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'Superbug' Resistant To 26 Antibiotics Kills A Patient In Nevada (upi.com)
An anonymous reader quotes UPI:
A Nevada woman in her 70s who'd recently returned from India died in September from a "superbug" infection that resisted all antibiotics, according to a report released Friday... The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "basically reported that there was nothing in our medicine cabinet to treat this lady," report co-author Dr. Randall Todd told the Reno Gazette-Journal. He's director of epidemiology and public health preparedness for the Washoe County Health District, in Reno... CDC testing subsequently revealed the germ was New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase -- a highly resistant form of CRE typically found outside the United States.
Stay out of the river... it's nasty.
Our species has been over-using antibiotics for decades as if they were a magic wand. Meanwhile, evolution has been weeding out the week, leaving stronger survivors all the time. Now we shall pay for our foolishness.
Years ago I knew a girl who was a fellow student in high school.
She took a trip to India and came in contact with some awful pathogen which
proceeded to destroy multiple organs and resulted in her death, despite the
best available medical care in the US.
India is still a filthy third world country, with raw sewage flowing in the streams and rivers.
Given how many good, interesting, and quite safe places there are to travel in the world, you'd
have to wonder why people want to go to a shithole like India.
...have been warning us for decades and nobody cared to listen.
Enjoy your new wave of death, humanity.
> a highly resistant form of CRE typically found outside the United States
You mean, WAS typically found outside the USA. How many people did she pass this on to before she took to her bed?
Time to start remembering how infection was controlled in the 30s and 40s before antibiotics came along. People from that generation were really keen on (a) quarantining, (b) keeping hospitals spotless and (c) cleaning even the smallest wound with iodine in alcohol. I still recall the stinging pain.
Love the India bashing here. But can anyone say that it's a phenomenon thats unique to india? High population with lack of rules and regulations is what gets things like these going. Just something to keep in mind as we also practice the 'get govt out of my life' mentality while our own population increases.
Worst food poisoning I ever had was from a Hard Rock Cafe. By your logic, the US will only be safe when purged of Americans.
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People in India are mostly hindoes, not Muslims. Most muslims went to Pakistan after the former Brittish India became independent and hostilities broke out between hindos and muslims.
Indians are mostly Hindu, not Muslim.
I'm sure the distinction is lost on most Trump supporters.
Most distinctions are lost on Trump supporters.
It's how they roll.
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Industrial meat farmers in the US (and other countries) use literally tons of antibiotics to improve "yields". This leads to resistant strains of bacteria which are passed to humans. Use in chickens and pigs is particularly problematic because of the large amount of antibiotics and the widespread distribution. Most chicken you buy in the store is contaminated with drug resistant bacteria.
Just say no to antibiotic treated animals.
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The reality is that most resistant strains of bacteria originate from antibiotics abuse, and the biggest abusers of antibiotics are third world countries and those who raise livestock. Normal un-resistant bacteria are actually more healthy vital and will grow and displace resistant strains because resistant strains are typically resistant due to the fact that they are missing receptors or features that antibiotics use to kill the bacteria. Those same features allow normal bacteria to be stronger and multiply faster than the resistant strains.
What the doctors and scientists are only recently realizing is that the way to deal with resistant strains is that we must crack down on antibiotics abuse in these two areas globally, and greatly step up and enforce the use of post-antibiotic use of un-resistant probiotics, replenishing the healthy, easy to kill bacteria in people and farm animals which then come out in their waste/manure/fertilizer or sometimes on the meat/eggs/milk etc. and spread from there.
I recall reading about a river in India where a pharmaceutical had been illegally dumping waste antibiotics and something like 90% of all bacteria tested in the river were resistant. The solution, after stopping the pollution, should have been to seed the river with a continuous stream of healthy un-resistant bacteria, and over time (maybe a year) the healthy, un-resistant bacteria would supplant the resistant strains 99% of the time, greatly reducing the odds of exposure to a resistant strain. We are just now discovering that regular old soil bacteria have over 40 different methods of killing off resistant bacteria that are completely new to us. We can and will convert some into new antibiotics, but we must learn from the past and minimize the spread of resistant strains of bacteria now by spreading as much as possible the un-resistant strains which will in turn supplant the resistant strains we have fostered around the globe with minimal additional human intervention.
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Bingo. There is almost no point trying to limit excess human use of antibiotics beyond current efforts, when agriculture is using them wildly. In this case, the disease is resistant to antibiotics that are mainly used for agriculture. So the problem is definitely agricultural antibiotics.
CDC testing subsequently revealed the germ was New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase -- a highly resistant form of CRE
It should at least read "revealed the germ CONTAINED New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase". NDM-1 is not a bacteria, it's an enzyme possessed by resistant bacteria that inactivates antibiotics.
What's really fun is that this gene can potentially be transferred to other types of bacteria laterally...
Lately I've been reading how various doctors are defeating superbugs using viruses taken from the wild to attack antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Considering how the majority of the doctors mentioned were acting independently and unaffiliated with any major institutions, it seems more focus should be put on this approach than merely looking for better drugs.
There's approximately 138 million Muslims in India. Yes, most Muslims left for East or West Pakistan at the time. East Pakistan is now Bangladesh.
So, while yes, most Indians are Hindus, 138 million Muslims is still 10% of the pop. of India.
Please try to keep up to date.
When people breed animals, they are artificially selecting for their own desired traits. When they use antibiotics, they are in effect selecting for antibiotic resistant strains.
You'd think farmers would get the picture as well or better than others.....
Earlier this year Harvard Medical School posted this video showing a bacteria mutating over the course of 11 days until it is resistant to the anti-bacterial they used. 11 days!
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Industrial meat production uses more than 10 times the amount of antibiotics as human use.
Human antibiotic use for the common cold, etc. is a problem but not nearly as bad as farm animal use.
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> Just FYI, Indians hate Muslims.
Who doesn't? Even muslims hate muslims (sunni vs. shia).
yes India has terrible controls on their antibiotic use, but remember that US farmers are using large amounts of antibiotics too keep their overcrowded livestock from dying too soon.
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While slightly simplistic, he wasn't wrong. How does it feel to lose an argument with someone who can't spell 3rd grade terms?
By your logic, the US will only be safe when purged of Americans.
Given recent events, that very well might be true...
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"Just FYI, Indians hate Muslims."
That's not possible. Only white people can be racist. Everyone else on the world exhales fairy dust.
Guns don't kill people, Americans do.
> Until we make use of anti-biotics in agriculture an international crime
You can't have a cheap burger or cheap poultry without antibiotics, so this will not happen.
Just an FYI, many Indians ARE Muslims.
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He's actually got the strangest record of managing to say a mix of both really interesting and really stupid statements, which is why I set his friend/neutral/foe setting for me as friend.
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but according to TFA, the woman acquired the bug while in India - a country with the highest percentage of vegetarians in the world. This would suggest basic sanitation and health care, and being sure to complete prescription antibiotic regimens are bigger factors than the use of antibiotics in livestock.
According to this article,
Antibiotics are readily available over the counter at most pharmacies leading to widespread overuse.
He also cited poor public health practices, unsanitary living conditions, and increasing use of antibiotics for growth promotion in poultry as factors that contribute to the diminishing powers of antibiotics in India. With continued use of the drugs or their misuse, bacteria evolve into stronger forms that are resistant to antibiotics.
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Sorry, forgot to add the link to the article
https://thinkprogress.org/indi...
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28.8 rate of vegetarianism then? I don't think you realize the remainder population in India that consumes meat is therefore about twice the population of the US. Now couple that with the fact that the country is maybe half the size of the US and you can be assured that they are pumping those animals up with anything that will make them grow faster (to make up for lack of grazing space) at rate minimum to that of America's worst offenders.
With that said a bit less than 80% of all antibiotics sold in this country are sold to the meat industry. http://www.politifact.com/trut... (An odd source, yes but it was easy and they did their research well enough for my standards)
Given these facts I dont see how you can come to your conclusion.
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The problem is the 26 antibiotics all work the same way. Given that the gene in question encodes an enzyme which blocks that process, you don't have to administer all 26 to know that none of them will work.
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Whatever, evolution is a lie. God made new kinds of viruses to punish the non beliebers.
You know, even if there weren't real people who actually think this way this comment still wouldn't be funny.
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I couldn't see if they tried ionic metals such as silver and copper. Or ozone.
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I have to wonder what people think happens on a farm. I grew up on a farm where we had pigs and dairy cattle. We gave the animals antibiotics, but it was rare.
For the pigs we'd give them a shot of antibiotics when we'd get a batch of new pigs in. A pig's life is short, less than a year, and they'd typically get one shot of antibiotics in their life. Pigs cost money, so do antibiotics, so the job of a pig farmer is to balance those costs. Penicillin is cheap but not free. If a pig got sick then it might get another shot. If it got real sick then it got a different kind of shot, as in from a rifle. The carcass of a pig like that could not be sold for meat but the leather was valuable, for a while at least. At some point the rendering truck stopped picking up the dead pigs for free and started to charge for the service, that's when Dad started to just bury them. Any pigs sold for meat are tested for antibiotics. I'm not sure what happened if they tested positive but Dad would make sure that any pig given a shot would not go to market until enough time has passed for the antibiotics to get out of their system.
The dairy cattle would also typically get one shot of antibiotics in their life, when they'd get dehorned. This was because they were at risk of infection at this point until the wound healed over. Any cattle given antibiotics recently were not able to be sold for meat, and they are also tested like the pigs. Any cow given antibiotics while milking had the milk discarded until the antibiotics were out of their system. Milk was also regularly tested for antibiotics. If antibiotics were found in the milk this would mean the milk was discarded. Since the milk of an entire herd was put in the same tank a single cow testing positive would contaminate thousands of gallons of milk. I remember having to do this before, Dad was pissed since that meant not getting money for that milk.
Here's the thing, antibiotics are necessary. I thought it funny too on how much farmers rely on antibiotics if it upset so many people. I saw the value in the Army. When going through in processing I got an antibiotic shot, as did everyone else in the company. It turns out that when you put a lot of living and breathing beings in an enclosed space, be they recruits in a barracks or pigs in a shed, they tend to get sick. I still ended up getting a pretty nasty lung infection while in the Army, they gave me a potent antibiotic that made me sensitive to the sun. I got the worst sunburn in my life then.
Just say no to antibiotic treated animals.
If you don't like it then go ahead and buy your "organic" meat or go vegan. I know what farmers do to get animals to market and if these animals weren't treated for infections then meat gets real expensive due to losses. Quality would go down too because healthy animals make tasty meat. Since so many people in this world seem able to eat this meat and live well I'm trying to figure out what the problem is exactly.
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Never got popular because it's harder than a pill and so no one puts the effort in to get it past the FDA
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Further, the person is probably a polytheist in the ilk of ancient Roman's or Greek's. He just meant "Gods", so it was a typo...
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1) You pay a SHITLOAD for your medical bills in the USA, so you INSIST that you get your money's worth. If it had been a national health service, you would have wanted to somewhat reduce the cost and not insisted on "something" being done. So the quickest way to shut you up (the general "you") is to give you pills and send you out happy. That does increase the cost, and ensures that simple medicines can command a high price: the doctor doesn't have to pay for them,neither do you, and you whine about increased insurance, but you have to buy it anyway. Or your employer (temporarily) does as part of your employment.
2) There's money giving out medicine. Even where there's a national health service and single payer, more is spent on wining and dining the doctors (IOW marketing) to "inform them" of the latest and best drugs on the market. So the doctor is bombarded with adverts. And they're no less prone to being brainwashed than anyone else.
3) You can't have 1 day off sick without it coming out of your "time bank", already tiny, which means an unscheduled "holiday". So taking a treatment is of great benefit to you. Your employer wants you in and working, even if you're still sick, because you are a measure of the managers' ability to manage, and the only metric they have to measure your performance that can't be refuted.
It also shows why Zika got a cure toot sweet in the west: the wealthy bastards didn't want to see themselves dead.
There's more to it than that. If the laboratory and the researchers are far away from the disease you can hardly expect a viable cure to be developed quickly. There's only so much you can do with a field laboratory.
Of course, DDT hasn't been BANNED banned, just the idiotic use for widespread copspraying has been banned, which it had never been authorised for in the first place, though that didn't stop idiots doing it that way anyway.
I don't know about that. DDT basically eliminated malaria from southern Europe, including Italy. The cure was basically to drain the swamps and spray DDT everywhere. But good luck try to implement that in 3rd world countries. You would get Greenpeace and other greenie envir-wackos saying that you need to preserve the swamp to the detriment of the human population. Why don't they just go live there... I suspect they would change their tune rather quickly.
I avoid 3rd world cesspools like India. It still needs a lot of basic sanitation improvements and it's ridden with malaria and other tropical diseases. Even things like dysentery and cholera.
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When going through in processing I got an antibiotic shot, as did everyone else in the company. It turns out that when you put a lot of living and breathing beings in an enclosed space, be they recruits in a barracks or pigs in a shed, they tend to get sick.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to put up a few walls in barracks than to compromise everyone's immune and digestive systems by giving them antibiotics whether they need them or not?
How do you know that was actually an antibiotic shot? You don't, because when you enlist you give up your right to refuse injections, or to know what they contain. Sheeple.
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People in India use antibiotics for EVERYTHING. Headache? Take antibiotic. Bad eyesight? Antibiotic. Bad marriage? take antibiotic. Antibiotics are cheap and people there don't know any better. They're creating horrible superbugs there because they *are* overusing antibiotics. The people here complaining about the U.S. overusing antibiotics are making a pointless argument: The bug was gotten in India, not the U.S. (though yes, there are superbugs here, but that's n ot the point of the article).
Also, this is one reason to keep up the CDC: If that superbug finds a way into the U.S. we could get well and truly fucked, and it's the CDC's job to help ensure stuff like this stays contained and doesn't contaminate the rest of the population.
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The type of farm you're describing barely exists anymore. Industrial farming is the rule now, and they do use antibiotics (and growth hormones, and everything) is vast quantities.
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I think you may have misunderstood the argument. The concern isn't that humans are getting antibiotics into their system from meat or dairy, the concern is that the animals themselves provide an environment in which antibiotic-resistant bacteria can grow.
Do you have any evidence of this? If the pigs didn't get their shot on coming into the confinement building then a lot of them would get sick, we know this. Sick pigs cost money. Dead pigs cost even more money.
Farmers get it from all sides, if they give the pigs antibiotics then they are breeding "superbugs", if they don't then they are abusing the animals by not keeping them healthy. Which is it? Antibiotics or a bunch of dead pigs from a common lung infection?
Raw meat with resistant bacteria can spread it around a kitchen (using antibacterial soap will only make the problem worse--killing off the competition), and then accidentally cutting yourself while preparing food can lead to life threatening illness.
Cook your meat, be careful with a knife, and generally take care with your food.
You think that modern farmers don't know about the risks of a "superbug"? Of course they do. They also know that without this stuff we'd see a lot more sick people. There is a lot of care in making sure our food it safe to eat. This is often taken to extremes, costing farmers a lot of money for a minor risk.
The need to keep the antibiotics out of the meat and milk is precisely the kind of precautions taken to keep "superbugs" out of the food supply.
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Prove it. Farmers today are college educated and they are taught how to manage illness in herds. Overuse of antibiotics is a known problem. Meat inspectors will look for sick animals and not allow them into the food supply. Too many sick animals, antibiotics in meat or milk, and a farmer risks losing their license to sell product.
Did you even know you need a license to sell milk? There are inspectors that know about the problem of "superbugs" and they look for bad practices that can breed them. One thing inspectors look for is how antibiotics are used.
Again, show me how antibiotics are abused. I admit that my knowledge of how a farm is run could be out of date. Dad was one of the last of his kind, he ran a farm without even a high school education. Today farmers are college educated, they tend to study animal science like Gov. Rick Perry did. Among those classes they'll take is "meat safety" which Perry famously got a "D" grade in. People laugh at how Perry got a poor grade in a class on "meat" but this is serious stuff. It's these college educated farmers that make the tasty tasty bacon I love. I'm not going to second guess their use of antibiotics, just like they aren't likely to second guess my choice of compilers. We each have our specializations, I'm staying in mine and perhaps you need to stay in yours.
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I got something at the gym which resisted every OTC anti-fungal.
The doctor finally prescribed me something for it that killed it.
Fungi are creepy because they live on you as a food supply like you are walking dirt.
If you get enough and have a fungal bloom tho, they can kill you quickly.
Likewise, medicating a bad infestation too aggressively results in a toxin overload and can kill you.
I quit the gym when I got a second fungal infection about six months later that was also resistant (I was able to use the prescribed stuff to kill it).
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
This sounds like a case where the infection may have had a reservoir in the bone, where it would have been hard for any form of treatment to wipe it out completely. Normal bacteria restoration seems like it should be a useful thing, but probably not relevant in this case.
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If antibiotics fail, the decades of Soviet research (pre and post-wall Georgia in particular) into bacteriophages may prove to be humanities' savior.
Have a nasty superbug that antibiotics can't treat? Somewhere out there are equally evil viruses that love to hunt and eat that specific type of bacterium, leaving the host untouched.
Discovering and curating them may be crucial in the near future.
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The problem is while you might be able to edit the gene on a local culture/colony in a lab, there's no way to spread it. In the end it's spreading via natural selection because it selects bacteria that live (due to being antibiotic resistant).
Since bacteria reproduce through binary fission, the bacteria with the knocked out/altered gene won't have a good way of spreading the change. And even if they did, it probably wouldn't replace the active gene.
Just to be clear, your experience growing up on a farm is vastly different from today's commercial farming practices. Both my father and grandfather grew up on farms. My grandfather in his old age related to me a story where he had visited a commercial farm late in his life. He was shocked at the conditions that the animals were kept in, and where before he had been frustrated at the sterilization and sanitation required by state laws, he said that after he saw that literal shit hole, he realized that commercial farms were why the laws existed, because they keep their animals in conditions that no family farm would ever dream of subjecting their animals to, whether it be dairy cows, chickens or pigs.
Part of the solution is to prevent importing animal products from antibiotics abusing countries and forcing hygienic practices at all farms, instead of hosing down the feed every morning with antibiotics. Will meat go up in price? Yes, some, but it is a small price to pay for not having 20% of the world population die from some super strain of pneumonia that is resistant to everything...
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Prove it.
There is a misunderstanding here. They aren't talking about antibiotics used to treat animals for infection. Your knowledge is out-of-date here. Let me explain:
Commercial farms buy feed with antibiotics *in the feed itself*. They aren't doing it to treat disease, they are doing it because the antibiotics make the animals grow fatter, faster. I don't think it is entirely understood why. These people aren't "farmers" in the way that you describe farmers. These are heavily mechanised factories.
There's tons of articles on this topic. Try Scientific American for a start, since they cover the whole history of it. Searches for "antibiotics chicken feed" should yield some good results.
Or that the instant coffee that I drink for free at work isn't brown-colored urine.
It might as well be.
Either go full blown paranoid or stop complaining about things just because you don't personally agree with them and pretending you have some other reason.
The apparently paranoid part there is really not central to the main topic here, I just threw it in for fun. It's true, but let's put that aside for now. The main issue is that overuse of antibiotics is a problem already. Solving problems with drugs instead of actually addressing root causes only causes other problems.
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And if she'd gone back to (or stayed in) India, she'd've been cured in a day. There's a lot of shit the FDA doesn't approve, and even more things drug companies won't both with because they can't patent it, and/or they can't make billions off of it.
Note the part of the CDC report that mentions it being reported in 28 or some such number of states. In the United States.
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Was your farm a large scale cattle/pig feedlot? Because those are typically run a lot differently than smaller family farms. For instance, cattle in feedlots are often given feed with antibiotics in it, as a disease prevention measure.
For example:
http://www.hubbardfeeds.com/product/chlorotetracycline-ctc-crumbles
I grew up on a farm as well, and have been around agriculture through relatives most my life. I know from experience that not many farmers follow labels very closely. Not finishing a full course of antibiotics, etc.. Just like some dumb parents do to their kids, giving them a single antibiotic pill from the cupboard from time to time when they get a cold.
The wise use of antibiotics is not a substitute for, but a complement to, good sanitation and husbandry practices.
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If you don't like it then go ahead and buy your "organic" meat or go vegan. I know what farmers do to get animals to market and if these animals weren't treated for infections then meat gets real expensive due to losses. Quality would go down too because healthy animals make tasty meat.
1. Meat needs to become more expensive in my opinion. If you care about the environment and human health.
2. Quality does not go down. The opposite. I'd put up any of the free-range organic beef I buy against any feedlot beef any day of the year. 100% guarantee that the expensive beef I buy is much better quality than any of the corn-fed feedlot beef.