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Chinese Journalist Banned From Flying, Buying Property Due To 'Social Credit Score' (cbslocal.com)
schwit1 shares a report from CBS Local: China is rolling out a high-tech plan to give all of its 1.4 billion citizens a personal score, based on how they behave. But there are consequences if a score gets too low, and for some that's cause for concern. When Liu Hu recently tried to book a flight, he was told he was banned from flying because he was on the list of untrustworthy people. Liu is a journalist who was ordered by a court to apologize for a series of tweets he wrote and was then told his apology was insincere. "I can't buy property. My child can't go to a private school," he said. "You feel you're being controlled by the list all the time." And the list is now getting longer as every Chinese citizen is being assigned a social credit score -- a fluctuating rating based on a range of behaviors. It's believed that community service and buying Chinese-made products can raise your score. Fraud, tax evasion and smoking in non-smoking areas can drop it.
Wow, who knew!
..and thought 'That's a good idea!'.... Scary..
The Big Brother is raising his younger siblings right. Apologize or go to bed without dinner. What a great prospect for the future. It always starts with 'bad' people and before you know it you are labeled a terrorist for expressing your opinion.
sudo rm -r -f --no-preserve-root /
In the US they just put you in the no-fly list with no explanation and you are pretty much screwed.
The chinese at least give you some feedback to "improve".
Note that there are ways to earn money that don't involve "follow the law, work hard"...
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
We have "demerit" points on our drivers license here in Ontario. As long as the system is transparent (you broke this law, -25 points, you paid your tax on time, +2 points, etc.) then it's not so bad. Post the account history publicly for each person. However, if the algorithm is a secret, that's a really big problem. You know all the Supreme Leader's buddies are going to have padded scores, right...
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
Look at some of the current people in our government.
The problem with your idea is that those are the people who would decide what your "social score" is. Do you really think that the people who covered up Teddy Kennedy leaving a woman to die would have counted any of his anti-social behavior against him? Or that the people who are angry about Donald Trump's alleged sexual harassment but were OK with Bill Clinton's alleged rapes would have evenly applied "social scores"?
Basically, the concept only works if you have honest, trustworthy people to implement it, but if you have such people in positions of power, you don't need it.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
That is also something The Orville explored in the "Majority Rule" episode.
Whatever abuse can happen, WILL HAPPEN. If you give power to the state then it's guaranteed someone will come and use it in the worst ways imaginable.
Socialist dream (tm).
Considering this and things like it have been talked about way before that show was made it's less the Chinese looking at a fictional dystopia for ideas to implement and more just the writers of a fictional dystopia hearing about Chinese plans and adding it to their fictional dystopia.
It's a horrifying idea none the less and only made even more horrifying by now having been implemented in the worst way possible in real life. Then again considering all the outrageous ways China has tried to control it's population over the decades in an effort to stop them from realizing the absurdity of their one party system this is probably business as usual from their perspective. If you can get thrown into some local Stasi equivalent's jail with nothing resembling a trial and coerced into confessing to all kinds of crazy things just for running a bookstore that sells books critical of the ruling party and system this may not even register for a lot people.
"Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
Don't tell anyone what rises or lowers your score and you're one step closer to a religion.
But seriously, that would actually increase the effectiveness of something like this. Nobody is better at coming up with things to do and not to do than the people themselves, they'll regulate their lives in ways you wouldn't even think possible just to suck up to big daddy.
Could anyone stop the planet, I want to get off.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of SJWs suddenly cried out in agreement and were suddenly scheming.
The thing about planning any far reaching system is that you need to consider what the damage that can be done if people with less-than-noble intentions take control of the system and use it to further their own goals. It's not just the danger conservatives imposing their ideas on how you're supposed to live your life and think taking over the system, there's also their opposite numbers on the extreme who are particularly keen on trying to prevent people from having opinions that differ from their orthodoxy. If implemented as something run by the government this system is particularly vulnerable to politicians coming in and changing what's rewarded and what's punished to fit their goals.
If I had to come up with a name for this, it would be the "Monkey with a machine gun"-principle as I think that explains the idea itself pretty well.
"Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
On a smaller scale, imagine the uproar if slashdot visitors were scored based on their comments, and even had their opinions hidden by default if the ruling party didn't like what was said!
This is, in theory how "capitalism" and "the free market" work. They use these points for things called "money."
If the justice system was fair, you wouldn't need some secondary system to deal with "cheating and crimes [that] are well known."
Your ad here. Ask me how!
Speaking out against government? No flying. Voicing your concern over a policy that negatively affects you? No school for your kids.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So, you could, for instance, invest in some local firm or support some party member.
So at least a solution for rich people exists. Whew. For a moment I was worried the law would apply to them for a change.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Even if Ted diddo that, he simply wasn't emotionally equiped to deal with the problem and has to be forgiven. After all, he is a Kennedy and they are all high IQ geniuses. The people that did the cover-up are the guilty one by hiding the truth from us.
See how easy it is to shift your social score to someone else?
The other smart Kennedy fly a plane into the ground.
The Orville: Majority Rule
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Government cannot make man richer, but it can make him poorer. - Ludwig von Mises
Actually, I know no ways to earn a lot of money where "work hard" is part of the equation.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
"Teddy Kennedy leaving a woman to die ... Donald Trump's alleged sexual harassment... Bill Clinton's alleged rapes..."
Why does this site have these throwaway politically charged comments modded up these days?
The problem is in the definition of "misbehave". Because even the examples you give send shivers up my spine. And we didn't even touch the usual "praise dear leader and love The Party" bits that will almost certainly make it into the fold.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
That's how I envisaged this passage would work:
And he [the "Beast"] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version)
You acts (symbolized by right hand) or thinking (symbolized by forehead) not conforming to society's norms (actually, what society is told the norms are - symbolized by the mark of the beast)? Then you will be censured by restricting your economic activities, even the unrelated ones.
Nice alpha testing there to smooth out the bugs before the international roll-out...
Then there's those Southern Baptists still waiting for the bar code and/or implanted microchip. (Which admittedly will make the administration of such a system even easier.)
(Posting AC because of unpopular view - not following the /. groupthink. Hmmm the irony.)
If by throwaway you mean 100% ontopic and relevant and historical then it's because that is how we predict the future, by past experience! Of course not all of us, some of us are more pie in the sky type of ppl. Do you know the definition of insanity ?
Useful idiots like you will die building the huts for the next wave of zeks.
Either way, I confidently predict widespread hacking, with serious consequences.
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Yes we get it. Democrats bad, Republicans doubleplusgood.
This unthink certainly helped your social credit score comrade!
OK, you donâ(TM)t like the high profile ones?
What about the NJ Port Authority âoeEthicsâ Commissioner who spent 20 minutes yelling at a pair of NJ cops, trying to name and title drop, in an attempt to get her daughters friend off the hook for driving an unregistered vehicle?
Most governments, and the US for sure included, are rife with little corruptions and âoecourtesiesâ for the various members.
I do not want any of these people to be able to manipulate a âoesocial pointsâ system which is inevitably going to be gamed not only by them but by various parts of society.
We already ruin lives with prison, a social point system would just push the lowest members to the bottom and raise the highest members. Much like money does today. If you have it you tend to get more of it, and if you do not have it you tend to find it harder to get.
It is not a social credit score. Social implies that it is somehow derived from how other people perceive you, where each person can have a greatly different view of you. It also implies that everyone is free to use, or not use, these scores as they see fit.
Neither is the case, there is nothing social about it. It is a mandatory government conformance and compliance score. It is an instrument of oppression.
If any western government tried something like this, every single citizen and their dog would know about it. I've asked some locals in China about it, none of them had a clue about what I was talking about.
He knows if you've been naughty or nice. Maybe Xi is really Santa in disguise.
I could see a social credit score system easily coming to the United States because the big data miners like Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc. would drool at the opportunity like that for a new source of revenue. I'll bet even the credit bureaus are watching the experiment in China unfold and are plotting how they could implement a similar system here in the United States.
pay attention. they are doing this globally. they are tracking candidate influencers worldwide. they are tracking candidate opposition worldwide.
They really do want to take over the world. They really are playing the long-game, and playing to win.
If you don't pay attention, then your grand-kids will kiss their butts goodbye, and need to learn Mandarin to get by. think about it.
My politically charged comments were to show that Trump's political opponents had just as well-known, and possibly more serious, cheating and crimes.
Unfortunately, the right-wing's failure to recognize Trump's own serious crimes and malfeasances is evident, as well as how the Clinton's accusers were guilty of many crimes, including Gingrich, Hyde, Hastert, Livingston and more. That, and how despite decades of trying, the right-wing still relies on specious claims like passing around the so-called "Death List" and completely misrepresenting situations like abortion or immigration.
Not to mention, more recently, characters like Moore himself. And dozens of others. But what do we hear?
Well, despite their claims otherwise, it seems that conservatives love to judge and condemn others who disagree with them, while being indifferent, apologetic, and even supportive of their own members behavior. Yet oddly, they ascribe all the follies of this kind of judgment to their nemesis, the dreaded liberals and progressives themselves.
So whatever criticisms they say that might have some truthful character is undercut by the multitude of lies, hyperbole and hypocrisy that is coming from their own quarters.
Perhaps if you were being truly bipartisan in your comments, and made more of an effort to emphasize the impropriety to be found on both sides, you might yourself accomplish some degree of effectiveness to your attempts.
Now me, I could point out some of the follies that Clinton made, such as going along with the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, but then, that would require the GOP to admit the Bush Presidency was the one responsible for it. But they can't do that, they can't even admit they were the ones who started keeping prisoners at Guantanamo or that they even opposed Obama's efforts to bring them to trial.
One book I know of was written in 1948.
And another one 6000 years ago where an all seeing being would punish you if you did something naughty. That was also the first reference to "Get of my lawn'"
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
extra credits did this video more than 2 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI&vl=en
Voicing your concern over a policy that negatively affects you? No school for your kids.
We're already almost there. Express any concerns about your kids getting "educated" on the current government's ideas of sexual morality? You're some kind of antisocial weirdo.
https://www.irs.gov/businesses...
Starting January 22, 2018, passengers with a driver's license issued by a state that is still not compliant with the REAL ID Act (and has not been granted an extension) will need to show an alternative form of acceptable identification for domestic air travel to board their flight.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
I decided to post rather than parent down.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Look at some of the current people in our government.
The problem with your idea is that those are the people who would decide what your "social score" is.
You mean, if you build this kind of apparatus, politicians you don't like might get to use it in the future? No way!!
because our right wing, pro corporate media doesn't cover it. I only know about it because a video blog on youtube called "Extra Credits" covered it. It's horrifying, but what can I do about it? Are we going to punish China for it? No, we are not. We need their cheap goods to maintain our meager quality of life in the face of globalism. This isn't going to change how anyone on this _forum_ votes much less in the country.
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A whole lot of work to, if they hate their countrymen so much they could just bomb their own country, seems like a really round about way to get people to give up living. If a world where you have to fit it, their isn't much motivation to get out of bed. It has to be okay to be disruptive or the days end up being rehashes in the same theme. Boring .
Not for private Chinese schools, they have scholarships for students studying abroad with the hope that a large portion of those will bring back the knowledge and expertise we have here in higher education.
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It's a horrifying idea none the less and only made even more horrifying by now having been implemented in the worst way possible in real life.
You say that as if there could be some better way to implement it that would make it somewhat acceptable! Based on the rest of your comment, I don't thing this is what you meant but still...
Go take your Ritalin
Yeah, what a perfect hacking target! It can range from manipulating scores for profit, making your elected officials have really bad scores, slowly and secretly poisoning the data until it's no longer trusted, to destroying it and keeping it destroyed.
ON DELETE CASCADE
Jesus Fucking Christ, fascism doesn't work if it's implemented by honest, trustworthy people. It's still fascism!
And Communism doesn't work if it's implemented by... uhh... anyone... it's still Communism.
the nazis banned the jews from doing stuff and later on sent them off to camps.
With the Chinese, at least the government is the doing the scoring, so you can understand the nature of the beast
I hope you are joking or this was sarcastic. Chinese transparency isn't high on the priority list in that system of government.
With the Chinese, at least the government is the doing the scoring, so you can understand the nature of the beast....
Which is that it is tied into every single company which is why he can't fly, or get loans, nor have a kid in private school...
with the US, you're really throwing yourself on the court of public opinion
Which also holds no power over who you can and cannot do business with, nor is tied into various government agencies like the TSA so you can still fly.
And you are painting the situation in China as better???
And providing your social media accounts is now mandatory to enter the US.
Half right.
Yes but they are only looking at that for purpose of visit, to understand if you might overstay a visa.
It's NOT mandatory for U.S. citizens to provide social media accounts to enter the country. In China you are not even allowed to *leave* if your social score is bad enough.
And once you are in the U.S. your Facebook Score doesn't matter for what you can do.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I agree, when has "abstinence only" sex ed ever worked?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Fraud, tax evasion and smoking in non-smoking areas can drop it
Yeah - there are consequences for these things here too. I guess the point is that they don't all add up against you but there again there are examples of harsher sentencing for repeat offenders, 3-strikes laws etc.
Nullius in verba
A no fly list. How innovative. I wonder how they came up with an idea like that?
Have gnu, will travel.
Let's all thank China for introducing this dystopian idea to the world, thus teaching everyone how dystopic this idea is.
If Apple had come up with this idea, we'd be fucked.
The thing about planning any far reaching system is that you need to consider what the damage that can be done if people with less-than-noble intentions take control of the system and use it to further their own goals
That's the beauty of the Chinese system, Xi is already emperor for life. So that little problem was already sorted out first :)
I'm sure a certain level of computer skills can get you a good score and perhaps be used to derail that person you don't like. ( assuming of coarse you don't get caught.)
I wonder how much you loose in you credit score for not being an atheist. ( I'm sure it is a good chunk from the people I've talked too.)
Of coarse if there is no God, why shouldn't it be that way. As Pavalov put it 'The sooner human beings get over this idea that free will exists and get on with the business of governing the human race , the better off we will all be". Pretty much consistent with Stalin , Lenin, Hitler and Mussolini. Unless we forget , the Chinese government today is a intellectual descendant of Lenin and Stalin and helped into power by nothing less then the communist party of the USSR.
âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
China is *all about* stability. Chaos is what they fear, and rightly so. They had quite enough chaos in the last 150 years and Trump's tariffs are threatening even more.
Wow, you are lumping together the deaths of hundreds of millions with a tariff, that didn't even get implemented.
Truly Trump haters are bat-shit insane crazy, like the kind of crazy that literally set fire to themselves because they are so crazy. And people wonder why Trump is on such a winning streak, with people as crazily and slavishly devoted to introducing Trump in any topic on conversation, sane people shy away from you lot in droves.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
but then, that would require the GOP to admit the Bush Presidency was the one responsible for it. But they can't do that
Actually they did. Why do you think the tea party groups happened? Why do you think those GOPe and RINO's started fleeing, and those gop pundits, and so on. All that screeching by them that "the republican party left me!!!!111!11!!!!" and so on. Don't worry though, they were welcomed with open arms by the democrats. Just go look up people like David Frum, just look at all of the accolades by the democrat and progressive establishment he gets.
Om, nomnomnom...
Just like that episode of The Orville. Who's to say that people don't make up shit about people they don't like so they can get their 'social credit score' dinged to ruin their lives for them? Who's to say that the Communist Chinese government isn't doing exactly that; making up shit about people who are 'inconvenient' or 'undesirable' to them but otherwise are fine, just to wreck them? We all know the best way to destroy someone is not killing them, that just creates a martyr (and you can't keep hurting someone who is dead); it's to discredit and disgrace them publicly, then they're a living reminder (and you can keep hurting them forever). The Communist Chinese government is a bunch of fucking assholes.
The greatest thing Trump could do is declare all that debt null and void.
It would collapse the Chinese economy, sure, and probably result in them invading neighbours. Would work out nicely for the US though - not least because they'd have a trillion+ to invest in the arms industries to help those neighbours.
ah but those future huge negative consequences are what that song was about (the opening theme song to TV show Baretta by Sammy Davis Jr.)
Don't go to bed with no price on your head, no, no (Don't do it), no, no
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time (Don't do it) (Hurry up)
Keep your eye on the sparrow when the going gets narrow
(Don't do it) Don't do it
Don't roll the dice if you can't pay the price, no, no (Don't do it), don't do it
Don't run your feet down no dead end street, no, no (Don't do it) (Hurry up)
Just keep your eye on the sparrow when the going gets narrow
(Don't do it) Don't do it
Don't do me dirt or you're gonna get hurt (Don't do it)
Don't run away 'till you hear what I say, no, no (Don't do it) (Hurry up)
Keep your eye on the sparrow when the going gets narrow
(Don't do it) Don't do it
Ain't gonna fight with no thief in the night, oh no
(Well, well, well, well, well)
Devil's advocate here: Shouldn't the West adopt this method?
No.
This can penalize unpopular behaviors as well
Thank you for highlight one reason why.
giving ardent 2A supporters the choice between having military weapons or being able to interact and have full access to society's benefits will definitely be useful
Only for people that don't believe in democracy.
They can either give up membership, or be part of society; not both.
If thoughtcrime becomes illegal you're the first cunt against the wall.
Everyone has a level playing field.
Oh sweet sweet summer child.
Overall, this might be viewed as a tool of a repressive government
..because it is.
realistically, this is a way to keep order
So is the gulag system. I don't support that either.
and is the best thing modern technology has for doing so
I reject your 'order' and will happily do so with extreme violence. Fuck you and your authoritarianism.
How the fuck did you associate the parent AC with the people he himself describes as SJW?
You're a bigger fuckwit than he is.
You can get thrown out of a bar for wearing a MAGA hat
Bars are indoors. Hats should not be worn indoors. You should throw anybody out for being stupid enough to wear their hat indoors.
Take the fucking hat off or get the fuck out.
but wow...more and more you're starting to see this
You're only saying that because people are posting it online. The fact is in terms of social norms the hive mind has always existed and voicing something out of line with that has always vilified the person.
Social justice is nothing new. The only thing new about it is the current flavour of the month.
Sometimes I'm slow on the uptake.
I just realized that false equivalence is everyone's old-fashioned slippery slope goosed up with frictionless ropes, massless pulleys, and FTL travel.
I suspect social exclusion dates back to 93,000 years before Cain and Abel. Some gullible sot (or tribe of gullible sots) bought the story that it was a new squabble.
Make no mistake, what China is doing here is fuck-me-gently totalitarianism.
If I recall the episode, not exactly hardened targets. But this exercise is stupid beyond belief to begin with, because what makes torture torture is the lack of undo/erase/saved game. Hotel California for the nightmare fuel, deep in the ancient brain.
Fuck me gently, relatively speaking (Syriana clawback scene—later, Clooney winces just to dial a phone).
This is a way of ending a persons life, and providing a politically legitimized means of doing it.
I don't think people understand just how nefarious this is. This can and will be used to control entire societies, in ways that past dictatorships could only dream of.
You can design this system to silence ALL political dissent, in a very subtle and undetectable way - the same way homelessness is legitimized and acceptable politically, in western society - and the way the system works, will encourage the support of everyone in society (lest they literally be scored into oblivion as well, for not cooperating or being enthusiastic enough...).
It makes 1984 look like an Athenian democracy, in comparison. It's one of the most ugly and dangerously totalitarian things I've seen in my lifetime.
Ok China shill, I know your masters are really trying to have you promote China and that's fine, but you really should be careful whitewashing the deaths of 1 million people
Granted I had the exact number a bit off, I was thinking more of Russia, but you still look a bit silly arguing the exact number when so many people know what happened generally.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Rabbi could have meant that "thank god for the State for it holds of the crazies who want to burn our Geto", or even perhaps singing his own tune as he himself was a figure of authority. Or ofc he could have just been an ordinary collectivist.
I don't buy anything made in China unless I have to. And I'm willing to pay more (and have paid more) for things that were not made there.
It's good that some tech companies push protection of the environment. But I'd be a lot more impressed with the ethics of those companies if they didn't build manufacturing centers, or technology research centers, in China. (See this article: "Apple investing half a billion dollars in Chinese R&D centers as it announces two more".)
What's new is the current flavorS of the month. The US has had a dominant culture for most of its existence, and it's not only splitting, but the minority ones are much more visible. Speaking out against a visible subculture means that subculture is going to say bad things about you, regardless of what subculture that is. If I were to make a public stance that violent video games are bad (which I really don't have evidence for anyway), I'd be similarly roasted for insulting gamers. I've been flamed for saying things that you'd think a SJW would approve of, but not by SJWs.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
what Li Wenzu's score must be - - she's the loyal and loving wife of one of 709 disappeared human rights attorneys - - and she's under house arrest for attempting to march from Beijing to Tianjin to draw attention to her missing husband, thanks to the nefarious government of China and Emperor Xi Jinping.
https://www.scmp.com/video/chi...
Black Mirror TV show, this time.
Realistically, I don't see how it could ever be another way? If you committed crimes society deems serious enough that you needed to be locked away for years, separated from the masses? You can't *really* just expect to come back after that and have everyone pretend it never happened.
It's one thing for government to officially declare "time served" as the end of your punishment. But it's another to expect the public not to judge you for your past transgressions.
Especially when it comes to applying for credit, you're talking about a process shrouded in layers of secrecy as to exactly what earns you the credit score you're given, and exactly what a given score will or won't let you do. Regardless of any prison time, the REST of us aren't always too sure what's going on with the credit thing either. You've got 3 big credit reporting agencies out there who all keep their own records about you and all seem to come up with different scores. Some places try to average 2 or 3 of those together while others just go with a favorite agency's score as the one they use. When trying to get a home loan, they don't even use ANY of those scores, but instead, use one that you're never able to see yourself at all.
It would collapse the US economy. According to Wikipedia, 55% of the US national debt is held by us. It would also mean that we could no longer borrow money at reasonable rates.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Benevolent dictatorships are always tempting, along with extralegal ways to deal with people for the good of society. My problems with benevolent dictatorship as a system of government are, (a) who decides what's benevolent? (b) how do we select the benevolent dictator, (c) how do we insure that the dictator remains benevolent, and (d) how do we get any progress in a population that just accepts dictatorial rule?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Startup founders work really hard. Some of them make a lot of money. Depending on how much money you think is "a lot", working hard in a company to become a high executive works for some.
Of course, none of this is nearly as effective as having the right parents.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Or we could deduct points for stupidity and ignorance.
Politics and being head of a large organization is always a bit dicey. It's often better to keep one's politics private. Eich would have been seriously hampered as Mozilla's CEO because of his action.
You can get thrown out of a bar for not wearing a MAGA hat, as wearing hats is not a protected class anywhere I know. Go find another bar.
Fortunately, "public enemy #1" doesn't actually come with any penalties, other than having ticked off some people.
You're not a hateful bigot for thinking marriage should be between a man and a woman. You can become a hateful bigot based on pretty much any belief. There's a strong tendency on the political extremes to be assholes to people with other views, and to confuse holding views with being vicious and positively hateful. For example, there's a tendency currently on the right wing to behave obnoxiously and claim they're being punished for their views. See James Damore as an example (and read the findings of the labor relations board).
Nobody's going to call you a denier for not believing in climate change. You become a denier when you absolutely believe in no climate change and get sufficiently vocal and insistent on it.
Nobody gets a six-figure fine for not baking a cake. The bakery you're thinking of got it mostly for the internet harassment campaign they started. Read the legal finding of facts, which is the best source for finding why there was that six-figure award.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Soon after sincere Christians are removed from the equation, you'll get to see how it works out. "Devil's advocate" is SO appropriate....
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
Just wait till general AI is available, or something sufficiently similar to it.
Then every minute of every day will be tracked and cataloged. You won't be able to step out onto the street without it being registered. It'll be like a political officer assigned to every person, watching, carefully scrutinizing for any sign of thoughtcrime.
And then, only those who have a sufficient social score will be allowed to have children.
Imagine, if nice people were actually rewarded! I suspect China will not be the ones to crack this particular puzzle, and more likely will have horrific consequences for enemies of the state though... Just think, one day, forum upvotes could actually be worth something :)
What the person you responded to does not understand is that Fascism and Communism do not work for two closely related reasons:
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
I agree, when has "abstinence only" sex ed ever worked?
If you think the specific content is the point, you missed the point.
But do those govs explicitly write down and go out of their way to Exclude/Limit the power of the central Gov ? I think not.
Hmm... Then it's more sensible than trying a startup, that's high risk AND a lot of work.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Well, then what is the point?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Someone in the Chinese government is a fan of Black Mirror.
Nosedive (2016):
People rate their online and in-person interactions on a five-star scale. This system cultivates insincere relationships, as a person's rating significantly affects their socioeconomic status. Lacie is a young woman currently rated at 4.2 and keen to achieve self-improvement, hoping to reach a 4.5 rating to qualify for a discount to a luxury apartment. Lacie tries to gain favour from highly-rated people, as they have larger impacts on scores, and sees a great chance to achieve her goal, when school friend Naomi asks her to be maid-of-honour at her upcoming wedding, with many highly-rated guests. After a series of mishaps on her way to the wedding that send her ratings plummeting, Naomi calls Lacie and tells her not to come. Enraged, Lacie manages to get to the celebratory dinner; she grabs the microphone and starts giving the speech she had written. The guests rate her negatively, causing her rating to drop to zero. She becomes dangerously upset and security removes her from the area. She is placed in a cell and has the technology supporting the rating system removed from her eyes. Feeling liberated, she gets into an argument with a man, without worrying about being rated.
Organization? You must be joking..
I tell ya Cory Doctrow needs to be given low bows and prognosticator status.
Could this possibly be just a manifestation of the already prevalent concept in many Asian societies of societal reputation/honor? One's honor/reputation already makes quite an impact there, and transgressing social norms often means ostracism and the necessitation of doing things to redeem oneself. I guess I'm sort of rambling here, but this system kind of just seems like a physical manifestation of what was already an uncodified but present aspect of Chinese society and culture. Then again, no-fly lists and the presence of records on minor crimes and financial history, that follow a person around and affect his/her treatment in society, is not really something unique to China.
This plus shutting Neihan Duanzi down and other seemingly small losses of personal freedom might just stir up enough emotion to finally rid China of its oppressive leadership. I've always admired the way many Chinese get around censorship but I can't see how they will beat this personal score tracking system. Not mentioned here is the rating based on what you buy and where you buy it. Buying products made in China is a plus but what if that product is 'immoral' lingerie from Taobao? Or maybe a sex toy? China in revolt would be catastrophic but unless Xi and his cronies loosen things up a bit, that's what looms in the near future.