmonger and in the pocket of the financial industry. So in four, or ugh, EIGHT years we will emerge deeper in debt, more hated, and less financially secure. The 1% will make out like bandits under her and the economy will flounder even more, since no one but the ultra-rich have the money to spend on anything to keep the economy working. (She's the only major candidate, for example, who supports H-1Bs.)

    There are three kinds of states: Ones where Hillary will stomp Trump, ones which will vote him in just because he has an R next to his name no matter what, and ones where there's actually some sort of contest. If you're in either of the first two types of states, you need to vote for Johnson because your vote doesn't count unless you do, and it counts big time if you do.

    If you're a Republican, you need to send a message to your party that letting this kind of crap happen is unacceptable. You WILL leave if they pitch for racism and stupidity.

    If you're a Democrat, you need a to send a message to your party that you don't want a another Nixon-Republican pretending to be a Democrat. We've had one for eight years already. If they don't give you someone worth voting for, you WILL leave. (They currently think all the Bernie people will vote Clinton. Show them otherwise.)

    You might think you could do the same by voting Green or writing-in a candidate, but that won't get reported because the numbers will be too small. A 10% showing for Johnson will get him on the cover of just about all the remaining print media and scare the CRAP out of both the big parties.

    So there are a handful of states where it makes sense to vote for the Rep. or the Dem. But for all the other states, everyone who reads/thinks should vote for Johnson.

    It doesn't matter how bad Johnson is. I don't want him as president, but that doesn't matter. He is fit for purpose: to scare the parties into worrying about the electorate, which is something they generally don't give a damn about. If you want an acceptable Republican or Democrat candidate in the next election, you need to vote for Johnson.

    1. Re:No, she's not fine by danbert8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mod up. If you believe Gary Johnson has no shot, even better to vote for him knowing you won't have to live with him as president. But it will sure send a message to the Republican and Democratic leadership that their shit has gotten to stinky for you to continue to support. Send a message to the major parties that they don't own your vote by default.

      --
      Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
    2. Re:No, she's not fine by number6x · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't throw your vote away by voting for a Democrat or a Republican. They will simply ignore the voters and do whatever it is the sources of their largest campaign donors ask. Voting for a Democrat or a Republican is a wasted vote.

      Vote for third party candidates, or write in the name of a qualified person, or even a personal friend when a third party candidate is not running for a given office.

    3. Re:No, she's not fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter how bad Johnson is. I don't want him as president, but that doesn't matter. He is fit for purpose: to scare the parties into worrying about the electorate, which is something they generally don't give a damn about.

      That is really why I'm voting for him. I don't expect to change my state's firm voting history, but maybe we can play the long game and influence a better pool the next time around. And even if this is the timeline where Johnson somehow wins the election, I'd be so amazed/stupefied at the change in the system that I'd happily suffer the surprise undesirable president in favor of one of the other expected ones.

    4. Re:No, she's not fine by Hulfs · · Score: 1

      Remember back in '92 when Perot got 19% of the popular vote and everything changed?

      Yeah, me neither...because nothing changed about the party system then and it won't now either.

      I won't be voting for either major party candidate (or Gary Johnson) simply because I refuse to lend voting support to any of them - vote your conscience. If you actually agree with Gary Johnson, then vote for him. If you actually support Hillary, vote for her.

    5. Re:No, she's not fine by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      I would point out that only in select states are write in votes counted. Check your local laws.

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      Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
    6. Re:No, she's not fine by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      I do actually agree with Gary. I also was pretty young back in '92, but I do seem to recall that Bill got elected and worked across the aisle and actually managed to balance a budget, which probably wouldn't have even been discussed in DC had it not been for Perot...

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      Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
    7. Re:No, she's not fine by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      No you send a message to the Republican party if you are liberal that someone like Trump is ok for future nominations. If you lean conservative you send a message that ethics do not matter for future candidates.

      Yes Hillary has problems. But compared TO TRUMP??! There is no contest.

      The liberals did the same thing in 1968 and opposed LBJ and split the democratic party as too far to the right. Guess what? We got NIXON who was far worse.

      You want to send a message? Then vote in the primaries. It is too late now as all you do is help someone who is more opposed to your views. Hillary is hte only competent person even if she is corrupt. If you did not vote for Sanders if you are a Democrat you have yourself to blame.

    8. Re:No, she's not fine by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

      Mod up. If you believe Gary Johnson has no shot, even better to vote for him knowing you won't have to live with him as president. But it will sure send a message to the Republican and Democratic leadership that their shit has gotten to stinky for you to continue to support. Send a message to the major parties that they don't own your vote by default.

      Great so we have Trump as president. No Thank You. Hillary is not close to perfect but man is not even in the same class as Trump.

      Sending a message by letting conservatives know it is ok for a racist candidate or it is ok for a corrupt law breaking candidates to the democrats will just further encourage behavior.

      Vote in the primaries where this belongs. It is too late now. If you libertarians voted for Rand Paul you would need a libertarian party. Same with Green Party if you all would have voted for Sanders

    9. Re:No, she's not fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you send a message to the Republican party if you are liberal that someone like Trump is ok for future nominations. If you lean conservative you send a message that ethics do not matter for future candidates.

      Yes Hillary has problems. But compared TO TRUMP??! There is no contest.

      There is. The first paragraph of the parent's post was accurate and is not what I want. Why on earth would I vote for this:

      She's not fine because she's a warmonger and in the pocket of the financial industry. So in four, or ugh, EIGHT years we will emerge deeper in debt, more hated, and less financially secure. The 1% will make out like bandits under her and the economy will flounder even more, since no one but the ultra-rich have the money to spend on anything to keep the economy working. (She's the only major candidate, for example, who supports H-1Bs.)

      The liberals did the same thing in 1968 and opposed LBJ and split the democratic party as too far to the right. Guess what? We got NIXON who was far worse.

      How was Nixon far worse than the warmonger LBJ? By modern political standards, Nixon's policies were extremely liberal.

    10. Re:No, she's not fine by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      No you send a message to the Republican party if you are liberal that someone like Trump is ok for future nominations. If you lean conservative you send a message that ethics do not matter for future candidates.

      Yes Hillary has problems. But compared TO TRUMP??! There is no contest.

      There is. The first paragraph of the parent's post was accurate and is not what I want. Why on earth would I vote for this:

      She's not fine because she's a warmonger and in the pocket of the financial industry. So in four, or ugh, EIGHT years we will emerge deeper in debt, more hated, and less financially secure. The 1% will make out like bandits under her and the economy will flounder even more, since no one but the ultra-rich have the money to spend on anything to keep the economy working. (She's the only major candidate, for example, who supports H-1Bs.)

      The liberals did the same thing in 1968 and opposed LBJ and split the democratic party as too far to the right. Guess what? We got NIXON who was far worse.

      How was Nixon far worse than the warmonger LBJ? By modern political standards, Nixon's policies were extremely liberal.

      Google Massacre at Penn State? Nixon would fund whole teams of union thugs and police to shoot and beat down protesters. Right wing Chuck Holsen did a lot of dirty work.

      Nixon's reversal of civil rights? Nixon expanded the war into Cambodia and got Pol Potts to kills millions and actually spread communism! Yes he was worse than LBJ

    11. Re:No, she's not fine by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Ethics? Are you joking? Clinton has her own little foundation and cabal of Middle East strongmen feeding her coffers. Cheney at least made the appearance of fully divesting himself from his business interests.

      The main complaints about Trump with any substance are things where the incoming First Lady makes Trump look like an amateur.

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    12. Re:No, she's not fine by baerd · · Score: 1

      Be careful what you ask for, this is Brexit style voting which can go awry. Although I actually don't think Johnson would be as bad as either of the main candidates, so it would be fine if he won and actually more of a middle finger to the established parties awful choices. Just be aware what happens when you vote for someone or something you don't think can win to make a point: sometimes they do win.

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      I wish I had a lawn.
    13. Re:No, she's not fine by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      How in the heck did you get that from what was written?

      The point was, explicitly stated, that if you're not in a battleground state, vote for someone else.

      If you're in a battleground state, you MAY have a harder decision.

      But if you're in Illinois like I am? It doesn't matter who you vote for, Hillary is going to win. Even if she's losing, Rahm will GOTZV (Get Out The Zombie Vote) in Chicago and she'll win. Guaranfuckingteed Illinois will go to Clinton.

      I'm voting for Johnson, and I would be even if I was in Florida or Ohio. Because I'm not eating any more shit sandwiches. My vote is mine, it isn't Donald's, and it isn't Hillary's and it isn't yours.

      Everyone always assumes that whoever they're talking to agrees with them. If you like Hillary, you assume I'd vote for her if I didn't vote for Johnson. If you like Trump, you assume I'd vote for him if I wasn't voting for Johnson.

      Screw that. I change my mind daily on which one I think is worse. Right now, just at the minute, I think the crazy pussy-grabber is worse than the lying influence-peddler. Might change my mind tomorrow after the next batch of emails get digested.

      Since I only get one vote, the only sane, honest, trustworthy, decent human being in the race is getting my vote, even though he honestly probably will not win, and I will sleep perfectly fine no matter whether Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich wins, because I voted for an actually good person who honestly wants to the best thing for the country.

      And who knows, maybe he will.

      In my traditionally strongly GOP county - many county races don't even have a Democrat - I've seen more Johnson yard signs than Trump yard signs. So who knows. Maybe he'll surprise us all. I sure hope so.

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    14. Re:No, she's not fine by number6x · · Score: 1

      Thank you. That is informative.

    15. Re:No, she's not fine by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Or write a candidate in.

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    16. Re:No, she's not fine by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      See reference here: https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Your local laws may make that an option that doesn't get counted:

      Currently, 43 States allow Write In Ballots for President of the United States. Most States require a candidate to register, however; Vermont, Wyoming, Oregon, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Iowa, Delaware, and Alabama do not require registration.

      If your write in is for a candidate that isn't registered, it gets thrown in the trash. Sorry Mickey Mouse, you're not winning this year.

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    17. Re:No, she's not fine by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      Remember back in '92 when Perot got 19% of the popular vote and everything changed?

      Indeed. He couldn't even repeat his success (despite having actually formed a party) in '96.

      Or when Wallace got a significant number of electoral votes in '68.

      In both cases, 1) lots of people were pissed, and 2) there was much talk of a viable third party. There was even some of that talk in 2000 (before the election - after it, all anyone could talk about was who had actually won) of that with the Greens, though in the end Nader & LaDuke only managed a bit less than 3m votes (an order of magnitude less than Perot in '92).

      The two-party system is not currently threatened by the little parties, and they know it. The little parties don't even have much of a role as spoilers; they tend to draw too little, and too evenly, to significantly affect the outcome. The Greens might have cost Gore the election in 2000, but that thesis is controversial, and if they did, it's a rare event indeed.

      So even if 20% of the popular vote did go to Gary "What's a leppo?" Johnson, it would have to be very disproportionately drawn from one side or the other to make the Big Two take notice. They have more to lose by offending their core donors and constituencies than by ignoring Libertarians.

  32. ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Clinton supporters have been telling me for a few days that any visible support for Trump makes you a supporter of sex abuse"

    lol - the name Clinton is a perfect synonym for "sex abuse"

  33. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 2

    So anything not pro-Clinton is anti-Clinton?

  34. Dice sold Slashdot in January by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot was sold in January to another company.

    I think it's been since that sale that it's gotten significantly worse. It's like the Fourth Reich around here now.

    1. Re:Dice sold Slashdot in January by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot was sold in January to another company.

      I think it's been since that sale that it's gotten significantly worse. It's like the Fourth Reich around here now.

      That's because the new owners fired all of the old staff, hired their friends, who have no real experience, and have no real idea what they're doing.

    2. Re:Dice sold Slashdot in January by Gordo_1 · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying I shouldn't trust "EditorDavid" then?

    3. Re:Dice sold Slashdot in January by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're saying I shouldn't trust "EditorDavid" then?

      Trust whoever you want. whipslash and BeauHD, have a paltry online presense, so I at least know that they exist (but I can't find any info on who they are or why I should trust them). I can't find anything about msmash/manishs or EditorDavid, so they might be bots for all I know

    4. Re:Dice sold Slashdot in January by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot was sold in January to another company.

      I think it's been since that sale that it's gotten significantly worse. It's like the Fourth Reich around here now.

      True. All the climate alarmist Hitlery is frightening.

  35. THIS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was sexually abused as a child by women. So was my brother (by a different woman).

    I'm not comfortable with the debate, or with a sophies choice for president.

    I shouldn't have to vote for your ugly mean ceo-entitlement candidate, because you're convinced the other candidate is uglier, meaner, and more entitled.

    "Slimed" is the perfect word to describe this whole affair.

  36. An endorsement only on face value. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I understand this, he is actually de-endorsing all of the candidates.

  37. Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Gary Johnson's qualifications don't matter because there is a 0.000000% chance he'll be elected. I'm marking his name on my ballot because that's how I can tell the Rs & Ds "nope, gotta do better next time if you want my vote". Suppose the Libertarians get 10% of the vote, which seems likely. Next election, the Rs and Ds, if they are smart, will want some of that 10%, so they'll look at the Libertarian platform and consider adopting some of the positions that make sense.

    Johnson absolutely will not be elected, but a vote for him sends a message to the major parties. Maybe in the future some Libertarian presidential candidate will actually be in the running, but not this time.

    1. Re:Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by j-beda · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Johnson absolutely will not be elected, but a vote for him sends a message to the major parties. Maybe in the future some Libertarian presidential candidate will actually be in the running, but not this time.

      Oh to have a ranked ballot system where we could choose whoever we wanted as 1st, and then go down the list (of more and more stinkyness) until we got to the D/R choices and could select them based on whatever small differences we may seem them to have.

      I can dream.

    2. Re:Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I almost think that's his goal. Imagine the outrage if he forces nobody to get 270 electoral votes. It goes to the *newly elected* representatives (so if y'all don't vote them out AND if they stay true to their party [not bloody likely], then you get Trump -- but they *can* pick *anyone* [who meets the qualifications for president and who hasn't already served the maximum time in office] -- even Joe The Plumber).

      Imagine the hue and cry for a IRV/STV/Ranking system that would result because of that! They will have proven that "fixing the primaries" [DNC] doesn't work.
      Fixing the debates doesn't work. Somebody /has/ to fix the spoiler issue!

    3. Re:Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so they'll look at the Libertarian platform and consider adopting some of the positions that make sense

      Yep, they'll slap it as a bullet point and never actually touch it.

      I don't understand the third party voter fixation during a Presidential election. It's the most unlikely to make a difference because it's the most widely voted-in election.

      If people want to get a third party elected, then it must start at the Congressional level, if not the state level. It will never start at the Presidential level, which is why Sanders ran as a Democrat, and it currently serves solely to steal votes from one party or another (Bush Sr. in 1992, Gore in 2000, and most likely Trump in 2016).

    4. Re:Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Johnson absolutely will not be elected, but a vote for him sends a message to the major parties. Maybe in the future some Libertarian presidential candidate will actually be in the running, but not this time.

      The odds of Johnson winning are close to zero, but think about this. Johnson could win New Mexico and get its 5 electoral votes - he's currently polling around 20 percent. Depending on how Clinton/Trump do in the rest of the states, they may not get the required 270 electoral votes required to clinch the presidency. The election then goes to the House. With everyone being sick of Clinton and Trump (especially by election day) the House picks Johnson and the Senate picks Pence for VP. Long odds for sure but this had been a very strange election season.

    5. Re:Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do more than dream: get off your ass and start petitioning your representatives in your state legislature to introduce legislation or a state constitutional amendment to change the way your state counts the votes for elector appointments.

    6. Re:Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      No, the House can't pick "anyone", they may only choose from the top 3 electoral college vote getters for President. From the 12th amendment, "The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President."

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    7. Re:Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1
      There's actually a non-zero chance of him winning a hell of a lot more than NM.

      Possibly AZ, UT, NV, CO, a couple other western states I'm forgetting. Maybe MN if the world goes a little crazy.

      Meanwhile Bill Weld is hanging out in the NE going at places like Vermont and Maine that have no great love for either Trump or Clinton.

      Is it likely for Johnson to win? No. Is he making the definition of "swing state" a lot more interesting this year? Oh yeah.

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    8. Re:Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Do more than dream: get off your ass and start petitioning your representatives in your state legislature to introduce legislation or a state constitutional amendment to change the way your state counts the votes for elector appointments.

      Yeah, I could do more.

      Here is an advocacy group for voting reform with info about ranked choice voting in the USA:

      http://www.fairvote.org/rcv_in...

    9. Re:Doesn't matter, he's "none of the above" by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      In theory, they could still vote Gary Johnson. If Hilary get 269, Trump gets 269, and Johnson gets 1, then he's #3 and eligible.

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  38. stupid idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It makes him extremely well equipped to comment on the real world. Or perhaps we should all have sticks up our fucking asses like you do?

    throwing a temper tantrum when presented with two unsavory choices is not a "well equipped decision"

    discarding decades of good reputation for a stupid publicity stunt is not a "well equipped decision"

    what an idiot you are

  39. Handy List of 3rd Party Candidates by Jack9 · · Score: 3, Informative
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  40. Mod down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Do not feed the trolls.

    When I have mod points, I mod down not merely an offensive post, but also all responses to that post.

    1. Re: Mod down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up you worthless fucking google.

  41. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dice sold Slashdot back in January. So figure out a different conspiracy theory, preferably one that is more imaginative.

    https://meta.slashdot.org/story/16/01/29/0247219/slashdot-and-sourceforge-sold-now-under-new-management

  42. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have been posting here since back when Slashdot was Rob Malda's blog. Then, the politics of the posters, where discernible, was decidedly extremely left wing. But there were not that many posts on politics. There were, however, a lot of posts on Buffy the Vampire Slayer...

    But there was also a lot of activity, period. Every day, numerous stories spawned 500, 600, 700 posts, easily. And these were stories about the latest tweaks on the linux kernel, the merits of one spreadsheet or another, the latest laptop specs, or -- of course -- Buffy.

    But now it's not Just Some Guy's Blog anymore, it's gotta make money for somebody. And that somebody who bought it got handed a bag of snakes, because operating a "community website" in this post-Facebook web world is a job for a buggy-whip manufacturer. So, yeah, the editors obviously got a mandate to do whatever they can to drive traffic/eyeballs/impressions or whatever web marketers are driving these these days, And Politics stories -- especially in this End Of Days Election Season we are going through -- do that.

    As far as an answer to the question, "Where have all the Slashdot Lefties from the 90's gone?" I suppose the answer is either [a] they're still here but they've all grown up and become Righties, [b] fled to their online safespaces and echo chambers because engaging in a level exchange of ideas is anathema to them, or [c] a little of both.

  43. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Versus what? Trump? Trump doesn't pay employees, and has a short fuse, and you can be certain that whatever damage Hillary can cause, will just be more of the same like Obama. The howling right-wing poop flinging monkeys will not be appeased by anyone that doesn't want to destroy the establishment.

    Libertarians subscribe to an ideology that you get out of life exactly what you put into it. So entitled man-babies who thing they're going to get anything are going to be sorely disappointed when everything gets cut. Space program, cut. Military, cut. Trade treaties, cut. Everything will get insanely more expensive, not cheaper.

    Libertarian ideology is basically you are either super-rich, or super-poor, and if you're super-poor you should be selling your organs and blood to afford food. It sounds insane, is insane, and voting for the third party will just split the vote. If you hate Trump, and can't tolerate the idea of a Woman president, please throw your vote away or don't vote at all. If you hate trump, but can tolerate the idea of a Woman president, then hold your nose and vote for Hillary. If you throw your vote away on a third party, you will be splitting the vote.

    And had Bernie run as an independant, Hillary would lose due to vote splitting. Had Trump not been running as a Republican, you could be sure he would go independant, and that is why he got the GOP nomination, because otherwise he would split the GOP vote for certain. A three party ticket is a guaranteed lose for the less popular of the Dem/GOP, and the GOP has been swirling the toilet ever since the Tea Party hijacked it.

    If the Republicans ever hope to get a President or majority congress/senate again, they will need to back away from the howling liberatarian anti-tax, states-rights, racist, sexist, religious zealots nutcases out of the party. But unfortunately that is one of the pillars of the Republician ideology, is to oppose and reverse progressive human rights and social safety nets.

  44. As for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm voting for Ratbert!

    1. Re:As for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm voting for Ratbert!

      Wally is the safest bet. He never does anything except avoid doing anything so it would be like no government. Utopia for the libertarians!

    2. Re:As for me... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree. An immobilized government is not going to take away and additional freedoms, which is the best we can hope for.

      WALLY 2016!

    3. Re:As for me... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I'm fine w/ Dogbert.

    4. Re: As for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why I endorse Trump. He's such a fucking lunatic that he'll paralyze Congress and the Executive so we can be confident that a Trump presidency will achieve nothing except to lobby for a wall that will never be built.

    5. Re:As for me... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Come on scro, don't be a pussy. Vote Camacho.

    6. Re: As for me... by KeensMustard · · Score: 1
      Of course he is also planning to launch a nuclear strike at Aleppo.

      Might be other places he's contemplating as well. Too late for condemnation from from congress once those devices go critical.

    7. Re: As for me... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Good! Nuke them until they glow, then shoot them in the dark!

    8. Re: As for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Electing Trump is like giving a 13 year old with anger management issues, a massive inferiority complex, and a notorious temper the keys to the liquor cabinet, the gun rack, and the Porsche, oh and also a briefcase with nuclear launch codes. Only a moron would do this. Trump is more full of SHIT than Bill and Hillary COMBINED, and they are full of shit, folks.

      Is she a crook? Yes. Is she potentially dangerous in a lot of ways? Yes. Is her misjudgment and carelessness the cause of a large number of corpses, including not a few Americans? Sure.

      And she's STILL head and shoulders above Trump. He is woefully uninformed, egotistical, a failure at everything he's ever done except con people into buying into his particular brand of bullshit, he's a bigot, a blind fool, is easy as fuck to bait, and he takes it, like every time!

      This is what they mean when they say he's unfit. He's obviously and manifestly unfit, and just like how, the day after the U.K. voted to leave the EU, then the fucking stupid assholes went to the internet, to learn what the UN WAS, because they didn't know what it actually was they had just voted to LEAVE.

      Morons. Yeah. That's negligence on an international scale.

    9. Re: As for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops * to learn what the EU was. (Autocorrect on this phone is super sensitive. Usually I catch those but I'm tired.)

    10. Re: As for me... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Sorry dude. I wasn't serious about nuking them, I just have a warped sense of humor. I hate to see the innocent suffer too.

    11. Re: As for me... by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      So let me get this straight: You are comfortable with tens of thousands of kids, and hundreds of thousands of non-combatant adults being burnt to death in a nuclear conflagration for no reason?

  45. and quick to engage in personal attack by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 2

    Coming from someone hiding behind Anonymous Coward, your action speaks louder than your words.
    What I said about Adams is simple observation; he started out endorsing Clinton "for personal safety reason", followed by Trump and then now Johnson.
    Each time he wrap his endorsement in humorous reasoning (good read, by the way) but ultimately my reading of his endorsement explanation isn't intended to be taken as an endorsement. I do question if you've read through his blog entries.

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    1. Re:and quick to engage in personal attack by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      His endorsement is still for "personal safety reasons" and that's sad. It's far more troubling than anything that Trump has said or that has been said about Trump. It's the true death of liberty. It's like living in a fascist or communist state.

      People tend to project and they see Trump as Hitler.

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    2. Re: and quick to engage in personal attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't actually anything like living in a fascist or communist state.

    3. Re: and quick to engage in personal attack by easyTree · · Score: 1

      It's like living in a fascist or communist state.

      Like?

    4. Re:and quick to engage in personal attack by tbannist · · Score: 1

      His endorsement is still for "personal safety reasons" and that's sad. It's far more troubling than anything that Trump has said or that has been said about Trump. It's the true death of liberty. It's like living in a fascist or communist state.

      It's not for "personal safety reasons" it's for "financial safety reasons" and it's exactly like living in a thriving free market state, because that's where he lives. Your claims to contrary seem to indicate a considerable level of delusion. You may want to talk to someone about that.

      People tend to project and they see Trump as Hitler.

      Trump's not Hitler, though he has advocated murdering the families of suspected terrorists, torturing suspected terrorists because "they deserve it anyways", and deporting 3.3 million Americans because they don't worship the correct religion. Since he wouldn't be able to deport that many people, he'd probably want to have them sent to special camps where they work to pay for the expense of the camps they have been exiled to, and it's anyone's guess what "final solution" President Trump would come up with for his unwanted guests. So, I'm saying that while Trump isn't Hitler, but he does kind of want to be like Hitler, just without the "bad press". It should also be noted that during this election campaign Trump has publicly praised Putin, Saddam Hussein, and Kim Jong Un for their power, ruthlessness and for killing their enemies in cold blood. Trumps respects the ability to off people who don't agree with you or would stand in the way of his unfettered abuse of power. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

      Having said that, we can be reasonably confident that no one else would let Trump do what he says he wants to do, but still what Trump has said he wants to do is actually pretty horrifying before we even start to consider that's he an old lecher who cheats on his wives, grabs women he doesn't know, and abused his position with beauty pageants so he could creep around backstage and watch the contestants while they were changing. And then there's the criminal investigations into his business dealings, the bribery of public officials, the fact that his Trump Foundation charity has actually spent money on Donald Trump himself (for example buying portraits of Trump to hang in Trump Hotels), and the probability that he's a serial tax evader and/or a compulsive liar about his net worth.

      But that's all optics, right? Supporting him doesn't really mean you're supporting a foolish, ignorant, cheating, lying, scoundrel who routinely abuses his power to get whatever he wants, right?

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    5. Re:and quick to engage in personal attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it "Lead Butthead" is your true and legal name, right? Right?

    6. Re:and quick to engage in personal attack by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      Have you listened to Trump?

      He has the potential to be the next Hitler.

  46. you are bad at reading satire. by pezpunk · · Score: 1

    he is making a disingenuous argument to Clinton supporters to try to use their own logic (which he mistakenly finds specious) get THEM to vote Johnson.

    rest assured this dipshit is still voting for Trump.

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    1. Re:you are bad at reading satire. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, he doesn't vote, he said that multiple times on his blog. It wouldn't matter anyway, he lives in California.

      His views are actually quite interesting. He obviously supports Trump, but he makes good points as to why people support Trump, and how Trump's persuasion methods works. Even if you hate Trump and think his supporters are idiots, it never hurts to understand them.

      By the way, I'd never vote for Trump. And I'd feel bad voting for Clinton. But luckily, I don't live in the US.

  47. Is this just fantasy? by honestmonkey · · Score: 1

    Caught in a landslide...

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    1. Re:Is this just fantasy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy come, easy go...
      Any way the wind blows,
      Doesn't really matter
      To me

  48. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am still here.

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  49. i like it when people agree with me by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

    If I were the king of the world, I would use my infinite power to have every artist sign the following document at the beginning of their careers:

    "Politics and religion can be good subjects for art, but only if the artist abstains from picking sides, or at least effectively conceals their choice. Otherwise, it all just turns into a big giant circle-jerk."

  50. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by jcr · · Score: 2, Informative

    an inexplicable hate on for Ms. Clinton

    Inexplicable? Only if you haven't paid any attention to her crimes...

    -jcr

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  51. The misused apostrophe ruins his argument by Philosa · · Score: 1

    > I don’t know if any of the allegations against the Clinton’s are true,

    Against the Clinton's what, may I ask...

  52. WOW... I had no idea by gosand · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really had no idea about any of this.
    And yet, it still doesn't change the fact that I care zero about what he thinks about the presidential race.
    I don't care if he supports a re-animated Hitler for president. He makes a cartoon that I used to read and find very enjoyable. That is pretty much the end of Scott Adams' influence on my life.

    The opinions of celebrities or well-known people carry no more weight to me than if it were an average person on the street. It is unfortunate that this has turned into people's opinions of the candidates instead of talking about their positions on issues. What really makes me sad is that whoever is elected, a large portion of the country will really hate them. I just don't understand it.

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    1. Re:WOW... I had no idea by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      The opinions of celebrities or well-known people carry no more weight to me than if it were an average person on the street. It is unfortunate that this has turned into people's opinions of the candidates instead of talking about their positions on issues.

      While I agree with the general principle, there are obvious exceptions. For instance, the Surgeon General's views on smoking or a Nobel prize winner's views on their subject matter.

      And, just like a random blogger, Scott wrote thousands of pages about politics. Now, those were only noticed because he created Dilbert. But there is now enough history for people to decide if his views on politics are worth listening to.

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    2. Re:WOW... I had no idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he thinks about the presidential race.

      Trump's white, and so is Hillary. And so are all the third parties that I looked at. There's not much of a race-based choice there.

  53. With 10% of votes, representing 30 mil americans by postmortem · · Score: 2

    ..not good enough to be on the debate?
    10% is also 5 states
    In most of "free world", between 1% and 5% of votes will bring your party to the parliament.

  54. What a coward! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He changed his endorsement because of how other people might perceive him? Not even a politician but already a wimp. Good cartoonist, though.

  55. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Kenshin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or Slashdot just became trite and boring and I only check it out for a few minutes once every week or two.

    Times change, websites fade.

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  56. Correct That Record. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correct That Record.

  57. He's still voting for Trump by Sarusa · · Score: 1

    He's endorsed Hillary before too, but Trump is very much his kind of guy.

    Just always remember that he's a liar who thinks he's the smartest man on earth - and just in case you doubt it, he will create sockpuppets to argue with you.

  58. This is Why I Liked My Computer Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked my computer better before the internet.

    Sneaker-net was labor intensive, and complete crap this this post would not have been worth the time.

  59. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by pegr · · Score: 2

    You've been here a long time. If you haven't left by now, you're not going anywhere.

  60. Priceless by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    "To even consider putting the Clinton’s back in the White House is an insult to women and every survivor of abuse."

  61. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by butchersong · · Score: 1

    I really don't see Gary Johnson taking much support from Clinton. Any attention to him is more likely to draw votes from Trump which is probably the real motivation behind much of the media coverage of him.

  62. You Can't Fix Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Voting on "Principle" is going to guarantee we get Hillary Clinton as President, which is just about as polar opposite from Libertarian "principles" that one can get.

    The irony of it just kills me.

  63. This is why the polls might not be accurate by Beeftopia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Trump supporters are absolutely vilified online and in the main stream media ("deplorables"). Yet a sizable segment does support Trump. This might suggest the polls are not accurate because people don't want to be publicly state they support Trump, when in fact they actually do.

    The Brexit polling was an example. And this is just one factor. Another factor could be that with increased use of social media, people are getting their RDA of human interaction, and are less inclined to speak with anonymous callers on the telephone, thus skewing polls again.

    1. Re:This is why the polls might not be accurate by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      I won't even answer the phone if I don't recognize the Caller-ID, and a lot of people I know are doing the same thing, especially in this season of incessant flood of bogus political "push poll" calls. (One of the reasons I stopped picking up the phone for any caller I don't recognize. The other was gadzillions of "handyman" cold callers. Not to mention the "You owe the IRS $$$, send us a Moneygram" and "I am calling from Microsoft, your computer be having a virus" callers.) That may be skewing the polling numbers a bit. (So, in my case, there's either a vote for Johnson or a write-in for Cthulhu they're missing; i haven't decided yet.)

  64. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Easy we grew up!

    We have families now, hate newer technology like win 10, SystemD, and those who want to tax us more.

    Most of Trump supporters want low taxes or are religious and think they are following God by not voting for liberals ( in the south really)

  65. I'm A Bit Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump brags about things he'd like to do* and Hillary actually slut shames rape victims, yet supporting Trump makes you a supporter of sex abuse and Hillary supporters aren't? WTF? You really can't trust anything from the Hillary camp.

    *Saying you get away with more when you're rich and famous is a true statement. There should no be blow back over that. Anyone complaining about that statement is living in a fantasy world and I'd claim is unfit for a national leadership position since they're so far out of touch with reality.

  66. Dude! by Jawnn · · Score: 1
    "The essay concludes, "You might enjoy my book because you're not sure if I'm really endorsing Gary Johnson or just saying so to protect my brand."

    You had them going. They were totally buying it - you had just whooshed ...almost everybody. And then you go and let the cat out of the bag like that. Now, only half of them are going to believe you're serious.

    1. Re:Dude! by _KiTA_ · · Score: 1

      "The essay concludes, "You might enjoy my book because you're not sure if I'm really endorsing Gary Johnson or just saying so to protect my brand."

      You had them going. They were totally buying it - you had just whooshed ...almost everybody. And then you go and let the cat out of the bag like that. Now, only half of them are going to believe you're serious.

      Yes, woosh is the sound the point makes as it goes over your head. He follows up EVERY blog post with something similar. It's a running gag. Even his twitter feed has that as his bio.

  67. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  68. Thought Experiment by tsqr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This came to mind while observing the explosion of outrage over Trump's "Grab 'em by the pussy" video.

    1. Take all the people who were outraged by Bill Clinton's sexual pecadillos and thought they made him unfit for office; make them equally outraged about Trump.

    2. Take all the people who took the position that Bill's behavior was a matter of "personal character" having no relation to his ability to perform as President; make them adopt the same attitude towards Trump.

    Now, re-draw the electoral map. What do you get?

    1. Re:Thought Experiment by HBI · · Score: 2

      If it were as simple as that, a Trump landslide. Seriously - 400+ electorals.

      It isn't that simple, and there's only a month left.

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    2. Re:Thought Experiment by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      First of all, as Hillary already argued, if it were really just an isolated tape regarding private behavior, perhaps a reasonable person could overlook it. But it is very much one piece of an overt public pattern of tawdry behavior on Trump's part -- badmouthing, bullying, threatening, and a bizarre inability to keep control in the face of a minor embarrassment or taunting, especially against women or minorities.

      Second of all, Bill is not running for office, right now. So whether we should care about a politician badly behaved spouse is an entirely new topic.

    3. Re:Thought Experiment by tsqr · · Score: 1

      First of all, as Hillary already argued, if it were really just an isolated tape regarding private behavior, perhaps a reasonable person could overlook it. But it is very much one piece of an overt public pattern of tawdry behavior on Trump's part -- badmouthing, bullying, threatening, and a bizarre inability to keep control in the face of a minor embarrassment or taunting, especially against women or minorities.

      Second of all, Bill is not running for office, right now. So whether we should care about a politician badly behaved spouse is an entirely new topic.

      Wow, did you ever miss the point in your zeal to express your support for Hillary*. I didn't suggest that anyone should care NOW about Bill's behavior THEN, and I wasn't proposing that Trump's behavior should be overlooked. I was merely pointing out that people who found Bill's behavior, um, deplorable should also find Trump's behavior deplorable, and that people who were willing to overlook Bill's behavior should also be willing to overlook Trump's behavior.

      * I am not a Trump supporter. I am not a Hillary supporter. I think they are both terrible people who shouldn't even be allowed to look at a photograph of the White House, let alone occupy it. This does not mean I think they are the same, but I think the difference between the two of them is similar to the difference between being eaten by a lion and being slowly crushed under a rock pile.

    4. Re:Thought Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not least because his dodgy sexual behaviour (while potentially very serious and a topic yet to be fully explored) is not even the beginning of Trump's character flaws.

    5. Re:Thought Experiment by quantaman · · Score: 2

      This came to mind while observing the explosion of outrage over Trump's "Grab 'em by the pussy" video.

      1. Take all the people who were outraged by Bill Clinton's sexual pecadillos and thought they made him unfit for office; make them equally outraged about Trump.

      Bill Clinton isn't anymore and our understanding of consent has changed significantly since the 90s, if he did run again I expect that would be a much bigger issue.

      2. Take all the people who took the position that Bill's behavior was a matter of "personal character" having no relation to his ability to perform as President; make them adopt the same attitude towards Trump.

      Now, re-draw the electoral map. What do you get?

      There are really only two convincing misdeeds by Bill Clinton. First the affairs, which were bad but not that big a deal. Second was the alleged rape, but that was over 40 years ago and not proven.

      Trump's rape allegations are much more recent, and his sexual assault allegations much more numerous and recent.

      Moreover he's completely unrepentant about any of it and his misogynist comments have never really ceased.

      With Trump there was also the possibility that the public persona was just an act and he was actually a decent rational person in private, and this decent rational person would be the one in office. The tape offer additional evidence that the decent rational Trump is the facade, and a President Trump would be just as pretty, vindictive, and abusive as he seems.

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    6. Re:Thought Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting consensual blowjobs from a willing intern is rather different than being a serial sex offender and bragging about it, don't you think? Seriously, Trump is on trial for child molestation and the media don't even bother to mention it! If a Democratic candidate was a suspect in such a case, the Republicans and the mainstream media they control would fucking crucify that person, and there's no way the Democratic party would keep them as their candidate.

    7. Re:Thought Experiment by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      It is not zeal. It is that I understand your argument perfectly, and I happen to believe it makes insufficient sense, at least regarding the second half, regarding also overlooking Trump's behavior.

      IMO, I can imagine what leaving Bill's personal life out of the discussion could actually mean, whether I personally like, love, or hate the man. He followed a fairly common pattern of less than perfectly honest politicians trying to keep his private life private. There was a woman who changed her story long after the statute of limitations passed on the alleged sexual assault incident -- that stays in the past, and I did not make assumptions about anyone involved, positive or negative. Reasonable people can disagree there, but we can at least agree or disagree about where to draw the line based on some coherent discussion.

      But when it comes to Trump, what the heck is personal life and what is public, where to draw the line, is completely ambiguous. Is insulting a beauty queen and making a racist joke about her personal or professional? I could list a dozen examples in a similar vein. Badmouthing people, getting away with whatever he can get away with because he is "smart" and a "winner" is both the man and the message. Trump literally cannot answer a softball question about how to replace Obamacare without falling into an incoherent blather. All the man has is his big mouth and no plans and no policies. So which absurd badmouthing and bullying is it okay to talk about? Should I cut him slack on the bragging about sexual assaults? Why?

      Trump steps over lines of behavior as a purposeful gambit to play the media. If he wants to run a campaign where the usual moral goalposts are installed on a moving cart, then it is not possible for an honest man to give Trump's personal life the benefit of the doubt in the usual manner. Even if I wanted to try, I do not know how. He makes things personal as a strategic choice, and such is a natural consequence --- unfortunately for him, sometimes life is fair that way.

      When you were suggesting we could cut Trump slack in his personal life, do you actually have an idea where to draw the line? Do you have a clear idea why that would be the right place to draw the line? Based on what? Tradition? A manufactured sense of fairness that so happens to hide away and normalize bizarre behavior?

    8. Re:Thought Experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Far more credible evidence that Bill did a lot worse than braggadocious 'locker room talk'. Where is the line of women accusing Trump of sexual assault? The line of Bill accusers is in the front row. The same people who dismissed Trump's bragging about his wealth are selectively holding his private conversation as a full and truthful statement. Bill is NOT gone. Not by a long shot. And we have emails saying he is still... Dicking Bimbos? I believe Colon Powel said. Hillary changed her website on rape from 'you deserve to be believed' to silence... because she worked to attack the credible women Bill misused. Oh, and any federal employee in a management role that played hide the cigar in the vagina at work and got caught, lied about it, and DNA evidence nailed... Would be fired, at very least. It's an abuse of office, position, authority to use that trusts to get a girl that is nearly your daughters age to spread her legs... unless you are a Democrat.

    9. Re:Thought Experiment by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Third: Clinton was put through an impeachment process by the Republican party at the time. So why is the Republican party not doing the equivalent by turfing out Trump?

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  69. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Miguelito · · Score: 1

    I'd say we have a winner.

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  70. Even Scott Adams did not get Aleppo right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scott Adams misspelled Aleppo in his blog post. What an Idiot.

  71. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 0

    Since the sale to Dice, /. has continually gone down hill with an inexplicable hate on for Ms. Clinton.

    Inexplicable? Really? As a non-American unbiased observer, I'd like to inform you that there's plenty to hate about Mrs. Clinton. (She is still married, right?) There's also a whole bunch to hate about Mr. Trump as well, but the word "inexplicable" exposes the suggestion that you can't see grounds for disliking the Democratic candidate.

    In the past 24 hours, this is the third anti-Clinton story that has been featured here.

    To be fair, most of Clinton's wrongdoings - alleged or not - have been technology-related. Deleting work-related e-mail from a server that isn't supposed to have work-related e-mail on it... technology. Not being able to remember what classified materials look like... sort of technology-related. Telling banks and tech companies one thing while telling the public another? Technology-related.

    Keep that in mind; Trump's failings have been of a different nature. They're primarily related to social issues, not tech issues. So an imbalance in coverage - if there is one - actually makes sense.

    Time to get off the soapbox and focus on what this site is about - it's not about attacking a political candidate.

    Otherwise, I'll get my "News for nerds and stuff that matters" somewhere else.

    Come on. Scott Adams stories are appropriate here because bloody Dilbert, man. Just because he's speaking out against Clinton doesn't make his speaking out any less funny, or newsworthy than if it were any other topic he was taking a shot at.

    Oh, one last comment in closing. Could you Americans please not elect either of those horrendous leading candidates? Thank you.

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  72. Hidden agenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of Scott's posts seem like yet another veiled Trump endorsement....

  73. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by fatboy · · Score: 1

    Ditto

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  74. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

    While that seems like the conventional wisdom, it does not appear to be the case. Even the DNC is concerned about stealing votes away from Johnson.

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  75. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And sexist.

  76. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the past 24 hours, this is the third anti-Clinton story that has been featured here.

    Wait.. this story is considered anti-Clinton!? How?

    Since this story rather obviously isn't anti-Clinton, it makes me wonder if you might be talking out your ass about the other two, also. Are you just making this whole thing up?

  77. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since the sale to Dice, /. has continually improved with a rational hate on for Ms. Clinton.

    FTFY.

  78. You are lying. He said ex-pres. of Mexico by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are lying. He referred to the ex-president of Mexico.

    RE: Even if you can't remember the person's name you'd really like to say, come up with something else.

    That is what he did, except fucking Mathews talked right over him. Johnson did exactly what you say he should have at least done, then you lie and say he didn't to it.

    Part of the reason, of course, is that Mathews is hyper-ADD and cannot shut up for a fucking second so that Johnson can answer the question thoughtfully.

  79. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

    Tritto.

  80. Write In CowboyNeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only there were another option to write in votes for CowboyNeal. Based on proven past performance in Slashdot polls, CowboyNeal prevails whenever all the other choices are unpalatable.

    CowboyNeal 2016!

  81. Swing states vs non-swing states totally different by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > If people want to get a third party elected, then it must start at the Congressional level, if not the state level.

    That's true.

    > I don't understand the third party voter fixation during a Presidential election. It's the most unlikely to make a difference

    The calculus is completely different between swing states and non-swing states. If your state is a swing state this year, you vote hoping to influence the direct outcome of that election. That seems to be the case you have in mind. If your state is solidly red or blue, there's no chance you'll influence the direct outcome this time around. The best you can do is send a signal - in an election with a 2% difference between winning and losing, the major parties DO notice when 10%-15% is "lost" to third parties.

    > currently serves *solely* to steal votes from one party or another (Bush Sr. in 1992, Gore in 2000, and most likely Trump in 2016). [emphasis added]

    In swing states, yes. In non-swing states, there an no electoral votes in play, only popular votes, and those popular votes *solely* inform the parties as to what to do differently next time.

    Johnson looks to get 10%-15% this time around. If doing X will get either major party even 5% of the vote, without losing any significant amount, they HAVE to consider doing X. That's enough to swing the entire election.

  82. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    And besides, neither Johnson nor Weld is a Randian wackjob. All they want to do is incrementally increase the amount of freedom available to Americans and see how far this can be taken in practice. They alone promise to do rational things like end the abomination (Johnson's term) of civil forfeiture and introduce the concept of competition into healthcare.

    Republicans and Democrats see positions like these as a threat, and this is exactly why the Johnson ticket deserves our support.

  83. Clintons? Plural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I don't doubt Hillary will discuss policy with Bill--they're married--Bill is not on the ticket, right? And to equate Hillary's victimization with Bill's transgressions, criminal or otherwise, is the worst kind of misogyny. Regardless, your alternatives are Pussy Grabber and Blank Stare.

    1. Re:Clintons? Plural? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except...Hilary ran a "bimbo squad" of staff to run cover for him. THAT made it her transgression.

  84. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They aren't fake, sorry. She can probably avoid jail but her rep is permanently tarnished. She has to run under the "I got away with it, ha ha screw you" ticket now, and it seems to be working for her.

    Pity us for our future is bleak.

  85. For some definition of "true to their party" by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > if they stay true to their party [not bloody likely], then you get Trump

    Many representatives (most?) would probably saying that "staying true to the party" would mean picking someone who embodies what the GOP represents - not Trump. If they stayed true to the fucked up results of a failed primary process instituted by the party, yes that would be Trump. If they wanted to stay true to the ideas the party puts forward, they could very well coalesce behind the one guy who is respected by almost every Republican - Speaker Paul Ryan. That would be "true to the party" for some definition of the phrase (and a much, much better choice than Trump).

    1. Re:For some definition of "true to their party" by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1
      That's fine but they can't pick Paul Ryan as President. At most, if House and Senate both fail to decide, they can leave him by default as Acting President Ryan.

      The house has to pick from the top three people out of the electoral college. It's in the constitution.

      If Johnson got some electoral votes and played spoiler, then they're choosing from Clinton, Trump and Johnson. Period. Nobody else.

      Meanwhile, the Senate has to pick VP from the top two, which means that VP Weld isn't going to happen in that scenario, and that may be the biggest loss, because that man is crazy smart.

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  86. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by danbert8 · · Score: 1

    Meh, I'm only still here because IT hasn't blocked this site yet... Hell they blocked Dilbert.com so I can't even screw around on Scott Adams' blog anymore even though since commenting has been "temporarily" disabled it has been pretty useless anyhow.

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  87. Lost all respect by UsualDosage · · Score: 1

    Wow, I just lost all respect for Scott Adams. No, not because of the Gary Johnson endorsement. That's fine. In a single post, he used an apostrophe to pluralize "Clinton"...TWICE. Come on, man, you're better than that.

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  88. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    But now it's not Just Some Guy's Blog anymore

    Leave me out of this.

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  89. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by msk · · Score: 1

    Get off my lawn. :P

  90. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  91. SOO STUPID... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By endorsing a fringe candidate who has zero/none/zilch chances of winning you take one vote from one of the viables and help the Groper in Chief one step closer to ruining the universe.

    This is Brexit multiplied a zillion times.

  92. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Pentagram · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a lefty and I've been visiting /. since '98 or so. (18 years?? Wow.)

    I only drop by occasionally because the site is a bit of a cesspool. It always attracted trolls and idiots, but there was a lot of humour and the level of intelligence and knowledge by many posters was incredible.

    The average commenter here is now more right wing, less well informed, stupider and less fun. The editors post less interesting stories, with more bias and more nastiness. Some of it is just flamebait.

    I have since migrated to other sites that have to some degree replaced the earlier incarnation of slashdot (not even going to mention where here).

  93. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by susanjane · · Score: 1

    Yeah. It used to be "stuff that mattered." Now it's 75% shit.

  94. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Funny

    You've been waiting about 17 years to say that, haven't you.

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  95. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feel the Johnson!

  96. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by cide1 · · Score: 1

    I am still here....and a Gary Johnson supporter. I don't put the time into Slashdot that I did 15 years ago, but I do check in from time to time.

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  97. Slap all three by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    A great political cartoon because it trashes them all.

  98. Just wow by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    What part of QUOTE "But recently I switched my endorsement to Trump"

    Oh - so you ARE that stupid! I feel so, so sorry for you if you can't understand something the underlying context of something so clear... something more obfuscated must be impossible for you to discern.

    You must have been really surprised at all of the vans that didn't actually have candy in the when you were a kid.

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  99. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by butchersong · · Score: 1

    Hmm.. nothing makes sense anymore. This is actually pretty exciting if accurate though. Not the notion that one candidate or the other might actually win but simply the thought that there might be real changes in the makeup of each party after near a decades of status quo.

  100. He Is a Good Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, he is right. Johnson should be the easy choice this year, but so many Americans are so dumb they only chew on what the media feeds them. For those that can think, our choice is Johnson. He is more experienced, he is honest, he was highly-rated as governor, and he thinks thoughtfully about the issues.

  101. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You left out racist. racist is the new communist.

  102. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by quax · · Score: 1

    /. is not getting any better, and tech news can be had other places.

    Anyhow, slight correction to point [a] I think you meant to write "Grown old, demented and became Righties."

  103. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where have all the Slashdot Lefties from the 90's gone, long time passing?
    Where have all the Slashdot Lefties from the 90's gone, long time ago?
    Where have all the Slashdot Lefties from the 90's gone?
    Young girls have picked them everyone.
    Oh, when will they ever learn?
    Oh, when will they ever learn?

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  104. Re:Possessive by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

    What do their backs being in the Whitehouse have to do with anything? Why that part of the body?

  105. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    I like an exchange of ideas. But this doesn't happen much on Slashdot anymore. I'm sick and tired of the alt-right leanings here; but then I figure I need to hear views from all over; only it turns out these arent viewpoints so much as name calling and trolls.

    In other words, I came here looking for an argument and ended up in the abuse room by mistake (stupid git). I'm just too lazy to leave.

  106. Off the top of my head? by Brannon · · Score: 1

    1. Didn't call a regional neighbor a country of rapists
    2. Didn't confess a crush on Vladimir Putin
    3. Didn't threaten to pull out of NATO

    You and I clearly have different ideas of what constitutes "ability and skill" in foreign policy. Dick.

  107. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    ...and communists are cool.

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  108. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Except that there is nothing Libertarian about Trump, which is why Johnson is drawing more support from Clinton.

  109. Intentional by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    He says he intentionally does stuff like that to trigger this response. That way, you argue about style while secretly agreeing with his point.

    Not that I believe that. I think that's bull. But it is what he says.

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  110. Re:Possessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they're really hairy and will clog up the plug and drains in the executive showers.

  111. Re: Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Xenophobe left them all in the dust. Like how no one outside of enders fans used that word until it's become the word d'smear this cycle?

  112. "Person we want a beer with" != a good president by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I call that relatable. "

    I don't want to 'relate' to my president... I don't want a president that -I- want to have a beer with... I want my president to be competent... And sadly the only person running for office this year (Yes, I'm including Lib & Green party nominees in that) that is competent is Clinton... I don't like her policies on a lot of things (Foreign policy mostly, I think she is too hawkish) And I think she is strangled by the 'being first woman' thing... which prevents her from showing any emotion/anger towards the stupidity that is Trump...

    But all that considered... Clinton is the least bad option for the United State (This is my professional opinion(Which is why I'm AC: I'm not allowed to state that opinion publicly))

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  114. Johnson is a republican in libertarian clothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's better than Clinton and Trump, but he isn't a real libertarian. Look into Darryl W Perry if you want an idea what a libertarian actually is. For those who are liberty-minded freedom-loving Americans (neither democrat nor republicans are) you should look into moving to New Hampshire to take part in the libertarian migration sweeping this country (http://www.freestateproject.org/ http://www.freekeene.com/ http://shiresociety.com/ http://www.freetalklive.com/). 10% of 20,000 people who signed up for the Free State Project have moved already (people weren't suppose to start moving until March, but despite that many already have) and there isn't a place in New Hampshire now that doesn't have activist groups campaigning for more freedom. Every week there are dozens of events, protests, political actions, and other activism going on to curtail government in New Hampshire (most arrests happen at the state and local levels so we can do a lot by migrating to one place).

    That said Garry Johnson isn't against the use of violence to achieve political ends and that's what a libertarian is at the fundamental level. It's in the very foundation of the libertarian party that is no longer libertarian (except in New Hampshire). If you want to know what a real libertarian is here is an idea: We are against copy"right", 'intellectual property', the concept of boarders, drivers licenses, license plates, criminalization of drugs, vehicular registration, government schooling, laws on marriage, taxes, gun regulation, restaurant 'health' and business licensing, open container laws (public intoxication, this is not the same thing as laws prohibiting drunk driving), laws regulating relationships/speech/etc (rape is rape regardless of age- you don't need a sex offender list when the majority of people on it haven't even committed violence against anybody, but at best have pissed in a garbage can or viewed child porn, ethical or otherwise it's not violence), state police/FBI/NSA/etc, foreign wars, regulation on financial markets (ie, government should stay out of BitCoins and the government should not intimidate people or outlaw 'laundering' money), steal people's children, tell people how to raise there children (for instance letting your six and ten year old walk a mile down the road from a friends house), social security, welfare, reduce risk from things like driving (life has risk, deal with it people, your little daughters not likely to be raped and murdered just because it's happened a few times in the history of man kind), laws regulating the age of driving (this is a form of discrimination and requires violence to stop kids from driving), and any other law where there is no actual victim, violence, fraud, or coercion. We are for property rights, real physical property. You have a right to your body and nobody else including government should be able to take it from you.

    What is immoral and should be criminal? Rape, theft, violence (non-consensual anyway), fraud, and coercion. Things the government is very good at uses on a routine basses against those that do thing it doesn't like.

  115. Yeah but.... by gabrieltss · · Score: 1

    "Clinton supporters have been telling me for a few days that any visible support for Trump makes you a supporter of sex abuse."

    Trump may say a lot of despicable things but Bill Clinton has actually DONE Those things!

    I think Trump gave Bill the ideas of what to do. Heck Trump and the Clinton's have been friends for like forever! So I don't know what Clinton supporters are so shocked about what Trump is saying......

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  116. Johnson isn't what he seems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gary Johnson is not a charismatic and polished politician. Never has been, never will be. But actions speak louder than words. When he did have the reins of power in NM he kept the budget from growing (took 700 vetos to do it) used state money to build roads, highways and infrastructure, and left the state with a 4 billion budget and a 1 billion surplus. His successor, Bill Richardson, an accomplished, articulate, well educated politician, increased the state budget to 7 billion, spent the surplus, allowed his cronys to manipulate the state investment funds to their advantage and obligated the state to decades of bond payments to support pet projects.

    I'll take goofy Gary over the polished guy any day, at least he'll keep his hand out of my pocket.

  117. Ridiculous. Clinton's a defacto sexual harasser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is a ridiculous comparison. Bill Clinton is a defacto sexual harasser. He is very likely also a rapist, and settled cases to avoid such legal judgements.

    His wife participated in the sliming and destruction of Clinton's victims. The exact opposite of what a feminist is supposed to do. She is a true hypocrite, because she actually does not believe in the feminist ideals she hides behind. To her anyone without money or power is simply a pawn to be manipulated, used, and then discarded as needed.

    The Clinton's attitude and actual practice towards women is far worse than Trump's schoolboy comments. That by the way are sadly true - women AND men will very often accept and even encourage behavior from the rich and powerful that they would not tolerate from their closest family and friends. Example 1: Bill Clinton.

  118. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well he kinda did

  119. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

    Personally I got bored over here and am spending a lot more time on Reddit. It's more exciting.

    This is probably the second time I've been here this year, and it's mostly because someone posted that you guys were talking Gary and to come on by and check it out.

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  120. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

    It does actually make a bit of sense.

    It's the Bernie voters for the most parts. Bernie Sanders talked about the problem that matter to millennials. He had some really socialist solutions, but he talked about those problems, and seemed like a decent, honest man.

    Gary Johnson talks about a lot of the same problems. He has a few of the same solution, but mostly not - but he's talking about the same problems and the long term future of the country. He's not talking about who has small hands, or who's dicking bimbos, or who has probably grabbed women by the genitals, or even email servers. He's talking military intervention, race relations, ending the drug war, federal deficit and other actual issues - and the worst "dirt" anyone can find on him is that he may, possibly, not be great with proper names. And on top of that, he is clearly a very nice, very honest man.

    Contrast that with the two major party psychopaths and the disgusting show of a debate last night.

    Do you see why Bernie supporters might head toward Gary instead of Hillary?

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  121. "What is Aleppo?" by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    That is a 100% correct answer for a Libertarian.

  122. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    We've got stalkers?

  123. Interesting, thanks by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the info.

  124. tough shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ron Paul isn't even a Libertarian as far as I'm concerned.

    You're concern is irrelevant, the fact is he was the Libertarian nominee in the Presidential Race.

    1. Re:tough shit. by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, in 1988. People and parties change. I don't believe he fits any more.

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  125. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    Oh, one last comment in closing. Could you Americans please not elect either of those horrendous leading candidates? Thank you.

    I would sell my soul to do what you're asking. And I'm really betting more than 50%, probably closer to 2/3 of the population, agree with me.

  126. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Benwick · · Score: 1

    Still leftie and still reading Slashdot after 16 years or so and I agree 100%. I only read as far down as the first idiotic comment and that means I don't spend a lot of time reading Slashdot anymore.

  127. Call out the blame the victim bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope people realize that Hillary was the one that was cheated on and to equate her having a someone cheat on HER with a man promoting sexual abuse of women is sick and Scott Adams and anyone else who takes that point of view should be ashamed of themselves.

  128. Meh by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    I don't care who Adams endorses. I've been displeased by his politics in the past so I don't take his political positions seriously. Doesn't stop me from enjoying his comics.

    If Garry Trudeau were to endorse Johnson I might pay attention. But it's not going to happen.

  129. This is hilarious, yet frightening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of ppl don't know when their leg is being pulled. Adams is a humorist from the realm of the print media. He will change his endorsement AT LEAST once more before the election!

  130. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me guess, you're a Johnson supporter, and have pretty much been one all along.

    And your options are: Putin's boi Trump; Republican failure Johnson; Schmuck off the street Jill Stein.

    So vote for any of them if you want to see things fucked up beyond Shrub's wildest dreams--just to spite the DNC. But realize that even in all the Bernie supporters did vote for Stein. She's going to still fucking lose, and Trump is going to win by the biggest landslide ever.

    And if you happened to be a Bernie supporter, a vote for either Johnson or Trump isn't even a protest vote because both of them are as far away from Bernie's Democratic Socialist's ideology as one can get in the cycle.

  131. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by SlashDread · · Score: 1

    Still here

  132. Free us St. Dogbert by thunderclees · · Score: 1

    Mr. Adams was originally a Clinton supporter but dropped her in his blog on the 2nd weekend in September. Hillary Clinton's physicians "engineered 90 minutes of alertness" for her at the presidential debate, "Dilbert" creator Scott Adams contended in a 9/20 column on his blog. "Clinton looked, to my eyes, as if she was drugged, tired, sick, or generally unhealthy, even though she was mentally alert and spoke well," Adams wrote. "But her eyes were telling a different story. She had the look of someone whose doctors had engineered 90 minutes of alertness for her just for the event." "If she continues with a light campaign schedule, you should assume my observation is valid, and she wasn't at 100 percent," the comic strip author added.

  133. Dilbert Creator Scott Adams Endorses Gary Johnson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love this one, I need to think on it. Oh, by the Im not a coward.

  134. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

    I'm really hoping this election forces people to realize the need for election reform, and really push for it. That's really the only upside to it so far.

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  135. Re:Dice, we get it you don't like Ms. Clinton by jwhitener · · Score: 1

    "The average commenter here is now more right wing, less well informed, stupider and less fun."

    I wonder how much of that is paid trolls? Especially around election time.