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PewDiePie Is Inexcusable But DMCA Takedowns Are Not the Way To Fight Him (vice.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: Felix Kjellberg, better known as PewDiePie, is the most popular YouTuber in the world. He's gotten himself into another controversy, this time for shouting the n-word while livestreaming a video game. The 27-year-old Swede has repeatedly been criticized for hate speech, and just last month said he would no longer make Nazi jokes after a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia turned violent. But while playing PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds on Sunday, Kjellberg, who has over 57 million subscribers on YouTube, called another player the n-word before erupting into laughter. "What a fucking n****r," he said. "Jeez, oh my god. What the fuck? Sorry, but what the fuck? What a fucking asshole. I don't mean that in a bad way." Kjellberg did not immediately respond to a request for comment, and has yet to publicly acknowledge the incident.
In response to Kjellberg's use of a racial slur, a number of video game players and developers have condemned the creator. Sean Vanaman, the co-founder of video game company Campo Santo, decided to use copyright law to push back against Kjellberg. On Twitter, he said he was filing a Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) takedown request against the famous YouTuber regarding a video in which Kjellberg plays Campo Santo's game Firewatch. There are compelling reasons to [remove hate speech from major internet platforms] by any means necessary, but DMCA overreach is among the least compelling options, considering that it unilaterally puts power into the hands of what are essentially uninvolved parties and allows for little arbitration or defense on the part of those who have their content removed.
In response to Kjellberg's use of a racial slur, a number of video game players and developers have condemned the creator. Sean Vanaman, the co-founder of video game company Campo Santo, decided to use copyright law to push back against Kjellberg. On Twitter, he said he was filing a Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) takedown request against the famous YouTuber regarding a video in which Kjellberg plays Campo Santo's game Firewatch. There are compelling reasons to [remove hate speech from major internet platforms] by any means necessary, but DMCA overreach is among the least compelling options, considering that it unilaterally puts power into the hands of what are essentially uninvolved parties and allows for little arbitration or defense on the part of those who have their content removed.
Seriously, who?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
How is what PewDiePie said "inexcusable?" Ever said something in a heated moment you regret later? That's all the happened. A slip of the tongue. It happens. Fucking deal with it.
Oh, wait, I accidentally swore. Clearly all my YouTube videos should have DMCA take-downs against them over a single fleeting expletive.
You may not like PewDiePie, but stop trying to pretend he did anything objectionable. He didn't.
No one ever got their feelings hurt and woke up the next morning with Leprosy. This 'hate speech' crusade is just ridiculous.
So do something stupid, get DMCA'd.
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If the goal is to remove the word from the English lexicon it should probably start with hip hop culture
Why is that word OK to say in rap videos?
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Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I'm not advocating hate speech, but why is there the need to censor "n****r" when "fucking asshole" was printed in plaintext?
These are all just words. It's no different than "chink" or "beaner". By censoring them we elevate their status and perpetuate the undesirable meaning behind them. It's just stupid.
Even slashdot required me to censor it to post. wtf.
Yeah. What's this about?
This is not important - whatever it is.
The trolls who have been harassing creimer are inexcusable. But creating a few fake accounts with similar on Slashdot shouldn't be grounds for DMCA takedowns. Yet Slashdot had deleted the accounts and creimer has since signed up for those usernames. The DMCA is not the appropriate mechanism to deal with such abuses, despite the vile nature of the harassment. Also, the most serious harassment, involving pornographic images, took place off of Slashdot. I find those trolls reprehensible, but I don't agree with using the DMCA to combat them, because usernames shouldn't alone be copyright infringement. I'm disappointed that Slashdot went along with that abuse of the DMCA, and that creimer has been able to flaunt his behavior here. Delete the troll comments if needed, on the grounds of harassment, but not on the grounds of the DMCA.
DMCA overreach is among the least compelling options, considering that it unilaterally puts power into the hands of what are essentially uninvolved parties and allows for little arbitration or defense on the part of those who have their content removed.
It seems like if a DMCA takedown is so powerful then it shouldn't be blindly accepted. This is just a symptom of the problem that is the DMCA.
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Uh... how could this clown possibly have meant it in any way OTHER than a "bad way"?
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"publicly acknowledge the incident"? Except for that apology video he posted shortly after ending the stream the same day.
PewDiePie got angry during a game and cursed. There really is no issue involved.
The real racists out there are incredibly casual about it. They aren't trying to be shocking for humor or to get a reaction (some of whom try too hard and it's obvious). It's just a part of their mind and it can't be separated.
Or we could accept the fact that he doesn't live in america and that the 'n-word' has difference meanings depending on location. For example, it simply isn't that big a deal where I live. It's a nasty word, but that's all.
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>Kjellberg plays Campo Santo's game Firewatch.
You mean the really shitty game with no action, no fun, and about 1/3 of a plot, which is completely railroaded to prevent you from having any input? It was essentially a long wankfest of an art film that made you click your mouse every 15 seconds.
And of course, every single game reviewer went nut about it, because they are duty bound to give one of their own SJW community a verbal blowjob. Exactly like they did with Gone Home, another non-game that nobody liked for any reason other than it fit their narrative.
This entire past year has been literally nothing BUT people screaming about being offended. Well at this point who give a damn? Honestly. The plant is dying, Lil Kim is probably going to start WW3, the US is teetering on a damn race war... but no. Some asshole from Sweden said the 'n-word' in a live stream.
I never cared to begin with about people that love to take offense. But if it's going to between some idiot YouTube's bad humor and the left's constant freak outs I'll take the bad humor every time. Your feelings do not, and never have, matter. #FuckYourFeelings
It's fucking ludicrous to try to discuss this on a website where neither the summary, title, nor comments, can actually contain the word in question.
I'm generally surprised at how censorship has a history of complete failure, but maintains complete adherence from those who wish to police language.
Anyway, not joke he made was "inexcusable". But how could you have that discussion here?
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With Schumer pulling the Democratic cart on keeping the dreamers in and blocking the wall, a far cry from the policies he supports in Israel, it's not a good time for Jews to have that discussion in public.
The DMCA is frequently used by commercial entities to take down speech which has even less relevance to it than this. That's an example of why the DMCA is an atrocious law, but why should only the abusive entities, like the RIAA or the MPAA, be allowed to use it?
(There is at least one reason, but think about it for a minute first.)
The only reason I've been able to identify, is that then you hate the law less than it deserves. I.e., you become complicit in its injustice. But most laws are unjust to someone or other, and you can't go around ignoring them.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
The Jewish community isn't worries about some joker making jokes.
They have bigger fish to fry such as the Swedish foreign department which supports Hamas with 200 million USD per year.
> we had folks marching and chanting "The Jews will Not Replace Us!" and our president himself gave them a pass.
He called out the racists that were present. He didn't "give them a pass". All he did that seemed to anger the media was to point out that some of the people gathered to opposed the demonstrators initiated violence and generally acted illegally.
Everything in the above post is wrong.
It's just a stupid word. Anybody still triggered by words is worthless. You're spending time in the 24/7 outrage machine called the internet and not interacting with people. Get outside and actually do something instead of sitting at home on your computer playing video games.
How about nobody tells the guy how to have fun?
and has yet to publicly acknowledge - FALSE. He did a follow up
If the country had both a history and a present-day pattern of oppressing "fucking assholes" you might have a point
No, the point is even more valid when you have a history of oppression. History has shown time and time again that the way you fight the words and idea of oppression is with better words and ideas.
You cannot get rid of entrenched attitudes like racism, sexism and other bigotry by suppressing it. All this does is hide it from view where it festers and erupts and then all of a sudden you wake up to find you have a sexist, racist Oompa Loompa as a leader.
The idea is so old there is even incorporated into a children's fairy tale. Remember sleeping beauty where the king bans all spinning wheels but she still gets pricked because the first time she sees one she is so curious about it?
Win stupid prizes. Bite the hand that feeds you and wonder why you stop getting fed. When you use others IP to make a living, you're using other people's IP. It isn't yours. That is a risk you accepted. Stay edgy PDP!
oh geeze, oh my god, what the fuck, oh man
stop giving attention to pewdiepie, hes a stupid n-gger and everyone knows it. maybe not in those exact words, but its what everyone is thinking
"There are compelling reasons to [remove hate speech from major internet platforms]"
Really? Is anyone forcing anyone else to watch these youtube videos? If someone behaves badly then first call them out and after that ignore them. The mere existence of objectionable material in a public forum is not a reason to panic. I consider many things on youtube and other sites to be even worse than what this guy did. If I get 1,000+ people to scream about crass language or porn can I get it all banned? Oh, I forgot. Porn is big business and "free speech" so it gets a pass even though research shows it damages real relationships. I choose to avoid people screaming obscenities and slurs *and* the porn. It isn't hard. I don't care whether some advertisers want to target their ads to objectionable groups of people. What I don't want is some company or group deciding that they are the arbiter of "good" vs. "evil" and trying to snuff out all people that think differently than they do.
The whole reason the label of "hate speech" was created was to have a lever for censorship. Just like "hate crimes" were created to give an excuse to punish some people differently for the exact same crime that others commit.
The fact that PewDiePie is the most subscibed to channel on youtube.
That's what's fucking wrong with this world.
I'm not sure in what spirit you're saying this, but it's not a terrible thing to say. Human lives should be treated with equal respect. If one is going to be a knob, at least try to be an equal-opportunity offender.
Inexcusable? Watch me excuse it: He's friggin' young and Swedish, he only picked up the word from gaming with young Americans.
Please refer to Michael Anthony Richards, a.k.a. "Cosmo Kramer" on Seinfeld.
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I forget who proposed the idea, but imagine if you went back in time and we're able to swap the meanings/definitions of the words "cake" and "cunt", the words aren't inherently good or bad, they only have the power we assign to them... so don't assign such mystic importance to the word, niggr.
"An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard" and yet I can't see a link to that report in this article. Also, having heard about this whole thing elsewhere I know that PewDiePie has most definitely responded already in another video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLdxuaxaQwc&ab_channel=PewDiePie
Yet another case of poor editing at /.
Note I'm not in any way, shape, or form defending PewDiePie, despite his thorough apology and admittance of guilt. The fact the n-word came out like that for me points to it being part of his cultural vocabulary.
when he said 'both sides are bad'. Heck, he's getting up there in the years. I could excuse the first 'both sides are bad' comment, but he recently doubled down on it.
When it comes to Nazis, and I mean literal Nazis like what we saw in Charlottesville, there is no way you can ever say 'both sides are bad' and not come out smelling clean.
But what shocked me wasn't Trump's response. I expected that from him since it was angry white male voters that put him in office and he's playing to his base. What shocked me was the tepid response from the Jewish community to both him and the events in Charlottesville as a whole. I'm not even Jewish and it scares me. There was a time when a few punk kids spray painting swashtikas rated a response bigger than that.
I'm pretty far left, and I sorta thought my side of the aisle would have stronger allies from the Jewish side. But I'm not seeing it. Do these guys not realize what happens when you've got millions of angry white men with no jobs, no women and no prospects for either? We've got 2000 years of history where that's happened and it's never ended well once.... Seriously, now is the time to do something about it before it's too late.
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That's Russia's fault. I don't have any evidence, but I've discovered that by playing six degrees to Kevin Bacon with an entire country, I can uncover a new and disturbing tie that raises important questions about things whenever I want to.
This is true, but it is also perhaps relevant to note that that is an affirmative defense, which means that the AC was correct: as long as the filer owns the copyright it's legal for them to file. From what I recall of the response process, the infringer would need to specify which federal court they're okay with being sued in. I think that PDP would have an excellent case for fair use under the terms you identify. I don't know whether he has the means to argue that in court. I suspect that he can probably find them.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Inexcusable?
Bad choice of words, YES! Racist conotations, YES! However, this word IS pop culture. You can't escape it in media. Pewdipie, seriously, don't fucking say it, try harder. Everyone else, we need to have a talk about this fucking word, because the whole notion that it's bad for you to say depending on your skin colors is the most racist, comical distinction ever in the context of fighting racism.
He could never made a classic movie today. Must be his racist, misogynist, cis-centric, religiously intolerant background...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
I don't approve of that kind of language, not that I haven't heard the same language a billion times in online games. Its pretty common. The saddest part of the story is all the snowflakes convinced that they will melt into a puddle at the first "micro-transgression."
FFS grow a spine, focus on what matters and move on with your life. You will be better off for it. Words are just words, nothing more, nothing less. If you want to see some real problems that need champions look to Africa or the Middle East, where people are still starving to death, genocide is still happening, and women still don't have basic rights.
Armchair offense takers in the West need to drink a big cup of STFU with a MYOB chaser...
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
doesn't have 200+ years of systematic terrorism, slavery and economic oppression associated with it. Blacks have only had full civil rights for about 50 years now with lots of gaps in enforcement. Black people are understandably frightened our country will regress. They're still a minority and a highly visible one and ruling classes have used visible minorities for scapegoating for thousands of years.
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The game company gave explicit license to everyone to stream game play and monetize it, and made no mention on that page of any limitations.
Thus, PDP owned copyright to that video, as a unique public performance, by implicit license from the game company. The DMCA takedown is false and thus actionable.
PDP should be smart and sue the ever living fuck out of the game company.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
not for blacks. It's about decades of systemic violence. e.g. Terrorism. They're frightened of casual racism leading to regression. It's not hard to imagine if the economy keeps getting worse. Folks will start looking for a scapegoat and a visible minority is always going to be the go to. Right now it's illegals and I heard a lot of talk about walls and such the last year but very damn little about income inequality or the fact that all the gains since 2008 have gone to the top. Hell, it made the news when median income went up a few hundred bucks for the first time since 1999.
I guess what I'm saying is: Folks are working harder and not seeing anything for it. They're angry, especially white men. That anger has to be placed somewhere, and there's lots of people with an interest in misdirecting that anger away from them.
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N!gger please. Quit being such faggots and get over it.
Yes. Black people are completely soft and have it cushy growing up, they should all harden up. Those stories about dad getting called that on the daily while still having to go to the same place to work to raise his kids is bullshit, who cares when someone we thought was a friend at school shows up the summer after and won't have anything to do with you and calling you that for no reason.
We should all just sit back and take it when people throw that around for fun and repress all of our memories and feelings, or be able to work through them at the drop of a hat for some random dude.
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So when do the public executions begin?
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
The youth in the US has nothing to offer but "feeling". They internalize it into something profound as result of their unconscious realization of the void of their own uselessness to society. They yearn to belong!
"If I stand up for the cause of the day, I will be accepted into the group(think)". Then it doesn't matter that their Gender Studies degree landed them lifetime employment as a Barista or revolution wannabe. People around them validate them. They found their personal Nirvana --- until they accumulate real world knowledge and hopefully grow up...
"What a fucking n****r. Jeez, oh my god. What the fuck? Sorry, but what the fuck? What a fucking asshole. I don't mean that in a bad way." No human being other those looking to make trouble cares.
... but nibberizing productive white culture is no joke. All rational people accept this and act accordingly. SJW snowflakes and vote-herding Trotsky-ites spew equalitarian fantasy .. for they do not know a better falsehood. At least PDPie accepts the forcing nature of raw truth.
Can we stop virtue-signaling for just a second and come back down to earth?
PewDiePie used a racial slur in anger during a multiplayer videogame on his stream. He quickly realized it was a mistake and after the stream, he offered what seemed like a sincere apology and recognition that it was wrong. He didn't use the slur in a way directed at any individual any more than that time Ryan of GiantBomb threw out "faggot" during a game on film. Most people didn't care, except a bunch of precious white people who got offended on the behalf of other people who weren't particularly offended.
So let's not equate that to him being a nazi or a racist, maybe?
Next, let's put his prior "issues" into proper context. Idiot game journalists (and the WSJ, etc) are constantly framing what happened as "he paid some guys to promote racist nazi anti-semitic stuff!" and "he made a joke about nazis and wore a nazi uniform on a video!".
Well, let's look at the context of that.
What he did was use a website where you pay five bucks and people will offer to do almost ANYTHING for it. These two guys advertised that they'll hold a sign with ANYTHING written on it and put it on video. To test out how low people would go for five bucks, he came up with the most offensvie and absurd thing he could think of to put on a sign - "death to all jews". Not because he's a racist. Not becuase he was promoting racist content. He chose that BECAUSE it's fucking terrible. AND THEY DID IT. FOR FIVE DOLLARS. THAT IS WHY IT WAS FUCKING FUNNY. If he had them write "You smell like farts", it wouldn't have been funny and it wouldn't have made a point, because that's not an absurd and offensive thing to write on a sign and hold up. Fucking DUH.
Second, the "nazi outfit" and other bullshit WAS USED TO MOCK YOUTUBE. He made a video to explain and protest Youtube's "Youtube Heros" program where any busy-body could apply to become a censor on youtube, flagging any video they didn't like to have it censored. He portrayed youtube as Nazis and their videos and representitives as nazi propogandists. As the biggest content creator on the platform, he donned a nazi uniform and played a nazi propoganda speech video (as if it were the youtube heros program video) and saluted it. The point he was making is they were content-censoring group-think thought-policing nazi's and he was obeying them, as a good little content creator. He wasn't CELEBRATING or PROMOTING nazis. He was USING THE IMAGERY TO PROVE A FUCKING ANTI-NAZI AND ANTI-CENSORSHIP FREE SPEECH POINT.
But the games journalists twisted it around and only produces stories MISSING that context and intentionally promoting the lie that he was somehow worshiping hitler and making racial comments and jokes. (As part of an anti youtube-creator campaign that the WSJ and others lead because of course the platform and online content is a harm to their own business).
Maybe you should post your swear words so we know which ones are acceptable.
Same here. But a lot of people *do* and you hear it online all the time. They also say "faggot" and a lot of other things. I've heard people that I know for a fact are not homophobic use that language in multiplayer games. I think it's pretty terrible, but it also isn't the same thing as actually being racist and exhibiting racist behavior. If you used those words directly toward the people they're intended to slur or you talked about a group of people as those things, that's one thing. But to just throw them out the same way you would "motehr fucker" or "god fucking damn it" -- while pretty shitty -- is hardly in itself racist.
Also, I would imagine that if it's all you fucking hear nonstop (and it is, when you play games online), then even though you might not normally use it in your language, it might be a word you go to when you spew anger back at the rest of the multiplayer group. Again, that doesn't make it cool to do at all. It just demonstrates that simply *using* t hose words in that manner don't make you inherently racist or homophobic or whatever.
No, you call them a cunt instead.
I still fail to understand who really gives a rat's ass about someone else using "naughty words". Seriously, the entire planet needs to grow the f up in my opinion.
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest after reading this stupidity.
He's not an American. He has no idea what "the n word" means. I was ten in the US south before I understood what it meant. (I used it to describe a white guy because as far as I knew, it was just an insult. A black kid in the class was in tears the rest of the day after overhearing me say it. I haven't said it since).
So, he's a *Swede*. He lives in one of the whitest countries in the world. He has no idea what the word means. He can be forgiven for his ignorance.
PewDiePie IS inexcusable, not because of any "racism", but because he's an annoying little shit.
The more you try to silence people the harder they'll fight back. Is it really worth it?
may break your bones, but someone will always offend a feminist
Have you ever fallen asleep at the keybhanusdiog?
RE_FUCKING_LAX
JUST listen to the pretend things the kids say. While they put pretend bullets in each other. While they crash cars into each other. While they run pretend bankjobs, pretend kidnap each other, pretend knife, shank, and teabag, and sometimes even kill pretend nazis.. We laugh when we pretend beat the money out of the hookers, and pretend murder whole races.
It's pretend shit talk. Just like the rest of the clowns on the internet. None of it is real. It's the fucking INTERNET. That's why the 400lb man in his moms basement pretending to be a 12 year old girl is the joke.
Have some fucking perspective ya wimps. THIS IS NORMAL BEHAVIOR WHILE GAMING.
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To put it another way...
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You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
BlackLivesMatter is bullshit. It gives the impression the other races aren't as important.
Why don't these matter?
RedLivesMatter
YellowLivesMatter
WhiteLivesMatter
There is only ONE way to end all this bullshit:
All Lives Matter
you fight oppression with deeds. The South was basically dragged kicking and screaming, literally at the barrel of a gun circa 1864, into the world of civil rights. It took constant pressure from the North and West Coast to first end Slavery and then Segregation. And they've hated us for it since. Yeah, there's the "Liberal Redneck". The South isn't a monolith. But such people's voices were a minority in the 60s and it was a Supreme Court case that ended it. Didn't they make you read about Brown vs Board of Education in school?
Words make people feel good. Deeds solve their problems. As for getting rid of racism: It's all about money. It's a wedge used by the ruling class to divide the working class. It has been since our societies got big enough to need such things. The reason you're seeing a flare up is both the Dems & the Republicans abandoned working class white men to globalism and Trump & the Alt-Righters noticed that and are capitalizing on it. If you want to stop it the solutions are economic. Hell, that's what end slavery more than anything, it wasn't a good deal economically anymore.
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is an end of the racially tinged and antisemitic skits. That more than any apology is what he needs to do right now. Not because he's upsetting people, but because those skits encourage and normalize racism and antisemitism. Whether he wants to acknowledge it or not. There's plenty of other, productive ways to discuss race without paying folks $5 bucks to hold up the Nazi flag or blurting out the n-word. He could be a guide for a lot of frustrated youths to help make the world a better place. If he does that, well, all is forgiven.
The trouble is that's probably not going to get him as many views because, as the saying goes, there's no such thing as bad advertising. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
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and has yet to publicly acknowledge the incident.
Actually he has, he addressed it on stream, and posted a video where he explains the obvious -- he was frustrated at the game and yelled out the most vile thing that came to mind. I don't know about anyone else, but I would think actual racists don't view such terms as horrible.
Are we really reducing racism to the choice of words, and not to the intend behind them?
as well as why it's OK to use the n-word in that context. First, it's a historical piece. Second, it's playing with our preconceived notions of racism by showing that the Irish held in deeper contempt than the Blacks & Chinese at one time (they were actually) in order to make it clear how ridiculous racism is.
Also, I looked up the guy that your sig is about (Anthony Johnson). He owned indentured servants. Effective slavery but only because the laws were not being enforced. The first slaves were brought from Africa in the early 1600s by the Dutch. Your pal Johnson was still an indentured servant himself. If I were politifact I'd rate your sig Mostly False. I'm not sure where you came up with it, but It's purposely misleading. You should do a bit more research to convince yourself and then remove it.
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Negro. There I said it. Can we move on?
He said "Nigg*r", which is a word that only black people can use.
His speech was not properly segregated.
And you fuÑking bullshits can also get around to supporting Unicode sometime soon, buttholes.
No it's not that all other races besides white people matter, it's just if we said all Iives matter, we would really have to say All Lives Matter (except those of white people). See how awkward that is?
If you care what happens to pewdiepie, you are the problem. Kick the idiot off Youtube, then kick off any idiot that defends his right to infect our lives with his vile humor.
Darwin process applied to Youtube creators.
He has plenty of money.
Seriously, can we move on to "Things that matter"??
I like my bitchbois how I like my coffee: angry and stupid. It doesn't have to make sense.
Just like the black and brownish youtubers who did something like that in supportive response to this fake controversy.
White lives built America, careful where you tred.
Black lives matter never implied that other lives do not matter. That aspect is only implied by those who do not want to or have not understood what that movement is about.
You are implying some motive that isn't there. It's like one saying "I like cabbage" and then others implying that person does not like any other vegetable. Your conclusion is severely flawed.
BLM is bullshit because it's about identity politics - not actually doing anything to help blacks. Black peoples really don't matter to this movement except where "black bodies" can further the political movement. You'll very quickly have your black card revoked if you disagree with the ideology.
Did I somehow miss the outrage over mainstream outlets like MTV and Buzzfeed making endless videos that are racist towards white people?
In response to Kjellberg's use of a racial slur, a number of video game players and developers have condemned the creator.
Well, yeah, God's done a lot of stupid stuff.
Oh wait, you mean the game guy? "Creator" is a bit grand for what he does.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
... who finds it extremely peculiar that the most popular YouTuber is a guy posting videos of himself playing video games?
People watch that ?
The new idiocracy, who the fuck is producing these SJWs... seriously I think we need a study before it becomes an epidemic and end up in a totalitarian SJW world rule.
Sure they did implie. First blm happened in Haiti, and nothing else can come out of it as a nice racial henocide.
N*gger isn't a swear word it's a demeaning and dehumanizing word.
Curse words like fuck allude to sex, n*gger is designed to erase anything distinct about someone and reduce them to a preconceived construct designed to abstract the target instead of dealing directly with the individual on common terms.
Perhaps words can change meaning over time but there are many people alive who have had negative experiences involving that word being used as I described above, and to hear someone who you are supposed to enjoy drop that word takes a lot of the enjoyment out for certain people.
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Really?
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
The problem is not with malspeech, but malhearing. Anyone who listens to you just _waiting_ for you to say something bad so they can pounce on it is not, in fact, listening. They are stalking you.
It doesn't even matter what specific fault the malhearer is waiting for -- liberal, conservative, culture, relationships, whatever. It is impossible to have a conversation with anyone who is waiting to be offended.
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
There are no doubt too many people who don't do justice to the word. Not everyone agrees that it should be used in each case, it depends on the individual doesn't it? Just because it is used by some doesn't mean everyone is always happy about it.
But generally hip hop represents the reality of those individuals, or perhaps with the advent of more pop/club rap, a persona. It does not often try to represent an entire race.
Whether things are OK or not very on the individual. Trying to determine if something is overall OK or not in this broad a sense is kind of reductive and ultimately pointless.
But when it's used as if the context and associations don't exist, and people start arguing they shouldn't be considered even though it resonates strongly with certain individuals, it seems very dismissive.
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Oh come on. White people may have designed America, but black slaves did the lion's share of the actual building of America.
Um no. More white people are killed by police than black people in America. You're a fucking liar.
It's kind of odd people think the word "cracker" is on the same level, but it doesn't exactly have the same kind of history. I don't think I've even heard anyone say that other than Sherman Helmsley. I don't think anyone had quite the same fear when they heard "cracker" as people have when they heard the word "ngger", not as many people have been put through trauma over the word "cracker" and it never became an epidemic or civil issue quite the same way! Anyway personally I wouldn't use either word. Neither is constructive.
The issue is not hate speech or racism. It is on yet another horrible example of why the DMCA is bad.
How do you deal with hate speech? Don't listen.
How do you deal with the DMCA? Good question. I wish I knew.
I remember seeing a slashdot post where the music industry suggested that over 100 million Americans pirated music. That is more than all of the people who voted for Trump and Hillary combined. So why do we still have it? Is it because America is no longer a representative democracy? Do we no longer have power over our own government?
If you have a solution, I am all ears.
BLM is just as racist as the KKK. Fuck your neo-bolshevik bullshit.
Not to BLM. Hence, they're just as racist as their KKK counterparts.
Yeah because non black people never suffered hardships in the country. Stop making this about race.
you fight oppression with deeds. The South was basically dragged kicking and screaming, literally at the barrel of a gun circa 1864...
Who was wielding that gun? The US as a whole was convinced that oppression was a very bad idea by the words and ideas which were freely expressed. Having lost that argument a group of states then decided they were just going to ignore it can carry on regardless. So yes, sometimes action is required but only after the argument of words and ideas has been won otherwise you won't have anyone willing to take that action.
Nobody is in tears. Nobody is upset. They just don't respect you anymore since they know that you choose not to show respect to others.
No one will ever stop you from using whatever words you choose. You'll just look like a sack of shit to good people.
It won't hurt you any. There are enough sacks of shit to surround yourself with that you'll probably never even notice.
The implied full name of Black Lives Matter was always Black Lives Don't Not Matter. But that's confusing, so feel free to think of it as Black Lives Matter, Too. It was a response to police officers not facing consequences after killing unarmed black men in situations that easily could have been handled in non-lethal ways. That is, in response to black lives not mattering.
You think it's racist because some of its members are racists, and you get your news from someone whose job it is to make you angry, so you only get the racist clips. But it's 97% about just not being awful to black people, and it's a God damn no-brainer to support that cause.
He is an entertainer that specifically uses shock to entertain. He has also pointed out the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to freedom of speech. Sorry to say the obvious but if you don't like it then don't watch. If you don't like to hear someone else talking about it then point out the idiocy of them watching in the first place.
Every time he makes the news he gets more money from more people watching.
Reading these responses blow my mind. I truly feel like I'm on Tumblr reading SJW after SJW getting triggered. Grow up!
It seems pretty self evident that what the BLM hashtag means (at least originally) is "black lives matter as much as white lives", as fueled by the many instances of blacks being killed in questionable circumstances, with no consequences at all for those that caused the deaths.
So rebutting this by saying #AllLivesMatter comes across (to some) like saying "all houses matter", ignoring the fact that one of the houses is burning.
While I personally think 90% of social justice political correctness is bullshit, criticizing BLM while ignoring the context of where it's coming from seems misguided.
The grandparent said white people did it. Black people also did it. Just a factual correction and nothing to do with who suffered most. Let's keep it factual and civil, please.
Issue take down notices to BLM (Black Lives Matter) videos for HATE SPEECH? Issue take down notices to Minister Farrakhan's Videos for HATE SPEECH? Issue take down notices to Al Sharpton's videos for HATE SPEECH? Issue take down notices to Rev. Jesse Jacksons videos for HATE SPEECH? Yes these folks are just as RACIST as the white supremacists and neo-nazi's. If your going to limit the free speech ("hate speech") of one group you had FUCKING better do it to ALL OF THEM! I don't want to hear your FUCKING excuses either because that is all they are EXCUSES!
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BlackLivesMatter is bullshit. It gives the impression the other races aren't as important.
Not really. That would be called OnlyBlackLivesMatter.
The Onion Covered The N-Word Years Ago Did you all forget this? Classic. And applies now. XKCD-level application.
Porn Starlet Apologizes for Using N-Word In Scene With Black Co-Star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
True story -- a number of years ago my 15th Favorite ex-girlfriend said to me, during heavy intimacy,
"I want you to fuck me like a black man."
"Okay, Sadie, sure. But does that mean I'm the black man, or you're the black man?"
This was towards the end of the affair, the part I call "The Farcical End." Knowing what they are, I really truly virtually always enjoy my breakups. That's when the best comedy is generated.
If you really believe that you should go to Home Depot and call the day workers waiting outside spics and see how much they don't stop you.
If you like all vegetables why not say "I like vegetables". But you don't, do you?
I identify as a carrot, #TRIGGERED.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
File that with theft of a Lada, bigamy, and pirating Justin Bieber songs.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
No I completely understand the historical context of the piece. That same historical context for the statues being torn down. And Casor - the indentured servant whom Johnson successfully argued could NOT end his indentured servanthood - was effectively, by decree of a Court that overturned his freedom from serving his contract - was the first legal slave in the US. Johnson kept him past his contract - and did so with the force of the Court behind him. Casor was the first legal slave in the US - one who's position in life, as a slave, was confirmed and guaranteed by a decision of the Court.
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PS: Snopes confirms that Casor was "among the first to have his lifetime ownership of a servant legally sanctioned by a court." Not Politifact but equivalent. And The Smithsonian states has an article titled "The Horrible Fate of John Casor, The First Black Man to be Declared Slave for Life in America". I guess Snopes and the Smithsonian can no longer be trusted?
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Assuming you're just ignorant, and not a troll, white people were never brought here as slaves. It's true that a small number were brought here as indentured servants to pay for their passage to America, but that's a far cry from slaves.
Read a book, asshole. LEARN something.
Bullshit. There were WHITE SLAVES. They were not indentured servants. They were Irish who rebelled against the crown and were SOLD>
Here we go again, another affluent white person who's never known a working-class white person putting everyone in neat groups.
"Progressives" ascribe the same "white privilege" to the white janitor that they do the white CEO, and it is grotesque.
It's better to be a rich black man in this country than a poor white man, and poor whites still receive the majority of welfare benefits in the USA.
For the last 20 years, classism has replaced racism as the nation's primary form of bigotry, and the neo-bigots shouting tolerance and diversity while practicing neither have levelled what this country had left of a moral high-ground.
Don't take his word for it. See for yourself:
https://youtu.be/RFykABow304
There's a reason that all good affluent suburban white people worship MLK. He made them feel good about themselves. Malcom cared about the black man.
Look at the black incarceration rate since Democrats stopped openly trying to re-enslave the black man, and started pretending to be on his side. They finally realized they could accomplish their goals better pretending to be their friends.
The confederate flag was sysnonmous with the Democratic Party. They want to ban statues while voting for the party that fought a war to preserve slavery.
They've no idea what's going on.
BLM is first world problems. They are selfish pieces of shit who don't understand just how much worse things can be and are for many people in other parts of the world. BLM is also based off of misinformation. For almost every single case where a claimed police injustice occurred, the reality is quite different when you get past the feigned outrage and look at the actual case and evidence. Most of the people who police shot deserved to be shot.
All Lives Matter. That's the core of BLM. BLM is just pointing out the lives not treated the same as others.
anti-BLM activists would have you believe that if a Black house is on fire, then All Houses Matter, and the fire department should pre-wet the neighbour house as much as the one on fire, and no fireman should enter the burning house to save anyone, as that wouldn't be fair to those in the surrounding houses.
BLM is simply stating that sometimes, the house on fire needs more attention.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
Every source I find on the matter indicates that there existed some white slavery, but not in the US, and that "white slavery" in the US existed, as an illegal sex trafficking, and the theory is the idiot racists confused the two to believe that there were white slaves.
There were not white slaves in the US, so "white slavery" as a response to BLM makes no sense.
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Just not true. Slaves are _shitty_ workers. Basically why it ended, world wide. To get them to work, you have to pay someone to stand behind them with a whip. Might as well pay the guy with the whip to work. Free men chasing something work much harder.
The parts of the USA that maintained slavery were the poor parts. Why they lost the civil war.
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If that were true they would be concerned with the group that actually kills the most black people. Instead they focus on cops.
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Much Betterr to live in a white country with NO political correctness, NO ANTIFA, NO blacks and their BLM extreme left terrorists.
If a black man kills a black man and is caught, he faces consequences. If a black man is straight up murdered by police, there are no consequences. If you pretend this was happening to white people, you'll understand why this makes people angry.
Boooo.
Get with the times. In the USA, all lives matter and all races are equal.
Don't believe it? You're part of the problem.
Do you have any examples for the last two of those situations?
It's more like both houses are on fire, but you only need to do something about the black house because the other house has "White Priviledge".
Black people use it all the time. Ever hear of NWA? Google it. They call themselves that, yet if anyone else does they somehow feel they must be violent and act offended, and this is ok somehow. It's BS.
Then there is "white privilege". What is that? Whites, especially white men can't complain about anything. That's what it is. Another BS thing the left keeps shoving down our throats. Especially when they are trying to screw society and destroy it so everyone is miserable.
Then why does the BLM crowd get angry when someone says "All lives matter" instead of specifically "Black lives matter"? I am pretty sure they want theirs singled out.
Maybe, just maybe, if blacks weren't committing 40% of violent crime they wouldn't be 30% of those shot by police?
The black community does have a bitch, they aren't getting their fair share of police protection. It really should be about 40% of those shot by police, but they are getting shorted.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
So, we should be happy with innocent unarmed Black men being shot by cops, because Blacks deserve it because Black on Black crime exists. I hear, I understand. I disagree. You fix what you can, and the easy target would be to start with the government, who is provably treating some people differently.
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An unarmed Black man is 10x more likely to be shot than an unarmed white man. The rate at which Black people commit crime has *nothing* to do with that.
And Blacks don't commit 40% of violent crime. They are just convicted more often, since Blacks commit more crime, they are prosecuted more aggressively. It's the tautology club. We assume they are worse, so we make it so.
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While I personally think 90% of social justice political correctness is bullshit, criticizing BLM while ignoring the context of where it's coming from seems misguided.
Personally, I think 90% of political correctness is "Don't be a dick". There are cases where it goes too far, but they are the heavily publicized minority (publicized by the people who prefer to be dicks). But yeah, Black Lives Matter is a statement against the status quo where it often seems like they don't.
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