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shanen writes: How many of you don't print much these days? What is the best solution to only printing a few pages every once in a while? Here are some dimensions of the problem...

Inexpensive printers: The cost of new printers is quite low, but how long can the printer sit there without printing before it dies? Lexmark and HP used to offer an expensive solution with integrated ink cartridges that also included new print heads, but... Should I just buy a cheap Canon or Epson and plan to throw it away in a couple of years, probably after printing less than a 100 pages?

Printing services: They're mostly focused on photos, but there are companies where you can take your data for printing. My main concerns here are actually with the costs and the tweaks. Each print is expensive because you are covering their overhead way beyond the cost of the printing itself. Also, most of the time my first print or three isn't exactly what I want. It rarely comes out perfectly on paper the first time.

Social printing: For example, are any of you sharing one printer with your neighbors via Wi-Fi? Do you just sneak a bit of personal printing onto a printer at your office? Do you travel across town to borrow your brother-in-law's printer?

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  1. What is the solution to printing rarely? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A laser-printer. I mean, the powder doesn't dry, it won't clog the nozzles and it's useable even 10 years later.

    1. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and it's useable even 10 years later.

      And that's not even just the hardware if you make sure it speaks an industry-standard language like PCL. No worries of the OS dropping support when it's a 5 years old.

    2. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, if you feel you must have a printer to print something on rare occasion, get a cheap B&W laser printer, it will be the last printer you purchase in your life.

      If you need color, find a friend or just go to Kinkos and pay for the over priced service there as you'll rarely be using it anyway. Better to pay $5 to print a few pages in color than to pay $100 for an inkjet that won't work if the last time you fired it up was 3 years ago.

      For photos, Costco all the way. You'll never beat their pricing with printing photos at home.

    3. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      This.

      A networked, pcl/ps laser printer. A color one can be had for not too much now (don't know the specific, the one I use is black and white and was $200 ten or so years ago).

      It should be good for a looooong time with no maintenance (5000 or so prints before toner runs out).

      The extra money vs an ink jet will be well worth not needing to worry about drivers (for basic printing no drivers will be needed (or more accurately generic PCL will work)), no worrying about dead cartridges with months of non use. No worry about interface (I suspect Ethernet will remain backwards compatible for a long time).

      The only caveat I'd give is that if you want to print photos or on heavier paper, an inkjet is a better solution.

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    4. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Greyfox · · Score: 2

      Very much this. I got a cheap color laser printer for $300 a couple of years ago and it's perfect. I'll let it sit for 6 or 8 months at a time and it'll still quite happily print something the moment I fire it up. Toner's about in the same ballpark as inkjet ink and I get a very reasonable number of pages out of it, even when doing a fairly high volume of pages and photos.

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    5. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, if you must have a printer, its laser printer FTW.

      I had some really nice Epson color inkjet printers in the past, but as I started printing less I starting having problems with the print heads becoming clogged and literally having to throw out the printer because there's no way to clean or replace the heads.

      And then there's the problem of the printer companies being corrupt scumbags. One of the alleged features of my old Epson inkjet printers was 6 individual ink cartridges. In theory, you only replace the colors you need. In reality, even if you never print anything other than plain black text, your color cartridges will still go empty because, guess what, all colors mixed together equals black. Corporate scumbaggery at its finest.

      I haven't even had a printer connected to my computer for over 5 years now. Once every couple of months I need to print a page and send it to a laser printer connected to a computer in another room.

    6. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by xfade551 · · Score: 2

      I went this way a couple years back as I got tired of spending ~$40 on print cartridges (because the old ones were dry) every time I wanted to print something (maybe 3-4 times a year, these days). Also, with a laser print out you can do a toner transfer from paper to other media, which enables you to make masks for hobby projects like custom printed circuit boards or artistic wood burning (pyrography).

    7. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by darkain · · Score: 5, Informative

      Exactly this. I manage a business that has a whole fleet of HP LaserJet 2100 printers manufactured between 1998 and 1999. There is still 100% fully supported drivers by HP For Windows 10 in both 32bit and 64bit environments. All of the printers were upgraded with the optional JetDirect network card ($10 or less on eBay usually), so they just connect to the network and just WORK. The toner cartridge and print head are one in the same, so replacing toner is basically replacing the majority of the components within the printer.

    8. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by AndyKron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've got an old B/W laser that works on toner that's close to twenty years old.

    9. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      This is what I thought. Unfortunately after five years of sitting around the one of the colours stopped working completely, the other three printed with a lot of specks (HP Laserjet Color PC1515n). Now, after another five years of not using it I can either buy new cartridges (refill won't do because apparently the drums have suffered from all the accumulated dust) or I can buy a new printer.

      So while a laser printer is certainly better than a inkjet for this use case, it is not nearly as perfect as you think it is. It should print at least a couple of times a year.

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    10. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I was going to say all the same things, but I guess just "me too" will suffice.

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    11. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by sevenisloud · · Score: 1

      I bought a HP laser printer in 2004, but I rarely used it. Last year I donated it (sold it for a nominal fee) to my workplace to go in some silly photo booth machine that runs Windows 98. That printer's still working now.

    12. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I have an HP LJ 4L printer which I bought new in 1992. I put a new cartridge in it ($10) every year or two and it just keeps printing as good as the day it was new.

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    13. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Provocateur · · Score: 2

      Agreed; and he said LASER Printer. Not Laserjet nor inkjet wannabes.

      We're talking laser here, newbies. As in

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      Goldfinger: No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to die!

      *THAT* kind of "up-his-crown jewels" death ray laser.

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    14. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, if you're only printing every couple of years, any money spent on a printer is a waste of money. Just hit Kinkos or some other similar service.

    15. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do what i did 4 years ago get a mono laser so you can leave it unused for months. print those important photos down the supermarket or on-line.

      laser toners are cheap if you go for compatibles, and even my dads HP 6L witch came with drivers for Windows 3.1/95 and OS/2 still works out the box with Linux and windows 10 provided you have a parallel port.

    16. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Same here. Laser (or rather usually LED these days) is the solution. Reliable, fast and does not mind sitting idle or off for long periods of time.

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    17. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by Miamicanes · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm surprised nobody in China (or even the US, since we're STILL pretty competitive for low-volume manufacturing) has started cranking out laser printers with copies of the 1990s-era LaserJet print engine. The patents have all expired, printing technology has gone basically nowhere in 20 years, and old LaserJet consumables are basically commodities by now. The HOME market for printers like this might be small, but small & medium-sized businesses (especially those who print a LOT) and schools would LOVE printers that cost a few hundred bucks, but had almost zero consumables cost.

      Worst-case, they'd have to get ISO to codify the consumables for the print engine & give a non-Trademarked name to PCL or PostScript, so they could advertise their standard-compliance without risking a lawsuit for Trademark-infringement.

      They could probably even start by giving the printer a "dumb" framebuffer, then do all the rendering/rasterization logic & printserver in a RasPi. So you'd buy the USB-interfaced dumb-framebuffer printer, and pair it with your own Pi-based printserver running GhostScript.

    18. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you must have a printer, its laser printer FTW.

      One of the alleged features of my old Epson inkjet printers was 6 individual ink cartridges. In theory, you only replace the colors you need. In reality, even if you never print anything other than plain black text, your color cartridges will still go empty because, guess what, all colors mixed together equals black.

      Usually you can go into the printer driver and tick "B&W Only" and the printer will just use the black cartridge. However I'm also a proud B&W laser printer owner.

    19. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by harrkev · · Score: 2

      The toner cartridge and print head are one in the same

      Wait. When did laser printers start using a print head?

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    20. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      that last bit is a total non-starter.
      No one is going to make a RasPi science fair project into a shipping product.

      That said, the rest of your post is spot on.
      reuse the older print tech for the LJ2100 or even the LJ4000 (I *think* that one is out of patent, not sure). Produce the printer for $200-$300 and make the consumables en masse. I think that HPGL is open, and likely a PS implementation would be pretty dang cheap.

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    21. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll second that, I've been involved with network printing for nearly 20 years in one way or another.

      The upfront cost of a small office network color laser printer - HP / Xerox is well worth it in the end - it'll outlast any Inkjet MFC junk and is an order of magnitude cheaper to run, they don't mind spending long periods of time unused, they'll fire right up and go. They talk PCL and/or PostScript or both, so generic PCL/PS drivers will work, they all support mDNS or "Bonjour" so Macs will find them, identify, download and install the right drivers to use. Not sure if Windows 10 is there yet... And it'll quite likely pay for it self in the end vs running/replacing cheap inkjets.

      At home I got tired of the plastic $50 POS Canon MFC thing my wife bought, new ink was twice the price of the printer it self, she likes to print a bit of stuff, coupons, etickets etc. We were going to throw out a smaller HP CP2025 (or maybe and equivalent older model of this) at work, I snagged it and took it home. Having an always on network printer that just works every time is great!

      Otherwise, I think what most people do when they need to print stuff, they just do it at work. Which I dont mind so long as they're not printing volumes of crap, a few pages here and there on a high volume printer is far better for the environment than a few pages here and there on some cheap inkjet.

    22. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      My recent AIO Samsung color laser was $700 on sale (normally $1k).
      Full CMYK toner refresh was $450. I print 20mm dungeon tiles often and get pretty decent output counts per toner refill.

      Bit steep for a home user to be sure, but it is also a scanner (which I use way more often than I print) and a fax (a what now?)
      For a SOHO it's a slam dunk.

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    23. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      My first laser was a xerox. I finally tossed it when I couldn't get it to play nice with a USB to parallel port converter. Bought it in 96? Never had a single issue, no matter how much or little I printed, nor how long between prints.

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    24. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      if it's not going to be used for that long between prints then a dust cover is a must.

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    25. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Ditto.

      I used to print photos at home years ago, but for the past several years I just upload everything to smugmug.com at FULL resolution and when I want a print I just order whatever size I need from them. The prints are much better quality than you'd find at a local store.

      I still have an inkjet printer and I use it sometimes to print things for work, but 99.9% of my printing at home is on an old b/w laser printer.

    26. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 1

      I picked up my Brothers Laser printer for just over $100 brand new for school. I've printed over 200 pages on the original toner and it looks to still be going strong. It does copies, scans, and has WiFi and LAN support. Unlike HP it's always just worked for printing and never required a coin flip over whether or not I'll have to reinstall the drivers (granted that was their OfficeJet ink printers). What are you adding to it that costs another $100-$200?

      My friend has the previous generation of the same printer which he has used through two XL cartridges and is still going strong. The internal drum is rated for 10,000 sheets, which he might need to replace with his next thing of toner.

      The model I got: DCP-L2540DW

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    27. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      200 pages?

      That's like a day in the life of an office LJ4000. GP poster did say the home market would be limited, but there's still a strong market for workgroup printers.

      And those old laserjets don't really have any driver issues like other posters have mentioned. They aren't some crappy $79 special home inkjet printers.

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    28. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised nobody in China (or even the US, since we're STILL pretty competitive for low-volume manufacturing) has started cranking out laser printers with copies of the 1990s-era LaserJet print engine. The patents have all expired, printing technology has gone basically nowhere in 20 years, and old LaserJet consumables are basically commodities by now.

      The problem is a print engine consists of two pieces - there's the mechanical bits that handle the paper and the drum and the other little things involved with printing, and more importantly, there's all the software behind it. And that's the tricky part - the software behind the print engine controls when the motors turn on and off, the sequencing of the motors, the laser itself, and all sorts of other real-time tasks. And each engine is slightly different enough that it always needs to be tweaked for each engine design. Now, they used to run on microcontrollers, but modern ones run some sort of real-time OS, and the timing is generally done by busy waiting.

      And all that stuff is either copyrighted, for for a processor no on e makes anymore and then has to be reverse-engineered.

    29. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      Yep, my dad still uses his 4L with no issues. For any piece of computer technology to still be fully useful after 25 years is quite astonishing.

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    30. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Depends on how often you print. Personally, I print so little that it's not worth even dedicating storage space to personally owning one.

    31. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although, the grippy rubber rollers in the feed mechanism can deteriorate in that time to the point that the printer won't feed properly - plenty of toner, no working paper feed!

    32. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Megane · · Score: 1

      I have a LaserWriter IIg of which the only problem is that even though it has an Ethernet port, it only supports Appletalk printing protocols. My main printer is an Oki C5150 color laser which I use every few months and recently got the rest of the toner refills it should need for a while. I also have an old monster HP color laser that IIRC can print on tabloid size, for which one day I found a bunch of toner bottles cheap that I have never even had a chance to use.

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    33. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Not Laserjet nor inkjet wannabes.

      "Laserjet" is HP's brand name for laser printers. I don't know where you got the idea it was otherwise. And any one of those with mostly square corners in its case ought to be a workhorse.

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    34. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The powder DOES go dry... but it's supposed to! It's a powder! :) But yeah, I agree. I have one that I've used for years, very intermittently, with never a problem of any kind. Screw ink, ink jets, bubble jets, etc. Using a liquid in a printer is for the BIRDS.

    35. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      The "drum" if that makes you happy - the part that touches the paper and wears out or gets fouled.

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    36. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no margin left for the Chinese. most of the printer value isn't the engine, it's the software stack on top. For HP, that's a sunk cost. For the Chinese, they have to catch up to 20 years of IP just to compete. Plus I probably would not load any chinese drivers on my PC. So even if I have a cheap Chinese printer, I can't print to it.

    37. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is no need. There are still millions of functional HP laser printers out there. There is a huge market for replacement toner cartridges, so that is what everyone makes.

    38. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Muros · · Score: 1

      I have an HP LJ 4L printer which I bought new in 1992. I put a new cartridge in it ($10) every year or two and it just keeps printing as good as the day it was new.

      The entire range of Laserjet 4 printers from HP was awesome. I used to "repair" them back in the day when printers weren't considered to be below my paygrade, and that pretty much consisted of fuser and pickup roller replacements.

    39. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by GrandCow · · Score: 1

      I've been using the same printer, and even the same cartridge, since 2008. I print very little. I would have gone through 10 sets of inkjet cartridges or more due to them drying out by now.

      Spend the extra few bucks on a laser.

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    40. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      Note that if it sits too long without printing (years), the drum in the toner cartridge exposed to the toner will change and you can end up with faint horizontal banding as well as darker vertical streaks. This has happened to my Xerox XP12, but would be solved by purchasing a new cartridge, rather than sticking with the one I have/using toner refill kits on such a low-use device.

      Frankly though, walking to the UPS store is less of a hassle.

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    41. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a cheap B&W laser at home. For any quality work, there's a Print Shop two blocks from the house. A colour picture on 11x17 gloss cover stock printed on a pro quality machine costs me a buck.

    42. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you updated the firmware on all of these fire-starters so that they cannot cause fires because some bad actor printed a document containing firmware settings that re-programs the fuser assembly to turn it on and keep it on until the temperature reaches critical and the components catch fire, spreading to the surrounding area.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/exclusive-millions-printers-open-devastating-hack-attack-researchers-say-f118851

    43. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. I've had an HP LaserJet 6p for a decade now, and it was used for who knows how long when I got it. I've put one toner cartridge for it in that time and it just works.

      I would have paid for the full retail cost of this printer at three times over in ink cartridges in that same time period.

      If you don't use an inkjet a lot the cartridges rot. Laser printer master race.

    44. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      Both HP and Brother make decent <$200 laser printers with cheap consumables that don't suck.

    45. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Same too, i print occasionally and use a laserjet 4100 bought on ebay with a full toner cartridge for less than what a single new toner costs.

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    46. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Laser printers, even color ones, are cheap enough these days for anyone who needs good professional output without having to go through the inkjet cycle of cursing/running the Clean utility/cursing/running the Deep Clean utility every time you want a few pages.

      If your needs are more plebeian and monochrome only and you don't mind Snapfishing all your photos, there's the HP 1102W. It even supports Apple AirPrint. The only downside for this application is that occasional pages randomly take fifteen minutes of formatting time before they print.

    47. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by gsilver0 · · Score: 1

      I can attest to a good laser printer lasting 10+ years with light use. I bought a Brother brand laser printer back in collage a good decade ago (I feel old now...) and it's still kicking. Neatly tucked away in a closet but hooked up to the network, so it's both out of sight, as well as still able to print a few pages when the need arises.

    48. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by eth1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm surprised nobody in China (or even the US, since we're STILL pretty competitive for low-volume manufacturing) has started cranking out laser printers with copies of the 1990s-era LaserJet print engine.

      Yeah... those things never actually die, as far as I can tell. I used to work for a school that had some HP LJ 6MPs in the lab. By the time I got there, they'd already done 17 squillion pages, but were perfectly fine - just slow. The slowness led to them getting replaced (in about 2004), at which time I offered to buy one to take home. They said "just take it." I still have it, and it works perfectly, with the same toner cartridge that was in there when it was retired from the lab at school. It will still be printing come doomsday.

      Only problems I've ever had with it are that it only has a parallel port, which is getting really damn inconvenient to deal with, and it's short on memory, which leads to the occasional inability to print something.

    49. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Not really. A $10 raspberry pi zero W runs Ghostscript just fine.

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    50. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, got a small b&w Samsung laser printer that I turn on every few months or so to print something if needed. I haven't even used half of the original toner (supposedly stock toner is smaller than the replacements too)

    51. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I always buy ex-business/lease printers for the friends&family support network. They're built like tanks, run forever, and a single toner cartridge will run for 5-10,000 pages, a lifetime supply for most people. Since they're ex-business/lease they've been maintained, and you can get them for $20-50 for a formerly $1,000 printer.

    52. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laser printer with postscript.

    53. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I doubt there's a market. I can buy a colour laser printer with an integrated scanner and photocopier mode for around £100 (I did a few years ago, but then I stored it at my mother's house when I moved and she decided she wanted to keep it). To consider a black and white one instead, it would have to cost under £50 and at that price it's hard to see the manufacturer breaking even.

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    54. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Only problems I've ever had with it are that it only has a parallel port, which is getting really damn inconvenient to deal with, and it's short on memory, which leads to the occasional inability to print something.

      I had a Borther knock-off that had similar issues (combined with a 50MHz MIPS processor, which made page rendering very slow. It was a lot faster if you printed PCL than PostScript (though not always very fast, for complex PCL). I eventually solved both problems by connecting it to an old machine to act as a print server and configuring lpd to turn everything submitted into simple pre-rasterised PCL. These days, a cheap SBC with a USB to parallel adaptor would be able to do the same thing for a much lower power cost.

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    55. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I bought a Dell-branded all-in-one colour printer for a little over £100 7-8 years ago. The scanner function is a bit hit and miss (it sometimes produces PDFs that crash every PDF viewer I try them in) but it works great for printing. I probably wouldn't trust it for high-volume printing, but for intermittent home use it's great. It will happily sit for a month or two without printing anything and then print a hundred copies of something.

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    56. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      You might want to read the rest of the post. He's implying that a proper laser printer is one that you can use to print a line through your enemies with.

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    57. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised nobody in China (or even the US, since we're STILL pretty competitive for low-volume manufacturing) has started cranking out laser printers with copies of the 1990s-era LaserJet print engine.

      I do't think there'd be any point. The thing is those printers were EXPENSIVE.

      You can buy a more expensive printer today and get excellent performance and reliability. I went through several cheap printers and almost abandoned printers in disgust.

      No affiliation except for a happy customer: I scoured reviews and found that of all the printers, Brother had the least negative reviews. It didn't get the higest praise but no one ever complaied of it breaking. So I looked into it and was kind of shocked to see it cost more than the others in the class for worse specs (slower speed, etc).

      I looked back and forth between the reviews and the price and eventually went with it on the grounds that I wanted a working printer and maybe you had to pay for the reliability.

      Can't say it was a bad choice. It's kind of creepy. Every time I tell it to print, paper with stuff on comes out. After years of being trained by bad printers, I still get a sinking feeling every time I try to print, and it actually working every time is unexpected and strange.

      In hindsight, I remember there's always been a band of brothers here who strongly advocate for the brand and it appears I've joined their ranks.

      ive a non-Trademarked name to PCL or PostScript,

      They call it "BrotherScript" or some such.

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    58. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Exactly we just need standard laser printers that support PCL or postscript.
      They can be cheap for b&w.

      I was able to setup a set of diverse laser printers sets all supported pcl with the hp laserjet 4 driver.

      We really don’t need cheap inkjet because they are just too expensive in a low print world.

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    59. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by mikael · · Score: 1

      As long as no first year students try and refill the toner with coffee, a laser printer will last years.

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    60. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Laser printers use a laser to create an electro-static charge on a metal drum. This drum then attracts the ink which is then heated and applied to the paper.
      It replaces the need for having hundreds of people to do the manual type-setting of metal letters onto metal drums, lithography and stripping of the metalwork afterwards.

      The UK had the Wapping Street riots because the unions had refused to modernize for years, and literally overnight found themselves replaced by word processors and commercial laser printers.

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    61. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by thsths · · Score: 1

      This.

      You can get a decent one with about 1000 pages of toner for very little money. Of course it is only black & white, but given the hassle free nature of it, that is a trade off I am happy to live with.

    62. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by thsths · · Score: 1

      There are way around that. Sun used to sell a "dumb" laser print, that was connected as a video device. It used the same logic as a monitor, just with a lower refresh rate: scanning the picture pixel by pixel in real time. Of course it was discontinued soon, but there is support for it in Ghostscript.

    63. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Distortions · · Score: 1

      Yep. I bought a cheap ($150) printer, ($120 if you get a refurb) black and white laser printer/scanner/fax/etc.
      Problem solved.

      Toner is super cheap ($50) and lasts a very long time(2500 pages).
      It connects via WiFi or ethernet and everything is good.

      Set it up with a static IP though
      (not hard, you can do it on the printer itself).

      Mac/Win and drivers still struggle with the IP changing...

      Even on this cheap printer, I'm able to print from my iPhone.

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    64. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Same story here. At the first network job I had I eventually fixed every printer in the place - except for the HP6P. When I needed a printer for home, I knew exactly which one I needed. Most reliable thing EVER!

      Sure, the parallel port is getting a little long in the tooth. I picked up a D-Link Parallel port to TCP/IP years ago to solve that. That thing will probably die before the printer does.

      IIRC, the 5P and 4P were just as good.

    65. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. You may have repaired my 4M. It lived to the next millennium!!

      Damn I wish I had not recycled that bitch.

    66. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      parallel port, which is getting really damn inconvenient to deal with,

      Shouldn't be too hard to turn that into a wireless printer with either an OTS print server or a small board computer mounted on the back.

    67. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you.

    68. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by tbuskey · · Score: 1

      I have a brother printer from ~2001 that is still working. I recently got another brother that does color and uses less electricity. The power savings will pay for the new printer and I got a color upgrade.

    69. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought a cheap samsung laser printer to avoid the last-minute queues in the computer rooms when writing my dissertation. It took me 10 years to get through the part-filled starter cartridge, although it needed shaking to declump the toner once every 2 or 3 years. The printer itself is still going strong, and realistically I'm never going to need to buy a third toner cartridge.

    70. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      So get on eBay and get a JetDirect card for it. A quick look shows one going for $5. Oh and while your at it some extra RAM and you will be fine for even complex pages. These printers are good for at least one million pages.

    71. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      At which point you just buy a maintenance kit. That's assuming you brought a suitable laser printer in the first place. My old LaserJet 5L is still doing sterling service at the local sailing club some 21 years later. Sure it needed the rollers and pickup replacing but that was about 13 years ago, and at one point fairly early on I did buy the 4MB RAM upgrade and these days it is hooked up via a USB to parallel lead, but every week it reliably prints out a few sheets.

    72. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Very much this. I got a cheap color laser printer for $300 a couple of years ago and it's perfect. I'll let it sit for 6 or 8 months at a time and it'll still quite happily print something the moment I fire it up.

      Ditto. Got a wireless Brother HL series printer, and while it gets used closer to every month or two, same thing. The deep sleep draws 8 Watts, so 8*24/1000 = 0.2 kWh/day, at $0.11/ kWh means it costs me $0.67/month to have it on standby, ready to warm up and print in 30 seconds when I decide that I need to print something from another room in the house.

      Toner's about in the same ballpark as inkjet ink...

      And here is where I'll pedantically disagree with you. If you let an inkjet set 6-8 months at a time, it likely costs you $60 in ink every time you want to print. Every two times at the most. This is where the color laser really shines. 3 years later it fires up and prints using that same toner that it had back then, no drying, clogging, or loss of performance.

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    73. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by Dogers · · Score: 1

      What used model was this?

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    74. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      yeah, I have an old Dell 1600n which has been unsupported since Windows XP. It works fine in Linux and I just use a driver for an HP laserjet 4100 or something similar in Windows 10.

      Bonus, I can scan from my linux console.

    75. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a cheap $100 brother laser is the way to go for home printers. Don't bother with color, just do that at work or at a photo shop.

    76. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Grab a jetdirect off ebay. They are dirt cheap. I just threw 2 away since they weren't worth selling.

      Here's an example, https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Je...

    77. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by ananamouse · · Score: 1

      I am an old fuddy greybeard and I use cursive and preferablly a '30s vintage Parker with a 14k gold nib. Be careful of using Noodlers Ink in your vintage stuff; I learned the hard way.
      When I do have to print I generally use Orator font.

      My Dad took a writing class and had the most beautiful Palmer runes.

    78. Re:What is the solution to printing rarely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Revisit that site and search for lasers. No, I won't spell it out for you. No jet spray nozzles on this one, and it isn't rocket science. I am done. Where do you get your ideas from? Websites? Take each one apart for sh*ts and giggles, then call me for the optional extended lesson; won't be using slashdot UID numbers on this one; not on an unarmed man.

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    79. Re: What is the solution to printing rarely? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      1355, not sure what the option was. I couldn't make it print from anything not Windows / Mac (apparently it can work with Linux with some futzing), but it could print PDFs from SMB or FTP shares (or a USB stick), so in the worst case you can print to PDF and make the printer print that. The model I got only had wired Ethernet support, but there's a version with WiFi.

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  2. B&W Laser by omnichad · · Score: 2

    If you only print once or twice a month, the printhead will dry out. And buying anything with printheads built into the cartridge will still cost almost as much to resolve when dried out as a new printer. Go for a black and white laser. Printing services for anything else.

    I print just enough with my inkjet to be OK.

    1. Re:B&W Laser by Major_Disorder · · Score: 1

      I came here to say exactly this.
      B&W laser for most printing, and anything that needs to be colour send it out to be printed.

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    2. Re:B&W Laser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you only print once or twice a month, the printhead will dry out.

      I keep hearing this but that's how often I print and my inkjet still runs fine after several years. The only time I've seen cartridges actually "dry-out" it was a printer that had been sitting idle for close to a year in a mostly unused office.

    3. Re: B&W Laser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe this drying out is an urban legend. I only print a few times a year and I have had the same Canon inkjet for years without any noticeable problems.

    4. Re: B&W Laser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you read invisible ink? Do you refill the cartridges with pee?

  3. Laser printers can sit a long time by Slugster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't get much, get yourself a cheaper black-only laser printer. There's some for ~$100 now if you shop around. The problem with inkjets is that the print heads dry out and clog if you don't use it regularly. And if you do use it regularly, then the ink cartridges cost a lot.

    Don't get me wrong, inkjet printers are fantastic for some purposes--but they are rather expensive to maintain.

    1. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by Higaran · · Score: 1

      You can even get a color one for ~$200, which is not that horrible of a price, I remember when cheap inkjets used to be that much.

    2. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with inkjet isn't the cost of the printer. The problem is: if you print one page, then try to print another one in six months, the ink will be dry and you'll have to get whole new ink.

      Forget inkjet, it's not worth it for almost any use case.

    3. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by Megane · · Score: 2

      The only problem with color laser printers is that they won't give photo-quality prints. Many years ago I tried to get my mom to use a color laser, and she hated it because it didn't have that 600dpi resolution. So she kept using clunky old inkjets that needed new cartridges every 3 or 4 months whether you used them or not, and "cleaning" seemed to use about a quarter tank of ink. Meanwhile, I weaned myself from printing during the 200x decade, and hardly print anything at all now unless it really needs to be a printed document.

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    4. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by antdude · · Score: 1

      What about in colors? ;)

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    5. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by shanen · · Score: 1

      I think this is the best summary I've seen of the overall discussion. Or at least it seems to capture my sense of the reading (halfway so far, but I'm continuing). The main thing I'd add is that I'm still a bit concerned about how a laser printer will handle thicker paper, such as business card stock. (If I ever got a mod point, I'd mod you [Megane (eyeglasses in Japanese?)] up.

      I read part of the discussion before leaving this morning, and stopped by an electronics store on my way home. They did have two low-end color laser printers around 200 bucks and black only for half that. I still think I want the pretty colors... I guess I also have some concern about low-end versus the other laser printers, but I tend to think most of that is speed, and I avoid printing in a hurry. (In a real hurry, emailing a PDF or other file is hard to beat.)

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    6. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Not sure why you think that. The cheap colour laser I bought 6-7 years ago did 1200dpi.

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    7. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Colour laser printers have gotten better in the last 10 years or so. There are some cheap models that can do 1200 dpi and excellent colour rendering.

    8. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by tbuskey · · Score: 1

      If you need photo quality and print often, an inkjet could be worth getting.

      If you don't print photos that often, you can use an online service or bring a USB stick to many places that will print on demand. No issues with paying to clear up dried ink and the quality can be quite good.

      If you're a photography geek, you can't manipulate the printing as much, but you're probably not letting the ink dry either.

    9. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Don't know I would recommend taking a USB stick anywhere. If you have a service like that burn a CD/DVD.

    10. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by Megane · · Score: 1

      Not sure why you think it was that recent. I'm talking about 15 or so years ago.

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    11. Re:Laser printers can sit a long time by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I assumed you were making a comment about recent printers because you used the present tense when you said 'The only problem with color laser printers is that they won't give photo-quality prints'. If your post had started 'The only problem with color laser printers is that 15 years ago they didn't give photo-quality prints' then I'd have read it very differently, but then it wouldn't have been making much of a point.

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  4. Laser, all the way by Octorian · · Score: 2

    Seriously, just get a cheap laser printer, throw it in a corner somewhere, and don't worry about it. They even make small cheap ones.

    Ink jets dry out over time, and the ink costs more than the printer itself.
    Laser toner basically lasts forever, and can print far more pages. As a bonus, its easier to find laser printers with longer-lived interface protocols.

    1. Re:Laser, all the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. When my dot matrix printer died, I made the mistake (only once) of getting an ink jet. With my typical printing quantities, it was irreparable within a year. I arranged a PC LOAD LETTER beating on it, bought a multi-function laser (printer/scanner/copier/fax), and have never looked back.

  5. Social printing by freddej · · Score: 1

    I guesd it depends on where you live; here in Sweden it's fairly common that libraries has printers and copiers where you can print for a few cents per copy. Just bring it o a memory stick or so.

    1. Re:Social printing by chill · · Score: 1

      United States, too. At home I just opted for an old, HP Laserjet 2300n and I expect it to outlive me. Whenever I travel, or am visiting my parents, I just go to the library with a USB drive and print.

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  6. Why buy? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's what the office printer is for.

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    1. Re:Why buy? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      That's what the office printer is for.

      I agree, if you're the kind of person who really prints so rarely your ink printer is clogged up every time then I'd say any boss that doesn't let you do that is a fool. If you have an absolute zero tolerance policy on using any company equipment for any non-job related duty whatsoever you're probably pissing away tenfold in productivity trying to save a few cents here and there. I mean I have heard rumors of places where office supply theft is rampant, but every time I think like "Your employees are malcontents and thieves who probably shirk as much work as possible, but staplers and paperclips are your biggest problems?"

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    2. Re:Why buy? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Some companies explicitly allow personal printing. It's environmentally responsible, as it means fewer printers and wasted ink/toner.

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    3. Re:Why buy? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Some companies explicitly allow personal printing. It's environmentally responsible, as it means fewer printers and wasted ink/toner.

      Why not; it's a cheap benefit as long as the employee isn't running a print business on the side.

  7. Stop using inkjets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Get a laser printer, they can sit around for years in-between prints and will keep working just fine.

  8. laser printer from amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a laser printer from amazon for around 100$

    1. Re: laser printer from amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from NewEgg. screw Amazon

  9. I'm thinking of getting a laser printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm thinking of getting a cheap laser printer because I'm under the impression they wont dry out like an inkjet. It'd be black and white only, and then I'd print color somewhere else if I really needed to, but at least I'd have something I could print out documents on in a pinch.

  10. I print what is necessary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some medical forms now and then. A ticket or a confirmation. Some maps if I'm unsure about cell coverage. But reports and paperwork? No... Sorry HP, I don't need to print every day, and even giving out free ink isn't going to sway me.

  11. Use printer at the office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every place I've worked at has been ok with a couple of pages every few months, so long as it doesn't become excessive.

  12. laser is what by rriven · · Score: 1

    Get laser, toner does not have this problem.

    i got a b/w laser printer for $30 on sale once.

    for about $150 - 250 you can get a color laser.

    the ink savings alone are worth it.

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  13. No I print just the right amount by redmid17 · · Score: 1

    I have a multi-function printer that scans/copies/prints. I rarely use it. Maybe one a month or so. By far the biggest thing I use it for is concert tickets I can't bring up on my phone. In a distance second is printing something out to sign and send back to some entity who doesn't know what digital signatures are.

  14. Get a decent laser printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I print maybe one document a month, it would be less than that if I didn't play D&D on the regular.

    A decent laser printer and its toner can be put in storage for ages without having any issues coming back online, at least from personal experience. I like having it in reserve the same way I like having a scanner in reserve, good to have when u need it

    A cheap-o inkjet will develop serious clogs in storage, not to mention ink carts just expiring (again, experience).

    Going to a actual shop to print stuff is always an option, there are plenty of places that do it, how secure they are I can't say.
    Roll the dice

  15. My solution by markdavis · · Score: 1

    I had this problem, not printing enough. I scan more often than printing. After the last in a series of color HP inkjet printers died, I had enough. Enough of the exorbitant ink prices, "expiring" cartridges, clogged printheads, inability to print in black if some stupid "light cyan" is too low, having to clear error messages all the time about the ink is too old or too low or whatever....

    I bought a multifunction Brother MFC-L2740DW and have not looked back. Laser printer, black and white. It just works. The toner lasts forever and never expires. It works with third-party cartridges just fine. The pages print quickly with almost no "warm up" time and the ink doesn't smear and is waterproof. And on top of that, Linux support was excellent, and it has a myriad of useful features (even a color touchscreen and autonomous PDF creation). Double-sided printing, fax (how quaint), TWO SIDED scanning in one pass, ADF, and all for under $300!

    So if you can live without color, jump to a networked B&W laser printer and don't look back.

    1. Re:My solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a lot to said for PCL. I'm stuck with telling people to get such printers, and explaining to them that otherwise the printer wont work with our services. Its astounding how many people get the cheapest inkjet and demand that we have make it work.

  16. Inactivity ink waste by Dorianny · · Score: 1

    Inexpensive printers: The cost of new printers is quite low, but how long can the printer sit there without printing before it dies? Most every inkjet printer has a function which will flush a little ink to keep the head from clogging when not used regularly. You just must remember to not leave it powered off accidentally. According to tests Lexmark and HP use up quite a bit of ink for this process. Brother printers wasted the least ink during periods of inactivity

  17. Never seen a printer die from non-use by millertym · · Score: 0

    I think you should go the cheap printer route and just keep occasionally using it until it dies. Don't plan on replacing it ever. I know HP has a 2.99 a month (for the smallest 50 page a month or less plan) service that will detect your ink health and send you new cartridges when you need them. Maybe that would be worth considering in this case? Around 36 dollars a year to make sure your ink is good to go used with a cheap HP printer? They call it the HP Instant Ink program.

    1. Re:Never seen a printer die from non-use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, lets see...I paid $70 for a refurbished monochrome laser printer. Toner cartridges are about $8 each, and will print up to 3000 pages each. That means that the toner I have will last me over a year. I could pay $40 for a cheap inkjet printer, then $35 every 2 months for ink because the cartridges have dried out, or have run out of ink. BTW Inkjet ink costs about $2000 to $3000 a gallon (you only get a very tiny amount in each cartridge). I wasn't printing photos anyway, its way cheaper to take the photo files on the flash drive to WalMart.

    2. Re:Never seen a printer die from non-use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I joined it recently. I had an old Canon that used to do de-clogging maintenance. With my low volume of printing, I was still going through a full set of tanks in a year just because of all the cleaning it was doing.

      Did the math - Instant Ink will save me about 25% of my ink costs thereabouts. I don't think it's quite as smart as they say - they just shipped me spare tanks immediately to hold onto, despite it being a brand new printer. I imagine as soon as I replace them I'll get the next ones in the mail automatically.

  18. papyrus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For those rare times I ever need to print anything anymore I hand cut and beat papyrus over a rock until it's nice and flat. Then scroll the desired text using squid ink and feather quills.

    Look, this is not that hard and hardly /. worthy. Must be s slow news day...

    Forget about cheap inkjet printers. If you only use them occasionally you'll find the print heads dried up and useless every time you have a print emergency. Get a cheap laser printer (they really are cheaper now). Un-plug it when you're not using it to save power. It'll last a life time and pay for itself many times in printing costs over that lifetime.

    1. Re:papyrus by msauve · · Score: 2

      You started out on the right track, but then went to laser printers.

      An Epson MX-80 is what he wants - the ribbons take years to dry out.

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    2. Re:papyrus by shanen · · Score: 1

      I'd give you the funny mod if I ever got a mod point. However, my first printer beats your Epson MX-80. I can't remember the brand name, but it was a dot-matrix thermal paper printer.

      My second or third printer was a Brother with two daisy wheels. One was for the italic font, and I think it was so fancy as to have a red ribbon for two colors, too. Good experience with that one, but my second Brother printer (after a long gap filled with various other printers) was a huge disappointment. This discussion has me reconsidering the brand. The Brother color laser was substantially less expensive and smaller than the Canon offering...

      I also remember a TI printer that was a pretty good workhorse. Also several HPs, which were mostly pretty good, except for the ink cartridge problems that caused me to ask the question that way... (These days HP seems to have disappeared locally as far as the stores are concerned, so I'm not even seeing it as an option.)

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  19. Yup I print too little... by Freischutz · · Score: 1

    I make very few attempts to print hardcopies of documents these days and when I do the printer usually develops some problem. I am now pondering the hypothesis that printers are malevolent sentient robots who don't like me and pretend to break down every time I try to print a hardcopy of anything at all

    1. Re:Yup I print too little... by shanen · · Score: 1

      My joke along these lines was that there hasn't been a good printer since Benjamin Franklin died. Today's printers are spawn of Satan and only exist to mangle as much paper as you can feed them.

      Having said that, there seems to be a strong consensus in the discussion in favor of a laser printer. I didn't mention that I definitely want color, and I should also have mentioned that I print on various kinds and sizes of paper, but the overall discussion has definitely convinced me to take a close look at the current color laser printer options.

      Another consensus around inkjets jamming, but the HP printing insurance program was interesting

      Kind of surprised there were so few reactions related to photo-printing places. Now I'm wondering why the Slashdot folk don't roll that way...

      Also no mention (so far) of out-of-production models? When I used to sell computer stuff, I sure thought that was where the best values lay.

      The library idea was another good lead to look into. I'm something of a connoisseur of libraries. Even wrote a blog comparing over 20 library systems with something like 200 branches... But I've never investigated whether they have printers with the copiers.

      Out of time, but generalized thanks for all your thoughtful comments, and I'll read more when I get back...

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  20. Buy a cheap B&W laser by seoras · · Score: 1

    I bought an HP LaserJet P1102w mid-2014, which sits on my desk and is rarely ever used, for about $150
    I just went to see how much it cost today and they've doubled in price. I wonder if it's because sales volume have dropped so much?

    Anyway with the laser it's a powder not a liquid like inkjet so it doesn't dry out over time if left unused.
    I've replace the toner once in the time I've had it (which was roughly 3/4 the cost of the printer itself)

    I'm struggling to remember what I use it for. Mostly things my kids want printed out.
    Their favourite colouring in picture which I've scanned from it's book - yeah I'm cheap. :)
    Oh, I just remembered! I printed my tickets, after booking online, for "The Last Jedi" last week. ;)

  21. Laser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought a $50 laser printer almost a decade ago. It still prints the few time a year I need to print. It's said "toner low" for over two years now.

    1. Re:Laser by Myself · · Score: 1

      I bought a $200 color laser almost a decade ago. Most of what I do is black-and-white, shipping labels and such (bonus: toner doesn't smear when it gets damp), but it's also great for occasional flyers, reference charts, and other items that benefit from color. I've replaced the black cartridge once, I'm on the original CMY cartridges, and it's just a quiet little box that sits in the corner, unplugged until I need it to reduce standby power consumption.

      The drivers situation is a little stupid, given that it's a Samsung instead of an HP, but now Samsung has sold their printer business to HP so who knows what the next update may bring.

  22. Laser printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop using crappy inkjet printers and get a laser printer. They aren't very expensive and you don't have to worry about the toner drying out. Laser printouts last much longer than inkjet as well (lots of cheaper ink fades over time). Since you explicitly aren't printing photos you don't need one of the more expensive laser printers. I've been using the same laser printer for the last 17 years and it had 6 years of use in a school lab before I got it.

  23. Thumb drive - Kinko's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put it on a thumb drive and go print it at Kinko's/Staples/Office Max

  24. Colour Laser by AirFrame · · Score: 1

    Best purchase I've made in a long time is a Brother MFC-9340CDW. Duplex full-colour printing when I need it, with the bonus of double-sided scanning and copying. I've used the sheet feeder on the scanner more times than I can count, and I never pause to think whether to print in black and white or draft mode... I just print. Two years in on the original toner cartridges and haven't got a low toner message yet.

    Inkjets are for people who want to line Epson or HP's pockets with money to pay for dried out ink cartridges.

    1. Re:Colour Laser by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      High 5 to the brother fanboy!

      Best purchase I've made in a long time is a Brother MFC-9340CDW.

      HL3170CDW here (color laser double sided).

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  25. no by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    No. Next question?

  26. Mid Laser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I print maybe a few dozen pages a year, but I wanted it to be easy to use, good quality and reliable. I'm using a Brother black-and-white laser multifunction, with a built-in duplexer and wifi in addition to the normal fax/scanner stuff. I think it cost around $200, and I've had it for several years and it's had no problems at all. Even the management software to receive scans, etc. is pretty lightweight on Windows and you can use most of the core functions without it using the OS standard drivers.

  27. The office by AuMatar · · Score: 1

    I print about 3 or 4 pages a year, in a big year. Not worth owning a printer. In an emergency, I'll go to FedEx.

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  28. Linux Supported Laser Models? by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

    I am running Linux Mint 17.2 (i.e. the lastest), anyone know if there are driver problems with these cheap laser printers?

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    1. Re: Linux Supported Laser Models? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Brother. Zero problems with Linux over the years. Got a BW for around 120$, duplex, WiFi. Haven't looked back.

    2. Re:Linux Supported Laser Models? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you use Linux?

    3. Re:Linux Supported Laser Models? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Running both Ubuntu 16.04 and Mageia 5. Zero problems with my Brother HL-2270DW

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  29. Why not do both? by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 1

    Get a small mono laser printer for the occasional job at home. I'm not sure why the submitter seems to have forgotten that these exist--the "drying out" problem is unique to inkjets. There are several lasers under $100 USD (e.g., the Brother HL-L2300D) and even the starter toner will probably last years if you print so infrequently. (Though I'd probably opt for an MFD myself so I can get a scanner, too--comes in handy.)

    Then, if you do want to print photos or fancy color, etc., use a service. Maybe even test a B&W draft at home first now that you can. This is what I did before I bought a color laser printer (again not too expensive, though if I printed more often the toner would probably get me).

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    1. Re:Why not do both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe, my specialty...
      I don't print often, but when I do, they tend to be big print jobs. I'm giving three books away for Christmas, and at ~720 pages each, that's a lot of printing and binding.
      I have a couple of Canon Pro Inkjets for the Photos/Mixed Text pages, and a Brother Laser for the pure Text pages. Laser Printers are absolute Rubbish for Photographic-Grade reproduction. This is deliberate, and it isn't going to change. (Yellow dots, anybody?)
      Here's a neat trick: Canon makes B&W only Inkjet Printers, but they aren't sold in the US. They use Tanks for the ink, and working it out, ink costs are about 0.2 cents a page. These are the Workhorse Printers of the Third World, where Electricity is unreliable, and Laser Printers suck up too much of it. But you can roll your own! Get any old 4 or 5 Ink Inkjet Printer, and refill the Color Cartridges with generic Black ink as needed. Then you can print anything... in Black and White, and actual B&W Photos come out looking far better than what Lasers are capable of. Don't forget, those $150,000 Commercial Printers use Inkjet technology. Laser printers are low volume devices meant pretty much strictly for text, and if that is all that you do, don't bother with Inkjets. But with surprisingly little extra care, Inkjets won't clog or dry out, and can be just as cheap to run as a Laser printer.

      Why not use a Print Service? Check out their EULAs some time. Most of my Photography is Copyrighted and Trademarked; places like Walmart and Costco officially will not print out obviously Copyrighted work, without a Photographer's Release. Such Releases give them Allied & Ancillary Rights, including the Right of Reproduction for Promotional purposes. If they like a Photo, it may show up on a Coffee Mug in an Advertisement. This goes for pretty much _all_ online Publishing as well. Pinterest outright steals Photographs. They may not be as obvious about this as Corbus and Getty... Getty sues people for using their own Photography, even if no Contractual relationship previously existed.
      No, I print my Photobooks out myself, and give them away. This way, the only way my images appear online is if I deliberately put them there myself. (FWIW, all Rights to my Photography for between 1978 and 2009 have already been assigned to the University of California. They have better Printers.)

      Captcha: autonomy

  30. Last printed something by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    About 2 years ago. I went to the library with a memory stick. Cost about $,.50 for all my printing needs.

    Back in the day, paper was cheaper than storage, Now I just copy things to my phone or tablet or laptop I don't use paper unless I'm starting a fire...

    1. Re:Last printed something by michiganbob · · Score: 1

      I don't use paper unless I'm starting a fire...

      And there's always plenty of junk mail for that...

  31. Brother Laser printer by enigmatichmachine · · Score: 1

    I have the HL-L2300D or whatever the equivalent was from 8 years ago. I've run ~1500 pages of boarding passes, tickets, tax forms and whatnot through it. haul it out of the closet, plug it in to any computer, and it will have drivers, it will print what you want and not bother you.

    I suspect it will last forever. Oh, and it was $45 when I bought it. keep an eye out for sales.

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    1. Re:Brother Laser printer by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I second the Brother laser printer.

      I bought one. It had the lowest specs for the highest price in the class.

      It's uncanny, though. Every time I tell it to print, it prints. No problems ever. This is an experience that I find kind of creepy becaue it seems so unusual.

      But seriously, get a PS Brother laser printer. And don't cheap out, it's not worth it. The thing that swung me was the lack of negative reviews. No one ever seemed to complain that Brother's break.

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  32. Brother laser printers by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    I got one of these

    https://www.which.co.uk/review...

    It's a laser so the it doesn't have the problem of the ink drying out like my old HP multifunction color inkjet. It prints and scans with my Windows 7 machine, my Mac and my Android devices. The toner cartridges are cheap and last 1000 pages.

    The only downside is that, unlike my old HP inkjet it doesn't do color. But, realistically, how many times do you need that? And if I did I could get printed somewhere else.

    Basically don't buy an inkjet - they cost a fortune in ink cartridges if you only use them infrequently. Buy a cheap mono laser printer or a mono laser multifunction device if you do a lot of scanning.

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  33. Sell inkjet ink on Amazon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then buy color laser printer with profits.

  34. Dot matrix all the way by j2.718ff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My dad has a side business, and he uses a dot matrix printer for the invoices. He's been using the same printer for over 25 years, and I believe he's on his second printer ribbon. The printing isn't very dark, but it's perfectly readable.

    1. Re:Dot matrix all the way by kschendel · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, the purchase price on a dot-matrix like the classic Okidata 320 is likely to be higher than a cheapo monochrome laser printer. If you keep it long enough, the dot-matrix might be cheaper to run overall. For minimum hassle with connectivity, drivers, etc I'd go with the cheap laser.

      For very infrequent usage, inkjets are a non-starter.

  35. During my snail mail days... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a $200 Brother laser printer for seven years before the laser drum gave up the ghost after 30,000+ pages. The replacement cost of the laser drum was $200. I got a newer model of the same laser printer for $100 (a Labor Day special). I haven't gone through a case of paper in the last three years. The publishing industry is almost entirely paperless these days.

  36. Printing Services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or should we say copying services take anything from school work and photos to technical drawings and books. They take PDFs among others which you can format, print to a file and check before sending. The reason for using them is usually commercial: your prints are paid by your client, part of a legislative or legal process, or you need something special like a roll or an A0 prints. That said, I once got my full color primary school work printed on the side with my father's A0 drawings. Foils of Lascaux cave paintings with deep, professional level colors were really nice thing to present.

  37. UPS Store. Kinkos. Etc. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    Your local "print shop" or shipping store will print stuff from one page to hundreds. I use them all the time.

  38. All my prints are too little! by BobC · · Score: 1

    I have a tiny 3D printer (101Hero).

  39. Public library or community college by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Printing is cheaper than going to a office store and if the ink messes up, they won't dare charge you for it and tax dollars make sure they always have ink and paper; it is a library after all and all counties have a few of them. Or, you can go to a local community college and print for free as a student if it's for "class."

  40. Second this by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    buy a Brother printer. They're boxy but good. Oh, and you can get the toner carts for $10 bucks if you buy off brand and they work fine. For the once a year I need color I spend $5 bucks getting it printed on the color laser at Kinkos.

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    1. Re:Second this by secPM_MS · · Score: 1

      I have been using Brother workgroup printers for years. I will go long times without printing, and then print 60 page double sided docs. The printers are relatively cheap - and fast. And they are cheap to run. My current version eats full reams of paper. Even the Brother cartridges work out to about $.01 per side of print, and the no-name cartridges are far cheaper.

  41. toner by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    I bought a printer with toner that doesn't dry out.

  42. e waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    e waste i.e. throw away printers, monitor and the like end up in dumps in Asia where people melt them down for gold and poison themselves. Just create a cron job or calendar event remind you to 'exercise' your printer once a month. I have three and use one on a regular basis. The other two are an office application, scanner, fax copier, and color printer and one that prints well on CD and DVDs. I exercise them also.

    1. Re: e waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet: stop promoting thosr industries and go laser.
       

  43. $2/page by kwelch007 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're spending $200 on a printer every couple of years, and only printing 100 or so pages during its lifetime, that's $2/page. Kinkos is probably looking like a cheaper alternative.

    1. Re:$2/page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While Kinkos sounds like a good option based on that price, if Kinkos is a 10 minute trip away and out of the 100 pages you print, they are all either individual pages or in the series of 'print, look, modify parameters, repeat' where you would have to go there each time, the time savings alone (let alone gas/bus fare) would make owning worth it.

    2. Re:$2/page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes however if you look outside that, you can find more options, generally at least one of which is convenient to your trip to or from work each day. They all have online print ordering, so you set yourself up with a PDF printer, get it right, then send in the PDfs for printing and pick up the next day.

      That said... just get a laserjet, and a dust cover/case for it.

    3. Re:$2/page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinkos is probably looking like a cheaper alternative.

      Only if your time is free.

  44. HP Laser Printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make it easy on yourself and get an HP, or Lexmark laser printer.
    If you have the money buy HP, and if you don't buy Lexmark.
    Stay the hell away from Ink Jet printers their crap..

  45. Laser printer by NeoMorphy · · Score: 1

    As others have pointed out, inkjet printers have issues with infrequent use. Laser printer toner doesn't have this problem.

    Laser printers are also a lot faster. When you are in a hurry, the inkjet printers are way too slow. You don't have to worry about moisture causing your printouts to run. It's great for UPS labels, concert tickets, and boarding passes.

    When pricing printers, remember to look at the cost of replacing ink/toner cartridges.

  46. Dot matrix printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use a Lexmark dot matrix forms printer, which was being trown away, it has both parallel and USB, no need to warmup like a laser and ribbons (which also don't stop you from printing when they're wornout) can be had for the price of a single inkjet cartridge.

    Only downsides are the noise and that there doesn't seem to be a driver on Linux/CUPS

  47. No need for a printer by Jack9 · · Score: 1

    Anything I need I can either photo with my phone and send or get printed at FedEx Office from Washington State to New York to Florida to Southern California. A printer is a waste of money and space, unless you are a business.

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  48. walking distance cheap copy shop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a long time copy and stationary shop walking distance that's still under priced.

  49. According to Betteridge, the answer is no. by sconeu · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  50. I use Staples by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    It's within walking distance of my place, costs $0.13 cents a page to print black and white. A printer would be more than $100, so that's about 700 pages before it ceases to be cost effective. I print less than 100 pages a year. If I bought a printer it would take 7 years to recoup my investment. Not including paper and ink costs.

    If I ever have to print more than 100 pages at one time, then I would buy a printer. But as long as I am printing on average 20 pages a month, I use staples.

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    1. Re:I use Staples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, your time has no value? Or does it take zero time to walk down the road and get them to print your page?

  51. buy an old laser printer by steak · · Score: 1

    I currently have a laserjet 4050 and print 5 or less pages a day. I haven't changed the toner since at least 2010.

  52. An Inkjet with Continuous Ink System is excellent by Traf-O-Data-Hater · · Score: 0

    It's incredible that people dismiss heavy use of inkjets when they don't bother to use a Continuous Ink System (CIS), or haven't even heard of them. With our CIS attached to a regular cheapo printer, my family prints HUNDREDS of pages per month, full color with no problem at all. The ink is cheap and easy to top up. Since it is used so regularly it almost never needs a printhead clean operation. Take a look on eBay to see if there is a CIS for your model printer.
    I don't bother with the all of the Laser Printers I have anymore. Too much trouble to warm up, takes a lot of desk space and there's the carcinogenic airborne micro particles from the toner fuser I don't want to breathe.
    Remember: inkjet without a CIS = madness BUT Inkjet with CIS = absolutely brilliantly wonderful.

  53. Public libraries in some areas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some library systems in Canada and USA have free printing (x pages per day) with your library card.

  54. None by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Social printing:
    Printing services:

    I involves getting up from the couch and putting something on other than underwear, so no.

    Inexpensive printers:

    Get a refurbished iPad (if you haven't one already) and print to a PDF.
    This is the 3. millennium after all.

    1. Re:None by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't "the 3. millennium". Call it the 3rd millennium AD/CE if you like, the suffix is important as it marks where you are counting from, as humans have been around a lot longer than 3 millennia.

      Apologies for my pedantry, but it irked me and I was bored.

  55. HP Laser Printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought a P 1006 on sale for ~$100 around ten years ago. I finally ran out of toner a month or two ago, and need to replace it.

    That thing is a beast of a machine. Fast, cheap, and it just works. There's a lot of stuff it won't do with B&W @100 DPI, but it does everything I need.

    Now to replace the original toner cartridge.

  56. I own four printers but rarely use them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All hooked up over USB to a Linux box. Meant to turn it into a CUPS-based print server. That didn't work. Ended up using the free version of VirtualHere to connect the printers to my desktop over LAN. It's effective but hacky.

    I've been building up my equipment towards the goal of a creating a startup business, but the going is slow. I think that's the only legitimate use of printers these days is to do business startup-ey things like print receipts, invoices, and labels for physical packages going into the mail. Haven't had a use for a 3D printer. My experience with inkjets is that they chew through ink like no tomorrow. Laserjets can sit around for years and still work like a champ when you fire them up. I saw an article recently comparing laserjet to inkjet and showed that laser costs less per page than inkjet. However, dot matrix apparently beat both ink and laser in cost but only if you do a crapton of low-quality, fixed-width printing.

    Thermal label printers are wonderful if you send a ton of packages through the mail. Consistent, crisp results. No worries about jamming up sticky label residue on the internal guts of the printer. Thermal labels cost a bit more than normal sheets of labels but are well worth the extra cost if you print lots of labels.

  57. Be like Japan, print at 7-11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Japanese convenience stores almost universally have a internet connected combined copier/scanner/printer with associated touchscreen PC terminal (which has wifi/bluetooth, USB, and assorted card readers). They also (by store chain) have an associated internet printing service allowing you to send printjobs from a PC or smartphone.

    Just send the printjob from home, roll into your nearest store, and buy some food/drink/snacks while you print. Reasonably high quality printing, from a machine that gets regularly maintained by contract technicians. Reasonable prices, and the store is usually a very short walk for most people, you were probably going to buy snacks anyways, so the convenience factor is hard to ignore.

  58. LaserJet 1000 by ruddk · · Score: 1

    I bought a LaserJet 1000 many years ago(17?) an I finally cleaned out the closet space this year and got rid of the printer. It still worked, it was still on it's first toner, but the onboard processor was emulated in the software driver and was discontinued after Windows XP so getting it to work seemed impossible(/not worth the time) and it would not just accept PCL because of that.
    So I think they answer is, yes I don't print much. :D

  59. Colour laser printer ftw by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    A few years ago I bought a colour laser network Brother printer.
    Prints good
    Hasn't broken down
    No ink to dry out
    Cheap printer
    Cheap toner
    Full-duplex printing
    Builtin network
    Drivers for windows, mac, linux. Apparently it works on Android and iPhones too.

  60. Re:An Inkjet with Continuous Ink System is excelle by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Except this is an article about people who don't print enough to stop an inkjet printer from drying out.

  61. Toner/wax printer by guruevi · · Score: 1

    These days there are plenty of options. There are "laser" printers (these days it's just LED) and there are a few Xerox wax printers. They run forever, have really cheap toner ($20/5000 pages for off-brand cartridges), often networked and really high quality prints both in text and photos. For the occasion you still want a printed photo, go to your local Walmart or any number of online printing services.

    All-in-all though, I don't print very much anymore. I print perhaps some coloring pages for the kids and the odd document that I will need to present for legal reasons. I actually haven't connected my printer for about a year now.

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  62. more trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the more people print, the more trees there are..... without printing, we wouldn't manage the forests anymore.

    I tell people at work, that if they care anything about the environment at all, that they'll print as much as they can.

  63. A couple times a year by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    I need to print something a couple of times a year. What I do is email the document to my local copy shop, then pick it up at my convenience.

  64. Re:UPS Store. Kinkos. Etc. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    Yup, this is the perfect solution for "low volume" I've done this for a "few" books.

    Also, _why_ print when I have a 3840 x 2160 monitor in Portrait mode for reading (PDFs) ?

    I only do hard-copy for the really important stuff.

  65. Paper-feed rubber rollers fail by Flu · · Score: 1

    I dropped ink-jet printing a couple of years ago when the constant issue of clogged nozzles were superseded by paper jams caused by aging rubber rollers. I replaced it with a B/W laser printer, since I've since long realized online print-shops would produce higher quality (and larger) prints at a reasonable cost overnight. Now I'm switching to a color laser printer, since I routinely print incoming invoices for book-keeping, screendumps for temporary use etc. The cost is ~1:30 SEK/page (14€c/15$c) Since I'm renting it for 3 years, I guess I'll replace it at the end of the rental period.

  66. Canon printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a inexpensive Canon printer. After getting clogged heads from previous printers sitting idle, I have learned that just printing the Google home page (or any other page with all the basic colors) once a week keeps the heads fresh and like new.
    I rarely print anything else (a couple pages a month) but my printer still works like new after 2 1/2 years. A recently printed test grid came out perfect.

  67. Lexmark !! by MiliusXP · · Score: 1

    I think Lexmark are the creator of planned obsolescence.... HP still support older models than Lexmark.(Drivers are compatible with Win10 64 bits for HP PSC1315)

  68. I print out all Facebook posts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I print out every facebook post that appears in my newsfeed and I pin them up at all the local grocery stores - just to give recipe ideas to shoppers there.

  69. I only print by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    My cursive isn't worth a damn.

  70. University Surplus Later Printers by nichogenius · · Score: 1

    This probably doesn't apply to everyone, but I found an old (ugly beige colored) HP laser jet printer at my University's surplus store for $.25. It took a bit of cleaning on the rollers, but I just hooked it into my LAN via an ethernet cable and it works great! I literally paid 12 times for the paper for what I did for the printer and she works like a champ :)

    1. Re:University Surplus Later Printers by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Those HP beasts are real workhorses. Got enough refilled toner cartridges for mine to last the rest of my life (unless I meet my objective of at least 108 so I can say I experienced both the U.S. Bicentennial and Tricentennial)

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  71. tax payer subsidized printers in the US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    public library. 10 cents a page

  72. Print Daily by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    Since I sell a lot of stuff on Etsy and eBay (2017 has been a great year for sales of various collectibles and other miscellany I deal in), I print stuff daily, except usually on the weekends when I let sales accumulate and then do my packaging and shipping on Monday. I use a networked HP LaserJet 4100 that my little brother gave me (along with enough refilled toner cartridges to last me a lifetime. I think I have only had to replace the cartridge once during the past decade I have had the printer...At least I think it has been that long).

    Also have an old Kodak EasyShare photo printer hooked up to an XP box for when I want a framed color print of something. Probably about time to get this Scrooge McDuck piece finally printed out and framed for my workspace: https://cdn-ssl.s7.disneystore...

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  73. Definitely laser printer by xushi · · Score: 1

    Definitely laser printer - similar to what everyone else said about the advantages (lasts, doesn't dry, etc).

    In addition, you can find cheaper toners, and depending on where you are, refill existing ones at a fraction of a cost.

    It used to cost me ~$5 to refill mine that prints up to 4,000 pages. Yes slight less in quality but who cares... It turned out cheaper to do that and print my PDFs than to buy the soft/hardback books.

    My advice, search for second hand ones on the trading sites (gumtree, trademe, or whatever).. I managed to get mine for free from someone who donated his on one of those sites.

    Alternatively, if you hardly print anything and just need a few pages, just print at a mate's house, or at work..

  74. I am Surprised People Still Print by WindowsStar · · Score: 1

    I am shocked and surprised that people still print. My family and friends and most of the people I have met don't print at all. Anything I have to print and I mean absolutely have to print I print to a folder I called "Virtual Printer" as a PDF. If I need that to go with me somewhere I just send it to my phone. There is no need to have a paper copy of it. If someone needs a copy I email it to them. Again this amazes me, I have been doing this for 6 years now and 3 or 4 years for everyone else. At my work we don't print at all, in fact there are no printers for the last 4 years, anything that needs to be circulated is sent by email. I really assumed printing was a thing of the past.

  75. Ask your friends. by DarkVader · · Score: 1

    I haven't bought a printer in forever, I think the last one I bought was in the early '90s. I have been handed dozens over the years, I've managed to give most of them away, but I've still got quite a few. Ask around, somebody you know probably has a stack of color lasers. I know I do.

    Every time I've tried to talk somebody into taking one lately, they've turned down a free printer. And we're not talking junk, the inkjets go straight to recycling, I don't even bother. Brother MFC-9840s, HP 4000s, that sort of thing I keep, but nobody wants one. I only need 4 or 5 printers myself, just so I don't have to walk to another room to pick up a printout if I feel lazy that day.

    Seriously, ask around. Somebody you know probably has extras.

  76. I too use a laser printer by aklinux · · Score: 1

    I avoid printing like it's the plague. I just don't want to file and store the damn paper. 98% of the time a PDF works just fine for me. I just print things out for people who insist it's still the 20th century. I have a decent HP laser I bought new about 5 years ago that I use most of the time when I'm forced to print something. I can also use my office's Minolta laser when needed.

  77. That's what the shirt says by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    I don't just print it, I wear it.

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  78. Copier functions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have an old laser all in one. I use it most for copying papers. I may only print 10 pages a year, but I seem to photocopy about 200 pages

  79. Don't buy a Lexmark or HP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chances are it will be broken just after the warranty period ends, even if you have printed less than twenty pages.

  80. Re:An Inkjet with Continuous Ink System is excelle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that Traf-O is right; I've already mentioned Tank Printers in another response. I'll be finished printing out some 1500 pages by next Monday... and then I probably won't be printing much of anything again until April. By then some Canon Tank Printers may be on the Used Market at a reasonable price.
    The Trick is keeping Air away from Inkjet Ink. Professionals back their Ink Tanks with Dry Nitrogen, and keep the Printheads moist between Runs. A droplet of Ethylene Glycol there helps. CIS also keeps Air out. Clogs don't just happen at the Printhead; they can form within the inks themselves.
    At one time in the past, some HP Inkjet's ink was kept in ~100ml Bags. The Bags collapsed as the ink was used, keeping Air out. HP, in search of profits, discontinued the Bag system around 15 years ago, going for smaller disposable foam-filled Cartridges instead, like everybody else, that of course clogged on a regular basis. Profits assured.
    I'm somewhat surprised, given the generally higher level of technological expertise here, that so many responses betray a fundamental ignorance about how Printers actually work. Which of course I explain in excruciatingly boring detail in some of those 1500 pages mentioned earlier...

  81. Thanx and a tip of the hat. In conclusion... by shanen · · Score: 2

    Very enlightening discussion. Basically I had ignored the laser printer option because I thought the upfront cost was too high and also wanted the option to print photos.

    Wait, I almost never print a photo, but just send the link. Given that the low-end laser printers are so low, now I'm pretty sure I can find a really good value on a laser printer if I keep my eyes open for a few months... No rush that I know of.

    Minor concerns do remain. WiFi printing from Windows 10, Mac OS, and Linux was not mentioned much. Also, not sure how much I should worry about the cartridge refill costs and long-term availability.

    However, all in all there was a lot of useful information and many interesting testimonials here. My thanks to all the contributors, for what little that's worth. Gratitude and a couple of bucks can still get you a cup of coffee?

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    1. Re:Thanx and a tip of the hat. In conclusion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My laser jet (hp series 1000, bad choice, btw because the firmware needs to be loaded on to the printer every time it starts up...) is now probably 18 years old... and I can still get toner cartridges for it.
      My parents laserjet (HP laserjet series II) is in their basement and cartridges can still be found for it, and that thing is probably 30 years old now.

      As for wifi printing, my solution for my series 1000 (after HP killed support for it, so no drivers for newer OS's) was to hook it up to a raspberry pi, load up debian, CUPS and samba on there, and I can print from pretty much anything over the network (MAC, linux, android, windows, probably IOS and anything else that comes out in our life times... no one is really revisiting printers to change the communications protocols on them any more).
      Rpi takes care of loading the firmware and all the non-standard driver stuff. So long as I can get it working on linux (which that and mac os are the two places I can get it to work... and Mac OS requires a lot of effort to get it up and running) it will continue to be my printer for the few pages a year I actually print

    2. Re:Thanx and a tip of the hat. In conclusion... by hjf · · Score: 1

      If you want to print photos in low volumes, you can have them printed for a few cents almost anywhere, or you can buy a dedicated photo printer, such as the Canon SELPHY which uses dye sublimation, which means no liquid ink to dry up. That last bit really depends on your needs. It's a very niche market.

      I have a shop, and "on the side" we print A3+ size inkjet copies. Obviously we use a CISS (Continuous Ink Supply System, in other words, external ink tanks with hoses connected to the print head), Maintenance is such a bitch. We do print something at least once a week, but sometimes the head "de-primes" and you have to spend a lot of ink re-priming the head. The amount of ink I spend re-priming a print head is more or less "one cartridge" (or about 10ml)

      But then again, 1000ml of each color costs $5.

    3. Re:Thanx and a tip of the hat. In conclusion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had about six (non laser) printers through my entire life, and last year finally broken down and bought for under $350 when the Brother would refuse to print a B/W paper due to low Cyan ink. Got a HP Laserjet Pro M252dw Wireless Color Printer, (B4A22A): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S74JAHK/

      Best purchase ever; should have done this years ago.
      I only print 1-6 pages every 3 months or so.

      So far I haven't had to purchase replacement toner. They are not cheap but will last much longer compared to ink jet.
      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J5ZHSVE

    4. Re:Thanx and a tip of the hat. In conclusion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This past Black Friday, there were deals at Staples for a Samsung Laser printer with WiFi printing around the $120 range. Maybe keep an eye for a deal next year?

  82. I use the library by Titanek · · Score: 1

    I've had to print maybe a handful of times the past decade, and in all cases it only cost me around $0.20 equivalent per page in my nations currency when I printed at the library.

  83. Use your workplace printer by damaki · · Score: 1

    Unless your workplace has crazy printing policy, just use their printer for your few pages a year.
    I have totally given up printing at home, because it is far too expensive, both ink and hardware, and unless you go for a laser printer, ink and printer both will not last long enough to make use of it And laser printers are not indestructible.

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  84. Is your print job really necessary? by Gonoff · · Score: 1

    Very few print jobs are totally recquired nowadays. This is true for work and home.

    I don't need a printed memo. If it is important, the first thing I will do is scsan it for future reference, I don't need a printed letter from my bank so they send me emails or SMS, If I am going to send someone a letter, I will write it if it is personal or email it if at all possible for anything official.

    Any company that does not deal with email, does not want my business. Any employer that insists on paper instead of electronic and is not CIA or MI5 type is a good one to move on from as they are embracing obsolescence.

    I have the occasional difficulty persuading my Mother in Law that she does not need to print every email but that is probably an age thing.

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  85. Seriously, it's not hard by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    Learn how to prioritize "systems of components", and this is an easy decision.

    If you don't want a printer that prints a lot, don't get one designed to print a lot.

    If you want a printer that will last for decades, buy a printer that will last for decades (and remember to amortize the price).

    I print about a page a week, on average. Maybe two. So eight years ago, I bought a high-end consumer multi-function. I chose the laser, obviously, and the small toner version, obviously. I went multi-function for the occasional scanner. Network for the not caring about software part. Small paper tray, obviously.

    It's been sitting there for eight years now. Once a year I print something stupid -- like wine bottle labels, or car club flyers, or address labels. Otherwise, for work, it's about under ten pages per month.

    I configured it to clean itself vigorously. So it's quite slow. When the toner is below 50% on one of the colours, it'll clean itself between each and every page. It's insanely slow. But the toner lasts twice as long. And what do I care if two pages takes two minutes.

    It also looks nice, because it's small and consumery. Which is nice in an expensive home office.

    The point is, this isn't hard. Spend $100, and you'll throw it out. Buy an inkjet, and you'll throw it out. Buy a black and white printer-only, and you'll eventually need something more. Spend $300 on a scanner and colour and laser and a decent brand, and the most annoying part will be finding a/the box when you want to take it with you three houses later.

  86. Another vote for laser by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    Ditto with laser. Particularly, multi-function colour lasers have dropped ridiculously in price. While not cheap-cheap per se, you can get a very good quality device that will cover all of your occasional needs (occasional color prints, sometimes a photocopy, etc). Even the crappiest ones are still good enough for basic use, and can be had for well less than 500 dollars. And it will probably be the past printer you ever buy.

    I'm still using a black and white brother MFC that I purchased a decade ago. I had to replace the toner way back when cause I had to print a whole bunch of stuff once, but it's still good enough to this day.

    Ilsa

  87. Laser Printing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last tuesday my HP Laserjet 1100, which I purchased in the PENTIUM-III era, finally gave up.

    Actually, it didn't. But the toner-cartridge I was using broke apart. If I buy a new one, it will probably work fine again, but the printer already have the front door broken, I have to carefully close it after clearing paper jams and I also have to feed one sheet at time otherwise it jams surely.

    But, you see, fifteen years after, it still works, even in Windows 10.

    Oh, and yesterday I updated to the Falls Creators Update and instantly lost support to my old Microsof Lifecam VX-1000. Fortunately I found out quickly how to rollback and did it, so my cam is back working again.

    I hate when software vendors do this. Then people come with the "do not waste stuff, because we have to protect our planet". Perfecty fine things stop working because the industry wants to sell you new hardware and have the power to do so through software updates.

    Yikes.

  88. upside down marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A set of ink carts costs more than a new printer. The industry seems bent on disposable hardware - the public mood is trending more towards obsolescence.