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Judge Backs Parents, Saying Their 30-Year-Old Son Must Move Out (npr.org)
"Attention geeks living in their parents' basements!" writes PolygamousRanchKid , sharing this story from NPR:
The promise of adventure didn't do it. Neither did the lure of independence, or the weight of his 30 years. Instead, it took a judge to pry Michael Rotondo from his parents' home. The couple won an eviction order against their son, after a judge argued with Rotondo for 30 minutes. "I don't see why they can't just, you know, wait a little bit for me to leave the house," Rotondo told Donald Greenwood, a justice on the Onondaga County Supreme Court...
Christina and Mark Rotondo resorted to legal action after a series of notes to their son (starting on Feb. 2) failed to get him to move out of their home in Camillus, New York, a town west of Syracuse. Those notes followed discussions that began last October. The notes to Michael Rotondo ranged from orders to leave and encouragement to get a job, to offers of more than $1,000 and help in finding a place... The notes escalated into a formally worded notice for Rotondo to leave that set a 30-day deadline -- which lapsed on March 15...
In a legal filing cited by CNYCentral, Rotondo said that in the eight years he has lived at his parents' house, he "has never been expected to contribute to household expenses, or assisted with chores and the maintenance of the premises," and that those conditions are simply part of an informal agreement. When he was in his early 20s, Rotondo briefly lived on his own, but he moved back in with his parents after losing a job...
The case is being seen as an extreme example of a growing trend. As NPR reported in 2016, a Pew study found that, "For the first time in more than 130 years, Americans ages 18-34 are more likely to live with their parents than in any other living situation."
Christina and Mark Rotondo resorted to legal action after a series of notes to their son (starting on Feb. 2) failed to get him to move out of their home in Camillus, New York, a town west of Syracuse. Those notes followed discussions that began last October. The notes to Michael Rotondo ranged from orders to leave and encouragement to get a job, to offers of more than $1,000 and help in finding a place... The notes escalated into a formally worded notice for Rotondo to leave that set a 30-day deadline -- which lapsed on March 15...
In a legal filing cited by CNYCentral, Rotondo said that in the eight years he has lived at his parents' house, he "has never been expected to contribute to household expenses, or assisted with chores and the maintenance of the premises," and that those conditions are simply part of an informal agreement. When he was in his early 20s, Rotondo briefly lived on his own, but he moved back in with his parents after losing a job...
The case is being seen as an extreme example of a growing trend. As NPR reported in 2016, a Pew study found that, "For the first time in more than 130 years, Americans ages 18-34 are more likely to live with their parents than in any other living situation."
How did this even make it into the firehose?
Soooo.... How long have you lived in your momâ(TM)s basement?
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
Rest of world, including europe:
Offspring inherits house, everyone lives together, multi-generational families.
Amerimutts: "GET THE FUCK OUT, SINK OR SWIM!"
Home ownership, along with car ownership, is a meme designed to keep the economy going in the post-WW2 era.
For most of human history families stayed together over the course of the centuries, farming the same land over and over again. Move where? Why? People bred for the purpose of having more hands to help farm the land and someone to take care of them when they were too old and sick for manual labor.
All of the world's problems stem from the fact that human nature hasn't changed while 20th century Western Civilization tried to shoehorn it into what best suited Capitalism.
Parents have been increasingly hovering and micromanaging, being extremely overprotective. Kids are denied the freedom that used to be normal. Mostly because of fears of that ultra rare stranger abduction, or some other low probability tragedy. They think well what's the downside, what if it did happen? Well this is the downside. Adult age children unprepared to deal with real life. Problems like here, and others like anxiety, are increasing in lock step with lockdown of kids. You trade the tiny tiny chance of kidnapping or something for a very good chance of stunted development and mental health issues.
And worse, it's practically required, because busybodies think any kid walking down the street alone is a police matter, and CPS misses kids being beaten and goes after parents who let their kid walk to the park. Support laws like Utah just passed, clarifying that the normal freedom most of us over 35 had isn't neglect.
Sometimes a deadbeat is a deadbeat entirely on his own. This kid graduated college. He's not uneducated, though it seems he hasn't bothered to learn much. His parents may share some of the blame, but sometimes, you have to grow up despite your parents, if you didn't grow up because of them.
Good luck getting votes for that initiative.
When you want to evict somebody for real, you do it legally to begin with dont fuck around. Dont try to serve the notice yourself or any of that bullshit. Or come up with your own arbitrary timeline. The kid was right initially, they cant evict him by typing some letter saying get out in 2 weeks. Thats not how it works people.
Except he doesn't pay rent, this is "evicting" the guy you let sleep in your spare bedroom for a few days but never leaves. Or your girlfriend kicking you out of her house and you go nope we had an "informal agreement" so I live here now until I'm evicted. Freebies end when the person giving it away wants it to end. When the time was up they should have put his things on the street and changed the lock. I doubt he'd have gotten anywhere in court, no consideration = no contract. No contract = you're a guest. Guests leave when they're asked to leave or they get kicked out.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
And you're probably thinking, well that sounds a bit... fascist. Well if you want to make an omelette, you know, but I bet the people whose parents never took them to the ER after ripping their arms out of their sockets when they were a toddler, or to the dentist and the ones who grew up in a household with food anxiety, which could in fact be half of them in some place, might find some sense in it. Because there are a lot of fucking people out there who will tell you that their parents were clearly unqualified to raise them, and if they're lucky those people are not crippled for life both mentally and physically because of it.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I'm a landlord. This isn't a tenant situation. When the 'landlord' is also living in the unit, the other people become lodgers. In many states there are a different set of laws regarding lodgers. Lodgers can be quickly kicked out. Tenants need to go through a sometimes significantly long eviction process. It's not that there isn't a contract, by default people staying under no contract are on a default month-to-month lease, it's that his parents are still living there thus he's a lodger.
If your girlfriend is trying to kick you out of the apartment she's renting, the landlord has to evict you. If it's her house, eviction isn't needed. She basically just needs to state you're trespassing.
...apart from the lawsuit I guess, and with it broader awareness.
Anime watchers and those familiar with modern japanese society will already have heard of the terms: NEET, hikikomori.
But as with many problems in japanese society that often gets picked by international media as some weird thing that must only happen in Japan, this is not by far a japanese exclusive phenomena.
https://think.iafor.org/reclus...
International media often exploit, fetishize, and even mock Japan for having these weird cultural things, often painting a picture as if it was commonplace there when it really isn't... but the truth behind this mocking of foreign countries is that more often than not, these things not only do exist back at home, but often it's worse than in Japan - only it's taboo, overlooked by press, and not selected as a subject for exposure.
So yeah... this guy is probably one of these cases. Surprise, bad stuff that happens in other societies is probably happening in sacred US of A too. And probably, a lawsuit is not the best way to deal with it too. Not that I'm ignoring the tribulation that the parents must've gone through already, but hikikomori are often unstable and should be seeking treatment and re-education, not being booted out of home.
There is a high potential of this being a case of throwing gas into the fire. Optimistic scenario, sure, the guy will leave home, get a job and reform himself. But people in the US really should not ignore the potential of someone mentally unstable becoming enraged with the situation and turning into yet another nightmare scenario that we all know pretty well by now having multiple cases a year. He could take his parents money, buy a gun, a go shoot some people plus himself.
Dear random Internet commenter,
Excellent. The right should blame the left and the left should blame the right. Keep up the good work.
Sincerely,
America's Enemies
It does depend on what state it is but a resident is a resident (in my state). Eviction is the only legal way to get a resident out that refuses to leave. Funny story... a guy lets a friend move in who was homeless. A couple months go by & that friend also has a girlfriend living there. A couple more months go by & this guy comes home from work to find a party going on. Tells everyone that gotta leave, party is over... said girl says "why don't you leave?". He grabs her & shoves her on the front porch & locks her out.
This is where it gets fun... he gets arrested & charged with assault, she gets a personal protection order, he can't go home. He has to file to get both of them evicted from his own home. The bottom line (again at least in my state), be careful as to who you let stay at your home. After a month they are a resident.
SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT
If you decide to bring another life into this world, then fail to raise it not to be a dead beat, or give it the life skills necessary to get and keep a job
Yeah just as well life turns out perfect for everyone and everything is exclusively the fault of the people who raised you.
... did was kick me out when I was 19, 5 months after I was out of high school.
"You're learning a job. I don't care what. Wanna do performing arts? Ok, fine by me, you've got the talent. But you're moving out by end of summer. Get those applications rolling." -My mom, paraphrased.
I was doing performing arts 6 months later, in a big town 300 km away. She drove me there, in her Citroen Charleston De Cheveau. She told me a few years back that she had to pull over and cry for while on the way back, but she knew it was the very best thing to do. ... Smart lady, my mom is.
Best move ever. ... All because I was pushed on to the trail that made me become a grown man. ...
6 months in I felt better than ever before in my life, doing my own thing my own way. These days I'm a man with a grown daughter traveling South America for 9 months flat at the age of 20 and have a SO I love and respect, that fucks like a pornstar.
Love you, Mom.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I think you misread something there sir. Deliberately I presume. :-)
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
The problem isn't that he's overstaying or that they raised him poorly. Pushing the child out of the nest is a transition many families have to go through. You might say he should have learned or they should have taught him earlier, but that's a matter of degree.
The problem is that they have so few skills to resolve the conflict that it reached the courts and media.
Except he doesn't pay rent, this is "evicting" the guy you let sleep in your spare bedroom for a few days but never leaves.
It would've been easier just to state that you're not a lawyer.
My kids wanted to start driving at 15.5 years old. They wanted a car to be independent. Other kids I know valued their iPhone at age 12 and a couple of them didn't even "bother" getting a driver's license until age 20 while they were studying some bullshit degree at college.
Wanna guess which kids will grow up to get a job and want to move out?
Perhaps he would be happier living with Italian parents?
My parents raised all 7 kids to be independent. We were expected to find our own travel methods for sports teams, pay for our college education, get a job ASAP. My mother was a little disappointed when most of us stopped coming home (or calling all the time). She said they raised us to be too independent. OTOH, none of us has needed to be bailed out by our parents from jail or financial issues. We plan for the worst and hope for the best.
When I went off to college, 2 weeks later, they sold their house and moved out to "full-time" travel in an RV. They said, if you don't take it with you, we aren't going to store it.
One of my sisters moved home for a few weeks after college. She was required to pay rent and buy groceries. "First and Last" Dad kept saying to her - a reference to first month and last month rent (for the man-boys here). She moved out ASAP to get away from the house rules.
Which brings up a point, if the house rules aren't restrictive enough, some man-boys won't leave. A few ideas for living at home:
* Rent - you pay.
* Laundry - do your own.
* Food - you provide 2 dinners a week to the family
* House/Toilet cleaning - assigned based on your cleanliness.
* Curfew - 10p nightly
* Overnight visitors - none. If 2 people are in the bedroom, the door is open.
* Phone use - none after 9pm.
* Internet use - none after 9pm. Expect highly restrictive filtering. No porn.
That should be sufficient to get any man-boy to leave.
As fucked up as this sounds, I feel hes onto something here. Its the parents fault for not being a parent and teaching them real world skills. I simply don't understand people that want to live at home with their parents. I moved out when I was 15 for the first time, Ill admit I was a dumbass for that but it gave me the taste of being an adult and realizing that the outside world isn't all gumdrops and unicorn farts like some people would like you to believe. Moved back in a year later to save some money to do it correctly the next time(had to pay rent when I came back, that was the deal for being cut loose early by my dad) However it helped motivate me to GTFO. When i was about 17 I had finally gotten to a point where I was self sufficient, tried again. Everything went well from then on, granted there was a few bad points over the years where I needed help, or to move back in to regroup after some bad decisions. Other than the maybe year or so collectively since, I have been on my own and don't plan to ever look back.
Same in Nevada. Have gone through similar situations, However had it been me, and that happened, the house probably wouldn't be standing anymore. The "Friend" would probably have also no longer been existent. The nerve of some people.
Ah, internet bravado. Anonymously telling somebody off after taking a bluster comment they made literally.
Nicely done.
Why don't you sign up for an account and cut it out with the anonymous sniping?
However conditions for younger adults are much harder today then the past generations in terms of home ownership.
Home ownership has been overpromoted for decades in this country, and the reality of it is finally sinking in (not necessarily for this kid, but for our country in general). We have multiple cable networks that are still effectively acting as marketing outfits for realtors, hyping home ownership as an investment 24x7.
What is finally happening though, now that we again have a reasonably normal real estate market, is that people are finding they are not actually making money on their homes. You spend $20k on a kitchen renovation and then 10 years later you sell your house for $5k more than you paid; losing $15k in the process. On top of that you were paying homeowner's insurance the entire time, paying interest on your mortgage, paying to keep up your lawn, driveway, roof, exterior, interior, etc. People are waking up to the fact that houses are in fact really terrible investments. If you want to save money you're better off renting and putting the difference into even a CD (if you are risk-averse) or a balanced stock market account (if you are more risk-tolerant). But we've been told for so long that a house is a great investment, and a lot of people are stuck with that mindset because it was repeated as gospel.
Even people who are currently retiring and selling homes they lived in for 30+ years (having therefore paid off their mortgages years ago) are finding they aren't getting back as much as they had imagined. They bought for $40k, sold for $220k, which sounds great. Except they actually paid closer to $90k with interest over those 30 years. And they spent at least another $20k over those years on homeowner's insurance. They spent thousands on roofing and carpet, and lawn maintenance. They did their kitchen, bathroom, etc. The actual return looked like $180k but really was much closer to $30k once all this is deducted, which is a pretty lousy ROI for 30+ years.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Parents have to kick their adult children out of the house all the time. Most of them use much more sensible and less costly means. How about...changing the locks on the doors? That's just a couple hundred bucks.
OF COURSE parents should do this sort of thing with plenty of warning, but it's quite effective.
Too many parents these days want to be a "friend" to their children. That's all good, but respect is even more important. If you've taught them respect and hard work, you probably won't have to kick them out in the first place. But if you do have to, you won't have to go to court to make it happen!
Two young men in my own family had to be shown the door at some point. There was no court case. And later, they both thanked their parents.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3k4kaw/the-millennial-who-wouldnt-move-out-of-his-parents-house-is-tragic-actually
As someone who has had to deal with this on a personal basis, I kinda feel sorry for him. BUT, he needs to GET A LIFE.
I had to help with strongly encouraging my parents to kick one of my aunts out of their house, after a few years of her making their life a living nightmare. One of those next-to-useless nebbish people, still a virgin when she died.
One gets the feeling that "this will not end well" because he has obvious mental deficiencies *and* access to weapons. If I were the parents, I'd move privately to another state -- sever all ties and invest in something like ADT and guard dogs. Shake your fist at me from the other side of the moat, boy - you ain't getting back in. Ever.
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== WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
This kid graduated college. He's not uneducated, though it seems he hasn't bothered to learn much.
1. You should never confuse graduating from college with being educated. The two are entirely unrelated.
2. He actually didn't. He has said repeatedly in interviews that he does not have a degree, so unless you know something I don't then it seems that he's both uneducated and not a college graduate.
You can't (normally) evict someone that isn't party to a lease agreement. AFAIK this man-child did not have a lease agreement with his parents - if he did, the parents could have let that agreement lapse, and if he remained in the house called the sheriff to have their son evicted.
Being their child doesn't entitle him to live in their house indefinitely.
Ken
So you say parents, and parents alone bear responsibility for providing for their children the rest of their lives?
Great, so we can dismantle the welfare state and tell everyone to go live with their parents? Sounds great, what could possibly go wrong? /sarcasm
Ken
Sometimes a deadbeat is a deadbeat entirely on his own.
So he gave birth to himself, raised himself, enabled himself? Poppycock. His parents made him, but failed to make him complete. It was their responsibility to raise him, and they failed. If they want to kick him out, they should be billed for any public assistance he receives.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You can't (normally) evict someone that isn't party to a lease agreement.
What? Who told you that? And why did you believe them, after all the other nonsense they almost certainly have told you? Are you just soaking it all up and regurgitating it? You should carefully check over everything that person has ever told you, I assure you that more of it is wrong.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
All the talk about this-generation being so different than that-generation - I don't buy it. For me, it just doesn't pass the smell test. People haven't changed all that much. Yes, there are slight differences. One generation fought in a huge hot war. Another generation lived through a long cold war. This other generation is living at their parents home for a few years longer on average. One generation had the internet and smart phones, another didn't. One generation gets their news and porn on a screen, another has to buy paper-based magazines and newspapers from the local convenience store. Sorry, these are small difference in the big picture.
... their prospects were...... well, they managed to get by but it wasn't great. Most of them wound up in the lower half socioeconomically, although some of these people were success stories and made good by hustling and starting businesses, or marrying into success and money, or just being plain lucky, etc. Occasionally, people would have their circumstances altered drastically by things entirely out of their control - crime, accidents, physical health problems or mental illness. Across the spectrum, nearly everyone felt that they deserved better than their actual circumstances. Nearly everyone complained vocally about their situation and wanted to move up if possible. The underlying biological drive to find a mate and reproduce eventually forced most (but not all) young people to separate physically from their parents and establish independent lives.
Here's the big picture as I see it. Take "the greatest generation"..... 75 years ago, there was a fairly small class of people with good prospects, maybe 20-30% of the population. Some were born into families with money or other advantages. Some were intelligent and hard working enough to get college degrees. Most of these people did fine in the long run, although some did not and sank to the lower rungs of the socioeconomic scale. The other 70-80% of the population
Roll forward a generation. That pretty much describes the baby boomers.
Roll forward another generation. That pretty much describes Gen X.
Roll forward to the Millenials. You get the idea.
Roll forward another 200 years. I'm skeptical that fundamental human existence is going to be all that much different.
Yea, as I said, eviction is the only "legal" way.
SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT
for all their problems and it's typically the previous generations fault.
I am really tired of hearing how hard the current generation has it, how this is unprecedented and how it's everyone elses fault.
As a solid Gen X type, I can assure you the " Silver Spoon " life you think existed for everyone but the Millennial generation is a laughable idea.
Growing up poor ( those rich Baby Boomers right ? :| ), my only route to decent job skills were with the military as college was something only the kids from wealthier* families could afford.
The opposite was also true. If you were REALLY poor, you could get much of your education for free via grants. I know of a few who went this route.
So, I ended up giving the military six years of my life. ( First half of the 90's, you can Google what the US military was doing during that period. Made for some interesting moments. )
The lesson here is I ended up with the skills I needed to land a job ( which turned into a career ) with a decent wage when I got out, though it took me about a year or two of oddball jobs before they started hiring. ( About eight years total post high school before I ended up with a decent paying job. )
You might have to do some things you don't want to for a while before things get better, but understand that every generation has their own unique challenges to overcome.
It's called reality and it is rarely fair. You should probably get used to it because this is how things really are vs what you may have experienced or been told in your childhood.
They can't legally evict him that way but he can no longer claim that they hadn't told him to leave.
It's a sensible first step prior to initiating actual eviction processes.
Who in the world would hire this guy after doing a search on his name?
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
I sit corrected. I heard that he had a degree in business admin, or some such. Guess my source was incorrect.
The loser son is never going to have any money to pay for anything, much less his parents. I am sure they've learned by now not to rely on him for anything except fridge cleaning.
Are you one of those illogical shits who excuse serial killers because their parents didn't raise them right?
Assuming that their parents didn't ritually abuse them into it, no. But equally, someone who can do that absent that kind of stimuli has a broken brain, and we should study them and try to help them so that we can learn to help other people like them before they go off on a murdering tear.
Punishing people is rarely effective as a deterrent to others. Stop them from hurting others, by all means; that can be viewed as a punishment, but we could for example imprison people in facilities that are not rape factories.
I would rather point microscopes than fingers. However, when pointing fingers, make sure to point them at all who share responsibility. A person is like a robot in one way: if you train them to perform an action, that's what they will do. Now the parents are at a loss as to how to correct their mistake, and are throwing up their hands and making it everyone else's responsibility. I can agree only that they created an asshole, not that it's his fault. It's at least equally their fault, and they are avoiding responsibility. And if they only ever provided him a poor example, while rewarding him for following it, then where was he supposed to learn better?
If the bird doesn't leave the nest, maybe you should have taught it to fly.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
If you watch the CNN interview of the kid who lost the lawsuit you'll find he eventually declares himself "a conservative" (when the interviewer pointed out that he is - and behaves like - a millennial. He doesn't seem to have any job qualifications, is self-absorbed, and has a fair bit of anger at the world. That sounds a lot like several people from the Trump Administration. He said his plan for success can't be executed "tomorrow" (for whatever that means to him), maybe he's waiting for a job offer from the white house?
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Nature or nurture. People often argue which dominates but in this case the parents gave him both the genes and the upbringing. I suspect the parents are not quite right to begin with and they didn't give him the life lessons to stand on his own two feet.
I would bet money that anyone who saw them raising this kid knew that screwed up was a probable outcome.
I see this as one of those videos where someone is pulling up a tree stump with a truck plus a rope and the tree-stump breaks free devastating the truck. Same outcome; here we are making fun of the carnage.
No bullshit.
I left home at age 16, which was the age of majority in Canada in the 70's. That also meant you were legally an Adult before the courts, would be sent to an adult prison if you somehow strayed too far, but you couldn't legally sign a contract until you were 18.
I worked a full-time job pumping gas 4~Midnight five days a week (sundays and mondays off) and also attended High School during the day. Minimum wage was $1.10/hour; I made $1.25, which meant I could afford to pay half my income in rent.
Can't own a home, so you live with your parents? You've got to be kidding.
It seems to me that the guy has some mental challenges, CNN was wrong to make this into an attack on a generation and Infowars was wrong to (well, wrong about everything). The family does not deserve to have its problems dredged over by the press and used to for reduction to whatever stereotype they support.
Nullius in verba
It wasn't a couple of weeks notice, and they guy wasn't even paying rent. They gave several notices, hints, and whatnot, and they guy was not still looking for a job (which is different from looking for a job and not finding one).
My guess is that if he was looking for a job then it was for a high paying job suitable for his own self-image. That doesn't fly in family court trying to get custody. Even having the McDonald's job looks better in court than explaining how that perfect job is coming, just give him some time, tell the parents to stop nagging me and be patient, etc.
Untrue. A person should be their own responsibility. The parents certainly can help but they're not required to be fully trained psychologists who can spot these sorts of personality disorders and correct them on their own. the guy had left the house with a job once, the parents did their job just fine there. Sometimes good people end up with bad kids.
Are you also going to blame the schools for not having proper role models, or blame the neighbors for not taking over when they saw any mistakes from the parents? Why not blame the deadbeat?
The parents are not making it everyone else's responsibility, they're just telling this guy to leave their house. Are the parents required to be slaves to this guy forever?
You haven't provided any evidence that the parents are at fault, and there are plenty of news stories about this case if you want to search for such evidence. You're just assuming a-priori that a bad child automatically means bad parents.
I know plenty of kids that got spanked that ended up in jail too :-)
Oh fuck you... This asshole has had 12 years of adulthood to figure out his situation. Maybe he didn't have good parents, maybe he did... But this isn't a story about parents kicking out an 18 year-old.. This sack-of-shit is THIRTY. He's been the master of his own destiny for more than a decade. At some point you have to STOP BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR FAILINGS.
It might be Platonic "for the children."
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
And no know begs the question as to why does this person feels like he needs to stay home? I don’t know the guy but personally I see some sort of psychological problem behind all this. Who wants to live with their parents for ever...
The parents are not making it everyone else's responsibility, they're just telling this guy to leave their house.
What's the difference? They didn't raise him, now they're kicking him out of their home so we can do it.
Are the parents required to be slaves to this guy forever?
I just want them to finish the job. Otherwise, we will be "slaves" to this guy forever.
You haven't provided any evidence that the parents are at fault,
He is the evidence.
You're just assuming a-priori that a bad child automatically means bad parents.
It's their responsibility. I didn't fuck his mom. I didn't bear him. But now they're giving up their responsibility for him and making him everyone else's problem because of their incompetence.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
"Tanguy" is an excellent french funny movie about this subject:
Indeed, the movie forecasts the trial between parents and son that happens in today's story. I recall a very good scene at the court's restrooms where the judge tells the father "you are going to loose. You should hire someone to kick his ass. It will not help your case, but you will feel better.
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You still don't know if they failed to raise him right. Sometimes a kid just turns out wrong no matter what you do.
People who have graduated college are, on average, more educated than those who have not.
Fair enough, they're not entirely unrelated. They're loosely correlated, which is certainly a type of relationship. You still shouldn't confuse graduating from college with being educated.