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What Image Should Represent All of Humanity On Wikipedia? (wired.com)

An anonymous reader writes: If aliens ever do come across the Pioneer spacecraft and make assumptions about the entire human species based on the man and woman etched onto the plaque it carries, this is what they will think of us: We all look like white people; we all look about 30ish years old; we do not wear clothes. It's a problem you encounter anytime you have to choose a few individuals to represent an entire group, and it's one that the editors of Wikipedia have debated for years: What image should grace the top of the "human" entry in the online dictionary?

The photo that's there now, after years of feverish debate, is of an Akha couple from a region of Thailand along the Mekong river. "The photo of the Akha couple remain humanity's type specimens on Wikipedia," writes author Ellen Airhart. "Just as a shriveled northeastern leopard frog at the University of Michigan Museum of Zoology represents its whole species, so this couple stands for all of us."

Such musing about the taxonomic representation of the human species could actually have a big impact on our digital future. "Future scientists will have to teach computers, not aliens, to recognize the human image. Right now, software engineers program artificial intelligence to recognize people by feeding them millions of pictures of faces," she writes. "But whose faces? Computer scientists run into the same questions about gender, race, and culture that the Wikipedia editors encountered. Being able to use more than one photo expands the conversation but does not necessarily make it easier."

349 comments

  1. Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a 'Boot on a face'. It sums up most of history marvelously.

    1. Re:Boot on a face by BlueStrat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or a picture of a steaming pile of fresh human feces.

      It's the one thing we all have in common and, adjusting for local diet, it all looks pretty much the same no matter the race, ethnicity, religion, ideology, or wealth.

      Shit is the one thing and the one symbol that binds the human race together and describes with one image the results of our existence thus far and likely the legacy we leave behind, and the universe could not have chosen more appropriately. It's so uncanny, in fact, that it might even be an argument for intelligent design! :D

      Strat

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    2. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's hardly something particular about our species. Every species ever discovered produce waste. Shit is universal to the entirety of life on this planet and probably all other planets.

    3. Re:Boot on a face by johnsnails · · Score: 1, Funny

      I would have thought frosty piss would be a better fit.

    4. Re:Boot on a face by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      But what kind of shit? A puddle of runny stuff after a few too many, a truly impressive log, a perfect formed curler? There are as many shits as people dontcha know.

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    5. Re:Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a 'Boot on a face'. It sums up most of history marvelously.

      I was thinking an AR-15, but the sentiment is there.

    6. Re:Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about depicting our inventive nature although this would not be entirely honest because large parts of the world people would still be in the stone age if it were not for parts of Europe and Asia exploring the globe.
      Boot on a face may be partly accurate but even more so is stone age religions brutal control over people which still goes on.
      I don't understand the negativity while you live a life better than kings could ever have imagined or is self hate fashion now?

    7. Re:Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A giant cock

    8. Re:Boot on a face by gnick · · Score: 1

      ...a picture of a steaming pile of fresh human feces... It's the one thing we all have in common...

      There's a song by an artist named 'Mr. Hankey' that you might be interested in.

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    9. Re:Boot on a face by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And only MINE doesn't stink!

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    10. Re:Boot on a face by originalGMC · · Score: 1

      a 'Boot on a face'. It sums up most of history marvelously.

      This was exactly the first thought that popped in there. (img below)

      http://allnewspipeline.com/ima...

    11. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came here to say this. Right on brother (or sister)!

    12. Re:Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah in your country Ivan.

    13. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Galileo's drawing of human anatomy. Why isn't this obvious?

    14. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats about right... but in the name of galactic advertising... probably just a pic of the earths topography will do... with an overlay of a boot on a face.

    15. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Da Vinci's drawing?

    16. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flaccid penis wearing Google glass

    17. Re: Boot on a face by Millennium · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking of bunch of boots on a face, where the boots belong to people of all ages, races, sexes, and creeds, and the face belongs to a Nazi.

    18. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the new definition is anyone that disagrees with you right?

      After all, you can't be a true SJW without a crusade to fight.

    19. Re: Boot on a face by Millennium · · Score: 1

      And the new definition is anyone that disagrees with you right?

      Not at all. Pretty much the only thing you have to do to not be a Nazi is oppose the genocide or subjugation of other peoples, and likewise oppose separatism along the same lines (which in practice inevitably amounts to the same thing). As long as you fit that criteria, you're basically in the clear as far as being a Nazi goes.

      After all, you can't be a true SJW without a crusade to fight.

      I see very little justice at all in the SJWs' definition of "social justice". They're still better people to be around than creeps like you, though.

    20. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't recall Galileo doing a lot of anatomical drawings.

      Perhaps you mean Leonardo? He was a privileged white man, so no matter how great his accomplishments, we can't use it.

    21. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a disgrace. You actually support the subjugation and genocide just so long as it's against white people.

    22. Re: Boot on a face by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Even if I wanted to support such a thing, I would need to see some evidence that anyone is interested in it. Near as I can tell, no one is. Certainly there are no movements of any significance; out of the seven billion people on this planet I suspect there are probably a few isolated individuals, but nothing is gaining any traction. All you've got is a ridiculous conspiracy theory that, although it's older than Nazism as we know it, inspired them so heavily that it's basically theirs now.

    23. Re:Boot on a face by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Wow, that was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the article title, and look: the first post matches!

    24. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if I wanted to support such a thing, I would need to see some evidence that anyone is interested in it. Near as I can tell, no one is.

      You must not live in California...

    25. Re: Boot on a face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goat.cx

    26. Re: Boot on a face by MrDiablerie · · Score: 1

      The poop emoji should work just fine.

    27. Re: Boot on a face by Millennium · · Score: 1

      In point of fact, I don't. Doesn't matter. No one there supports it either.

    28. Re:Boot on a face by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      Yea, a steaming pile of trash served on a platter of human guts sprinkled with shrapnell in a pool of blood with microfont in the background all species dead because of it, that would be quite representative

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  2. Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How will we ever know what humans look like without Wikipedia?...

    1. Re:Interesting... by Q-Hack! · · Score: 1

      I'm still trying to figure out how you determine we are all white from a simple outline sketch? Looking at the plaque on the Pioneer... For all the aliens know we could be purple.

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    2. Re:Interesting... by Dast · · Score: 2

      You can tell by the hair. That's 100% white people hair on that plaque.

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    3. Re:Interesting... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Actually, they'd be more likely to think our skin is goldish-silver, since the plaque is made of gold anodized aluminium

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    4. Re:Interesting... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Rather racist, I'd think. I'm white and I don't have hair like that.

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    5. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or from India.

    6. Re: Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a 100% white hair; it's just not black hair, that's all. If black people want a plaque with their hair on it they can make their own plaque, put it on their own probe, and send it out there themselves. Then they need to tell beyonce to stop straightening her hair so when the aliens arrive they will recognize her. I won't hold my breath.

    7. Re:Interesting... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      That's Asian hair. You were just thrown off by the boobs.

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    8. Re: Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s funny. No way we could ever make a probe that goes to space. I work hard, but have never met someone else of my kind that does. Plus the low IQ means we have very few individuals that could contribute to a space program.

  3. A photo by DivineKnight · · Score: 2

    A photo of one of the survivors of Auschwitz (day of liberation).

    1. Re:A photo by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

      If we are going to be putting these images on deep space probes, that might be found by aliens, we need to ensure that the images do not portray us as being "tasty".

      Otherwise, the aliens might visit us with Soylent Green intentions.

      We need to dress up the images of humans with huge pointy teeth, porcupine spikes, eagle claws and a nasty Stegosaurus tail.

      Or, just plain giant armadillo pictures might work:

      https://www.google.com/search?...

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    2. Re:A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which Poland ?

      Poland born in 1945, purged of all leaders of Poland up to now that were incompatible with USSR policies ? Ah yes, that was outstanding moment of humanity, when USA, UK and USSR decided to deprive Poland of autonomy... To the point that USSR tried to put Katyn massacre on Germany.
      Nice period. USA and UK agreing to terms similar to the one Nazi Germany agreed to with the same USSR. All the while collaborationist countries like France enjoyed free autonomy.

      All that, without care for Polish interest. You know, Poland that had a resistance that dwarfed any other resistance in Europe (including France). Poland that even had Jew divisions in his resistant. Poland that warned about the nazi genocide quite early, while some other were still drinking champagne.

      BTW, could you document how Auschwitz was operated by Poland ? Which with SS units ? Which laws ?

    3. Re:A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no clue what are you talking about, camps where never operated by anyone by Nazis and were closed right after liberation

    4. Re:A photo by KiloByte · · Score: 0

      BTW, could you document how Auschwitz was operated by Poland ? Which with SS units ? Which laws ?

      I'm not aware of any detachment of the Red Army nor of Polish government named "SS". The camps were operated first by NKVD, then by MBP (Ministry of Public Security). And polish Auschwitz was closed after only around two years to be converted into a museum -- while other camps, such as KL Warchau (right inside the capital) operated until 1956.

      Which Poland ?

      Poland born in 1945, purged of all leaders of Poland up to now that were incompatible with USSR policies ? Ah yes, that was outstanding moment of humanity, when USA, UK and USSR decided to deprive Poland of autonomy...

      The above was the new, soviet-imposed regime, yes. Which has not been denounced as illegal by any of subsequent governments.

      But, if you believe those were no "real Poles", what about the concentration camp in Bereza Kartuska?

      Or, during the war itself, camps lent to us by the UK, on Isle of Bute and nearby. Those were nothing like Nazi or Soviet camps, merely of Abu Ghraib level of viciousness (some of more equal prisoners were even allowed to move around and received half pay, with only the rest being held behind barbed wire and subjected to abuse, no intentional killing) -- but in a discussion about naming, if our Dear Leader in Exile referred to them as "concentration camps", who I am to argue?

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    5. Re:A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent post, currently moderated as Offtopic, has your answer.

      Most of the time humans are Offtopic. It is our defining tendency.

    6. Re:A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just just offtopic, but also historically false and stupid.

    7. Re:A photo by houghi · · Score: 2

      Why and which survivor?

      I would go for Michael Angelo's drawing of proportions. Make it asexual or both sexes (did not want to go with bi-sexual) if you want to be PC.

      The holocaust is just a part of our history and leaves out many other things. Pretty irrelevant for most things about humanity.

      Or just a photo of Kevin Bacon and an explanation how the 6 degrees works. That will surely confuse the hell out of the Borg.

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    8. Re:A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just fuck off! It is not to disrespect people of that period - so don't even try - but just NO!
      Humanity is certainly not what resulted into Israel. Put a bit the spotlight on to the rest of the humanity* :)

      Yes, you hooked me. But i don't care.

      So, Humanity? What about a child? A family? Yes, if you don't hijack the sementic and stick to facts, humanity.
      Do you remember 2001 The odyssey?

    9. Re:A photo by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Most of the time humans are Offtopic. It is our defining tendency.

      So, you're saying the picture should be of a cat?

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    10. Re:A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with that, we are so fat.

    11. Re:A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically my ex-wife then.

    12. Re:A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which Poland ?

      Poland born in 1945, purged of all leaders of Poland up to now that were incompatible with USSR policies ? Ah yes, that was outstanding moment of humanity, when USA, UK and USSR decided to deprive Poland of autonomy... To the point that USSR tried to put Katyn massacre on Germany.
      Nice period. USA and UK agreing to terms similar to the one Nazi Germany agreed to with the same USSR. All the while collaborationist countries like France enjoyed free autonomy.

      All that, without care for Polish interest. You know, Poland that had a resistance that dwarfed any other resistance in Europe (including France). Poland that even had Jew divisions in his resistant. Poland that warned about the nazi genocide quite early, while some other were still drinking champagne.

      BTW, could you document how Auschwitz was operated by Poland ? Which with SS units ? Which laws ?

      Written like a true NAZI.

    13. Re:A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Cause that would make no sense at all human history is Jewish?
      Oh wait it is Jew bankers have been the destroyers of empires thru time.

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    14. Re:A photo by kiviQr · · Score: 1
      Please check you sources and facts and do not equal a prisoner-of-war camp to death camp.

      KL Warchau (right inside the capital) operated until 1956

      1948-49 operated as a camp for German soldiers not a death camp - substantial difference. Majority of them were released in fall 1949. After 1949 it was converted to prison.

      Bereza Kartuska

      I agree that these should not have happened. But you are making equal a political camp where there were up to 20 deaths with Auschwitz where over 1 milion of people died! There were worse camps than you have mentioned. Again there is no justification for any sort of camp - but comparing work or prisoner-of-war camp to a death camp is low blow. Unfortunatelly camps were a more common occurence for most countries (everyone - pick your country from the list and read to learn more about your history): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      soviet-imposed regime

      - between 1981-83 there was a Martial law in Poland b/c people rebelled against Soviet Union. Many people died fighting communism and Soviet Union. If not for people of Poland you would live in a world with a Berlin wall and USSR. Delegalization is a long process it is to be done peacefuly - there were a number of military and privilidge degratation for people serving under the regime. More to come but it is slow (too slow).

      Nazi or Soviet camps

      - my favourite part is that people use Nazi and Soviet terms as if Nazi and Soviets were some mythical nations/prople that no longer exists. These countries still exist and what happened is part their and unfortunatelly our history.

    15. Re:A photo by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      How about "keyboard cat"?

    16. Re:A photo by Megol · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you are going with this. Did Soviet controlled Poland reuse the facilities used by the National socialists? Yes. Does it matter? No.

      The very idea of a concentration camp is old(-ish) and we still have them. USA have them, several in fact. They aren't called concentration camps anymore but they are. A large camp divided into several sub-camps in order to maintain control.

      If you want to complain about the conditions in Soviet/Polish camps do so but don't bullshit around by trying to connect them with another regime.

      You somehow want to imply that reusing the Nazi facilities and/or location for another but related use is somehow wrong. Yes of course Poland should have interned the German POWs in another new camp while letting the Nazi camps wither. /s

    17. Re:A photo by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      We need to dress up the images of humans with huge pointy teeth, porcupine spikes, eagle claws and a nasty Stegosaurus tail.

      Given what our general view is on how aliens look in the media, I'm not sure if you're going with "Not tasty" as much as "major turn-on". Do you want to be probed? Because this is how you get probed!

    18. Re: A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there were also Poles who collaborated with the Nazis and later the Stalinists and many who were actively and loudly anti-semitic. This wasn't unique to Poland - every country has people who will for various reasons collaborate with oppressors as well as those who will happily torture and murder their fellow citizens - but Poland should not try to hide or deny this part of their history.

      I write as someone whose father spent several years with the partisans fighting the Nazis in the forests of Eastern Poland (now Belarus).

    19. Re: A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not going to say yes just yet but tell me more about this probing.

    20. Re:A photo by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      If those were just POWs, there would be less reason to complain. But instead, they gathered partisans who fought against Germans but were not affiliated with Soviets, jews, gays, Silesians, people with a shred of German ancestry, those sent for forced labour into Germany, and so on.

      Random machinegunning of prisoners, standing cells, and games like "we lock you in a shed, set the shed on fire, and you get shot if you try to break out of the shed" also means these were concentration camps rather than mere prisons.

      But that's not why I'm arguing why this new law is bad. It forbids mention that Polish concentration camps ever existed -- and, as listed above, they did exist. And that Auschwitz and tens of other ex-Nazi camps were run by Poles, which is what our current government denies. The very same camp, just after so-called "liberation".

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    21. Re: A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my favourite part is that people use Nazi and Soviet terms as if Nazi and Soviets were some mythical nations/prople that no longer exists. These countries still exist and what happened is part their and unfortunatelly our history.

      You seem to be confusing political factions with countries. The two are not the same.

      See also the Confederate States, the Ottoman Sultanate, and Imperial Japan.

    22. Re: A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we need to ensure that the images do not portray us as being "tasty".

      Otherwise, the aliens might visit us with Soylent Green intentions.

      Oh? You'd rather they come to steal our air, water, or women?

      Let them have their long pork.

    23. Re: A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Summed up like a true pedophile.

  4. goatse by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    .cx

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    1. Re:goatse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such an obvious choice (to a mid-6-digit, or less), that you had to be upvoted.
      Hence the anon comment.

      It was during the goatse heyday that I learned never to click on links in the comments. What has been seen cannot be un-seen.

    2. Re:goatse by gatzke · · Score: 0

      I was going to post a suggestion for goatse.

      It is the obvious choice for humanity. It could keep some aliens away, but maybe also attract others...

      Goatse, tubgirl, lemon party. We need to perfect selective mind erasing technology.

    3. Re:goatse by llamalad · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our life-altering image overlords.

    4. Re: goatse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too late. Someone already showed them. Why do you think most abductees have been probed?

    5. Re:goatse by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Would be a pretty good representation of humanity. First, we all look the same there, no gender or racial bias visible (if needed apply a color filter to ensure you can't even tell if the person is black, white or polka dotted) and second, most humans are actually huge assholes.

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    6. Re: goatse by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I had in mind something a bit more serious...

    7. Re: goatse by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      ...or him.

    8. Re: goatse by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Hmm, let's try this...

    9. Re:goatse by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      ... isn't what it used to be.

      Goatse is a blockchain-based incentivized meme creation platform that supports the generation, discovery and propagation of dank memes. All enabled by the cryptocurrency Goatse Coin.

      But the email service is still working, so "meh".

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  5. Musings from selfish people by johnlcallaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not about you. It's not about inclusion. It's just a stupid picture and not important.

    Stop categorizing each other and creating divisive conversations all because you expect life to be fair. Stop getting upset because your color/ethnic background isn't getting the spotlight. Your pride is causing all of us to fall.

    Move on with your lives and concentrate on doing something important.

    Not like me wasting my time commenting on this post.

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    1. Re:Musings from selfish people by murdocj · · Score: 0

      If only I could do something important and mod you up a couple of times.

    2. Re:Musings from selfish people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a cultural point of view, I'm guessing that you're from a well represented ethnic background.

      From a scientific point of view, you should really go watch that scene in From the Earth to the Moon, when they're trying to pick a handful of rocks to represent an entire canyon. Sure, it's a bit Hollywood, but it is possible to choose a small number of examples to represent a huge area, and one must choose carefully.

    3. Re:Musings from selfish people by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      If we're going to approach it from a cultural or ethnic point of view, I can guarantee you that we'll never arrive at a satisfactory solution. We could make like Noah and pick 2 of each, we'd either end up with a photo of a huge group of people, or some small rare ethnic groups will complain that they weren't included. Not to mention the handicapped, midgets, or same-sex couples. And who gets to stand in the center? Perhaps we could use a picture of the 4 major races, something like this little beaut'

      I think something like the Voyager plaque is pretty good for the purpose, even though the people are a bit on the white side, and it's of course the Patriarchy that gets to say 'hi'. All stuff we can fix... as long as we don't end up sending the Greendale Human Being to represent us.

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    4. Re:Musings from selfish people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Identity politics is a tool (one of many) to keep the proles divided and distracted and bickering amongst themselves. When the entire world is partitioned into a giant Venn diagram of competing "identities" - each obsessed over which group among them is the most oppressed - there's zero chance of mustering up the will or numbers to tackle any problems that actually matter, and the 'elites' are free to plunder the world at their pleasure.

      Just imagine a left wing group trying to get something like OWS going in 2018. Even their one day Vagina Cosplay March nearly collapsed under the weight of unchecked white privilege and cultural appropriation.

    5. Re:Musings from selfish people by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They do seem to be over-thinking it a bit. Take this bit of the ideal image criteria:

      "All of the humans would be clothed, because that's how human beings are most commonly encountered: unclothed depictions should be used at the top of the "biology" section, in order to clearly depict their anatomy, but it is potentially misleading to use such an image as the lead image in the article"

      Yeah... People will be mislead by a naked photo and think that's how human beings are, despite a literal lifetime of counter-examples.

      Having said that, some of the submissions are clearly unsuitable. The woman in a burka is atypical and her clothing hides many important features of humans such as legs and arms. Many of the others only have one person when really there should be at least two to represent both genders.

      Kind of amazing how hard to is to find a photo of a clothed man and a woman in neutral poses that is reasonably interesting and attractive, which fits in the side bar area and is freely licenced. The Akha is actually by far the best that anyone has proposed, much better than the current Pioneer drawing.

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    6. Re:Musings from selfish people by butzwonker · · Score: 2

      So you don't think it should a picture of President Donald Trump since he is the leader of the world's most powerful country and therefore represents humanity best?

    7. Re:Musings from selfish people by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

      He would be better than the shriveled northeastern leopard frog at the University of Michigan Museum of Zoology.

    8. Re:Musings from selfish people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's it, exactly. Sheesh, the things people worry about.

    9. Re: Musings from selfish people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like the overwhelming numbers of participants directly contradicts your point. The fact that dummies are gonna dummy is not relevant.

    10. Re:Musings from selfish people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you don't think it should be a picture of President Donald Trump since he is head imbecile of what was the world's most powerful country and therefore represents humanity worst?

      FTFY

    11. Re:Musings from selfish people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's the rule, it should be Xi Jinpeng. He's way more powerful than Trump already, and will remain so for much longer.

    12. Re:Musings from selfish people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about stop crying and let grown people work on whatever ideas they feel are important. It is annoying that every time people, that don't live in a US kissing cousins mudhole, try to have a real conversation, some Alt-right white nationalist crybaby decides to start whining about diversity.

      The real world outside of the trailer park is diverse Trumpkin - get over it. People of different races, ethnicities, cultures, creeds, religions, sexes are what make the world great. I know Breitbart and Fox news don't teach you that but look at our history and you will see the truth

    13. Re: Musings from selfish people by poity · · Score: 1

      How would one depict a human form that's simultaneously fat and skinny, simultaneously disabled and not disabled, simultaneously tall and short, simultaneously bald and not bald, simultaneously big breast and small breast, etc.? I guess we can make one of those kids toy hologram stickers. Imagine an alien scientist in a top secret alien military lab flipping and turning a hologram sticker scratching his head going "wtf are these humans trying to say?" while his alien leaders are breathing down his neck for a quick explanation. Holy shit fucking Wikipedia busybodies with nothing better to do are going to get that alien dude fired. Fuck.

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    14. Re: Musings from selfish people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, how many wars and death camps has he started? Oh wait none.

      You should really pickup a history book, unless that is, you enjoy being an ignorant slut.

    15. Re:Musings from selfish people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, why thank you Marie. We should just eat cake. Why didn't we think of that.

      I guess that's why we are the peasants and you are ... you are ...

      You are what exactly? And, why is it that your opinion matters SOOOOOO much more than everyone else's?

    16. Re:Musings from selfish people by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Toga! Toga! Toga!

  6. Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make it a painting of Adam and Eve, the archetypes of humanity (according to the old testament anyway).

    1. Re:Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might upset other people, because Adam and Eve were white.... obviously.

  7. At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    ...but then I realized that this staggeringly important issue would keep dozens of SJWs distracted and bickering amongst themselves for months, and the rest of the world will be better off as a result.

    1. Re:At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just make sure they have ALS and are in a wheelchair.

    2. Re: At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then we could make it a picture of a black couple and keep the conservatives busy for a few years.

    3. Re: At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 0

      Possible, but the SJW's will have to dream up a way to fit all of their gender pronouns onto the disc first, and even how many there are in the first place.

    4. Re: At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Q-Hack! · · Score: 0

      My vote is for Attack Helicopter.

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    5. Re: At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can't use the 'Attack Helicopter' thing anymore, since Google's cutting-edge SJWs have recently surpassed it in real-life lunacy.

    6. Re: At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      Maybe the guy in 5th element wasn't being sarcastic when he said he was a 'meat popsicle'

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    7. Re:At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by pseudofrog · · Score: 0

      Why can't the SJWs use their time in a more useful manner?

      Like whining incessantly about SJWs in every /. comment section?

    8. Re:At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And that alone makes it a topic that should be thoroughly discussed.

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    9. Re: At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I identify as a land mine.

      Want to trigger me? Feeling lucky, punk?

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    10. Re:At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Because then they'd actually have to DO something. And that's hard. Complaining and bullying others into changing themselves into what they want them to be is way easier.

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    11. Re:At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by pseudofrog · · Score: 1

      Constantly derailing comment sections into a whinefest about SJWs isn't what most would consider a productive use of time. YMMV.

    12. Re: At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      What about the underwater mines, you insensitive clod?!

    13. Re: At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Don't tell me what I can or cannot be! You trying to humansplain here?

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    14. Re: At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when have SJW been about anything productive?

    15. Re:At first I thought "Holy fuck, who cares?"... by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Why would you want them to?
      Do you WANT them concentrating on other things?

  8. Neckbeard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A fat, unemployed white male nobody sitting at a keyboard editing a wikipedia page.

    1. Re: Neckbeard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Donald in all his pussy grabbing glory.

    2. Re: Neckbeard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the Ladies get a pass for "got him by the balls" right? Because Vagina...

  9. I think the plaque works by Kokuyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're bipedal, have two arms with five fingers each, a mouth, a nose, two eyes and two ears and our species has two sexes.

    The proportions are also about accurate for most of us.

    I think that's enough for first contact information. I mean where does it end? Do we need to tell them our social structures and capacity for empathy and destruction as well?
    I'd think those are info bits for a second or third contact...

    We can make the next plaque with black or Asian people, I don't care.

    1. Re: I think the plaque works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      two sexes

      Speak for yourself you binary-lovin cissy!11
      triggered

      Seriously though, there are growing numbers of people on here that get personally offended by this.
      Literally arguing against human genetics by trying to use genetic disasters as evidence.
      Other species might have naturally differect sexes, humans don't. They aren't functional components in producing offspring, their literal purpose for existing.
      Doesn't mean they are useless, just not a distinct, useful sex.
      Of the many transgender people I've talked to over the years, every one of them hate this dumb PC '57 million genders' nonsense.

    2. Re: I think the plaque works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think NDT summed up the complexity of human genders in this amazing quote: https://i.redd.it/9rlbefx44sty.jpg

    3. Re:I think the plaque works by mycroft16 · · Score: 1

      There are two topics in the post. There's the example of the Pioneer plaque and the example of the Wikipedia edtors. And I agree in both instances... this is something that can't be overthought. In the case of Wikipedia, it's primary function is to provide information for humans... who know all about humans, so the picutre is really a formality. We all know about racial, cultural, socioeconomic differences, etc. So it really doesn't matter one little bit what photo is up there because it is just a placeholder for something we all know and understand. As for the Pioneer plaque, on first contact all you want is the aliens to know it was the things that walk on two legs and look roughly like these pair that sent this. We just don't want them going to the giraffes or penguins, right? So again, complex human concepts are unimportant. In one case because we all understand them and it is meant for us, in the other because it isn't meant for us and they won't undertsand them anyway.

    4. Re:I think the plaque works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funnily enough, the plaque represents an African man and an Asian woman. It's just that if you remove the skin color we mostly look alike and so people assume the figures on the plaque are white.

  10. A cross by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people in the world are Christian.

    1. Re: A cross by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The aliens may be offended or excited to see a human nailed to a cross

    2. Re:A cross by CSMoran · · Score: 0

      I get the sarcasm, but nope. There's fewer than 2.5B of these, in a total of 7.6B. Most people in the world are non-christian.

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  11. A photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A photo - image of Homer Simpson

  12. Probably davinci by Z80a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Vitruvian Man to be more specific.

    1. Re:Probably davinci by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, I think the ass is the best representation of the humanity. Everybody has one regardless of gender or race. It can be beautiful or a source of endless shit. It summarizes humanity quite succinctly.

    2. Re:Probably davinci by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you can prove that Vitruvian Man is gay or transsexual there's no chance in a billion it will get used. You can't represent humanity with an image that can't be shown to include whatever 1% of the population shouts the loudest.

  13. Pass the Plexaderm Please by rfengineer · · Score: 2

    The man on the pioneer plaque was supposed to look African and the woman was supposed to look Asian. However, after years of exposure to cosmic rays and micrometeorites, I'm sure the aliens will believe we have acne and pits all over our bodies.

    1. Re:Pass the Plexaderm Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're saying it has only gotten more accurate.

  14. Meanwhile, a message arrives from the stars. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . .that reads:

    "Stop sending us naked pictures of yourselves and directions to your home planet. It's ***CREEPY***. . . . ."

    (evil grin)

  15. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone involved seems to be tackling this question as if we're assuming we must make the right selection in case aliens read it and judge us or something like that. The fact is that the only living creatures that will bother to read it are humans, and the only function of the page is to describe what humans are, which every human reading it will already inherently understand, therefore the picture serves no purpose other than maintaining wikipedia consistency. Given it's useless nature, it deserves nothing more than a completely random arbitrary selection.

  16. African roots by Zobeid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, I think the Thailanders photo works OK. (Forget about ethnicity for a moment: Their clothing and context imply a pre-industrial way of life that was dominant throughout human history but now is diminishing rapidly!) However I would have more likely have suggested a recognizably African couple. My reasoning: Humans originated from Africa, and it still holds the greatest genetic and cultural diversity of any region. People elsewhere in the world are offshoots from that root.

    1. Re:African roots by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Shouldn't the picture show where we've got to rather than the primitive roots we came from?

      Africa may hold the greatest genetic and cultural diversity but the entire continent (aprt from maybe SA) achieves virtually nothing in the scheme of things today.

    2. Re:African roots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Civilisations and regions rise and fall. 2000 years ago there was nothing much to speak of North of the Alps or West of Gibraltar, 1000 years before that and the centres were all East of what is now Cairo, in Africa or Asia 1000 years before that, South of Cairo, either in Africa, or India.

    3. Re:African roots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't the picture show where we've got to rather than the primitive roots we came from?

      That would imply that we have a "where we've got to", considering the countless cultures and their priorities that only invites endless bikeshedding and activism. Take a rendering of our scientifically proven roots and anyone complaining can either contribute to the understanding of our past or can be quickly identified as a timewasting troll.

    4. Re:African roots by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      Whoa, depends on how you define achievement! I think there's been quite a lot of progress in the past couple of decades. For my part, I measure achievement based on how far you've come from where you were 5 and 10 years ago.

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    5. Re:African roots by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't the picture show where we've got to rather than the primitive roots we came from?

      Which would be where exactly? Currently, it would be an IMDB-link to "Idiocracy".

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    6. Re:African roots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Shouldn't the picture show where we've got to rather than the primitive roots we came from?"

      I agree. Bio-hazard sign should sum it up nicely.

    7. Re:African roots by butchersong · · Score: 1

      It's a difficult question to answer if you want to take it seriously... which I'm not sure I do but sub-saharan african is really a unique sub-species compared to say east asian. Probably some mongolian type would be fair. They would at least represent a group with some denisovan and neanderthal dna admixture that the majority of the world shares.

    8. Re:African roots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't the picture show where we've got to...

      Where's that, exactly? We're still the same scared, violent, superstitious, tribalistic chimps we were tens of thousands of years ago. Except maybe now we have nicer toys.

    9. Re:African roots by hey! · · Score: 2

      Well, cultures rise and fall. A modern person transported in time a thousand years back would find Europe to be quite horrible, and certain places in Africa far more civilized, like Ghana for example. Even five hundred years ago you'd probably prefer living somewhere like Benin to anywhere in Europe, which was at the start of a two hundred year period of religious warfare.

      If you look at history quite a few civlizations achieve a kind of cultural and political domination Europe achieved after, say 1700. And very few continue to enjoy that for more than three or four hundred years.

      Going by sustained cultural achievement, you'd have to choose either Han Chinese or South Asian civilization as representative of humanity. Population-wise, they're also the more numerous than Europeans. India in particular has had continuous civilization dating back to before the First Dynasty of Egypt.

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    10. Re:African roots by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      By that metric, Germany accomplished a lot more between the years of 1945 and 1950 than the US...

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    11. Re:African roots by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why not show a picture of a monkey then?
      Really what we should be showing is the most likely form of first contact.

    12. Re:African roots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humans originated from Africa, and it still holds the greatest genetic and cultural diversity of any region.

      The first part is heavily debated right now. There is growing evidence that the out-of-Africa hypothesis might be wrong.

      The latter is a modern myth. Genetic science has shown central Asia is the most genetically diverse by a large margin. Native Americans have similar genetic diversity to existing Africans. The myth comes from the faulty reasoning that genetic diversification only happened in Africa and everyone else is a subset. That view is just not true. Central Asia being the most genetically diverse meshes with common sense too. What area of the world has contact with the most ethnicities?

      Cultural diversity is one of subjective measure, so there is no reason to believe one suggestion over another.

      If we were to choose the greatest cultural and genetic diversity, we should select from one of the *stan countries.

    13. Re:African roots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would imply that we have a "where we've got to"

      That is literally the point of progress theory, progressivism, and liberal politics.

      Either you believe in the progression, in progress, that there is a necessary path through history for civilizations and cultures or you are a conservative today supporting Trump and Brexit. That is the reality.

    14. Re: African roots by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      They're wearing clothing that is obviously made in a factory, so it might imply many of us are agrarian, which stopped being the majority about a decade ago if memory serves, but it does indicate we have mechanized industry as well. A guy driving a tractor might be more to the point but it's immaterial to the question at hand.

    15. Re:African roots by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Yes. And?

      Which country learned more between (say) 1940 and 1950?

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    16. Re:African roots by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The US. They learned that you can turn a nation that is hell bent against war with a single attack on their own soil to a nation that wants blood.

      Worked twice so far.

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    17. Re:African roots by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      And the consequences of these lessons have been learned?

      Obviously how to not be a target of such attacks is not something that has been learned.

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  17. Mostly Harmless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A picture with the words "Mostly Harmless" with a crude drawing of a Human and sector they reside in, that some interns in one of the Ursa Minor corporations did on a late night.

    1. Re:Mostly Harmless by olsmeister · · Score: 2

      I prefer the words "Mostly Tasteless".

    2. Re:Mostly Harmless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In "To Serve Man", heavy seasonings were recommended.

    3. Re:Mostly Harmless by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      "Human: we're the other, other white meat"

          -if you remember the pork industry's advertising slogan from the '80s.

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    4. Re:Mostly Harmless by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      My old company was in the running to do some ads for a chicken company back in the late '90s. I pushed hard that they should go with, "Chicken, the original white meat." Nobody else bought it, though.

  18. Boot on animal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "what they will think of us"
    Indeed, the species that killed of 90% of the other species.... And we're worried about our selfie

    1. Re: Boot on animal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Considering it's a nude pic sent out into deep space on the off chance someone else might see the probe carrying it, it's closer to "unsolicited dick pick" than "selfie".

  19. it cant be done with a single couple by FudRucker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if they use that asian couple, then what about the people's of other ethnic origin? why not a panoramic (extra wide photo) showing several couples of various ethnic origins to capture the diversity of humanity

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    1. Re:it cant be done with a single couple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if they use that asian couple, then what about the people's of other ethnic origin? why not a panoramic (extra wide photo) showing several couples of various ethnic origins to capture the diversity of humanity

      Right. Think of the end of the Babylon 5 episode "The Parliament of Dreams". Sinclair was supposed to show Earth's dominant religious beliefs. Earth has lots of religions. So Sinclair lined up about 100 people, each with their own religious belief - starting with an atheist, then Jew, Muslim, Catholic, etc.

    2. Re:it cant be done with a single couple by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      That's what they do with the dog entry, so sure, why not. Otherwise I think you're going to need to either do a computer generated average image or perhaps get some anthropologists and geneticists together to figure out what subgroup is closest to wild-type.

    3. Re:it cant be done with a single couple by denzacar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Otherwise I think you're going to need to either do a computer generated average image

      A computer generated image based on a global model which would include all most recent census data from all over the globe would work great for that.
      Particularly if the whole process was automated, updating itself on its own as new data arrives.

      And as for anyone feeling underrepresented by such an image, you can legitimately tell them to go and reproduce themselves.
      Reproduce themselves billions of times.

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    4. Re:it cant be done with a single couple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And as for anyone feeling underrepresented by such an image, you can legitimately tell them to go and reproduce themselves. Reproduce themselves billions of times.

      Many of today's problems are a direct result of this kind of advice.

    5. Re:it cant be done with a single couple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a bonus it would appear attractive to most people.

  20. Pepe the frog... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because

    1. Re:Pepe the frog... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

    2. Re:Pepe the frog... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer Mexican Pepe; he speaks for all of us.

  21. No picture, include dna data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Skip the picture and post dna. Let aliens replicate humans wherever that might be.

  22. The turd emoji by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  23. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just use a stick figure.

  24. An Emoji by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 0

    The poop one.

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    1. Re:An Emoji by thejeffwhite · · Score: 1

      But which one? Even poop is diverse: https://aboveaverage.com/final...

    2. Re:An Emoji by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      Lately; diarrhea.

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  25. Leeloo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AKA Leeloo Minai Lekarariba-Laminai-Tchai Ekbat De Sebat.

    1. Re:Leeloo by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

      Multipass.

  26. Why does one need to represent all? by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do we require one image to signify humanity on wikipedia? The pages for cats, dogs, birds, bats, spiders and fruit all feature composite images of the many species represented in one image. Why would the page for humans be any different? Indeed, the page goes on to show many examples of humans.

    Am I missing something here?

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    1. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Am I missing something here?

      An opportunity to shame those whom the article's author disagrees with.

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    2. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Am I missing something here?

      Yes, you are. There's only one species of human right now. Unlike the many species of bats, birds, spiders, etc...

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    3. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      The analogy holds for dogs (themselves just a subspecies!) and cats.

    4. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by shess · · Score: 1

      Why do we require one image to signify humanity on wikipedia? The pages for cats, dogs, birds, bats, spiders and fruit all feature composite images of the many species represented in one image. Why would the page for humans be any different? Indeed, the page goes on to show many examples of humans.

      Am I missing something here?

      Having a single example of every fricking thing, and then arguing over it endlessly, demonstrates our basic tendency towards absolutist/fundamentalist positions. We want to have the "right" example, with the rest explained away as exceptions, rather than a bunch of examples which together cover the space.

    5. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are. There's only one species of human right now.

      Your argument doesn't hold up, because the domestic dog is a single species; as is the domestic cat.

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    6. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the mindset of some SJWs, there are two species: whites and everyone else. The parent poster above is spot on. The human race is very diverse in appearance, so that should be depicted.

    7. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by hey! · · Score: 1

      This is a rather pointless mode of arguing. "Cat" and "dog" both have alternative standard definitions referring on one hand to the domesticated animal and on the other to any member of the wider genus. You can argue either side by selecting a definition. In logic this is called "equivocation".

      You've also selected "cat" and "dog" to represent the poster's entire argument because these particular words happen to have this property. That's called "cherry picking".

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    8. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, in my mind race is a "just so" story that doesn't hold up under genetic scrutiny.

      However people from different regions *do* have superficial resemblances, e.g. very, very pale skin among northern Europeans. That's actually a somewhat unusual trait.

      National Geographic a few years ago attempted to identify what the "most typical" human would look like, and the answer is a 28 year-old Han Chinese male. While culturally speaking light skin is prized, Han people's skin varies tremendously with sun exposure. My father was Han and had pale skin, but if he spent even a few days out in the sun he'd get very dark. I'm the same, even though my Mom is Northern European and her family very fair-skinned. At the start of the summer most people would identify me as white, by the end of the summer not many would.

      In a few decades time the most typical person on Earth would be an even darker-skinned South Asian.

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    9. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by slinches · · Score: 1

      Why would the page for humans be any different?

      None of those things gets pissed off when they feel like they are either miscategorized or excluded. Humans are unique in that way, at least.

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    10. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia should have an image carousel that can take an unlimited number of images and start randomly in the stack on page load. Then all the diversity of a subject can be displayed and nobody can moan that X is always first. There's many of us, put them all up there.

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    11. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      You've also selected "cat" and "dog" to represent the poster's entire argument because these particular words happen to have this property. That's called "cherry picking".

      No. You missed the point.

      BlacKSacrificE pointed out that the wikipedia articles for "cat", "dog", "birds", "bats", "spiders", "fruit" all have composite images. Note that he linked directly to those articles, so it is clear that he was talking about the articles for the domestic cat and domestic dog, not the general sense of "dog" and "cat" which can include other species.

      CrimsonAvenger then said that didn't apply to the question of what should be included on the "human" page, because bats, birds, and spiders are not a single species. Note that he conveniently left out cats and dogs, which invalidated his argument. That was cherry-picking.

      I simply pointed out the fact that he had done so.

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    12. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Hmm.. I seem to have misunderstood your point. The key is "invalidate"; I'd have used "does not support", which is a different thing.

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    13. Re:Why does one need to represent all? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      So just pick one person at random and use them.

      Problem solved, right?

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  27. Two arms, two legs, one head by iTrawl · · Score: 1

    Hoping the aliens interpret the weird etched lines correctly, they'll see two individuals with two arms, two legs, one head each and come by to get further details about such strange animals.

    If they misinterpret, they'll see the head of the one of the left is between its legs, and ask why the one on the right has such big eyes towards the upper end. They'll also wander why the one of the left has its ciliated antenna at a right angle - ask if it was caught while feeding, or if it's a reproductive organ in aroused position.

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  28. An anus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would be perfect seeing as we have so many of them..... :)

  29. And that says what? by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    Humanity is good and evil, only portraying one side of our nature is pure bias.

    1. Re:And that says what? by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      It says that even the least members of human race are still human.

    2. Re:And that says what? by rtb61 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      How about having some fun then, best image, a monkey shoving a banana up their butt, https://www.youtube.com/watch?.... Still mired in silly beliefs and even worse some really, really destructive beliefs. Mud monkey religiosity, forever shoving bananas up their butts because they are the perfect shaped fruit ;D.

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    3. Re:And that says what? by tomhath · · Score: 0

      Humanity is good and evil

      Good and evil are defined by the culture in which you live today. We can't portray them in any meaningful way.

    4. Re: And that says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How bout ting and yang

    5. Re: And that says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dehumanizing others, a great tactic from the Nazi party.

  30. Donald Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smart, handsome, and leader of the free world.

    Plus, if there is any intelligent life out in the universe, by definition they won't be libtards.

  31. Worth a thousand words... by magusxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Norman Rockwell's The Golden Rule

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals...

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    1. Re:Worth a thousand words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Complaints about stereotype.

    2. Re:Worth a thousand words... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you say that. Until the day you encounter a masochist.

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    3. Re:Worth a thousand words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That one clearly has emphasis on (the diversity of) religion, which, in my opinion makes it unsuitable.
      As an agnostic in a predominantly non-religious country I don't see how "humanity" would be a (divers) religion thing.

      I'm guessing you're an American.
      Religion is more of an issue oversees, from what I can tell.

    4. Re:Worth a thousand words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I can't go around sticking my dick up everyone's arses, they don't seem to like it!

      On the other hand, your bullshit image is still extremely Anglo-centric with the main focal point being the white man and woman with child in the center (ok, slightly to the right, rule of thirds) of the frame.

    5. Re:Worth a thousand words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aw, you're so cute in your rage. Rage on, Rage on! Why, I bet you could tell Normal Rockwell a thing or two! Maybe even break his glasses for his "bullshit image".
      Here's a hint: 99.5% of the worlds population would rather talk to Normal Rockwell, if he was still alive, than you.
      The other .5%, well, put them in your own photo. Call it " People on that planet in Hitchhiker's Guide where they sent the telephone sterilizers"

  32. Either one of these by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    1) A human running in a hamster wheel
    2) A human running on a treadmill with a fishing pole tied to their back chasing a carrot dangling out in front of them

    Oh wait that's just for the United States (disclaimer: I'm American). Ok, we need one for the United States and one for the rest of the world. For the rest of the world, it should be a dove circling the planet.

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    1. Re:Either one of these by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Do you really believe that? the rest of the world is a giant heap of peace, and the US is a treadmill?

  33. A photo of Bruce Jenner before and after by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or Caitlyn Jenner. Anyway, sure to confuse our alien overlords.

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    1. Re:A photo of Bruce Jenner before and after by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAr! It's funny because trans!

  34. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  35. Re:easy by Z80a · · Score: 1

    If it can hire a lawyer and win the case, it is a human.
    This will get more important when we start to do weird shit with genetics and AI.

  36. Why? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    Being able to use more than one photo expands the conversation but does not necessarily make it easier.

    I think using a bunch of photos would easily solve the problem of conveying what humanity looks like as a whole. The photos can show people of every visibly different racial background, at every age, in various states of health, and in various types of clothing or lack thereof. Any aliens whose social structures are at an appropriate level of advancement, and/or close enough to those of Man, will be able to extrapolate from that info and would recognize our species, should they ever see us in person. A similar set of photos should also be enough to train AI to recognize humans.

    Now, if the purpose of the 'conversation' is to determine how to explain humanity to aliens, (or to AI), then we'd best start by explaining us to ourselves. I'd say that, as a species, we are a long, long way from understanding ourselves and each other. I don't think more pictures will help us much in that endeavour, and they certainly won't convey our essence to either an alien race, nor to an AI.

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    1. Re:Why? by zifn4b · · Score: 0

      I think using a bunch of photos would easily solve the problem of conveying what humanity looks like as a whole.

      According to Young Earth Creationists, you only need an image of the cross.

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    2. Re:Why? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      I think using a bunch of photos would easily solve the problem of conveying what humanity looks like as a whole.

      According to Young Earth Creationists, you only need an image of the cross.

      Unless they are Jewish or Muslim, or...

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  37. Most by countach · · Score: 2

    Whichever race is the most prevalent. That would be Chinese I guess.

    1. Re:Most by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      Depends on what level you want to get down to as there's an awful lot of genetic variation within the main ethnic groups we general use - asian, caucasian, etc., and even within individual countries with a large geographic areas like, China, India, Russia, and so on. I don't think it's even remotely possible to have a single "archetype" human, or even two or three of them, and will remain that way unless we somehow become one massive cosmopolitan community and massively blend the various major visual traits together, and even if were to achieve some Star Trek Federation-style utopia tomorrow, that's still going to take many, many, generations to achieve. Until then (e.g. "never", given human nature), I think the best option would probably be a colour image showing a decent cross-section of humanity to indicate the degree of variation in ethnic and physical makeup would probably be the best way to go, possibly alongside some kind of generic androgenous human outline and a physical constant based ruler to help establish the scale.

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    2. Re:Most by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Whichever race is the most prevalent. That would be Chinese I guess.

      So... a container of Kung Pao Chicken then with chopsticks then?

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    3. Re:Most by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's even remotely possible to have a single "archetype" human,

      That's a perfectly valid point. But not everyone agrees with you.

      The IHGSC (International Human Genome Sequencing Consortium) took genome samples from a large number of people (40?), then randomly selected four but protected their identities so that the 4 (2M, 2F) who contributed to the publicly-funded genome project isn't known. The privately-funded programme used a panel of 21 people including it's leader Craig Venter, from which they selected 5 to use, whose identities again are protected. So there is a probability of between 1.6% and 11% that the origin of any bit of the "reference genome" is from Venter.

      He's the only identified individual from that pool, so on a strictly numerical basis, his picture is the obvious one to use.

      Using exactly the same data, the sheer hubris of the man is a good argument that his picture never be reproduced and his name becomes synonymous with "unperson", "Voldemort" and "he who should not be named".

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  38. World press photo winner by jools33 · · Score: 1

    Just take any winner of the world press photo - it will most likely portray conflict and suffering.

  39. Computer generated by sad_ · · Score: 2

    Feed a computer algorithm millions of pictures of people, as diverse as possible, and let it then generate what the average human looks like.

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    1. Re:Computer generated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But AI can't recognise black people! so it would be a white male...

    2. Re:Computer generated by WallyL · · Score: 1

      Feed a computer algorithm millions of pictures of people, as diverse as possible, and let it then generate what the average human looks like.

      Oh, crap! Sending Tay to the stars to represent us. That's a humorous short story right there.

    3. Re:Computer generated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  40. Re:I feel offended by this picture!! by nospam007 · · Score: 0

    "Why not directly take a freaking Chinese couple since they represent 1/5 humans on earth?"

    They did. They look golden, because it's a golden plaque.

    Or perhaps the aliens will think we're transparent.

  41. A Tide Pod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Tide Pod.

  42. Re:The "Pale blue dot" by Drethon · · Score: 2

    I agree but someone will probably complain about which continent is visible... maybe an image with both halves showing or something?

  43. Goatse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Goatse

  44. Dick Pic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that how superior male humans greet potential new mates these days?

  45. Its obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A scull and cross bones or some other symbol that means death or toxicity

  46. A snake eating its own tail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A snake eating its own tail

  47. Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As the most financially most successful human he should be represented as the best of our species.

  48. The guy from Idiocracy by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    But as an orange colored hipster version of Kim Jung with a shitty comb-over and a neck beard. Speech bubble: "Go 'way! 'Bate'n!" Pick any female guest that's ever been on The View and give her a thick nose ring and shave half of her head. Speech bubble: "All men are evil! Lana Del Rey is #1. Why am I still single?" Place a generic smart phone between them, each holding a side of it instead of directly holding hands because otherwise that would be sexual assault. The tabs on the cell phone's screen are open to reveal Facebook, Tindr, and Instagram are running; it's symbolic because they always are no matter what you do. Both dating profiles say "bisexual" not because they actually are, but in protest for gay/transgender rights as brainwashed and guilt-tripped by their ethics professor. Each are peeing in the same urinal and wearing #blacklivesmatter tee shirts while standing on the Rebel flag. And if you look really carefully, like you're finding Waldo, you can see Putin pointing and laughing his ass off when he's not too busy snap chatting or tweeting his "friends" during protests like every young person all over the world does now. Bumbling moron playing Pokemon Go gets hit by a car. Cop gets blamed for it and it just makes them all a little worse with more excuses for surveillance and "probable cause" while tricking normal citizens into thinking it's for their protection as opposed to passive and active biometrics collection vulnerable to God knows who while the top counties around the world fall apart. This is why aliens don't visit or at least don't let us know about it. "We're here because of Elvis, cheeseburgers, and fuel. After that, we're getting the hell out of here." It might not be the world as a whole in taking account of our history, but that's where we are right now and what evidence we will leave behind if we got wiped out tomorrow.

    1. Re:The guy from Idiocracy by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      This is why aliens don't visit or at least don't let us know about it. "We're here because of Elvis, cheeseburgers, and fuel.

      Let me guess: they drank the fuel, stuffed the cheeseburgers into their Mr. Fusion, and took Elvis back home with them?

    2. Re:The guy from Idiocracy by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      No, they used the Elvis to wipe the grease onto their Mr Fusion.

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  49. We Are All Fucked by sycodon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...if Aliens look to Wikipedia for anything.

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    1. Re:We Are All Fucked by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Not just aliens. If anyone on planet Earth needs to see a picture of a human to go with an online encyclopedia entry. Turn the computer off and look at your reflection in the screen, or take a selfie.

  50. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A rotten potato painted to look like the earth.

  51. I'd be astounded if it exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only reasonable (imho) approach would be a photo-mosaic with hundreds or thousands of pictures. First let's talk life-cycle: pictures of some specific individuals at birth, 2, 8, 16, 25, 50 and 80. Getting nude photos, without cosmetics, without markings or piercings or other ornamentation (or surgical interventions) would be challenging, to say the least. Just getting informed consent would be difficult - perhaps if photos weren't released until after their last (year 80) shot, then it would make things easier. Then there would be the reproductive cycle. I suppose some no doubt pornographic shots of an aroused male and female, of the same in coitus, of the woman just beginning to show, of the woman at term, and in labor as the child crowns - and not to forget breast feeding at say birth and age ... 2 ? 4? Then we'd need some showing us doing various physical things - weight lifting, running, walking, swimming, jumping, high jumping, rock climbing, dancing (speaking of dancing, we'd definitely need shots of the human herds we call crowds (especially large stadiums and religious events).
    We'd need some showing the variation in adult height and weight and skin color, musculature, skeletal stucture, bearing, etc. (especially facial characteristics). Then we'd include various clothing and ornamentations (tatoos, piercings, rings, ...) and living arrangements and ending up with some ancient and some modern "wonders" of the world - the Great Wall, the Pyramids, Burj Kalifa and other architectural wonders, Moon landing, Mars rover, Earth (at night) from space, people living and working in the Antarctic, in the dessert, at extreme altitude, in rain forests, on lakes, in cities, in suburbia, in ghettos, in tents on the plains, on farms, on communes, in caves,...

  52. Something Islamic by walterbyrd · · Score: 0, Troll

    That is the way the world is going.

  53. any healthy member of H. sapiens by ooloorie · · Score: 2, Informative

    Any healthy adult members of H. sapiens will do, since they are biologically interchangeable. If you object to one member over another on racial grounds, it simply means that you're a racist.

    1. Re:any healthy member of H. sapiens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly. Fucking racists abound. And in the name of 'social justice' they marginalize one race or another to promote one race or another. Fucking morons.

    2. Re:any healthy member of H. sapiens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are reasons to object that aren't based on race.

      Just include a picture that includes physical traits that appear in at least 1% of the population. Healthy. Disabled. Dominant genes. Recessive genes. Tall. Short. Fat Skinny. Symmetrical faces. Asymmetrical faces. Big noses. Small noses. Big ears. Small ears. Every eye color. Every natural hair color. Oh, and you might as well select a nice variation of skin pigments, too. And distinctive regional facial structures. Just makes sure they're all there. ALL of them.

      If you're going to represent all of humanity, then get a group that has all of the collective features of humanity. I don't mind if you exaggerate the ratio of the minorities a bit to make them feel better. Just include everyone. Yes, it'll be a pretty large group photo.

    3. Re:any healthy member of H. sapiens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >biologically interchangeable
      Complete, utter, n1gger-loving hogwash.

    4. Re:any healthy member of H. sapiens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^^ Russian troll.

      Kind of appropriate given that Russians have trouble with evolutionary biology anyway.

  54. there's only two obvious choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has to either be goatse or dickbutt.

  55. The Mountain by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Have a picture of Thor Bjornsson, "The Mountain" from Game of Thrones. No one will invade us then. BTW, it would help if /. allowed me to type his name properly.

  56. Has this not been ridiculed to death on Community? by CSMoran · · Score: 1

    In the interest of PC, the Greendale Human Being http://communityshow.wikia.com...

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  57. Frog, in a blender. by kugeln · · Score: 1

    Because we'll never actually agree on how we should live our lives, run the world, or care for the planet. The only way we would completely mix is through conflict and most likely in a very violent, artificial manner.

  58. Easy... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    A red circle with a slash through it...

  59. Dickbutt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone recommended Dickbutt?

    I nominate Dickbutt

  60. WTF??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what about this image says "White people"?????
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque#/media/File:Pioneer_plaque.svg

    There is nothing there that says WHITE!

    You fucking people are so racist it astounds me!

  61. Re:The "Pale blue dot" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no continent visible in the pale blue dot. Anyone who claims they can tell what continent is facing the camera is full of it.

  62. Either by helpfulcorn · · Score: 1

    a set of female and male skeletons, or a pizza because everyone who isn't a fucking weirdo or contrarian douche likes pizza.

    1. Re:Either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a fucking weirdo and a contrarian douche, and I still like pizza.

    2. Re:Either by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Hey, I'm not a particularly contrarian douche, but I don't like pizza enough to eat it more than every couple of years. Unless the step-daughter makes it from scratch if I've been making bread and have some left-over dough. Lots of mayo, no cheese, plenty of vegetables. Those flat turds you get from shops - not worth wiping your arse on.

      We're planning a trip to Naples this year. I'll definitely make a point to try what they call "pizza", because I'm told it's completely different to what the rest of the world calls "pizza" and so may actually be worth eating.

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    3. Re:Either by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      You kinda just proved his point.... Now decide if you're a weirdo, contrarian, or douche. wait, you started with not contrarian douche, so you're a weirdo.

  63. Frank Stallone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The obvious choice

  64. Training set by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

    Right now, software engineers program artificial intelligence to recognize people by feeding them millions of pictures of faces," she writes. "But whose faces? Computer scientists run into the same questions about gender, race, and culture that the Wikipedia editors encountered."

    At least that problem will solve itself as soon as the training set grows to 8 billion pictures.

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  65. well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's a fine image of agricultural workers and not some fucking corrupt politicians. You couldn't ask for more really.

  66. Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You hid your real question in another question. Computers don't 'learn' and they won't ever 'think', so you don't have to worry about it, so forever shall it be. Eventually the hype of smart algorithms (I refuse to use the post-pubescent misnomer, 'AI') will recede, and they will be repositioned accordingly. As far as aliens go, I doubt we will have visitors from space within any of our lifetimes.

  67. Re:The "Pale blue dot" by Drethon · · Score: 1

    There is no continent visible in the pale blue dot. Anyone who claims they can tell what continent is facing the camera is full of it.

    They don't have to be able to tell which half is showing to "know" one half is being discriminated against.

  68. Running in terror by nsaspook · · Score: 1
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  69. You forgot about by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    We all look like white people; we all look about 30ish years old; we do not wear clothes.

    You forgot to include that we are also quite athletic and not obese, and do not have pubic hair.

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    1. Re:You forgot about by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Hadn't thought about build, also brings age into the picture.

  70. Damned no matter what.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So two pictures describing basic anatomy of humans are not "inclusive enough"

    Yet if ethic variations were provided you can bet your ass people would be calling it racist.

    It's the same bullshit as this "hu-person" nonsense. In most regards, when you see the term mankind, it's referring to HUMAN, not males. Go back to your little boxes, there are no safe spaces in the real world, fully expect to be butthurt. Learning how to deal with that is called LIFE

  71. Head up ass by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    So many people have their heads firmly lodged up their ass that it sums up humanity quite nicely.
    That said, no image is better than a single misrepresentation.

  72. Look Like "White People"? Not So Much by careysub · · Score: 1

    The images created for the plaque were explicitly not intended to look like "two white people", and the female figure definitely has an Asian look to her. They both look a trifle pan-ethnic, given the level of detail.The dude's hair? Well, you do have a point there.

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  73. Easy enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An enormous pile of steaming feces, covered in flies.

  74. Depends on what society we are talking about... by cjjjer · · Score: 1

    Western: should be the waaaambulance sound.

  75. the great classic of humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It should be Goatse.

  76. A pack of jackals by eth1 · · Score: 1

    ...fighting over something trivial.

  77. A grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What with people editing things to fit their agendas all the time.

  78. Your own photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you go to the wikipedia page, it takes a picture of you and puts it there to represent the whole humanity. That way you can feel special and represented. Because that's what's important in life.

  79. Chuck Norris by gavrc · · Score: 2

    nuff said

  80. meow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 stick figures holding hands.

    The ugly things are biased. Did you make the shoes you wear, do you come up with the equation to power your lights at night, nice burger, must have been an nice hunt.

    In the end, objectively we are actually working together greatly

    1. Re: meow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the world ends tommorow, and you have no power, no internet, need to grow/hunt your own food and make your own clothes, sing your own songs, teach your own kids, be a soldier to your own family, then everyone will knows what made and held together the human race, you will definitely feel it.

  81. Re:Meanwhile, a message arrives from the stars. . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That explains the Mass Effect. Speaking of representative images, how about the small community somewhere in East Africa, who happen to have the most varied genome of the whole human race? Their faces have all kinds of ethnic characteristics written on them.

  82. Re:The "Pale blue dot" by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    We could just have it be top down towards the North Pole with people laughing in igloos and riding snow mobiles yelling "wheeeee!"

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  83. sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ba-a-a-a-a-a-a...

  84. Re:The "Pale blue dot" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though you're probably right on that, can we maybe lie and say that due to the low light, photos like this require longer exposure times (this is true) and it took a 12 hour exposure so both sides of the planet got photographed?

  85. I Know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A giant pile of shit!

  86. Zero Doubt What It Will Contain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will contain, or be nothing except a negro(es)

  87. Feces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody poops

  88. my suggestion by Osgeld · · Score: 0

    A gigantic asshole

  89. Need an old style family reunion pict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flood the scene with a diverse set of folks having a good time.

    Think like a CocaCola commercial.
    They have already solved the problem from a variety of angles.

  90. The Human Being by JoeDuncan · · Score: 1

    (From Community) Obviously

  91. XKCD by Subm · · Score: 1

    If ever there was a perfect case for an obligatory XKCD, this is it!

    Show stick figures.

  92. Johnny cash giving the finger by citylivin · · Score: 1
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  93. Process of elimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people in the picture can't be ...

    White, because that would be racist.

    Male, because that would be sexist.

    Heterosexual, because that would be heteronormative.

    Fully able, because that would be ablist.

    Young, because that would be ageist.

    Wealthy, because that would be classist.

    Fit, because that would fat shame.

    That may be leaving out a few restrictions, but basically a couple poor, old, wheelchair-bound, obese trans lesbians would best represent humanity based on today's standards.

  94. well, ok then by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Maybe all those non-white 90 year olds in three piece suits should have launched a spacecraft then ...

  95. Re:The "Pale blue dot" by Drethon · · Score: 1

    Though you're probably right on that, can we maybe lie and say that due to the low light, photos like this require longer exposure times (this is true) and it took a 12 hour exposure so both sides of the planet got photographed?

    Hey, now there's an idea! Just say it was a 24 hour exposure so it evenly imaged the entire planet.

  96. Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales: not naked enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the article, "... then nominated Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales as a candidate for the top image (among other, more generic, suggestions). Wales consistently wears clothes in pictures and during public appearances."

  97. Humans are what humans do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess there's a philosophical term for that, but the principal function of humans seems to be the production of more humans.

  98. dick pic and a hand cuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would cover the male half.

  99. The only real answer: Multiple images by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    It needs to be a photo gallery, not just one representative picture. Include pictures of male and female, young and adult, from countries all over the world. Our species is too varied to have just one pair from one part of the world representative of all of us.

    Alternative solution: Like the Voyager golden record, use a generic, line-drawn representation of male and female humans.

    Alternative solution: Use morphing software to 'blend' images of male and female humans from all over the world into one homogenous pair of images.


    My overall theme here, if you aren't getting it, is that it must be inclusive. This MUST NOT become a political issue!

    1. Re:The only real answer: Multiple images by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Maybe include the human genome in case the aliens want to build any bioweapons.

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    2. Re:The only real answer: Multiple images by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      LOL all they'd need to do is create a huge amount of Sarin and flood our atmosphere with it and they'd effectively sterilize the planet.

      You're thinking about this wrong: First Contact with a starfaring alien race would probably save ours; good or bad, one way or the other, it'd more likely unify us, as as species.

    3. Re:The only real answer: Multiple images by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I don't think sarin will do much to plants. And you might need a lot of it to sterilize deep ocean life as it tends to degrade when in the environment. Certainly problematic to most(all?) land animals. But you'd have to be familiar enough with terrestrial genetics, proteins and enzymes to devise a potent neurotoxin like sarin.
      For the amount of detail on biology you would probably need, it might be just as easy to create a retrovirus. The advantage of a virus is that the payload of your space craft can be minuscule compared to the amount of material you might need if you used a toxin. Small payload means a small craft, and you benefit from a better energy efficiency for a propulsion system.

      A small craft might be able to sustain an acceleration over a long period, perhaps a year (~31558149 seconds). If you could do a large acceleration like 9.8 m/s^2 (1 G) that's going to take you to the speed of light in a year (not really, but that's how the newton equations work out). Something more like 0.1 m/s^2 (1% G) will take you to a relatively sedate 1% c. Which is still amazingly fast and beyond our current propulsion technology. Sending a probe from Gliese 832 c, about 16 ly away, is going to take 160 years at 1% c. But if the goal is to annihilate a civilization as soon as you detect them but before they spread too far, that might be enough. As to why this would happen in my totally hypothetical situation, perhaps the aliens are crazy religious and want to correct anything that differs from their world view.

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    4. Re:The only real answer: Multiple images by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      See my comment up-thread about the genome project. Either Craig Venter (because he's most likely to be any particular piece of the genome) or NOT Craig Venter (because he's an arrogant so-and-so).

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    5. Re:The only real answer: Multiple images by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      create a huge amount of Sarin and flood our atmosphere with it and they'd effectively sterilize the planet.

      Sarin is effective against vertebrates. It might be effective against insects (IANA biochemist). It's unlikely to be significantly effective against non-animal organisms. Life is more resilient than you give it credit for ; just because it kills you doesn't mean it's particularly god at killing things in general.

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  100. What Image Should Represent All of Humanity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A DNA helix. A X-Ray diffraction pattern of a DNA Helix seems just fine too (even better, science, math is the universal language. Not sure a image made for our eyes, will be interpretable for an aliens but I am sure about the X-Ray diffraction pattern.).

  101. Easy. by azcoyote · · Score: 1
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  102. My guess? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Right now I'd say a crying baby is probably the most realistic representation.

    Please, proceed with arguments over what color the baby should be.

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  103. Same as always -- backwards and useless by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    I don't know of a single child who's been trained to recognize humans by being fed a million faces. I also don't know of a single child who can't recognize any human face -- black, white, healthy, disfigured, old, young, or partial.

    Same goes for my dog, by the way. i don't need to see every fish in order to recognize a new fish as being a fish. Fins swim. Grade 9 science was "how to read your fish".

    AI is certainly artificial, but the "intelligence" part is being taken far too literally. More intel isn't any classic definition of intelligence.

    The day your AI can recognize a human based on features, and not based on templates, then maybe you'll have crossed the line into what we actually call intelligence. Psychology, not computer science.

    You know, two eyes (or one eye and a patch, or sunglasses), a nose (broad, narrow, broken or bleeding), a mouth (open, closed, grinning, or covered).

    I don't think it's difficult to recognize a "mouth". Whether it's human, canine, iguana, or worm. A human face has two eyes, one mouth, and a nose between them. Any kind of mouth, any kind of nose, any kind of eyes. And any of those four features can be covered, damaged, open, closed, or concealed.

    You don't have an AI capable of identifying a mouth. Therefore, you have nothing.

    Let me know when your AI can recognize a mouth on 90% of lizards and mammals and cartoons. Then we'll talk about AI taking over the world.

    You don't have image recognition. What you have is visual pattern matching. Humans don't do visual pattern matching, just like humans don't walk around a table by using calculus. We don't walk by knowing the length of our legs. We don't drive by knowing precisely how far away the next car is. We don't use lasers.

    We see through blizzards, fog, rain, ice, and sun. We don't need perfectly clean lenses to do so.

    I'll say it again. If your AI needs to be fed more than 100 examples of something, then it isn't learning shit. And if it needs to remember those examples, aggregated or otherwise, then again it isn't learning anything at all.

    Two eyes, a mouth, and a nose between them. You need to identify four features in relative proximity. Start there.

  104. A representation of our DNA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plain and simple, a representation of our DNA.

  105. A serious suggestion by burningcpu · · Score: 1

    We should speak to the goals of humanity, not necessarily how humanity currently appears.

    I suggest the number 1, represented by a line of 'stars' on a black background.

    Something to represent the ideal of unity of our species, and demonstrate understanding of the common source of all life and all things.

    1. Re:A serious suggestion by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      We should speak to the goals of humanity, not necessarily how humanity currently appears.

      We should speak of the actual behaviour of humanity, not the claims, plans and aspirations of the many different sub-groups. Because we're not united, in the slightest.

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  106. Re:Meanwhile, a message arrives from the stars. . by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    "Come on over, our parents aren't home!"

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  107. Easiest Question Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a cock

  108. Re:I feel offended by this picture!! by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    If the asians were just a tiny intelligent, they would do whatever they could to REDUCE their numbers

    Actually if they were intelligent they would reduce YOUR numbers given you could sustain two of them for the resource consumption of one of you.

  109. Stock photo by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    Nothing hard about this... just take some stock photo that tries to represent multi cultural ethnicity in several age groups.
    If it needs to be a single individual, it'll probably need to be, by average, a male chinese poor guy.
    There's no way around this. You either go subjective, which then the image could be just about anything, or go objective, which would tie the image to statistics.

  110. Very simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A 7 foot pansexual 256-gendered dwarf with green hair who has consensual sex with children and animals.

  111. red by originalGMC · · Score: 1

    As a synesthetes, I have always seen the concept of humanity as red. The flag of Nippon should do nicely.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan#/media/File:Flag_of_Japan.svg

  112. Re:Meanwhile, a message arrives from the stars. . by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    "What is this, an interstellar restroom stall?"

  113. Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stick men.

  114. Agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should just put a picture of me up there and be done with it.

    Problem solved.

  115. Itâ(TM)s bloody obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump! Why? Weâ(TM)ve reached (arguably since the 70â(TM)s) critical mass of a-holes and idiots. The universe needs a clear warning...

  116. DNA by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    How about something basic, like Adam and Eve holding hands?

  117. Re:Meanwhile, a message arrives from the stars. . by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    "Hi, my name is Chris Hansen and you're on "To Catch An Alien...""

  118. conflating separate issues... by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1
    First off, as well known and respected Wikipedia is, it is not considered an authoritative source on anything, even by its own admins. Thus, that Akha couple wouldn't be used as a type exemplar by anyone seriously working in the AI field on image recognition. Nor would it be used as such by anyone in the field of anthropology. Google has already been making great strides in image recognition, partly from machine learning based on image tags and captions found with images, partly from all of us filling in those re-captcha fields. Any researcher who wants to train their system on human recognition can easily get what amounts to a curated list of hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions of humans.

    Second, the Pioneer plaque is very simplified line art. Except for being able to say that neither being represented has an afro as is common among African and African descended peoples, claiming a specific ethnicity for either one is an exercise in projection by the viewer. To me, the couple looks like the main might be Hindi or Pakistani, the woman could be anything from Mongolian to Hawaiian. (I am small-m metis but can easily pass as white because "white" covers so many ethnic backgrounds) Being mere scratches on a gold plated piece of aluminium, there is no skin/eye colour information AT ALL. Nor is there enough detail to clearly say if an epicanthic fold is present on either person. (BTW: epicanthic folds are not uniquely Asian) While I'm at it, let me mention the fact that ethnic groups as we recognize them, are not hard and clear distinctions. Humanity is more like a spectrum, with ethnicities occupying overlapping areas of that spectrum.

    Third; overall, this article and the questions it raises feel like a subtle attempt to politicize a subject that should be considered above politics. Who should represent Humanity for machine learning? The answer is "Use ALL of us!" There is no need to force a selection of some sub-set of humanity when doing this. Use as many images as you can to teach the machines. Any time and place we need to use a single example, like men's rooms, space probes etc, just use simplified line art like the Pioneer plaque does. (the team behind that plaques design knew the political ramifications of choosing a specific and identifiable ethnicity, so did their best to come up with the most general, simplified example they could.)

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  119. Just make it a nigger by aliquis · · Score: 1

    That's what they all want after all.

  120. Easy One by Elixon · · Score: 1

    - An imprint of hand into concrete.

    Because what can represent us - as a modern humanity better? Many animals have bigger brains, legs, hair... but human hands?

    And yes, to avoid all those left/right/gender/gay/lesbian/age/color/hue/IQ/size/DNA/wealth/... controversies, to appease all people of all the colors of the rainbow and invisible light spectrum and... The hand must be an imprint of a hand into something characteristic of our civilization - concrete - that way nobody will be able to say who's hand was it.

    So I therefore propose THE IMPRINT OF HAND IN CONCRETE because it characterizes us the most and it has a clear upgrade path to robotic Hand 2.0 imprint in Mars' dust. Who can beat my proposal? Ha! :-D

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    1. Re:Easy One by Elixon · · Score: 1

      And if we want to be more contemporary the picture should be a pile of human excrement with teared up New York Times used instead of toiled paper. But I guess once the Mueller finishes that symbol will be no longer representative depiction.

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    2. Re:Easy One by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      That's a nice symbol to represent humanity, but it's not a depiction of humanity.

      It's nice that you pick on a fairly high-tech material - concrete - representing the application of geology (the aggregate, the shale, the lime), chemistry (the cement), heat (to make the lime, then to react the components together), engineering (to grind the components together and mix them well). It's a good metaphor, but I don't think it's a good depiction of the human species.

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  121. this is the picture by mapkinase · · Score: 1
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  122. Maiko haaaan DVD cover by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    My choice is the Japanese comedy DVD cover: Haaaan! - Maiko haaaan (great cover)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  123. E Pluribus Anus by hackel · · Score: 1

    https://i.imgur.com/XFKP6.jpg

    Obviously. Go Human Beings!

  124. Why are we even debating this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows it should be J. R. "Bob" Dobbs

  125. I was thinking an anus.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since we're collectively acting like a giant asshole, but yeah, the output of said asshole could be an acceptable image as well :)

  126. Why would aliens by poity · · Score: 1

    Why would aliens be unaware of the idea of genetic and cultural differences? If an ET probe crashed on Earth and there was a plaque showing a couple of the typical Grey aliens with specific features ,I wouldn't assume they were all identical. I'd go "okay that's generally morphology", I wouldn't go "oh this one's eyes are a bit narrower here so it can't be a Grey." If Wikipedia folks want to be anal retentive, they can create a composite human form from their picture database.

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    1. Re:Why would aliens by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Why would aliens be unaware of the idea of genetic and cultural differences?

      Because they're a clonal hive-mind species?

      Hollywood's depiction of aliens as if they're humans in rubber suits is more related to the relative costs of (and appeals of) humans in rubber suits compared to other possible societies. But it's almost certainly wrong.

      We have a sample of 1. That doesn't give us a good idea of the potential diversity.

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  127. The question shows the sorry state of humanity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ooh we need to include this race... Ooh don't forget that gender! I feel offended if the picture shows this! I will hack the site if it doesn't show that! The picture is too white! The black girls is more to the side than the white man! Bah.

  128. Jimmy Wales! by darth.hunterix · · Score: 1

    We should include picture of Jimmy Wales. He founded Wikipedia, he may as well be the face of humanity on his own site. Preferably not naked, but if he insists...

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  129. War. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This might be something it is good for.

  130. Vulva by soccerisgod · · Score: 1

    I mean, c'mon, easy. It's where we all come from, no matter what race color or creed!

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  131. "White people"? by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    I'm confused. The sketch of the humans is an outline etched onto a gold foil, right? Where does anybody get "white" from that?

    1. Re:"White people"? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Gold-plated aluminium plate - for stiffness-weight ratio.

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  132. The poop emoji by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is the perfect representation of the glory of humanity -- a committee of human beings decided to create something like that.

    Talk about disruptive courageousity.

  133. Re:The "Pale blue dot" by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    If you could see the people, then it's Northern summer (axial tilt, all that jazz) ...

    So you'd be seeing drowning polar bears, ice sheets on land reflecting the sunlight and wide stretches of dark seawater soaking up the sunlight and warming. Maybe someone replacing the drive belt on their snowmobile on a sunny afternoon.

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  134. One testicle by nimzo · · Score: 1

    A human body with one testicle. The average.

  135. Did you even check? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To the original author: Have you ever looked at the images which are included on the Golden Record? Your base premise is ridiculous if you have. Maybe before you make a post like this, you should do a little fact checking. https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/galleries/images-on-the-golden-record/ Get your information from a credible source, instead of 80's Sci Fi movies.

  136. Someone that represents the breadth of all mankind by NotFamous · · Score: 1

    ...like yo momma.

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  137. Already done by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Da vinci's drawing. Man in a circle.
    https://goo.gl/images/39tcws
    Can't beat perfection.

    1. Re:Already done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want perfection, I suggest Lenna!

  138. A question which begs an answer by Bust0ut · · Score: 0

    A crystalline object.to metamorphism into. The human is both pragmatically and philosophically seeking to be with the crystal object. In fact, this very topic exposes just how desperate we are trying..

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  139. This is the image you are looking for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lfLmbJz1Gys/SD8GSGZj7_I/AAAAAAAABek/tSiy3jsfqTA/s1600/fling-web1-small.jpg

  140. How about these? by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Here's 2 possibilities - in hopes of thwarting any malevolent beings:
    http://media.wizards.com/image...
    http://www.donaldmeme.com/temp...

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  141. Image? by iq145 · · Score: 1

    By the time the next probe is sent out, the world's majority will be muslims. So the symbol voted to be sent will likely be the flag of islam.