Twitter Plans To End Revenge Porn Next Week, Hate Speech In Two (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: In the beginning of 2017, Twitter said it would take on harassment and hate speech. CEO Jack Dorsey said the company would embrace a "completely new approach to abuse on Twitter" with open dialogue along the way. For months, though, the company has offered few details about what it would do, or when. That changed late yesterday, when Twitter posted a timeline with specific promises on actions it will take. The changes begin next week. On October 27, Twitter will expand what types of "non-consensual nudity" (aka "revenge porn") that it takes action against. The company will already act when a victim complains, but Twitter will soon act even in cases where the victims may not be aware images were taken, instances like upskirt photos and hidden webcams. "Anyone we identify as the original poster of non-consensual nudity will be suspended immediately," the October entry reads. On November 3, Twitter will ban hate imagery in profile headers and avatars, and the service will start suspending accounts "for organizations that use violence to advance their cause." The same day it will institute a policy of stopping "Unwanted Sexual Advances," although the company says it has already been taking enforcement actions on this front. Later in November, Twitter will ban "hateful display names."

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Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[turkeydance]

x will be suspended immediately. y, too.

Re:Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't you worry one bit lad! Twitter's banbot has been updated with the latest AI and anyone posting pictures of glasses of milk, the OK fingersign, any frogs whatsoever, or any posting with the letters "k", "e" and another "k" in it will be immediately banned without possibility of appeal. Our staff are diligently scanning 4chan to maintain the most up-to-date hate speech monitoring as well, so new memes will immediately result in more mass bans to keep our platform free of the villainy of hate speech retroactively!

Yours,
Twitter

Re:Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[Anonymous Coward]

Welcome to the future, comrades!

Twitter: Building the Radiant Future one Goosestep at a time!

Re:Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[Anonymous Coward]

MAXIMUM KEK

Re: Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[Anonymous Coward]

Just keeping the undesirables out, much the same as you would expect for someone being aggressive in a bar, or showing you their special upskirt photos.

Re: Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[Anonymous Coward]

I dunno when girls show me their up skirt photos I kinda like it.

Re: Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[Anonymous Coward]

People who suspend people's accounts for promoting nazi-ism are the REAL Nazis.

Re:Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[desdinova 216]

so how soon will Trump get the banstick?

"violence to advance their cause"

[JesseMcDonald]

... the service will start suspending accounts "for organizations that use violence to advance their cause."

No more government-sanctioned posts on Twitter, then? Good riddance.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[rossz]

I look forward to seeing Antifa accounts suspended.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Somehow I think certain ideologies will "slip through"...

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

It’s a strange world we live in where being against Nazis and Fascists is made out to be a bad thing. Did everyone forget WWII?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Personally I'm waiting to see if they'll go through an ban all BLM-affiliated accounts. BLM has literally gone out and assassinated police officers, this should be pretty cut-and-dry. Bet you they won't, though.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[aristotle-dude]

I look forward to seeing Antifa accounts suspended.

Violence against nazis, white supremacists and fascists is acceptable. It's always been acceptable and it always will be acceptable. It may not be politically correct to punch nazis, but that's too bad. Suck it up, buttercup.

Violence against nazis, white supremacists and fascists is part of our heritage. You're not trying to destroy our heritage, are you?

Here is the problem. ANTIFA are Nazis. They look like Nazis and act like Nazis. They just do not know what a Nazi is.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Spotted the Russian troll

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[fibonacci8]

Go a few steps further: Start flying the 48-star United states flag from when we actually went to war with nazis, because heritage. Spoiler Alert: Hawaii and Alaska became states afterward.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

That sounds like a dogwhistle argument supporting white nationalism.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[fibonacci8]

And yes, I'm aware Ohio is bad at filing paperwork and didn't get "admitted to the union" until 1953.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Nethemas the Great]

Unless this includes a policy reversal, Trump still get's a pass since he's basically their financial lifeline right now--err em, excuse me... I mean "news worthy."

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem is they define anyone who doesn't vote their way as a Nazi..beating up harmless people just because they didn't vote Hillary. Sorry..you got no good leg to stand on in defense of them....

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

So you advocate and condone political violence as long as it's against people called nazis, white supremacists and fascists (also known as the favored epithets for conservatives)? Great, but have a thing called "the law" and it doesn't make exceptions for stuff like that.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Rockoon]

Here is the problem. ANTIFA are Nazis. They look like Nazis and act like Nazis. They just do not know what a Nazi is.

Actually they are fascists that think themselves marxists.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Rei]

You do realize that almost all "Antifa" accounts on Twitter are trolls, don't you?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Goose In Orbit]

Indeed... the orange troll-in-chief being top of the list...

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Nethemas the Great]

That may be the US' more recent history. However, traditionally from its founding it has rather been quite the other way around. The revolt of the alt-right is just trying to put things back in their historical positions, albeit with a modern, "tiki-torch" kind of flare.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Shooting holes into crowds also seems to be a popular American pastime.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Nethemas the Great]

Trump said some were good people.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[MightyMartian]

The English-speaking world spent six long years beating the living fuck out of every Nazi we could get our hands. Nazis need good beatings, it seems to be the only thing that finally gets them to settle down.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mike Van Pelt]

Opposition to *actual* Nazis is a good thing.

Antifa, however, just asserts that anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi, and that assertion is sufficient to justify any sort of violence they want to perpetrate. Their definition of "Nazi" seems to be anyone to the right of an ever-leftward-rushing line. Barbara Boxer recently ran afoul of them. Lately, they seem to be including the ACLU in their list of Nazi organizations.

Did everyone forget Pol Pot? That's where they seem to be heading.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[MightyMartian]

No BLM has not, and has decried such attacks.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Here is the problem. ANTIFA are Nazis. They look like Nazis and act like Nazis. They just do not know what a Nazi is.

Naw, man. It's easy to tell the Nazis from Antifa. The Nazis are the ones with swastikas, throwing up the Hitler salute and talking about a "white ethnostate".

You can also tell the Nazis because they are the ones getting punched while everyone (except the Nazis) cheers. Nazis are also the ones saying, "Antifa are the real Nazis". Don't try to change history.

https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/i...

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

No. Thats never been the case. We didnt go to war with the Nazis because "they said hateful things". Actions not words.

Freedom of speech exists for a reason. Whether or not you like what they are saying.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

hilarious and original

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

And yes, I'm aware Ohio is bad at filing paperwork and didn't get "admitted to the union" until 1953.

That's why I only fly the 47-star flag.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

The irony is that in their pursuit of imaginary Nazis they have become facists themselves.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[rogoshen1]

really? I just see two sides of the same shit-eating coin.

The only silver lining to their shenanigans is that their behavior does more to hinder their cause than anything their opposition could ever do. It's almost like they're both false flags setup to discredit fringe/extremist viewpoints.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

That should be easy. Twitter's anti-abuse manager just has to check his friends list: https://archive.is/ygF9u

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Major_Disorder]

Indeed... the orange troll-in-chief being top of the list...

Far be it from me to say anything positive about his Trumpyness.
But he really isn't orange anymore. Maybe he is too busy failing to repeal Obamacare to get a fake tan. If so at least something good came out of that. :)

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Rei]

Almost everything you think you know about Antifa is due to trolling. There are extensive troll campaigns out there involving fake Antifa accounts. Each tries to outdo each other with the most outrageous thing they can say to make gullible right wingers take them seriously.

"Antifa" has no ideology except hatred of Nazis and those espousing similar ideologies (general white supremecists). It is not a "group". It has no "leaders". No little black book. Nothing except "hates and will actively oppose Nazis and other white supremecists", and random people who are of that view describe themselves with the term Antifa. Not all people who identify as "Antifa" support violence as a means to counter Nazi activity (there's been a widespread "Is it okay to punch a Nazi?" debate since Richard Spencer was punched on camera). Of those who would answer that with "Yes", there's a further subset known as "Black Bloc"; which again is not an ideology but more of a style (dressing in black and actively physically engaging when Nazis and aligned groups come to town). The "Don't punch a Nazi" crowd thinks of them as counterproductive. Black Bloc style protesting existed before "Antifa"; before the most recent flareup, it was most commonly associated in the US with WTO protests.

To reiterate: Black Bloc does engage in violence - although you might have been misled about "innocent victims". To pick an example: the most famous viral video of Black Bloc actions was this attack. Who is that poor innocent victim? Why, that's Keith Campbell, known on Twitter as "PatriotWarriorMedia". He's involved in R.A.M. ("Rise Above Movement"), a group built specifically around active training to engage in street brawls with perceived leftists. Rather than all black, their hide-their-face approach is black skeleton masks.

What did Campbell have to say about that protest where he got beaten up beforehand? Why let's look!: "Fuck Antifa! Let them come to Berkeley on August 27th so we can kick their asses AGAIN! @1776RealNews @ProudBoysCA @BasedCops"

How did that work out for you, Keith?

Anyway, this is all secondary to my main point, which was to make you aware of the fact that the vast majority of "Antifa" accounts are just trolling to try to dupe gullible right wingers. My personal take on the whole thing? Black Bloc protesters and R.A.M. deserve each other, and both can go F* themselves as far as I'm concerned.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

No. Thats never been the case. We didnt go to war with the Nazis because "they said hateful things". Actions not words.

You think we just killed the Nazis that burned Jews? No, my friend, we killed every Nazi we could. If you put on the swastika and saluted Hitler, you were a target. Nothing has changed.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Naw, man. It's easy to tell the Nazis from Antifa. The Nazis are the ones with swastikas, throwing up the Hitler salute and talking about a "white ethnostate".

I can make shit up too. It's amazing what you can do with Photoshop these days.

The fact of the matter is that so far, only one side here has resorted to actual physical violence, and it's not the side you're pretending are "nazis."

The fact of the matter is that "antifa" could better be called Anti-First Amendment. They're a violent left-wing hate group that routinely assaults peaceful gatherings of people doing nothing more than exercising their First Amendment rights. Notice how it's the "nazis" always being punched, and not doing the punching? Most people have nothing to fear from these so-called "white nationalists." They're harmless.

Antifa, on the other hand - those people scare me. They bring nothing but hate and violence. They are anti-American and anti-First Amendment. They are a danger to society and need to be stopped.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey PopeRatzo, figured you'd be on this thread.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

Funniest thing I've read this week.

Oh wait, you were serious. You actually think that AntiFa are national socialists. The group whose sole shared goal is opposing the far right, are also the far right.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

really? I just see two sides of the same shit-eating coin.

That is correct. One side of the coin has a Nazi on it, and the other side of the coin kicks the Nazi's ass. It's not pretty, and it's not politically correct, but in the war against fascism, Antifa are the first responders.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

So you have the authority and knowledge to judge everyone in that group to be bad people? What a simple world you live in.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[aliquis]

As long as we're killed to bury you it's all fine.

So where to they draw the line?

Is this included? https://is.gd/ds2qgI

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

I can make shit up too. It's amazing what you can do with Photoshop these days.

Do you believe every single news outlet in the world is using a photoshopped image of a Nazi being punched?

Here a local Florida newspaper:

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/...

And here's a British newspaper:

https://www.independent.co.uk/...

And here's a video of Richard Spencer being punched, just because it's so fun to watch:

https://youtu.be/9rh1dhur4aI

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

No, you purposely deceitful tranny sack of crap. Antifa thinks violence and rioting is appropriate not just for Nazis, but anyone who disagrees with them on anything.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Except for these arent nazis. They are just cowards waving the flag. You start killing people that wave something you dont like, thats a truly slippery slope.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

As long as we're killed to bury you it's all fine.

So where to they draw the line?

Dude, you need to get a better Nazi-to-English translator.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[narcc]

Yeah, it's not like Nazi's would drive a car in to a crowd of people or shout racial slurs while firing a gun at someone in a crowd or anything...

Yeah, all that stuff must have been "fake news", right?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

Do you have a link for the Barbara Boxer thing? The only thing I could find was a tweet by a fake Twitter account.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[slew]

And yes, I'm aware Ohio is bad at filing paperwork and didn't get "admitted to the union" until 1953.

That's why I only fly the 47-star flag.

Better keep that safe ;^) Those 47 star flags are fetching a pretty penny on Ebay...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-...

Trivia alert: of course that's not because of the Ohio thing, it's because it's an unofficial flag celebrating NM. Technically, new flags are only officially adopted on July 4th and NM entered the union in Jan and AZ entered in Feb one month later...

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

[citation needed]

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

I think you'll find that a lot more than just the English speaking world faught the Nazis. But I guess you believe anyone who doesn't speak English is a Nazi and thus is okay to punch.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Except for these arent nazis. They are just cowards waving the flag.

Got news for you: A lot of the original Nazis were also just cowards waving the flag.

It's simple: You wave the Nazi flag, you're a Nazi. There's no need to over-think this.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[magarity]

Violence against nazis, white supremacists and fascists is acceptable. It's always been acceptable and it always will be acceptable.

Amazingly, this is incorrect. Volunteers from the US who went to help the Spanish again fascists before the outbreak of WW2 were labelled communists for their trouble and prohibited from joining the regular US Army.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Citation needed.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Alypius]

It's too bad. They're much closer to Mao's Red Guards than Marxists.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Trivia alert: of course that's not because of the Ohio thing, it's because it's an unofficial flag celebrating NM. Technically, new flags are only officially adopted on July 4th and NM entered the union in Jan and AZ entered in Feb one month later...

And yet, that 47-star flag on ebay was posted from Columbiana, Ohio.

Now you know the rest of the story. Coincidence? Perhaps not.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

https://twitter.com/URageULose...

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[MightyMartian]

Nope, I was just referring to the fact that suddenly in America it's a bad thing to thump a Nazi, when 70-odd years ago, it was one's patriotic duty to blow them into smithereens. The Russians deserve a helluva lot of credit too, as do a host of other nations who joined in the effort to beat up Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes? The first was an instance of Antifa agitators purposely surrounding a guy in a car, who then panicked and ran one of the rioters over. Considering that anyone doing anything with a gun these days is latched upon by the Gun Grabbers in microseconds, the fact that I can't even begin to guess what you're talking about for the second one says enough. Plenty of shooting incidents where people died can be tied back to Antifa and BLM, though... (Weird how the Gun Grabbers neglect to mention who's doing the shooting, isn't it?)

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[SuperKendall]

According to Twitter, no violence is acceptable, so if that is the policy all Antifa related accounts should be terminated. It doesn't matter how you feel about violence being acceptable, what matters in this case are Twitter's term of service.

P.S. if you endorse a philosophy where it is OK to use violence against people, they it is equally OK for them to use violence against you because hey, they also think you are fascists. That is why advocating for violence on any grounds is never very smart, because there is always someone who can classify you as being within the bounds you yourself set.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

What fascism? Any specifics or is fascism for you just a president you don't like?

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

P.S. if you endorse a philosophy where it is OK to use violence against people, they it is equally OK for them to use violence against you

So, you don't believe the the Second Amendment?

Violence against Nazis is society's self-defense.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[lucasnate1]

Remind me, when did ANTIFA build concentration camps and kill millions?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

I recall an incident when someone opened fire on some politicians who were playing baseball, and another when a someone booked a hotel room in a tourism-centric city, filled the room with 23 of guns, thousands of rounds of ammo, and unloaded on people attending an outdoor concert who were just trying to enjoy some music.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Then why aren't BLM rooting out the culprits in the midst themselves?

And antifa for their bad actors?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

And the masked antifa goons who are out and about beating the shit out of people who hold signs like "I SUPPORT FREE SPEECH"? Those are some pretty dedicated trolls.

Masks suggest bad intentions, and it seems like all of the "black bloc" antifa are wearing them, while none of the conservatives do.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

That's not exactly what it says. It says an armed populace is the best surety of a state. It doesn't suggest shooting anyone. It suggests being a viable threat should someone attempt to use violence.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

really? I just see two sides of the same shit-eating coin.

That is correct. One side of the coin has a Nazi on it, and the other side of the coin kicks the Nazi's ass. It's not pretty, and it's not politically correct, but in the war against fascism, Antifa are the first responders.

I hope you're just trolling.

If not, you need to come up out of Mommy's basement for air.

But don't climb the steps too fast - you'll get the bends.

That bright thing in the sky about half the time? We call that "the Sun".

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Antifa is the unreformed blackshirt German Communist party militant wing. Akin to the brownshirts being the German National Socialist party militant wing.

They're all fucking collectivists. They all hate the individual and favor the group. If Antifa didn't define "Nazi" as "Anyone who disagrees with us" and attack accordingly I'd be happy to let them punch Nazi's all day. But Antifa isn't that bright, and is now a threat to people who just want to be left the fuck alone, by everyone.

So Antifucks, prepare for the counterpunch.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Antifa are communists, all the way back to their founding in Germany. Communist regimes have killed at least 100 million people, no camps necessary.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

If Antifa is serious about violence against Nazis, why haven't the gone after admitted Nazi collaborator George Soros?

Oh, that's right, because he bankrolls their operations through his "Open Society Foundation".

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Stop commenting on your own comments PopeRatzo. Why are you trolls even on slashdot? Go back to tumbler. Or are you paid to be here. Does seem like it's your 9 to 5.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Baron_Yam]

>The Russians deserve a helluva lot of credit too

No shit. If they hadn't become 'the enemy' we'd probably still feel badly about how much they got burned by the Great Patriotic War.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Aighearach]

http://webcache.googleusercont...

Nazis are the ones who give nazi salutes and get arrested for attempted murder and being felons in possession of firearms.

Antifa are the ones who fight said nazis with just batons and courage.

If you can't tell them apart, you're probably a nazi.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

You seem to be confusing war between nation-states and killing people who disagree with you. If Twitter was remotely serious they would ban you.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Times change. It used to be patriotic to kill injuns. Not so much today.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[denzacar]

It may not be politically correct to punch nazis, but that's too bad.

Maybe to Nazis it's not politically correct. To anyone else with a modicum of moral fiber it is commendable.
People have even gotten medals and shit for KILLING Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Aighearach]

Antifa doesn't refer to an organization that you could track that way.

These are mostly groups that were formed this year, in the USA, not in Germany or somewhere, and they haven't killed anybody.

You're a prime example of a nazi moron, talking big behind an Anonymous Coward screen!

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Aighearach]

Yeah, and Apple thought everybody was going to pronounce SCSI as "sexy."

What somebody intended is not the same thing as what actually happened.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Oceanplexian]

Do you believe every single news outlet in the world is

Before the 2016 election, I would have laughed at you for claiming that "every single outlet in the world [is wrong]". But we live in strange times, and news outlets aren't based in reality. At best, they report things that make money, or that garner eyeballs. At worst, they mislead the public to push political agendas and issues that benefit their shareholders and owners. And yeah, they frequently all report the wrong facts together, in a sort of hysteria. If you work in IT this phenomenon is obvious. A popular consensus of stupidity does not make an idea (or a news article) any less stupid.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

And Donald Trump, Milo Yiannopoulos, Steve Bannon, Mike Pence, etc.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

"Antifa" has no ideology except hatred of Nazis and those espousing similar ideologies (general white supremecists). It is not a "group". It has no "leaders".

Hmm...that doesn't seem to be the case, hell the original antifa which they'll claim they're based off of had leaders and even openly supported communism. You find an antifa in the street and you can bet that they'll be hoping for a commie revolution along the way. The difference between a nazi and antifa are the side of the coin they're on, that's it. They both had leaders, they both have an ideology.

Antifa just happens to be engaging in the tactics that caused the same problem as last time. Namely violently assaulting anyone who doesn't bow and scrape to them.

I will agree that the vast majority of antifa accounts are there to troll. But what I find interesting is the number of communist LARPers that openly support them as well, and have a long history of supporting these tactics to "overthrow western society" and so on.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Billary Blinton]

All you have to do is keep changing the definition of nazi, white supremacist or fascist and you're set.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

Trump said some were good people.

On both sides no less. Oh I know, it's so hard when someone makes that comment about there being good people on both sides. Or shall we just say that since ABC, NBC, CBS and so on came out asking "is it okay to punch a nazi" and several commentators argued in favor for it, that they're actually all neo-fascist organizations bent on overthrowing capitalist society and you're the bulwark in their defense.

See how easy it is?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Billary Blinton]

Ahktually the other side has a hammer and sickle.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

I love your logic. I'll use it to just label anyone I don't like as a nazi, white supremacist, or fascist and then punch them out! No proof needed, my claim is absolute, and I'm the righteous one because THEY are the bad guy. Why? Because I said so.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Actually they are fascists that think themselves marxists.

Let's review two stories from yesterday's Nazi rally in Florida:

1) Antifa protester hugs Nazi: http://www.nydailynews.com/new...

"The man who hugged a Nazi outside Richard Spencer’s speech at the University of Florida on Thursday said, “I could have hit him, I could have hurt him ... but something in me said, ‘You know what? He just needs love.’”

A man wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with swastikas on Thursday was surrounded by a crowd of protesters who screamed, punched and spat on him before Aaron Courtney gave him a hug.

Courtney, a 31-year-old high school football coach in Gainesville, yelled, “Why don’t you like me, dog?” as he wrapped his arms around the Nazi in a video that quickly went viral on social media.

The Nazi was later identified as Randy Furniss."

2) Three Neo-Nazis charged with attempted murder after firing guns into a crowd of protesters:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/...

"The three men pulled up next to a bus stop while leaving the neo-Nazi talk and started yelling Nazi slogans and cheering Adolf Hitler, according to The Gainesville Sun. That’s when the allegedly victim hit the car with a baton. Tenbrink reportedly pulled a handgun and got out of the car while the other two men yelled, “I’m going to fucking kill you,” and “Shoot them.” The shot missed and struck a nearby building."

No, Antifa is not "as bad as the Nazis". Nobody's as bad as the Nazis. Because they're Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

The situation is not funny, it's sad. It's sad because so many people have equivocated fascism with the right, when up until a few years ago, nearly every expert and textbook on the subject indicated fascism came from left-leaning governments that became violent.

It's an intentional ploy to use Marxist oppression structures by the political movement that created it to equate anything else as the other, ostracize, and claim moral victory.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[WorBlux]

Members of two violent gangs go looking for a fight. If fight ensues, they are both criminals. The danger is the conflict will grow, and more people looking for a cause and personal meaning will take up with one side or another.

And the antifa does have a particular ideological profile even it they aren't formally organized. (A activist tactic to avoid or route around police interference). The Jesish Rabbi council is definitely against Nazi's, but I would guess they tend to be pretty pro-capitalism. There is definitely a common ground of post-marxist critical theory and a tendency towards direct action outside of political channels. Trolls aside they do actually believe in a lot of left-wing nonsense.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Rei]

Hmm...that doesn't seem to be the case, hell the original antifa which they'll claim they're based off of had leaders and even openly supported communism.

"They" don't claim anything. Fake troll twitter accounts claim things. What part about this aren't you understanding?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

"They" don't claim anything. Fake troll twitter accounts claim things. What part about this aren't you understanding?

What part of get off your ass and ask them in the streets aren't you understanding with this? Many of them absolutely do claim those things, hell you can even find indie journos like Tim Pool who were doxed and harassed by antifa for bringing this to light. The german state didn't shut down indymedia in a vacuum.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Rei]

Seriously, google antifa troll campaign. It isn't that hard.

They're fishing for gullible right-wingers. Amusing how well it works.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[elrous0]

Violence against nazis, white supremacists and fascists is acceptable. It's always been acceptable and it always will be acceptable.

No, it hasn't.

Liberals used to stand up for free speech. I was proud to be among them back then.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Story 1: single person saves man from being beaten up by an Antifa crowd
Story 2: group who came to hear a man talk had to pull a gun to defend themselves after Antifa started vandalizing their car with weapons

Oh, yeah, Antifa comes off sounding really peaceful there.

What is wrong with you?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[rossz]

Antifa's definition of nazi is anyone who is to the right of Joseph Stalin.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[rossz]

Antifa are the ones who violently protested a conservative gay man from speaking.
Antifa are the ones who violently protested a conservative jew from speaking.

Neither one of these antifa targets are even remotely nazis, but according to antifa, they only use violence against nazis. Their definition of nazi is "everyone they disagree with". Antifa believes all republicans are nazis. They probably include moderates since they aren't far enough to the left.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[elrous0]

Except one side defines "Nazi" as anyone who disagrees with their extremist social and political decisions. And even if they were fighting only actual neo-Nazis, adopting every negative trait of a Nazi to fight a Nazi only makes you a hypocrite, not a freedom fighter.

And you had better remember that the precedent and laws you set today will be turned against you tomorrow. Punch a Nazi today and tomorrow *you* may be the Nazi that someone has decided that it's okay to punch.

And anyway, I don't want to live in a U.S. where the only freedom allowed is the freedom to agree.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you believe every single news outlet in the world is using a photoshopped image of a Nazi being punched?

Well, virtually every single news outlet in the world also said that Donald Trump will never become president of the United States.

And here we are.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

What fascism? Any specifics or is fascism for you just a president you don't like?

Here is a vid of the appropriate end for the original fascist, I am sure you will love the comment down from the vid that claims Obama, Hillary, the Zionists and many others deserve this end. If you do not know what fascists are then you cannot see past your fucking nose and are completely ignorant of the reason why our parents were more than willing to kill the whole fucking lot of them including Hitler. I am sure George Patton would have gone straight to Berlin and "put a bullet in that paper hanging Nazi son of a bitch" if he had the gas to do it in the fall of 1945. Twist history all you like, the history books are not going to be re-written by the ignorant Neo-Nazis of today, unless reading them is banned the way Hitler tried to change history.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh dear you really have lost the plot.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Except one side defines "Nazi" as anyone who disagrees with their extremist social and political decisions.

You repeat that canard, but it's just not true. We're talking about literal Nazis, promoting literal ethnic cleansing using literal swastikas. Just because they put a picture of Pepe next to the swastika doesn't make them less Nazi.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[elrous0]

And what are you going to say when the tide turns and everyone decides it's okay to punch Marxists?

Just remember that the precedent you set today can be turned against you tomorrow.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[blackomegax]

Keep your gaslighting nonsense in /r/T_D

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

"anyone who disagrees with me is a nazi" is just an alt-right meme. No progressive/lib feels that way. It's just the, guess what.... wait for it... swastika wearing, heil hitler bots, white supremacists, and genocidal maniacs they're punching. NOBODY ELSE.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

It scares me that you don't realize that Kekikstan and Pepe are just jokes and you're just feeding the trolls.

You're the kind of idiot who comes out of watching The Producers thinking Mel Brooks must really love Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[blackomegax]

Either you're an idiot, or someone went to a LOT of trouble to have a 6 fucking digit sockpuppet.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

No, my friend, we killed every Nazi we could.

Spoken as you straddled Wernher Von Braun's throbbing memeber, hey, you dumb fuck?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[drinkypoo]

Antifa, however, just asserts that anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi

[citation needed]

and that assertion is sufficient to justify any sort of violence they want to perpetrate.

You mean like your bullshit, unsupported assertion that Antifa asserts that anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi?

Hypocrite.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Spoken as you straddled Wernher Von Braun's throbbing memeber, hey, you dumb fuck?

I don't think we have to worry about there being any rocket scientists among the current crop of Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[a.e.brownlee.iv]

... the service will start suspending accounts "for organizations that use violence to advance their cause."

No more government-sanctioned posts on Twitter, then? Good riddance.

I wish I could mod this up to a 6.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[MightyMartian]

Don't feel that bad. They made their deal with the devil just like Britain did.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

No problemo hoser ... the most fit survive and do as they wish; Straight white Americans create, crush and rule! Compren'de? Weaklings do as they must. Nibbers, SJW, bleeding hearts, unproductive Rawlsian droolers and Trotsky screamers bleed away. Their bones are kicked to the gutter ... food for dust.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[magarity]

Yes but that was before they were metaphors.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

And the years before that you were supporting the fuckers. Right after you finally changed sides, you billed the shit out of the people you 'saved', and took credits for work your allies did. Step away from the high horse, some of Europe still remembers.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

And there are countries that give medals for killing americans. Doesn't really mean jack shit, other than the medal-giver thinks it's a good PR move.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[aliquis]

You need to learn how to do actual argumentation.

Or rather; stuck to what you can't. Never learn. It will be better that way and you'll just be an annoyance.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

The part where the left-leaning groups has disregarded trolls and such stirring up shit in the past. Why should they now be afforded the benefit of the doubt they wouldn't allow their opponents? 'No True Scotsman' and 'False Flag is just disinformation paranoia' and all that.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Aighearach]

Squirrel!!!

Not convinced.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[aliquis]

... and I do it again.. should had been stick. Whatever :D
I was reformulating what I wanted to say while writing it.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

So you approve of people beating you up? After all, you *are* one of the biggest fascists on Slashdot.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Gun Grabbers? One of those phrases like head-choppers which sounds good to a Russian but doesn't quite work in English.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

Antifa are NOT Communists. We want nothing whatsoever to do with those brownshirt capitalist thugs.

They demonstrate no socialist economic awareness and no solidarity with working people. They are nothing more than paid agents and unpaid dupes of big money.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

You're either a Nazi or one of Putin's boys pretending to be a Nazi.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

He's not an idiot, he's a Russian propaganda agent.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

How's the weather in Kiev today?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

No, we just read the parts of the history book immediately preceding and following the Second World War. Communists were no better than Nazis, and both were violent authoritarians.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

The medals were for heroism in battle. That is, for killing German soldiers. Most of those soldiers were not members of the Nazi party. They were fighting because their country told them to fight.

Our soldiers were doing the same thing: fighting because their country told them to fight. That's what soldiers do. That's what military heroism is about. Politics, Nazi, anti-Nazi, and otherwise had nothing to do with it.

Now stop lying, stop astroturfing, and go enjoy the Moscow snow.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

Do they work out of the same troll factory where you are employed?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Was that Antifa professor that beat people in the head with a bike lock just a troll?

What about all the groups that organized riots and intentionally burned property. They were just trolls too?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[preflex]

What's the difference between a fake Twitter account and a real Twitter account? Even if the user is fake, the account is still real, right? Does it mean there's a fake Twitter, like Twittter.com, for example?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Gryle]

Cite your source on that. And don't tell me to "go do my homework". You made the claim, you back it up.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

"Here is the problem. ANTIFA are Nazis. They look like Nazis and act like Nazis. They just do not know what a Nazi is." - no they are not, they are a reaction to a problem, if the problem didn't exist nor would they. They might look like it if you side with the original problem i.e. the small minded bigots.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

"But Antifa isn't that bright, and is now a threat to people who just want to be left the fuck alone, by everyone." - what? the small minded bigoted white supremacist nazi lovers want to be left alone? If the bigots went away then Antifa would naturally disappear.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Considering that republicans have lowered the bar for being a communist to "supports universal healthcare", then yes, I guess most of the USA is probably communist.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

unfortunately these white supremacist supporters are conspiracy nuts. they get upset when someone reacts to their bigotry and don't let them get away with it. they want the freedom to do what they want but don't want anyone else to have that freedom if its a direct reaction to their enjoyment of bigotry.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

if they behaved like the KKK, nazis sympathisers, white supremacists etc then it will be alright to have a reactionary group against them.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

LOL, you realize there is video of that guy ramming the crowd, right? Doesn't seem to match up very well with your little fantasy there.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

that was a case of mistaken identity, so your interpretation of a valid citation is crap

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

provide some evidence for that link to communists. You must be so far right that anyone one inch to the left of you is communist

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

don't remember reading that anywhere, can you provide links so we can all read it and see if your interpretation is correct

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

The second amendment does not give anyone the right to violence. You know that.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[NettiWelho]

that was a case of mistaken identity, so your interpretation of a valid citation is crap

Oh, so violence isn't violence when its done to a random passerby who didn't support the imaginary political alignment(german nationalist socialist party is extinct) of your choosing???

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[NettiWelho]

It's simple: You wave the Nazi flag, you're a Nazi. There's no need to over-think this.

No, if you wave a _nazi_ flag you're FBI agent provocateur

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

Considering that republicans have lowered the bar for being a communist to "supports universal healthcare", then yes, I guess most of the USA is probably communist.

Considering that democrats have lowered the bar for being a nazi to "anyone who supports the 1st amendment or gun rights", then yes, I guess most of the USA is probably nazi's.

Do you see how stupid your reasoning is?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[NettiWelho]

We're talking about literal Nazis, promoting literal ethnic cleansing using literal swastikas.

Nazis are dead, the party is banned in the country which is tied to the name. Only ones doing this with obsoleted german flags are FBI agent provocateurs looking for chumps to jail and trolls who won't carry any action into real world.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[NettiWelho]

Yeah, it's not like Nazi's would drive a car in to a crowd of people or shout racial slurs while firing a gun at someone in a crowd or anything...

Yeah, all that stuff must have been "fake news", right?

Prove he had a GERMAN NATIONALIST SOCIALIST PARTY card/membership, I fucking dare you!

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

The "wrong facts"? No. Just no.

There are no alternate facts. That's post-truth bullshit. Mistakes happen, but that doesn't mean you should just pick the alternate facts that suit your political leaning.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

If I ever decide that genocide is okay or some group is sub-human, feel free to punch me.

By the way, your signature makes you look silly now. Your prediction was way off the mark.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

You understand that an organisation doesn't automatically adopt the political leanings of its leaders, right?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

The fake one claims to be "AntiFa Boston" but is actually someone in an office in Moscow. They post deliberately inflammatory stuff to engage the right wing.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem is they define anyone who doesn't vote their way as a Nazi..beating up harmless people just because they didn't vote Hillary.

No they didn't. Don't spread those fucking lies here.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[poity]

My grandfather was imprisoned and tortured by Marxists. Our family of educators was largely dispossessed because of their associations with anti-revolutionary entities (western friends and colleagues). Despite what they did on the personal scale and their policies that resulted in millions dying, I still don't believe I have a right to initiate force against people who hold Marxist beliefs. Am I in the right or in the wrong here?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

> It’s a strange world we live in where being against Nazis and Fascists is made out to be a bad thing. Did everyone forget WWII?

The part where a violent group would take to the streets, dehumanize a section of the population, engage in violence, and demand contrary speech be silenced? I certainly agree that antifa's openly fascist tactics and beliefs are a risk to our society, but I don't think we need to declare a literal war against them just yet. If it comes to it, sure.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Lol I've seen plenty of videos of antifa just fucking beating people up and destroying property. I've seen free speech activists and journalists labelled as "nazis". Never mind that most of the actual racists that they beat up are (a) not breaking any laws, not deserving of violence in any way and (b) not even nazis in the first place.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

"Liberalism is white supremacy"
"The revolution will not uphold the constitution"

http://reason.com/blog/2017/10/04/black-lives-matter-students-shut-down-th

If these groups get what they want- first the nazis, then the racist not-nazis, then the right wingers, then the conservatives- you can bet they are coming for liberals next, then progressives. Protect free speech now, or these far left fascists will be murdering people without end.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe you're the gullible one?

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope, I was just referring to the fact that suddenly in America it's a bad thing to thump a Nazi, when 70-odd years ago, it was one's patriotic duty to blow them into smithereens.

I wasn't going to join in this ludicrous thread, but then I read this ^.

70 odd years ago you were also imprisoning your own population in internment camps, turning neighbours and long term friends into enemies, based on their skin colour or the country their parents were born in, and various other unpleasant things.

Times change, and in this time, the present day, violence is not considered a valid reaction to disagreeing with someone's ideology.

If you think it is then I'd be forced to quote Martin Niemöller's poem, and that would be possibly the largest irony in the history of ironies.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

You are correct, because Marxism isn't specifically about there being a master race and wanting genocide. Sure, individual Marxists have done some terrible things, but just being a Marxist isn't itself a sign that they wish you harm.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

I miss the old days when yes-men whom always agreed were not called Antifa but simply put gay, because real men disagree all the time with everything. Everyone deserves the right to disagree and it starts with removing women whom neither disagree nor agree from junctures of bureaucratic bottleneck. That will prevent mafia ethics from propagating and strengthen our communication. Currently we have too many of these damned Italian criminals among our government and its become an epidemic.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Okay, then I look forward to seeing "antifa" accounts banned.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

So what? Politicians deserve it.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

>they report things that make money, or that garner eyeballs.

Obviously only true starting in 2017 and never true in the history of news media. Ditto for:

>they mislead the public to push political agendas and issues that benefit their shareholders and owners.

I'm really interested at some of these new to 2017 phenomena, such as institutional police racism towards blacks and corporations' desire to earn profits at all costs. The really interesting one that started last month that I have my eye on is struggles between different religious sects in the Middle East.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

I think, when it comes down to it, we have to denounce asshole fringe groups on both sides. I, as a left winger, will happily denounce AntiFa if a few right wingers will denounce Westboro Baptists.

I think we could do a lot to heal our fractured country if we all denounce the jerk fringes of our parties instead of strawmanning the other side as all being card carrying members of said fringe.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[DNS-and-BIND]

Come on, we are talking about people who called Trump literally Hitler. The American Left keeps dumbing down the definition of "Hitler" just as the American Left dumbs down practically everything else, in its never-ending quest to paint everyone and everything who is not staunchly on the American Left, as the epitome of evil.

Meanwhile, the American Left is still infatuated with the ideas of Karl Marx - whose philosophies quite literally inspired and bred the tyrants of Communism. Remember Communism? The gulags? The Holodomor? Most of the American Left are either deliberately ignorant about, or maliciously obfuscatory of, the grievousness of Communism's record.

An ongoing record, I might add. One which puts Hitler's in perspective - because compared to Lenin, Stalin, or Chairman Mao, Hitler was a piker. Nobody manufactures mass graves like the Marxist folk. And today's American Left is filled with Marxists, either explicitly card-carrying, or implicitly card-carrying.

Doubtless I will be piously rebutted by a Millennial wearing a Che t-shirt.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not just "violence" per se.
Twitter knows "good violence" from "bad violence", cause, you know, it's artificially intelligent, or something.

You can be sure as shit that Twitter isn't going to start censoring the American Military any time soon.
They're sacrosanct, untouchable, and the US military (and proxies and mercenary forces) are arguably the most violently "effective" that modern man has ever known.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[lgw]

Someone did give Hitler a good slap. It helped propel him to his political career, so he'd be the one doing the slapping.

But it's interesting to see you embrace the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive attack. As long as you're sure your attacking a Bad Person, it's OK to be the side initiating violence? I think that's what you're saying. Think about what happens when the other side starts doing the same.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

They do behave that way. They would genocide every single white male they could find if they could get away with it. White women would be next. After that, they'd turn on each other even more. It's good that you clarified that it's ok to punch a commie.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Apparently the vandalism and rioting on inauguration day was too long ago for you to remember?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Milo's Twitter account was banned ages ago, you fucking idiot.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Cederic]

I'm going to create a twitter account and report any account that ever used #punchanazi for advocating and encouraging violence.

That should help them.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

It wouldn't be preemptive if it was Richard Spencer. He has already called for ethic cleansing through violence if necessary.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

No, they are actually communists and communists have killed 100x more people than Nazis.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/the-communist-origins-of-the-antifa-extremist-group_2282816.html

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

> The group whose sole shared goal is opposing the far right, are also the far right.

I think you drank the Antifa kool-aid.

You are adding to the misconception that Antifa a just group protesting Nazis or KKK.

Instead it is a group that used masked violence, intimidation against anyone advocating free speech that they do not like, or having politics that they disagree with.

In the old days, the KKK was the group that used masked mob violence and intimidation to achieve goals.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Hal_Porter]

Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

They're literally Communists, you fucking imbecile. Antifa was founded by Communists. It is the literal textbook definition of what Communism is and does.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

I've already decided to do that.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

No, he has never called for that. He's a disgusting individual, but so are you for blatantly lying. He has condemned racial violence, and does not believe white people are superior.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Hahahahaha you actually believe that...

Antifa is literally a Communists organization, founded by Communists, to promote Communism through violence.

The recent social justice slant you refer to is the wolf using a new sheepskin. It's the same evil, and like all violent murdering Communists, they must be killed to save the world again.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

No, but being a Marxist does show that you'll gladly be a useful tool to allow people who do act that way to get into power.

Of course, the silver lining is that Marxists usually kill the useful idiots first.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Then we spent 30 years killing Communists.

Let's not stop at the Nazis.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Dogwhistle! DOGWISHTLE!!!!!

It must be fucking mentally exhausting to be so ignorant and see shadows around every corner.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, they burned Berkeley when a gay jew was invited to speak there... And no, those weren't Russian operatives, you fucking imbecile.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

I, for one, abhor the genocide atrocities carried out by the Nazis. I also see abtifa violence equally abhorrent. Howard Stern used to play tapes of a KKK dude named Daniel Karver .. and ridiculed him. Daniel was know for 'wake up white people ...' and Howard did more for trashing the KKK cause than any violence ever could.

So , I'm one, and I'd bet that there are lots like me, who find the way the antifa carries out violence abhorrent, and I'm the furthest from a white power, KKK type.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[elrous0]

By the way, your signature makes you look silly now. Your prediction was way off the mark.

LOL. Keep watching, You'll be eating those words soon.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[dfenstrate]

What a load of crap. You brown shirts went after Ben Shapiro in Berkeley. You're violent, nasty thugs who have no place in a civil society. I'm thankful that Berkeley, of all places, had the good sense to realize that law and order must be maintained, and properly secured his second appearance.

You have chosen to live by the sword; push the rest of us too far, you will die by it as well. Fortunately even left-wing mayors and college administrators are starting to realize it's best to prevent you from starting your next riot.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, that girl wearing a "Make Bitcoin Great Again" hat was the next Hitler, surely. We should definitely trust the radical left. After all, when have they ever got it wrong?

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Step back and realize how fucking retarded you sound. I'm sure Antifa will be accepting conservative Christians any day now, because the leadership doesn't dictate the political leanings of the members, right?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

1918 to 1989 inclusive in the former USSR. 1938- Present day in China. Now if you want to talk about fascists and anti-fascists in the USA, there was a few camps during WW 1 and 2, but I don't know of any mass politically motivated executions. I know that since Trump has been elected, the US has collapsed into a failed fascist state where people are killed in the streets for being non-republican. Oh wait.. they're not. Just your regular idiocy and over-reaction to someone saying something you disagree with.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, those Russians and their burning Berkeley! And punching women wearing red hats! And shooting congress members!

Russians! All of them! Definitely not American leftists!

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, BLM absolutely has MURDERED police, and civilians. Several times.

That your leftist Fake News rag refuses to report the truth to you doesn't change reality, you fucking imbecile.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[thejynxed]

Of course it can be a bad thing, or do you forget who else was in WWII and killed millions more people than Hitler and the rest did combined.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

You understand that an organisation doesn't automatically adopt the political leanings of its leaders, right?

This coming from the person who claims that gamergate is a harassment organization because of 3rd party trolls. The literal irony is so fucking palpable.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

LOL still buthurt about that huh?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[K10W]

Almost everything you think you know about Antifa is due to trolling. There are extensive troll campaigns out there involving fake Antifa accounts. Each tries to outdo each other with the most outrageous thing they can say to make gullible right wingers take them seriously.

"Antifa" has no ideology except hatred of Nazis and those espousing similar ideologies (general white supremecists). It is not a "group". It has no "leaders". No little black book. Nothing except "hates and will actively oppose Nazis and other white supremecists", and random people who are of that view describe themselves with the term Antifa. Not all people who identify as "Antifa" support violence as a means to counter Nazi activity (there's been a widespread "Is it okay to punch a Nazi?" debate since Richard Spencer was punched on camera). Of those who would answer that with "Yes", there's a further subset known as "Black Bloc"; which again is not an ideology but more of a style (dressing in black and actively physically engaging when Nazis and aligned groups come to town). The "Don't punch a Nazi" crowd thinks of them as counterproductive. Black Bloc style protesting existed before "Antifa"; before the most recent flareup, it was most commonly associated in the US with WTO protests.

To reiterate: Black Bloc does engage in violence - although you might have been misled about "innocent victims". To pick an example: the most famous viral video of Black Bloc actions was this attack. Who is that poor innocent victim? Why, that's Keith Campbell, known on Twitter as "PatriotWarriorMedia". He's involved in R.A.M. ("Rise Above Movement"), a group built specifically around active training to engage in street brawls with perceived leftists. Rather than all black, their hide-their-face approach is black skeleton masks.

What did Campbell have to say about that protest where he got beaten up beforehand? Why let's look!: "Fuck Antifa! Let them come to Berkeley on August 27th so we can kick their asses AGAIN! @1776RealNews @ProudBoysCA @BasedCops"

How did that work out for you, Keith?

Anyway, this is all secondary to my main point, which was to make you aware of the fact that the vast majority of "Antifa" accounts are just trolling to try to dupe gullible right wingers. My personal take on the whole thing? Black Bloc protesters and R.A.M. deserve each other, and both can go F* themselves as far as I'm concerned.

I get people not seeing it at first glance but they clearly are under the umbrella of larger groups and the major political parties use direct action groups as a blunt tool despite the individual members often not being aware of it. They do have leaders they just look like some loose affiliated collection of dudes from the outside. I know people who have been involved on both the extreme left and right in Europe, mainly the left but a few on the right. On a local level like the independent groups identifying as blackbloc are coordinated by someone, although not exactly a formal leader by any stretch. However these groups answer to someone who is a coordinater with some semblance of structure and order (despite the ones I knew mainly being a mess they sort of work) and they themselves interface with a mid

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

LOL still buthurt about that huh?

So tell me, what's it like knowing you're promoting a lie because something hurt your feelings? Right. You've been proven wrong, but it hurts you so much to admit that you fucked up and can't admit it. Talk about pathetic.

It also makes me wonder if you're just like the a-typical male feminist ally, who actually turns out to be an abuser of women and was just projecting the entire time. Guess time will tell on that one, just like all those other people including the current meltdown of neogaf.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

Wait, you have definitive evidence that it was 3rd party trolls? You can refute the IRC logs and all the other evidence? Please share.

Also, fuck you. Seriously, this is a new low.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Antifa isn't one big group, you ignorant fuck. If you sit on your couch and say "I dislike fascists," you are as official a member of antifa as anyone else. And now you can have the pleasure of hearing idiots on the internet constantly tell you what you believe.

So go do that. You should. Fascists are bad.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[fatwilbur]

"There's no need to over-think this" - I'd say this was the gist of Trump's response after the event with his "both sides" comment, and what a large amount of people agree with: doesn't matter what you were there to argue about if you showed up to start shit you're an idiot.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

You understand that an organisation doesn't automatically adopt the political leanings of its leaders, right?

Ahh so you support at least some Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

He did. Antifa started as a pro-communist and therefore anti-national socialist movement. Hell even the antifa flag is the dual "red and black" flags of communism and antifascism.

Denying it is to deny that the US is not linked to federalism or the UK is not linked to a monarchy.

But you are a smart person. You knew that. You only wanted to waste someone else's time and have no interest in facts or reality.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Is that a blue and black dress or a white and gold dress?

Facts, i.e. not subjective, measurable observations, can disagree with each other and still be facts.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[PaulRivers10]

Do you remember WW1, where 2 sides slaughtered each other because of 1 clumsy assassination after decades of antagonistic rhetoric back and forth? Antifa's claim is that there's a "good guy" in "jofferey fights ramsay bolton". In Germany the communists had regular street brawls with nazi brownshirts, the nazi's had more public support. After the communists were crushed they continued their street brawls with anyone they could find until the night of the long knives where hitler stepped in and arrested and shot their leaders, again with public support.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[PaulRivers10]

Maybe a better Russian to English translator.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Goose In Orbit]

AT least I have the balls to post with an account, moron

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[denzacar]

Oh... judging by your ID, comrade, I fear that you know the taste of Moscow snow far better than I.
Particularly of the yellow variety.

Which is fitting for a history revisionist Nazi defender pushing a tale of "fine people on both sides".
Too bad for you that people who hung the cunts you defend knew otherwise.

Benjamin Ferencz, a former US prosecutor in the war crimes trials, and one of the few people participants still alive to have taken part in the trials, returned to Nuremberg at the age of 90 to speak at the opening of the museum on the anniversary of the world's first war crimes trial.

Speaking at the inauguration of the new museum, Ferencz said, "When I left Germany for the first time after World War II and left Nuremberg, my biggest regret was that I never heard from any German saying 'I'm sorry.'

You might wanna take a refreshment course in some of the best TV ever made.
Cause it was about real people, real events, real history...
And last but not least, it shows the complicity not only of those "fine people" fighting only "because their country told them to fight" - but of civilians as well.

See... There's this thing about supporting and defending an ideology you might not be aware of... It makes that ideology your own.
You like the ideas - you simply must be thinking them too! Cause that's how that brain thing works!
You thought it - you bought it!

And you know what else THAT means! That's RIGHT! That's very right indeed! Very far right.
It means that you're a Nazi cunt - only more cowardly cause you don't have actual balls to go around shouting "Jews will not replace us."
You only have enough balls to troll online.

Now go back under the bridge you crawled under, you Nazi scum.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

Wait, you have definitive evidence that it was 3rd party trolls? You can refute the IRC logs and all the other evidence? Please share.

Considering the fbi investigation states as much, and those IRC logs have been disputed as fully taken out of context by Quinn? Yes. That's on top of all of those big name anti-GG people who were caught doxing people, along with people in CON itself who doxed people.

Also, fuck you. Seriously, this is a new low.

Considering you're displaying the same pattern of behavior? It wouldn't surprise me. After all, you seem to believe women need to be coddled. Just like all those other allies do.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

God you're a dunce. Do they pay you well to pretend to be this stupid?

Oh - and how's the weather in Beijing today?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

The FBI investigation includes confessions of those behind GamerGate. One guy admitted to sending harassing emails and said he knew that it was a federal crime... But for some inexplicable reason they decided not to prosecute him. Perhaps they felt that he was just a kid "joking around" on the internet or something.

The FBI wrote that he "understood that it was a federal crime to send a threatening communication to anyone and will never do it again".

Take this excert, for example: https://cdn.businessinsider.nl...

"Oh well, can't do anything about proxies, and it was just a joke anyway..." They had video and audio of another guy confessing to making 40 to 50 threatening phone calls, but did nothing about it.

In conclusion they wrote that "It is requested that this investigation be administratively closed due to lack of leads", hardly exonerating anyone.

Also, once again you profess to know what I believe and then prove otherwise. To be absolutely clear, I don't think women need to be coddled. You could at least apologise for suggesting I might be a rapist though. I'm all for robust, open debate but that was just nasty and uncalled for.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

Being against Nazis and fascists is a good thing; unfortunately, a lot of antifa rhetoric suggests that they think anyone further right than Bernie is a fascist or fascist enabler, and thus deserving of violence. Also, violence against fascists works great when they're large, organized, and ideally in another country. It's a shitty way to fight fascism when it's your own people - communists fighting Nazis in the streets was a huge help to the Nazis in their rise to power.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

Your defense is that "everybody who makes antifa look bad is a troll"? Seriously? There are some troll accounts, to be sure, but saying the vast majority of antifa accounts are trolls is ludicrous.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[beastofburdon]

Nice try, but no, taking the side of fascists will not convince the rest of us that they are not fascists.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[beastofburdon]

I see, every fact you don't like is either Trump Trumped it all up, or the "Russians" did it.
Grow up.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[tehcyder]

It also makes me wonder if you're just like the a-typical male feminist ally, who actually turns out to be an abuser of women and was just projecting the entire time. [twitter.com]

1. If you meant "a typical male..." the hyphen destroys your meaning.

2. If you meant "atypical" that means the opposite of what you intended.

3. I wonder if you're just another baby-raping Nazi like many of the Gamergate fuckturnips?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[tehcyder]

BLM has literally gone out and assassinated police officers

Timothy McVeigh was a Republican, therefore the Republican Party is a terrorist organisation. Right?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[tehcyder]

Antifa is the unreformed blackshirt German Communist party militant wing.

"Antifa" is a purely US thing. No one in Europe uses that name that I've ever heard of.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[tehcyder]

"The Left" in the US is not even socialist for the most part, never mind communist. The connection between moderate centrist social democrat types (as they would be in Europe) and actual Marxists is about as solid as that between moderately right wing Republicans and actual Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[DNS-and-BIND]

When Nazis vote for you, it's hard to tell the difference.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

The FBI investigation includes confessions of those behind GamerGate.

You mean the 13 year old kid who had no connections to gamergate that you're trying to claim that was part of gamergate? I guess that makes things easy, you can go read the document dump anytime you want. Then that other guy you're talking about who was the 3rd party troll? Who also stated they weren't part of gamergate and did it because they wanted to get a rise out of both sides? You might want to actually get off your ass and read the entire thing instead of relying on an excerpt. There's critical context missing form that.

Seems to me you're doing a great job of showing that you can't even read a document, let alone stand it. You don't think women need to be coddled? That seems to go fully against your own reasoning on multiple occasions.

You could at least apologise for suggesting I might be a rapist though. I'm all for robust, open debate but that was just nasty and uncalled for.

I'm holding you, to your standards. "Listen and believe." There's a point to it, and if you think on it you'll have figured it out. If on the other hand you haven't, I can explain it to you.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

3. I wonder if you're just another baby-raping Nazi like many of the Gamergate fuckturnips?

Sorry, that label is currently being held by anti-gamergate individuals and hollywood. Also members of the media who are rotting in the ground in the UK.

1. If you meant "a typical male..." the hyphen destroys your meaning.

US english, isn't the only version of english around.

2. If you meant "atypical" that means the opposite of what you intended.

See point 1.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

You mean the 13 year old kid who had no connections to gamergate that you're trying to claim that was part of gamergate?

On what evidence do you make that claim? In fact, how do you identify who is part of GamerGate and who is not?

Seems like a movement with no acknowledged leaders or membership roster can simply claim that any activity that makes them look bad was someone unaffiliated.

At the very least, it's a pretty shit idea to start a "consumer movement" based on anonymous membership and no central leadership structure, especially when a significant number of people using the hashtag it is organized around are trolls under FBI investigation. Can you explain why 'Gaters didn't do something about that?

You don't think women need to be coddled? That seems to go fully against your own reasoning on multiple occasions.

I'd suggest that you don't understand my reasoning.

"Listen and believe." There's a point to it, and if you think on it you'll have figured it out. If on the other hand you haven't, I can explain it to you.

Please do explain it.

The "listen and believe" thing cropped up again recently, didn't it? Cosby was only held to account, even after years of people saying he was too touchy-feely, when a male comedian called him a rapist. Turns out some women did complain about Wienstein, but even after that shocking recording of him harassing a young actress was made he was not prosecuted and others were not believed.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

On what evidence do you make that claim? In fact, how do you identify who is part of GamerGate and who is not?

Nice try pushing burden of proof on to others. You are the one making the bigger claim that there's a bunch of really really bad hombres and those bad hombres must be part of GG (you sound like Trump talking about illegal immigrants btw). You're undermining your own claims about GG when you say you don't know how to identity who is or isn't GG.

Seems like a movement with no acknowledged leaders or membership roster can simply claim that any activity that makes them look bad was someone unaffiliated.

What things "seem" like to you does not reflect reality. Even movements with acknowledged leaders or member rosters can deny responsibility. Whenever somebody faces a scandal, there's bound to be a bunch of folks from his company/political party/whatever coming out and insist that the organization does not share the values of the dude under fire. It's basic PR and damage control.

Can you explain why 'Gaters didn't do something about that?

The same reason you and those on the left don't do anything when people point to instances of bad behavior from those on the left, as you excuse yourselves by saying that you are not responsible for the actions of others, and how guilty by association is wrong.

I'd suggest that you don't understand my reasoning.

Your suggestion falls hollow given your observed behavior. You're like the guy who keeps saying "I'm not racist, but..."

The "listen and believe" thing cropped up again recently, didn't it?

What are you talking about? Crosby is going through trials. Some a dismissed, but some are/will proceed. Investigation is still going on about Weinstein.

Neither men are examples of "listen and believe". They are examples of law and order: they're going through due process. Each accusation is examined on a case by case basis to see which ones will go to court, and each trial will proceed according to process to determine which charges stick or not.

Good Luck

[Templer421]

Accomplishing this!

what about fat orange downies with nukes?

[Anonymous Coward]

or is threatening genocide cool if you can back it up?

Re:what about fat orange downies with nukes?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you get rid of violence, porn and our micro-handed draft dodger in-chief wtf is twitter any good for?

At that point all you have is a bunch of "white privilege" talk.

Re:what about fat orange downies with nukes?

[Nethemas the Great]

Naw, genocide is cool because $$$. It's the small time operators like ISIS, and Tsarnaev that can't get any love.

So Trump's twitter account will be turned off?

[Anonymous Coward]

Trump is about the most abusive poster on Twitter. Almost everything he posts can be considered hate speech.

Re:So Trump's twitter account will be turned off?

[Nethemas the Great]

No

Re:So Trump's twitter account will be turned off?

[vux984]

Given that's more than half of the giant Twit's own net worth he should be knocking on twitters door any day now to demand a cut...

Promoting the leftist agenda

[Okian Warrior]

I look forward to seeing Antifa accounts suspended.

Good luck with that.

A fuckton of people are on Gab after getting kicked off of twitter, and are running a thread Not Allowed on Twitter.

I realize this is probably a biased sample, but there's a lot of "*this* got me kicked off, while *that* is allowed" posts that highlight the double-standard.

It would seem that left-leaning posts are taken with a wink and a smile, while right-leaning posts are censored with an overreaching iron fist. It's often completely mysterious what twitter standards are violated; apparently talking about and linking to someone twitter doesn't like (such as Milo) is enough to get you banned, even if the actual text is pedestrian such as "I saw this guy speak last night and he was OK".

There was one post that came out completely against Nazis (saying things like "Nazis are bad, I don't condone nazis, and the like) and apparently used the word "nazi" too many times and got banned. All from completely unexciting text.

Here's an example of a post that's *allowed* on twitter.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[AmiMoJo]

Plenty of left leaning people get banned on Twitter too. Kevin Logan was banned last week for a relatively mild insult. Twitter is just bad at enforcing rules and is reliant on people reporting stuff.

The whole point of this change is to be proactive and enforce more consistently. I'm not sure it's a great idea but let's see how it works.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[Anonymous Coward]

A fuckton of people are on Gab after getting kicked off of twitter, and are running a thread Not Allowed on Twitter.

And as long as Gab shows a login screen instead of the thread that you linked to, Twitter will not need to worry about the competition.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[AmiMoJo]

Gab probably can't open up too much because then the lawsuits would start to fly. Being indexed by search engines and widely linked has that effect if you don't moderate your content.

Gab isn't safe anyway. The reason Milo for banned from Twitter and many speaking events is that he sets mobs on people and outs them against their will.

Re: Promoting the leftist agenda

[Anonymous Coward]

Setting mobs on people is pretty much a summary of what twitter is about.
I don't have an account(well anywhere really) but I've browsed through it quite a bit. It's a sad place full of people who are more righteous than the next guy. That includes the full spectrum- left to right.
Maybe it's good for a laugh when I'm bored, but an embarrassment as a human.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[Anonymous Coward]

Plenty like Randi Harper? She brags about how Twitter management has got her back while telling people to set themselves on fire when they criticize her hypocrisy. I doubt many on the left that engage in the same behavior as the right will see their accounts banned.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[DogDude]

Too bad nobody can look at what you posted.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[Cederic]

Aren't you in the UK? You should be more careful with libel laws, unless you have actual evidence that Milo sets mobs on people.

Peter Tatchell outed people against their will, has he been banned from Twitter?

Revenge porn is real? Where?

[Anonymous Coward]

I guarantee if you search for that you're just going to get a bunch of professional fake bullshit. In fact, I don't even think it actually exists at all so "ending" it should be pretty damn easy.

Re:Revenge porn is real? Where?

[_merlin]

Oh it happens, but I don't think it's as widespread as people try to claim. Heres's an example of it that got to court almost a decade ago: http://www.google.com.au/search?rls=en&q=giller+v+procopets.

Bump

[Anonymous Coward]

am I doing it right?

Pr0n for Twats?

[Anonymous Coward]

I did not know. How do I become a Twat so I can peruse the Pr0n? .links.

Suuuure They Are

[Greyfox]

That's impossible! The only way they could do that... oh... my... God! Twitter's going to KILL ALL HUMANS!

I'll believe it when...

[Baron_Yam]

They ban the POTUS' account. Most of it's just stupid shit that's 'not presidential', but some of it is hate-mongering.

Prediction: Twitter will continue to hide behind a bullshit exemption (if they acknowledge the exception at all) because Trump's bile draws eyeballs like a traffic accident.

Propaganda Network?

[AHuxley]

So what will this new SJW "internet" be like?
Positive news about communist parties and communist party history?
Really, really positive movie and actor reviews. Negative reviews get removed?
Reminders from governments about policy and laws?
Positive tourism stories?
Positive product reviews?

Re:Propaganda Network?

[Anonymous Coward]

Go watch a YouTube video about visiting North Korea and how their TV and entertainment work, and you'll get a good idea of what Twitter, Facebook, and Google properties are going to be like very soon. You know, until YouTube starts banning people who even watch content they don't approve of.

Re: Propaganda Network?

[Reverend Green]

It'll be just like the state-run newspapers in a Communist country. Only less well-written. And in support of socially degenerate forms of capitalism, rather than mild socialism.

(Fwiw, I currently live in a Communist country. The semi-official news media here are no worse than the semi-official news media in the States. Maybe a little better, because at least they are not pretending to be objective.)

al-awa2el.com

[AhmedKamel]

al-awa2el.com

[AhmedKamel]

Twitter becomes unrecoverable in 2 weeks

[MSTCrow5429]

Based on Twitter's abuse of its users by banning people who lack right-think, and the narrower and narrower that band becomes, they're just going to be banning most of its active users for "hatespeech," i.e. opinions whomever is looking at it thinks is wrong.

Re:Twitter becomes unrecoverable in 2 weeks

[Anonymous Coward]

Based on Twitter's abuse of its users by banning people who lack right-think, and the narrower and narrower that band becomes, they're just going to be banning most of its active users for "hatespeech," i.e. opinions whomever is looking at it thinks is wrong.

Translation: "I'm a Nazi supporter, and I'm bothered because Twitter is banning Nazis".

Re:Twitter becomes unrecoverable in 2 weeks

[MSTCrow5429]

Oh, Mein Herr! You've found me out! Achtung!

so in two weeks

[bobmajdakjr]

so in two weeks trump will be banned?

We are against nazis

[SuperKendall]

That is exactly why many of us think Anti-Fa should be shut down, they are modern browncoats who use violence against the Other in exactly the same way.

Real "nazis" are not giving peaceful talks and demonstrations, real nazis are the ones hurting other people and damaging property and shutting down speech because it goes against the Party.

Re:We are against nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

Most of Anti-Fa will go away when the nazis are gone. It will be a lot easier to shut down Anti-Fa then since it will only be the radical nutjobs remaining.
Also, Anti-Fa mainly targets nazis while nazis targets innocents.
I say we get rid of the nazis first and remove what is left of Anti-Fa after.

Re:We are against nazis

[Anonymous Coward]

...they are modern browncoats ...

I think the word you were looking for was brownshirts, as in the group that was the original paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party.

Browncoats are fans of the sci-fi series Firefly, and I don't think they've resorted to street level violence to get the series back on TV yet...

So Jack and DeRay are best buds, right?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm sure these rules will be applied equally and anti-white tweets will get you suspended while pro-black and pro-white tweets are fine, right guys? R-right?

Oh, they can't hear me, I've been banned for boycotting Israel.

Casablanca

[Anonymous Coward]

It's still a damn classic of a movie.

Rick couldn't return to the US for more or less the reason you described: before WW2 he fought against the fascists in both Spain and Ethiopia and so was viewed with suspicion.

You're jealous...

[denzacar]

Oh wait, you were serious. You actually think that AntiFa are national socialists. The group whose sole shared goal is opposing the far right, are also the far right.

Cause you're not properly insane for that to make sense.

free speech as in cake

[Anonymous Coward]

I was once more than a little obsessed with understanding the fundamental nature of so called "Free Speech" via the internet. The issue seemed to get a lot of play in the 95-05 era when the internet went mainstream. I still wish more people would acknowledge the importance of the issue. It relates directly to all of these issues. Obviously Twitter is just one company that can choose their clientelle as arbitrarily as a wedding cake maker.

There. Fixed that for ya...

[denzacar]

Got news for you: A lot of the original Nazis were also just cowards waving the flag.

Got news for you: ALL of the original Nazis were also just cowards waving the flag.

It's one of their main features.
Along with being white, without a sense of humor and being convinced in their own racial superiority in order to compensate for a raging inferiority complex.

The rest is just symbols and slogans.

'There are some bad guys out there.....'

[TiggertheMad]

Well.....shit....This pretty much put an end to the POTUS's account.....

Soo... by November 3rd...

[denzacar]

The turd in the White House will be banned from Twitter?

Hmm... Wonder if it will try to nuke North Korea in order to get the attention. Or maybe Mexico.
Will instagram save the world and life as we know it by taking the proverbial bullet?
Or maybe Facebook? Tinder? Grindr? Fart-app du jour?

Re: Soo... by November 3rd...

[Anonymous Coward]

Grow up Trump saved is from Killary

Re: Soo... by November 3rd...

[Reverend Green]

I wasn't aware Twitter had any other active users besides Emperor Trump. Really does seem like they spend an awful lot of QE money on a service no one still uses.

Re: Soo... by November 3rd...

[Anonymous Coward]

And when he starts a nuclear war with North Korea, how many people will die?

Re: Soo... by November 3rd...

[Anonymous Coward]

if (N >= POP("North Korea")) {
        print("Trump Wins!!!!");
}

Re: Soo... by November 3rd...

[Anonymous Coward]

I used to feel sorry for pussy-turds like you when you got beat up in high school. Now I wish I would have joined in on the beatings.

not hate speech

[Anonymous Coward]

Since hate speech exists only in twisted imaginings of nibberizing Trotsky spew and leprous SJW drool we can eliminate ... the elimination. Slap down progressive dik-dykes and emotocentric guilt-sluts ; hate vanishes.

Re: not hate speech

[Anonymous Coward]

Sure you're using the right dictionary, Ivan?

driven mad by capitalism

[Reverend Green]

Feeling outraged but can't figure out why? Invent something!

This happens a lot, I suspect.

Donâ(TM)t use it donâ(TM)t care.

[Anonymous Coward]

Subject says it all.

Only IMMANENT and PHYSICAL harm counts

[Anonymous Coward]

That's not what self defense means.

It's not self-defense unless there's someone that a reasonable person (not someone angry) would expect to cause physical harm to you right now. No, some kind of nebulous harm to society doesn't count, nor do words, nor does anything in the future. You have to prove they were using fists or weapons right now. Fighting words (extreme provocation) is basically dead. The standard is a reasonable person, not someone who is angry and spoiling for a fight.

Don't forget:

[Anonymous Coward]

A lot of Nazis were integrated into the American Science and Intelligence communities.

Combine that with Evangelical Christians and the large proportion of religious nationalists (white and otherwise) in control of large swaths of the extralegal arms of the American apparatus and there are real and present dangers to the fundamental and supposedly self-evidence truths the country was claimed to be founded on (the reality is left to your interpretation of the history books, and my interpretation is quite pessimistic.)

Close Trump's account

[MoarSauce123]

That cuts 90% of the hate speech on Twitter in a single action.

Re:Close Trump's account

[Anonymous Coward]

that doesn't make any sense.

Get out the flamethrowers

[Shogun37]

"It's all right to punch a nazi." What. The. Hell? Did all you mouth breathing ignorant sisterfuckers sleep ALL the way through History class? Or is it true that the Constitution is a dead letter? Go back and READ (not just believe what some libtard told you) about the American Revolution and why the First Amendment was so important. And then go and READ the First Amendment. Nowhere does it say that "free speech is only for people we agree with." Or "if I disagree with you I can punch you in the mouth." And, if Nazis REALLY need punching, what gives you the right to take a swing!? Do you truly believe that you have some God-given right to cesnsure what other people can hear? Seriously? Because I know which side says we're all to stupid to run our own lives. If you really want to "fight nazis," the way is simple...make sure everyone hears them. Modern nazis are so far from what they claim as their roots to be laughable. Antifa is nothing more than a group of hired thugs. Look into their history. I know the people who disagree with me won't do any of their own research. They'll just wait for the CNN download, straight to the cortex (what little they have.) Freedom only works, if it's for everyone. Especially the ones we don't agree with and wish would just shut up.

Re:Get out the flamethrowers

[Anonymous Coward]

The fact you are sitting at 1 is sad proof of how far /. has fallen. Free speech, but only if I agree with it. Soon you'll become as backwards as Canada and the UK where speech if audited by a non-Government group (Human Rights tribunal in Canada) and those with the most sensitive feelings. Grow the fuck up people and develop a thicker skin. If words are causing you that much pain, go back to mommy and get reintegrated into her uterus until you can be a useful member of society, not a whiny prat who spends their life pissing and moaning about what someone said being hurtful. And for those that want to punch a NAZI in the face, go to Zimbabwe or Uganda or Saudi Arabia or Iran or Syria or Russia and punch to your hearts content. Be sure to have a will so your friends and family can benefit from your death.

Re:Get out the flamethrowers

[Shogun37]

Thank you for proving my point.

Good

[Anonymous Coward]

I hate "unwanted sexual advance" and "revenge porn". Hell I hate all "hate speech". I think we ought to take all these hateful...

"self defense"

[SuperKendall]

I always thought it was kind of hilarious that some people define "self defense" as "I'll strike first". That's not how this works.. that's not how any of this works.

"Self defense" is in reaction to physical harm, I'm hard pressed to say how any of the AntiFa members have been harmed by the shops whose windows they are breaking, the cars they are torching, nor indeed any of the supposed nazis they are punching...

Remember kids, words are not violence, and if you treat them as if they are the law will come down on you very, very hard. And rightfully so.

Re:"self defense"

[PopeRatzo]

I always thought it was kind of hilarious that some people define "self defense" as "I'll strike first".

You know, I agree. Those "stand your ground" laws have always been wrong, on so many levels, because they give people who really want to perpetrate violence an opportunity.

I guess the legal definition of self-defense is a pretty good compromise:

n. the use of reasonable force to protect oneself or members of the family from bodily harm from the attack of an aggressor, if the defender has reason to believe he/she/they is/are in danger.

A case could be made that if someone tells you that they want ethnic cleansing, and you happen to be one of the ones who they want to ethnically cleanse, and they're part of a group that has a history of ethnic cleansing, the legal definition of "self-defense" could certainly apply.

Americanised puritan Internet

[dddux]

This looks like the start of American puritan censorship of the Internet. It's going to be groovy... just imagine, all avatars have to be fully dressed up and appropriate for kids. All posts with swear words will have *beep* put instead, or *beeeeeeeeeeep* for longer swear words. Next up you will get banned for saying anything against the government. Now what does that remind me of... China? Russia? The authoritarians are coming. It's going to be great. /sarc

Well... In that case, I got good news for ya.

[denzacar]

They're not metaphors any more.
Nor were they ever for the readin folk.

Apparently there are Nazis around here.

[denzacar]

And as is their custom, they are retarded and cowardly, trying to moderate down the truth of the their own cowardice and mental (and other) retardation.
But that ain't how it works...

Got news for you: A lot of the original Nazis were also just cowards waving the flag.

Got news for you: ALL of the original Nazis were also just cowards waving the flag.

It's one of their main features.
Along with being white, without a sense of humor and being convinced in their own racial superiority in order to compensate for a raging inferiority complex.

The rest is just symbols and slogans.

Soo... by November 3rd... again...

[denzacar]

Oh look! Some precious snowflakes can't take all the winning their Twitler in Chief is providing them with.
So they try to moderate down comments pointing out his racist Nazi ways.
Cause that works real well against the powers of Copy and Paste.

Anyway... November 3rd?
By then, the turd in the White House will be banned from Twitter?

Hmm... Wonder if it will try to nuke North Korea in order to get the attention. Or maybe Mexico.
Will instagram save the world and life as we know it by taking the proverbial bullet?
Or maybe Facebook? Tinder? Grindr? Fart-app du jour?