Twitter Plans To End Revenge Porn Next Week, Hate Speech In Two (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: In the beginning of 2017, Twitter said it would take on harassment and hate speech. CEO Jack Dorsey said the company would embrace a "completely new approach to abuse on Twitter" with open dialogue along the way. For months, though, the company has offered few details about what it would do, or when. That changed late yesterday, when Twitter posted a timeline with specific promises on actions it will take. The changes begin next week. On October 27, Twitter will expand what types of "non-consensual nudity" (aka "revenge porn") that it takes action against. The company will already act when a victim complains, but Twitter will soon act even in cases where the victims may not be aware images were taken, instances like upskirt photos and hidden webcams. "Anyone we identify as the original poster of non-consensual nudity will be suspended immediately," the October entry reads. On November 3, Twitter will ban hate imagery in profile headers and avatars, and the service will start suspending accounts "for organizations that use violence to advance their cause." The same day it will institute a policy of stopping "Unwanted Sexual Advances," although the company says it has already been taking enforcement actions on this front. Later in November, Twitter will ban "hateful display names."

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Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[turkeydance]

x will be suspended immediately. y, too.

Re:Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't you worry one bit lad! Twitter's banbot has been updated with the latest AI and anyone posting pictures of glasses of milk, the OK fingersign, any frogs whatsoever, or any posting with the letters "k", "e" and another "k" in it will be immediately banned without possibility of appeal. Our staff are diligently scanning 4chan to maintain the most up-to-date hate speech monitoring as well, so new memes will immediately result in more mass bans to keep our platform free of the villainy of hate speech retroactively!

Yours,
Twitter

Re:Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[Anonymous Coward]

Welcome to the future, comrades!

Twitter: Building the Radiant Future one Goosestep at a time!

Re:Anyone we identify as the original poster of

[desdinova 216]

so how soon will Trump get the banstick?

"violence to advance their cause"

[JesseMcDonald]

... the service will start suspending accounts "for organizations that use violence to advance their cause."

No more government-sanctioned posts on Twitter, then? Good riddance.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[rossz]

I look forward to seeing Antifa accounts suspended.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

It’s a strange world we live in where being against Nazis and Fascists is made out to be a bad thing. Did everyone forget WWII?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[aristotle-dude]

I look forward to seeing Antifa accounts suspended.

Violence against nazis, white supremacists and fascists is acceptable. It's always been acceptable and it always will be acceptable. It may not be politically correct to punch nazis, but that's too bad. Suck it up, buttercup.

Violence against nazis, white supremacists and fascists is part of our heritage. You're not trying to destroy our heritage, are you?

Here is the problem. ANTIFA are Nazis. They look like Nazis and act like Nazis. They just do not know what a Nazi is.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[fibonacci8]

Go a few steps further: Start flying the 48-star United states flag from when we actually went to war with nazis, because heritage. Spoiler Alert: Hawaii and Alaska became states afterward.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[fibonacci8]

And yes, I'm aware Ohio is bad at filing paperwork and didn't get "admitted to the union" until 1953.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Nethemas the Great]

Unless this includes a policy reversal, Trump still get's a pass since he's basically their financial lifeline right now--err em, excuse me... I mean "news worthy."

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem is they define anyone who doesn't vote their way as a Nazi..beating up harmless people just because they didn't vote Hillary. Sorry..you got no good leg to stand on in defense of them....

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

So you advocate and condone political violence as long as it's against people called nazis, white supremacists and fascists (also known as the favored epithets for conservatives)? Great, but have a thing called "the law" and it doesn't make exceptions for stuff like that.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Rockoon]

Here is the problem. ANTIFA are Nazis. They look like Nazis and act like Nazis. They just do not know what a Nazi is.

Actually they are fascists that think themselves marxists.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Nethemas the Great]

That may be the US' more recent history. However, traditionally from its founding it has rather been quite the other way around. The revolt of the alt-right is just trying to put things back in their historical positions, albeit with a modern, "tiki-torch" kind of flare.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Nethemas the Great]

Trump said some were good people.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[MightyMartian]

The English-speaking world spent six long years beating the living fuck out of every Nazi we could get our hands. Nazis need good beatings, it seems to be the only thing that finally gets them to settle down.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mike Van Pelt]

Opposition to *actual* Nazis is a good thing.

Antifa, however, just asserts that anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi, and that assertion is sufficient to justify any sort of violence they want to perpetrate. Their definition of "Nazi" seems to be anyone to the right of an ever-leftward-rushing line. Barbara Boxer recently ran afoul of them. Lately, they seem to be including the ACLU in their list of Nazi organizations.

Did everyone forget Pol Pot? That's where they seem to be heading.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[MightyMartian]

No BLM has not, and has decried such attacks.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

hilarious and original

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[rogoshen1]

really? I just see two sides of the same shit-eating coin.

The only silver lining to their shenanigans is that their behavior does more to hinder their cause than anything their opposition could ever do. It's almost like they're both false flags setup to discredit fringe/extremist viewpoints.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Major_Disorder]

Indeed... the orange troll-in-chief being top of the list...

Far be it from me to say anything positive about his Trumpyness.
But he really isn't orange anymore. Maybe he is too busy failing to repeal Obamacare to get a fake tan. If so at least something good came out of that. :)

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Rei]

Almost everything you think you know about Antifa is due to trolling. There are extensive troll campaigns out there involving fake Antifa accounts. Each tries to outdo each other with the most outrageous thing they can say to make gullible right wingers take them seriously.

"Antifa" has no ideology except hatred of Nazis and those espousing similar ideologies (general white supremecists). It is not a "group". It has no "leaders". No little black book. Nothing except "hates and will actively oppose Nazis and other white supremecists", and random people who are of that view describe themselves with the term Antifa. Not all people who identify as "Antifa" support violence as a means to counter Nazi activity (there's been a widespread "Is it okay to punch a Nazi?" debate since Richard Spencer was punched on camera). Of those who would answer that with "Yes", there's a further subset known as "Black Bloc"; which again is not an ideology but more of a style (dressing in black and actively physically engaging when Nazis and aligned groups come to town). The "Don't punch a Nazi" crowd thinks of them as counterproductive. Black Bloc style protesting existed before "Antifa"; before the most recent flareup, it was most commonly associated in the US with WTO protests.

To reiterate: Black Bloc does engage in violence - although you might have been misled about "innocent victims". To pick an example: the most famous viral video of Black Bloc actions was this attack. Who is that poor innocent victim? Why, that's Keith Campbell, known on Twitter as "PatriotWarriorMedia". He's involved in R.A.M. ("Rise Above Movement"), a group built specifically around active training to engage in street brawls with perceived leftists. Rather than all black, their hide-their-face approach is black skeleton masks.

What did Campbell have to say about that protest where he got beaten up beforehand? Why let's look!: "Fuck Antifa! Let them come to Berkeley on August 27th so we can kick their asses AGAIN! @1776RealNews @ProudBoysCA @BasedCops"

How did that work out for you, Keith?

Anyway, this is all secondary to my main point, which was to make you aware of the fact that the vast majority of "Antifa" accounts are just trolling to try to dupe gullible right wingers. My personal take on the whole thing? Black Bloc protesters and R.A.M. deserve each other, and both can go F* themselves as far as I'm concerned.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

No. Thats never been the case. We didnt go to war with the Nazis because "they said hateful things". Actions not words.

You think we just killed the Nazis that burned Jews? No, my friend, we killed every Nazi we could. If you put on the swastika and saluted Hitler, you were a target. Nothing has changed.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Naw, man. It's easy to tell the Nazis from Antifa. The Nazis are the ones with swastikas, throwing up the Hitler salute and talking about a "white ethnostate".

I can make shit up too. It's amazing what you can do with Photoshop these days.

The fact of the matter is that so far, only one side here has resorted to actual physical violence, and it's not the side you're pretending are "nazis."

The fact of the matter is that "antifa" could better be called Anti-First Amendment. They're a violent left-wing hate group that routinely assaults peaceful gatherings of people doing nothing more than exercising their First Amendment rights. Notice how it's the "nazis" always being punched, and not doing the punching? Most people have nothing to fear from these so-called "white nationalists." They're harmless.

Antifa, on the other hand - those people scare me. They bring nothing but hate and violence. They are anti-American and anti-First Amendment. They are a danger to society and need to be stopped.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey PopeRatzo, figured you'd be on this thread.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

Funniest thing I've read this week.

Oh wait, you were serious. You actually think that AntiFa are national socialists. The group whose sole shared goal is opposing the far right, are also the far right.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[aliquis]

As long as we're killed to bury you it's all fine.

So where to they draw the line?

Is this included? https://is.gd/ds2qgI

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

I can make shit up too. It's amazing what you can do with Photoshop these days.

Do you believe every single news outlet in the world is using a photoshopped image of a Nazi being punched?

Here a local Florida newspaper:

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/...

And here's a British newspaper:

https://www.independent.co.uk/...

And here's a video of Richard Spencer being punched, just because it's so fun to watch:

https://youtu.be/9rh1dhur4aI

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[narcc]

Yeah, it's not like Nazi's would drive a car in to a crowd of people or shout racial slurs while firing a gun at someone in a crowd or anything...

Yeah, all that stuff must have been "fake news", right?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

Do you have a link for the Barbara Boxer thing? The only thing I could find was a tweet by a fake Twitter account.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[slew]

And yes, I'm aware Ohio is bad at filing paperwork and didn't get "admitted to the union" until 1953.

That's why I only fly the 47-star flag.

Better keep that safe ;^) Those 47 star flags are fetching a pretty penny on Ebay...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-...

Trivia alert: of course that's not because of the Ohio thing, it's because it's an unofficial flag celebrating NM. Technically, new flags are only officially adopted on July 4th and NM entered the union in Jan and AZ entered in Feb one month later...

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Except for these arent nazis. They are just cowards waving the flag.

Got news for you: A lot of the original Nazis were also just cowards waving the flag.

It's simple: You wave the Nazi flag, you're a Nazi. There's no need to over-think this.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[magarity]

Violence against nazis, white supremacists and fascists is acceptable. It's always been acceptable and it always will be acceptable.

Amazingly, this is incorrect. Volunteers from the US who went to help the Spanish again fascists before the outbreak of WW2 were labelled communists for their trouble and prohibited from joining the regular US Army.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Alypius]

It's too bad. They're much closer to Mao's Red Guards than Marxists.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Trivia alert: of course that's not because of the Ohio thing, it's because it's an unofficial flag celebrating NM. Technically, new flags are only officially adopted on July 4th and NM entered the union in Jan and AZ entered in Feb one month later...

And yet, that 47-star flag on ebay was posted from Columbiana, Ohio.

Now you know the rest of the story. Coincidence? Perhaps not.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

https://twitter.com/URageULose...

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes? The first was an instance of Antifa agitators purposely surrounding a guy in a car, who then panicked and ran one of the rioters over. Considering that anyone doing anything with a gun these days is latched upon by the Gun Grabbers in microseconds, the fact that I can't even begin to guess what you're talking about for the second one says enough. Plenty of shooting incidents where people died can be tied back to Antifa and BLM, though... (Weird how the Gun Grabbers neglect to mention who's doing the shooting, isn't it?)

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[SuperKendall]

According to Twitter, no violence is acceptable, so if that is the policy all Antifa related accounts should be terminated. It doesn't matter how you feel about violence being acceptable, what matters in this case are Twitter's term of service.

P.S. if you endorse a philosophy where it is OK to use violence against people, they it is equally OK for them to use violence against you because hey, they also think you are fascists. That is why advocating for violence on any grounds is never very smart, because there is always someone who can classify you as being within the bounds you yourself set.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[lucasnate1]

Remind me, when did ANTIFA build concentration camps and kill millions?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

And the masked antifa goons who are out and about beating the shit out of people who hold signs like "I SUPPORT FREE SPEECH"? Those are some pretty dedicated trolls.

Masks suggest bad intentions, and it seems like all of the "black bloc" antifa are wearing them, while none of the conservatives do.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

If Antifa is serious about violence against Nazis, why haven't the gone after admitted Nazi collaborator George Soros?

Oh, that's right, because he bankrolls their operations through his "Open Society Foundation".

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Stop commenting on your own comments PopeRatzo. Why are you trolls even on slashdot? Go back to tumbler. Or are you paid to be here. Does seem like it's your 9 to 5.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Baron_Yam]

>The Russians deserve a helluva lot of credit too

No shit. If they hadn't become 'the enemy' we'd probably still feel badly about how much they got burned by the Great Patriotic War.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Aighearach]

http://webcache.googleusercont...

Nazis are the ones who give nazi salutes and get arrested for attempted murder and being felons in possession of firearms.

Antifa are the ones who fight said nazis with just batons and courage.

If you can't tell them apart, you're probably a nazi.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Times change. It used to be patriotic to kill injuns. Not so much today.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[denzacar]

It may not be politically correct to punch nazis, but that's too bad.

Maybe to Nazis it's not politically correct. To anyone else with a modicum of moral fiber it is commendable.
People have even gotten medals and shit for KILLING Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Aighearach]

Antifa doesn't refer to an organization that you could track that way.

These are mostly groups that were formed this year, in the USA, not in Germany or somewhere, and they haven't killed anybody.

You're a prime example of a nazi moron, talking big behind an Anonymous Coward screen!

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Aighearach]

Yeah, and Apple thought everybody was going to pronounce SCSI as "sexy."

What somebody intended is not the same thing as what actually happened.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Oceanplexian]

Do you believe every single news outlet in the world is

Before the 2016 election, I would have laughed at you for claiming that "every single outlet in the world [is wrong]". But we live in strange times, and news outlets aren't based in reality. At best, they report things that make money, or that garner eyeballs. At worst, they mislead the public to push political agendas and issues that benefit their shareholders and owners. And yeah, they frequently all report the wrong facts together, in a sort of hysteria. If you work in IT this phenomenon is obvious. A popular consensus of stupidity does not make an idea (or a news article) any less stupid.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

"Antifa" has no ideology except hatred of Nazis and those espousing similar ideologies (general white supremecists). It is not a "group". It has no "leaders".

Hmm...that doesn't seem to be the case, hell the original antifa which they'll claim they're based off of had leaders and even openly supported communism. You find an antifa in the street and you can bet that they'll be hoping for a commie revolution along the way. The difference between a nazi and antifa are the side of the coin they're on, that's it. They both had leaders, they both have an ideology.

Antifa just happens to be engaging in the tactics that caused the same problem as last time. Namely violently assaulting anyone who doesn't bow and scrape to them.

I will agree that the vast majority of antifa accounts are there to troll. But what I find interesting is the number of communist LARPers that openly support them as well, and have a long history of supporting these tactics to "overthrow western society" and so on.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

Trump said some were good people.

On both sides no less. Oh I know, it's so hard when someone makes that comment about there being good people on both sides. Or shall we just say that since ABC, NBC, CBS and so on came out asking "is it okay to punch a nazi" and several commentators argued in favor for it, that they're actually all neo-fascist organizations bent on overthrowing capitalist society and you're the bulwark in their defense.

See how easy it is?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

I love your logic. I'll use it to just label anyone I don't like as a nazi, white supremacist, or fascist and then punch them out! No proof needed, my claim is absolute, and I'm the righteous one because THEY are the bad guy. Why? Because I said so.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[WorBlux]

Members of two violent gangs go looking for a fight. If fight ensues, they are both criminals. The danger is the conflict will grow, and more people looking for a cause and personal meaning will take up with one side or another.

And the antifa does have a particular ideological profile even it they aren't formally organized. (A activist tactic to avoid or route around police interference). The Jesish Rabbi council is definitely against Nazi's, but I would guess they tend to be pretty pro-capitalism. There is definitely a common ground of post-marxist critical theory and a tendency towards direct action outside of political channels. Trolls aside they do actually believe in a lot of left-wing nonsense.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Rei]

Hmm...that doesn't seem to be the case, hell the original antifa which they'll claim they're based off of had leaders and even openly supported communism.

"They" don't claim anything. Fake troll twitter accounts claim things. What part about this aren't you understanding?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

"They" don't claim anything. Fake troll twitter accounts claim things. What part about this aren't you understanding?

What part of get off your ass and ask them in the streets aren't you understanding with this? Many of them absolutely do claim those things, hell you can even find indie journos like Tim Pool who were doxed and harassed by antifa for bringing this to light. The german state didn't shut down indymedia in a vacuum.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Rei]

Seriously, google antifa troll campaign. It isn't that hard.

They're fishing for gullible right-wingers. Amusing how well it works.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[elrous0]

Violence against nazis, white supremacists and fascists is acceptable. It's always been acceptable and it always will be acceptable.

No, it hasn't.

Liberals used to stand up for free speech. I was proud to be among them back then.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Story 1: single person saves man from being beaten up by an Antifa crowd
Story 2: group who came to hear a man talk had to pull a gun to defend themselves after Antifa started vandalizing their car with weapons

Oh, yeah, Antifa comes off sounding really peaceful there.

What is wrong with you?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[rossz]

Antifa's definition of nazi is anyone who is to the right of Joseph Stalin.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[elrous0]

Except one side defines "Nazi" as anyone who disagrees with their extremist social and political decisions. And even if they were fighting only actual neo-Nazis, adopting every negative trait of a Nazi to fight a Nazi only makes you a hypocrite, not a freedom fighter.

And you had better remember that the precedent and laws you set today will be turned against you tomorrow. Punch a Nazi today and tomorrow *you* may be the Nazi that someone has decided that it's okay to punch.

And anyway, I don't want to live in a U.S. where the only freedom allowed is the freedom to agree.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Except one side defines "Nazi" as anyone who disagrees with their extremist social and political decisions.

You repeat that canard, but it's just not true. We're talking about literal Nazis, promoting literal ethnic cleansing using literal swastikas. Just because they put a picture of Pepe next to the swastika doesn't make them less Nazi.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[elrous0]

And what are you going to say when the tide turns and everyone decides it's okay to punch Marxists?

Just remember that the precedent you set today can be turned against you tomorrow.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[blackomegax]

Keep your gaslighting nonsense in /r/T_D

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

It scares me that you don't realize that Kekikstan and Pepe are just jokes and you're just feeding the trolls.

You're the kind of idiot who comes out of watching The Producers thinking Mel Brooks must really love Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[blackomegax]

Either you're an idiot, or someone went to a LOT of trouble to have a 6 fucking digit sockpuppet.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[drinkypoo]

Antifa, however, just asserts that anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi

[citation needed]

and that assertion is sufficient to justify any sort of violence they want to perpetrate.

You mean like your bullshit, unsupported assertion that Antifa asserts that anyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi?

Hypocrite.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[PopeRatzo]

Spoken as you straddled Wernher Von Braun's throbbing memeber, hey, you dumb fuck?

I don't think we have to worry about there being any rocket scientists among the current crop of Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[a.e.brownlee.iv]

... the service will start suspending accounts "for organizations that use violence to advance their cause."

No more government-sanctioned posts on Twitter, then? Good riddance.

I wish I could mod this up to a 6.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[magarity]

Yes but that was before they were metaphors.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[aliquis]

You need to learn how to do actual argumentation.

Or rather; stuck to what you can't. Never learn. It will be better that way and you'll just be an annoyance.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Aighearach]

Squirrel!!!

Not convinced.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[aliquis]

... and I do it again.. should had been stick. Whatever :D
I was reformulating what I wanted to say while writing it.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

So you approve of people beating you up? After all, you *are* one of the biggest fascists on Slashdot.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

Antifa are NOT Communists. We want nothing whatsoever to do with those brownshirt capitalist thugs.

They demonstrate no socialist economic awareness and no solidarity with working people. They are nothing more than paid agents and unpaid dupes of big money.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

How's the weather in Kiev today?

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

The medals were for heroism in battle. That is, for killing German soldiers. Most of those soldiers were not members of the Nazi party. They were fighting because their country told them to fight.

Our soldiers were doing the same thing: fighting because their country told them to fight. That's what soldiers do. That's what military heroism is about. Politics, Nazi, anti-Nazi, and otherwise had nothing to do with it.

Now stop lying, stop astroturfing, and go enjoy the Moscow snow.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

Do they work out of the same troll factory where you are employed?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[preflex]

What's the difference between a fake Twitter account and a real Twitter account? Even if the user is fake, the account is still real, right? Does it mean there's a fake Twitter, like Twittter.com, for example?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Gryle]

Cite your source on that. And don't tell me to "go do my homework". You made the claim, you back it up.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

"Here is the problem. ANTIFA are Nazis. They look like Nazis and act like Nazis. They just do not know what a Nazi is." - no they are not, they are a reaction to a problem, if the problem didn't exist nor would they. They might look like it if you side with the original problem i.e. the small minded bigots.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

"But Antifa isn't that bright, and is now a threat to people who just want to be left the fuck alone, by everyone." - what? the small minded bigoted white supremacist nazi lovers want to be left alone? If the bigots went away then Antifa would naturally disappear.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Coward]

Considering that republicans have lowered the bar for being a communist to "supports universal healthcare", then yes, I guess most of the USA is probably communist.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

unfortunately these white supremacist supporters are conspiracy nuts. they get upset when someone reacts to their bigotry and don't let them get away with it. they want the freedom to do what they want but don't want anyone else to have that freedom if its a direct reaction to their enjoyment of bigotry.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

if they behaved like the KKK, nazis sympathisers, white supremacists etc then it will be alright to have a reactionary group against them.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

that was a case of mistaken identity, so your interpretation of a valid citation is crap

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

provide some evidence for that link to communists. You must be so far right that anyone one inch to the left of you is communist

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Barsteward]

don't remember reading that anywhere, can you provide links so we can all read it and see if your interpretation is correct

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[NettiWelho]

that was a case of mistaken identity, so your interpretation of a valid citation is crap

Oh, so violence isn't violence when its done to a random passerby who didn't support the imaginary political alignment(german nationalist socialist party is extinct) of your choosing???

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[NettiWelho]

It's simple: You wave the Nazi flag, you're a Nazi. There's no need to over-think this.

No, if you wave a _nazi_ flag you're FBI agent provocateur

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

Considering that republicans have lowered the bar for being a communist to "supports universal healthcare", then yes, I guess most of the USA is probably communist.

Considering that democrats have lowered the bar for being a nazi to "anyone who supports the 1st amendment or gun rights", then yes, I guess most of the USA is probably nazi's.

Do you see how stupid your reasoning is?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[NettiWelho]

We're talking about literal Nazis, promoting literal ethnic cleansing using literal swastikas.

Nazis are dead, the party is banned in the country which is tied to the name. Only ones doing this with obsoleted german flags are FBI agent provocateurs looking for chumps to jail and trolls who won't carry any action into real world.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[NettiWelho]

Yeah, it's not like Nazi's would drive a car in to a crowd of people or shout racial slurs while firing a gun at someone in a crowd or anything...

Yeah, all that stuff must have been "fake news", right?

Prove he had a GERMAN NATIONALIST SOCIALIST PARTY card/membership, I fucking dare you!

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

The "wrong facts"? No. Just no.

There are no alternate facts. That's post-truth bullshit. Mistakes happen, but that doesn't mean you should just pick the alternate facts that suit your political leaning.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

If I ever decide that genocide is okay or some group is sub-human, feel free to punch me.

By the way, your signature makes you look silly now. Your prediction was way off the mark.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

You understand that an organisation doesn't automatically adopt the political leanings of its leaders, right?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

The fake one claims to be "AntiFa Boston" but is actually someone in an office in Moscow. They post deliberately inflammatory stuff to engage the right wing.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[poity]

My grandfather was imprisoned and tortured by Marxists. Our family of educators was largely dispossessed because of their associations with anti-revolutionary entities (western friends and colleagues). Despite what they did on the personal scale and their policies that resulted in millions dying, I still don't believe I have a right to initiate force against people who hold Marxist beliefs. Am I in the right or in the wrong here?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[lgw]

Someone did give Hitler a good slap. It helped propel him to his political career, so he'd be the one doing the slapping.

But it's interesting to see you embrace the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive attack. As long as you're sure your attacking a Bad Person, it's OK to be the side initiating violence? I think that's what you're saying. Think about what happens when the other side starts doing the same.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Cederic]

I'm going to create a twitter account and report any account that ever used #punchanazi for advocating and encouraging violence.

That should help them.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

It wouldn't be preemptive if it was Richard Spencer. He has already called for ethic cleansing through violence if necessary.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Hal_Porter]

Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[elrous0]

By the way, your signature makes you look silly now. Your prediction was way off the mark.

LOL. Keep watching, You'll be eating those words soon.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[dfenstrate]

What a load of crap. You brown shirts went after Ben Shapiro in Berkeley. You're violent, nasty thugs who have no place in a civil society. I'm thankful that Berkeley, of all places, had the good sense to realize that law and order must be maintained, and properly secured his second appearance.

You have chosen to live by the sword; push the rest of us too far, you will die by it as well. Fortunately even left-wing mayors and college administrators are starting to realize it's best to prevent you from starting your next riot.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[thejynxed]

Of course it can be a bad thing, or do you forget who else was in WWII and killed millions more people than Hitler and the rest did combined.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

You understand that an organisation doesn't automatically adopt the political leanings of its leaders, right?

This coming from the person who claims that gamergate is a harassment organization because of 3rd party trolls. The literal irony is so fucking palpable.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

LOL still buthurt about that huh?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[K10W]

Almost everything you think you know about Antifa is due to trolling. There are extensive troll campaigns out there involving fake Antifa accounts. Each tries to outdo each other with the most outrageous thing they can say to make gullible right wingers take them seriously.

"Antifa" has no ideology except hatred of Nazis and those espousing similar ideologies (general white supremecists). It is not a "group". It has no "leaders". No little black book. Nothing except "hates and will actively oppose Nazis and other white supremecists", and random people who are of that view describe themselves with the term Antifa. Not all people who identify as "Antifa" support violence as a means to counter Nazi activity (there's been a widespread "Is it okay to punch a Nazi?" debate since Richard Spencer was punched on camera). Of those who would answer that with "Yes", there's a further subset known as "Black Bloc"; which again is not an ideology but more of a style (dressing in black and actively physically engaging when Nazis and aligned groups come to town). The "Don't punch a Nazi" crowd thinks of them as counterproductive. Black Bloc style protesting existed before "Antifa"; before the most recent flareup, it was most commonly associated in the US with WTO protests.

To reiterate: Black Bloc does engage in violence - although you might have been misled about "innocent victims". To pick an example: the most famous viral video of Black Bloc actions was this attack. Who is that poor innocent victim? Why, that's Keith Campbell, known on Twitter as "PatriotWarriorMedia". He's involved in R.A.M. ("Rise Above Movement"), a group built specifically around active training to engage in street brawls with perceived leftists. Rather than all black, their hide-their-face approach is black skeleton masks.

What did Campbell have to say about that protest where he got beaten up beforehand? Why let's look!: "Fuck Antifa! Let them come to Berkeley on August 27th so we can kick their asses AGAIN! @1776RealNews @ProudBoysCA @BasedCops"

How did that work out for you, Keith?

Anyway, this is all secondary to my main point, which was to make you aware of the fact that the vast majority of "Antifa" accounts are just trolling to try to dupe gullible right wingers. My personal take on the whole thing? Black Bloc protesters and R.A.M. deserve each other, and both can go F* themselves as far as I'm concerned.

I get people not seeing it at first glance but they clearly are under the umbrella of larger groups and the major political parties use direct action groups as a blunt tool despite the individual members often not being aware of it. They do have leaders they just look like some loose affiliated collection of dudes from the outside. I know people who have been involved on both the extreme left and right in Europe, mainly the left but a few on the right. On a local level like the independent groups identifying as blackbloc are coordinated by someone, although not exactly a formal leader by any stretch. However these groups answer to someone who is a coordinater with some semblance of structure and order (despite the ones I knew mainly being a mess they sort of work) and they themselves interface with a mid

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

LOL still buthurt about that huh?

So tell me, what's it like knowing you're promoting a lie because something hurt your feelings? Right. You've been proven wrong, but it hurts you so much to admit that you fucked up and can't admit it. Talk about pathetic.

It also makes me wonder if you're just like the a-typical male feminist ally, who actually turns out to be an abuser of women and was just projecting the entire time. Guess time will tell on that one, just like all those other people including the current meltdown of neogaf.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

Wait, you have definitive evidence that it was 3rd party trolls? You can refute the IRC logs and all the other evidence? Please share.

Also, fuck you. Seriously, this is a new low.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[fatwilbur]

"There's no need to over-think this" - I'd say this was the gist of Trump's response after the event with his "both sides" comment, and what a large amount of people agree with: doesn't matter what you were there to argue about if you showed up to start shit you're an idiot.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[PaulRivers10]

Do you remember WW1, where 2 sides slaughtered each other because of 1 clumsy assassination after decades of antagonistic rhetoric back and forth? Antifa's claim is that there's a "good guy" in "jofferey fights ramsay bolton". In Germany the communists had regular street brawls with nazi brownshirts, the nazi's had more public support. After the communists were crushed they continued their street brawls with anyone they could find until the night of the long knives where hitler stepped in and arrested and shot their leaders, again with public support.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[PaulRivers10]

Maybe a better Russian to English translator.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Goose In Orbit]

AT least I have the balls to post with an account, moron

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[denzacar]

Oh... judging by your ID, comrade, I fear that you know the taste of Moscow snow far better than I.
Particularly of the yellow variety.

Which is fitting for a history revisionist Nazi defender pushing a tale of "fine people on both sides".
Too bad for you that people who hung the cunts you defend knew otherwise.

Benjamin Ferencz, a former US prosecutor in the war crimes trials, and one of the few people participants still alive to have taken part in the trials, returned to Nuremberg at the age of 90 to speak at the opening of the museum on the anniversary of the world's first war crimes trial.

Speaking at the inauguration of the new museum, Ferencz said, "When I left Germany for the first time after World War II and left Nuremberg, my biggest regret was that I never heard from any German saying 'I'm sorry.'

You might wanna take a refreshment course in some of the best TV ever made.
Cause it was about real people, real events, real history...
And last but not least, it shows the complicity not only of those "fine people" fighting only "because their country told them to fight" - but of civilians as well.

See... There's this thing about supporting and defending an ideology you might not be aware of... It makes that ideology your own.
You like the ideas - you simply must be thinking them too! Cause that's how that brain thing works!
You thought it - you bought it!

And you know what else THAT means! That's RIGHT! That's very right indeed! Very far right.
It means that you're a Nazi cunt - only more cowardly cause you don't have actual balls to go around shouting "Jews will not replace us."
You only have enough balls to troll online.

Now go back under the bridge you crawled under, you Nazi scum.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

Wait, you have definitive evidence that it was 3rd party trolls? You can refute the IRC logs and all the other evidence? Please share.

Considering the fbi investigation states as much, and those IRC logs have been disputed as fully taken out of context by Quinn? Yes. That's on top of all of those big name anti-GG people who were caught doxing people, along with people in CON itself who doxed people.

Also, fuck you. Seriously, this is a new low.

Considering you're displaying the same pattern of behavior? It wouldn't surprise me. After all, you seem to believe women need to be coddled. Just like all those other allies do.

Re: "violence to advance their cause"

[Reverend Green]

God you're a dunce. Do they pay you well to pretend to be this stupid?

Oh - and how's the weather in Beijing today?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

The FBI investigation includes confessions of those behind GamerGate. One guy admitted to sending harassing emails and said he knew that it was a federal crime... But for some inexplicable reason they decided not to prosecute him. Perhaps they felt that he was just a kid "joking around" on the internet or something.

The FBI wrote that he "understood that it was a federal crime to send a threatening communication to anyone and will never do it again".

Take this excert, for example: https://cdn.businessinsider.nl...

"Oh well, can't do anything about proxies, and it was just a joke anyway..." They had video and audio of another guy confessing to making 40 to 50 threatening phone calls, but did nothing about it.

In conclusion they wrote that "It is requested that this investigation be administratively closed due to lack of leads", hardly exonerating anyone.

Also, once again you profess to know what I believe and then prove otherwise. To be absolutely clear, I don't think women need to be coddled. You could at least apologise for suggesting I might be a rapist though. I'm all for robust, open debate but that was just nasty and uncalled for.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

Being against Nazis and fascists is a good thing; unfortunately, a lot of antifa rhetoric suggests that they think anyone further right than Bernie is a fascist or fascist enabler, and thus deserving of violence. Also, violence against fascists works great when they're large, organized, and ideally in another country. It's a shitty way to fight fascism when it's your own people - communists fighting Nazis in the streets was a huge help to the Nazis in their rise to power.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Anonymous Cow Ward]

Your defense is that "everybody who makes antifa look bad is a troll"? Seriously? There are some troll accounts, to be sure, but saying the vast majority of antifa accounts are trolls is ludicrous.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[tehcyder]

It also makes me wonder if you're just like the a-typical male feminist ally, who actually turns out to be an abuser of women and was just projecting the entire time. [twitter.com]

1. If you meant "a typical male..." the hyphen destroys your meaning.

2. If you meant "atypical" that means the opposite of what you intended.

3. I wonder if you're just another baby-raping Nazi like many of the Gamergate fuckturnips?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[tehcyder]

BLM has literally gone out and assassinated police officers

Timothy McVeigh was a Republican, therefore the Republican Party is a terrorist organisation. Right?

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[tehcyder]

Antifa is the unreformed blackshirt German Communist party militant wing.

"Antifa" is a purely US thing. No one in Europe uses that name that I've ever heard of.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[tehcyder]

"The Left" in the US is not even socialist for the most part, never mind communist. The connection between moderate centrist social democrat types (as they would be in Europe) and actual Marxists is about as solid as that between moderately right wing Republicans and actual Nazis.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[DNS-and-BIND]

When Nazis vote for you, it's hard to tell the difference.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

The FBI investigation includes confessions of those behind GamerGate.

You mean the 13 year old kid who had no connections to gamergate that you're trying to claim that was part of gamergate? I guess that makes things easy, you can go read the document dump anytime you want. Then that other guy you're talking about who was the 3rd party troll? Who also stated they weren't part of gamergate and did it because they wanted to get a rise out of both sides? You might want to actually get off your ass and read the entire thing instead of relying on an excerpt. There's critical context missing form that.

Seems to me you're doing a great job of showing that you can't even read a document, let alone stand it. You don't think women need to be coddled? That seems to go fully against your own reasoning on multiple occasions.

You could at least apologise for suggesting I might be a rapist though. I'm all for robust, open debate but that was just nasty and uncalled for.

I'm holding you, to your standards. "Listen and believe." There's a point to it, and if you think on it you'll have figured it out. If on the other hand you haven't, I can explain it to you.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[Mashiki]

3. I wonder if you're just another baby-raping Nazi like many of the Gamergate fuckturnips?

Sorry, that label is currently being held by anti-gamergate individuals and hollywood. Also members of the media who are rotting in the ground in the UK.

1. If you meant "a typical male..." the hyphen destroys your meaning.

US english, isn't the only version of english around.

2. If you meant "atypical" that means the opposite of what you intended.

See point 1.

Re:"violence to advance their cause"

[AmiMoJo]

You mean the 13 year old kid who had no connections to gamergate that you're trying to claim that was part of gamergate?

On what evidence do you make that claim? In fact, how do you identify who is part of GamerGate and who is not?

Seems like a movement with no acknowledged leaders or membership roster can simply claim that any activity that makes them look bad was someone unaffiliated.

At the very least, it's a pretty shit idea to start a "consumer movement" based on anonymous membership and no central leadership structure, especially when a significant number of people using the hashtag it is organized around are trolls under FBI investigation. Can you explain why 'Gaters didn't do something about that?

You don't think women need to be coddled? That seems to go fully against your own reasoning on multiple occasions.

I'd suggest that you don't understand my reasoning.

"Listen and believe." There's a point to it, and if you think on it you'll have figured it out. If on the other hand you haven't, I can explain it to you.

Please do explain it.

The "listen and believe" thing cropped up again recently, didn't it? Cosby was only held to account, even after years of people saying he was too touchy-feely, when a male comedian called him a rapist. Turns out some women did complain about Wienstein, but even after that shocking recording of him harassing a young actress was made he was not prosecuted and others were not believed.

Good Luck

[Templer421]

Accomplishing this!

Promoting the leftist agenda

[Okian Warrior]

I look forward to seeing Antifa accounts suspended.

Good luck with that.

A fuckton of people are on Gab after getting kicked off of twitter, and are running a thread Not Allowed on Twitter.

I realize this is probably a biased sample, but there's a lot of "*this* got me kicked off, while *that* is allowed" posts that highlight the double-standard.

It would seem that left-leaning posts are taken with a wink and a smile, while right-leaning posts are censored with an overreaching iron fist. It's often completely mysterious what twitter standards are violated; apparently talking about and linking to someone twitter doesn't like (such as Milo) is enough to get you banned, even if the actual text is pedestrian such as "I saw this guy speak last night and he was OK".

There was one post that came out completely against Nazis (saying things like "Nazis are bad, I don't condone nazis, and the like) and apparently used the word "nazi" too many times and got banned. All from completely unexciting text.

Here's an example of a post that's *allowed* on twitter.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[AmiMoJo]

Plenty of left leaning people get banned on Twitter too. Kevin Logan was banned last week for a relatively mild insult. Twitter is just bad at enforcing rules and is reliant on people reporting stuff.

The whole point of this change is to be proactive and enforce more consistently. I'm not sure it's a great idea but let's see how it works.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[Anonymous Coward]

A fuckton of people are on Gab after getting kicked off of twitter, and are running a thread Not Allowed on Twitter.

And as long as Gab shows a login screen instead of the thread that you linked to, Twitter will not need to worry about the competition.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[AmiMoJo]

Gab probably can't open up too much because then the lawsuits would start to fly. Being indexed by search engines and widely linked has that effect if you don't moderate your content.

Gab isn't safe anyway. The reason Milo for banned from Twitter and many speaking events is that he sets mobs on people and outs them against their will.

Re:Promoting the leftist agenda

[DogDude]

Too bad nobody can look at what you posted.

Re:what about fat orange downies with nukes?

[Nethemas the Great]

Naw, genocide is cool because $$$. It's the small time operators like ISIS, and Tsarnaev that can't get any love.

Re:So Trump's twitter account will be turned off?

[Nethemas the Great]

No

Suuuure They Are

[Greyfox]

That's impossible! The only way they could do that... oh... my... God! Twitter's going to KILL ALL HUMANS!

Re:So Trump's twitter account will be turned off?

[vux984]

Given that's more than half of the giant Twit's own net worth he should be knocking on twitters door any day now to demand a cut...

I'll believe it when...

[Baron_Yam]

They ban the POTUS' account. Most of it's just stupid shit that's 'not presidential', but some of it is hate-mongering.

Prediction: Twitter will continue to hide behind a bullshit exemption (if they acknowledge the exception at all) because Trump's bile draws eyeballs like a traffic accident.

Propaganda Network?

[AHuxley]

So what will this new SJW "internet" be like?
Positive news about communist parties and communist party history?
Really, really positive movie and actor reviews. Negative reviews get removed?
Reminders from governments about policy and laws?
Positive tourism stories?
Positive product reviews?

Re: Propaganda Network?

[Reverend Green]

It'll be just like the state-run newspapers in a Communist country. Only less well-written. And in support of socially degenerate forms of capitalism, rather than mild socialism.

(Fwiw, I currently live in a Communist country. The semi-official news media here are no worse than the semi-official news media in the States. Maybe a little better, because at least they are not pretending to be objective.)

Twitter becomes unrecoverable in 2 weeks

[MSTCrow5429]

Based on Twitter's abuse of its users by banning people who lack right-think, and the narrower and narrower that band becomes, they're just going to be banning most of its active users for "hatespeech," i.e. opinions whomever is looking at it thinks is wrong.

Re:Twitter becomes unrecoverable in 2 weeks

[MSTCrow5429]

Oh, Mein Herr! You've found me out! Achtung!

so in two weeks

[bobmajdakjr]

so in two weeks trump will be banned?

We are against nazis

[SuperKendall]

That is exactly why many of us think Anti-Fa should be shut down, they are modern browncoats who use violence against the Other in exactly the same way.

Real "nazis" are not giving peaceful talks and demonstrations, real nazis are the ones hurting other people and damaging property and shutting down speech because it goes against the Party.

free speech as in cake

[Anonymous Coward]

I was once more than a little obsessed with understanding the fundamental nature of so called "Free Speech" via the internet. The issue seemed to get a lot of play in the 95-05 era when the internet went mainstream. I still wish more people would acknowledge the importance of the issue. It relates directly to all of these issues. Obviously Twitter is just one company that can choose their clientelle as arbitrarily as a wedding cake maker.

'There are some bad guys out there.....'

[TiggertheMad]

Well.....shit....This pretty much put an end to the POTUS's account.....

Re: Soo... by November 3rd...

[Reverend Green]

I wasn't aware Twitter had any other active users besides Emperor Trump. Really does seem like they spend an awful lot of QE money on a service no one still uses.

driven mad by capitalism

[Reverend Green]

Feeling outraged but can't figure out why? Invent something!

This happens a lot, I suspect.

Re:Revenge porn is real? Where?

[_merlin]

Oh it happens, but I don't think it's as widespread as people try to claim. Heres's an example of it that got to court almost a decade ago: http://www.google.com.au/search?rls=en&q=giller+v+procopets.

Close Trump's account

[MoarSauce123]

That cuts 90% of the hate speech on Twitter in a single action.

Get out the flamethrowers

[Shogun37]

"It's all right to punch a nazi." What. The. Hell? Did all you mouth breathing ignorant sisterfuckers sleep ALL the way through History class? Or is it true that the Constitution is a dead letter? Go back and READ (not just believe what some libtard told you) about the American Revolution and why the First Amendment was so important. And then go and READ the First Amendment. Nowhere does it say that "free speech is only for people we agree with." Or "if I disagree with you I can punch you in the mouth." And, if Nazis REALLY need punching, what gives you the right to take a swing!? Do you truly believe that you have some God-given right to cesnsure what other people can hear? Seriously? Because I know which side says we're all to stupid to run our own lives. If you really want to "fight nazis," the way is simple...make sure everyone hears them. Modern nazis are so far from what they claim as their roots to be laughable. Antifa is nothing more than a group of hired thugs. Look into their history. I know the people who disagree with me won't do any of their own research. They'll just wait for the CNN download, straight to the cortex (what little they have.) Freedom only works, if it's for everyone. Especially the ones we don't agree with and wish would just shut up.

Re:Get out the flamethrowers

[Shogun37]

Thank you for proving my point.

"self defense"

[SuperKendall]

I always thought it was kind of hilarious that some people define "self defense" as "I'll strike first". That's not how this works.. that's not how any of this works.

"Self defense" is in reaction to physical harm, I'm hard pressed to say how any of the AntiFa members have been harmed by the shops whose windows they are breaking, the cars they are torching, nor indeed any of the supposed nazis they are punching...

Remember kids, words are not violence, and if you treat them as if they are the law will come down on you very, very hard. And rightfully so.

Re:"self defense"

[PopeRatzo]

I always thought it was kind of hilarious that some people define "self defense" as "I'll strike first".

You know, I agree. Those "stand your ground" laws have always been wrong, on so many levels, because they give people who really want to perpetrate violence an opportunity.

I guess the legal definition of self-defense is a pretty good compromise:

n. the use of reasonable force to protect oneself or members of the family from bodily harm from the attack of an aggressor, if the defender has reason to believe he/she/they is/are in danger.

A case could be made that if someone tells you that they want ethnic cleansing, and you happen to be one of the ones who they want to ethnically cleanse, and they're part of a group that has a history of ethnic cleansing, the legal definition of "self-defense" could certainly apply.

Americanised puritan Internet

[dddux]

This looks like the start of American puritan censorship of the Internet. It's going to be groovy... just imagine, all avatars have to be fully dressed up and appropriate for kids. All posts with swear words will have *beep* put instead, or *beeeeeeeeeeep* for longer swear words. Next up you will get banned for saying anything against the government. Now what does that remind me of... China? Russia? The authoritarians are coming. It's going to be great. /sarc

Well... In that case, I got good news for ya.

[denzacar]

They're not metaphors any more.
Nor were they ever for the readin folk.

Apparently there are Nazis around here.

[denzacar]

And as is their custom, they are retarded and cowardly, trying to moderate down the truth of the their own cowardice and mental (and other) retardation.
But that ain't how it works...

Got news for you: A lot of the original Nazis were also just cowards waving the flag.

Got news for you: ALL of the original Nazis were also just cowards waving the flag.

It's one of their main features.
Along with being white, without a sense of humor and being convinced in their own racial superiority in order to compensate for a raging inferiority complex.

The rest is just symbols and slogans.