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New Yorkers Sue Trump and FEMA To Stop Presidential Alert (cnet.com)
Not everyone is pleased to hear that President Trump has the power to use communications systems in case of an emergency. According to CNET, three New York residents recently filed a lawsuit against President Trump and William Long, administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to halt FEMA's new Presidential Alert messaging system.
The lawsuit reads in part: "Plaintiffs are American citizens who do not wish to receive text messages, or messages of any kind, on any topic or subject, from defendant Trump. [Trump's] rise to power was facilitated by weaponized disinformation that he broadcast into the public information sphere via Twitter in addition to traditional mass media." From the report: Presidential Alerts are similar to Amber or other emergency alerts on your phone -- you hear a loud noise comes along with vibration. The messages come from the Integrated Public Alert and Warning System (IPAWS), which attempts to send the alert to every cell phone within the U.S. operating on a network run by a carrier opting into the Wireless Emergency Alert system. IPAWS is used in the event of natural disasters, acts of terrorism or other disasters or threats to public safety. The plaintiffs' main complaint is that Presidential Alerts are compulsory -- there's no way to opt-out of receiving them. They argue that under civil rights law, government cannot use cellular devices to compel listening, "trespass into and hijack" devices without a warrant or individual consent.
The plaintiffs are also concerned Trump might use the alerts to spread disinformation because IPAWS doesn't regulate the content of the messages. That means Trump may be free to define "act of terrorism" and "threat to public safety," and may broadcast "arbitrary, biased, irrational" messages to "hundreds of millions of people," the plaintiffs say in the lawsuit.
The lawsuit reads in part: "Plaintiffs are American citizens who do not wish to receive text messages, or messages of any kind, on any topic or subject, from defendant Trump. [Trump's] rise to power was facilitated by weaponized disinformation that he broadcast into the public information sphere via Twitter in addition to traditional mass media." From the report: Presidential Alerts are similar to Amber or other emergency alerts on your phone -- you hear a loud noise comes along with vibration. The messages come from the Integrated Public Alert and Warning System (IPAWS), which attempts to send the alert to every cell phone within the U.S. operating on a network run by a carrier opting into the Wireless Emergency Alert system. IPAWS is used in the event of natural disasters, acts of terrorism or other disasters or threats to public safety. The plaintiffs' main complaint is that Presidential Alerts are compulsory -- there's no way to opt-out of receiving them. They argue that under civil rights law, government cannot use cellular devices to compel listening, "trespass into and hijack" devices without a warrant or individual consent.
The plaintiffs are also concerned Trump might use the alerts to spread disinformation because IPAWS doesn't regulate the content of the messages. That means Trump may be free to define "act of terrorism" and "threat to public safety," and may broadcast "arbitrary, biased, irrational" messages to "hundreds of millions of people," the plaintiffs say in the lawsuit.
...and I consider this pretty gay. This is Bush/Obama level stuff.
You can sue someone for something they could do but havenâ(TM)t?
how clueless, President Barack Obama signed the Integrated Public Alert and Warning System Modernization Act of 2015.
And the messages are from FEMA.
Beside this fools in major media outlets are embarrassing themselves with their ignorance, spewing about "Trump's messages"
...because it is idiotic, and could apply to EAS, or EBS before it, delivered via any medium, including radio and TV, or even warning sirens.
https://nypost.com/2018/10/03/...
One of the chief purposes and reasons for being for EAS (and EBS) is for the President to get a message directly to the American people in the event of a major national emergency.
It's a system that is desperately needed, and was expanded to include Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEA) via the IPAWS legislation signed into law by President Obama.
And though we hope the system is never used, it does need to be tested.
https://slate.com/technology/2...
Your evidence is that you have Trump derangement syndrome? Holy Christ, millennials get crazier every day.
The plaintiffs are also concerned Trump might use the alerts to spread disinformation because IPAWS doesn't regulate the content of the messages. That means Trump may be free to define "act of terrorism" and "threat to public safety," and may broadcast "arbitrary, biased, irrational" messages to "hundreds of millions of people," the plaintiffs say in the lawsuit.
I think the plaintiffs should have to present some evidence why they believe it is likely the President would abuse this forum to broadcast "arbitrary, biased, irrational" messages.
To what individual tendency they'd even reference?
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... connecting safety alerts to the president.
We have safety alerts here built into our cell network. They're not even slightly controversial. If you're in some area and there's signs that a volcano near you is about to go off or there's a jökulhlaup or something, evacuation notices are issued to all phones in the area. And that's a great thing. I mean, why wouldn't you want that?
But in the US you've connected your safety alerts to a political office (the presidency), whose occupant at least a third of the country will always strongly dislike - and the intensity of dislike is particularly strong with the current president. And he's famous for messaging rants. So you've sullied what should be an obvious "well of course everyone supports this" thing into one that people are suing to stop.
"Close the door! What, were you born in a barn?" -- Police chief, "Jesus Christ Supercop"
The messages are free, so there are no damages.
I want to know why alerts don't go into a history like text messages. Personally I think they should just go into the normal SMS history.
When I clear an alert to make the phone be quiet I lose the ability to see the alert. That's some of the dumbest planning I've seen.
I refuse to sign
...you guys are still butt hurt over the 2016 election.
But really, you don't want FEMA messages because they "come from Trump"? You know this system was authorized by President Obama, right?
-Styopa
Yeah, no shit. I recall this being set up during the Obama Administration, and I also remember how badly it failed due to problems integrating it into the larger national alert system.
What a bunch of losers
Honestly I would view Trump's abuse of the system more funny than concerning. It would be hilarious to watch the desperation ("FAKE NEWS! TOTAL WITCH HUNT!") when the inevitable indictments drop. Granted, we can always do this on Twitter.
Just because something was signed into law by Obama, doesn't mean it can't be found unconstitutional. Sounds like Russian Bots and anonymous incels have infected slashdot. You can tell by the high ID numbers.
I'm sure giving the president the ability to unilaterally deploy nuclear weapons seemed like a good idea at the time, too.
Is it a rhard requirement to have TDS in order to live kn NYC ?
The original bill that created this national FEMA alert was passed in 2006. Bush then signed a bill that modified it in 2008. The original test was scheduled to happen during the hurricane Florence. So it was moved to today. Just another opportunity to smear Trump.
Anyone? Anyone? The F?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
This is so butthurt, stupid, and such a waste of effort and thought. It's perfect for the millennial snowflake crowd. It let's them signal virtue with no effort, and while accomplishing nothing at all of value.
In fact it's basically:
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
> [Trump's] rise to power was facilitated by weaponized disinformation that he broadcast into the public information sphere via Twitter in addition to traditional mass media.
This is rich considering the objectively lopsided reporting by the media who did their best to elect Hillary. You can't complain about Russian trolls when you have the power of mass media and tech companies behind you.
Amazingly they still don't understand why Trump won. The fact is, Hillary was an awful candidate, and no propping her up by the powerful elites was going to change that.
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Look, I hate Trump probably as much as anyone. But this lawsuit is dumb.
It's just an emergency alert. The weather service can issue weather alerts, emergency services can issue alerts for wildfires and earthquakes and such. They're an obvious public good - informing the public of imminent dangers to life and limb.
Could it be abused? In theory, yeah. Not quite sure how you'd do it in practice - it's not like there's a special console in the Oval Office that controls it, any message has to pass through lines of people before it goes out, any one of which would be required to refuse it. I'd be more worried about some FEMA staffer accidentally running something in prod instead of test and spamming the country than the Tangerine Toddler using it as an unblockable twitter.
More to the point, if you're worried that the President is likely to abuse a top-level emergency warning system to shovel propaganda at an unwilling public... the solution is not "don't let the president do that", it's "don't let that person be president". Such an untrustworthy person should not have been elected in the first place, and such a breach of public trust is cause for immediate removal from office, whether by impeachment or 25A or any other means necessary.
After all, we trust the president with nukes. If we can't trust someone with an emergency broadcast system, how the hell can we trust them with thermonuclear weapons?
But anti-Trump tears nourish me.
Sure, but now Trump abuses it.
Grow the fuck up. It's the Presidential Alert system, and only for the brief moment is The Trumenfuhrer occupying that seat. Someone else will be President soon enough and we can all luxuriate again in alerts about how many billions of dollars we're shipping in the middle of the night to terrorist supporters.
This sounds like something he would pull. Anyway this is all becoming too much. I dont really like trump anymore, but the plaintiffs have a major infestation of the TDS germ going on. That TDS is some bad shit.
Trump commands zero such trust, you fucking idiot Iggy.
They do on my phone (Galaxy). Maybe you just have a cappy phone.
Come on people, grow the fuck up.
I believe this is what they call chutzpah.
I truly believe this is a frivolous lawsuit. Yeah.... it might be abused. But that isn't a good reason to not have the alert system.
If I were a judge I'd tell them to come back after its been mis-used at least once. Then offer injunctive relief... not before.
And when it was signed into law under Obama, I think I remember the Republican-leaning part of the population being equally outraged at it.
This "we must be outraged *just* because Trump was named in describing the thing" feels just as bad as "we must be outraged *just* because Obama was named in describing the thing" from a few years ago. The only thing that's changed is who is being outraged.
(Sure, this administration may be saying/doing a lot of things there's a real non-partisan reason to be outraged at, but this isn't one of them.)
The presidential alert didn't hit my cell phone.
Of course, it isn't a smartphone. My good old-fashioned dumbphone meets all my needs, without the BS that comes with smartphones.
It was a simple text message from the number 4370. I'm hoping Trump uses this. He should say something like "Liberals XD". Imagine the tears, those glorious tears. Mmmmm nomnomnom
Don't like it? Don't use it. Speak with your wallet.
This was no more invasive than the Amber alert for kidnapped children. I've gotten those at 4:30 AM, talk about invasive. I don't remember any lawsuits being filed on them.
This comes from sour losers who don't like the President. If in fact a catastrophic event occurs and the President was not allowed to use the system, those same sons of bitches will whine "Why didn't the administration warn us?". Making speculation that the President will use the system to send irrational/biased messages is just plain stupid!!! He gets to say whatever he wants on his own twitter account but he will definitely be removed from office if he uses it to further his agenda.
By running a test. Maybe Obama should have had you droned.
I know this will make something like 40% of eligible voters' heads explode, but I don't want automated phone messages from either Democratic or Republican administrations. FUCK YOU, FEDS!
I want in on that lawsuit. Fucking nazi
- Vincit qui patitur.
It goes into the history on my Windows Phone :D
Now I'm curious what brand phone you have. Sounds poorly designed.
Freaked the shit out of people for a few seconds. Thousands of phones went off at once in a very busy airport, a few people sought cover/shelter.
Now I expect regular Tweets but not via Twitter...
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They are buried to be sure, but on my Android Pixel 2 running 9.0 Pie I can find them here:
Apps & Notifications -> Emergency Alerts -> Emergency alert history
A) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hawaii_false_missile_alert
B) Many government sites and DNC have been hacked previously, so I dont get warm fuzzies from FEMA being able to stop hacks.
C) The system could be used to spread disinformation at a time when we really are at danger.
D) The system is already obsolete. Small events make worldwide news in minutes, what possibly could the president say, that we wouldnt already know?
Sounds some lawyers found a bunch of idiots to help pay for their summer homes. Seriously, use that money towards something that improves this country rather than wasting it on trying to prohibit a test of an emergency notification system.
Of course they do ...
And these are the folks who think they are smarter than us dumb flyover hicks.
No, but seriously, they can't sue Obama to get it stopped because... he's not POTUS, Trump won, he's President so things like this whomever is the president is gonna be named, damn, if y'all are that stupid how did you manage to win?
If things don't go Trump's want he likely will start an uprising against the United States.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
This shall become a textbook example of Trump Derangement Syndrome. This shows what people who have lost all context on reality do when they get access to the legal system.
Typical NY, so tired of Dems and Republicans, both want to be the only corrupt organization and take offense when ones tries to outdo the other in underhanded antics.
After seeing how the test was carried out, I find that the issue I have with the alerts is that they are causing phones to screech quite loudly in a staggered fashion. I was in the middle of a conference call at work, and some of the attendees are outside of the US, so they had NO idea what this sound was that kept interrupting the meeting. One person's phone would start going nuts, then another's, and another's. The total interruption to the meeting was over a period of about 10 minutes.
Since I had heard about the test in advance, I turned off my phone (something I rarely do) shortly before the scheduled time, and kept it off for about 30 minutes to be sure. And I just kept hearing everyone's phones in the office going off at different times.
Yes, I understand that the carriers can't ensure that these alerts are received at exactly the same time. Yes, I understand that there may be a legitimate need for them, and in an emergency, it can be critical. But the implementation leaves much to be desired. It doesn't need to be as disruptive as it is; it doesn't need to be as obnoxious as they are. People are already addicted enough to their phones; in an age where everyone has them glued to their hand, where we scarcely pass a few minutes without checking them, it is not necessary nor desirable to have a mandatory alert wailing at full volume, because people already devote a lot of attention to their phones. The hearing or visually impaired have ways of using their devices. The way these alerts are designed is a relic of a bygone era, without consideration for the way we use technology now.
'nuff said.
Yeah, no shit. I recall this being set up during the Obama Administration, and I also remember how badly it failed due to problems integrating it into the larger national alert system.
The presidential alert system isn't the problem. The president is the problem. Still, I recall once upon a time playing text based games called multi user dungeons (mud). In one someone may be blocking you from talking to them, but that person may then talk to you, since no such block exists in that direction. At that point you could just type "reply" and then your message.
It would be nice if it were possible for millions of Americans to simultaneously tell Trump what we really thought of him in a way he had to listen to.
I find him to be well, as Kieth Olberman used to say, the worst person in the world. Of course there are certainly people worse on an actual types of evil basis, but they have less authority and power. If you count the total corruption and evil that has spread since his election I'd tend to think he is certainly in the top ten, and personally as a person seeing his country's morals flushed down the toilet ironically in the name of morals, well yep I'd give him the award.
People talk about cult leaders like koresh and such, but he is small time compared to Don the Con. Hell he just convinced a small group. This fuckwit has convinced a large chunk of the country that all news that doesn't support him is lies. If that is not the sign of a cult leader I don't know what is and people need to wake the fuck up.
I don't want to get Amber alerts on my phone either, but tough shit, that's part of living here.
I would be totally onboard with this if they added a Reply button and now that I think about it, a Reply to All button would be even better.
The Federal government won't let me buy a cellphone that doesn't work with this system, didn't you read the lawsuit?
Yet my religion opposes the dogma of the federal government forcing me to believe disasters are not the will of God. So why can't I opt out? Am I less than the people who don't want Birth control forced on them by government hands?
Why are you discriminating?
??? Testing a new system before it is needed is pretty standard. Not sure Iâ(TM)d call it abuse..., Dems on a hair trigger and disgusted before they even know why theyâ(TM)re upset.
(FFFFFFuck -- Squi stuttered and Bart and fellow drunken rapists followed suit as an in-thing)
So they want to opt-out of the one message about the inbound nuke?
Anyone pursuing this is eligible for the Darwin award.
Trump controls them, ironically, by triggering all their emotions to trump logic.
Sad and funny, at the same time.
Well they haven't made Windows Phones in quite a while so...
"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked."; ~ Donald J. Trump
It's sad that people even give a flying fuck about this message. Oh, test message. Not an Amber Alert, no hurricane or earthquake.
The EAS has messages at least once a week on your favorite radio station. No one gets outraged. Same principal.
The electronic trespass rubric seems like a sham to me. If there were a tornado coming through, you'd want to know. A national emergency like some fool N Korean lobbing stuff at the USA, yeah, a real one (not the stupid fake one of recent memory) is important.
Gonna be earthquake? Sunspots of biblical magnitude (just before most transistors get clobbered) would be nice. I'd break out the candles.
Of many things to give a crap about, this is not one of them.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
That humans have run their course, time to give the dinosaurs another chance...
For the last point at least, he could say it's a test. Which he did. And judging by the poutrage, literal millions of drooling retards were in shock despite weeks of warning.
Welcome to America's two party system that supposedly doesn't really exist, but is pushed constantly by the two parties and has resulted in a government of "less evil" politicians...
The only difference between our political system and a one party system is that ours always has someone to blame and fight.
And the same outraged people would be outraged again if some disaster stuck and they weren't notified.
"Why didn't the government warn us?? WHYYYY!?"
"PRESIDENTIAL ALERT: Democrats are saying not nice things about me. Fake news. Sad."
Maybe he fears Twitter will cut him off and he's lining up his plan B.
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And when it was signed into law under Obama, I think I remember the Republican-leaning part of the population being equally outraged at it.
Really? I don't remember any outrage about it at all. It was an extension/upgrade to the existing EAS system and back then people understood that a notification system was a Good Thing. Of course there were people who don't want to get any messages they don't want, like the presidential alert, and are unhappy that there is no way to turn them off. (I am one of those.) It's hardly "outrage" at "Obama" or "Trump" to feel that way. I feel the same way about useless Amber alerts, and even the Everbridge calls that our local Sheriff's office sometimes send out.
The only thing that's changed is who is being outraged.
No. There were no lawsuits from morons who wanted to predict all kinds of nonsense about how it would be misused when it was created. This is a lawsuit that is many years too late, because nothing has changed about the system itself. It's only who is now authorized to send the message, and that message is not coming straight from the cellphone of the President, it's coming through FEMA.
This lawsuit nonsense is a whole 'nother level of derangement. No, Trump is not going to declare a national emergency just so he can trigger a national alert. It just ain't gonna happen.
Exactly.
These days, half the people are raging that it's sun-up, while the others wondered why couldn't night time be longer.
If there was a concerted effort to make everyone touchy MFers, it worked.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
The idea is older than that. The extension of EAS to cell phones was publicly announced in 2009 (prior to Obama) - http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs... but the actual order to FCC was given in 2006.
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Why let yourselves be conned over and over. Just Start Doing The Correct Action (karma).
I powered down and removed battery about 20 minutes before, and left my phones powered off for more than an hour. Nothing showed up.
My only regret was not having a record of what it was so that I could write an app to auto cancel or block it in the future.
Dying in a flash flood to own the GOP means we don't have to deal with your dumb ass anymore.
This group of people want to avoid "arbitrary, biased, irrational" messages by filing an arbitrary, biased, irrational lawsuit.
They tested the Presidential Alert on my carrier today.
I pulled out the battery. It's still out. It will stay out if I don't need my phone. Or until the suit succeeds.
It's just a reaction. Like yours.
After reading this site for over 20 years, do slashdotters ever think beyond mechanical systems?
Yes, it was enabled years ago...but how many times was it used before now? Zero.
I happened to get three Tornado warnings yesterday, then three flash flood warnings last night. Today I got two "test" presidential warnings.
If there was a way to opt out of the presidential ones, I would. Turns out the tornado was about 10 miles from here, the floods didn't happen here, and the president is millions of miles away in la-la land.
That's right. They are not the same. Few people had Obama Derangement Syndrome compared to tens of millions with TDS. But this madness is not over, it needs to play out further. It's going to be a neurotic society's Primal Scream.
Sue to keep it OFF until trump is replaced by a democrat in 2024.
>"The electronic trespass rubric seems like a sham to me. If there were a tornado coming through, you'd want to know"
Indeed. Too bad every one of those tornado alerts I got were hundreds of miles away from me and always at some insane time, and with an EXTREMELY loud and frightening alarm. And so I turned that portion off. Don't even get me started about "amber alerts"...
And yet we are not "allowed" to turn off "Presidential Alerts"
The real issue here is one of principle. I don't think the government- ANY BRANCH OR ANY ONE in the government should have the "right" to force message me on my personal mobile phone. I think they have clear cause to put such a system together. And it should be tested. I even think it is a good idea to have it "enabled" by default. But *I*, as the owner of the device, should have the right to turn off that alert on *MY* phone if I so choose. That is the enraging part. For me (and I suppose many others) it has nothing to do with stupid politics. It is about freedom and the right to control my own devices. And yes, I would leave such an alert enabled.
It's not a new system, they're just butthurt that it works.
You might want to use an analogy that actually mirrors the complaint. With a radio station, you must tune your radio to the station. They also typically test at the same time. When the alert comes up ir is about to come up on the station, you can change the channel.
A more aot analogy would be someone screaming at your door for what is an obvious exaggeration or outright lie. If you're not home (your phone is off network or off), the person sits there until you're back.
Then they scream the message at you. Doesn't matter if it's 4am, you have no choice.
The complainers trusted the previous guy standing at their door not to yell without just cause and with honesty. They do not trust the guy who replaced him.
How can you be sure? He's known for doing or saying whatever just to get what he wants.
Do they really think that Trump rose to power by disinformation? There are plenty of people out there who hate the left and love Trump. Like me. In fact I had to go on a business trip to California a few months ago. I wore my MAGA hat and Trump shirt while there. I got dirty looks. In my home town (educated, middle upper class white, mostly university and science/engineering folks) I get thumbs ups on my Trump gear.
It's silly to assume that because one feels a certain way about a topic that all people do.
Or make sure you run a compatible android device you can root, install LineageOS on, go and check the box to disable emergency alerts. It may be frowned upon by the government, but this way *YOU* had the choice to recieve or not recieve them, and you didn't have to go whine in a way that makes us all look bad to do it.
Seriously, I'm pretty fucking liberal in my views, but this past election has convinced me the entire country has some pretty serious mental illness going on at this point, the kind of stuff we haven't seen since a certain country around 80-90 years ago...
Although I truly and sincerely desire you to have control over your devices and your privacy, you and I do not.
Could the alerts be tighter? Sure. I get Amber alerts from 200mi away. I shrug. You should, too.
You are mightily deceived if you don't understand privacy, LBS tracking, and the sins of the telcos. This is truly chump change compared to the flapping pile of data dirt already stored on you, and I. Living in a crazy world is a grey scale of death by a thousand cuts. This is just one cut. Save the cries for the really deep ones.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
I don't trust the current guy, but this is just a tiny dick move among dick moves that are clearly gargantuan. It's a matter of penises. He wants to have a big one, and now, he thinks he does, especially when people complain loudly and severely.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
So we get a message at 2 AM that Russia is sending nukes. Won't that be wonderful. That way we can be wide awake when we are vaporized. Seriously what good is it to have a nationwide alert? A local alert that a dam is about to burst might save lives but a nationwide alert will be next to useless. For example, if the mega volcano under Yellowstone decides to erupt There might be a few survivors in S. Florida and Nova Scotia so exactly what good is it to tell the nation that they are about to die?
And it wasn't a problem in that naive age when we could still held the innocent belief that all Presidents could at least be expected to be Presidential in their behavior.
I'm all for allowing the government to issue alerts but forced commandeering of personal property to do so is disturbingly un-american and ripe for abuse/misuse. Just look at the misuse of the Amber alert system, the incident in Hawaii, etc. At a bare minimum there should be a phone setting to ignore the alert.
At this point, if Trump got on my cell phone and told me a tornado was coming, I wouldn't bother seeking shelter. I'd show at the shelter and there'd be a huge TRUMP sign on it. Membership would be 150k, whites only. Plus, there wouldn't actually be a tornado coming.
I was glad the the test message was innocuous and professional. I just don't believe that Trump has the capacity to restrain himself from abusing it.
Donald Trump did NOT dream up this alert system!
A Whole raft of things like this started to be formulated 17 years ago in response to 9-11. This one is not (formally) that old (Obama signed it) but the idea that the nation needed to workout a nationwide cellphone based alert system to inform the public during national emergencies (like 9-11 when ALL air traffic in the entire nation were suddenly grounded) to inform the public in extraordinary situations was discussed. Back in the early years of the Cold War, there was an alert system that was created to use radio and TV, but now almost everybody uses cell phones and many do not even use TV, so an update was clearly needed.
Contrary to the garbage swirling in some "progressive" circles today, Trump is not doing this to prepare to eliminate the congress and courts and take the nation into fascist dictatorship. Put the foil hats away. There are no death camps with rows of crematory ovens, and there are no freight trains loaded with gays and mexicans and women seeking abortions headed to such camps - Trump is not, in fact, a modern Hitler.
I used to find it amusing that some people are this insane, but it's getting old and just plane annoying - these people are not even creative enough to be interesting at this point.
i think thats a problem with the device manufacturer. Once the content is delivered to the device, its the device that caches your notifications for review. Aparently they didnt think this type needed to be cached. I agree with you, but I am not sure there is much the feds can do. Not every device that is designed to recieve this actually has the feature you are talking about. Believe it or not but there are still a few 'dumb' phones still in ciculation.
'Nuff said.
You must be a fucking complete dipshit, because the only thing that they did with it so far is a test. You idiot. Fool. Moron. Fuck, the worst thing about Trump is that that he managed to turn otherwise rational Liberals into retarded lunatics. You fucking stupid piece of shit.
You dislike trump because your masters told you to. You call him a fascist, while you support violence to squelch the speech of others. You call him a racist while favoring some groups over others. You say you want to help the poor, but give little yourself. You think women tell the truth all the time, and men always lie, and don't see how that is sexist. The list could go on, but you are the problem. Not the guy who revived the economy instead of cheering the slow death of the place you live.
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
I am not a lawyer, but there is something called a "declaratory judgement". You could think of a declaratory judgement as being about something that could happen but hasn't yet.
Wikipedia:
A declaratory judgment, also called a declaration, is the legal determination of a court that resolves legal uncertainty for the litigants. It is a form of legally binding preventive adjudication by which a party involved in an actual or possible legal matter can ask a court to conclusively rule on and affirm the rights, duties, or obligations of one or more parties in a civil dispute...
I'm your neighbour, and for years I've been yelling at you about how your driveway goes over my land, and that I'm going to sue you one of these days sonny boy see if I don't. You think I'm full of crap and would have no case. Now you want to do an expensive paving job on your driveway. The scenario you fear is: you pay lots of money for the job, then I get annoyed and actually get around to suing, and to your surprise I win, and you have to tear up the expensive job and have it redone. If you could be guaranteed I'd sue you in the near future, it would be fine: you'd fight the case, and at the end you'd know exactly what you could or could not do. But I'll probably never sue, so you face the prospect of never paving your driveway.
The declaratory judgement allows you to force this case into court, even though you are not the putatively wronged party. You ask the court to make a declaratory judgement that your driveway is not on my land, and then the court finds either for you or for me, and either way you have clarity.
So rather than waiting for Trump to use the text alert and then sue him for inappropriate use, you might seek a declaratory judgement as to what an appropriate use is. As mentioned above, I am not a lawyer, so I don't know whether this falls within the stuff you can get a declaratory judgement over.
Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.
sure you can, it's called "cancelling service".
As an interesting side note, in theory the message that comes through could be something like:
Due to state of emergency, 24 hour curfew in effect. Troops ordered to shoot on sight, shoot to kill.
Or:
Nuke inbound to . LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.
Still don't want the alert?
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It would be nice if it were possible for millions of Americans to simultaneously tell Trump what we really thought of him in a way he had to listen to.
Trump and all your neighbors know how hate-filled you and your fellow travelers are. Don't care. You, on the other hand, have no idea how many Trump supporters you're surrounded by, because you leftists will vandalize cars and houses with Trump signs on them. You'll physically attack people wearing MAGA hats. You'll disown family members for daring to disagree with you about anything. You politicize everything. You can't leave well enough alone.
So the rest of us folks- the normal ones- let you rant on about how terrible Trump and everything else is. We smile gently, say nothing.... and then go pull the lever for Trump and Trump-aligned politicians in the voting booth. Oh yeah, and we don't let our 15 year-old daughters cat about in alcohol-fueled prep school parties, where they're in waaaaayyyy over their head, where they'll be used up and passed around, and then used in a depraved spectacle 37 years later. (Kavanaugh wasn't there but Ford is one damaged woman.)
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
Your memory isn't the only thing that matters, and some of us remember the numerous birther lawsuits, the endless haranging that Obama was going to FEMA camp us into martial law, and all sorts of other nonsense which you were and are conspicuously silent about, but somehow expect the country to be "patriotic" and not badmouth the CURRENT occupant of the White House as he shoots his mouth off.
You're all a funny bunch of nuts jobs to the rest of the world. You're as entertaining as your President, so keep it up, the worlds needs to laugh more even if it's at your expense.
sure you can, it's called "cancelling service".
As an interesting side note, in theory the message that comes through could be something like: Due to state of emergency, 24 hour curfew in effect. Troops ordered to shoot on sight, shoot to kill.
Or: Nuke inbound to . LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.
Still don't want the alert?
Martial law would require advanced notice through multiple channels and media. There would be ample time to prepare accordingly.
On the other hand, an inbound nuclear warhead means you're gonna die immediately or some time in the next few days. Presuming you have 30 minutes advanced warning (it's more likely to be 5-10) you might have just enough time to get limber and kiss your ass goodbye.
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Considering the virulency of liberal pathogen, the first message from this system should be a announcement that 2018 midterm elections are going to experience a red landslide.
It would be nice if it were possible for millions of Americans to simultaneously tell Trump what we really thought of him in a way he had to listen to.
I believe the word you were looking for is "election" and people used it for that purpose in November 2016...
That's right. They are not the same. Few people had Obama Derangement Syndrome compared to tens of millions with TDS. But this madness is not over, it needs to play out further. It's going to be a neurotic society's Primal Scream.
Can we stop with the "Trump Derangement Syndrome"?
It's propaganda intended to dismiss the legitimate opinions about an elected official.
Trump is by all measures a terrible steward of the economy, the environment, diplomatic relations, the truth, etc. etc. It makes sense people are furious about his executive actions which to date amount to grift, corruption, dishonesty, and cronyism.
People upset about Trump's executive actions are not necessarily deranged. They're responding as one should to someone who wields executive power against the principles of the office to which they've been elected.
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You can opt out of Amber and other alerts. But not this one. That's a difference.
Your ad here. Ask me how!
you remember no such thing, this was the very first test of the system.
The older system put in place in Bush administration was for radio.
Can we stop with the Trump derangement syndrome? He's literally Hitler, hates minorities, eats Mexican babies for breakfast and worships a Putin idol. What's wrong with these legitimate claims?
At least this test didn't wake me up in the middle of the night like most of the Amber alerts.
The odd part was that right after that, the oil refinery across the street from where I work tested their alert sirens. But that was just a coincidence - they do that every month on the first Wednesday.
>"This is truly chump change compared to the flapping pile of data dirt already stored on you, and I. Living in a crazy world is a grey scale of death by a thousand cuts. This is just one cut. Save the cries for the really deep ones."
I am very, very aware of how much spying and data collection is going on. Way before people like Snowden started raising eyebrows. Indeed this is just a small cut... but I tend to stand against all the cuts; they all hurt, and they are all additive. But don't think my ire is reserved for something just this small; I have plenty enough to go around. Although small, it is so visible, widespread, and so blatant an example of the nanny state, it is annoying enough to hold up as a good example of how individuals are continuously losing control to the state.
Trump is by all measures a terrible steward of the economy, the environment, diplomatic relations, the truth, etc. etc. It makes sense people are furious about his executive actions which to date amount to grift, corruption, dishonesty, and cronyism.
I didn't vote for Trump and don't really like the man but you should get out more. I know many people that used to dislike him and now have nothing but good things to say about him. I'm not even going to say they are correct but I know people who voted against him in the primaries and even people who voted for Bernie in the primaries that now love him. They think the economy is doing great and they love everything he is doing.
>sure you can, it's called "cancelling service".
And which mobile phone service can a citizen switch to that gives them the choice to turn off that alert?
>"Nuke inbound to . LEAVE IMMEDIATELY. Still don't want the alert?"
Did you read what I wrote? I will quote the last line for you:
"And yes, I would leave such an alert enabled."
But to play the devil's advocate, anyway.... there is nothing one could do that would make any difference in such a situation. And in your first example, it is silly to think one would have NO OTHER way of hearing about or discovering really important news, even if one did decide to turn off such a phone alert.
The sheer amount of folks that are on this site, and that proudly proclaim they disable the amber alerts on their phones, is DISGUSTING!!!!
To think that having a lawyer entitles them to impose their will on the citizenry. Typical progressive folly.
I say let him. When people are woken up at 3AM with a message from FEMA reading "CROOKED HILLARY BENGAZGATE ROBERT MUHLER IS FIRED" , the straight up outrage that'd cause against him would be worth the price of the interuption alone.
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
"The president is the problem."
"[Trump is] the worst person in the world."
And why should we listen to anything you have to say? You make your bias clear and plain as day. I don't like Trump either, but you don't argue against this system by saying "trump is a big poo poo head".
https://www.wired.com/story/pr... for the details.
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The part you are talking about million sending a message to trump is called elections and you next chance is in 2020.
Until then, you'll have to cope with the butthurt.
Regardless who is sendding the message, it is useless. If Bernie Sanders would e president, it would have been as stupid.
He is not, so be pissed at the current POTUS.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Having about 300,000,000 cellphones vibrating altogether can trigger a massive earthquake.
It looks like that was added in 8.1
Android 8.1 feature spotlight: Emergency alerts get a history list and reorganized settings
And I just finally got updated to 8.0.0.
I do not live in NY but... can I join this?
It's about trump USING it. The rules about the president's removal of personal financial ties were done before trump showed that relying on the good nature of the person taking the job and the honesty of the party he belongs to DO NOT WORK. So the law, not saying what the president can and cannot do with the alerts was done before trump showed that it was necessary to do so so they have to sue to make the change to the law.
But the right don't care and the left are busy trying to push any right winger on their side to capture right wing votes.
Please try to keep you emotion and partisanship off of /.
It really wouldn't.
Most of us are tired of your maningless twitter campaigns against Trump. We really don't care what you have to say and your bullying won't change how we vote.
Keith Olberman probably has time with little children to hide like the rest of the "liberals" who attack Trump. They guy is a complete psycho, put in place by GQ to rattle the cages of degenerated like yourself.
The rest of your language is ignorant, deluded and infantile, as to be expected.
Is there anything Trump has done that you think is good? If you can't name anything, then you have Trump derangement syndrome.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
The two party system.
You are the very definition of "unhinged" you know. So despite the fact that the President personally isn't sending anything (and now that it's over, you can plainly see that) you apparently don't want him to do the most routine, normal things while in office because you believe whatever it is that lives in that organ you call a brain. Your made up fantasy of who you think Trump is and who you think his supporters are really is reality to you, isn't it?
Absolutely disgusting. If Obama had tested this while President (and he should have) nobody would have said a word.
Absolutely, positively unhinged and unthinking.
Nuclear attacks are survivable. Heck, there is one unfortunate guy who was in Hiroshima when it got bombed, survived, went to Nagasaki and got another one. He died not very long ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
Basically, and I am no expert, a few minutes could give you enough time to go into a bunker which would protect you from the initial explosion and irradiation, and from there, you might be able to plot an escape from the fallout zone.
Psychologists, anthropologists, sociologists, and historians have all agreed that today's post modern American meets all the decadent requirements that dooms one civilization to ruin. Entitled, lazy, and sensitive people have never had history shine well upon them. This breeds lack of ambition and an inability to conquer those things that come in life that are challenging and adverse. They lay down and die and they blank their culture out of existence and become a convoluted account of history.
If you think Donald J. Trump is so unbearable, considering all the things previous administration have done (and considering things we have overcome in history), then we have reached the tipping point to the end of our society and the end of our existence. Countries and cultures who have thicker skin and bigger balls will take our place.
Just naming it a presidential alert is an abuse. It's not a presidential alert, it's a FEMA alert.
A tornado 10 miles away can very well be banging on your door in under 20 minutes.
Is anybody else surprised with the sheer numbers of trump-nuts on slashdot?
Iâ(TM)ve seen this several times before. This is how power is managed in russia (paid bots constantly posting pro-putin propaganda to drown out dialogue), in britain around brexit, and in a few smaller countries (especially balkans). This is one of fundamental new tools of populism to subvert democracy by abusing democratic priciples.
His every move is immediately reported 24Ã--7 by all major media outlets, and in particular on CNN as 'breaking news' by the first fully automated news AI robot aka Wolf Blitzer.
The complexity of life continues to grow with every "good and nice and necessary" addition to our lives that demands attention and interaction and troubleshooting.
E Proelio Veritas.
Since the news and everyone is obsessed with the alert.... what is he trying to pass while everyone's attention is taken? At least that seems to be what usually happens in these cases (eg: passing more tax cuts recently while everyone was focused on Kavanaugh)
I just walked through the break room at work, and CNN was covering "COMEDIANS MOCK PRESIDENTIAL ALERT" and it was just clip after clip and image after image of tweets, posts, stand up, talk shows, etc, making fun of the alert. 5 minutes later I walked through again and they were STILL talking about it. What's so newsworthy about comedians mocking a small event? It's not like someone joked about decapitating Trump again. It's just: "Oh no, an alert noise! We're doing this? This annoying sound again! It's so annoying, EVERYONE LAUGH WITH ME."
It should also deliver some of his finest tweets. 2:30AM message from Trump, stating he loves Mexicans because Taco Salad is delicious.
I recall this being set up during the Obama Administration
What part of "being set up during" didn't you understand? He didn't say it was tested then.
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It's a terrible thing.
So having an emergency system during 9/11 or some other major incident is useless? Got it.
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Did they sue? Equivalence and all, right?
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Maybe we should start calling it Trumprise. Then they'd all just hide under the covers.
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What makes you think advanced notice would be required. Clue: It's not.
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Yea, took reading this for me to find it. I dismissed it because it was loud and annoying, quick scan looking for it after so I can read it didn't yield in any usual place.
You're right they may see it on Twitter or Facebook and get some distorted version. With most meaning stripped out and be too busy writing a rant reply to even kiss their ass goodbye in enough time.
Fundamentalists/Fanatics/Lunatics are the worst, no matter their cause.
This. I only come back to slashdot to see the lunacy you liberals have and oh the imaginations on you people. He worst part is that you guys believe your blatant delusions. It's tucking hilarious.
Why are you so obtuse? Do you really believe the drivel you're shoveling?
Why don't these people say that for the economy?
You are correct! The butt hurt is real. Besides that, the Emergency Broadcast System which keeps testing on radio and TV has NEVER been used in an emergency (not even 9/11).
In light of the current Kavanaugh allegations, which Democrat's say could not possibly be made up, and that all women must be believed even without even the flimsiest of evidence...
We have here Kieth Ellison, the deputy chair of the DNC, former Congressman from Minnesota is also running for Minnesota AG spot. His ex-girlfriend Karen Monahan, a Sierra Club activist and Ellison’s ex-girlfriend, accused the Minnesota Democrat of emotionally and physically abusing her during their relationship.
"Monahan published a November 2017 medical document on Sept. 19 showing she told her doctor about alleged “emotional and physical abuse” and named Ellison as the alleged abuser.
"Ellison did not challenge the document’s authenticity during Friday’s debate but claimed it came “as she was putting together the allegation she made two days before the primary.”
"Ellison’s primary didn’t take place until nine months after Monahan told her doctor about the alleged abuse.
"Ellison also could not guarantee Friday that more accusers won’t come forward, suggesting women may “cook up” allegations because of the “current political environment.”
"The DNC, where Ellison is the deputy chair, originally said on Aug. 14 that it would be “reviewing” the allegations but DNC Chair Tom Perez later deferred to the DFL’s investigation.
I am the only person I know who didn't get this message. I don't have emergency or amber alerts turned off, my phone wasn't off or in airplane mode. I have an iPhone 7+, on AT&T. Wired has a story that tells you what to do if you didn't receive the message: Why Didn't I Get an Emergency Presidential Alert Text?
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
This is one of those lawsuits that should have been dismissed the instant it was filed. There's nothing to litigate! It's an answered political question - the legislature debated the idea and passed a bill that Obama signed. There's no Constitutional question, there's no injury, no nothing. The plaintiffs are asking the court to litigate political bias.
"It would be nice if it were possible for millions of Americans to simultaneously tell Trump what we really thought of him in a way he had to listen to."
Well, there was an election in 2016 where 65M people said they agreed with him enough so that he should be President. There's another coming up in 2020.
"Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won."
This is the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. The alerts are for public safety and not a political tool. They're extremely useful in the event of a disaster. If you lived through disasters like Hurricane Harvey or Hurricane Florence, you'd sing a very different tune.
Then why as a TV station, did I have to submit the results of the test they did twice during the Obama admin?
Indeed. Too bad every one of those tornado alerts I got were hundreds of miles away from me and always at some insane time, and with an EXTREMELY loud and frightening alarm. And so I turned that portion off. Don't even get me started about "amber alerts"...
There is at least some logic to events that occur within a few hundred miles being notified to you. Here's a few off the top of my head although I'm not saying they are good reasons.
1. Tornados can travel over a hundred miles. It's uncommon but it can happen. I don't know how they determine the notification area but I would probably be pretty okay with these alerts if they were doing them based on possible paths for tornados that show no signs of letting up.
2. Most people live within a few hundred miles of where they grew up. You may know people in the affected area that may not get the notification but have a way to notify them.
3. Amber alerts do have a lag time such that an abductee may be over 100 miles away before the amber alert is issued. This is a structural problem for amber alerts. They have to have a vetting process to ensure it's a legitimate risk to the child so that they control the total number of alerts that go out. Too many and people shut them off for being too annoying making them less valuable to help rescue the child. Unfortunately, this typically means that more time passes which increases the max distance the abductor could travel increasing the area which the alert goes out to...
And yet we are not "allowed" to turn off "Presidential Alerts"
The real issue here is one of principle. I don't think the government- ANY BRANCH OR ANY ONE in the government should have the "right" to force message me on my personal mobile phone.
I agree with you on this.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
It's sad that people even give a flying fuck about this message. Oh, test message.
Loud unexpected noise from a device I've told to stay fucking silent? Hell yes I give a fuck.
Guaranteed to piss me off, whoever fucking sent it.
It totally is. What info will yiu write in it? "Terrorist attack in progress"?
Holy shit, talk about screaming fire in literally every movie theater, everywhere, simultaneously.
Look, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. That doesn't mean the clock isn't broken.
Many of the things he does just happen naturally as part of the job (like signing bills he had no part in getting passed) or are positives far outweighed by negatives ("buy American" is great; a trade war with China is not). A lot of his supporters give him credit for things he didn't do (Obama fixed the economy; Trump has simply managed to not break it yet), but I prefer to give credit only where it's due.
In my experience "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is a term used by people who are willfully blind to Trump's subservience to Putin, but I prefer to use it as the President's diagnosis.
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Then you need anger management lessons.
If you're that touchy, try quitting coffee. Something's inherently wrong here. Your phone buzzed once. Did you get your pistol? Throw something? See a professional.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
Well, they can be but it depends on a several factors such as distance, yield and number of hits.
I built a a high end bomb shelter (decontamination showers, weapon lockers, air handling, etc.) when I was a contractor in the 80's. If you're far enough away from a single blast, you can survive the flash burn in almost any building. Even then, the serious problem comes from multiple hits, e.g., a sporadic exchange. Very difficult to deal with that. The fallout is actually the easiest to deal with. The over pressure is the problem from a construction standpoint.
>>Basically, and I am no expert, a few minutes could give you enough time to go into a bunker which would protect you from the initial explosion and irradiation, and from there, you might be able to plot an escape from the fallout zone.
Step 1: Build a serious bunker. Oops, don't have one and your very cooperative neighbors don't either? Screwed, you are..
Peace is easy to achieve, just surrender. Liberty is much harder get/keep.
Not really. The Republican-leaning part of the population pretty much thought it was no big deal, along the lines of Amber and Weather alerts.
Did you get your pistol? Throw something?
No. I got pissed off. A professional isn't going to fucking help with that.
It's possible to get pissed off and show minimal to no signs of this to others. That doesn't mean you're not pissed off, and it sure as fuck doesn't mean some cunt should be allowed to go around pissing you off.
Is there anything Trump has done that you think is good? If you can't name anything, then you have Trump derangement syndrome.
You forgot to account for the most likely explanation there, sport: Or Trump is just a gigantic piece of shit. And given what we know about him, that's the likeliest explanation. Literally everything he has done which has not been harmful has been insufficient. For example, his response to the disaster in PR. Responding to it wasn't bad, but the response was pathetic and should be condemned on that basis.
If you can name one thing that Trump has done that you think is good, you're either a corrupt weasel or a spectacular dumbass.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I have Android 8.0. Every time I get a new alert I can see the old ones... so watch the weather and when it looks like a stormpocalypse is about to happen somewhere, go there, get the alert, and the alert history is revealed.
how clueless, President Barack Obama signed the Integrated Public Alert and Warning System Modernization Act of 2015.
This is a prime example of "never give yourself the power to do something you wouldn't want your political opponents to do."
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Even a national emergency alert system is subject to Trump derangement syndrome. If he does it, it must be a bad thing and all the maniacs who hate him will go ballistic with lawsuits and random howling. If Obama had sent all these people a text message, they would all be drooling and begging for more.
Thank you iggymanz
And, believe it or not, thank you Trump Administration. This is a good system and a great idea. Testing it yearly is an acceptable use of public infrastructure. I was heartened to receive the alert because it proved to me that not every good idea will be disposed of due to partisan bickering.
There is still hope, America. Administrations come and go, and as much as some of us hate them and some of us love them, they cannot kill the country .
I am making the same argument that is being made by cake shops across the nation, by Hobby Lobby, by churches, and more.
If it is good for them, why can I not avail myself of those same laws?
I demand the religious freedom you give others. Let me reject your Trump.
Is there anything Trump has done that you think is not good? If you can't name anything, then you have Trump derangement syndrome.
FTFY. HTH. HAND.
Seriously, you want to consider the real problem? All the deranged Trump defenders who can't even bring themselves to admit that he has done wrong.
That's why people don't like him.
And they do legitimately believe he would abuse the system.
That said, I have never found emergency alerts useful and detest all the tests. So more power to this lawsuit.
Ah, the ambiguous and anonymous "New York residents", we, the people, are to be held hostage by the likes of these. DO they truly exist or are they the products of the fevered imaginations of Never-Trumpers. Only time will tell.
He reliably pisses off lefties. That should count for something.
Nonaggression works!
he said it was a failure. what part of him making up stupid lies don't you understand?
For me... I want to be able to turn off the alert. I don't care that it exists. I just want to be able to disable it. I'd want that no matter who the president was.
On the other hand... when we have a president who seems to drunk tweet on a daily basis (even though he says he doesn't drink), it's even more important to me to be able to turn it off.
Realistically, what could they possibly send that is important to me? Bend over and kiss you a$$ goodbye? At 3AM, I'd rather be left out of that loop.
Next election is 2018 buddy, Vote out all republicans in congress and trump is neutered for good.
1) A couple of random people (who happen to be Democrats) are making a political statement against Trump, in a manner that most people agree is inappropriate.
2) A couple of people are using this as an opportunity to say: "All Democrats suck" (and worse), in a manner that (I hope) most people agree is inappropriate.
Please stop.
PS. I know many people on both sides of the political spectrum and they all love their families and help their neighbors (regardless of affiliation). The divide (among average people) is not so great as you would believe by reading the internet and listening to many news outlets.
Talk to your phone manufacturer. Your phone may vary. They're stored in my message history just fine, and it's a cheapo Galaxy Amp II.
Well, there was an election in 2016 where 65M people said they agreed with him enough so that he should be President. There's another coming up in 2020.
You seem to have trumps vote totals mixed up with hillary's trump only got 62M
Honestly, some of the comments issued by anti-Trumpers are psychotic!
I really dislike Trump. And I am highly critical of his administration. But some people are really hung up on this emergency alert system like it's some kind of huge invasion. You put up with 80% of your mailbox being full of ads, but you get one unblockable test message for an emergency service and you lose your shit?
Maybe you should focus on the real wrongs Trump has done, and not the inane distractions he creates for you. I hope the liberals win back the government, but goddamn they can get stuck on stupid sometimes.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Good luck with that. I'd say half of keyboard warriors will vote (that's being generous) whereas the old people actually get out and vote.
Also outside of cities the liberal echo chamber dissolves pretty quickly and anyone that lives in one should realize they are the minority with their belief system.
It's going to be a feast of liberal tears come election time.
What our message said, they will have to find out in due time.
i wonder how many people like me were so disgusted that i turned off "emergency alerts" (one big switch) on my phone - now when the revolution comes i can just sleep peacefully through it all.
law of unintended consequences. idiot.
What is spectacular is your confirmation of the principle. To illustrate it to you, consider a hypothetical Wife Derangement Principle:
Bob: "Is there anything your wife has done that you think is good? If you can't name anything, then you have Wife derangement syndrome."
Chris: "You forgot to account for the most likely explanation there, sport: my wife is just a gigantic piece of shit. And given what I know about her, that's the likeliest explanation. Literally everything she has done which has not been harmful has been insufficient."
Chris (continuing, agitated): "If you can name one thing that my wife has done that you think is good, you're either evil or a spectacular dumbass."
Would you really think there's any merit to Chris's words, or would you say this guy is blinded with hate? She cannot possibly be that bad or she wouldn't have been part of the society, they wouldn't have gotten married, she wouldn't have any friends and so on.
What is the problem with this now? Looks like more people just don't know what is actually going on or how this came to be.
I'm ok with Trump. Still outraged. My phone. Don't want or need National Alert, or E911, or Google tracking on my private property. Not Chinese, expect a little more freedom and liberty and respect of my private property.
I find it incredible that so many are misinformed about this issue.
As stated, Obama signed this bill in 2016 and the message was sent by FEMA, not Trump.
Perhaps the real issue is that the alert is called a "Presidential Alert", which it was not.
It was a FEMA alert.
FWIW, there is no way to disable the alert on our Android phones.
When I set up my iphone I opted out of emergency alerts. Users can block this -- although they will be blocking all emergency alerts.
We should at least be able to reply with standard key words, same for amber alerts or any massive-push notification:
Useful
notuseful
neutral
moreinfo
imok
ineedhelp
etc
If one didn't know what the message was for, it would have been nice to reply to get more info.
And before you rant that it included 'no action is needed', that is an oxymoron as reading the message already is action. Additionally, if someone doesn't know why it is being tested, they should easily be able to get more info.
I did find it strange and kinda-bothersome that I couldn't use my phone after receiving the message until I pressed 'ok' which was the only option; there was no other method to get past the message popup and use other phone functions.
You got me...standing down.
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Only liberals can come up with some shit this stupid... They should have their case thrown out of court and then be forced to pay fines for wasting time and being ridiculous children. It's called the Integrated Public Alert and Warning System, it predates Trump and has been around as long as most of us have been alive... just as with anything else, it's simply being adapted to utilize modern technologies which allow more immediate spread of information. Incredible that liberals have become so unhinged that a test message of enhanced capabilities of the national emergency alert system can trigger them into hysteria. Honestly, it kinda makes me wish Trump would just start using the IPAWS instead of twitter.
So you do have anger issues. You should really get help before you hurt someone you love. Trust me.
> It's propaganda intended to dismiss the legitimate opinions about an elected official.
Legitimate opinions like blaming Trump for Obama's executive actions and then freaking out about it. Oh please.
Yeah, no shit. I recall this being set up during the Obama Administration, and I also remember how badly it failed due to problems integrating it into the larger national alert system.
The presidential alert system isn't the problem. The president is the problem. Still, I recall once upon a time playing text based games called multi user dungeons (mud). In one someone may be blocking you from talking to them, but that person may then talk to you, since no such block exists in that direction. At that point you could just type "reply" and then your message.
It would be nice if it were possible for millions of Americans to simultaneously tell Trump what we really thought of him in a way he had to listen to.
I find him to be well, as Kieth Olberman used to say, the worst person in the world. Of course there are certainly people worse on an actual types of evil basis, but they have less authority and power. If you count the total corruption and evil that has spread since his election I'd tend to think he is certainly in the top ten, and personally as a person seeing his country's morals flushed down the toilet ironically in the name of morals, well yep I'd give him the award.
People talk about cult leaders like koresh and such, but he is small time compared to Don the Con. Hell he just convinced a small group. This fuckwit has convinced a large chunk of the country that all news that doesn't support him is lies. If that is not the sign of a cult leader I don't know what is and people need to wake the fuck up.
That is your opinion. In my opinion, he is one of our greatest Presidents (excepting perhaps only Washington, Lincoln, and Reagan).
His election was a day I will never forget, and it gave me hope again that liberty will prevail. With everything that he has done, I see that my hope was justified.
If you want to protest him, go ahead, that's your right. Just don't try to stop me from laughing.
I don't know if you Americans consider it "good" or not, but as a Canadian he was able to take quite a bit of ground in the recent USMCA. We were lucky to not have been pushed further, and likely only because he wanted a deal in place in time for the mid-terms. Go read Canadian newpapers - Canada got bent over on a number of fronts, and gained very little ground, to America's benefit. I can only imagine it was the same way for Mexico.
That said, I think TDS is a real phenomenon... I've seen people argue here Trump got tricked by Canada in the USMCA, which is laughable if you've read any of it and know trade history between Canada-US.
they just can't get her out of their mind
FEMA is so far behind with this. Sending texts to phones? Is that seriously the best you have?
In Japan, the equivalent agency can not only send texts to phones, but also can instruct the cable companies to send the messages out via the television network AND if your TV is off, IT WILL TURN ON automatically.
I can just imagine the screeching of people crying about "ZOMBIE TVs"
You guys are so far behind in your Public Alert and Warning System capabilities it really is kinda pathetic.
And when it was signed into law under Obama, I think I remember the Republican-leaning part of the population being equally outraged at it.
As someone generally Republican leaning, not a fan of Obama, who has despised Trump since the 1980s...
I thought it was a useful capability when the Obama administration proposed it. I still think it's a good idea now. No matter who's president.
I do not recall anyone objecting to it when it was an Obama administration thing. Not one person. Ever.
Any citation for "the Republican-leaning part of the population being equally outraged at it"? I'm sure you'll be able to find one idiot. Maybe two. One of them will likely be Alex Jones, but I never listed to that jackass. Anybody mainstream? Even on the outer edges of the mainstream?
Yeah. I thought not.
If your neighbor has one and is not very cooperative, the shelter belongs to whoever gets their first. If you are black this is called looting, but if you are white it is called survivalism/scavenging for resources.
Of course, if someone locks you out of a shelter in a life threatening emergency, you can hardly be blamed for locking them in, parking a car in front of the door, etc.
Keep your guns and canned goods. The canned goods will be fine after the fire.
He reliably pisses off lefties. That should count for something.
There is that.
"There's so much good in the worst of us,
And so much bad in the best of us,
That it ill behooves any of us
To find fault with the rest of us."
Not sure who said that. Opinions on the source vary.
"Not sure who said that. Opinions on the source vary." --Mike Van Pelt
I have sources for my quotes.
the reason from what I can figure out that this upsets so many people, is because of the way that Trump uses other communication methods to make personal attacks against people who disagree with him or point out flaws in his policy or past actions, so they're afraid that he's going to use the Presidential Alerts the same way he uses his twitter account.
> Because none of that applies to the friend who had no traumatic encounter and no knowledge of this Kavanaugh person.
> For her, it was apparently just another party.
Where her friend mysteriously disappeared, despite having to go past her to get to the door and having no way to arrange a ride home?
> That people who are apologists for Kavanaugh are making it out as if Keyser refuted the claim, that she denied aby incident, discredits them, and by extension Kavanaugh.
She doesn't even remember how many people where there, ALL of the named persons disconfirm the story, and the Safeway she made central to her Senate testimony didn't exist until 4 years later according to public records. She has a history of changing her story every time evidence disconfirms it. The door she went to counseling in 2012 to get was built back in 2008. There are giant holes in every single part of the story she does remember, so the fact that your central witness can't remember anything about the alleged assault while Bret can tell you exactly where he was for the entire summer of 1982 simply underscores the fact that this is pure nonsense.
> You, of course, don't see the problem with your own actions.
You stole my words. I get that you don't like him, but to be unable to see through the obvious pattern of lies just makes me feel sorry for you. Are you always this easily manipulated or is it just hate blindness?
I'd settle for acting like an adult
How the fuck is a radio broadcast you've specifically tuned into the same as a message that is forced upon you? No one is forced to listen to radio. And it's probably not right in the middle of the content.
Can we stop with the "Trump Derangement Syndrome"?
I wish we could wish it away, but if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
It's propaganda intended to dismiss the legitimate opinions about an elected official.
Hardly. It's a description of a large number of ridiculous fictions. Like Trump is going to use the IPAWS and WEA system to replace Twitter when he gets banned from that, and he's going to declare national emergencies so he can force everyone in the country to see his comments.
Like so-called medical professionals who diagnose all kinds of mental conditions based on zero contact with the patient, and then claim their statements about his medical condition aren't actually diagnoses for some magical reason only they know.
Like "Orange Hair" and other personal insults as a basis for objecting to his actions.
Full-blown TDS almost always includes a rant about how HRC won some fictional "popular vote" and should be President. Those who protest with the belief that their mob rule should replace rule of law are in full onset TDS.
So, no, TDS does not refer to legitimate opinions or arguments. I am interested to see you admit that he is an elected official, by the way.
People upset about Trump's executive actions are not necessarily deranged.
Of course not, and nobody is saying that just being upset is a sign of TDS. It's what you are upset about, why, and how you express that upset that is a sign of TDS. Another example? Democratic senators who demand even more background investigation into the latest SCOTUS nominee before they'll consider voting for him, and then announce their vote decision before the investigation they demanded is finished and the reports are in. Because it's a Trump nominee.
They're responding as one should to someone who wields executive power against the principles of the office to which they've been elected.
Well, there you go. That's the kind of argument that points to TDS. You're talking about a specific person and not policies in general. You're turning your opinion of the "principles of the office" into a personal attack. Some of us had opinions on the former resident's use of the "principles of the office", like saying if the congress that is empowered to do something doesn't do what he wants, he'll do it on his own. Of course, anyone who tried turning that opinion into a personal attack usually got shouted down with cries of "racist", because of course any personal attack on a person of color is racism, even if it is because he's abusing the "principles of the office" to which he was elected. It's ok when the occupant is Trump, however, because, well, "we" just can't see our way clear to accepting that he won, and the office and the power that goes with it actually are his to use. We'll just demand that he not use any of it because, well, Trump. That's TDS in a nutshell.
No one is forced to have a phone.
The EAS, sometimes known as the Emergency Alert System, has been around since the 1950s, when it was CONELRAD, then the Emergency Broadcast System. It interrupts with a test broadcast randomly, at least once a month. All AM/FM stations in the USA are required to have a working and tested EAS. Now there's IPAWS and WEA.
Alert messaging in broadcasting is probably older than you are. The more unified alerts are recent. I never said they were efficient, but there is long precedent for them. Why people get gnarled over them escapes me. It's much akin to having to listen to a car horn, and sometimes, as meaningful/less.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
Your memory isn't the only thing that matters
Wow. One website posting a link to an engadget story is now "outrage" on an epic scale. The worst thing said there was "So now Barack can track your calls and send you messages, too." (Trump is blamed for any action any executive branch agency takes today; Obama is being blamed for NSA phone activity then.) What an amazing bit of "outrage". I didn't see any mention of filing a lawsuit to stop him, did you forget to include that link?
and some of us remember the numerous birther lawsuits, the endless haranging that Obama was going to FEMA camp us into martial law,
You know, I don't remember how the "birther lawsuits" or FEMA stuff had anything to do with outrage over IPAWS or WEA. Can you elaborate a bit?
and all sorts of other nonsense which you were and are conspicuously silent about,
You don't know what I was silent about 8 years ago, and why would I rage about any of that today? Is your argument on this issue really "you guys did it a little bit to Obama, so we get to do really stupid levels of it to Trump today"? Or the third-grader "you started it, nanner nanner boo boo!"
CURRENT occupant of the White House as he shoots his mouth off.
I'm sorry, but the IPAWS/WEA test was not Trump "shooting his mouth off".
Given that the very few details she claims to remember are clearly false, how are we supposed to believe any part of this story?
The problem I have with you is your apologia for Kavanaugh can't be believed. All your citation of a post-dated letter means is what? That you think a claim produced after a fact is legitimate evidence? That's laughable.
Same goes with all your claims about these witnesses. Contrary to your assertions, none of them have denied the events, what they have denied is knowledge of them. In fact, that woman you claimed "disconfirmed" something wrote a letter to disagree with the misrepresentations that were made about her statements refuting the assault. Funny that too.
Besides, and this may shock you, I know it totally perplexed the guy at Wal-Mart today, I don't care for a single thing Ford said. I care about how Kavanaugh reacted, and I slightly care about how you've reacted in the sense that I enjoy the joke you're making of yourself.
Your inability to understand how memory works, for example, does not serve you well at all. Nor your citing a recent letter. Nor somebody trying to edit Wikipedia. Even your focus on Ford is just bad for you, as there is no trial or lawsuit, it is about being confirmed to the Supreme Court. Anything else? A joke.
So Kavanaugh? Discredited by his own failure to admit his drinking behavior as well as his intemperate response and cries of victimhood. He just lacks the moral fortitude and mental equanimity to be on the Supreme Court.
But if you didn't want to make a tragic joke of yourself, you should know how badly you've handled things.
Maybe next time you'll do better.
Then again, I would have said the same thing to Kavanaugh. Really, the chutzpah to whine over his family being hurt by the burden of a Senate confirmation hearing dredging up some nasty history of his?
That just makes him sound like an idiot who doesn't want the American people to have the truth, no matter who it hurts.
Bad image for a judge. It shows him being hysterical.
As I said, you remain consciously silent about the nonsense from the right(examples of which I have provided), downplaying its rampant nuttery and even as I said, claiming that pointing out the buffoonery of Trump is unpatriotic.
You've had multiple chances to admit your own problems, but you can't bring yourself to do it. It would require you to admit how partisan you are about things.
But what you don't realize is that your holier-than-thou attitude is so obviously hypocritical that it shows your bias clearly.
Especially since we all know Trump would be railing about how Hillary is going to create an emergency to mess up the elections and call for revolution like he did the last time he was misinformed.
He is quite consistent in his hysteria. Remember when he called for the summary execution of five men that turned out to be innocent? Now he's hysterical about another incident.
Moral soundness, not your or his strong suits. Or that Slashdot commenter I remember who was upset that John Kerry, Senator from Massachusetts was at a state of the Union in 2005.
Keep making a joke of yourself.
This was *literally* Obama's idea which FEMA had been working on for a couple of years.
I would be a buck or two they would have said totally different if the idea had come to fruition prior to the 2016 election.
Ferret
Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc
@judoguy:
> Step 1: Build a serious bunker.
post the plans. serious.
> The problem I have with you is your apologia for Kavanaugh can't be believed. All your citation of a post-dated letter means is what? That you think a claim produced after a fact is legitimate evidence? That's laughable.
So do you believe a 2012 note from counseling despite the door happening in 2008? Or maybe you believe Urban Dictionary? Fact is, that's something those people actually know--they would have actually played the game with him. It's not like this "oh, I heard her allegations only *26* years after the fact" nonsense.
> Same goes with all your claims about these witnesses. Contrary to your assertions, none of them have denied the events, what they have denied is knowledge of them. In fact, that woman you claimed "disconfirmed" something wrote a letter to disagree with the misrepresentations that were made about her statements refuting the assault. Funny that too.
Kav & his friend most certainly did directly deny it. You might expect that, but it's interesting that neither one said "oh, we were at the party but it didn't happen" and instead said "there was no party"--something corroborated by Ford's best friend.
> Besides, and this may shock you, I know it totally perplexed the guy at Wal-Mart today, I don't care for a single thing Ford said. I care about how Kavanaugh reacted, and I slightly care about how you've reacted in the sense that I enjoy the joke you're making of yourself.
Actually I get that--the facts never mattered here and you're just trolling me. But here's the shocker: I don't care either. I will still let people know the truth, I can always just pretend I'm talking to the wall. We all know that the most damning allegation against him to most people has always been that he's a Republican.
> Your inability to understand how memory works, for example, does not serve you well at all. Nor your citing a recent letter. Nor somebody trying to edit Wikipedia. Even your focus on Ford is just bad for you, as there is no trial or lawsuit, it is about being confirmed to the Supreme Court. Anything else? A joke.
I do know how memory works--including how unreliable it is and even why it's unreliable. The fact that her memories *changed* and kept changing in response to newly discovered facts that things *couldn't* have happened the way she originally alleged is what shows how she deserves to be charge with perjury.
> So Kavanaugh? Discredited by his own failure to admit his drinking behavior as well as his intemperate response and cries of victimhood. He just lacks the moral fortitude and mental equanimity to be on the Supreme Court.
Obama did cocaine and made President. Tell us another one about how liking beer disqualifies you from higher office, please, it's hilarious. Making death threats against his family isn't a good reason to be upset to you? A crazy person tried to kill Trump & Mattis the other day too by mailing ricin, I wonder if you even heard about that. Yeah, it'd never work (they scan for that), but logic never was your guys' strong suit, was it?
> That just makes him sound like an idiot who doesn't want the American people to have the truth, no matter who it hurts.
Here's some truth that hurts: by the end of the weekend you will be able to call him Associate Justice Kavanaugh. You lose.
Ginsberg is most likely the next one to replace. She's too old to hold on much longer and this nonsense has hurt vulnerable Democrats in the polls. Based on her age, she has roughly a double-digit percentage chance to die each year. If Trump gets a second term, you'll probably be looking at 7-2 splits for a generation.
Where is reality's liberal bias now?
Not everyone. But a disturbingly large number of people...
I tend to rant.
Having to live under a government that you dislike must be terrible. Why didn't you emigrate to Canade like you promised?
It pisses me off that a cunt like you goes around saying cunts like you can't go around pissing you off.
I tend to rant.
Such lip flatulence. Good thing there's not a flame nearby.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
Being pissed off without showing any external signs isn't an anger issue, and isn't going to cause harm to others.
Recognising that you're pissed off is in fact a good thing. Everybody gets pissed off, just that some of us are better at hiding it.
that say "Hi Snowflakes!"
What a contrived example. There is a massive difference between marrying someone, and voters who project their hopes and fears onto a president. Especially a president who CONSTANTLY puts out misinformation.
What is spectacular is your confirmation of the principle. To illustrate it to you, consider a hypothetical Wife Derangement Principle:
Bob: "Is there anything your wife has done that you think is good? If you can't name anything, then you have Wife derangement syndrome."
Chris: "You forgot to account for the most likely explanation there, sport: my wife is just a gigantic piece of shit. And given what I know about her, that's the likeliest explanation. Literally everything she has done which has not been harmful has been insufficient."
Chris (continuing, agitated): "If you can name one thing that my wife has done that you think is good, you're either evil or a spectacular dumbass."
Would you really think there's any merit to Chris's words, or would you say this guy is blinded with hate? She cannot possibly be that bad or she wouldn't have been part of the society, they wouldn't have gotten married, she wouldn't have any friends and so on.
If your wife before getting married convinces you that "only I can marry you", and is lying to you multiple times a day, I would say that yes, that wife would be a gigantic piece of shit.
I have sources too. Several of them.
Alas, they disagree with each other.
and even as I said, claiming that pointing out the buffoonery of Trump is unpatriotic.
I made no such claim. Go harass someone else.
The electronic trespass rubric seems like a sham to me. If there were a tornado coming through, you'd want to know. A national emergency like some fool N Korean lobbing stuff at the USA, yeah, a real one (not the stupid fake one of recent memory) is important.
The story, the lawsuit, and the people are all batshit insane.
That being said, I did feel violated when I received the message. I also felt violated when I received warnings about weather. I didn't buy my phone to allow the government to communicate with me. We could have missiles coming over from Russia or China and I would still feel violated by the alerts. It is *MY* device, not theirs.
TL;DR, got my Note 3 out to use since I can put Lineage OS on it and avoid this crap.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
I feel your pain. But it's a small pain.
Of many things, this is one of the ones not to worry about, IMHO.
I was going to replace my Galaxy Note, but oh well. No rest for the wicked.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
they are no more than disgruntled democrats. Get over yourselves. We all had to put up with this nonsense when Obama and his liberal congress shoved through all kinds of crap legislation (including the mis-named ACA), and the other side could not stop them.
Besides, I didn't get the message on my phone. Oh, well.
> Fact is, those people producing a letter after the fact, means...nothing to the merits of the claim, but your citing such a letter, as if it meant something when it has zero legitimate value,
I know you're just an NPC and all your lines are on repeat. I don't care. The fact is that he can get people who know things to back him and even her best friend doesn't know a damned thing about the alleged incident. This, along with the fact that none of the timelines for the story actually work out--the Safeway she made central to her Senate testimony wasn't even *there* in 1982 and Kavanaugh wasn't in town afterwards--shows how this entire story falls apart.
> LOL, nope, Ford's friend does not corroborate any such denial, she sent a letter expressly rejecting that misrepresentation. And yes, I consider their denial an expected outcome because they don't have the responsibility to admit their drinking parties included conduct that was inappropriate.
I saw that. I also saw how she ended up being pressured into that. The fact that she can't help pin down where & when this happened, even after being "reminded" about it is telling. The biggest thanks has to go to Avenatti, though. When he added on the wild allegations for free media exposure, he really helped to lampshade this. It was hilarious watching him deny being pranked by 4-chan. I wonder if the rumors that he flipped are actually true? I mean, he really does seem like the type of sleaze who only cares about money...
> Go watch the video again, the C-span version is on Youtube. Pay attention to how he doesn't respond to questioned accurately, pay attention to his demeanor and temperament.
I did. He's pissed off that this was a well-prepared lie. This wasn't some random off-the-cuff allegation, this was, in fact, calculated revenge with most of the MSM on board. Though it was amazing to see some "news" departments run stories about this with what appeared to be lawyer-driven rewrites to avoid defamation lawsuits later, given that they kept writing stories about not being able to corroborate anything whatsoever about the story.
This is part of why she'd like to drop the matter now. I'm not convinced they will let her do that, though. Ideally, all the records she refused to hand over will be seized and she will be charged with perjury. It's funny you raise this point, there was a great body language expert reading Ford, pointing out how she was being manipulative.
You don't get to attack someone with a fake hit job like this and then disqualify them for being mad about it. I can see why you would not want a pissed-off judge on the court, but that's a problem of your own making. I'm not going to disqualify everyone you piss off. I will laugh when the same standard is used against you, though. There's some chance they might go after her for perjury. That will be *very* entertaining. I'd love to see them appeal it to the Supreme Court. Justice Thomas could write the majority opinion...
> Now you're trying to bring that up? Man, you really do like to undercut your own arguments for some reason. Here's a hint: They have to deal with it. It's a fact of life.
Let's be clear about the context of this quote: you're excusing death threats here. True threats are one of a very few actual exceptions to free speech. Yes, I realize that it's par for the course against leftists. I saw /r/LateStageCapitalism talking about this as the time to be violent and decrying pacifists in their midst. I saw /r/ChaposTrapHouse talking about "baseball" -- that is, wanting more events like when some unhinged person went to the Congressional Republican's baseball game and tried to murder them.
Thank you for being clear that you will violently murder anyone you disagree with for that crime. It helps make our choices clear. Conversely, I have no intention of hurting anyone that does not first threaten me with violence. And no, I don't mean that BS where words are "vio