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Unpaid and Abused: Moderators Speak Out Against Reddit (engadget.com)
In a joint investigation, Engadget and Point spoke to 10 Reddit moderators, and all of them complained that Reddit is systematically failing to tackle the abuse they suffer. Keeping the front page of the internet clean has become a thankless and abusive task, and yet Reddit's administration has repeatedly neglected to respond to moderators who report offenses. From the report: "I've had a few death threats," said Emily, who asked to be referred to by her first name and her Reddit username, lolihull, to prevent the online harassment from spilling over into her real life. [...] "I had three death threats this past month," said abrownn, who moderates r/Futurology, with more than 13 million subscribers, and r/technology, with more than 6 million subscribers. abrownn asked only to be known by their username. All the moderators interviewed confirmed they had received death threats, which they said can take a toll.
[...] It's hard to pin down how many moderators there are: Even the moderators themselves don't know, but most estimate their numbers are into the tens of thousands. Some spend hours each day working for free on the site. Whatever the actual figure, they far outnumber the higher-ranking and paid administrators, whose job it is to respond to the evidence that the moderators collect.
[...] It's hard to pin down how many moderators there are: Even the moderators themselves don't know, but most estimate their numbers are into the tens of thousands. Some spend hours each day working for free on the site. Whatever the actual figure, they far outnumber the higher-ranking and paid administrators, whose job it is to respond to the evidence that the moderators collect.
If you wouldn't say it to their face then don't say it online. What's wrong with people?
I was banned from /r/Futurology.
Fuck them.
(the captcha was "shooting", haha)
SJW anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
.. like 90% of the channels you can tell people of low education and people who are young tend to be moderators. AKA people with lots of free time.
The reason reddit is so popular because it is a confirmation bias wonderland for people who are not very bright and that is most of our species. So reddit is a wonderland of egoboost for the none too bright and uninformed. It's just 100% drama generating machine between the informed, uninformed, young and old and it has to do with the karma and moderation system. Reddit is just one monkey ego war where opinions no matter how dumb are fought and defended by drive by upvoting and downvoting of whatever subgroup is most dominant on the sub unfortunately for our species .
The whole thing thrives off putting people of various ages and education backgrounds together and watching them go at it. It's just a battle royal, to a large extent.
... A great deal more is said than done.
I've been getting death threats since the FIDONET days, and once in a while one of the losers trying to scare me has mentioned where I was living or working at the time in their threat, but not one of them has even showed up to TP my house, let alone try anything dangerous.
If you can't ignore the Internet Tough Guys, then get off the internet, for fuck's sake. If you actually believe that any of them will show up, get a pump-action shotgun: problem solved.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
So many people are willing to do a job for a web site (in this case reddit) and not get paid for it. Suckers.
You can't get a tax write off for your time spent herding assholes on reddit as a moderator. If you have a need to help, volunteer at a library, food bank, or soup kitchen.
Reddit's business model heavily depends on people being so power hungry and loyal that they don't get paid for what is for some a full time job. As time goes on, the power hungry become somewhat insane, until they are deposed or regain their senses.
Vote with your feet, if you don't like the club rules, join or start another club.
Why UNIX?
Couldn't have happened to nicer persons.
Moderators...
They are undermining the capitalist society with their communist activities
either that or they should be classified as voluntary slave laborers .
passphrase === 'executor'
It's the power and control they get from being moderators. Some people deal with this good feeling by becoming politicians. Others become message board moderators. It feels wonderful to slap people you don't like with bans, doubly so when you get to attach a shitty little message to it that the recipient can't reply to. Especially when your life offline is nothing.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
You make me want to erase my post to mod you up.
There is something wrong with people who are moderating 100+ subs. Often they have an agenda/axe to grind and moderate for the sake of power. Some subs are moderated very well but many have mods that are completely missing the point of their being there. Paid shills are rife in some subs where other people are banned for posting unambiguous facts that don't line up with the moderators tastes.
But unless there is a sub for people who spend 150 hours a week on redit moderators need to be cut way back in what they can do. Limit the number of subs any individual can moderate. Have a team who replace moderators who are clearly abusing their power.
And if that team has any spare resources, fight the shills, especially the chemical company shills.
Inhabited by the worst scum the internet has to offer.
It needs to be wiped and the domain suspended
Mate, it's a bipartisan effort. Look at the prison system. Conservative politicians looking to "create jobs" by building more prisons, criminalizing trivial stuff (or keeping it criminalized, ala Jeff Sessions). On the other hand you have people like Bill Clinton expanding the prison system in their own ways. This shit is hardly an exclusively "libtard" problem though.
My experience on reddit: I was banned from /r/the_donald for questioning Trump's allegiance to the Saudis and Israel, and banned from /r/futurology for suggesting "eat the rich" in response to an article that was about rich people shock-collaring guards to keep them under control as they worked to stop poor people from getting to food supplies in a post-apocalyptic world.
Typical evidence that capitalism requires slavery for it to exist.
Reddit is what Usenet was. With a worse interface and images. It also made it impossible to follow a discussion.
And the majority of groups are not interesting to you. So concentrate on the ones thar are, if you can find them.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
You mean like people who moderate Slashdot?
People want to build communities, for companionship and socializing or for free and open debate in a marketplace of ideas. Both of those things require moderation, and for people who get a lot from those communities it's a reasonable trade to make.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
That means that the abuse occurred after the Internet escaped academia, but that makes sense due to ignorance being the main motivation of violence.
Repeat after me:
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will NEVER hurt me.
I got someone to pay me to not mute him in a forum. Also, it got me nude pics from girls and a few friends.
Avantgarde Hebrew science fiction
Than you obviously aren't a person who uses the internet very often. I think this is one of those trial balloons for an increase in AI censorship.
What did you do with the nude pics from friends?
Even if I was paid, receiving a death threat with zero backup from above to deal with it is a good reason to quit.
If I was not even paid, why even wait for backup from above?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Oddly enough, nobody ever threatened to kill me. Not even in jest. And yes, I do moderate a few boards. None of them the size (or toxicity) of Reddit, but ... well, pick and choose your battles well would be my advice here...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The difference is that on Slashdot, all you really do is mod them down. You can still read all the app apps and all the GNAA, not to mention the cosmonaut Golden Girls.
No idea why anyone would, but you can.
The information is still there. That's the difference.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
...never do it for free. Words to live by.
People desiring the power of a moderator that much, have historically rubbed people the wrong way ie. the kid who helps the teacher enforce rules.
I am 100% for worker's rights. However, being that they can leave at any time, with zero penalty (other than, you know, not getting to moderate), I struggle to sympathize here. People who crave the ability to exert power over others to the extent that they will endure death threats, for nothing, have issues of their own. It's kind of unsurprising that they evoke strong emotions from those with an equally strong hatred of being controlled. I mean, wars have been fought for less.
Typical evidence that capitalism requires slavery for it to exist.
Um, these people don't have to do this. They are just dumb.
I'm pretty sure slaves didn't volunteer to pick cotton, dig guano, or anything else slaves have been made to do.
One the abusive nature of Reddit's management is legendary. No surprise the WANNABEES are getting shat upon by the people they fancy as their victims.
Anyway I'll just observe as long as you want to create a bubble of insanity, you better be prepared to take a lot of abuse doing it, or find true believers stupid enough to take the abuse for you. (Reddit's management strategy)
After the second world war they could be found mutely swinging from lamposts.
I've spent a while trying to find ANY attractive feature of Reddit. Maybe someone can give me a hint?
My current theory is that newcomers start out at the bottom of some sort of pit, and they can't actually see what is going on. Looks crazy, but I'm just "playing the game" wrong so I can't get far enough out of the pit to see anything redeeming.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
If you're getting death threats, then maybe you took that little argument a bit to far. A key thing about responsible web usage is knowing how to choose your battles, and when it's best to step back.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
This is the root of why I stick around. Anyone can (and does) say anything here. I am free to read it all and make my own decision on who's an idiot and who I want to talk to.
Well, you must be so obtuse that getting a death threat feels like someone sent you flowers.
Also, I'll kill you for your blissful ignorance ! die die die, you capitalist commie infidel nazi chicken!!
passphare === 'hearing'
It was like the Fapocalypse.
After endless instances of being exposed to terrible moderators on Reddit, over and over for years, I finally got fed up, and decided it was payback time.
I managed to get hold of a subreddit with an inactive moderator, for a topic that I really don't like. But that has its fans. Let's call it: Anime.
The rules are now ridiculous. The fundamental purpose is to post critical statements about Anime. A combination of obscure weasel words with a catch-all "exceptions will be made when deemed in the interest of the sub". Anyone can post anything at all negative about Anime, but posts positive about Anime must be balanced, fair, use reliable sources, fully take into account the argument responded to. And not contradict the fundamental purpose of the sub which is to be critical of Anime.
Bans are liberally handed out for 6 months, but subject to appeal. People are auto-muted until the 6-month date. I haven't had anyone appeal after 6 months yet, but if they do I'll just say their appeal is denied.
Needless to say, there is a steady stream of enraged redditors.
Feelsgoodman
These days when n'erdowells make a death threat, their method of implementation is called SWATing, and no kind of weapon helps here, since they're relying on panicking law enforcement with a fake call.
You know, there still exist some countries, where the police hasn't felt the need to turn themselves into some kind of military branch.
And as long as you're not actively shooting at police, it will never cross their mind to take out their weapons.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
I will kill you in cold blood, I am repulsed by people who never get any death threats.
Also, I'll kill you for your blissful ignorance ! die die die, you capitalist commie infidel nazi chicken!!
Put your labels on the pile back in the corner, I'll ignore later.
Maybe it does help to not take death threats serious. Like, well, pretty much everything else on the internet.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
C'mon, say it like you mean it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
If you're putting in your time day after day FOR FREE and it is having a toll on your mental health just walk away. Holy Shit, if someone worked at a somewhat well-paying job and was subjected to a toxic work environment like this, they would usually start thinking about looking for a new job. WALK AWAY. It's not your responsibility to "save" reddit especially since you're not getting paid for it.
I think this is one of those trial balloons for an increase in AI censorship.
I think it's more of a case that self entitled little shits need to grow up and act like adults instead of throwing hissy fits and sending death threats just because someone else doesn't share their POV.
8. There are no real rules about posting
9. There are no real rules about moderation either - enjoy your ban
Have to jump in here.
> It's the power and control they get from being moderators. Some people deal with this good feeling by becoming politicians.
I know it's all the rage to dump on politicians. But there are so many, many problems with where things are headed.
For example? Can in imagine if you're an *honest* politician? And one that just wants to solve a few problems, wants to generally 'fix' something they see broken? Not in it for the power, or money, but honestly just want to make things better.
Sure it's somewhat selfish in the end, because they want to make it better for their family, their friends, their community. But that's the sort of selfish we want!
So you have a TV interview. Or, say something on twitter. Welp. Everything is completely distorted out of context, quotes are taken and slapped together with other quotes, the list goes on. If you tell the truth? It will be distorted, taken out of context, and if you discuss something for an hour? They'll take a 4 second quote and slap it on the air.
Things I remember a Prime Minster I *didn't even like*, but couldn't believe he was being harassed for:
- he wore a sweater, and was mocked because it looked a little off
- he shook his son's hand one day, when he left for school -- everyone called him a cold, calculating bastard because he didn't hug his son (I didn't want hugs from my dad when 10!)
- his hair was too neat (boy, he sure must use a lot of hair spray!!)
- his smile is a little funny, he must be a psycho
I could list a 100 of these. What. The. Fuck.
How about people actually commenting on policy?
But no you become a politician, and every single aspect of your life is examined. People think death threats on the internet are bad? Well I wonder what sort of vile crap gets thrown your way, if you're a politician? I'm sure death threats would almost be preferable to some comments sent via no-return address letters, or phone calls, or whatever.
Yet, let's say you put up with all that. The threats, the vile spew coming out of people's mouths, the criticism for the smallest things, and hell -- even being criticized for doing what you said you'd do in campaign speeches?
Well, you put up with all that -- and you STILL get no-where often with the things you WANT to genuinely help with.
And then everyone dumps on you. Again. Because the opposition and sometimes even your own party works against you.
I don't know. I'd have to say that being an honest, open, caring politician is the worst job on the planet.
And this is what disturbs me. Because all day long, every day, I see little cracks like the one you made about politicians. I see them regarded as scum. I see what they do equated to a waste of time. I see them assumed as thieves, assholes, pricks -- when people aren't even aware of the person behind the office, nor of what they've done -- good or bad.
If people want things to REALLY turn around, then people need to create an environment where an honest, caring, loving GRANDMOTHER would be happy being a politician.
Why?
Because -- if only scum can stand the job, wtf!
So many people are willing to do a job for a web site (in this case reddit) and not get paid for it. Suckers.
Some of us are volunteer distributors of insults. It's an enjoyable pastime. We get paid by the joy in our hearts of calling silly people silly people. And you are quite a silly people.
I know from personal experience that, for one example, the AlbionOnline (MMO game) subreddit is controlled and operated by employees of Sandbox Interactive, the company that makes and sells the game. They quash any meaningful criticism of the game in the Reddit forums.
So that is an example of heavy bias in a Reddit forum where the mods are quite well paid for their effort.
The moderators have three options :
- deal, which they don't want to
- change, or attempt to change
- leave
As they're unpaid moderators - for what, in my *entirely* subjective opinion, are sub reddits that won't be changing the world or anyone's life - they need to STFU and leave, get on with their lives.
You could argue that Wikipedia has in the small, and large, changed access to *information* for the better. I have a hard time seeing that for reddit. I for one, like Slashdot mods, as it does a decent job of eventually surfacing insightful posts. Do the reddit moderators allow multiple voices like Slashdot?
I got someone to pay me to not mute him in a forum. Also, it got me nude pics from girls and a few friends.
So that's why the TLAs are hording all the porn.
Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
There are people who threaten mods, there are mods who abuse their power, and luckily there are also quite a few people with a sense of humor, e.g. see comments in https://www.reddit.com/r/video...
I bailed when a mildly technical post I made with regards to fan nozzles for cooling prints in 3D printers generated a lot of insults and animosity. There were plenty of good people asking useful questions, but too many "my dad designed jet engines for Boeing and he said that what you're saying is impossible" childishness and name calling.
I can't help thinking that death threats are probably a tool of the Russian troll factories, trying to target good mods to let shitty mods take control.
Soros and his affiliates pay a large number of the moderators (and posters) on Reddit. Maybe they should ask him for a raise and promise to be even more biased and loyal to his agenda.
I've read the opinion that anyone who wants to be a moderator should never be allowed to be one.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
I have been banned from most front page sureddits over little to nothing. I just walk on, but, I can see where someone would go bananas and take it personally. The mods ban anyone on a drop of any reason.
Seriously, you are choosing to moderate these forums.
And unlike most things we choose to get outraged about, you don't have to do it to eat (since they don't pay you anything).
I get that it sucks and all, but ... you know, just stop doing it?
Reddit mods are pretty narcissistic power mongers, I don't doubt that gets tiresome after a while. I'm sure most of them are just really unhappy with the person they've become not Reddit. Source: I have been banned from 12 sub reddits.
I guess those folks who spend multiple hours working for free don't value their time much. It's one thing to volunteer at the local animal shelter, for example, but what actually does Reddit contribute to society?
I am pretty sure that death threats are a criminal offense, so we should be be prosecuting those individuals. I assume the moderators haven't the time to spend or the knowledge to pursue that, and I am not sure the local police would know what to do. But stopping this kind of behavior would pay probably have a positive payback because it would curb future abuses. Reddit should be helping out with that.
Keeping the front page of the internet clean has become a thankless and abusive task, and yet Reddit's administration has repeatedly neglected to respond to moderators who report offenses.
Umm, then don't do it. If it really is that odious a task and you aren't being paid then feel free to do something else. If you continue to do it then it must not be all that bad. The nice thing about being a volunteer is that you can quite any time without any personal consequences. I assure you that the world will go on if Reddit moderators start quitting.
You know, I always thought, if I was going to go cannibal, I would EXCLUSIVELY eat the rich. They would be the equivelant of those ducks force fed a high quality diet so their livers are extra delicious.
Think about, rich people would taste like all the rich stuff they've been eating, they would be the most seasoned meat on planet earth. A delicacy!
Those unpaid moderators who devote their time are asperg shut-ins who have no commitments beyond picking up their next welfare check. The sputtering, repetitive nature of their own shitbrain is a perfect match with the hypersensitive anime faggot atmosphere of reddit, and thus no remuneration is necessary. The highest reward for these bitchmade autists is a special 16x16 block of pixels that identifies them as a no-life piece of shit who feeds their OCD by playing "moderator" on the Internet, which is likely to be the peak accomplishment of their useless, undesirable existence -- or at least it must seem that way to all the lonely trash that reddit attracts, with years of life to burn typing "LITERALLY" and "THIS" over and over.
A lot of moderators are people who enjoy exercising power against others. That is why they become moderators. That tiny bit of power gives their meaningless lives purpose and joy. Recently I got banned from an energy sub because I replied to someone calling me an idiot. I replied with a citation and called him an idiot back. I was immediately banned for life.
This.
I got booted from a thread, with a nastygram from the mods about 'here's where you send any appeal to your ban'. Sent email asking what post comment had resulted in this ban... got banned from ANY communication on reddit for 30d for 'harrassment'.
It's a cesspool.
These people are doing this for the epeen and (putative) power of being mods. If they don't like the consequences of being head shit-thrower in the shit-thrower zoo, walk the fuck away.
-Styopa
but not for pay.
No thanks.
Plus they expect moderators to be respectful and helpful. I just couldn't commit to those stipulations. They had a code of contact that wouldn't allow a snarky reply on their forums. After helping someone for 3 days, you'd think that telling them to RTFM or use google would be allowed.
Google sent an automatic note after I'd posted 3 questions to a chromebook support forum - which was useless, their support. The person asking the question doesn't get to pick the best answer. What bullshit. I needed to create an SDHC card with the OS loader for my chromebook, but do it from Linux. This is supported, explicitly, but the moderation team saw "linux" and said it wasn't supported. I provided a link to the google.com site where I got the script, but wasn't able to understand that searching for the correct build required using some "code name" for the device. Searching by "Toshiba" didn't work - zero results. After 10 days, I finally discovered that "gandof" was the code name I was supposed to know. More Google bullshit. Every chromebook has a different code name. To reload the OS, you have to know it.
There was a hint that a t-shirt might be available if I did sufficient helping. Oh boy. I didn't choose to join the google support team either, BTW.
I don't really see the complaint here, you know what you are getting when you become a moderator. And even if you didn't you can just stop any time, as noted you are a volunteer and not being paid so why not quit if you cannot take it? There's always someone with more fervor for the job to take over that role.
I moderate a photography board and have received death threats before. So what? You get all kinds of creepy losers on the internet who can say anything.
If you can't handle the worst of the internet you probably should just stop moderating. Just laugh at the poor idiots whose lives suck so badly they send death threats over the internet.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Just walk away.
Many of the major tech sites are built around profiting from user-generated content (and the users themselves). If you volunteer your time to generate content or moderate, you're fueling their business at your expense. The easy solution is to stop posting cat videos, stop moderating someone else's site and limit social media use.
(And, yes, the irony of this comment is that Slashdot is profiting from this user-generated thread).
Why moderate at all if it's so horrible?
Why would anyone who is n00b enough to be bothered by internet threats be deemed mod material?
More likely these people moderate because they like power and dislike the current system because they have to defer to paid overlords. They're probably used to kissing up to the right clique and then becoming boss. It astounds me when I recognize a name from the days of 4chan and 7chan and now see that they're moderators somewhere brand new 10 years later.
They usually claim that it's a special skill and they need experienced people but I have seen little proof of this.
Longtime moderators who can't code. Longtime moderators who defend posting borderline cp content, moderators who throw temper tantrums or have bad attitudes.
Must be a rare breed of man who can follow ban guidelines and delete content that could shut the board down.
Lots of folks sign up to be moderators not really understanding what it means to be one. They don't quite understand that using that power to silence others ( legitimate or otherwise ) comes with drawbacks. . .
You're effectively a human firewall catching and filtering out all the bad shit coming in from the net. The very nature of the job is going to generate a lot of hate for those doing it right.
A quote from Batman sums it up pretty well:
" Come on, Harvey. You're Gotham's D.A. If you're not getting shot at, then you're not doing your job right. "
Interesting that /. user "Dallas May", who said the following only 2 articles prior to this one, is nowhere to be found in the comments of this article.
Dallas May ( 4891515 ) on Monday September 03, 2018 @09:55PM (#57248370)
Facebook, twitter, etc should all (voluntarily) require all users to complete an identity verification process, and then real names should be used as handles.
If you aren't anonymous, then you are far less likely to be a jerk.
Perhaps because this article pokes a big hole in the anti-anonymity argument.
"I've had a few death threats," said Emily, who asked to be referred to by her first name and her Reddit username, lolihull, to prevent the online harassment from spilling over into her real life.
Furthermore, there are plenty of people who are "bad" (ie. full blown criminal) in real life when witnesses (sometimes even police who will strike them down on the spot) and cameras are present and paying attention and accountability is 100%. Those "bad" people don't let a lack of anonymity hold them back, now do they.
It must be so hard to be an agenda-pushing authoritarian when your feel-good solutions to made-up/overblown internet "problems" such as online jerks can be shown to be so much more chilling than said "problems". If only they could look in the mirror and regain some humanity... or at the very least see themselves victim of their own evil ideas and back down before it's too late.
captcha: insight
This is what I have observed: Reddit is class warfare. The unhappy, alienated, lost, etc. have found a site where they can make reality appear as they want it to be, instead of how it is, and have others confirm their bias as positive. It produces truly toxic, badly-behaved users.
Reddit moderators are tasked with enforcing unpopular, biased, and vaguely written rules. For example, if someone gets killed in an article and you reply, "Good job," you are guilty of inciting or glorifying violence. If the moderators do not ban you, their sub gets banned, and all the work they put into it goes out the window.
This is why some have suggested unionizing Reddit moderators. While generally I oppose unions, moderators deserve (1) some compensation and (2) some kind of official appeals process to protect their hard work.
Alternative Right.
I do not share this bleak goal of humanity. I have pleasant and informative conversations across the net, but find that Reddit and Twitter are somehow the least likely to convey that experience.
Something tells me that any site which attracts people looking for power which they should not have, sort of like shouting FIRE! in a theater, will bring out the absolute worst in humanity.
Alternative Right.
That is essential to maintaining the echo chamber.
The point of downvotes is to let the group exclude any troubling reality that peeks into their safe space.
We might consider it the ultimate extension of democracy, where you vote for what you believe will benefit you best at the expense of the group, truth, and civilization.
Alternative Right.
It presages the American political landscape in 2018 where if you are not with Blue Team, you are assumed to be Red Team and that's the end of the story: they will censor you, exclude you, defame you, and try to get you fired from your job, depending on level of dissent.
The problem with Reddit is the users. Having seen them transplanted to other sites where they immediately begin calling for censorship and violence, I think it is something inherent to that group which makes them so hair-trigger and doctrinaire.
This might explain why they are so quick to make death threats.
Alternative Right.
Came to say the same thing. I say all sorts of wild shit online, and I don't believe anyone has ever actually threatened to kill me. People have (hilariously) threatened to beat me up. But not kill me. Sometimes people say shit like KYS but that's not a threat. Real death threats should be taken seriously I say.
All of these ring true. The people who get selected mods at Reddit are those who do not offend the hive mind. I like the "alternate reality" description. The worst part is that, in a community with that many toxic users, if you do not start out as a censor, being a mod for a few weeks will do it to you.
Alternative Right.
You mean, the Right is not actually censored with double-standards and a dogmatic admin team?
Alternative Right.
This might not be a helpful mentality outside of those sharing those same problems.
Alternative Right.
How much of this is people defining "death threats" extremely loosely?
e.g. I was once accused of making a "death threat" by requesting that somebody take a long walk off of a short pier. The problem is, there was absolutely no THREAT involved. I never said that I was going to make them do it, but merely saying that I think they should do so.
Sort of like "school shootings" which are often highly mischaracterized (a drug deal gone bad half a block away from a school is often called a "school shooting" nowadays), as demonstrated by the recent NPR report.
Once a cesspool, always a cesspool. Sometimes the cesspool even gets deeper; just look at /..
You your family and friends are going to dye.
It's easy to assume that everyone in meatspace is going to play nice, but reddit puts psychopaths in unaccountable positions of power over what millions of people can think.
Guess what? Not all of us are OK with that. If you put many kinds of people in the same room, you're going to get a fight. And for some of us, that includes reddit mods.
GENERATION 26: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation.
For example? Can in imagine if you're an *honest* politician? And one that just wants to solve a few problems, wants to generally 'fix' something they see broken? Not in it for the power, or money, but honestly just want to make things better.
Yes. I can imagine. I think most politicians are trying to do good. Most even, are trying to do good for people other than themselves. Even those nutjobs that want women to be second class citizens, to ban contraceptives, to ban alchohol, to ban rock'n'roll, and to put scripture into the lawbooks. They just want to do good because they see a bunch of stuff that's broken, and they want to fix it. Unfortunetely, their definition of "broken" doesn't quite line up with mine, and their ideas about how to fix it is absolute nightmare fuel and I disagree with them on the best way forward. Hardly any of them are actually EVIL.
GRANDMOTHER would be happy being a politician.
That's a weird bit of ageism. But anyway, we tried that. Hilary is a grandmother. So was Margaret Thatcher.
You overall argument is that we should be kind to politicians. While I agree that the personal attacks are pointless (distracting even), we should MOST ASSUREDLY give politicians a hard time and be skeptical as hell of anything they're pushing. Even if society at large kept all commentary to the issues (pft, good luck with that), then it would still be a stressful job and rightly so. Because we should definitely NOT trust these people.
But go on, give me a couple of names of "open, honest, caring" politicians. I imagine they exist, but I doubt they're in any place of power.
I too, have read Hitchhiker's Guide.
and that makes all the difference.
All moderator abuse that I've encountered seems to be motivated by the dictionary definition of bigotry: intolerance of other points of view. They extend this intolerance even to supporting information.
It's censorship, pure and simple. It is the enemy of free and open discussion.
I get death threats almost every time I post anything on 4chan and they also call me a faggot. We need to do something about this as a society.
If you're a moderator voluntarily, then you can quit voluntarily. Nobody is making you work. Last I checked, these moderators aren't chained to their desks and forced to work for Reddit.
Wrong,
Comments do get erased here on slashdot by your moderators/overseers/...
passphrase === 'southern'
Well, it seems like the original comment got removed.
Since it was written as A/C
guess who did the removing.
it's clear you're free to say what you want, as long as you stick to the company directive.
welcome the the fascist anti fascist states of turderica, you arrogant ignorant geek.
also, thanks for quoting. at least some of it remains.
Whoops
I've observed the opposite, that the moderators rarely ban even blatant rule violators. I imagine it varies with the moderator.
Citizens trashed Herr Harper over his sweater because of his government's scrofulous policies and behaviour. Shame he and his cronies didn't allow meaningful input where it mattered.
It got you a few friends, and nude pics from girls? Or it got you nude pics from girls, and nude pics from a few friends?
Maybe they should be in this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskRe...
Pass a law saying that if you can prove someone made a death threat against you, you can have a contract put out on them without penalty - think of it as preemptive self defense. I think it would put an end to this death threat horseshit really fast.
That is all.
How many reddit moderators does it take to change a lightbulb?
"I'M LOCKING THIS THREAD BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE BITCH T.T"
Redditors need to learn they don't own their subs, or even their accounts. They only license them. When you look at things like r/subredditcancer or r/lgbt or r/creepypms you see that a lot of redditors will justify, endorse, condone, and even perform abusive actions. One mod on r/creepypms was actually defending an OP who committed extortion against someone who sent a dick pic, saying "OP IS NOT ON TRIAL HERE!".
I'll kill you! (Cross that one off your bucket list!)
The other key point is the size of the community. If you have 30 users, odds are you won't have any room for nutjobs who make threats. 3000 users, you might have a problem with one or two users. Start talking about 30 million users, and there's thousands of bad actors. Is it a toxic place because those people exist, or is it a statistical certainty come to life?
I'll kill you!
Maturity is a two way street. By one count, sure, these people are being asinine by sending death threats. By another, paying attention to the same petulant children and letting them get under your skin is something most of us grew out of in grade school.
HA! you are talking about stephen harper the conservative canada ex prime minister.
the point you are trying to make is going nowhere with this example...
Media did comment about his policy, but it was so bad everyone was ashamed of him:
here is the guy in a nutshell:
-got canada out of UN security council
-disregarded the environnement (billions into alberta tar sand)
-climate change denier
-pro capital punishment / harsher prison sentence
-anti gay
-anti abortion
-anti immigrant.
-threathened internet with new laws (got rejected)
-Yes man for the US
probably more that I don't remember.
to be faire he did reduce the canada debt a bit. He was probably less corrupt than the liberal before and after him but you can see at what price.
So, they request and apply to be moderators knowing that it's a volunteer position and is not a thing that is paid and has never been paid....then they whine and complain that they do it without getting paid. Logic...if they don't like it or don't want to put time aside in their lives to do it, JUST DON'T DO IT! A simple solution to a simple problem. Who'da guessed right?
90% of everything is crap.