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Fake News Prompts Gunman To 'Self-Investigate' Pizza Parlor (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: A rifle-wielding North Carolina man was arrested Sunday in Washington, DC for carrying his weapon into a pizzeria that sits at the center of the fake news conspiracy theory known as "Pizzagate," authorities said Monday. DC's Metropolitan Police Department said it had arrested 28-year-old Edgar Maddison Welch on allegations of assault with a dangerous weapon. "During a post arrest interview this evening, the suspect revealed that he came to the establishment to self-investigate 'Pizza Gate' (a fictitious online conspiracy theory," the agency said in a statement. "Pizzagate" concerns a baseless conspiracy theory about a secret pedophile group, the Comet Ping Pong restaurant, and Hillary Clinton's campaign chief, John Podesta. The Pizzagate conspiracy names Comet Ping Pong as the secret headquarters of a non-existent child sex-trafficking ring run by Clinton and members of her inner circle. James Alefantis, the restaurant's owner, said he has received hundreds of death threats. According to Buzzfeed, the Pizzagate theory is believed to have been fostered by a white supremacist's tweets, the 4chan message board, Reddit, Donald Trump supporters, and right-wing blogs. The day before Thanksgiving, Reddit banned a "Pizzagate" conspiracy board from the site because of a policy about posting personal information of others. Alefantis, the pizzeria's owner, told CNN, "What happened today demonstrates that promoting false and reckless conspiracy theories comes with consequences. I hope that those involved in fanning these flames will take a moment to contemplate what happened here today, and stop promoting these falsehoods right away."
The pizzagate psychos are now being told this was clearly a 'false flag' operation to cover up and discredit a world wide pedophile ring... running out of a fucking pizza place.
Jesus wept, this country is doomed.
People really seemed to like it before Jon Stewart went off the air...
No one on Slashdot would ever promote right wing conspiracy theories! How absurd...
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
"Self-investigate" while carrying a high-velocity, rapid fire, large magazine rifle, pointing said rifle at hapless employees, and firing a shot into the floor = alt right.
...the pizzeria's owner, told CNN, "I hope that those involved in fanning these flames will take a moment to contemplate what happened here today, and stop promoting these falsehoods right away."
If only.
The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
He had whiteness to protect him.
If this guy had been black, the pizza parlor would have been nuked from space.
You are welcome on my lawn.
This is fairly typical thinking from conspiracy theorists.
They are the most gullible of people and just believe any crap that is put up on the internet. They like to believe that everyone else has no idea what is going on but in reality they are just eating the shit that other people make up.
The son of Trump's likely National Security Advisor is one of those gullible simpletons
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
The guy showing up at a pizza restaurant with a gun to "investigate it" is a retard, but this case is yet another entry in the list of things that has been bugging me about the "fake news" thing.
Why are we calling this "fake" news instead of "incorrect news" or "wrong news" or "wacko conspiracy theory"? My guess is that deep down, the people that are pushing back against what they call "fake" news doesn't care about truth or falsehood, only the messenger.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
If you own a semi-auto rifle and several handguns, and carry them into a pizzeria in order to "self-investigate" government corruption (and you actually use the term "self-investigate"), yeah, then it's probably best to leave the investigating to someone else, Jethro. Even if you do consider yourself a double-naught spy.
You are welcome on my lawn.
= someone with a mental illness
If you can't see it for what it is, you've got a problem.
I wonder why every official/mainstream outlet is so unified in denouncing this as "fake news", why it must be mentioned several times in anything mentioning Pizzagate, why the "fake news" phenomenon suddenly started getting a lot of attention around the same time. Hmmm. Nothing to see here, move along citizen. If your beliefs need to be changed then you will be notified through approved channels.
It's almost as bad of a conspiracy theory as the US Govt claiming the Russians were behind the Podesta leaks. Just make up evidence!
Any nutbar who would like to go to Russia to "self investigate" the Kremlin at gunpoint has my full support
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
How about we scale up Jade Helm conspiracies to scare right-wing wackos right out of the country altogether.
Table-ized A.I.
We have always been at war with Eastasia, we have always been Allies with Eurasia. Our alliance is double plus ungood. Do not believe the lies of the MSM. All must love our great leader!
"Psst, kid, wanna try Linux? It's free..."
Table-ized A.I.
= someone with a mental illness
If you can't see it for what it is, you've got a problem.
Lots of people seem to have that problem... if the person is Muslim.
#DeleteChrome
Fake news refers to some website that superficially appear to be a real news site such as a news paper to give them legitimacy. These "news" sites may only have one story, but they have a the gloss of a real news source. So they are more insidious than some typical deranged paranoid manifesto posted to redit.
It's interesting how much these fake news social media campaigns are drawing out the nutcases. It makes sense, social media tools are designed to reinforce one's beliefs and continuously show you things that interest you -- as well as relevant ads of course! I could definitely see a conspiracy nut get hold of an idea from Facebook or Twitter, then have it keep popping up in his feed over and over again, then have his friends repost it, then see streams of tweets reconfirming their beliefs.
Social media in this case is kind of like conservative talk radio, in that the most devout listeners to it seem to get locked into a feedback loop over certain ideas, never to change them again. Their host is angry, gets the listeners riled up and the audience feeds on the anger.
That said, this whole story is a pretty sad statement on how we treat mentally ill people these days. New York (where I live) is completing the process of shutting down almost all of their custodial-care institutions and dumping people out onto the streets. Basically, you'll need to be Hannibal Lecter to get an inpatient psych bed, so you'll likely end up in prison instead -- or if society's unlucky, you'll just sit there stewing for years until something makes you snap and shoot up a pizza place. I'm not saying we should go back to the bad old days of locking people up for depression, giving them lobotomies or abusing them...but I do think deinstitutionalization went way too far. People should be able to seek a diagnosis for mental illness without stigma, and get treatment if they need it. I'm convinced this is why we have so many mass shootings in the US. Look at Adam Lanza (the Newtown guy) -- according to all accounts, his mother basically hid his developing mental illness for years and refused to accept there was a problem. But, the sad thing is that even if she had sought help for him, she wouldn't have been able to get it.
Suspect: "But that's how they do it in the movies..."
Table-ized A.I.
As evidenced by this sad case (I hope the pizza shop owners sue this idiot and garnish his wages for the rest of his life), and the election, I think the case can be made that the Internet doesn't necessarily enhance society. It's an interesting turn of events, and certainly not one that I considered seriously. I had always thought that the Internet went to shit in the early-mid 90's, when the public-at-large started to use it in large numbers. I couldn't imagine how bad it would end up today, though. And, sadly, we have such a large amount of the world's population still not online, I fear that it's going to get that much worse. I'm honestly disappointed in humankind that something with so much potential as the Internet can go to such shit so quickly.
I don't respond to AC's.
Read the story: "According to police, the suspect entered the Comet Ping Pong restaurant in DC around 3pm and pointed the firearm at an employee. He then discharged it without anybody getting hurt. Witnesses said restaurant patrons scattered from the venue."
if there is one things those fake news have been good for, it is to make the case for a Noocracy. Democracy sucks, too many dumb people.
I mean how stupid and completely void of common sense do you have to be to believe that Hilary Clinton was running a pedo-sex ring in the backroom of a pizzeria.
You cannot argue with someone who believes only information from their propaganda spigot is true. They will just dismiss you argument as false without needing to critically refute it. You literally cannot reason with these people.
reagan trashed the mental health system. kept too many republican voters locked up.
he pointed it at someone and suhot it inside the business you stupid neo nazi fuck. INTERESTING that the summary didnt cover this part as well.
"Fake News" is the rebranding of Hillary's failed "Correct the Record" campaign.
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It's agreed this was one nutcase, then.
No story beyond that. Except fake news stories claiming the one nutcase with a gun is anything more than that.
When you use the word 'Jethro' that's your dogwhistle of anti-white-trash racism, correct??
What, you mean that the US has a hidden cow level? WHERE!!!!! I want to go there.
That reminds me of the graybeards who would hang out in the back rows of the auditorium at LUG meetings in the mid 90's.
Just amazing how cowardly the right is.
I mean your god-damn Pansy Elect was crying on twitter about needing a safe space because his bro was bullied by a bunch of thespians in musical theater.
I have never seen such a fucking wimp in my life.
Fake news is stochastic terrorism- not for a political goal, but for profit.
He was a nutcase, just like in this instance.
Apply Occam's Razor.
One nutcase, wound up by online trolls.
You should buy a gun. It's a great experience, kinda like loosing your virginity.
I was not a gun owner until Nov 1st. I was prompted by not only Hilary's attitude on gun control and the possibility of her getting into office, but also by her supports protesting against the "right" and white people in general. I've never felt so unsafe in my life.
So I googled for "best 9mm 2016," can came across several recommendations for the CZ 75 P01 9mm, it holds 18 rounds. Cool! I went the next day to a local gun shop and they had one in stock, so I bought it for $630.
Normally I never spend money, so that was a big step. But it felt good and I figured it was now or I'll never be able to buy a gun again.
I also wanted something that was smaller and something with more style. So the next weekend I went to a local gun show. At the second table I looked at was an older man selling a collection of Smith and Wesson revolvers that he bought at an estate sale. I bought a never been fired smith and wesson revolver with a 2" barrel for $600 and a larger one with a 4" barrel also for $600 (still in the original box, both were from the 1970's).
Then I bought about $300 in ammo online.
Went to my grandparent's farm only once so far to shoot, but it was great.
Now the other thing is that I want to carry my guns around with me everywhere. It feels great so I've got to get my concealed carry license.
With three guns in the house I can pretty much always be in a room with one. I've never felt so safe. Just the other night some neighbors were playing loud spanish music and there was lots of people shouting. I couldn't tell if they were fighting or just partying (this went on for hours). I just got my 2" smithy and laid it on the dining room table which is where I was working with my laptop at the time. I even at one time thought I could hear these party people running in my backyard, but I didn't care. I got smithy sitting right here, I just kept working.
And just today, I was in the bathroom taking a crap, my wife was out and I was the only one home. I heard some noises coming from another room, probably just the walls popping from the cold front that came in, but still. I was like what is that? I didn't have any of my guns in the bathroom with me, I didn't really like that at all. Guess I'll have to do something different next time.
In short, buy a gun. It's great. It's also your right. And you should carry it around with you everywhere. If having a gun in your possession makes you feel unsafe then I'm sorry, but you need to fix that. If the price is keeping you back, there are plenty of non-american made guns out there that are $300 new, and $100 - $200 at a pawn shop. I wanted something made in america and something that I could pass down to my kids. So just buy something.
That's clearly fake news.
If he pointed it at an employee then discharged it, the employee would have been hurt.
Either he didn't discharge it or didn't point it at an employee, or didn't do either.
Good troll. 5/5 would read again.
It's his right to do so everywhere in the United States of America, actually. You actually CAN walk around with an assault rifle! A few decades ago, nobody even gave a shit!
Who said it was an assault rifle? Do you know what an assault rifle is?
A white person does it and it's a mental illness, and we should feel sorrow and empathy. A black person does it and he's a thug who needs to be made an example of.
Learn to love Alaska
Or first he pointed at the employee and then, later, when it was no longer pointed at the employee, he discharged it. This is really by far the most likely thing. He could point it at the employee and then shoot near the employee intentionally missing in order to maximize fear without actually hurting the employee. He doesn't want to kill a witness to the conspiracy!
Wrong indicates something done in error. Fake news implies a deliberate action to invent the false news. One is an unintnetional error. The other is a deliberate fraud.
Learn to love Alaska
Prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Asshole's an idiot, I'd rather he be in prison than in the general population.
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It's his right to do so everywhere in the United States of America, actually. You actually CAN walk around with an assault rifle! A few decades ago, nobody even gave a shit!
Who said it was an assault rifle? Do you know what an assault rifle is?
Actually it doesn't. There are plenty of places in the US where it is illegal. In his case, he was on private property and he has no 2cd amendment right to carry there, he may only do so if the property owner allows it.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
Why are we calling this "fake" news instead of "incorrect news" or "wrong news" or "wacko conspiracy theory"?
Because "fake news" has a very clear meaning that should be apparent to anyone who knows what the word "fake" means. Where do you use the word "fake"? You use it in places where something that is known to be false by the originator has the appearance of truth.
That's different from "wrong" or "incorrect" because those can result from simple errors. "Fake" implies that the person who creates the "news" KNOWS it's fake.
Fake news can have lots of different motivations.
-- It can be satire or parody, like the Onion.
-- It can be produced by people who just want to make money -- as it apparently were in this past campaign by some Balkan teens (who are hawking this fake news just like people hawk fake watches or "designer" purses).
-- It can be deliberate propaganda, made up by someone with a particular perspective intended to energize (or outrage) other people with that perspective.
-- It can even be a hoax created by those who want to embarrass their opponents by getting them to "take the bait" and then reveal that it's BS all along (again, something that multiple people have admitted doing to try to sabotage the past election).
All of these things are encompassed by the clear and unambiguous word "fake," i.e., something KNOWN TO BE false that looks like the real thing.
There are lots of folks who have been reading headlines about "fake news" recently and assuming it's about something else -- e.g., partisan sites spreading biased propaganda. But that's NOT FAKE NEWS. That's opinion or biased reporting or whatever. It may have its own problems, but biasing or distorting news by selectively choosing what to report or how to report it is NOT FAKE NEWS.
Actually making something up and knowingly publishing something literally false ("Person X did Y in city Z" when you know that didn't happen) *IS* fake news.
Who happened to walk into a business and shoot because he was goaded on by GOP propaganda spread not just by random trolls, but party leaders. The Republican party has a real mess on its hands. This will not end well.
The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
People should be able to seek a diagnosis for mental illness without stigma, and get treatment if they need it.
They already do, depending on the "diagnosis". It seems like having aspergers, ADHD, or being on some part of the spectrum is almost a badge of honor in some circles, especially in tech:
http://nymag.com/news/features...
And just think about the amount of people getting prescribed Xanax, Prozac, or Adderall nowadays.....seems like people are getting what they want (whether or not this is "treatment", or course, is debatable).
Look at Adam Lanza (the Newtown guy) -- according to all accounts, his mother basically hid his developing mental illness for years and refused to accept there was a problem. But, the sad thing is that even if she had sought help for him, she wouldn't have been able to get itc
Hogwash. She was fairly well-off financially, and it's been said that what set him off was that his mother had finally decided to have him committed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
Although the details behind that were somewhat speculative, he was at the very least seeing a psychiatrist, one that was in the news recently with his own set of problems:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...
I'm not saying we should go back to the bad old days of locking people up for depression, giving them lobotomies or abusing them...but I do think deinstitutionalization went way too far.
Maybe. But you need to be careful of what you're asking for:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
If you post as Anonymous Coward, don't expect a reply.
Fake news? you sure it's not an advertisement?
Breaking News: Kids saved 60% on car insurance by buying 100% beef Big Mac. Buy your Big Mac today!
The difference, as I see it, is that "incorrect news" or "wrong news" lacks malice - it may have been wrong, but it was intended to be true, and either accident or negligence caused it to not be. "Fake news" was known by its peddler to be false, and yet was pushed anyways because The Cause mattered more than The Truth.
Far left for a long time, really? It's not like we have elected anyone that really believes in socialist concepts, like Bernie does.
Last 5 presidents:
- Reagan (right wing Republican)
- Bush I (centrist Republican)
- Clinton (centrist Democrat)
- Bush II (right wing Republcan)
- Obama (elected as slightly left of center but wound up pretty close to Clinton if not a bit to the right of him)
- Trump (who the fuck knows but he sure isn't a lefty)
You could fix FIX DISHONESTY IN GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA by at least pretending to support a candidate that doesn't slander and lie at the drop of a hat.
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Why are we calling this "fake" news instead of "incorrect news" or "wrong news" or "wacko conspiracy theory"? My guess is that deep down, the people that are pushing back against what they call "fake" news doesn't care about truth or falsehood, only the messenger.
We make mistakes in pursuit of journalistic truth.
You post fake news.
They spread propaganda.
Why are we calling this "fake" news instead of "incorrect news" or "wrong news" or "wacko conspiracy theory"?
Because the "news" in question isn't just false, it's deliberately false and inflammatory. As in, made up out of whole cloth by trolls, just to wreak havoc, or by paid provocateurs, to drive gullible people towards advertisements by provoking them. The people behind the fake news are well aware that it is 100% fiction, and they don't care.
That's different from inadvertently getting a story wrong, and it's different from being genuinely insane and thereby sending out incorrect information that you honestly think is correct.
"Fake" is in fact the most accurate way to describe it. So if you're going to question other peoples' ulterior motives, what dark motives are you concealing?
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
I never asked for a president.
"Fake news" did not cause this guy to go to the pizza parlor anymore than Dungeon's and Dragons turned me into a sewer dwelling satanist. The chances of this guy living a normal, balanced life if the pizzagate conspiracy never surfaced are about zero. Conspiracy nuts and crazies existed long before the internet or fake news, JFK theories and Aliens at Rosewell all started well before the internet (or did they?!?! dramatic music playing). Fake news is also not a alt-right issue. Anti-vaxxer's and GMO conspiracists seem to cross all political spectrums and sites like "thefoodbabe" have been spewing mind numbingly stupid "fake science news" for years (and anti-vaxxer's do cause real personal harm and even deaths). It's an "issue" now because the media needs someone to blame for their colossal f**k up with this years election. As the great and wise sociologist Ron White has observed, you can't fix stupid.
Alternatively he's just a nut, like you.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
What we consider "left" is somewhere between centrist and moderate right in the rest of the first world.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Well, he did accomplish some research: he waved his gun around and he learned something.
According to police, the suspect entered the Comet Ping Pong restaurant in DC around 3pm and pointed the firearm at an employee. He then discharged it without anybody getting hurt. Witnesses said restaurant patrons scattered from the venue.
I'm going to go with that being your natural state.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Funny, we were discussing mental illness and the "9/11 was faked" guy turns up - well timed!
His justice department will be creatures from the swamp.
What's wrong with you people - if you wanted to send a message to the "establishment" why vote for a fucking trust fund baby who has been the embodiment of the "establishment" for his entire life? He only knows how to play and not how to work for a living.
The Longmire TV show had an episode where a white male suspect questioned in a firebombing and missing person case took the law into his own hand by pulling out a gun and kidnapping a black male from a bar. The barkeep signaled to another person not to draw his holstered gun. When the barkeep and police caught up with him, he told everyone not to shoot because he was helping the police capture a suspect in the case. He was confused as to why he ended up in jail and the black male was let go for not being a suspect.
I suspect this scenario might happen more often in real life for the next four years.
The graybeards wearing trench coats and selling recycled AOL floppy discs with illicit programs? Yeah, I stayed away from them too.
https://goo.gl/maps/Lvj4ec9pE9...
It's not actually as exciting as it sounds.
It's the ones in police body armor that suck. Especially in that highly irradiated vault where you have to put on a radiation suit.
Someone had to do it.
I'm calling BS on this.
First, no military in the world issues AR-15 rifles as standard equipment. The AR-15 design was the basis for the M-16, M-4, and other rifles but the AR-15 as available to the civilian population is far from common in any military.
Second, an "assault rifle" is a class of weapon that is capable of burst and/or fully automatic fire. There are some true assault rifles in private possession in the USA but the people that own them would not carry them into a pizzeria to put holes in their walls. To own such a weapon one would have to pass a stringent background check, pay considerable fees in lawyers and taxes, and be required to keep it under close guard.
Third, anyone that has had an actual drill sergeant would know how to spell "sergeant".
Fourth, a drill sergeant would never call such a weapon an "assault rifle". It would be called a "rifle" or "weapon". No one in the military would bother to expend the effort in calling such things an "assault rifle" in common conversation. That term would only be used to differentiate such a weapon from a sniper rifle, machine gun, carbine, sidearm, mortar, tank, or other weapon if there was some reason one might be confused. Even then the "M" designation would likely be preferred, as in calling it a "M-16" or "M-4".
If you were in fact in the military then I suspect that you were tossed out with a BCD. Probably from calling your weapon an "assault rifle" in front of your drill sergeant one too many times.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
The fake news cycle had a significant effect on the election. There are lots of mad cows in the US.
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I think I've figured out the deep meme at work here. Wait for it. Wait for it. Here it is:
Loli haet pizza.
There you go. Explains everything.
doesn't the hard-working small business owner, who is now getting death threats and business disruptions, have a really good libel case?
It was the proximate cause of him going to this specific pizza place. Yes, the guy's probably unhinged. No, if this fake news story had never run, he probably wouldn't have gone to this specific pizza place to investigate.
> It's not like pedophile scandals are that rare among people in power.
Uh, yes they are fucking rare.
Just because you've seen a handful of them busted on the news doesn't make it common, it just means you are yet another innumerate. How many people in power are there? Tens of thousands - celebrities, congress, their staffs, corporate officers, millionaires, etc. Add them all up and then compare them to the number of cases of pedos among them. Its no different, probably less in fact, than the ratio of pedos to non-pedos in the general population.
Its precisely your kind of stupid-ass logic, completely untethered from reality, that let idiots like the shooter convince themselves that pizzagate is real.
> "Fake" implies that the person who creates the "news" KNOWS it's fake.
So which of the people reporting on the weird Podesta email about the "pizza-related map" the realtor found and offered to return to Podesta believe the email doesn't exist? Which of the people who found the jimmycommet Instagram (now only available as archives...) believed the photos weren't creepy? Which of the people who saw the photo they tagged as #chickenlovers believes they didn't see that?
See, if you actually want to debunk this, these are the questions you have to answer. These are the claims you have to shoot down.
If you're just going to shout #fakenews! Conspiracy theory! And never touch the facts, well... it's only going to get worse.
Compare to 9/11 nonsense: there were actual explanations about how and why the towers collapsed.
It's agreed this was one nutcase, then.
"One nutcase" would be a guy picking a random pizza shop for a random reason. This is fake news goading a nutcase. It will probably happen again. We've been trying to warn the right this would be the result of their constant pimping, but they'll do anything to get elected, fuck the consequences.
Someone had to do it.
(*+1)^2 lol
Someone had to do it.
See, if you actually want to debunk this, these are the questions you have to answer.
I wasn't trying to "debunk" anything. I was just offering a definition of "fake news" vs. erroneous or incorrect reporting vs. biased news.
The repeated claims of Russian hackers regarding the DNC leaks would be an example. They even claimed that it had to be the Kremlin, when Podesta got hacked by a basic phishing scheme.
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you can't fix stupid
...while I would differ with that opinion, I would point out that whether or not you can fix stupid, you can stop telling stupid people that specific real people are part of a giant nefarious conspiracy. If you continue to, you should be held partially liable for their actions.
Someone had to do it.
Does this mean you are willing to accept responsibility on behalf of Dem propaganda for the 2010 shooting at the Family Research Council where a guy walked into a business with a gun, bag full of chick-fil-a and a list of 'hate groups' from the SPLC and shot someone?
No?
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You know, you're not going to convince anyone by running dozens of slanted articles. Why not present the whole (weak) case including all the evidence and let readers decide for themselves? Or have you learned nothing from losing the election?
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
The summary says "Donald Trump supporters", among others, fostered the rumor. The summary should say "some Donald Trump supporters".
I voted for Trump, and I would never spread rumors like that about anyone. Anonymously spreading this kind of rumor is cowardly and unfair, and can lead to violence.
I'm very glad that no one was hurt physically, although the people who work there must be suffering emotionally. My best wishes to them. If I were in the area, I'd stop by for pizza there, to show my support for them.
Dec 2nd: CPP hires security
Because they were getting death threats, moron
traffic camera facing CPP is turned away fromCPP for no apparent reason (who turns traffic cameras?)
Cops who've been asked to to protect patrons from insane alt-righters, idiot.
Someone had to do it.
"Lesbians Until Graduation?"
This will not end.
FTFY
Enigma
"Rapid fire?" Uh, no; not really.
Like the Moonies' Washington "Times."
reagan trashed the mental health system.
That's some nice revisionist history except for one detail.
It's wrong.
It was Progressive Democrats who had a majority in Congress that thought they were 'defending the rights of the mentally-ill' and pushed through the de-institutionalization of the mentally ill and forced them out on the streets and also 'defended the right to refuse medication' for the mentally ill so they are now wandering the streets un-medicated or self-medicating with street-drugs.
Republicans at the time opposed these moves but were outvoted in Congress and demonized in the media for their opposition.
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Bzzzt. Return to go, do not collect $200. Democrats and progressives had control of congress and pushed defunding. On top of that, various state legislatures also pushed defunding, and then there's the multiple judges which were democrats who allowed the defunding of state institutions. Many of the arguments basically boiled down to "even the insane have right."
I agree, they do have right. So do the public, and that includes the protection from those who are mentally unstable.
Om, nomnomnom...
Edgar Maddison Welch? Is that you, Edgar Maddison Welch?
Edgar Maddison Welch, you get right back in the bell curve this instant, you hear me?
Who happened to walk into a business and shoot because he was goaded on by GOP propaganda spread not just by random trolls, but party leaders. The Republican party has a real mess on its hands. This will not end well.
You want to show everyone where the GOP had anything do to with this? I'll wait. You already know you're spewing bullshit, the fact that you immedetly jumped to the "It's the GOP ELEVENTYONE!!!!111111111111111111!" Means you're already sucking back on some great fake news.
Useful tip: The GOP has nothing to do with this, it was all independently by people on both sides of the isle. And this was done by one person who looked down the rabbit hole and saw that he was the savior. Despite everyone doing one thing, digging for connection that may or maynot exist.
Om, nomnomnom...
If this guy had been black, the pizza parlor would have been nuked from space.
Useful tip: You're more likely to be shot by police if you're white while carrying a weapon. It's in all the crime stats you'd care to look at. Don't let that fake media narrative get you down.
Om, nomnomnom...
He doesn't need to be a member of a militia for the 2nd amendment to apply to him. The 2nd amendment simply states that a well regulated militia is necessary. That's not a condition for keeping or bearing arms, and nothing in the text states or even implies that. What IS stated in the text is that his right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
The exception, not the rule. Any more stupid questions?
Sure, but only if you in turn 'accept responsibility' for the kid who shot up a black church, or the other that shot up a school, or the others that shot up another school, or that other one. Or the dozens and dozens of times every day that the GOP has lead America in the gun culture which hands dangerous weapons to unstable people. Oh, wait, right wing lunatics only talk about 'personal responsibility' when pointing at other people.
The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
The guy that is the leading contender for Trumps 'national security advisor' which is arguably a major position of trust is perhaps the most notable of many Republican leaders who pushed this story and even claimed that it would end in an prosecution. This is common knowledge that anyone who has followed this story has seen, yet you choose to ignore it. In fact Flynn's son (been called his 'chief of staff') has even recently doubled down on that very statement. The simple fact is that you and other republicans have chosen to ignore the party leadership's direct complicity in spreading these dangerous lies.
The force that blew the Big Bang continues to accelerate.
It's all a conspiracy. You're a troll on the Russian payroll, tasked to create chaos. I'm a monarchist pretending to be a confused bleeding-heart liberal to create chaos. Obama of course is a lizard pretending to be a muslim pretending to be an American, all the better to create chaos. Or maybe you're just nuts.
The guy's going to have to give up all of his toys and he's never going to qualify for a gun license again in his lifetime, right?
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
Because "fake news" has a very clear meaning that should be apparent to anyone who knows what the word "fake" means. Where do you use the word "fake"? You use it in places where something that is known to be false by the originator has the appearance of truth.
You do realize that would not include most conspiracy theories, right? Sure, some are created and perpetuated because it fits somebody's agenda but most of the unpopular ones are simply people seeing patterns that aren't there, explanations as cover-ups, ridicule as naivity or complicity resulting in some bizarre theory that doesn't make any sense or serve any recognizable purpose. Cardinal Richelieu said "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged", well so would a conspiracy theorist find the Illuminati.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
How about the — completely bogus — meta-story of the "campus rape epidemic"? Which Jon Stewart and others have covered.
You go rape yourself now...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
whos paying you?
Incorrect news : an error was made during the reporting, but usually that error is due because of the speed the reporting was (e.g. reporting about one of more gunman activities on campus having fired shots), or because the reporter simply made an error.
Hoax new on the other hand, or what they call fake news, is made solely with the intention to lie, misrepresent. They are not a recent invention, mind you, you could probably find some of that as far as the invention of paper. But they took really foothold in the last 20 years, it isn't only with 2016 that it became apparent. But it became a real problem in the last year.
See a democracy is supported by voter being informed. An informed voter then take a decision to chose a politician based on that information. The problem is, when those voter are basing their information on what is mostly hoax.... Then democracy dies a little. It does not matter if the mis information is left, right, trump, hilary, Merkel, pizzagate or about santa's elf. If voter base their vote on that....
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"Trump nominated a ONE OF THE TOP NEUROSURGEONS IN THE WORLD AND A GUY WHO IS DAMN SIGHT SMARTER THAN I AM who thinks dietary supplements can cure cancer, AIDS and multiple sclerosis to be the next Secretary of Housing and Urban Development." FTFY
A: He didn't nominate him for surgeon general
B: Remember Pellagra, Beriberi, Scurvy, Rickets etc? Probably not because no one in developed countries gets them because they are all easily cured by vitamins. Cancer and MS both potentially have features that behave similarly to a vitamin deficiency, but until we understand what chemical compound it is and how it works, it seems like trivializing deadly diseases, just like the diseases I mentioned above did to people who lived with those diseases before they were eliminated by vitamins.
http://listverse.com/2012/03/1...
Also, the cure for cancer is at least in part based on the Hunza mountain people who live an average of 120 plus years and do not get cancer. Ever. Their tribe likely was the real life seed of truth behind the legend of Shangri-La an earthly paradise where people live forever. Why they don't get cancer is what everyone wants to know and the jury is still out, but you can't argue with their lifespans. The problem with cancer at least in part is it appears that the diet of your entire life plays a key role in when or if you will get it, so testing a potential vitamin cure is problematic at best.
http://www.shughal.com/health-...
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
Good, point, but unfortunately, you're Mashiki. So, based on previous actions the link is:
* 65% probability: doesn't say what you claim
* 25% probability: from some very dubious site that also doesn't say what you claim
* > 9.9% probability: a broken link
* < 0.1% probability: actually backs up your claim. Note that 0.1% is an upper bound. We don't have any past data in this category.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
How on earth can the above post have been modded "insightful"? It's obvious trolling and totally deviating from what the OP said. Has Slashdot sunken so low that even competely obvious troll attempts and flamebaits are now "insightful", just because they please someone's political views?
I mean, I don't believe every conspiracy theory. But the evidence here is frankly overwhelming that SOMETHING is fucked up, at least with the Podestas, and possibly with an incredibly large cross-section of Washington DC.
Yes. They are rich and making rules for the poor. That's wrong. Nothing, however, points to a child trafficking ring. And this rumor was clearly started as a troll, and a lot of obviously false things have been said to promote it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The linked story doesn't seem to support your claim. We need the raw numbers and then we can calculate the percentages based on the ethnic profiles in the total population, alright?
Because "fake news" has a very clear meaning that should be apparent to anyone who knows what the word "fake" means. Where do you use the word "fake"? You use it in places where something that is known to be false by the originator has the appearance of truth.
You do realize that would not include most conspiracy theories, right? Sure, some are created and perpetuated because it fits somebody's agenda but most of the unpopular ones are simply people seeing patterns that aren't there, explanations as cover-ups, ridicule as naivity or complicity resulting in some bizarre theory that doesn't make any sense or serve any recognizable purpose.
It becomes fake news when they report bullshit without fact-checking because it sounds truthy and if true, supports their point. And this is what happens every time. Supposed chemtrail planes which are actually full of tanks used to create different weight distributions for testing, for example.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
If you believe owning guns is wrong or worthy of criticism (to the point that you need to specifically call out a semi-automatic rifle and several handguns), you're an idiot.
I own multiple firearms including a handgun designed specifically for concealed carry and I didn't read that the way you did, which is to say wrong. There are many idiots participating in this conversation, and you are at least two of them.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
That would only be relevant if there were a 50:50 ratio of black and white people. In fact your own link doesn't suggest what you are suggesting, it instead accepts that black people are more likely to get shot by cops and blames it on them being violent criminals.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Mashiki, you have repeatedly posted this conspiracy theory to Slashdot, claiming it to be true and backed up by convincing evidence. You complained bitterly that the "mainstream media" wasn't giving it enough attention, only the real journalists on the trumped up blogs you read were. You were completely suckered in and swallowed the lie whole.
So if you are worried about protection from people who have a mental illness that makes them susceptible to this kind of manipulation through fake news, perhaps you should start by getting some help yourself.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I'm a conservative and strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, but can we please let that bogus list die. It's false example
Nidal Hassan, No political registration in either Texas or his prior state of residency Virginia, because neither requires registering as a member of a particular party.
Seung-Hui Cho, resident alien with no voting rights. As such he never registered to vote, party affiliation not known.
That's just a couple examples off the top of my head. The list you pulled these from was debunked years ago. Nutjobs come from both sides of the political spectrum.
That's one less nutcase out on the streets
Sorry, I'm a PL/I guy
Violent crime is down significantly from the 1970s. How does that jive with your theory?
The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do. - B.F. Skinner
Have you read the stickied list of so-called "proof" at the Voat Pizzagate page?
Sentences deliberately taken out of context, obvious office in-jokes, tons of dad humor that I recognize from all the places I've worked.
People are reading a hell of a lot more into this than it warrants. E-mail correspondence taken out of context can be interpreted in a lot of ways, especially if it was related to conversations, text messages or chats that happened beforehand. People are only seeing maybe only the 20% of the correspondence that was written down, and they're interpolating wildly to match their agenda.
Eat the rich.
You misspelled SPLC.
I did. There's no evidence.
Literally everything in the stickied Voat post is bullshit allegations and complete guesswork, based on sentences taken out of context and obvious groan-worthy dad jokes.
And seriously, wouldn't you change your logo if it turned out to bear a similarity to an design allegedly used by pedophiles? It's a really simple design, which has been used in a lot of other contexts. A similar thing happened with the heart-within-heart symbol, which has been used by a group of ice cream manufacturers for decades, but also happens to allegedly be used withing pedo circles. Again, a very simple design, that a lot of designers probably all came up with independently.
Eat the rich.
That would only be relevant if there were a 50:50 ratio of black and white people.
Nothing is 50:50, and nothing is like that in criminology.
In fact your own link doesn't suggest what you are suggesting, it instead accepts that black people are more likely to get shot by cops and blames it on them being violent criminals.
And there's the part where you don't even understand the methodology, let alone what the data says. The article states that they're likely to be shot because of a known bias towards criminal behavior. Whites are still shot more often the blacks, and police are more likely to shoot a white then a black because of racial bias.
Om, nomnomnom...
If anyone is trying to revise history, it's you.
Yes it was Reagan.
No, it wasnt a democratic congress.
No, the democrats in congress at that time could not be considered progressive (much as you like to use the word as an invective).
Deinstitutionalization began in California, just before Reagan became governor. It was a response to a set of legitimate problems, originally as a concept of trying to get patients into more local care, with less federal and state funding. But that didnt happen, patients instead began ending up on the streets or in privately run (for profit) facilities.
And then Reagan as governor continued it, expanded it, oversaw the increasing privatization of it, and got paid by the people who profited off of the privatization.
At the national level, Carter and the Congress (the one you mistakenly say was to blame...) crafted a law, just before Reagan became president, to roll back deinstitutionalization, and provide federal funding to be gin getting a handle on the growing problem.
and Reagan along with a Republican controlled Congress killed the law as soon as he became president.
From American Psychosis:
In November 1980, Republican Ronald Reagan overwhelmingly defeated Jimmy Carter, who received less than 42% of the popular vote, for president. Republicans took control of the Senate (53 to 46), the first time they had dominated either chamber since 1954. Although the House remained under Democratic control (243 to 192), their margin was actually much slimmer, because many southern “boll weevil” Democrats voted with the Republicans.
One month prior to the election, President Carter had signed the Mental Health Systems Act, which had proposed to continue the federal community mental health centers program , although with some additional state involvement. Consistent with the report of the Carter Commission, the act also included a provision for federal grants “for projects for the prevention of mental illness and the promotion of positive mental health,” an indication of how little learning had taken place among the Carter Commission members and professionals at NIMH. With President Reagan and the Republicans taking over, the Mental Health Systems Act was discarded before the ink had dried and the CMHC funds were simply block granted to the states. The CMHC program had not only died but been buried as well. An autopsy could have listed the cause of death as naiveté complicated by grandiosity.
President Reagan never understood mental illness. Like Richard Nixon, he was a product of the Southern California culture that associated psychiatry with Communism. Two months after taking office, Reagan was shot by John Hinckley, a young man with untreated schizophrenia. Two years later, Reagan called Dr. Roger Peele, then director of St. Elizabeths Hospital, where Hinckley was being treated, and tried to arrange to meet with Hinckley, so that Reagan could forgive him. Peele tactfully told the president that this was not a good idea. Reagan was also exposed to the consequences of untreated mental illness through the two sons of Roy Miller, his personal tax advisor. Both sons developed schizophrenia; one committed suicide in 1981, and the other killed his mother in 1983. Despite such personal exposure, Reagan never exhibited any interest in the need for research or better treatment for serious mental illness.
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California has traditionally been on the cutting edge of American cultural developments, with Anaheim and Modesto experiencing changes before Atlanta and Moline. This was also true in the exodus of patients from state psychiatric hospitals. Beginning in the late 1950s, California became the national leader in aggressively moving patients from state hospitals to nursing homes and board-and-care homes, known in other states by names such as group homes, boarding homes
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Honestly, at this point, since BlueStrat and Mashiki keep consistently posting the same wrong information, I must conclude they are in fact the same person.
Reality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Senate Majority: Republican (first time since the 50s)
House Majority: Democratic, but with a big caveat: the majority of southern democratic delegates were Boll Weevil democrats who voted with the Republicans (a continuation of the southern democrats, dixiecrats, etc, who simply hadn't gone over to the republican party in the 70s as part of Nixon's successful southern strategy)
So no, Democrats did NOT have control of congress.
And, the previous congress, which WAS Democrat controlled, actually voted to try and fix the deinstitutionalization mess, passing the Mental Health Systems Act, which was then signed into law by Pres. Carter about a month before the 1980 election.
It was this Act that Reagan, along with the GOP controlled Senate, then killed and repealed wholesale (all but the patients' bill of rights) in the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981.
So again: you, like BlueStrat, are wrong on all counts.
So I'll take my $200, thank you very much.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
...I mean, I don't believe every conspiracy theory...
But you do believe this one.
I was prompted by not only Hilary's attitude on gun control
Go ahead and watch that first Trump/Clinton debate again. Go ahead, I'll wait....
Did you see what I saw? Both Trump and Clinton agreed with each other about gun control.
42:15 is when they start talking about gun violence
44:30 - Trump - "you take the gun away from criminals that shouldn't be having it"
45:35 - Trump - "we have to take the guns away these people that have them and they are bad people and shouldn't have them"
50:10 - Clinton - "if you are too dangerous to fly you are too dangerous to own a gun" *Trump nods agreement*
They have the same stance on gun control...
Most gun violence is perpetrated by low income people living in high crime areas. The people in those particular high crime areas tend to vote overwhelmingly Democrat (when they do vote).
Liberal news media outlets only care about gun violence when people outside of that demographic are involved. They usually focus on weapons that only account for a tiny minority of gun mayhem.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Uh, no. It accepts that black people are more likely to get shot as a percentage of population.
There's a reason for that - as a percentage of population, blacks are more likely to be involved in both non-violent and violent crime, which makes them (as a percentage of population) far more likely to interact with police, than whites. (FBI/Census)
For example: despite blacks being only 13% of the overall population, there were more black murder victims than White and Latino combined - and over 90% were killed by black perpetrators.
This is what annoys the hell out of me in regards to all these claims of police racism. For the most part, when controlled for actual crime rates and police interaction, the claims don't hold up and generally suggest the opposite.
Fake news? Misleading news? Where does the deliberate selection of one statistic while leaving out context and 'explanatory' information in favor of an ideological position fit in to this discussion?
These statistics aren't 'racist' but if you (or a newspaper) use them, that's the first accusation they'll face.
Drooling Moron that believe everything and has no understanding about safety or even proper etiquette goes on a ego building adventure and finally gets what he needs from the police.
The dude is a mental patient that needs serious help and because of how unstable he is needs to have firearms removed from his possession. Sorry but if you are that much of a headcase, you do NOT need to own guns.. There are laws in place that already state this.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Unless you are bat shit crazy or a felon. there are laws that cover that and every sane gun rights person supports them.
The dude is bat shit crazy.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
First, even though this is a conspiracy theory, there is some historical fact on which it is based. This goes back to the days of Ted Kennedy and Chris Dodd engaging in the waitress sandwich. No prizes for pointing out the obvious hypocrisy. But the second and much much larger problem is how non-law-enforcement citizens are increasingly engaging in vigilantism. This case is that of one person but when one group decides to target the livelihood of a person because that person won't toe the group's ideological line, that's a very very dangerous behavioral pattern.
Federal law was passed against longarm open carry in response to the Black Panthers in the 60's and 70's. Learn your laws.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Liberal news media? Hahaha. DNE.
This country doesn't have liberals. It has centrists. The right here is just so bat shit crazy it makes the centrists look liberal.
I wish people would get over the left/right bullshit. Both groups in this country are ignorant as fuck and unable to get their way outta a wet paper bag.
FYI, CZ is not American made, you were also ripped off on the price. You probably overpaid for the snub nose as well.
Because those adjectives mean different things. It is why these words exist in the first place.
I admire your honesty, klueless.
I read the linked article and it doesn't back up what you claim at all.
You've got to wonder where all of those morons suddenly come from, though. It's as if the web had exploded with idiocy during the past few months. 2016 is the year of the morons.
I know this is completely untenable, but there should a license to get online.
There should be training, perhaps like going through drivers ed or hunters ed, to get a license to get on the internet.
These dipshits, these FB idiots who believe every bizarre and completely unverified story or anecdote they see online should not have the ability to even be there in the first place.
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
So which of the people reporting on the weird Podesta email about the "pizza-related map" the realtor found and offered to return to Podesta believe the email doesn't exist?
The "fake" here is:
Which of the people who found the jimmycommet Instagram (now only available as archives...) believed the photos weren't creepy?
The fake here is the "creepy" was created by the conspiracy: The pictures of children enjoying pizza are creepy because of the pedophilia claims. ...Unless you want to claim Chuck-E-Cheese's entire marketing for the past several decades is creepy.
Which of the people who saw the photo they tagged as #chickenlovers believes they didn't see that?
And which of the people who saw they photo actually have any relevant information about said photo?
This entire "scandal" is an updated version of the McMartin preschool hysteria.
Your user_id says it all.
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
So are you agreeing Pizzagate is not fake news? It's a conspiracy theory. Nobody just made it up. They found weird emails with weird statements that no one would make that look like some kind of code and weird social media accounts with weird stuff posted to them. And nobody's bothered to explain "oh...this is what a pizza-related map handkerchief is, don't you feel silly now?" Or explain how one...I can't remember what it was "plays dominoes better on pizza or pasta" or whatever that weird message was.
I'm not saying it's true. I doubt it...it's probably confirmation bias. But screaming "fake news!!!" isn't going to make it stop. Someone needs to offer an alternative explanation to the weird language and debunk the conspiracy theory. When people think they saw a UFO the g-man needs to explain that no, it was swamp gas reflecting off a weather balloon or whatever. You can't just stand there saying "nothing to see here move along."
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
It would be nice if Podesta and pals would explain the in-jokes then. After all, nutjobs are taking it seriously and someone might get hurt. Also just for my own curiosity I'd really like to know what a pizza-related map handkerchief is.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Considering your statement flies exactly 180 degrees from reality, I'm gonna stick a [citation needed] right here.
I find it incredible that so many people deny all the evidence relating to conspiracies!
What is harder to believe? That conspiracies dont exist, or that they do exist? conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful
It is literally impossible that conspiracies don't exist and the people who control the sources of power in the world have their own private agendas which include illegal activities. Really, people need to pull their heads out and grow up.
Your name isn't Homer Simpson by any chance, is it?
How about "hoaxes"? Or "lies", possibly including "slander"? We don't need to make up new words,any more than we needed "identity theft" to describe "fraud by impersonation" or "criminal impersonation".
Is the mass media responsible for fabricating stories and inciting riots? Seems to me the media routinely fans the flames of racial division by releasing false information.
Remember the Charlotte riots? The media first reported that Keith Scott was unarmed. This was a major factor that led to the riots. Turns out, Keith Scott was armed. Is this a case of media fabrications causing riots?
In the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown, the media first reported that Brown was on his knees with his hands up. Turns out, that was another media fabrication which also led to riots.
In the Ahmed Mohamed clock incident, the media first reported that Ahmed was just building a clock, as a project for his electronics class, but the principal called the police because Ahmed was a Muslim. Turns out, that was another media fabrication. Ahmed used a clock that he bought at a department store, along with a briefcase and other props, to make a fake bomb. In a post-Columbine world, what should the principal have done? What if it had been a bomb? BTW: although he was richly rewarded for this stunt, Ahmed has been posting extremely anti-American rants: he called the 9/11 attacks self defence, he supports BLM, and much more.
When George Michael Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin, the media first posted photos of an 11 year old Trayvon. Months after the incident, some people still believed that Zimmerman attacked a small child, which was not the case. Trayvon was an athletic 5'11" and 160 lbs. and was beating the snot out of Zimmerman. Maybe Zimmerman was not justified in shooting Trayvon, but Trayvon was not an 11 year child, and the media tried to insinuate.
Less judgemental: If a person carries a rifle and several handguns into a pizzeria, and points a weapon at people, and fires a weapon within the city limits of a city with strict gun laws, that person has committed assault with a deadly weapon (and some lesser crimes). Period. Doesn't matter why.
This labeling pisses me off, because it used to be The Daily Show, SNL's Weekend Update, etc were what "fake news" meant. Fake news just meant satire or hoaxes of exposure done in a certain style.
And not only was the term "fake news" already taken, but also, the stuff we're talking about here already had a name too: "lies."
They're simply lies. WTF was wrong with "lies?" And what was wrong with letting "fake news" keep its meaning? Why fix what isn't broken?
Death to the 2016 meaning of "fake news." Ye Olde English (how people spoke in 2015) was better than this. Yes, language evolves, but it doesn't need to happen this stupidly. This is the kind of crap that makes me think I'm going to have to re-learn what "hacker" means again, in 2017. Hacker: a person who carries a mobile phone.
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
Break aim and fire into the floor to show you're serious - and too stupid to consider the danger of a ricochet. If a police officer had done it, they would call it a "warning shot". But since it was a random citizen pointing a weapon at another random citizen, it's assault with a deadly weapon, followed by the discharge of a firearm within city limits, reckless endangerment, reckless handling of a firearm, and a bunch of other citations for which the moron should be locked up.
Yes - and the liberals get caught in a loop where they believe that an endless stream of money exists to hand out and support different programs. And the environment is on fire leading to environmental terrorism.
It isn't just a Conservative problem. Liberals get stuck in the same loop. I think -- *People* get stuck in a loop and their personal bias skews the information presented.
I love how talk radio hosts make things up too. "I can't find anything disproving this - so ... I don't know... this might be true" Nothing proving a negative so it must be true.
Go to a doctor and get yourself on some sort of medication.
good points, hope the accuracy catches on
"The ability to delude yourself may be an important survival tool" - Jane Wagner -
While CZ is a Czech company, manufacturing pistols in the Czech Republic and rifles in Turkey, CZ-USA is an American company and does have a design and warehouse facility in Kansas City, Missouri. Most guns distributed from that facility are made in the Czech Republic or Turkey, regardless of where they were designed, but CZ-USA does also have a custom shop in Warsaw, Missouri, where some of the American designs (including the Safari Classics and 550 Tactical lines of rifles) are built. They also own Dan Wesson Firearms, based out of Norwich, New York; they do all their manufacturing in-house, as well.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Britain currently has a scandal of mass child rape at football club coaching units. Now the sheeple are told that they were naive and unaware of 'child abuse risks' in the 1990s, so it is their fault. Funny cos during the terrible child abuse scandals of the 1960s, then 1970s, then 1980s (all at facilities run or encouraged by the British government), the people at the time were told their kids were making FALSE ACCUSATIONS, then decades later when the abuse was admitted, the same sheeple were told it was their fault for being naive and unaware about child abuse risks at the time.
It is a proven FACT that both the Clinton monsters prefered to spend their social time with convicted child mass rapists- mass rapists who provided children for the sexual use of their guests- and their guests included the Clintons. Clinton's closest advisors had emails leaked that clearly used coded language to refer to child abuse. To cover this up, state actors (using outlets like 4chan) began a campaign of a type known as 'poisoning the well'- in other words subverting true evidence by conflating it with wild nonsense.
In the UK, the most powerful Jew, Greville Janner, (now burning in hell or rotting in Israel) was the head of the British Board of Jewish deputies as well as a Member of Parliament. He was an active cheer-leader for every Israeli atrocity in Palestine, Syria, Lebanon and Iran. He was also a lifelong pedophile- using his 'hobby' as a magician to get close to the young boy children he desired. His closest friends in his home city of leicester were some of the worst State employed child abusers in Britain's history (Google Frank Beck- but be warned you'll throw up). Though witnesses made complaints about Jenner all across his career, they were dismissed in just the same way as the abuse by Clinton and her mates is being dismissed today. Jenner, like Clinton, had the back of Israel, and powerful Friends of Israel in the media had his back. The owners of Slashdot are just part of this circle.
'Fake news' is another word for FACTS the owners of Slashdot don't want you sheeple knowing about!
The nutjobs may be taking it seriously, but we shouldn't take the nutjobs seriously. It would be a waste of time to address them, they would never believe it anyway.
Eat the rich.
Just sayin', when people say they saw a UFO, the g-man comes out and says "no it's just swamp gas reflecting off a weather balloon." Podesta and the people connected to him exhibit very strange behavior and there's no explanation except "FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS!!!" If someone can't come up with a better explanation for their behavior and communications then it'll never end.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Comical, in a sad "I know nothing about firearms therefore I make fun of people who do" way, but you lost it with the huge error in the third paragraph.
Literally none of the story is true. Not only did the whole thing start as an online hoax by pranksters, but the images in the supposed Instagram are from people who "liked" the pizza restaurant's page. None of the "FBI charts of code words" are from the FBI. None of the information that the #pizzagate morons point to is true. It is 100% false.
Here is a comprehensive, detailed rundown with citations on the history of this hoax and whether a single fact or assertion about pizzagate has been proven true or is possible to be proven true:
http://www.snopes.com/pizzagat...
The fact that we need a "comprehensive, detailed rundown with citations " in order to recognize that this is complete and utter bullshit is why we have failed as a society.
oldhack: "Security is a waste of money until shit hits the fan. 5 minutes later, it becomes waste of money again. "
Fraudian slip?
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Fake news can have lots of different motivations.
-- It can be satire or parody, like the Onion.
So, out of curiosity, what do you call fake news that turns out to be amazingly accurate? http://www.theonion.com/articl...
Seriously. Read it and get chills about the nature of reality.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
See, if you actually want to debunk this, these are the questions you have to answer. These are the claims you have to shoot down.
WTF? I was mildly interested in this story and looked at the facts. None of the "facts" lead to anything terribly interesting. I am reminded of the (supposed?) words of Cardinal Richelieu: If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.
It is up to YOU to provide proof that YOUR interpretation of the facts is real. There are no facts like actual children disappearing or reporting things to the police. There are no facts like pictures of people doing bad things to children. There are no facts at all that directly support this theory in any way. It is all grasping at possible interpretations and running with them. Until YOU can show that YOUR interpretation has something real behind it, this is a fake news story.
No wonder you are anonymous.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
It is completely irrelevant whether conspiracies exist or not, what matters is whether you base your beliefs on solid evidence or not. If you don't base you're beliefs on actual, solid, reliable corroborating evidence, then the chances that your beliefs converge to the truth and that you will ever uncover even just a single real conspiracy will go against zero. That's the difference between an investigative journalist and some conspiracy nut, the journalist will look for actual proof and evidence rather than reading bullshit on blogs from clueless idiots. Sure, there are real conspiracies, but not a single conspiracy theorist has ever uncovered one.
Interesting things to note about this incident:
The suspect in custody is an actor, and has an IMDB page.
The traffic camera(s) that covers the street and intersection where this incident happened were removed/moved one day before the incident.
Almost every article covering this story appeared online hours before the event ever took place. The Washington Post reported that the incident happened around 3pm on December 4th. How is it then that everyone from Anandtech to Above Top Secret on to Democratic Underground and The Gateway Pundit had their article times listed in Google as being posted up to 20 hrs before The Washington Post article on the same day this event took place?
A 4chan user from the UK made a post claiming an incident such as this was going to be reported as happening in a post dated November 30th.
@Mindless Drivel: 100% of Twitter posts ever Tweeted.
Second, an "assault rifle" is a class of weapon that is capable of burst and/or fully automatic fire.
Just to be pedantic, IIRC, an "assault rifle" is a class of weapon that is capable of selective fire and fires a cut down rifle round which results in a shorter range and less stopping power but allows soldiers to carry more ammo. There are pistols with selective fire, and guns that fire a full battle rifle round with selective fire, such as the BAR, are usually classified as light machine guns. Probably just overlooked as unimportant in the discussion but the ability to carry more ammo and less need of long range and stopping power was critical to the change in tactics that lead to the development of assault rifles.
Are you being paid for writing these nut posts? Just being curious.
This time, but often these guys are found to be registered Democrats.
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Who happened to walk into a business and shoot because he was goaded on by GOP propaganda spread not just by random trolls, but party leaders. The Republican party has a real mess on its hands. This will not end well.
it wasn't the GOP that baited the bear;
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Pizzagate isn't fake news, it's a conspiracy theory, meaning that this is fake news. I haven't seen any news outlets do anything but discredit the theory and call the people who believe it lunatics.
My DI called it an Assault Rifle one, actually he said "This is the M16A1 Assault Rifle" circa 1973, Drill Sergeant Billy Marten, same name as the Detroit Tiger's Manager.
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If we all agree that de-institutionalizing the mentally ill was a mistake, can we skip the blaming step and just come up with the money to at least get us back to the state things were before that time when it happened due to nobody's fault? And since we all agree that "it" is a good idea, there shouldn't be a problem paying for it, right?
The problem is not so much the costs, but in turning back the legal clock, so to speak, and removing rights from the mentally ill. That's a big hurdle and one with many pitfalls and dangers. If taken too far, those people who are merely 'odd', 'unique' or who hold 'unusual' ideological or political beliefs, suffer an isolated bout of depression, temporary PTSD, see a therapist, etc etc could find themselves in a rubber room under heavy sedation. The USSR routinely locked political dissidents away in mental wards.
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
How about the little girl taped to a table?
Boy, there's a ton of pedophiles in the world!!....or maybe taping someone up is a pretty common prank.
Some of the things, like #chickenlover or cheese pizza = CP are from established slang definitions that can be found on sites like urban dictionary which long predate any of this.
And until you actually have evidence of pedophilia, it's idiotic to not use their "common" definition.
But I find this argument ironic when we talk about dog whistle politics so much.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes it isn't.
And yes, I specifically decided to use that object, because it's a dogwhistle. Do you notice how little careful parsing and "what he really meant was...." was required to notice it?
Apparently you can't read either, or not very well. Do you need me to break down the stats and use criminology to explain why my point was correct? Or do you want to learn on your own, I suggest the latter. It's an interesting field of science.
In August of 2015 the Post zeroed in on unarmed black men, who the paper said were seven times more likely than unarmed white men to die by police gunfire. The article noted that 24 of the 60 âoeunarmedâ deaths up to that date â" some 40 percent â" were of black men, helping to explain "why outrage continues to simmer a year after Ferguson." By yearâ(TM)s end, there were 36 unarmed black men (and two black women) and 31 unarmed white men (and one white woman) among the total 987 victims. The rate at which unarmed black men were more likely than unarmed white men to die by police gunfire had dropped, but was still six-to-one.
But the numbers donâ(TM)t tell the whole story. It is worth looking at the specific cases included in the Postâ(TM)s unarmed victim classification in some detail, since that category is the most politically explosive. The âoeunarmedâ label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officerâ(TM)s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. And two individuals included in the Postâ(TM)s âoeunarmed black victimsâ category were struck by stray bullets aimed at someone else in justified cop shootings. If the victims were not the intended targets, then racism could have played no role in their deaths.
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Believe it's pretty much been just Crowdstrike, and they blame everything on the Russians (unless another party is more convenient). Meanwhile, Clapper says they don't have good evidence of a link to Russia.
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Makes you wonder how many more of those (armed) airheads are out there...
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Not sure if you are trolling, but OK I will assume that was an honest question:
Total crime and mass shootings by crazy people are not the same thing. Fully 50% of all mass murders committed in the US were done by mentally ill in 2013, despite being only 11% of the population (excluding depression). The US rates of involuntary commitment for mentally ill people is far below that of other modern nations i.e. EU etc.
https://www.hsaj.org/articles/...
Total crime is down because of 3 strikes laws, lifetime incarceration of habitual criminals, record high gun ownership, castle doctrine laws, etc. Dead or incarcerated criminals do not commit crimes. Most crime is still committed by people because they chose to, for a myriad of reasons, not because of mental health issues.
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You mean Korean Central Television? Because that's how far you'd have to travel to find a controlling left wing media. Here in the U.S., it's hard core neocon neoliberal horsefuckery all day long, all day strong.
Then you're an idiot, unless you're talking about the Black Panthers, who only got guns for self-defense from the police state. You know, something NRA ammosexuals should have been 1010% behind, if they weren't completely full of crap.
" You're more likely to be shot by police if you're white while carrying a weapon. It's in all the crime stats you'd care to look at. " That's what you said, but even your quoted text from the article says nothing about this. It only talks about being unarmed white or black. So what are you smoking?
https://www.nraila.org/article... Just look up Hillary gun control executive order.
I was talking specifically about the CZ75 he bought.
Then, perhaps, you should have said "that CZ" or "the CZ 75", in which case you would have been correct. However, you simply said "CZ", which was, as proven above, incorrect.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
I would like to see ACTUAL evidence of Russian involvement instead of people who have an interest in parroting Dem/Establishment talking points doing so. I didn't forget the lessons we learned from the war in Iraq, where the government and those close to them lied to us. Powerful people will perpetuate bullshit lies, and yet Clapper, who was willing to tell a bald faced lie about surveillance, won't even give real support for the Russian conspiracy the Dems concocted. The closest thing I've seen to evidence is that the Guccifer leaks had some metadata suggesting a Russian language computer was involved in editing, and they had a scary soviet username.
There's no need for Kremlin involvement. Podesta is a tech moron, as are most of the people surrounding the Clintons.
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Details of the specific evidence they have of Russian involvement, so it can be evaluated by truly independent security experts. That's where the conversation tends to go to handwaving about national security, state secrets, etc., and insistence that I should just trust them. I don't trust anything our government says any more than I would trust anything the Russian or Chinese government says.
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I want every forensic detail they have. IP addresses, any kind of 'fingerprints' left behind. Basically, I want enough information for someone like Bruce Schneier to be able to look at it and confirm, yes, it was the Russians.
Because it's a lot less work to say "Russia did it" than to forge extensive forensic evidence. The more extensive the ruse, the more difficult it is to pull off. Plus, some of those forensic details could possibly be independently confirmed. For example, we know that the email about Donna Brazille sending Clinton a debate question on the death penalty is legitimate because we have DKIM verification.
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It would be a good start. So far, all he's claimed is "preponderance of evidence" to support Crowdstrike's claims, although it would appear that he's just getting a second or third-hand analysis. I would want him to be able to directly review evidence.
He's also framing such attacks as 'standard political espionage,' acknowledging political and technological realities. They are high value targets with low security. We spy on Merkel, and she's an ally. I definitely believe that the Russian government probably tried and likely succeeded in attacking these targets. Same for Chinese government, independent hackers from China and Russia, and bored 4channers. That's why I want to see a more detailed analysis, because I don't believe for a second that any of those servers and accounts were only compromised once.
There's a lot more to building a conspiracy than money. There's plenty of people and politics involved, and the more involved the plot, the more likely it is to unravel. That's what I hate about many conspiracy theorists. They've got to concoct some elaborate scheme of planting explosives in the WTC and also hijacking 4 planes instead of Cheney calling up Bin Laden and calling in the attack. Likewise, it's a lot easier to call in some political favors to get some finger pointing done than it is to craft compelling forensic evidence in a relatively short time. The War in Iraq was a much easier job with a lot of money to be made, but they were quite lazy in retrospect about the evidence they used.
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