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Google Conducted Hollywood 'Interventions' To Change Look of Computer Scientists (usatoday.com)
theodp writes: Most TV computer scientists are still white men," USA Today reports. "Google wants to change that. Google is calling on Hollywood to give equal screen time to women and minorities after a new study the internet giant funded found that most computer scientists on television shows and in the movies are played by white men. The problem with the hackneyed stereotype of the socially inept, hoodie-clad white male coder? It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science, says Daraiha Greene, Google CS in Media program manager, multicultural strategy." According to a Google-funded study conducted by Prof. Stacy L. Smith and the Media, Diversity, & Social Change Initiative at the USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism, Google's Computer Science in Media team conducted "CS interventions" with "like-minded people" to create "Google influenced storytelling." The executive summary for a USC study entitled Cracking the Code: The Prevalence and Nature of Computer Science Depictions in Media notes that "Google influenced" TV programs include HBO's Silicon Valley and AMC's Halt and Catch Fire. The USC researchers also note that "non-tech focused programs may offer prime opportunities to showcase CS in unique and counter-stereotypical ways. As the Google Team moves forward in its work with series such as Empire, Girl Meets World, Gortimer Gibbons Life on Normal Street, or The Amazing Adventures of Gumball, it appears the Team is seizing these opportunities to integrate CS into storytelling without a primary tech focus." The study adds, "In the case of certain series, we provided on-going advisement. The Fosters, Miles from Tomorrowland, Halt and Catch Fire, Ready, Jet, Go, The Powerpuff Girls and Odd Squad are examples of this. In addition to our continuing interactions, we engaged in extensive PR and marketing support including social media outreach, events and press."
Google's TV interventions have even spilled over into public education -- one of Google-sponsored Code.org's signature Hour of Code tutorials last December was Gumball's Coding Adventure, inspired by the Google-advised Cartoon Network series, The Amazing Adventures of Gumball. "We need more students around the world pursuing an education in CS, particularly girls and minorities, who have historically been underrepresented in the field," explains a Google CS First presentation for educators on the search giant's Hour of Code partnership with Cartoon Network. "Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists and the relevance of the field beyond coding." According to a 2015 USC report, President Obama was kept abreast of efforts to challenge media's stereotypical portrayals of women; White House Visitor Records show that USC's Smith, the Google-funded study's lead author, and Google CS Education in Media Program Manager Julie Ann Crommett (now at Disney) were among those present when the White House Council on Women and Girls met earlier that year with representatives of the nation's leading toy makers, media giants, retailers, educators, scientists, the U.S. Dept. of Education, and philanthropists.
Google's TV interventions have even spilled over into public education -- one of Google-sponsored Code.org's signature Hour of Code tutorials last December was Gumball's Coding Adventure, inspired by the Google-advised Cartoon Network series, The Amazing Adventures of Gumball. "We need more students around the world pursuing an education in CS, particularly girls and minorities, who have historically been underrepresented in the field," explains a Google CS First presentation for educators on the search giant's Hour of Code partnership with Cartoon Network. "Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists and the relevance of the field beyond coding." According to a 2015 USC report, President Obama was kept abreast of efforts to challenge media's stereotypical portrayals of women; White House Visitor Records show that USC's Smith, the Google-funded study's lead author, and Google CS Education in Media Program Manager Julie Ann Crommett (now at Disney) were among those present when the White House Council on Women and Girls met earlier that year with representatives of the nation's leading toy makers, media giants, retailers, educators, scientists, the U.S. Dept. of Education, and philanthropists.
" The problem with the hackneyed stereotype of the socially inept, hoodie-clad white male coder? It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science.."
So it's not INACCURATE, just uninspiring.
Because *everything* needs to be about achieving purported social justice agendas?
-Styopa
At least make it consistent with reality and either put in a Chinese undergrad or underpaid Indian dude.
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i dont see many white males represented in rap videos. i guess that is the reason that there is a under representation of white males in rap. we should start a change.org petition demanding that white males be equally represented in rap videos in order to grow the number of white males in rap
See: Before Barbie's Brainy Makeover, Mattel Execs Met With White House, Google
i dont see many white males represented in the nfl. i guess that is the reason that there is a under representation of white males in the nfl. we should start a change.org petition demanding that white males be equally represented in the nfl in order to grow the number of white males in the nfl
According to a 2015 USC report, President Obama was kept abreast of efforts to challenge media's stereotypical portrayals of women...
This news piece talks of the absence of male teachers.
I'd like to have an effort targeted to this imbalance too. Google, anyone?
An experiment has been conducted many times where they throw a load of female toys (typically dolls) and male toys (typically trucks) around a monkey enclosure. Every time it is conducted, the female monkeys play with the dolls and the male monkey's play with the trucks. Here's a video of the experiment being carried out on BBC's Horizon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm9xXyw2f7g
The simple fact is, men and women are different and therefore have different interests. The reason women are under-represented in computer science is because most women aren't interested in the subject. It's the same reason men are under-represented in child care - most men have no interest in looking after young children.
What Google are doing is fascist style propaganda that ignores the truth and pushes the party narrative. They then severely punish anyone who questions the narrative.
Google is true evil.
It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science,
Is there a rule that says a person will only be "inspired" by someone who is the same gender that they are and / or has the same colour skin? And if so, why not require them to be the same height, or eye-colour, too.
I find it difficult to accept that women only study physics because they have been "inspired" by a female physicist, or that men would need to have a shining example of a male nurse to "inspire" them into the profession.
And if it is that way, where does that leave all the major religions and their almost all male icons? Should women be almost all atheists if that idea was true.
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
What minorities are you talking about? Indians and other Asians?
When can I get that ticket to Mars?
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When will they start showing pedophiles in good light? You know, not all pedophiles rape and murder kids. In fact, they rarely do.
Why not you?
"The problem with the hackneyed stereotype of the socially inept, hoodie-clad white male coder? It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science..."
Yeah, because Aristotle, Euclid, Pythagoras, Archimedes, Bacon, Newton, Leibniz, and all the groundbreaking mathematicians, scientists and technologists up through Einstein, Turing, Feynman and Berners-Lee took up science and technology because they were inspired by someone they saw on TV.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
"Calling on" Hollywood to tweak the outrageous lies and misrepresentations it churns out may not be as important as it sounds. Garbage is garbage, no matter what colour you paint it.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
I thought this was more of the "accent of evil" effect. Both incarnations (inkhanations?) of Khan have a British accent.
They picked a famous actor with a British accent. Most of them are white.
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
Tho I suppose with a name like Khan, yeah, the character should not be white.
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
Same reason feminists love to talk about how more other women should be coders but don't want to be coders themselves.
I just went DuckDuckGo
You know who else wasn't inspired by stereotypical white nerds wearing hoodies to go into tech?
Me, a fucking white male. I went into tech because I enjoy it, not because of socially retarded idiots on tv.
This line seems to be taken from a document about the movie Hidden Figures.
That "Made with Code" project seems particularly absurd. They're trying to trick girls into learning how to program by making it about clothes and fashion. Feminism seems more intent on reinforcing stereotypes than those they accuse of misogyny.
Professor Frink: I've re-dorkulated!
I mean how many hot bi-sexual women hackers are there? They seem to be very over represented in Hollywoo.
They don't really want the truth about wage slaves in foreign countries working for a small percentage of what they would receive if they were employees instead of contractors.
Or the greed of the companies the "computer scientists" work for, where people have to make the choice of following their beliefs, or aligning with corporate policies of data mining, information sharing and tracking.
They also don't want to show how tightly integrated information companies and government agencies (in way more than just the US) are, and how they work together to repress, suppress and cause the death or incarceration of individuals just because of their beliefs.
I started coding when I was about 15 years because I was in an IRC channel, and I wanted to "hack it:". I googled "how to become a hacker", and the Eric Steven Raymond's guide came up, so I started learning Unix, and shortly after coding. I liked coding so much that I almost never stopped since them, although I did not end up taking a CS major.
How many of you think that they got interested in coding because of Hollywood (legit question)? Do you think a movie could possibly affect such a decision or induce you into having a new passion, or not have it rather?
You mean the average computer scientist can't walk up to an antiquated computer that they have never seen before and use it to break through the security of a bank, corporation, or prison in 30 seconds flat? I am shocked!
This is the Hollywood image of coders that I grew up with.
Have gnu, will travel.
I'm still watching Mr. Robot, despite this stereotype, it's a great show.
Power corrupts.
Back when Google behaved well - text ads, "do no evil", non-commercial search result ranking - they were new, and essentially powerless.
However, Google acquired considerable power consequent to its abandonment of those good behaviors. Corruption breeds more corruption; corruption also breeds power.
It's no surprise that they have now decided to impose social engineering on the population at large. The only remaining question is if the current trend in their behavior will be impacted by any challengers. Doesn't really look like it.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
My older sister went from being able to change an alternator (never what you'd call a 'competent wrench') to not being able to change a tire.
What happened in the interim? She learned to bounce her tits at her boyfriends and have them do the work.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
NCIS has prominently featured a female hacker for more than a decade now. A female hacker who possesses all the same superpowers as every male hacker: she can get through any encryption in as much under 44 minutes as is required to advance the plot.
Warehouse 13 prominently featured a female hacker for very nearly the entirety of its 5 year run, beginning 8 years ago. She didn't exhibit her hacking superpowers nearly as frequently as Abby in NCIS, but Allison Scagliotti made up for it by being improbably beautiful.
Leverage prominently featured a black male hacker for the entirety of its 4 year run, beginning 9 years ago. He too had all the requisite hacking superpowers Hollywood insists on depicting.
Hell, we can go all the way back to Hackers, in 1995, to find a very young Angelina Jolie playing yet another improbably beautiful female hacker. We don't know if she had hacking superpowers because real computers didn't actually appear in that movie, but I'm sure if there were any, she would have.
Other examples are plentiful. In short, Hollywood has been injecting minorities and women into a predominantly white male role for more than a generation, predating even the existence of Google. It doesn't matter. In the face of persistent, even pervasive propaganda for an entire generation, the number of women getting CS degrees has gone down, not up. It's almost as if people object to fake role models routinely doing the impossible, especially when they know damn well that the job is simultaneously boring (to their minds) and insanely complicated, and nothing like what's depicted on TV, because guess what, everybody can use a computer, and nearly everybody has, at least a little, so they know the reality is far different.
Bullshit propaganda is bullshit, and also a demonstrated failure. But you just keep on keepin' on, Google. I'm sure it'll start working. Aaaaany minute now...
(Actually, white males should probably be thanking Google for these efforts. After 25 years of anti-correlation, their propaganda seems to have had the affect of reinforcing their dominance of the field. Want a fake hacker? Hire a pretty girl or a black man. Want your computer fixed? Hire a white man.)
You know when I hear people like Paul Joseph Watson and Infowars as a whole rail about cultural Marxism I mostly just chuckle at it for the comedy that it mostly is. But every so often assholes in the tech industry prove the other crazies correct by their very actions. People at Google are so damn obsessed with diversity of skin ton and genital shape that it's starting to ignore the very concept of Google as a money making company in favor of being a vehicle for social change.
Jesus, Google couldn't get the right mix or woman and the 'correct' kind of racial minority in positions of power by hiring them... so they got people in the media to PRETEND that it's that way?? Actually I aint even mad. I'm just flat out amused at how pathetic both Hollywood and Google is in in this. They want to make sure people doing FAKE HACKING and IT work while say shit like 'I'm rerouting through the firewall with encryption!' Oh man, that's just comedy gold.
I actually tried. Apparently I wasn't 'passionate' enough about teaching. The gatekeepers want it to be a vocation rather than just a job.
As to why other guys don't, it's a thankless low paid job and just an accusation of sexual impropriety can run you out of the profession.
The worst that women have to deal with in IT is variable hygiene standards and some non-PC jokes. (Okay, they have to deal with a bunch of other stuff as well, but they aren't IT specific).
The problem I have with this statement is that it seems equivalent to saying that "girls and underrepresented minorities" are somehow more likely to care what other people think about them if they otherwise did try to pursue a field that they believed was interesting, to such a degree that they will not try to pursue such a field in the first place if they feel that they may be negatively perceived because of it. Of course, one may argue that they are more likely to care about it because of all the other discrimination against them, and I do not wish to be dismissive of such unjust discrimination, but in the end, it still amounts to them caring more about what other people think.
Which, to be blunt... and I hate to sound insensitive here, is really their own effing problem. If the only real thing stopping you from pursuing a field, regardless of what it is, is the fear of what other people are going to think of you if you did, then I'm pretty darn sure that you probably wouldn't be a good fit for that field in the first place.
Find something that you love to do enough that it won't matter what other people are going to think, or else you will never be happy. That much is going to be true for both men and women, and people of all races and demographics.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
That's why all the media lies, stories that sound juicy at first and then are revealed to be bullshit later.
I don't know anyone who agrees with the great-grandparent AC. I wouldn't know anyone who agrees with that. Hell, my great-grandfather didn't agree with the AC either, and he was born in 1897. True, he called black people by the usual colloquial name of the age, but he thought them hard workers in the 1910s and 1920s when he had a canal boat full of people working for him in Florida, dredging the east coast canals.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
There are more men than women with autism.
People on the scale will gravitate to jobs that require less social interaction. Coding is one of those jobs.
People with less social interaction will often say and do things that aren't PC because they don't care that much about what other people think and don't keep up with the latest trends in PC terminology.
That said, if they want to get more people into coding, then there's one really easy thing they can do - pay them more and give them better working conditions. If your company has free on-site childcare, you'll have women beating down your door to get in.
When there's a shortage of lawyers, they don't say 'we need better role models', they say 'to get the best we need to pay the best'.
I'm sure that MS and Google would like to adjust supply and demand so that there's more supply to keep wage demands down, but for the rest of us, offer us 10% more than what we're being paid now and we'll jump ship. And with more money being offered, then more people will consider taking it up as a career choice.
Turner classic movies had two sci-fi classics yesterday: 2001 A Space Odyssey, and Westworld (with Yul Brenner). Re-watched both.
Odyssey was 1968 and Kubrick. Westworld was 1973 and Michael Crichton.
It bothers me now, to see that Odyssey had _zero_ diversity. I was critically looking for anyone, even background cast that just walks past the camera, or is in a shot.
Westworld had diversity. Both as scientific types in the underground control center, as well as being visitors to the leisure worlds.
Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
Well, underpaid _H1B_ Indian contract-worker dudes, it seems. They are the majority staff I see in the IT campus, and data centers, of the confidential national medical services company that I have worked at.
Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
"Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists and the relevance of the field beyond coding."
Funny how no one cared about the stereotypes men would face for being so nerdy/geeky/whatever when computers weren't as profitable or such a big part of society.
I would consider it a major achievement if Hollywood just acknowledged the difference between IT guys, software developers and cyber security specialists. Instead the tube is filled with Felicity Smoaks who alternate among hacking into metropolitan CCTV systems, writing applications to sift and parse through data they've just downloaded from a satellite (that they also hacked into) and re-wiring routers to transmit on a different frequency. These people don't exist in any race or gender in real life.
...people will be like, "Out of nowhere, Google suddenly has financial trouble"
This kind of program is an example of why.
How much money that could have gone to R&D or fiber infrastructure investment has gone into marketing for Google?
I mean, Microsoft is one of the most anti-user companies of all time and they're still around (and actually improving, though they haven't changed their core anti-user villainy). Oracle still gets huge contracts.
But yeah, this is the kind of thing that is a red flag for a company. Rough times ahead.
Thank you Dave Raggett
Why not you?
Maybe he doesn't want to set himself up to being suspected of and then eventually being accused of being a pedophile.
In private the majority of folks don't agree with this SJW shit, but in public they continue to say nothing against it for fear of being accused of everything bad.
"His name was James Damore."
You think you're making a clever point.
But the reality is that *everyone * in the teaching profession already deplores the lack of male teachers and looks for ways to redress the balance. Male and female teachers alike know it's good for the kids to have at least some male teachers. They do everything they can short of actually raising salaries.
Source: my experience as a male teacher, and stories from my mother who was a deputy head.
First...that was 50 years ago. Second, there were three female Russian scientists that Heywood Floyd interacted with. I also count two women in with room with during the briefing at Clavius Base.
Why does it seem like the "news" is dominated by "fake" or "stupid" in various ways? Oh yeah. I seem to have forgotten where the fish started rotting...
The "Don't be evil" fantasy at the google died long ago. I'm pretty sure you just didn't notice until "the last year", and the minor question is "What blinded you?" Maybe your dreams of getting hired by the google died?
The google's primary motto has become "All your attention are belong to us so we can sell more advertising as we [the google] seek perfection defined by infinite profit." This is actually tightly linked to the evolution of the google's mission statement. Turned out that all of the world's information was too overwhelming and the metric of utility was too unclear. They fixed that by focusing on making the advertisers' ads the highest priority information and using profit as the primary metric of utility. Which finally leads us to the religious part of it:
"There is no gawd but profit, and Apple, Gilead, Google, Exxon, and some giant gamblers are profit's prophets."
That's based on Fortune's ranking, and I'm grouping banks, speculators, and money changers as "gamblers". Other sources define "profits" slightly differently and come up with different lists. I just saw one with Exxon higher up and Samsung included. Plus the prophets change over time.
I've come to believe that a problem without a solution is meaningless. Since I can prove that the so-called "problem" of "more profit" has no solution, I reject it. The proof is simple. There are infinite numbers, therefore there is no maximum profit. If you want a more technical proof, you can use any of the infinite set proofs. Personally I like the infinite prime numbers.
I think it would be better if our economic system were organized around two different principles: (1) Increasing freedom, and (2) Improving the use of our limited time. As a result of practicing those principles, I don't have the money to bribe the cheapest politicians to rig the rules of the game in favor of larger profits. In contrast, the google has become a YUGE lobbyist.
You don't want to get me started on fake individuals. Suffice it to say that corporations are NOT human beings.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Actually, it doesn't matter whether or not you believe because Turing defined the concept mathematically. The deeper question is whether you believe human beings are such. I admit that it's a mechanistic perception of human beings, but because I believe we are universal Turing machines, then we are all fundamentally equal in that sense. We can all solve the same problems, though each of us is faster or slower, both in learning how to solve a particular problem and in executing the solution. (Back to ekronomics...)
Kind of a shame that there are no actually funny comments in this active discussion. At least I couldn't find any among the few that had received the mod. Where has all the wit (of Slashdot) gone? Long time passing.
No surprise that the so-called "insightful" comments were so lacking in insight. At this point, there should be some kind of polling mechanism to total up how many of the moderated-as-insightful comments fall into the same old buckets. In this case, the dominant bucket is clearly the bucket of misogynists. In a "nicer" world, I would hope that the biggest bucket would be for hope, as in we should hope to make the world better, which starts by seeing how things can be improved. (As fundamentally EVIL as I think the google has become, at least on this issue they are dreaming (or faking a dream) in a positive direction.) I didn't keep tight score as I reviewed the current crop of so-called "insightful" comments, but I'm pretty sure I noticed a racist bucket, too, with the primary races of concern being negroid and mongoloid...
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Is it mysogynistic to claim women are more risk averse than men?
I guess you can blame sexist testosterone, which peer reviewed studies show tends to increase risk tolerance in males.
I propose that if you think women being women is misogynistic, then you're the misogynist. Women tend to be more risk averse, and that's ok. It's ok for women to not be men. Any attempt to suppress them or change them into something more male is intensely bigoted.
Next we'll be taking down statues of hoodie-clad white male coders.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
What? You represent the only intrusion of #PresidentTweety into the topic? And only as baggage in your sig? Well, I do agree with your sig for what little that agreement is worth. Perhaps the relevance to this discussion is that the first World CyberWar is over, and America lost. Apparently that proves the superiority of Putin's presumably male Aryan (or Slavic or something?) hackers over America's more diverse hacker community? (Actually, I think Putin had 3 fundamental advantages: (1) Surprise. (2) Broken public education. (3) American TV, especially the Simpsons.)
Funny coincidence is that my wife motivated me to read the transcript of "The Changeling" yesterday. Not her intention, but that's a long and unfunny story, in contrast to the episode... It only takes a few minutes to silently read the 40+ minutes of dialog of that excellent and insightful story of another universal Turing machine run amok.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
I think you should have included more concrete examples of the positive ideology of Gene Roddenberry. "May the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless your planet."
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
...the Rothschilds are running the...
You don't need that conspiracy stuff. I know it feels good to think you have it all figured out and are smarter and better informed than everyone else. But you really don't need it. Facts are enough. No need to also believe in stories. There are better hobbies.
...and multicultural strategy. Daraiha graduated from Dartmouth College with a B.A. degree in Sociology and a minor in Theatre.
Obviously the best person to motivate young people to choose for a CS curriculum. I bet she can teach them all about the joys of datastructures, algorithms and design patterns. And also tell them why she choose a CS career.
Just because whites have a get-out-of-jail-free card based on skin colour,
Could you explain, why race incarceration gap is a problem, while gender incarceration gap, which is times bigger, is not?
Maria Curie is the only human to ever get 2 Nobel Prices in different sciences, hardly a good example of oppression.
Noether's work was not overlooked, neither was Vera Rubin's.
Hedy Lamarr wasn't even a scientist, yet even she received great support from that weird guy you could see in Movie "Aviator".
Girls do better in math on average, than boys do, but if you only look at top performers (700+ points) boys outnumber girls 2 to 1. Nature plays with male genes more wildly, than with female's, so there are naturally more male idiots, but also more male geniuses, many of them asocial, like this dude:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Since when has it been Hollywood's onus to portray reality? I still find it intriguing that people don't really seem to grasp it. They can have person who can survive a 1000ft fall or bend thr trajectory of a bullet by swinging a gun while firing it. But God forbid they inaccurately portray CS professionals. OH NO!
They portray unrealistic expectations for women/men/whatever. Yeah, because it sells. If it didn't, they wouldn't.
We're starting at the end and trying to determine causality retroactively here. Women don't get into science, technology, the trades, or business as much as men do. Full stop. That's a fact. Undeniable.
Any explanation that you come up with is going to have to explain the difference. You simply cannot have an explanation that doesn't. Because the data is there. There's no two ways around it.
I guess we can just go full bizzaro-Hitler and claim its because of the inherent moral inferiority of white males, but I feel that's first not constructive, and second totally fucking evil bigotry.
I never passed value judgements on women for the established fact that they are more risk averse than men. Honestly, risk aversion isn't a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a thing. It's why men tend to be rich, but it's also why men tend to be homeless. It's why men tend to dominate the highest paid fields, but it's also why they dominate workplace fatalities. Risk is good and bad.
In seeing if the data actually stacked up with the video I watched, I discovered that female multi-millionaires tend to keep more of their fortunes in low risk vehicles such as bonds. I think that's an apt metaphor: you can never get rich investing in grade a bonds, but you'll never lose your shirt. By contrast, you can get rich investing in stocks, but many stocks are eventually worthless.
The interesting thing about this idea is that it specifically isn't saying women are less capable of being coders, or technologists, or tradespeople, because I don't believe that. Moreover, an ability gap wouldn't explain why more people don't get into a field in the first place -- there are plenty of incompetent men, it doesn't follow that incompetent people would magically choose not to get into these things just because they're women.
And whereas you can explicitly point at socioeconomic factors with respect to race, you can't do the same with gender. A family who has been living with the consequences of slavery for 200 years undeniably has reason to explain why they haven't gotten into this upper middle-class vocation. By contrast, every single human being was born has a 50-50 chance of being a female so they are going to make up all parts of the social strata. You're going to have poor women and rich women.
So that leaves us with a peculiar situation. Is 50% of 50% of the population responsible for somehow massively affecting a full 50% of decision-makers?
According to a 2015 USC report, President Obama was kept abreast of efforts to challenge media's stereotypical portrayals of women...
This news piece talks of the absence of male teachers.
I'd like to have an effort targeted to this imbalance too. Google, anyone?
Why would Google care about that? Google cares about the lack of diversity in its own hiring pipeline because diverse teams are more productive and creative, and it just can't find enough non white/asian males who are top notch software engineers. So, this.
Why would Google care about gender imbalance in a profession that is not part of its business?
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Same reason feminists love to talk about how more other women should be coders but don't want to be coders themselves.
I know lots of feminists who are coders. Most of them are men, though.
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Been coding since early 1980's and I don't even own a hoodie... I've had plenty of friends, including girlfriends... For me coding was a social event, meeting up with friends and creating exciting stuff. Sure there are geeks living in the parents basement, but I doubt computer geeks do this more than other types of geeks. I think it's more or less pure fiction created by Hollywood.
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
So negative stereotypes fulfilled by white male actors have resulted in disproportionately more white men filling those jobs in real life.
Hmmmmm.....
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
Slashdot needs to add clear trigger warnings to articles so that the broflakes can avoid material that will upset them. Which is pretty much everything. There, saved you a fair few bucks in implementation cost.
sudo ergo sum
The "Do no evil" thing was gone when they bought and broke DejaNews.com. The "Do no evil" is just as valuable as "New and improved" on you washing powder or "Stuff that matters" at /.
For me it was always unrealistic. At some point or another what they consider "Do no evil" will be not in line what I think, no matter how noble they are. And I am just one person.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
you mean like the mad scientist, smart kids are always nerdy (and sporty types are cool), or the way gay people are portraid, etc etc...
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
If this bothers you, I think you might be in search of difficulty in your life.
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
'Member when Google was about making your life easier?
'Member when Google was just a really good search engine?
'Member when Google made tools which were cheap and easy to use?
'Member when Google was focused on making their company valuable and vying for our business?
'Member when Google had competition?
'Member when Google wasn't evil?
I 'member...
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
The population we're talking about isn't "feminists who are coders" but "feminists who advocate coding but refuse to do it themselves". Those kinds of hypocrites are common.
When it won't work by brute force, use even more brute force? Et tu, Bruto?
"Google cares about the lack of diversity in its own hiring pipeline because diverse teams are more productive and creative..."
Do you have any hard data on this claim, or are you just parroting liberal talking points?
Surely Lisbeth Salander makes up for all of this?
Better to be weird and useful than stupid and useless. So what's your point? Trump won't put me in a camp - he can't even have me arrested for using the women's washroom in Texas (thanks to my birth cert).
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
https://www.google.com/search?...
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The population we're talking about isn't "feminists who are coders" but "feminists who advocate coding but refuse to do it themselves". Those kinds of hypocrites are common.
No, that's the population you're talking about... but not what you actually said. If that's what you meant, you should have said it. Of course, if you had said it, your comment would have been:
Which is tautological.
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Are you kidding me? I literally said "feminists who advocate coding but refuse to do it themselves" both in the first posting and in the second.
Are you representative of the kind of people Google hires these days?
_it_will_self_regulate_ with women exiting the field.
It has. But phonies insist on blaming it on the industry (sexists! racists!) and pouring money and energy in programs to attract women to IT, instead of accepting that this is simply not the kind of work they want to do.
See, the stats are skewed because all we hear about in the media is the cool part of IT, like creating facebook bots using dockers on macbooks or tweaking snapchat GUIs using githubs and hadoop. But the reality is that the vast majority of IT workers do NOT work with "cool" stuff; they configure switches, schedule backups, monitor disk usage, calibrate sensor packs, debug unit tests in stale ERP packages, and often doing it on old clunky computers hidden in poorly lit cubicles. Tedious, repetitive work with little or no human interaction. These tasks can be done by any human being with the proper training, but they happen to attract males more than females. That's not sexist. So having diversity hiring programs just means that companies have to set aside waves of qualified candidates to find acceptable ones that have the right set of chromosomes. This is complete and absolute bullshit.
The nasty situations (such as the countless incidents at Uber and other places) are not the cause of the lack of women in IT, they're a consequence of it. Put a 15% minority in any situation and the same kind of patterns will appear, and this is made even worse in this case because IT doesn't simply attract male workers, it specifically attracts male workers that are either on the spectrum or real close, and have therefore less awareness of social manners.
So go fuck yourself with your "afraid of women" narrative. Anyone with a handful of brain cells can see what's really going on here, it's called hypocrisy and self-destructive political correctness. I understand that it's exciting for people like you to feel like you're brave pioneers fighting against a corrupt sexist system, but really you're just pathetic.
lucm, indeed.
......to improve its hiring base since Top Gun!
Judges literally saying: "‘If you were a man you would be going to prison today’
http://www.crimeonline.com/201...
This (same crime in same circumstances getting wildly different punishment) is justified by 'correlation to testosterone"?
The Matrix was basically about a bunch of hackers. I think there was one white guy in the bunch... the Mouse guy with the bleeding ears. Otherwise, you had Neo, who is half-Hawaiian, Trinity and lots of females in general, Morpheus and lots of black or brown people, a New Zealander, etc. Tank that had the cool Latino(?) accent. Almost forgot Cypher... he is a white guy.
Essentially all the bad guys are pure white guys, and 99% of them are just programs.
Mr. Robot... the guy is Egyptian blooded. Is that white? Several black and female hackers on that show.
Anyway... just thought that was sort of interesting that even with The Matrix and a more modern "Mr. Robot" with a vast amount of non-white guy representation, we still need more apparently. I think people who care need to get back to the liberal basics... all humans are worth something no matter the color of their skin, where they come from, or their beliefs.