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Samsung Forced YouTube To Pull GTA 5 Mod Video Because It Showed Galaxy Note 7 As Bomb (redmondpie.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Redmond Pie: The Galaxy Note 7 wasn't just recalled, it was cancelled. For good. And that makes Samsung very cranky indeed. So when YouTube user HitmanNiko created a video showing a Grand Theft Auto 5 mod in which Galaxy Note 7 handsets can be used as grenades, it's perhaps somewhat understandable that someone inside Samsung took offense to the idea. What's incomprehensible though is the fact that Samsung has apparently set about trying to erase that video, and presumably others like it, from the Internet. The first step? Forcing YouTube to remove HitmanNiko's video. Trying to view the video now does nothing but display a message which says that the video is "no longer available due to a copyright claim by Samsung Electronics America" which leaves quite the bad taste in our mouths. The biggest issue here is that this is arguably the worst misuse of the DMCA we have ever come across, simply because nothing was copied, unless Samsung is trying to claim that by making the in-game grenades look like Galaxy Note 7 smartphones then the video creator was in fact in breach of copyright.

219 comments

  1. This will backfire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    (uh... oops...)

    1. Re:This will backfire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh look. There's loads of GTA 5 MOD Samsung Galaxy exploding hand grenade phone videos now. Who would have thought that would happened!? LOL.

    2. Re:This will backfire! by AmazingRuss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes it will. Samsung just joined Sony on my "Do not buy" list.

    3. Re:This will backfire! by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      The Galaxy Note 8 will be manufactured in North Korea and include a failing ballistic missile embedded to launch the battery.

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    4. Re:This will backfire! by jenningsthecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Samsung just joined Sony on my "Do not buy" list.

      Samsung joined Sony on my 'forbidden' list when they started pushing out Smart TV firmware upgrades that had non-optional advertising built in. So I'm not surprised in the least by their recent attempt at censorship.

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    5. Re:This will backfire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well.. as cheesy as this would sound.. The Galaxy Note phones were definite.. The Bomb!

    6. Re:This will backfire! by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

      Someone should post a comedy video on youtube of someone seeing what happens when you put a Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phone in a Samsung clothes washing machine with the result being a massive explosion (think big mu

    7. Re:This will backfire! by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

      shroom cloud)

    8. Re:This will backfire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with Samsung. Their battery vendor(s) screwed them, and that is too bad. They will be back with an update (thicker phone), with a better designed battery. In the meantime, ridiculing them for retiring the phone and compensating purchasers is a bad enough expensive problem. (Just imagine the stock they have to destroy, and the lost sales. OK, yes, they can take the hit, but they do give value for what they sell. I have always been satisfied (TV, Washer, Dryer, Air Conditioner)

  2. DCMA Fair Use / Parody by sbrown7792 · · Score: 5, Informative

    In its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and “transformative” purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work.

    Source.

    If that video isn't parody I don't know what is.

    1. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yup. SAMSUNG: Thanks for helping me to make my decision on whether to purchase more of your products. I'll be looking elsewhere. In the meantime, I'll grab some popcorn and see how much more you can destroy your image.

    2. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      In other news Samsung's new Pocket Warmer should be in stores by Christmas :D

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    3. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by Rei · · Score: 1

      Indeed. That mod is rather tame compared to some other snarky stuff I've seen out there. I remember after the Toyota "unintended accleration" issues, someone was plugging a "Toyota Simulator" that they made... when you went to the site it was just a continuous first-person video from a drivers' seat, played in fast forward, with the driver screaming in panic ;)

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    4. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      Parody is a defense for a use that would otherwise be copyright infringement. That makes discussing it unnecessary, since this just simply isn't copyright infringement to begin with. A Galaxy Note 7 is an object, not a video. The idea that merely using any random object in a video gives the person who designed the object claim over the video is absurd!

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    5. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not even.

      The phone isn't copyrighted. Its existence and a representation of it as a material fact can't be copyrighted. You can't copyright the existence and form of your product in such a way that, for example, a novel writer can't mention that a person was using a Samsung Note 3 and describe the functionality he was using. Those are material facts.

      The phone is a trademark--or at least its visual form and its name are potential trademarks. You may be able to patent the production of a phone in that form (design patent), and trademark a particular shape of a phone (like the Gibson and Fender headstocks--yes, their brand-identifiable shapes are trademarked); that applies only to actually making a phone.

      Samsung is legally-required to protect its trademarks, else they lose them. That means a number of things. It means you can't make a DogRun Galaxy 7 phone (especially in substantially-similar design to the Samsung offering) because Galaxy and Galaxy 7 are Samsung trademarks. It means you can't use the Samsung name to brand your phone. If you do these things, Samsung must take action, or else the next guy to do the same thing can point out that Samsung hasn't protected their trademark.

      A reference to a trademark isn't a trademark infringement.

      A reference to a trademark in a book, in a TV show, in a video game, in literature about your own product, wherever it is, does not infringe trademark. Trademark distinguishes products. If you make a phone and, in the literature, identify that it is distinct from the Samsung Galaxy 7 by pointing out that it has similar or superior battery life to the Samsung Galaxy 7, you haven't infringed trademark because you haven't identified your phone as a Samsung Galaxy 7.

      That video isn't parody, by law; it's non-infringing. It's a non-infringing reference to a trademark and to the existence of a product. Artistically, it's satire: it explores an existing material fact with humor and exaggeration. Even if it had no artistic defense, there's no standing for any intellectual property claim--copyright, trademark, patent, or otherwise. Samsung's phones blowing up is a material fact; it might be over-emphasized, but it's a thing that happened in the world, and the phones are a thing that exist in the world, and the thing in the game is a representation of that thing and not a counterfeit product.

    6. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, was going to comment something similar. Fair use is not a defense here. And it's not a defense because no defense is needed as this is in no way, shape, or form a copyright infringement in the first place.

    7. Re: DCMA Fair Use / Parody by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't need fair use on copyright because Samsung doesn't have a copyright on this at all. Samsung MIGHT be able to claim a trademark violation (which this is clearly fair use), but the DMCA can't be used for trademarks. Unless Samsung can show this mod uses code samsung wrote there is NO copyright claim here and a blatant misuse of the DMCA.

    8. Re: DCMA Fair Use / Parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't need fair use on copyright because Samsung doesn't have a copyright on this at all. Samsung MIGHT be able to claim a trademark violation (which this is clearly fair use), but the DMCA can't be used for trademarks. Unless Samsung can show this mod uses code samsung wrote there is NO copyright claim here and a blatant misuse of the DMCA.

      Yes the DMCA is the most misused law ever.

      At the rate were going now I should probably get into a car accident, not show up in court and then sue the other driver for using my name and likeness to describe the accident she was in, without permission. The fact that lawyers and judges are so ignorant to this to allow these cases to be filed without being struck down at the beginning is crazy. Have you ever been to traffic court and seen all the idiots that try to come in and play lawyer? Most of them have this level of understanding of the law and they never win, even when they might have had a chance at it if they got a real lawyer. This is the same type of thing, except judges are letting businesses in suing everyone they want and conjuring some misuse of the DMCA to try to accomplish it. The DMCA is a bad law because it is written so poorly that it allows even judges to think that it does these things when it does not.

    9. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      Samsung is legally-required to protect its trademarks, else they lose them.

      This is largely a myth.

      Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet

      The circumstances under which a company could actually lose a trademark—such as abandonment and genericide—are quite limited. Genericide occurs when a trademark becomes the standard term for a type of good (‘zipper’ and ‘escalator’ being two famous examples). [...] Courts also set a very high bar to show abandonment (usually years of total non-use).

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    10. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by hey! · · Score: 1

      Ah, but is it a parody of the copyrighted elements? That's the tack I'd take if I were Samsung's lawyer: this is not parodying Samsung's IP, it is quoting Samsung's IP in a literal, non-transformative way that is not actually parody.

      Of course in my heart I'd hope to lose, but that argument is no more ridiculous than many others that have become established case law. Issues like privacy and IP are where fundamental values we have as a society cut against each other and generate innumerable weird corner cases.

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    11. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One more thing: in a DMCA takedown notice, aren't you required to attest, under penalty of law, that you own the copyright on the material being taken down? According to my understanding of the DMCA, Samsung has not complied with the letter of the law.

    12. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by phryxus · · Score: 1

      So would this qualify as perjury under the DMCA? (per 512(c)(3)(A)(vi), a takedown notice must be made "on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.")

      My understanding is that, in the usual case, this section applies to those who assert someone else's copyright in a takedown notice (i.e. emphasis on "owner"). But just based on the text, it would seem to apply equally well when someone asserts a nonexistent copyright (i.e. emphasis on "right").

    13. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks. Companies, and the media have perpetuated that myth quite well. Like most stories, it grabs headlines, but we never see the retraction, nor clarification upon error. At least, not with the same measure that the original headline was put forth. By putting on page 12, they've done their due diligence. Which is enough, legally.
       

    14. Re:DCMA Fair Use / Parody by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      No, it wouldn't. These notices are made on behalf of Samsung about an exclusive right to something about the Galaxy 7 which is allegedly being infringed. The assertion of infringement has no legal standing, but the assertion is made on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

      A judge can find a load of other shit you're doing wrong if you're misusing the statute. Abuse of the legal system is frowned upon.

  3. Obligatory All your Base reference by mandark1967 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone set us up the Note 7

    they got no signal, however.

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    1. Re:Obligatory All your Base reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may not have a signal, but good old Leeroy Jenkins has a big one.

    2. Re:Obligatory All your Base reference by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      What you say?

    3. Re:Obligatory All your Base reference by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

      You have no chance to survive. Make your time

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    4. Re:Obligatory All your Base reference by rvw14 · · Score: 1

      For great justice.

    5. Re:Obligatory All your Base reference by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      It's "Somebody set up us the bomb."

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    6. Re:Obligatory All your Base reference by Gornkleschnitzer · · Score: 1

      Samsung know what they doing.

  4. That's, for better or worse, for a court to decide by H3lldr0p · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And that's the problem here and in other cases like it.

    It has to be checked-off by a court to say exactly that. Only after that step can the guy turn around and sue for damages and lost wages. It's as backward as you can get. It's putting the onus on the defense to prove that they're _not_ infringing. Assume guilt much?

    Copyright law needs a top to bottom reform. Period.

  5. Dear stupid fuckers at Samsung by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    We already know your products suck, too late, the cat is out of the bag.

    Coming down like a totalitarian nutjob only makes you look even worse

  6. nothing new with DMCA by nimbius · · Score: 2

    using copyright as a friendly kudgel to silence "creative" speech online is a time honored tradition embraced by some of the largest multinational media companies in the world (AKA your friends.) But remember, its only successful when youtube posters remember to cower in fear, recoil in shame, and sink into remorseful consumption of approved content and products offered through their favourite online vendors and endorsed by their favourite super celebrities and brand icons!

    Never use the tools provided by Youtube to challenge your DMCA takedown, and whatever you do, try to ignore the crushing blowback of the Streisand effect that inevitably comes surging through online media outlets --seemingly unstoppable in its pervasiveness-- in response to friendly DMCA takedown notification. Surely a nasty review or, heaven forbid, inventive online gaming content, wouldnt be instantaneously copied, shared, and disseminated endlessly online as a response to whats widely perceived as an "abusive cabal" of "predatory media conglomerates"

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  7. Re:So why hasn't the video creator counterclaimed? by postbigbang · · Score: 2

    I, too, believe it's Fair Use, and he has a right to counterclaim. But this takes money, and the desire for a long fight, going through Discovery, showing damages, and all the other processes of tort law.

    It's better to raise this issue and show that Samsung did the totally wrong thing, starting at their bad QA, bad engineering, bad process control for field testing, and an even worse procedure once the problem was found.

    Corporations don't like to eat humble pie, eat crow, or whatever metaphor you'd like to use for admitting they screwed up. This is a PR disaster, IMHO.

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  8. Streisand Effect Much? by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 0

    Before taking it down it would have only gotten a handful of views, and I probably would have never seen it. Now even I wanna see this video! Anyone got a link to somewhere they haven't taken down yet?

    1. Re:Streisand Effect Much? by c120plus · · Score: 2
    2. Re:Streisand Effect Much? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Video's here:

      https://youtu.be/6EK-Qy_UZX4?t...

      I had a chuckle at the mere description of the mod, and never would've heard of it without Samsung's "help." I'll have to thank them for the laugh at their expense!

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    3. Re:Streisand Effect Much? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Okay that was funny.

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    4. Re:Streisand Effect Much? by Rei · · Score: 1

      And of course he could always rebrand it something like the "Litigious Electronics Corp Explodaphone 7" to mock them further over the lawsuit in the course of complying.

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    5. Re:Streisand Effect Much? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      That was pretty good. I also would never have come across this unless Samsung cried about it.

      What a bunch of whiners. They make a faulty product then get mad when people poke fun.

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    6. Re:Streisand Effect Much? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Sumdung 7

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    7. Re: Streisand Effect Much? by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

      Add "Sam(rhymes with dung)"

  9. Hrrumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When my S4 dies of old age, maybe I'll get a LG instead of another Samsung.

  10. I mean... by OpenSourced · · Score: 5, Funny

    Has nobody heard of the Streissand effect?

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    1. Re:I mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lawyers gotta do lawyer stunts, ya know. They get paid either way, and it's the celeb' or brand that gets the flack.

      Best thing to do is mirror the GTA mod satire, and post that baby over and over.

    2. Re:I mean... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Yup. I just posted a link to another video to Samsung Mobile USA's facebook page. :D
      We should harass Samsung with this until they agree to bring back user-replaceable batteries :)

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    3. Re:I mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it will help if I try to delete the Streisand Effect article from Wikipedia

    4. Re:I mean... by Revek · · Score: 1

      No but I've heard of the slashdot effect.

    5. Re:I mean... by Rei · · Score: 1

      You know, I once was really hardcore on the "user-replaceable battery" bandwagon, but I've really softened on the issue. There are some significant advantages to making them not replaceable, including better waterproofing and the savings of both mass and volume. It's not some sort of scheme to make people replace their phones - or, at the very least, not only that.

      If someone could make an IP67 phone with a user replaceable battery, I'd consider that a bonus over one that doesn't have a user-replaceable battery. But that's rare, and I'm not going to give up waterproofing for a replaceable battery.

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    6. Re:I mean... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      In fairness, pretty much everyone already knows about the Note 7 fiasco.

      But...

      If the modder were to modify the mod to include references to other Samsung phones, other than the Note 7, which would be used in the same way, then Samsung can consider the merits of either leaving it be, or doing the same thing, resulting in a large amount of publicity for a story that suggests the Note 7 was not unusual, that Samsung might actually have an exploding phone problem in general.

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    7. Re:I mean... by j-b0y · · Score: 1

      I think I more than doubled the useful life of my phone by being able to replace the battery easily but probably would not have benefited from waterproofing. I really think there is a market for both types of devices, even if some companies would prefer that one of those markets disappears.

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    8. Re:I mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you drop your phone in the water often? I've been using smartphones for 15 years, and never once have I managed to submerge one. I did drop an old Motorola StarTac dumbphone in the dog's water bowl once in 1999, but it never showed any signs of affecting its operation at all.

    9. Re:I mean... by Rei · · Score: 1

      Not personally, but a friend ruined his that way, and I've had some of what would have been "close calls". Likewise, I've never had to replace/send in a phone because of a bad battery. My "had to replace my phone" history is two cracked screens and one defective charge port.

      For me, waterproofing is peace of mind - not having to worry about it. And I can do things that people whose phone isn't waterproof wouldn't dream of, like wading out on a beach or sitting in a spring while holding it. I was at a nearby geothermal river with my father this summer and he was sort of freaking out when he saw me in the water, taking pictures, not knowing my phone was waterproof. He had been taking pictures on the hike, but left his phone on the bank because of (reasonable) fear of it getting wet. Waterproofing just gives you something else you don't have to worry about and lets you do things that you probably wouldn't do otherwise.

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    10. Re:I mean... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      They're too busy dealing with "Exploding-Jar-of-Kimchee Effect."

    11. Re:I mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not know what IP rating is for the Motorola Defy (if it had one), but that one has a user-replaceable battery and it is fairly water-resistant.

      Sadly, the battery got fat and died. I bought a new battery just to find out that the old battery killed the Defy as well.

    12. Re:I mean... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Has nobody heard of the Streissand effect?

      Ironic, that.

    13. Re:I mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Double the useful live of your phone?
      My 3Gs iPhone is now in use by my mom, it still holds charge for more than 24 hours.
      The 3Gs was released and bought in 2009 it is now 2016, 7 years on the original battery.

  11. Re:The trump camp needs to do this! by clonehappy · · Score: 1

    Trump needs to do what? Get a GTA V mod video pulled from YouTube using a DMCA complaint? Make a GTA V mod video with exploding Note 7's?

    Um, sure...I'll see if they can get right on that, and I'm not prying but aren't you supposed to take your meds today?

  12. Good Job! by clonehappy · · Score: 1

    Solidify my decision not to use your products! I avoid all things Samsung like most people would avoid a rabid dog or a disease-infested needle.

    1. Re:Good Job! by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, same. I have been in the market for an Android phone for a while now. I was seriously considering a Samsung, Nexus or OnePlus. All of this stuff surrounding Samsung recently completely turned me off to them as an option.

      I pulled the trigger yesterday and went with a OnePlus 3.

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    2. Re:Good Job! by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      I pulled the trigger yesterday and went with a OnePlus 3.

      So you got a 4? Samsung or iPhone? Isn't that a step backwards, technology-wise? I'll bet it was cheap!

  13. Re:The trump camp needs to do this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, you just need to STFU. For fucks sake, does literally every god damn thing have to mention the election? No, no it doesn't. I get it, you're a small minded individual, and this is all you can think of to say. But shut the fuck up. We're what, a bit less then three weeks from the election? Everywhere you go all people are talking about is how much Trump sucks or how much Clinton sucks and on and on and on. I think I speak for most people when I say we're fucking sick and tired of hearing about it. This story doesn't involve Trump. This story doesn't involve Clinton, Fuck you for trying to bring them in to it.

  14. Not a copyright violation, a Trademark violation by PortHaven · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This was a trademark violation. And likely taken down under that context, not copyright. And it's legitimate if they used the word Samsung or Note 7.

  15. Irony at its finest! by Zocalo · · Score: 1

    So, let me get this straight. When Apple sues Samsung over the "rounded corners" look and feel thing (stupid as that is/was) they were telling the courts it was all bogus; fair use, an abuse of the system, etc., etc. Now that they are abusing the system to suppress what is an obvious fair use parody - and as such should be protected anyway - of their phone's appearance, that's all fine and dandy? Maybe the Note 7 isn't the only thing at Samsung overheating at the moment...

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    1. Re:Irony at its finest! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      When Apple sues Samsung over the "rounded corners" look and feel thing

      That's a design patent.

      Now that they are abusing the system to suppress what is an obvious fair use parody

      Yes, they are abusing copyright law rather than patent law.

      that's all fine and dandy?

      Patents and copyright are different things.

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    2. Re:Irony at its finest! by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      Yes, and trademarks are something else again, I understand the differences. The irony was in the abuse of the system over similar visual appearances after what Samsung claimed in court, whether it's done via patent or copyright is just a means to an end.

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  16. Copyright law is a bitch; Fair Use is not a right by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    The design of the Note 7 is copyrighted, just as any other product. To reproduce a likeness of a piece of "art" without permission is infringing (just ask the US Post Office). How accurate was it? Could it be identified as a Note 7? If so, then it's a by right thing - it IS infringing.

    Now, Hitman Niko can absolutely pursue this in court by re-publishing on a non-common carrier platform and having Samsung sue him. He may then, and only then, proffer his defense that the use falls under one of the Fair Use sections of copyright law. If the judge/jury concludes, based on the evidence, that it meets the test of fair use, then he will win the case. But he can't claim Fair Use as a right, only as a positive defense to an infringement claim. Copyright law is a bitch.

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  17. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    It's putting the onus on the defense to prove that they're _not_ infringing. Assume guilt much?

    I agree it is a problem but not for the reason you give. Samsung will still have to prove that the defendant infringed their copyright. The problem is one of risk. The cost of the court case is the problem here. Samsung is, for the moment ay least, a multi-billion dollar company with huge pockets. Win or lose the cost of this type of court case is a blip in their budget. However for the defendant the financial risk is huge: he could lose his life savings on a case like this.

    This is the serious problem with the law today. Corporations can afford to bring frivolous cases knowing that the defendant cannot afford the time and money risk. What we ned to have is a system where the financial risk is comparable. For example perhaps if a corporation loses a case like this they should be required to compensate the defendant with one years salary of their highest paid employee. Who knows perhaps this might also help limit currently insanely high executive pay.

  18. GET YER VIDEOS HERE! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Informative

    Enjoy video of this clever and humorous mod!

    https://youtu.be/6EK-Qy_UZX4?t...

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    1. Re:GET YER VIDEOS HERE! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Samsung, former darling of Slashdot, now book-burners and coverup artists.

    2. Re:GET YER VIDEOS HERE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay for the Streisand Effect!

    3. Re:GET YER VIDEOS HERE! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      There is never any love on Slashdot only temporary allies.

      Unless a company sells a fully Open Source phone which is modular and allows personal hacking. However built in is everything including a 25pin Parallel port. As well at 1tb of RAM and 1eb of Storage. Battery Life 6 months without a charge. and All in a paper light and thin framework that can't be ugly.

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    4. Re:GET YER VIDEOS HERE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Streisand effect in 3....2....1

    5. Re: GET YER VIDEOS HERE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can be thick and ugly. Everything else is a must though.

    6. Re: GET YER VIDEOS HERE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It can be thick and ugly.

      Ur mom.

    7. Re:GET YER VIDEOS HERE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is never any love on Slashdot only temporary allies.

      Unless a company sells a fully Open Source phone which is modular and allows personal hacking. However built in is everything including a 25pin Parallel port. As well at 1tb of RAM and 1eb of Storage. Battery Life 6 months without a charge. and All in a paper light and thin framework that can't be ugly.

      I love this comment.

      Also, fuck you.

    8. Re:GET YER VIDEOS HERE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well let's be realistic. It could be ugly.

  19. Re:So why hasn't the video creator counterclaimed? by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

    Nope, a DMCA counterclaim at this point is simply writing out a statement and sending it to, in this case, youtube, stating that you believe, under penalty of perjury, that the content is parody in nature falling under fair-use.

    http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guid...

  20. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Copyright law needs a top to bottom reform. Period.

    Here's my proposal: sed '/^/d'

    Seriously, copyright brings us exactly as much good as patents, and for the same reasons: a king of England got greedy and devised a way to gouge people for even more moolah while enacting censorship -- and then it got worse. The exact law differs (Statute of Anne that gave a monopoly and censorship duties to the Company of Stationers vs random "letters patent" monopolies) but their aim was the same.

    Creative writing/art/etc was doing well before anyone thought of copyright.

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  21. Re:The trump camp needs to do this! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Use the dmca to remove any video that shows him acting in a way that hurts him.

  22. Re:Here is the video! by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

    That is not the original one, it now looks like there are many different ones now though.

  23. Re:So why hasn't the video creator counterclaimed? by sreever · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've had a Youtube video taken down years ago for a claim, and got it reinstated. It didn't cost me anything, in fact I think when I got notice of the take-down I was given a form to fill out by Youtube to challenge it. I simply copy-pasted a few statements from Wikipedia about fair-use and a few days later it was brought back to my account. So unless Youtube has changed since then, it shouldn't take money, just a bit of time.

  24. Re:Here is the video! by cmiller173 · · Score: 2

    I believe the original is on this page: http://fraghero.com/gta-5-mod-... scroll down a bit.

  25. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Samsung is, for the moment ay least, a multi-billion dollar company with huge pockets. Win or lose the cost of this type of court case is a blip in their budget. However for the defendant the financial risk is huge: he could lose his life savings on a case like this.

    Isn't Youtube the defendant here? Google could step in here.

    For example perhaps if a corporation loses a case like this they should be required to compensate the defendant with one years salary of their highest paid employee.

    But if you don't have the money to fight a corporation, how does getting a lot of money (if you win) going to help you?

  26. Before copyright, no credit and no money by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Creative writing/art/etc was doing well before anyone thought of copyright.

    No, actually it wasn't. Before copyright, writers got no credit and no money for their work. Most of the works surviving from the middle ages we don't even know who wrote them-- the authors are called things like "the Pearl poet" by scholars, because all we know of him (?) is that he (or she) wrote the Pearl sequence (and Gawain).

    Copyright law might be broken, but no copyright is not the solution.

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    1. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by Immerman · · Score: 4, Informative

      And yet, they were still written. Which is the entire purpose of copyright - to promote the creation of art. Not to enrich the artists or have their name preserved in history - that's just the carrot that's dangled to further promote their production.

      Take away copyright entirely, and art will still be created. There would no doubt be a decrease in expensive, commercial-oriented art like blockbuster movies, but also an increase in "derivative" art, that would be free to incorporate previous works without fear of infrigement lawsuits.

      When you get right down to it, most artists create for the joy of the craft, getting paid for it is a bonus that lets them create more rather than working a "real" job. And that only if they can fetch a decent price for their art within their lifetime.

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    2. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      The idea is that a limited monopoly for copying enables the artist to derive some (non-joyous) benefit from their endeavour, thus allowing them to create more art, since they're not busy using all their time working on something else simply so they can eat.

      Joy is a wonderful byproduct of being an artist, but it doesn't feed anyone.

    3. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly what I expect from someone who writes for free on a public web site.

      Your dreck involves little effort and offers virtually nothing of value. Of course it can be distributed freely.

    4. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're no worse off for not knowing the name of the first person to start a fire. Jokes on him or her tho. Now we can start fires with Samsung phones XD

    5. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the printing press is responsible for the problems that copyright was designed to fix.

      Before copyright, an author would produce a book and have it printed. Some other guy would take the book, go to a printer, run off a bunch of copies, and sell them himself. Therefore he cut into the profits the first publisher could make by stealing some of the market. If enough people do that, the original author & publisher make a tiny fraction of the sales and thus it becomes not worth publishing books for profit. The intent of copyright is to make sure that publishing books is profitable enough that authors and publishers will go through the trouble to produce a work.

      There are so many things wrong with the current system I can't even begin to list them all. First of all, the time the work is protected is *way* too long (thanks Evil Disney Corporation). If anything in this modern world of instant distribution the copyright term should be shortened, not lengthened. I'm thinking it should be something like 6 months to a year max.

      I haven't seen a good proposal to fix copyright, but right now I'm thinking we're better off totally ditching it than living with the broken system that we have.

    6. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And yet, they were still written.

      And startups still happen too. The grand thing about trying something new is that you can try it. News didn't travel spectacularly in the middle ages and they had what ended up being a perpetual literary bubble.

      But much like the CueCat these days people are far less likely to do anything if there isn't money in it. Those people playing at bars for your entertainment rarely if ever do it for shits and giggles.

    7. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      Possibly a start would be to roll back the absurdly long duration of copyright.
      (anecdotally, implemented to prevent Mickey Mouse from entering public domain).

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    8. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Yes indeed. I said as much in my concluding statement, and it bears repeating.

      But it also bears repeating that the *point* is to promote the production of art, everything else is a means to that end, and must be argued as such. Ignoring that is how we get ridiculous copyright length like the current "life of the author + 70 years", which is extremely unlikely to promote production notably beyond what would be produced if it were only "life + 50", and thus those extra 20 years of public good from having that art available to share and build upon is being squandered for no good reason.

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    9. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by Immerman · · Score: 1

      > Those people playing at bars for your entertainment rarely if ever do it for shits and giggles.

      Actually, I've had a lot of friends in a lot of bands, and mostly shits and giggles is *exactly* why they do it. The money they make is necessary, but usually barely enough to pay expenses. And they're not helped by copyright at all, quite the opposite in fact. Nobody is stealing their music, in fact most of them would love the exposure if you gave your friends a copy. And copyright denies them the right to legally perform popular music without first licensing expensive (even unattainable) performance rights to it.

      Personally I don't agree that copyright should be eliminated entirely, but it's important to understand it in term of a social transaction with artists for mutual benefit, and not pretend that it's some sacred trust earned by the artist.

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    10. Re: Before copyright, no credit and no money by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      Indeed. To your point, I can't really think of an instance where an artist has been enticed by copyright to produce more art post-mortem. This 'life plus' copyright business is horseshit.

    11. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      And yet, they were still written. Which is the entire purpose of copyright - to promote the creation of art. Not to enrich the artists or have their name preserved in history - that's just the carrot that's dangled to further promote their production.

      Take away copyright entirely, and art will still be created. There would no doubt be a decrease in expensive, commercial-oriented art like blockbuster movies, but also an increase in "derivative" art, that would be free to incorporate previous works without fear of infrigement lawsuits.

      When you get right down to it, most artists create for the joy of the craft, getting paid for it is a bonus that lets them create more rather than working a "real" job. And that only if they can fetch a decent price for their art within their lifetime.

      In the past, artists were either independently wealthy aristocrats, or else they had to find a patron to support them.

      Contrary to the general slashdot view, art is not something you can just do as a part time hobby activity.

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    12. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      So, how far does the joy of the craft take you? Personally, I like to enter National Novel Writing Month (apologies if the URL is wrong, because I can't verifiy it here), and attempt to write a novel. That's fun. After the month is over, I'm sitting there with a novel with some merit (my wife's reviews on the last one were "readable" and "didn't seem amateurish in the second half") that I have absolutely no desire to go through the book and clean it up (when you're going for a 50K word count in a month, you leave in a lot of verbiage that should be brutally trimmed). Assuming I mustered the motivation, it's still not going to be particularly good without an editor's intervention, and trying to get an author to improve his novel is, I suspect, a lot less fun than writing one. With no financial reward in prospect, what you're going to get is whatever I think is fun to do (or, really, whatever someone who has more talent than I do thinks is fun to do).

      I want my favorite authors to be able to spend their time creating stuff, to have financial incentive to do so, and for everybody else who needs to work on it to make it as good as it can be to be paid. This is difficult without copyright.

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    13. Re:Before copyright, no credit and no money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've written lots of Perl code, but no one called it poetry.

  27. Re:Not a copyright violation, a Trademark violatio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong. There is no confusion with the few seconds of satirical game footage to a real product that happens to catch fire. A product I might add that is so bad, every single device made has been recalled and the manufacturing of it stopped.

  28. Re:The trump camp needs to do this! by Rei · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing that you're heavily invested in a datacenter company and are trying to lower the cost of hard drives by causing Youtube to flood the market with all of the excess drives they'd have in such a scenario.

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  29. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think copyright is totally bad. For example, I recently published my first novel. Without copyright law, someone else could grab my novel and start printing/selling their own copies of it. I'd wind up competing with my own novel. Then there are issues of film studios being able to take anyone's work and make movies based off of it without compensating the author at all. I'd have to spend a lot of time and money filing lawsuits to make them stop and, without copyright law, I might not be successful.

    The big problem with copyright law isn't its existence. It's the length. Copyright was originally 14 years plus a one-time 14 year extension. This isn't so bad. The novel I just published would have until 2044 (assuming I renewed the copyright) to make me money. Then, the book transfers to the public domain for others to build on it. Very few works still make money after 28 years - and I'd wager most of the ones that still do (like Star Wars) partly keep making money because of new material being added.

    However, over the years, copyright terms lengthened until now it's 70 years after the author's death. If I die at age 90, my novel will be protected by copyright until 2135. At that point, my youngest son (now 9) would be 128 - and likely deceased. If my youngest son had a child at 30, his child would be 98 when my copyright ran out. I don't need copyrights on my works lasting until my great-great-great grandchildren are born. That's not giving me incentive to create new works. 14 years + 14 years would be plenty.

    If copyright law was reset back to 14 years plus an optional one-time 14 year extension, a lot of the problems with copyright would go away.

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  30. Re:So why hasn't the video creator counterclaimed? by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    Good to know. Glad it was easy as that.

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  31. Re:The trump camp needs to do this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... all of them?

  32. Re:Not a copyright violation, a Trademark violatio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not a violation of your trademark to use your trademark to refer to your brand. Otherwise, every time anybody used any brand name it would be a trademark violation. Deception must be at least attempted for trademark violation to occur - that is, the violator must make some pretense that the usage is known to and endorsed by the owner of the trademark. Perhaps Samsung could argue that the use of their trademark might confuse people into thinking that this GTA mod was sanctioned or released by them. I think such an argument would at best get them laughed out of court and at worst get any lawyer Samsung sent disbarred and maybe jailed for contempt; but they could at least argue that.

    Do *you* think anybody could have reasonably been confused by the use of these names in a GTA mod showing them being used as grenades? No? Neither would a judge or a jury.

  33. Samsung is run by MBAs and accountants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their engineering is sub-par these days. Whether it's failing over-the-range microwaves (5E ERROR), burning washing machines, or these phones.

  34. Re:Not a copyright violation, a Trademark violatio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was a trademark violation. And likely taken down under that context, not copyright.

    The purpose of trademark law is to make it clear that the item is the actual item, not a fake masquerading as the item, so when a company establishes a reputation, people can know that they are buying the real goods, not an imitation.

    So this really isn't what trademark is for-- this is a parody, which is protected under US law.

    And it's legitimate if they used the word Samsung or Note 7.

    Well, the mod is named "GTA 5 Mod Samsung", so, I'd say yes...

  35. Who is the defendant by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    Samsung is, for the moment ay least, a multi-billion dollar company with huge pockets. Win or lose the cost of this type of court case is a blip in their budget. However for the defendant the financial risk is huge: he could lose his life savings on a case like this.

    Isn't Youtube the defendant here?

    No, it's not.

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  36. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to de by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong.

    It's like none of you guys even bothered to understand the basics of DMCA Takedown rules.

    All the guy has to do is say to Youtube: nope this is all good. The video is then restored no questions asked.

    If the original Takedowner insists, that's when the courts are involved.

  37. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to de by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well not exactly, l the DMCA has a 7 step procedure that ends in a court battle. And is supposed to favor the accused until then.

    I don't remember the steps exactly, but it's something like this:
    Accuser files claim
    Content removed
    Accused contests claim
    Content restored
    Accuser reinstates claim
    Content removed
    Accused recontests claim
    Content restored
    Accuser is now supposed to file suit, and the outcome decides who owns the content and weather it remains up.

    Problem is youtube only implements up to the 3rd step. (And sometimes even that is not available.) Basically they allow the first contestion, but do nothing about it, and your content remains down. This forces you to bear the burden of filing the lawsuit, and even if you win they make it difficult to get your content back up. Not exactly what the DMCA outlines, and favors the Accuser far more. This is also we whay makes it profitable to use it use bots to file claims. (If only it were illegal to implement it only partly)

  38. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by flink · · Score: 3, Informative

    Samsung is, for the moment ay least, a multi-billion dollar company with huge pockets. Win or lose the cost of this type of court case is a blip in their budget. However for the defendant the financial risk is huge: he could lose his life savings on a case like this.

    Isn't Youtube the defendant here? Google could step in here.

    Nope, as long as YouTube abides by the terms of the DMCA, they are shielded from liability. This means they must take down the video when they receive a copyright claim, but must reinstate the video if the author files a counter claim. At that point, Samsung's recourse would be to sue the author.

  39. Get a sense of perspective by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    this is arguably the worst misuse of the DMCA we have ever come across

    Good grief! it's a minor spat about a device that the public will have forgotten all about in a few months. Hardly worth raising your blood pressure over - let alone using superlatives about.

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  40. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to de by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But then there will be movies where Donald Duck has a huge, um, duck, and mows down ducklings with a flame thrower.

  41. Re:The trump camp needs to do this! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    CEPH needs lot's of disks on many nodes. Then we can do the updates that need reboots with out having storage go down.

  42. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to de by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Heck just allowing unlimited 14yr extentions, but only if filed by the origonal author would be enough. That way you could protect your copyright as long as desired. If you die then your copyright will expire at most 14 years after death.

    And remove that provision that allows companies to be treated as individuals. If the work is pivotal to long term success of a company they should get other options such as trademark etc...

  43. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by hduff · · Score: 1

    I understood that Disney was one motivator behind the extension of copyright, otherwise the mouse would now be in the public domain.

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  44. Re:So why hasn't the video creator counterclaimed? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    This is all defined by the law to give companies like Google safe harbor from lawsuits for publishing or copying someone else's work. It still ends up in court if the original claim is pressed, but Google is off the hook.

    This, by the way, is seen as spurring the great growth of a bunch of the Internet by US companies, allowing them to protect themselves. Many Euro and other countries allow good old fashioned suing of these sites. All this crap of news sites suing to get a cut of Google profits just for being listed in a search result comes of it, as one tiny indicator of what might have happened.

    No company would have risked investment without it.

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  45. Should be pulled due to EXCESSIVE violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    but it is fucking funny when it shows SAMSUNG real close.

  46. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Immerman · · Score: 1

    As I understand it there currently is *no* defendant - there is only a DMCA take-down notice claiming copyright infringement, and Youtube taking down the video to avoid risking becoming the target of a lawsuit as per DMCA safe harbor provisions.

    I think the only way it goes to court is if the person who posted the video decides to sue Sony for making a false claim against them. And since the law is extremely lax about allowing such things (as I recall, no one has *ever* been punished for issuing a false take-down notice), the best they could hope to get for their expense is to get their video back up again.

    Or alternately, if they contest the takedown, and Youtube agrees with them, the video could go back up, and Sony could then sue them and/or google or copyright infringement, with all the unrealistic statutory damages that puts on the table.

    Basically yes, the US legal system is tilted heavily in favor of corporations - even when there is a potential payout, reaching it could easily bankrupt the person first. One of the advantages of "loser pays" systems - far more lawyers are willing to take a solid case on "commission", knowing that the corporation will be required to pay their fees in full once it's been defeated. Which probably makes corporations far more hesitant to bring nuisance lawsuits in the first place as well.

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  47. I just have to say... by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    Your post pairs nicely with your signature.

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  48. Barbara herself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure that Barbara hasn't.

  49. Re:Copyright law is a bitch; Fair Use is not a rig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot to mention that you ANAL, although to be fair nobody thought otherwise.

  50. Re:Copyright law is a bitch; Fair Use is not a rig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah whatever. I bet you can't think of another as funny or effective way to ridicule Samsung for their failure. Would you want to live in a world where the strong can't get ridiculed for doing stupid shit and failing? Me neither.

    But what Samsung maybe could do is subpoena the IPs of the video posters and if any of them are affiliated with Samsung competitors, then that's pretty clear intent of harming Samsung's brand.

    It is not fair use nor satire anymore if the posters are getting paid by Samsung's competitors, is it?

  51. Fuckin' Googles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The story here is that the minimum wage Indian slave labor that processed this DMCA request isn't even trained in the fundamentals of the copyright law he/she is charged with enforcing. If they were. they would have informed Samsung about parody and commentary and told them to go sit on a Note 7.

  52. But not for trademark by aepervius · · Score: 1

    I am betting that they can still take it down on group of defending their trademark. The way I read it he was using the likeness of the object. And like it or not , the look feel and name are trademark. So it is not as simply as reusing copyrighted material as this is also about trademark to which the copyright laws do not apply. The DMCA was probably used because youtube has only 1 takedown form "copyright" not "trademark".

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  53. No. by aepervius · · Score: 1

    If youtube was taking it as it legal value, yes it would be for a court to decide. But youtube , as a private entity, can STILL decide to accept take down request in spite of the court , and still remove video from their private property. And it is quite clear that youtube has taken this direction, not carring about the takedown requests validity. In fact they could rename it as fluffy-fluff-take-down-request if you prefer and have the same process and no court could tell them what to do.

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  54. The law decide only the minimum process by aepervius · · Score: 1

    Youtube can decide to have their own private process which is "better" (at least from the claim side) than the law. In fact they could stop at step 2 and not care about the accused's side. You are thinking this is a process youtube should follow. No it is a process they can utterly legally within their TOS cut short in favor of the claim.

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  55. You forgot en extra step. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Repost To YouTube. Much quicker than fucking around with paperwork.

  56. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by mrbester · · Score: 1

    Sony have form in being the bad guys in DMCA crap like this, and there's plenty of mud-slinging in their direction, but this time they aren't involved.

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  57. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Copyright law needs a top to bottom reform. Period.

    The people who own the government strongly disagree with you. Empirical evidence demonstrates that the only reform will be to make it worse.

    With the current system in place.

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  58. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Without copyright law, someone else could grab my novel and start printing/selling their own copies of it.

    You should look into Creator Endorsed.

    Only asshole people will buy from a rip-off publisher. But asshole people will also elect a government that will enact things like a DMCA, so they're going to screw society either way as long as they have the government stick to wield. Not having the government-enforced copyright also eliminates problems like this Samsung* one, so you get multiple benefits from that strategy. It's risk-management, not risk-avoidance.

    * guess whose phones I won't be buying again in the future?

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  59. Re:So why hasn't the video creator counterclaimed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But was the outage enough to break the 'viral' effect in this case?

  60. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Samsung and Sony are both South Korean companies so the confusion is understandable. Most South Koreans can't even tell them apart!

  61. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to de by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

    Not that I disagree, but how do you handle the situation where a company (many, many people) are responsible for the creation of the work (such as a movie)? If you assign copyright to every single person that worked on the movie, how do extension requests work?

  62. Another video of the Mod by Nova+Express · · Score: 1
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  63. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by suutar · · Score: 1

    Steamboat Willie would be, but Mickey himself is trademarked, so while (if the copyright ever actually expired) you would be able to make something derivative of SW (like a remake with other characters, or using clips of it in something), you'd still have issues making new stuff claiming to use Mickey Mouse as a character.

  64. Samsung needs to get some better laywers by Imazalil · · Score: 1

    It took 20 days from the mod being released (Oct. 1st), and maybe two or so weeks since it got some attention and started appearing in videos for these guys to issue the take down. And, not even going after the mod itself (I think), but only a video of it. That's some grade A lawyering we got here.

  65. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to d by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

    Its a good thing you posted AC because you are a fucking idiot.

    The DMCA was design to protect the host seving the data while allowing copyright holders to identify the person that posted the material so they can be sued. Its a process whereby the copyright owner sends the host a takedown notice and the host removes the data. The poster can then respond to the host claiming the initial claim is in error and provide all their contact info. The host is now free to repost the material without any liability, the copyright holder now has the contact information of the poster and can sue properly to obtain a real legal injunction.

    Thats the steps, not some ridiculous multi step take down, repost, take down 20 times made up process you pulled out your ass.

  66. Wow! Talk about no sense of humor! by macs4all · · Score: 1

    You know, everyone at Slashdot that keeps harping on how litigious and "controlling" Apple is, needs to take a hard look at a company (Samsung) that really DOESN'T have a sense of humor (nor decency).

    When Apple brought out Final Cut Pro X, the Conan O'Brien Show (which is apparently "cut" on FCP) did about a 10 minute sketch, supposedly depicting technical glitches that were caused by the transition to FCPX. Apple didn't sue. Didn't make Conan issue a retraction. Didn't anything. Instead, they went back to the labs, and fairly quickly addressed most, if not all, of the concerns, and even let customers continue to purchase FCP 5, so that their workflows wouldn't be affected while they fixed FCPX.

    When "Antennagate" happened, heck, not only were there SEVERAL YouTube videos about it, I think that someone even wrote a frickin' SONG about the issue. Did Apple rush out with its army of lawyers and issue DMCA Takedown Notices? No. They grinned and bore it along with everyone else. Then they went back to the labs and fixed the problem.

    That's just two things I can remember off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other examples.

  67. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sony is Japanese.

    But they do both start with an S, so the confusion is still understandable.

  68. Streisand effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am not a gamer and would never have seen the video unless Samsung DCMA'd it. Corporate arrogance/stupidity seems to know no bounds. (No more Samsung products for me...)

  69. Samsung doing a Trump by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    These guys are behaving almost as stupidly as Trump. This aside, who will want to be seen with a Samsung handset from now on? I mean, if you want a handset to make a social statement, the only statement that you will be able to make is that you have a handset that might explode at any time. Probably not many are interested in that social image. Samsung is toast in the ego mobile phone market.

  70. Re:Copyright law is a bitch; Fair Use is not a rig by macs4all · · Score: 1

    The design of the Note 7 is copyrighted, just as any other product. To reproduce a likeness of a piece of "art" without permission is infringing (just ask the US Post Office). How accurate was it? Could it be identified as a Note 7? If so, then it's a by right thing - it IS infringing.

    It is a generic, thin, rounded-rectangle with a black "face". I can't even remember if it says "Samsung" on it.

    But since every single Smartphone looks identical to the iPhone of the same generation, it really could have been any Smartphone, if not for the context.

    IOW, it was overreaching on the part of Samsung to issue a DMCA Order. And definitely within the bounds of a "satirical work".

    But the cool thing is, now they have breathed new life into an internet meme that had all but died-out... Hahahahaha!!!

  71. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then why don't studios trademark all their intellectual property rather than just copyright it?

  72. That's ok.. by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    I used a Youtube video downloader (I'm not going to say which one in order to *protect Youtube from targeting and disabling it) and saved a copy so I can spread it around. Companies have to learn that the internet does not forget *yes, I've worded it correctly, remembering how companies said they would "protect" us from doing stuff THEY don't want us to do a few years back.

  73. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because they can't. Trademark is for a specific subset of IP. You can trademark Mickey Mouse ears or Spider-Man's mask, but you can't trademark a Mickey Mouse cartoon or a Spider-Man comic. You can copyright those things, of course, but that's a different animal.

  74. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lets say we do away with copyright tomorrow and all of my novels have that creator endorsed marking on them. The big question is whether the book buying public would even care. My novel sells for $7.99 (paperback). Suppose HarperCollins decides to publish an edition of my book without my approval. Thanks to copyright going away, there is no legal recourse for me to tell them to stop or to compensate me. Being a bigger publishing house, they might be able to undercut me on price. Now, my $7.99 paperback has to contend with their $4.99 paperback edition. Plus, they are able to get their version of my book into all the bookstores while mine is still limited in scope. (My book is only available from Amazon at the moment.)

    The big question is: Would the buying public care that my book has the "Creator Endorsed" logo on it or would they flock to the cheaper copy to save some cash?

    As much as I'd like to say people would go with Creator Endorsed, I think they'd go with the saved cash and I'd wind up losing sales. (This is the only time when I'd call "lost sales" an actual thing since the person actually bought a copy of the book but did so from someone who was selling their own version without getting approval/providing compensation.)

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  75. Note to Samsung (like they'll learn from it) by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    The damage to your name is done. It's going to get around in FAR more places than a YouTube video or gaming mod. It's already public knowledge. It has hate, love, jokes, stories, tabloid material.... Just give it the eff up already. Something happened and it's done. It can't be undone. All you can do is compensate and move on.

    Maybe you should try playing on the negativity as a way to assist advertising safe new products. When a company jokes about themselves about external things that were forced upon them (the public view, not the hardware failure-that's bad decision), people get a laugh and eventually get over it (the harmed aside, of course).

    Don't go all 'iddqd' to get God Mode and pull SCO-like crap for years to try any force your name back into superiority with court rulings and forced censorship. It shots you in the foot every..single..effing..time you do it.

  76. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't a copyright violation, it's a trademark violation at best. If the mod wouldn't have explicitly pointed out the manufacturer of the phone, we all would have still got the message and Samsung, or any other manufacturer couldn't have done anything to stop it. Samsung's legal is still wrong and the tactics of lying will backfire. Our collective hive mind will make sure of that.

  77. dumbass lawyers...will you never learn? by Indy1 · · Score: 1

    And the answer is no of course.

    I mirrored the video as a mp4. Feel free to share this far and wide.

    https://www.btfh.net/GTA5_EXPL...

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  78. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by CrashPoint · · Score: 1

    [under the original copyright terms] The novel I just published would have until 2044 (assuming I renewed the copyright) to make me money.

    Actually, you'd still be able to make money after that. It's just that after 2044, other people could too. The only thing you would lose would be the monopoly on that novel. It's important to remember that this is the actual job of copyright - incentivizing contributions to the public domain with temporary monopoly power.

    As you correctly note, it's the effective removal of the "temporary" part that's a problem. When the monopoly is effectively permanent, the copyright holder isn't keeping their end of the bargain.

  79. Here's a copy of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enK5XGETCZM

  80. If you like your job you should work for free by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As an author, I think your message "we should take away copyright, because authors would keep on writing even if they got no money and no credit for it" to be, basically, utterly and completely despicable.

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    1. Re:If you like your job you should work for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have fun with that!

    2. Re: If you like your job you should work for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. As the prospective author/owner of copyright of the letters a-z, you owe me royalties.

      Oh wait, you want to leech off others but claim you should be paid? F U then.

    3. Re:If you like your job you should work for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for saying that. Politicians sometimes like to remove rules and regulations that they don't fully understand. It will happen again someday...
      Copyright?! HA! Never did we need that! Trademarks!? Ancient folly!

    4. Re:If you like your job you should work for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it would suck to be just like everybody else that gets no perpetual money and credit for their labors either.

    5. Re:If you like your job you should work for free by Immerman · · Score: 1

      I made no such argument. In fact, I'm a software developer and quite approve of responsible copyright terms that work for the benefit of both creators and society. That however, bears no resemblance to the current "life + 70 years" reality.

      I said only that copyright is not *necessary* to the creation of art, and arguing from such a premise fundamentally misunderstands the purpose of copyright.

      I also reject the claim that writers pre-copyright got no credit or wealth for their art - of course they did, or there wouldn't be so much of it. Most may not have gotten rich or famous, from it, but most never do. As for being remembered by history - well, I'm sure the ghosts of Mozart and Shakespeare appreciate the attention, but I really doubt that granting them copyright would have dramatically increased their production

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    6. Re:If you like your job you should work for free by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      As an author, I think your message "we should take away copyright, because authors would keep on writing even if they got no money and no credit for it" to be, basically, utterly and completely despicable.

      Standard slashdot response: you could always make money by doing live shows or selling action figures, but in the meantime I am entitled to free access to your work. Unless it's code.

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  81. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you kidding? Most people would never buy a non-Creator endorsed version of your book for $4.99!!! We wouldn't give away are money to evil publishers like that.

    We would just download it for free from some torrent site.

    Now if you were to provide a Creator endorsed torrent link, I am sure it would be at the top of the google search results. So, problem solved.

  82. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even in the case of very highly-paid CEOs though, the annual salary of that employee still won't sting a big corporation like Samsung very much. Now, make it 1% of their annual revenue, and then we're talking.

    Personally though, I think the DMCA could be fairly easily reworked to put some parity between the parties into the system:

    1) Forbid any automated, multiple, and/or electronic takedowns. Each takedown should be for a single alleged infraction, and delivered by registered mail, FedEx, or some other similarly-reliable delivery service that provides evidence of delivery.

    2) Those claims of infringement need to be made by a single, identifiable, individual. It doesn't matter if that's the actual owner or their lawyer; so long as the claim can be traced back to that person claiming, under penalty of perjury, that the content is owned and infringing.

    3) Give the "under penalty of perjury" part some teeth. If the content is not actually owned by the claimant, covered by fair use, or in any other way determined to be non-infringing; the individual from step 2 above goes to jail for perjury. I think a nice schedule would be:
    1st false claim: 30 days in county.
    2nd false claim: 90 days in county.
    3rd false claim: 1 year in state, plus felony conviction on their criminal record and disbarment if the claimant is a lawyer.

    Three simple steps. And I'd bet that we'd eliminate nearly all false and frivolous DMCA claims; but, more importantly, equalize the risk and power differential between the plaintiff and defendant.

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  83. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 2

    Seriously, this... very much this. I don't think I'd even go so far as 28 years though, or require anyone to go through the hassle of filing for the extension. I'd just go with a flat 20 years. For the life of me, I can't think of a single good reason that a copyright should last any longer than a patent.

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  84. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by OFnow · · Score: 1

    Jason Levine is exactly right. A second critical change needed is to eliminate the Berne Convention from the US. That copyright feature forces copyright on everything you jot down. Whether you want copyright or not. Copyright should be, again, something one requests through specific action (such as writing it in the work) rather than being automatic.

  85. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    Trademark doesn't prevent people from distributing the original.

  86. Re: Thin? What kind of lunatic are you? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The problem I am having with thin devices has little to do with traditional complaints like easy to break or battery life but how well the devices sit in my hands. Parts of my hands keep curling over onto the screen.

  87. Re:Not a copyright violation, a Trademark violatio by 31415926535897 · · Score: 2

    Then I suppose you ought to take your post down. After all, you uttered the phrases "Samsung" and "Note 7".

  88. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by michelcolman · · Score: 2

    To be fair, Samsung did get sued for making a parody of the iPhone.

  89. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think copyright is totally bad. For example, I recently published my first novel. Without copyright law, someone else could grab my novel and start printing/selling their own copies of it. I'd wind up competing with my own novel. Then there are issues of film studios being able to take anyone's work and make movies based off of it without compensating the author at all. I'd have to spend a lot of time and money filing lawsuits to make them stop and, without copyright law, I might not be successful.

    That is a good point. Without copyright, not only would you compete against yourself when selling your own book, it would annihilate any control directly related follow on work -- movies, book sequels, etc.

    Removal of copyright would have far reaching consequences to the entertainment industry and software industry. Many people here on slashdot think that software patents are mostly bad, and we should fall back on copyright. Well, gee, do we really want to categorically remove the concept of intellectual property?

  90. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to d by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If that was to be the model I think it would be reasonable to allow an author to sell a single 14 year copyright installment to a corporate entity as it would give authors flexibility. E.g a 70 year old author might wish to sell a final 14 year term for a lump sum to fund retirement in a predictable way rather than hope for sufficient income over the next 14 years.

    Also you need to work out what authorship actually means as there have been many cases where it has been far from clear if a contributor was an author or merely offering work for hire.

  91. Silly Lawyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They never learn.

  92. Way to alienate your customers by Timmy+D+Programmer · · Score: 1

    This is 'almost' as bad as Sony root-kitting peoples PCs to prevent copying. Not quite as bad, but now I see Samsung in same sleazy slimy light I see Sony.

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  93. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    That is a good point. Without copyright, not only would you compete against yourself when selling your own book, it would annihilate any control directly related follow on work -- movies, book sequels, etc.

    And, just in case people somehow think that individuals or small businesses would prosper without any copyright, who would be the ones to quickly churn out a movie or book sequel based on an authors (instantly copyright-less) book? Big media companies. So I publish my novel (Shameless Plug: The title is "Ghost Thief"). MGM somehow gets wind of it and decides to do a movie based on my book. They don't consult me or compensate me. In fact, they mangle my work entirely. I might be able to sue them, but without copyright protection I'll be an individual bringing a flimsy case against a large media powerhouse's army of high priced attorneys.

    On the flip side, if someone made a fan film from a "previously copyrighted" work done by a big media company, the big would likely still threaten a massive lawsuit unless the fan took down his work. The lawsuit threats might be unfounded, but they would be able to bully people into settling out of court and/or taking down their derivative works.

    In short, a world without copyright would be one that the big companies exploited even more. What we need is copyright to stick around, but to be limited in term.

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  94. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean like all those assholes who Upvote reposts on reddit? People wont go through the effort to find the original author/publisher.

  95. Well they are in their rights.. by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    You may not like it, but the phone and it's look are samsungs IP, you can't just go using it without permission, especially in a non-positive way..

  96. Re:Copyright law is a bitch; Fair Use is not a rig by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    So you're saying that I can't make and publish a video featuring any recently designed object. I have to blur the passing cars, for example.

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  97. Welcome to the internet by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    that this is arguably the worst misuse of the DMCA we have ever come across

    I see this is your first time on the internet. Welcome. It's a shithole ruled by corporations. No this isn't even the arguably the worst case of DMCA misuse. It is however just the latest in a long string of similar examples of corporations and sometimes even private people using this law in an entirely irrelevant way to censor content.

  98. Re:Copyright law is a bitch; Fair Use is not a rig by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    You can do anything you like, but you might be sued for it. IIRC, the current condition allowing the photographing of buildings in Europe (yes, they are designs of an architect and carry copyright protection) are only temporary (or, perhaps were as of last year). Copyright is out of control.

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  99. except you've gone completely off topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Say someone took your novel and used it as a book to give exorcisms in a game instead of say a bible. Do you feel you should sue the game maker for parodying your novel as a bible for exorcisms? Or would you instantly DMCA the entity doing the parody? If you sent a DMCA it means the game maker must now go to court to prove that it was in fact a parody, even though you've provided 0 evidence it's not.

    The point is, 'copyright holders' have all the rights and those who use the laws fairly have no rights. It has nothing to do with the length of the copyright.

    1. Re:except you've gone completely off topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you sent a DMCA it means the game maker must now go to court to prove that it was in fact a parody, even though you've provided 0 evidence it's not.

      That's not a problem with copyright, it's a problem with the DMCA. We can have copyright without adding insane powers of censorship on top of it.

  100. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2

    3) Give the "under penalty of perjury" part some teeth. If the content is not actually owned by the claimant, covered by fair use, or in any other way determined to be non-infringing; the individual from step 2 above goes to jail for perjury. I think a nice schedule would be:
    1st false claim: 30 days in county.
    2nd false claim: 90 days in county.
    3rd false claim: 1 year in state, plus felony conviction on their criminal record and disbarment if the claimant is a lawyer.

    Those teeth are too sharp. You would swing the balance too far in the opposite direction, which would gut any industry that legitimately relies on digital copyrights having value. Conceptually, the DMCA is a necessary thing, and legitimate claims are beneficial to society at large. It just happens that it was written in an absurd way that allows incredible levels of abuse, and that needs to be fixed.

    IMHO, either 1 or 2 that you suggest would effectively solve the problem, though I think it would be better if 1 were simply made more sensible, rather than removed completely. Not requiring automatic take downs would stop the lions share of false claims though, and requiring legitimate identification would make counter-claims much more effective.

    If you really want to add teeth, provide a mechanism for determining an intentionally false claim, and make issuing one wire fraud. Then you get sensible criminal charges for intentional abuse of the system automatically.

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  101. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to d by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You say that like it's a bad thing.

  102. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

    There is no good reason everything made by the Beetles and Elvis shouldn't be public domain at this point.

  103. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to de by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

    Copyright is transferable. OP's suggestion changes nothing about that aspect of the law. Such works are produced under contract, with the copyright going to whatever entity produced the film (studio, uber rich guy, whatever).

    So for example, take Mickey Mouse. That original creation, and all of the films produced involving MM, was owned by Walt Disney. He didn't personally create most of it, but the people who did create it did so under contract, transferring their claim of ownership on to him. The MM copyright therefore lasts until 70 years after his death.

    Incidentally, this is why Disney re-releases, re-masters, and re-imagines all the old films every few years. They are creating a veritable minefield of copyright, so that when the original claim is no longer valid in 50 years or whatever, any independent attempt to re-create these stories will probably run afoul of one of their copyrighted works.

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  104. Re: Thin? What kind of lunatic are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe you have noodle fingers. I heard that others posters mom will like that. Or sausage fingers.

  105. Agreed, but who are you voting for? by Brannon · · Score: 1

    nt

  106. Re:So why hasn't the video creator counterclaimed? by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

    No company would have risked investment without it.

    Revisionist history if I've ever seen it. By the time the DMCA turned up on the scene, companies were already heavily invested. The DMCA did nothing to foster that. As written, it merely serves to provide content owners more power over anyone they claim is abusing their copyright.

    Note that "claim" is not the same as "can prove"; and that is where the DMCA falls down IMO. The burden of proof should be on the claimant, not the target who can be so simply and expediently silenced simply because someone doesn't like what they have to say.

    As this issue has very clearly shown.

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  107. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    > Those teeth are too sharp.

    If not jail time, what punishment would you suggest for people who file fraudulent DMCA claims then? If you take the automatic mass takedowns out of the equation, and make the individual content owner or lawyer responsible for reviewing and filing the claim; you take any chance of an honest accident out of the equation. So false claims in this case would be, at the very least, willful negligence in the case of a more mercenary lawyer who just went: "Ready, Fire, Aim" at the orders of his client without verifying the claim; or in the case of the content owner himself, or a lawyer who does do due diligence and yet files a false claim anyway, acts of deliberate and malicious fraud and/or perjury. So why hold back on punishing those people.

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  108. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Heh heh. Fair enough, not sure how I flubbed that detail.

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  109. False dichotomy by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

    The absurdly long duration of copyrights, from the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension act, is indeed absurd.

    A good discussion, how can we fix copyright without telling artists that they don't own their own work, would be useful.

    The fact that copyright law has problems, however, does not mean that it has no value and should be discarded entirely. Except on slashdot, where any problem whatsoever can only be seen in black or white, a complete dichotomy: if copyright law isn't perfect then it's useless, no other possibilities.

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    1. Re:False dichotomy by Immerman · · Score: 1

      But artists DON'T own their work - they never had. Culture belongs to society. It has to, or future artists have nothing to build with.

      What artists own is an artificial monopoly on distributing their art, for a limited time, so that it's easier for them to make money and thus produce more art. It's a mutually beneficial business deal between society and artists, nothing more.

      That distinction lies at the core of the problem with current copyright law - we've gone way past the point where society is getting a good deal, and are sacrificing vast swaths of cultural continuity in exchange for negligible increase in artist production. If you can't make good money from your art within the original 14-28 year term, it's unlikely you ever will. And granting a longer window of profitability is unlikely to notably increase your production.

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    2. Re:False dichotomy by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree. I have not been arguing in favor of the current copyright terms-- the very post you are replying to called that "absurd". I was arguing that copyright should be reformed, not eliminated.

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  110. Re:Copyright law is a bitch; Fair Use is not a rig by PJ6 · · Score: 1

    The design of the Note 7 is copyrighted, just as any other product. To reproduce a likeness of a piece of "art" without permission is infringing (just ask the US Post Office). How accurate was it? Could it be identified as a Note 7? If so, then it's a by right thing - it IS infringing.

    Now, Hitman Niko can absolutely pursue this in court by re-publishing on a non-common carrier platform and having Samsung sue him. He may then, and only then, proffer his defense that the use falls under one of the Fair Use sections of copyright law. If the judge/jury concludes, based on the evidence, that it meets the test of fair use, then he will win the case. But he can't claim Fair Use as a right, only as a positive defense to an infringement claim. Copyright law is a bitch.

    By that argument absolutely every manufactured object in the game that has a recognizable brand is infringing.

    You are an idiot and I'd mod you a Troll if I had points today.

  111. Move to NH and we can end copy"right" eventually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The very concept of copy"right" is an attack on ones liberties and freedom. It's contrary to the notion that libertarians hold in that government should not be able to utilize violence to achieve political goals. Laws should be restricted to those whom have commuted violence, fraud, or coercion. No victim no crime. Copy"right" is little more than an artificial construct which today does little more than benefit a select elite. You can argue that individuals utilize copy"right" as well, but it's not in 99.95% of the populations means to have there copy"right" enforced under the laws. It's outside of the typical artists means. The answer to the problem is to end copy"right" and socialize the concept of tipping artists just as we do for waiters and waitresses. You don't even need tipping to succeed as an artists, but rather a workable business model profit off ones work (selling advertising, merchandising, connecting software with a physical hardware product or service, etc).

    A few liberty oriented organizations and sites involved in the migration of liberty-minded people to New Hampshire for the purpose of limiting government in the pursuit of maximising liberty and freedom (end the state, end copy"right", end "intellectual property", end laws that only create victims out of those who don't comply, like drivers licenses, government schools, taxes, social security, vehicular registration, etc):

    http://www.freestateproject.org/ http://www.freekeene.com/ http://www.freetalklive.com/

  112. Re:Move to NH and we can end copy"right" eventuall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * To respond to those who criticize the idea I'll point out that it's a long term goal and New Hampshire would have to declare independence first. In response to that being unrealistic it doesn't matter as one does not need the majority to be ones side to succeed. One need only have an undue influence on the political system and therefore people willing to move, activists, will have that undue influence even as a minority in the population.. The majority of those imprisoned are imprisoned by the states and not the federal government. Therefore we can conclude that maximum benefit will likely be from conquering politics at a state level regardless of the success of any succession movement that exists. There is a succession movement in NH, but it's mostly made up of people with more realistic prospects in getting people to become aware of where the most active liberty-minded people are moving and to have influence via other means within the confines what is possible today or will be in the near future thanks to all the people who have moved already and are planning to move in the next 5 years. There is no place in NH you can move today and not run into libertarians on a daily basis (if you leave house). There are multiple activists groups across the state in every small town and city.

  113. Re: So why hasn't the video creator counterclaimed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YouTube has definitely changed between now and when you are referring to.

    Not that it costs money, that still isn't the case and hasn't been for over a decade.

    But that form you filled out to counter claim is no longer in use. Submissions are ignored.
    The only way to counter claim is to call or email your YouTube account representative and convince them the claim has no merit.
    Claiming fair use is not accepted as a valid reason.
    Claiming the time code in your video does not contain the work named in the original take down is not acceptable as a valid reason.

    You also don't get an account representative until your channel reaches a certain number of subscribers. That number has changed a couple times each year for the past 2-3 years.

    You can record a 10 second video of you against a blank white backdrop, saying the words "I like hotdogs", with no other audio.
    Such a video was taken down by "E L holdings co." for containing the content "The Witcher 3 soundtrack", and it will not be possible to counter claim.

    That's the state of YouTube in 2016

  114. Statutory Damages by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    If not jail time, what punishment would you suggest for people who file fraudulent DMCA claims then?

    How about statutory damages to the person the complaint is against to compensate them for their time fighting it and any potential damage caused? If you wanted a bit of poetic justice you could set the damages using the same formula for the ones the typical complainants use when claiming damages against something that actually is infringing. It would be very hard for them to argue against that without saying that their own claims are massively inflated.

    1. Re:Statutory Damages by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Any remedy that involves me getting into a lawsuit with a megacorp isn't going to work. That's a LOT of time, worry, and money I expend with no certain return.

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    2. Re:Statutory Damages by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Any remedy that involves me getting into a lawsuit with a megacorp isn't going to work.

      ...and hence we are back to my original point that we need to level the playing field in the legal system between huge corporations and individuals because in order for any penalty to be applied there has to be a court involved to determine whether the corporation did perjure themselves.

  115. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    You're forgetting that on slashdot, everyone downloads everything they want, then if it meets their exacting standards they will send the original author a personal cheque in the post thereby avoiding all the evil publishers, agents et al who exist only to cream off money for cocaine and underage hookers.

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  116. Re:Not a copyright violation, a Trademark violatio by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    No it's not legitimate if he merely mentioned either. Merely mentioning a trademark doesn't mean you're in violation of trademark law, otherwise you wouldn't be able to talk about most commercial products. The precise restrictions on trademarked word use are best described by a lawyer, but remember the intent of trademark law is to prevent people from passing an item off as something associated with the trademark owner, not to restrict people's ability to talk about products they've seen or owned.

    For more information, visit Bing and google "trademarks".

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  117. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    And they would be if copyright was 14 years + a one-time optional 14 year extension. If this were still the length of copyright, everything from 1988 and earlier would be in the public domain. Everything from 2002 and earlier that wasn't renewed would be in the public domain as well.

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  118. Nice analysis, but... by rocket+rancher · · Score: 1

    I don't think copyright is totally bad. For example, I recently published my first novel. Without copyright law, someone else could grab my novel and start printing/selling their own copies of it. I'd wind up competing with my own novel. Then there are issues of film studios being able to take anyone's work and make movies based off of it without compensating the author at all. I'd have to spend a lot of time and money filing lawsuits to make them stop and, without copyright law, I might not be successful.

    The big problem with copyright law isn't its existence. It's the length. Copyright was originally 14 years plus a one-time 14 year extension. This isn't so bad. The novel I just published would have until 2044 (assuming I renewed the copyright) to make me money. Then, the book transfers to the public domain for others to build on it. Very few works still make money after 28 years - and I'd wager most of the ones that still do (like Star Wars) partly keep making money because of new material being added.

    However, over the years, copyright terms lengthened until now it's 70 years after the author's death. If I die at age 90, my novel will be protected by copyright until 2135. At that point, my youngest son (now 9) would be 128 - and likely deceased. If my youngest son had a child at 30, his child would be 98 when my copyright ran out. I don't need copyrights on my works lasting until my great-great-great grandchildren are born. That's not giving me incentive to create new works. 14 years + 14 years would be plenty.

    If copyright law was reset back to 14 years plus an optional one-time 14 year extension, a lot of the problems with copyright would go away.

    Nice analysis, but...

    Corporations are effectively immortal, and are being imbued with the legal rights once reserved for humans. Well, at least in the US anyway, thanks to recent court cases like Citizens United and Hobby Lobby. Not sure about the rest of the planet, but I'm certain the success of American corporations in getting legislation passed to favor their interests (or prevent legislation inimical to their interests, see below) is not lost upon the business communities in Europe and Asia.

    As it stands, copyright law was written long before the rise of corporations and their political influence. It was created in an environment where people had a very finite window to create and profit from a work, as your cogent analysis makes clear. If a corporation is effectively immortal, though, then this underlying assumption about finite windows is no longer valid. Existing copyright law would need to change to reflect the fact that corporate copyright holders are not constrained by the same finite windows that humans are. Lo and behold, that is exactly what is happening, via laws enacted to extend the length of time the copyright can be invoked.

    You make very valid points about the copyright period, but your solution doesn't take into account the needs of corporations, who have a vested interest diametrically opposed to your solution. Any attempt to roll back the current time limits on copyright would be resisted by corporate copyright holders who would stand to lose hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars of potential profit. Corporate copyright holders would act to preserve the status quo, and would prevent any such legislation from ever seeing the light of day. Again, I can't speak for Europe and Asia, but it is certainly clear that the interests of corporate copyright holders in America are already well-represented in Congress -- that kind of legislation wouldn't even get out of committee, let alone make it to the floor for a vote.

    1. Re:Nice analysis, but... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it would be easy to roll back copyright terms to a sane length. Any serious proposal to do so would be met with the full lobbying force of the entire content industry. Then again, so would any proposal to abolish copyright entirely. Perhaps we could propose abolishing copyright and then "settling" for copyright terms of 28 years?

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  119. Original Is Back -- YouTube woke up!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's back up on YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GhODn4FRoE

    http://bgr.com/2016/10/21/samsung-note-7-exploding-bomb-gta-5/

  120. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    They don't have to put the video back after a counter-claim. What that does is shield them from any liability from the person who posted the video, which presumably doesn't exist under the terms of service.

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  121. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    the claim can be traced back to that person claiming, under penalty of perjury, that the content is owned and infringing.

    That's not going to work, since in most cases it's impossible to tell if it's infringing.

    Whether a work is infringing is not necessarily clear, and some of this stuff gets the court involved and making independent judgment. In particular, US fair use law is deliberately vague, and two reasonable people could easily wind up disagreeing whether something is fair use or not. A lot of the takedowns I've read about have concerned incidental use of something, meaning that whether the work is infringing depends on whether it's fair use or not.

    It might be possible to require a statement under pain of perjury that the work would infringe if there was no fair use, but some court would have to impose a criminal penalty under your plan, which requires that public prosecutors get involved in DMCA takedown cases.

    Also, this can be offshored, which means that the complaintant will not necessarily be subject to US law. Since plenty of overseas entries hold US copyrights, that's a real problem.

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  122. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    It has to be checked-off by a court to say exactly that. Only after that step can the guy turn around and sue for damages and lost wages.

    Sure, but he should be able to get Youtube to reinstate it without a court order.

    I don't know if he really can, but that's how the SafeHarbor act was written.

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  123. Why copyright? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    With the exception of the background wallpaper, what copyright is involved? The shape of the phone would be subject to a design patent, not copyright. The Samsung name would be subject to a trademark claim, not copyright.

    Is making false takedown claims actionable yet?

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  124. Re:Copyright law is a bitch; Fair Use is not a rig by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    The design of the Note 7 is copyrighted, just as any other product.

    Except that it's not. The only products that can get copyright protection seem to be ships of various types.

    (Technically, the plans of buildings are subject to copyright, so reproducing a building, requiring plans, often has similar protections)

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  125. Re: That's, for better or worse, for a court to de by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    When I was young, I could look at the copyright date on a book, say, "That was over 28 years ago", and know it was out of copyright. I really like that sort of certainty. Nowadays, I have to find who had the copyright and when they died. With life plus 75 years, it's not even worth bumping the author off to shorten the copyright.

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  126. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    When the Lord of the Rings was published in the US, there was a legal technicality, and it wasn't under copyright in the US. Ace books produced their own unauthorized version, and Ballantine produced theirs, more expensive (95 cents vs. 75 cents a volume), with what was essentially a "Creator Endorsed" logo. I don't remember the sales figures, but that's the only case of such a thing I can think of.

    The technicality was soon dealt with, and Tolkien held the US copyright to the books, ending this.

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  127. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those teeth are too sharp. You would swing the balance too far in the opposite direction, which would gut any industry that legitimately relies on digital copyrights having value

    The human lifespan is finite, and rational cultures all over the world and throughout history tend to look at stealing a portion of one's life as being a negative thing. In a sense, it's a lot like robbing somebody at gunpoint, since whatever is taken has probably required the expenditure of a portion of one's life to earn. That's the philosophical reason that robbery is criminal.

    Hence, stealing a portion of somebody's life can be called kidnapping. We imprison people for that when it is done by force - and the legal system is backed up by people with guns, so everything done by the legal system is done by force.

    Thus, making false DMCA claims absolutely should be viewed as criminal conduct akin to kidnapping. The sentence time might be on the short side, compared to other forms of kidnapping, since the actual amount of time stolen from somebody's life isn't that large (though it could be, given the massive ethics problems the US system has).

    Making negligent DMCA claims - or even ANY error in claim - should be the tort form of kidnapping, in other words making the corporation or individual liable for both actual and punitive damages, including all legal expenses, and full compensation for an individual's time and the stress associated with having to fight the legal battle to get justice.

    Further, legal professionals are in a position of ethical conflict of interest with respect to aspects of the legal system that steal a portion of somebody's life, as legal professionals are frequently hired to be intermediaries in such situations. If we allow the legal profession to construct or operate the legal system in such a fashion as to allow people's time to be wasted, then we're condoning and even encouraging unethical practice of law - no society can afford the social and economic consequences of doing that.

    Since the DMCA is merely an act of Congress, and since Congress is not the highest law in the land, and since the DMCA does allow people's time to be wasted by bogus claims (with some organizations make routinely, often as part of an extortion scheme), and since the right to ethical practice of law is certainly a right protected under the 9th Amendment, that makes the current DMCA illegal. The DMCA comes into conflict with the Bill of Rights, in violation of the right to ethical practice of law, and hence is an illegal law. The logic here is undeniable, so the real question is, what do we do to those lawyers and others who are currently violating other people's rights "under the colour of law", i.e. by means of an illegal law?

    A related problem involves getting judges - who are lawyers, and hence in a position of ethical conflict of interest with respect to allowing illegal laws that work to the benefit of their profession - to act as their oaths require in these matters. Never forget that associations of lawyers provide huge campaign contributions to the politicians who select judges.

  128. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    I found a reference for this: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/features/unauthorized-lord-rings/

    Interestingly, Humphrey Carter, in Tolkien’s official biography, noted that while Tolkien was displeased with the Ace editions, they at least sported covers that resembled their stories; by contrast, Tolkien was distressed at the cover art for the Ballantine editions, to which he noted: “What has it got to do with the story? Where is this place? Why emus? And what is the thing in the foreground with pink bulbs?”

    Ace’s editions were a commercial success, selling over 100,000 copies, which angered Tolkien and his publishers. They complained, and as early as May 1965, Tolkien began to urge the fans who wrote to him to inform them that the American copies were pirated: "I am now inserting in every note of acknowledgement to readers in the U.S.A. a brief note informing them that Ace Books is a pirate, and asking them to inform others."

    Competition to the Ace copies arrived at the same time, as Ballantine Books released their own ‘authorized’ The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers in October and Return of the King in November of 1966. While Ace’s editions were priced at $0.75 against Ballantine’s $0.95, the tide began to turn as the negative publicity mounted.

    It’s interesting to see that Tolkien utilized the fanbase that he so abhorred to fight back against the unauthorized editions. He was also correct: The incredible publicity that the row received, which pulled in efforts from the Science Fiction Writers of America, helped to grow the fervent readership for the tales from Middle Earth. It’s also ironic that while Tolkien had resisted so “ ‘degenerate a form’ as the paperback book,” it was in that format which they first appeared and grew in popularity within the United States.

    Bookstores and fans began to boycott the unauthorized edition, and by February 1966, Tolkien reported in a letter that he had reached an agreement with Wollheim to receive some royalties from their publication run, and a promise that they would let the edition sell out, with no further print runs. Ace was under no legal obligation to agree to such a deal, but considerable pressure from their rival publishers and readers forced them to the table. By March, Ace announced that they had reached an agreement with the author, and their edition fell out of print.

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  129. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The big problem with copyright law isn't its existence. It's the length. Copyright was originally 14 years plus a one-time 14 year extension. This isn't so bad.

    The big problem with copyright - as it is currently implemented - is not just the length, but the fact that the current implementation is illegal and unethical.

    The right to ethical practice of law arises under the 9th Amendment, as a right "retained by the people". Copyright law is a mere Act of Congress, and thus inferior to the Bill of Rights. There is no doubt at all that current copyright law (both the original law, and the DMCA) violate (in many ways) the right to ethical practice of law (as well as other fundamental rights) - which makes both general copyright law and the DMCA illegal. This has been discussed at length in previous Slashdot discussions, so I won't belabor the point.

    Lawyers, of course, are in a position of ethical conflict of interest with respect to acknowledging this - which no doubt is a large part of the reason that copyright continues to be a mess. The US legal profession is terrified of the public taking a close look at legal ethics, which has been broken since the days of slavery. Huge campaign contributions are made by associations of legal professions, preventing long overdue reform in every major area of law, including copyright.

    Reducing the length of copyright would reduce the negative consequences of this legal ethics problem for society, but it wouldn't cause it to go away.

    We could in fact have a copyright term that lasted the lifetime of the author (or even a little beyond, for situations like untimely death, to allow an author's kin to be provided for). But doing this would require addressing the legal ethics issue. One approach would be to have all contracts regarding the work terminate after 14 years. At that point, the author would be due a share of all commercial transactions involving the work, but could not enter into any new contracts restricting the work or transferring ownership. In a sense, the copyright would revert to the author after 14 years - but what the author could then do with it would be limited. Removing even the possibility of controlling the work by contract beyond the initial term also removes most of the demand for the services of legal professionals, and thus one of the major sources of legal ethics problems.

    This solution would avoid the awkward problem of somebody making money off somebody else's work, without the original author receiving a fair share. At the same time, third parties would be free to develop new commercial versions of something without complicated negotiations with the original author and lots of lawyers. If video or audio standards changed, for example, or a software vender wanted to do a new version of a product, they could do so without lots of hassle and expense - but the original author(s) would still get a share of that product (possibly a diluted share as more people contribute).

    There might be a need to have some "moral rights" retained by the author.

    Long term contracts in general pose a legal ethics problem - they effectively complicate the legal system. Note that transfer of say, land, can be viewed as immediate, and thus is not a "long term" issue, except when encumbrances on the transfer are involved - these should also be limited in duration (with some provision for utility access, which could simply be a matter of local law and not contract).

  130. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Twaddle. It defaults it, but you still have the right to waive it if you want.

    I hereby waive all rights to this post. Not hard, was it?

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  131. Re:That's, for better or worse, for a court to dec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anything, it should be shortened to 7 years with an additional extension. Distribution and physical production used to take years, but now can be done almost instantly.

    An additional idea would be for the copyright to last the length (or double the length) of documented development time. So if you took 5 years to write a novel, then you have 10 years of copyright. If you fired off a news article in a day, then you get a couple of days of protection. Perhaps a minimum would need to be added (e.g. 6 months) to prevent periodicals from sitting on an article and then stealing it.