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Album Sales Are Dying as Fast as Streaming Services Are Rising (rollingstone.com)

In 2018, Best Buy decided to stop selling CDs, with the change partly brought on by record labels' increasing reluctance to even issue them. Both choices are symptoms as well as causes of a seemingly inevitable trend: Buying music is now going out of style nearly as fast as streaming music is rising. From a report: In 2018, album sales fell 18.2 percent from the previous year and song sales fell 28.8 percent, according to U.S. year-end report figures from data company BuzzAngle, which tracks music consumption. Meanwhile, total on-demand music streams, including both audio and video, shot up 35.4 percent. Audio on-demand streams set a new record high in 2018 of 534.6 billion streams, which is up 42 percent from 2017's 376.9 billion streams.

It's tricky to compare the specific unit numbers of sales to streams --since such a comparison would be pitting continuous playback of a certain piece of music against a one-time purchase of it -- but certain other milestones in the consumption market can help highlight just how much streaming is replacing physical sales and downloads in America. For instance: Even though total song downloads are still in the hundreds of millions, they're coming down in scale at the top. In 2018, there was not a single song that broke 1 million sales -- compared to 14 songs that reached that figure in 2017, 36 in 2016 and 60 in 2015. At the 2 million sales mark, two songs took that trophy in 2017, while five claimed it in 2016 and 16 songs made it in 2015, throwing the modest figures of this year's sales into even sharper relief.

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  1. This is why we can't have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly though I can see some of the appeal. Once Netflix matured I stopped buying as many movies. I'll own the few that I truly love and most others I watch once. Music was different, in fact I still buy CDs or Vinyl of the ones I love the most (granted I rip them and listen to them as MP3). The desire to stream music other than to sample it to see if I like it just isn't there.

    I wonder if streaming is representative of entertainment quality or just the meh consumption attitude?

    1. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I prefer to buy and rip, as no Internet connection is required to play an mp3, and I have full playlist control. And garage sales/used music stores are your best friends price-wise. Sample new stuff on the web and decide if I want to buy the album or track from there when I want something new, radio is unlistenable between the ads and repetitious playlists...

    2. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Got distracted while writing the post and forgot...

      The main advantage to streaming is there are now CDs/Albums/Cassettes/etc. to store and take up physical space....

    3. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      The main disadvantage is that you're renting access to music. You buy it, you rip it, the CD, which is very small, goes into a spindle in the garage. You never pay for it again.

    4. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by Junta · · Score: 2

      Of the internet media (books, video, music), music is the only one where purchased tracks are generally *not* drmed, so I have no particular inclination to buy CDs and rip.

      Video on the other hand, I buy and rip media rather than buying DRM encumbered video files that can go poof at the whim or misfortune of the vendor.

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    5. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Agreed, not an issue for me, but for "you youngins", many don't own homes and have limited space.

      I agree with you, rather own the CD than rent access to a digital stream that can be removed from my access at any time for any reason.

    6. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Got distracted while writing the post and forgot...

      The main advantage to streaming is there are now CDs/Albums/Cassettes/etc. to store and take up physical space....

      I thought the main advantage was that you can disconnect your brain, the noises will just keep going all by themselves.

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    7. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This "story" only tells us that Best Buy's album sales are dying, probably due to limited and/or poor selection.

      On the other hand, Amoeba Records here in Hollywood is always packed full of customers, probably because they have every-fucking-thing in every format.

    8. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      For most people how many of them really care for the physical media.
      As a kid of the 1990's. Most people had a CD Library. But a lot of them basically tossed away their jewel cases. and Put their CD's in a binder.
      There was a disconnect between the normal people who wanted the music, and people who wanted the album, with the art and physical media.
      The record industry was really targeted towards the people who wanted the album, so the majority of the people were paying extra for some plastic, and paper that they would toss away.

      Still today the Record company doesn't really realize that some people may only want the music, and their value add has not value to them. Streaming is a cheap and easy way to go, even with all its flaws. Some people like music, but they don't love all aspects of it.

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    9. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, to hell with that nationwide chain and its enormous dataset - I'm going to go with your sample size of one.

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    10. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      There is a big difference between a store that has a few CDs of whatever the latest corporate pop stuff is, versus a record store that stocks new bands that are not overplayed/overhyped.

      The dedicated record stores here in Austin are going strong. Cassette tape is actually booming, especially in niche genres like dungeon synth where the music is just one part of the entire experience. LPs, with actual room for artwork? Going well. CDs? Doing just fine. Heck, even reel to reel albums are selling.

      Just because Bobby Middle Schooler doesn't bother getting the latest trendy track that his Fortnite buds are playing from a store doesn't mean stores are obsolete.

    11. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by thomn8r · · Score: 1
      many don't own homes and have limited space.

      Doesn't matter if I have a shoebox or a jumbo jet hangar for storage: If I'm paying for music, I want to buy it, not rent it.

    12. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      My NAS box is small. It holds all my music and the disc space has increased over time, faster than the increase in size of my music collection. Several gig used to be big. Now I can keep a copy of it all on each laptop and phone. For what I can't buy as an mp3 download (usually from a Russian mp3 store) I get the CD and rip.

      It doesn't help that my music tastes have drifted away from Western music so American streaming services typically have nothing of interest at all.

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    13. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yeah because there can't be examples of these stores in other cities...oh wait....

    14. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      My opinion too, I was just presenting a reason why a lot of folks don;t buy physical media as much

    15. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You are taking an extremely niche hipster vinyl Mecca and extrapolating that to refute data about larger trends. You may as well use the success of Federal Doughnuts to gauge changes in America's junk food tastes.

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    16. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by Megane · · Score: 1

      My favorite Austin record store is down by Burleson and Montopolis. It's a by-the-pound Goodwill thrift store. Sometimes they get a bit scratched up, but you never know what you'll find!

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    17. Re: This is why we can't have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's the meh attitude. Personally I like my music to work offline so I always store local copies and never stream, other than YouTube sometimes.

    18. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's demonstrating that people aren't abandoning albums, they are abandoning shitty music stores that carry limited selections.

    19. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      No, it's demonstrating that a niche market exists for vinyl. By no means could Best Buy start carrying 100,000 vinyl albums and expect to make any money except in niche markets like LA and San Francisco. You could probably also get away with it in other hipster hubs like Austin and Brooklyn.

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    20. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of what Amoeba sells is not vinyl, but keep arguing. I'm sure you'll eventually stumble across something that you aren't wrong about.

    21. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, Sherlock. You figured out what was clearly stated.

    22. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      How does it feel to go through life so completely ignorant? Probably pretty good. My favorite part is how condescending you are when so blatantly wrong:

      “One of the main reasons we’ve survived is because we’ve been a used store,” says Goldmark. “CDs have been on the decline since the early 2000s. Luckily, vinyl really began to tip. Every high school and college kid has to have a turntable. At least, the alternative ones do, and they’re playing vinyl again.”

      You know where that quote came from? Joe Goldmark, one of the owners of the SF store.

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    23. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I'm paying for music, I want to buy it, not rent it.

      That's because you're old. almost all popular music is fleeting. Why haul around some physical thing your whole life just because it's your "record collection"?

    24. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      My favorite part is how condescending you are when so blatantly wrong:

      Here on the internet it's almost a requirement.

    25. Re:This is why we can't have nice things by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I'm honestly surprised he didn't come back with some crazy cognitive dissonance thing. Perhaps he quietly learned something... maybe there is hope yet.

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  2. Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Album Sales Are Dying as Fast as Streaming Services Are Rising

    I'm not a fan of streaming, but there is almost literally no places left where I can go in and buy CDs just by looking through the stacks and seeing what they have -- which is how I've bought music for the last 15+ years. I'd just go in, wander around, and buy a couple of CDs I found.

    If I can't buy it on CD and rip it myself, I'm not interested. I'm definitely not interested in paying to stream music which is then going to be subject to ads and analytics of my information -- I don't trust the streaming services not to be douchy assholes who share my information and violate my privacy, because at this point you have to assume all online stuff is douchy assholes.

    So, I can't go anywhere to buy CDs, I refuse to stream ... which means I simply no longer buy music, and listen to my already very large collection of MP3s ripped from CDs I've bought.

    I miss actual music stores, but at the end of the day, if they don't want to make CDs, and will only give me digital DRM'd versions of the music or be forced to stream it ... then I simply won't buy their product and will get on with my life.

    The music industry didn't adapt to the modern world, and refused to sell a product in the form people wanted. Now, they're losing out on even more revenue.

    1. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You've heard of Amazon? DRM free digital downloads for purchase? That you can sample on the site? They still do that for virtually every recent (last 10 years +) album you know.

    2. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Amazon sells music downloads on their site. But unlike in the past, where you bought the music and got a downloadable file, now you have to download into an Amazon application on your computer. They want you to keep that file there, and play it in their app, and stay nicely within the Amazon ecosystem. That's when I stopped buying music from Amazon.

      You can still buy music via Apple's iTunes. But if you buy a whole album, say 9 songs, and then delete the 4 songs you don't like, then if you use the handy dandy iOS Music app to play the album, Apple will download the songs you deleted and play them for you -- even if you don't have their damned streaming service, and even if you've turned off all the "download things for me, tee hee" options on the fucking phone.

      The solution to all these morons thinking that my music collection is theirs to fuck with, is either to buy CDs and rip them, use sites like bandcamp that sell you the music and leave you the fuck alone to listen to it, or to just steal it and be done with. Frankly, stealing is the most efficient and painless process.

    3. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have, and 3+ months after its supposed release, I am still waiting to be able to purchase this album and not just stream it.

    4. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But why should I limit myself to just a handful of albums I would buy on Amazon, rather than get a streaming service and access to nearly ALL the albums?

      If that streaming service goes bust no problem, I just move to the next one. There is always going to be some, because the market is HUGE. There is zero chance of losing access to music that way.

      It makes no sense to limit my own selection when for the same moola I can pick from the world's music output, which is why people are moving to streaming. Sorry but you can't put this horse back in the barn.

    5. Re:Circular problem ... by Desler · · Score: 1

      I miss actual music stores, but at the end of the day, if they don't want to make CDs, and will only give me digital DRM'd versions of the music or be forced to stream it ... then I simply won't buy their product and will get on with my life.

      Are you a time traveller from 2006 or earlier? DRM-free music has been a thing for nearly 12 years.

    6. Re: Circular problem ... by AsylumWraith · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, Amazon sells music downloads on their site. But unlike in the past, where you bought the music and got a downloadable file, now you have to download into an Amazon application on your computer. They want you to keep that file there, and play it in their app, and stay nicely within the Amazon ecosystem.

      This is completely incorrect. I regularly buy music from Amazon, and when you go to download it, yes, they do want you to download it into the Amazon Music app, but they also give you the option to download (DRM-free,) MP3s. I always take the second option.

    7. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Amazon sells music downloads on their site. But unlike in the past, where you bought the music and got a downloadable file, now you have to download into an Amazon application on your computer. They want you to keep that file there, and play it in their app, and stay nicely within the Amazon ecosystem.

      You can still download them directly to your computer, I just did so last week. There's a little link to download the .zip file just below the button for the Amazon Music whatever app.

    8. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also just checked again, that app looks straight horrible but you do have the option to download the file directly.

    9. Re: Circular problem ... by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      another example - I generally buy albums on Google Play Store: right after the buy, the album appears in you library on Google Music. There, besides streaming, it can be downloaded...

    10. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you a time traveller from 2006 or earlier?

      In that I remember 2006, sure ... but since I've never given a shit about the digital music offerings the music industry was giving (because I assume they're assholes about it), and I spent from 2002 until last year or so regularly buying and ripping CDs ... I have no idea what they're offering or not.

      My music consumption has purely been buy CD, rip CD, use MP3 as I see fit. Now my music consumption is purely "use MP3 as I see fit".

      As soon as I lost the ability to walk into a store, sift through the CDs, and buy what I found that interested me, I stopped acquiring music and don't listen to it through other means.

      Same thing happened with digital copies of films. Used to be I'd buy the DVD in a store, have a redeem code that I could put into iTunes, and have the movie in a few minutes. Then Ultraviolet came along, and you had to jump through hoops and have an account with the movie studio (last I checked) ... that pretty much killed me having any interest in accessing the digital copy, because I have no intention of giving Disney or any other studio my personal information ... fuck that shit.

      As soon as there is any required interaction with the studios, I'm out. I refuse to directly interact with any of them, and for me Ultraviolet pretty much killed the means of getting a digital copy unless I buy directly from iTunes.

      The digital copy has no value to me if I need to give my information to asshole corporations I otherwise have no direct interactions with, and I've made zero effort to keep tabs on what those corporations are currently offering.

    11. Re:Circular problem ... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      When I went to the mall the other day there was an FYE with racks of new and used music. Barnes and Noble across the street also have a CD section.

      Now, if you mean the selection isn't great, I can't help you with that. Indeed, while selections have been better in the past with more room devoted to CDs and more stores open, I wonder if the current situation isn't hugely better with Amazon.com's selection being wider than you could ever hope to get from a store, and a CD just a download and burn away - if you still need one.

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    12. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and usually once it downloads I move it to the folder where I keep my main music library and copy it to a removable drive.

    13. Re:Circular problem ... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If I can't buy it on CD and rip it myself, I'm not interested.

      Whyever not?

      I'm definitely not interested in paying to stream music

      OK... but why do you want it on CD?

      Amazon have sold DRM free MP3s for years now. You go there click some stuff and get a file.

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    14. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no places left where I can go in and buy CDs

      Try an online used cd store like secondspin.com. I keep a list of artists/albums I'm interested in, and twice a year I run down the list and buy about 20 cds averaging $4 to $5 each. Most are in good condition, ready to archive to flac format. You can even preview most of them before you buy.

    15. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't really help if the publisher doesn't even issue the album on either CD or digital. Didn't know streaming-only was an album business model now. In the case where MP3 downloads aren't available I'm usually able to at least order the CD on Amazon and rip it myself.

    16. Re: Circular problem ... by itsdapead · · Score: 2

      , yes, they do want you to download it into the Amazon Music app, but they also give you the option to download (DRM-free,) MP3s.

      And even if you do use the App, that still saves it as a DRM-free MP3 with sensible names in your "Amazon Music" folder (as well as letting you stream it).

      Then there are more "indy" sites like Bandcamp (that lets you stream the whole album in the browser, and buy a download if you like it) although you won't find the mainstream stuff there...

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    17. Re:Circular problem ... by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      I don't trust the streaming services not to be douchy assholes who share my information and violate my privacy,

      I assume you are talking about services like itunes and spotify. Then don't use them. You can still stream music anonymously from thousands of shoutcast/icecast sites. I use the XiiaLive app on my phone for streams too. There is literally thousands of stations from all over the world. Any kind of music that I want to listen too is here. I just have to look for it. XiiaLive is just one of the apps there are to stream shoutcast. Pick one and explore. Hell, I can even listen to iheartradio dreck if I want too. Iheartradio seems to use icecast with at 48K AAC stream.

      Quite honestly I'm really surprised that more /. people don't use or talk about icecast/shoutcast as being an option.

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    18. Re:Circular problem ... by hawguy · · Score: 1

      My music consumption has purely been buy CD, rip CD, use MP3 as I see fit. Now my music consumption is purely "use MP3 as I see fit". ...

      Same thing happened with digital copies of films. Used to be I'd buy the DVD in a store, have a redeem code that I could put into iTunes, and have the movie in a few minutes.

      I still follow your model for DVD's -- when there's a movie that I want to watch that's not free on streaming, I typically buy a used DVD then rip it to my home media server. I refuse to "buy" digital movies that are tied to a single provider since history has shown that you only "own" that content for as long as that content provider is in business.

      I gave up trying to rip Blurays, I managed to do it but it's too complicated (involving running software in Wine in Linux) so I stick with DVD's, which are good enough for me anyway. For a DVD, I just put it in the drive, and run a simple script that makes a full image of the DVD then rips it into a high and low level of compressed file (I use the low quality one on my mobile devices).

    19. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both Bandcamp and Amazon sell un-DRMed files (and Bandcamp's are even FLACs though Amazon's are only MP3s) and Amazon sells CDs too. But you're right: you can't browse them in a stack form; the ordering is all on computer. But zero proprietary software is needed, a web browser (even without DRM plugins) is all you need.

      The only significant difference between buying CDs and buying FLACs is that FLACs don't come with their own backup medium, so you are in charge of all backups, which should be pretty easy for most Slashdot folks.

      I am pretty sure that everyone who is claiming DRM being a factor is lying (and they know they're lying and are only doing it to deceive people), because I buy all my music and never, ever buy anything with DRM. (I pirate 100% of my video because nobody sells video yet. But music is still really for sale.)

      Brick and mortar CD stores are seriously endangered (I haven't been to one in a few years), but I'm not sure I blame the music industry for that; it really seems to be about lack of sufficient customers and sales to keep the stores open. Amazon's CD selection is actually pretty good, though like every store, they can't possibly have everything you want. But I get a good 70-80% from them, a bit more from Bandcamp, and then a lot of musicians sell directly so you just paypal 'em and they mail you a CD (assuming you don't pick it up from their merch table at a live show).

      The biggest problem with brick and mortar stores is that there has never in history been any such store that truly had a wide selection. Even the biggest and artiest places, while they could be nice and a good place to spend a few hours, still don't have the selection of Amazon. So if you're looking for something specific, stores would never have it unless it was something pretty popular (or else you were lucky, which I'll admit did sometimes happen).

      Odder, some of the online stores have pretty bad selection too. iTunes is infamous for not-having lots of things. How people get by on iTunes along, I can't imagine. It's missing so much. No iTunes-exclusive user is going to be very happy, and last I looked, Spotify (which does use DRM so it has a lot of other problems) has quite a few gaps too.

      Taking in from diverse sources, and combining it into a collection on your own fileserver, is the only reasonable way to go unless you're ok with having lots of limitations.

    20. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! I agree completely. To me, a CD is nothing more than "packaging". When I purchase
      the package, I open it and place the contents on any device I choose to listen to the contents.
      Can you imagine buying a carton of eggs, and being told you have to consume the eggs in
      the purchased carton? Some people are okay with this, maybe; but I like my eggs scrambled,
      or as an omelet, or in any other configuration.

      I also don't like paying for the same egg more than once (which is what streaming services offer).

      CAP === 'channels'

    21. Re:Circular problem ... by Desler · · Score: 1

      In that I remember 2006, sure ... but since I've never given a shit about the digital music offerings the music industry was giving (because I assume they're assholes about it), and I spent from 2002 until last year or so regularly buying and ripping CDs ... I have no idea what they're offering or not.

      So you're essentially stating that you're ranting against something that hasn't been a thing for over a decade. Gotcha. Cool story, gramps.

    22. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/WPCL-12900

      Fustrating to me as well, some titles (not many) are not published outside of Japan (i.e., cdjapan isn't allow to export the
      items from the publisher). But this one looks like it's available as a CD. I've purchased tons from cdjapan, they are a high-quality
      retailer. If you can find enough items to justify the international shipping cost, it's well worth it. DHL, FedEx, and EMS are shipping
      methods I've used in the past and they're all reliable (FedEx is always before 11:00 AM; DHL is sometime that day; and EMS is
      delivered through the local post office (if I remember correctly).) I don't "trust" amazon for Japanese products and cdjapan usually
      has things at the release date or some things can be pre-ordered.

      CAP === 'advocate'

    23. Re: Circular problem ... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Think about what you are trying to do - buy a Japanese MP3 from a US version of Amazon. If you instead search on the Amazon Japan page, you can indeed download the album. This is almost certainly due to copyright restrictions.

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    24. Re: Circular problem ... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      If you buy the album or song, you can download it as an MP3.

      If you get the album or song as part of a subscription (Prime or Music Unlimited), you can only download it in encrypted format which requires an Amazon hardware device for playback or the Amazon app. They try to make the download playable only while your subscription is active. You can play it offline to some extent, but I've had problems with it (if your device connects to *any* WiFi network, it assumes it's an internet connection and decides your subscription is expired when it can't reach the Amazon servers to verify your account is active.

    25. Re: Circular problem ... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Please stop. Music existed before 2008. Not every album is available to sample. It's convenient when they have it, though it's only a snippet.

    26. Re:Circular problem ... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Buying a cd != to paying a monthly fee to streaming service. One day you will figure that out Potsy...

    27. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bandcamp.com offers DRM-free music and you can browse its catalog just like a CD store.

    28. Re:Circular problem ... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      u wot m8?

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    29. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get it from rutracker, pay when publisher make it available.

    30. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One reason I don't like streaming is that it is stealing, as musicians get paid pretty much $0 per stream. The streaming service makes money, but nobody else. I also object to the philosophy of subscriptions. I have enough things I wind up paying per month. I rather just spend $10 on an album, toss the music files into my stash, and call it done. At least I know I'm supporting the artist.

      With 200+ gigs of music capacity, there is no reason I can't just copy music to the phone and play it from there, and it plays regardless of network connectivity.

    31. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I buy a track on Amazon and download it, it goes to my Downloads folder...No BS about any app! Of course I am using Linux (KDE Neon), so a Windows user's experience may be different. Not only do I not like or trust music streaming services, I do not like wasting my capped bandwidth! Why stream music when I can play my own collection of DRM-free (and ad-free) MP3 files? I only occasionally buy music, as there has been very little worthwhile music produced in the last 15-20 years! Last track bought and downloaded? Rock or Bust by AC/DC less than an hour ago.

    32. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup.... Further

      Live DJs, able to choose...
      New Music, by contemporary artists....
      Who are selling direct, to fans without the corporate middle man, using their own websites and selling at the usual outlets.

      I think the issue is changing how you browse for and find new music, not lack of physical CDs.
      Even independent and small labels of today print cds and press records.

    33. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I can't buy it on CD and rip it myself, I'm not interested.

      Whyever not?

      Ownership, plain and simple.

      See, here in Canada, if I own the CD, I am legally allowed to format shift it. It's my property, and some asshole of a media company never gets any say in what I do with it. They don't get to track me, know about me, revoke my license, or anything. It's one and done.

      Amazon have sold DRM free MP3s for years now.

      Hmmm ... how best to articulate this ... you and Amazon can suck my dick, because I do not do business with Amazon. I don't give a flying pile of monkey shit what Amazon is selling, because they're a fucking ad and analytics company I block across the web.

      Fuck Amazon.

      I want to walk into a store, have a transaction between me and that physical store, walk out and be forever done with it.

      The people who want to claim I have a license that exists at their sufferance, they can all fuck off an die. The middle men who want to track the transaction, they can fuck off and die too.

    34. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you, anon.

      I thought the customer was supposed to always be right. But recently, companies seem to scratch their own itches, instead of making what their customers want. I've simply stopped doing many things -- such as buying laptops -- because they're no longer sold the way I'd like. Music, movies - so many things not sold the way I want them - so I don't buy any more. Computer games? Used to buy tonnes. Now, with DRM and online requirements? I don't buy any, anymore.

      I'd love to see a comprehensive article about all the things people have stopped buying because companies won't sell them the way they, the customers, want, anymore.

    35. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This man speaks the truth. I'm going to get it now just for fun

    36. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, if you mean the selection isn't great, I can't help you with that. Indeed, while selections have been better in the past with more room devoted to CDs

      That was a huge part of it. I could literally go through the punk section, or the electronica section, or the world section, or whatever section I found myself in .. and just sift through the stacks and go "hey, this looks interesting and it's on sale".

      I'd discover artists, or labels, or entire genres I didn't know existed, and my music collection grew in weird and strange and awesome ways.

      I wonder if the current situation isn't hugely better with Amazon.com's selection being wider than you could ever hope to get from a store

      I find it works against it, because you have no real starting point -- that and I refuse to be tracked by Amazon to that extent.

      Buying CDs in a really big store is a very different experience. I remember going to Montreal or Toronto and going into HMV stores that were several floors, and some sections would be bigger than the entire store in a mall ... and if I ever got out without dropping $200+ I'd be lucky, because there would be so much I wanted. And I'd have about 6 or so different genres of music since I was that guy buying Dubstep and Punk and a bunch of other stuff.

      A retail store nowadays selling mostly pop music and only a narrow collection of other stuff just isn't the same experience for me.

    37. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have, and 3+ months after its supposed release, I am still waiting to be able to purchase this album and not just stream it.

      I couldn't resist checking that out on YouTube. I find it a bit intriguing, so I'm not being insulting when I say it reminds me of Alvin and the Chipmunks...

      Speaking of YouTube, the whole album you want is there for the taking, just a youtube-dl command away...

    38. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, then they must have added the direct download option at some point after I last purchased an mp3 from them -- which was many years ago. I was unaware of that, because I've never tried to purchase music from Amazon ever again.

    39. Re:Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon have sold DRM free MP3s for years now. You go there click some stuff and get a file.

      I tried that once many years ago. It said I lived in a country where they didn't want my money. So I went and found it elsewhere for free.

    40. Re: Circular problem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, they actually provide zip files now?

      I gave up on Amazon MP3 a few years ago (and went back to buying CDs) because they kept piling on more layers of "cloud player" javascript crap and making it more and more difficult to find the "amz" file that would let you download what you purchased.

      If there's a simple option to download the album as a zip file (what they should have done ten years ago), I might actually go back to using their service.

    41. Re:Circular problem ... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I tried that once many years ago. It said I lived in a country where they didn't want my money. So I went and found it elsewhere for free.

      Oh, well fair enough then.

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  3. Duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    rabble rabble rabble blah blah.. this is a surprise to noone. albums are overpriced and inconvenient. streaming is (relatively) cheap and much more convenient.

    1. Re:Duh. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      much more convenient.

      Convenient for the vendor maybe, not the user. Sure, it may seem more convenient on the surface. One recurring payment for all the music you could want but once you get past the caveats, advertising, info slurping, streaming, data rates and limits, limited selections subject to change at any time, the risk of the service shutting down and many more. Is that really worth saving the bother of ripping your own cds and maintaining your own collection?

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    2. Re:Duh. by hjf · · Score: 2

      Is that really worth saving the bother of ripping your own cds and maintaining your own collection?

      Yes.
      Because I barely have any free time and sure as hell I'm not going to waste int in "ripping my own cds" and "maintaining my own collection". I did that 20 years ago, when i was 15 and had all the time in the world. Now? Not so much.
      But I still have the "skills" to pirate anything I really want and was "taken away" by some suit who decided I'm not elegible to listen to this song anymore.
      And lastly:

      GET REAL.

      A yearly subscription to Spotify gives you access to millions of songs. But only 3 CDs worth of music if you really want to "own" them.

    3. Re:Duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer for the majority of the public is yes. That's why sales are dying out. I used to care about buying, ripping and maintaining a music collection. All of that takes time, which is a more precious commodity these days.

    4. Re:Duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A yearly subscription to Spotify gives you access to millions of songs. But only 3 CDs worth of music if you really want to "own" them.

      THIS is the thing the "CD forever" people don't get about why their antequated medium is dying.

      For the same price as I can buy a few albums, I can stream tens of thousands of albums, more new music than I could listen to in many lifetimes. No way am I going back to the limited selections we had back in the old pre-streaming days.

      Once you have infinite music at your fingertips, you are not going back to buying music ever again.

    5. Re:Duh. by hjf · · Score: 1

      I guess if you're in the hunt for older songs on CDs you can get them for a buck a dozen.
      Assuming you live in an area with an assortment of flea markets or Goodwill. Otherwise you're out of luck.

    6. Re:Duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...unless you give a shit about the people making the music

    7. Re:Duh. by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      Is that really worth saving the bother of ripping your own cds and maintaining your own collection?

      Yes. Because I barely have any free time and sure as hell I'm not going to waste int in "ripping my own cds" and "maintaining my own collection". I did that 20 years ago, when i was 15 and had all the time in the world. Now? Not so much. But I still have the "skills" to pirate anything I really want and was "taken away" by some suit who decided I'm not elegible to listen to this song anymore. And lastly:

      GET REAL.

      A yearly subscription to Spotify gives you access to millions of songs. But only 3 CDs worth of music if you really want to "own" them.

      All the time it takes to click 'rip now' or 'convert cd' or whatever you program of choice says? Yeah whatever, you don't have to babysit the thing. Spotify is $9.99 a month. around the same price as cd. So about the price of 10-12 cds but if you want to treat music as a disposable thing and are only really interested in current pop then that's fair enough. Personally I haven't spent a penny on music in about 10 years. I just kinda got bored of new music and have more than enough in my collection that I don't feel the need to add to it, if there was anything I wanted to but that's a different issue.

      Anyway. if you think the trade off is worth it then good for you. But no complaining when spotify shuts down and you're left with nothing but a dick in your ass for the hundred twenty dollars you've put in per year.

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    8. Re:Duh. by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      A yearly subscription to Spotify gives you access to millions of songs. But only 3 CDs worth of music if you really want to "own" them.

      THIS is the thing the "CD forever" people don't get about why their antequated medium is dying.

      For the same price as I can buy a few albums, I can stream tens of thousands of albums, more new music than I could listen to in many lifetimes. No way am I going back to the limited selections we had back in the old pre-streaming days.

      Once you have infinite music at your fingertips, you are not going back to buying music ever again.

      On the other hand, for the same price as millions of shit songs I don't care about I can get a few albums of actually properly good music that I like. If you happen to like genres that aren't pop you've no guarantee they'll have the bands you like, the further you go the less likely, even then there's no guarantee the pop artist you like will be on there either because it's not all music is it? Not even close.

      Quality>quantity

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    9. Re:Duh. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I guess if you're in the hunt for older songs on CDs you can get them for a buck a dozen. Assuming you live in an area with an assortment of flea markets or Goodwill. Otherwise you're out of luck.

      Or ebay, amazon, craigslist etc etc. The internet is good for more than just streaming you know.

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    10. Re:Duh. by hjf · · Score: 1

      Sportify doesn't cost 9,99 in my country. It costs 99 pesos or USD 2.40. The family plan is 150 pesos or USD 3.75. CDs start at 650 pesos or USD 16.25, and vinyl records start at 1500 pesos or USD 37,50.

      Also, you know how I know you've never used spotify? Because of the bullshit you just said about it being "current pop". I don't know how, but on Spotify I can even find records from local folklore records that were only released in this province.

      Anyway, if you think listening for the same music for the rest of your life is fine, good for you. Music is whatever you want it to be. If you want to fetish it and get all snob about it, it's fine. I'm over 15 so I don't really care about listening (or not) to certain kinds of music to feel "in" or to exclude others.

    11. Re:Duh. by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      Well good for your country that prices it so cheap I wonder how much they are paying your local folklore records and if they are available anywhere else? Hondo Mclean, Johnny Truant, earthtone9, Skindred. Do me a favour, stick those in and see what comes up I am actually interested. As far as I can tell there's no way to check what music they have before you sign up I would assume you can get most of the big names but again, only if they have signed up because it's not all music is it? And even then it's a nightmare of international rights that even if something is available there's no guarantees it will be in the future. I think it's obvious I don't use spotify but I'm not pretending I'm too good for it, it just doesn't appeal, apparently the same way ripping cds doesn't appeal to you.

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    12. Re: Duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha granpa go shit in diapers haha

    13. Re: Duh. by jemmyw · · Score: 1

      Yes your bands are available, I checked. You can sign up for the free ad supported plan to search before paying of course.

    14. Re:Duh. by hjf · · Score: 1

      except for hondo, the names you mentioned did come up with a couple albums each. You can sign up for spotify for free (and use the free plan as long as you want) with only an email address. The only difference with the free plan is that it's like FM radio: you can't skip songs and you are forced to listen to ads every few songs. You can also try premium for a month for free if you enter your credit card (and cancel before 30 days).

      Also it tries to convince you that you need to download the spotify app, but you can use the spotify web player if you don't want to download the app.

      But remember, it will cost me 2.50 but 9.99 for you (same way Adobe Suite costs me $14 and it'll be $50 for you). But then again i make less than $800 a month and my salary is above the average. I whined for a long time that companies try to charge a "one size fits all" price but finally publishers are listening (to piracy).

    15. Re:Duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you want to make sure the musicians get more of the money then buy it through their site,

    16. Re:Duh. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Apparently not when you are paying for it...

  4. I, for one, still buy mp3 albums by fbobraga · · Score: 2

    It's so convenient: not depends of internet connection... if you, like me, stay out of a wireless network in a major part of the day, to listen offline is a necessity

    1. Re:I, for one, still buy mp3 albums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most streaming apps will let you download for offline playback. The files just have to phone-home every once in a while. I download plenty of files from Amazon Prime Music for walks in the woods where 4g is spotty at best.

    2. Re:I, for one, still buy mp3 albums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try living in rural America, though. Even an occasional "phone home" needs internet access, which you can't always get while running fence posts in the boonies. If I had to be out in the cold without tunes because my playback app can't connect to its backend it would be really annoying.

    3. Re:I, for one, still buy mp3 albums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't talking about phoning home while out and about. Spotify only needs to do so once every 30 days.

    4. Re:I, for one, still buy mp3 albums by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thank you. As a tiny tiny microscopic part of the music industry - hobbyist artist/self-publisher - I keep far more of the revenue from a sale than than from someone streaming. Buy my album? You've bought me a coffee! Thanks. Stream my album? Well, only another thousand or so streams to go and I can get that same coffee...

    5. Re:I, for one, still buy mp3 albums by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      As someone that listens to shoutcast and spotify to find new music, then goes to websites to buy music right from the author. "You're welcome."

      I think streaming has done more to level the playing field than any other service. In less than 15 minutes a artist can set up a shoutcast site and be streaming his music 24/7. I would rather see my money go directly to support an artist than have it go to "big music' pockets any day.

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    6. Re:I, for one, still buy mp3 albums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would encourage you, and the Parent, to have a look at https://indiehd.com . It's a DIY publishing platform for independent musicians and indie-friendly labels with an offering not too dissimilar from Bandcamp's. Artists keep 85% and retain all of their rights.

      One major difference, however, is that indieHD is FLOSS (it's on GitHub), which may resonate with those inclined to read Slashdot.

  5. There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Hydrian · · Score: 2

    CD's were always my default fall back when I couldn't find lossless audio compression file formats. Also, CDs are guaranteed to be DRM free. I hope lossless audio becomes more prevalent than it is now.

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    1. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by nealric · · Score: 0

      Lossless really isn't particularly meaningful in the days of modern encoding. Try doing a blind listening test between a lossy but reasonably high bitrate (256kb+) and lossless file (there is free software to allow a random selection between the two). I think you will find it impossible to tell the difference. I couldn't as a classically trained musician listening on a moderately high end set of studio monitors with a dedicated headphone amp. If you are jamming out in your car with a factory audio setup, I GUARANTEE you can't tell the difference.

    2. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > CDs are guaranteed to be DRM free

      So everybody just *imagined* this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal) happened?

    3. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      > CDs are guaranteed to be DRM free

      So everybody just *imagined* this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal) happened?

      No, but it didn't install on cd players.

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    4. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know everybody says that but I feel like they are limiting that statement to exclusively the fidelity of the reproduction. I feel this way because I can hear a difference in the sound stage between lossless audio and even a high bitrate MP3. Now I do fully agree that it doesn't matter for listening in your car, there's just no way to get good acoustics in a car.

    5. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      After years being a musician and studying I can tell you two things. I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket no matter how much training when it comes to singing, and the majority of devices people listen to music on today are crap and you can spend a lot of money on something that still isn't decent quality.

      You are correct the factory stereo in my car isn't high enough quality to tell the difference and neither are most after market car stereos. (wattage so high the electrical system in the car couldn't possibly push it with out being upgraded 2x1000 watt amp on a 12 volt 20 amp circuit maybe if lightening strikes)

    6. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter, it's still DRM. Hydrian said "CDs are guaranteed to be DRM free", and as the AC pointed out, that's just not always true.

    7. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Nkwe · · Score: 2

      Doesn't matter, it's still DRM. Hydrian said "CDs are guaranteed to be DRM free", and as the AC pointed out, that's just not always true.

      Well there is a CD as in the generic term and there is Compact Disk Digital Audio, which is an official specification that is commonly referred to as a "CD". Actual CDs that follow the official CDDA specification *are* DRM free, other formats that are just referred to as "CDs", but aren't actually CDDA may not be. So you both may be correct.

    8. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      I hate to pop you bubble there but not even CD's are lossless. Every time a analog is converted into digital something is lost. That is just simply the nature of the beast. The trick is to keep the sampling high enough to make the loss negotiable.

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    9. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's besides the point. As far as the consumer is concerned, for all intents and purposes, the cd is the original master copy. Lossless compression preseves that original master copy, bit-for-bit identically, and from there you can make lossy copies to your heart's content.

    10. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try doing a blind listening test between a lossy but reasonably high bitrate (256kb+) and lossless file (there is free software to allow a random selection between the two).

      I haven't done the test and I don't claim to be the kind of person who can hear very well anyway, but there's one thing I would change about that test.

      You need to be comparing lossy transcodes from those two things. i.e. try comparing a -q2 Vorbis file made from the 256kb+ MP3 vs a -q2 Vorbis file from the FLAC.

      Why? Because when I'm in a low-bandwidth situation (e.g. the car) that's what I'm actually playing.

      And I wouldn't be surprised if some people (even if not me) can hear the lossy-to-lossy transcode artifacts. I'll keep coming from FLACs and CDs, thanks, because as reckless as she was in her youth, my wife somehow didn't destroy her ears as badly as I did. ;-)

      Why bother storing lossless anyway? Go look at hard disk prices. The cheapest disk you can get will hold a huge FLAC collection. SSDs are even getting there.

    11. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      No, it's just that it's irrelevant. Few people ever bought any of the CDs in question, and their malware was only compatible with Windows anyway. And Sony got their wrist slapped for it.

      Yes, CDs are guaranteed to be DRM-free. Go buy a CD, and guess what? No DRM. Try it. You would have to go out of your way to buy one of those old novelty Sony rootkit CDs. You won't find it at your favorite music store, I bet.

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    12. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      LMOL thanks for adding the qualifier...but yes you can tell the difference. When listening to music on a shitty setup, it's hard to tell how shitty the recording is, when listening to it on an audiophile stereo system, yes, yes you can tell the difference.

      More to the point why pay for something less. There's no reason to providing a lossy format when the internet and computer technology can easily support it. We're not talking dial up and floppy disks. WiFi, Cell service, cell phones and usb drives can all accommodate lossless formats.

      You're paying from something less for no good reason. At least something they used to provide before streaming...

    13. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most players play mp3 natively, lossless formats - not so much. So this test wouldn't make sense for most users. And you unlikely to notice any difference using your car setup anyway.

      Hard drives are getting cheaper. But they don't fit into mobile devices. You can carry 4 times more in mp3 format on your phone. And there are also photos and books.

      I keep archive in lossless format if I can find a copy. There are scripts to convert them into mp3 with volume correction (not all devices support replaygain) and trimming/padding if necessary. These mp3 versions are used in mobile devices. Modifying scripts for opus would be trivial.

      I tried blind tests, I can't distinguish original flac from 270 kbps vbr mp3 using any combination of my hardware. Streams most people listen now are much worse and bluetooth on top of it naturally doesn't help.

    14. Re:There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to pop you bubble there, but nothing is really lossless. Any conversion, recording, transportation or even observation of analog data will affect the data. (If you are being technical)

    15. Re: There goes easy to access uncompressed audio by spinitch · · Score: 1

      Re: There goes easy to access uncompressed audio (+1) nealric 2 hours ago. Rephrasing: Modern encoding Lossy 256kb+ Typically sounds comparable to lossless especially as quality of playback system lower. Cars , moderate mobile DAP/Headphones lossy vs lossless probably can not hear a difference especially for casual listening. Higher end playback which often is not practical for mobile, for very focused listening, then might for the very good listeners desire a lossless playback just in case in high quality recordings a few passages with complex low/mid/highs. No need to do go thru effort to double blind, can compare side by side easily and decide how you invest your time/money. Good luck with your audio journey.

  6. We will have more lost media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When music gets taken down and there is no physical back up.

    1. Re:We will have more lost media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When music gets taken down and there is no physical back up.

      Yes, but with as fucking terrible as music is now, nobody will miss it.

    2. Re:We will have more lost media by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      It's why no-downloadable and DRM music files are not an option to us :P

    3. Re:We will have more lost media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This explains so easily why Star Trek seemingly has no access to any popular culture media between the mid-twentieth century and the aftermath of the third world war.

  7. Think of the audiophiles! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With no option but streaming left, audiophiles have no physical media to enhance. The green marker manufacturers will be hit the hardest. In a bright spot for the industry, there will remain a market for $1000 power cables to ensure only the best quality electrons make it into the next generation of streaming devices.

    1. Re:Think of the audiophiles! by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      You're a fool to misunderestimate fools. Who is to say I can't use a $1000 cable from the computer that runs the streaming client, to the speaker? Who is to say a green marker on the edge of the case, and some gold solder on the case screws, wouldn't make my music sound better? You think you're so stupid, but I can out-stupid you.

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  8. Rolling Stone Confirms it ... Albums are Dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is now official. Rolling Stone has confirmed: albums are dying .

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered album community when Rolling Stone confirmed that album market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all music. Coming on the heels of a recent Rolling Stone survey which plainly states that albums have lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Albums are collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Dick Clark's Rockin' New Year's Eve Top 40 test.

    You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict the future of albums. The hand writing is on the wall: albums face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for albums because albums are dying. Things are looking very bad for albums. As many of us are already aware, albums continue to lose market share. Black vinyl melts and flows like a river of blood.

    Albums are the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core musicians. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time album developers Nirvana and Nickelback only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: albums are dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and skip the numbers.

    Even though total song downloads are still in the hundreds of millions, theyâ(TM)re coming down in scale at the top. In 2018, there was not a single song that broke 1 million sales â" compared to 14 songs that reached that figure in 2017, 36 in 2016 and 60 in 2015. At the 2 million sales mark, two songs took that trophy in 2017, while five claimed it in 2016 and 16 songs made it in 2015, throwing the modest figures of this yearâ(TM)s sales into even sharper relief.

    All major surveys show that the album has steadily declined in market share. The album is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If albums are to survive at all it will be among vinyl-collecting dilettante dabblers. Albums continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, the album is dead.

  9. I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bought my first CD in 1981, and guess what, it still works. That is close to 40 years old. I've got records that still play from the 70's, albeit with some scratches now. Do you really believe your streaming service will be around in 2060?

    1. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Streaming services will continue to be around, because that is where the money is now. Where there's a market there will be providers.

      It doesn't matter which streaming service is around. They are trivial to move to a new one. Physical media can be lost or damaged, mp3s can be lost, but streaming is guaranteed, you'll never lose access to a massive catalog of music.

      Music sales on the other hand are not nearly so likely to be around in 2060, or even 2040 for that matter. Streaming, that is a given. It'll still be here, guaranteed.

    2. Re:I hope CDs stick around by hjf · · Score: 1

      No AC, your 1981 CD doesn't work. You know why I know you're full of shit? Because most old CDs, especially the early ones, are being eaten away. Many of my CDs are dying that way. My Michael Jackson's HIStory (two disc, gold color) is unplayable now because it has black spots all over the disc. That was my first CD, from 1996.

    3. Re:I hope CDs stick around by forkfail · · Score: 1

      How many publishing companies have disappeared and are forgotten, but whose books remain in libraries?

      Making the publisher and publication one and the same creates a single point of failure.

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    4. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy repurchasing that catalog from the 2, 3, 4 or even 5 services as they go bellyup. I have yet to lose a single CD and have close to 500 over the years. And music has been around for centuries, well millenia, its going nowhere unless we nuke ourselves out of existence.

    5. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is, the next streaming service will still provide a for-all-purposes infinite supply of music, seriously who wants to be limited to just a few albums they bought, when for the same price you could have an infinite selection?

      Almost nobody, which is why sales are in decline.

    6. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Michael Jackson's HIStory (two disc, gold color) is unplayable now

      You my friend, have really shitty taste in music.

      Also not all CDs we're manufactured the same. My brothers collections of early 80s CDs still play fine.

      Perhaps you simply stored that Michael Jackson disc up your ass or something.

    7. Re:I hope CDs stick around by zeugma-amp · · Score: 2

      I bought my first CD in 1981, and guess what, it still works. That is close to 40 years old. I've got records that still play from the 70's, albeit with some scratches now. Do you really believe your streaming service will be around in 2060?

      Same here. The first CD I bought was Dark Side of the Moon. I still have it and cdparanoia still thinks the disk is fine.

      The downside of some of those old CDs is that the manufacturers didn't really know how to take advantage of the dynamic range of CDs. On a few of my older disks, I have had to rip them as WAVs, then bump up the volume a bit in Audacity before converting them to mp3.

      That minor inconvenience aside, I much prefer having physical copies that I can re-rip if necessary (as I've done over the years to go from lower bitrates, to the much higher bitrates I use today. I'll admit to living in fear of a fire that would (among other things) destroy the physical collection. I'd still have my backups in that case, but at that point would have less flexibility.

      For someone my age (old fogey) I'm buying CDs pretty consistently. My collection is about 80gb and still growing.

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    8. Re:I hope CDs stick around by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      CD media ruin over time... no-DRM files are far superior

    9. Re:I hope CDs stick around by qubezz · · Score: 1

      That is exactly taking advantage of the dynamic range of CD. Unlike an LP or cassette, there is no technical reason why it has to be maxxed out in volume. In fact, a recording with individual samples that do not exceed -3dB level can go over 0dB analog after oversampling and alias filtering, so it is much better than today's digitally mashed to the maximum volume CDs.

    10. Re:I hope CDs stick around by skapunker21 · · Score: 1

      I think you guys are mistaken on the year you bought your first CDs. In 1981 the Beegees were the first on CD as a demo. 1982 was when CDs started to be released commercially, I believe it was in Germany first iirc. In the US it wasn't until 1984 that a CD was manufactured for commercial use.

    11. Re:I hope CDs stick around by m00sh · · Score: 1

      I bought my first CD in 1981, and guess what, it still works. That is close to 40 years old. I've got records that still play from the 70's, albeit with some scratches now. Do you really believe your streaming service will be around in 2060?

      I still have my CDs but all they do is take up space. I'd rather listen to the stream than pop the CD in.

      I look at those old CDs and a wave of memories flows through and I can't get myself to throw them away.

    12. Re:I hope CDs stick around by imperious_rex · · Score: 1

      While CD degradation is a problem, manufacturing quality and care for discs are the biggest contributing factors to disc rot. I have many pre-1996 CDs (I still have my first CD from 1987) and they all play fine on my circa 1994 CD player. I take good care of my CDs (hold them by the edge, don't transport them in my car) and have had few, if any, problems. Maybe you bought into the marketing hype that CDs were indestructable and you treated your first CD poorly?

    13. Re:I hope CDs stick around by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Not all CDs, no. This comment reminds me of the similar comments made about cassette tapes. I still have a cassette tape (The Special's eponymous album) I bought in 1979 that plays fine.

      It is true though that media created during the 20th Century isn't really designed to last for more than a few decades. If we want content to last longer than that we need to review how we're archiving it.

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    14. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are just plain wrong. What did you do keep it in a humidifier? Mine are not kept in any special place, just inside a house and ALL of them are just fine. I don't bend them, I don't stomp on them, I have kept them in hot cars though.

    15. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you're storing them in a bad environment. I've got a pretty big CD collection (a couple thousand at any rate) purchased between 1982 (My very first CD- Phil Collins, Hello I Must Be Going) through 2000 (Everclear's Songs from an American Movie) - my wife has continued to buy CDs since them, but I couldn't name a single one. Anyway, I can count on one hand the number of CDs that have become unplayable, and some of those are gross scratches. I live in a fairy dry state, but it's not like I do anything other than isolate them from light and undue dust by keeping them in the original cases.

    16. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Madonna had a CD in 1983, and that was one of the first CDs I ever heard of. That being said, CD players were very expensive for many years. My first CD player was in 1991 but I still continued to buy cassette tapes for a few more years because I had a portable cassette Walkman and it was may years before I ever had a portable CD player or even a CD player in my car...

      In fact, I still vividly recall an ad in PC World magazine in 1992 for a CD Burner that installed in your PC. The price was $3000. For a single CD-Rom burner... WOW.

      Once the price of CDs came down, I bought CDs but still transferred them to cassette for the portables. The CD player remained in my home as did my CDs.

      I haven't spent one single penny on music in 20 years. The last thing I ever bought (in 1999) was Jennifer Lopez's "On the Six" album. Since then I download EVERY piece of music I want to enjoy completely free and completely DRM free (JUNGLE-VIBE.ORG). Just search and download. Works on my PC or phone. No apps needed. No account or personal information needed. No special software needed. Just plain old MP3. And a really good assortment of music, even from obscure stuff that is hard to find.

      I don't pay for streaming. I don't pay for songs. Even $0.49 is too much hassle to use my credit card or set up an account or buy a stupid gift card to iTunes. All trash.

      Every single day I look at the 100 CDs on my shelf that I purchased pre-1999 and I wish I could get that money back and get my shelf space back. Nobody would pay a fraction of their cost to buy it from me.

      I don't respect musicians or artists. They don't need my money, and I refuse to give it to them... If I could get back all of the money I ever spent on music, I would be happy.

    17. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That can't be true. I bought my first CD at Tower Records in Manhattan as a freshman in college, 1982, and my roommate and I had no idea what the heck it was when I bought it. I also had to buy a CD player at the same time - it cost $582. Don't ask me why that number has stuck in my head all these years.

    18. Re:I hope CDs stick around by forkfail · · Score: 1

      I don't want an infinite supply. I want a limited supply of those things that I enjoy and treasure, to use in my limited time, and that I personally own.

      I'll always listen to the radio at times - whether that manifests as youtube, a streaming service, or whatever, for purposes of discovery.

      Thing's will be what they will. I'll have my CD's, and you'll have the data driven, ad infested, AI generated, profit maximizing noise de jour.

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    19. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No AC, your 1981 CD doesn't work. You know why I know you're full of shit? Because most old CDs, especially the early ones, are being eaten away. Many of my CDs are dying that way. My Michael Jackson's HIStory (two disc, gold color) is unplayable now because it has black spots all over the disc. That was my first CD, from 1996.

      Anecdote <> data. All you've told us is that you've done a crap job of storing your CDs. Like AC, my library goes back to the early days when CDs were introduced and my discs all work fine. That includes my 2-disc copy of HIStory from its initial release.

    20. Re:I hope CDs stick around by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Do you really believe your streaming service will be around in 2060?

      Why not? If it is a profitable business model then why should we not assume it will still be here in 20, 40, or even 100 years from now? Disney has been a profitable entertainment industry for almost a 100 years now and shows no sign of slowing down. Comcast, as shitty as it is, has been in business for close to 50 years.

      An if some reason the business model doesn't prove to be viable, something else will come along and take its place.

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    21. Re:I hope CDs stick around by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Rush, Presto and Heart, Brigade from 1991 or so. Both still play fine. I'm listening to Presto as I type this.

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    22. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, you're full of it.

      I have many, many CD from the early, '82 to today. B. Joel - Nylon Curtain, J Jackson, 'Body and Soul, to name two.
      They all play just fine.
      The CD rot is the same BS that plasma TV all have image burn. take care of it and it will last.

      When streaming decides you're music isn't enough profit to play, or the ISP's decide that they will triple your monthly rate, I'll still have my CDs.

    23. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Streaming is for those things that you wont want in 40 years.

    24. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I remember correctly, the first commercially available CD player in the US (the Sony CDP-101) went on sale in 1983. (Wikipedia says it launched in Japan in October, 1982, so my memory is probably pretty close.) I still have mine, in a box in the basement. The CDs I bought to play on it (in 1983) do still play. As long as the lacquer coating is still intact over the aluminum layer (not all scratched up), there shouldn't be any deterioration of the recording, and the disc should play.

    25. Re:I hope CDs stick around by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Show, don't tell.

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    26. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it may no longer be a profitable business model in 20, 40, or even 100 years. Or it'll be sold to someone that changes the model or at some point thinks things aren't profitable enough. You cite Disney and Comcast as businesses that have lasted, but that's a survival bias. The fields of the dead and dying are more plentiful. We have a healthy, thriving, seemingly invulnerable Amazon today, but Sears used to look pretty tough too.

      You say something else will come along and take its place, but that's not true. It'll only get replaced if someone else thinks there's money to be made or, from a charitable/benevolent standpoint, if there's something to be preserved and a framework with which to do so.

      Even if specific streaming services are still around years from now, there's no telling what they'll have. Netflix would rather spend billions creating utter garbage they own completely than licensing some of the 80's and 90's shlock that seems to exist only on VHS, or even 2000's stuff only on out of print DVDs. The properties (songs and movies and TV shows) still have some value to people who remember them fondly, but when there's a mismatch of value between a streaming service and the rights holder the end consumer suffers and we just have to hope that someone somewhere is hoarding the materials so that it can enter the public domain decades and decades down the road.

      I can't trust Netflix to keep some sitcom, anime, western, comedy, whatever available for more than 3 years or so, let alone keep some random documentary from 2003 or an obscure Canadian TV show from 1990 or a silent film from 33 available for two more generations. I'm not naive enough to think my generation's art will be anything more than a curiosity in a few more decades, but it'll still mean something to me. Bless the preservationists that restore and re-release items of key historical value, but I think it'll be the rippers and the hoarders that preserve the true history.

      Also, times change and so does a culture's taste. I'd say it happens faster than ever now. Something that was acceptable, or acceptable in a certain lens, becomes problematic when viewed with modern sensibilities. Disney has silenced controversial parts of its history in the past and will do so in the future.

      I'm sad to admit it, but there's an emotional angle that's similar to the fear gun hoarders have... they probably won't come and take the movies out of my hands, but big media can definitely say "we don't think this is enjoyable any more" and pull it from streaming and back into their vaults.

    27. Re:I hope CDs stick around by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      I am made from the dust of the stars.....

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    28. Re:I hope CDs stick around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No AC, your 1981 CD doesn't work. You know why I know you're full of shit? Because most old CDs, especially the early ones, are being eaten away.

      You know who's full of shit? You, particularly with your 'most'. I have about 500 CDs going back to the early days, and they were recently re-ripped. Of those, only *4* were totally unrippable (i.e. not recognized as CDs) and they are *not* the oldest ones. They have visible holes in the substrate. The rest do not.
      FWIW About another 10 have minor issues (e.g. one track has a blip due to a bad srcatch which the ripper couldn't error correct). All the rest give perfect rips according to cdparanoia.

  10. Technology doesnt care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    technology marches on & doesnt give a shit about buggy-whip manufacturers.

    I dont think i even have anything capable of playing cd's anymore. I think my computer has an optical drive... but IIRC i unplugged it so i could hook up a SSD instead.

    Sometimes i still listen to the mp3's i downloaded from napster tho.... well except for the metallica ones.

    1. Re:Technology doesnt care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True thats another factor: CDs are clunky as hell if you want very many of them. and MP3s are too hard for my mom to manage a collection of.

      Streaming "just works" and its super easy for non-techies.

  11. YouTube to MP3 Anyone? by turp182 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Doesn't everyone just rip music from YouTube? Certainly good enough for the car, and alternate versions are usually available if one would like (radio sessions, non-released versions, live versions, cover versions, etc.)..

    I just use a tiny USB stick in my car, with MP3 files.

    At home, I gave in and we have Alexa the associated music service. Merry Christmas to me (I'm working on a couple of Skills)!

    I need to run, there's a package from Amazon being delivered....

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    1. Re:YouTube to MP3 Anyone? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      crap music metadata, this way (that is fixed only manually and with big effort...)

    2. Re:YouTube to MP3 Anyone? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      shhhh

    3. Re:YouTube to MP3 Anyone? by thomasvs · · Score: 1

      Ugh no, and if you do, you deserve the shitty quality you're getting. You're lucky to get even 128 kbit/sec through youtube if at all, and anyone with decent ears can pick out the shitty metallic drum sound that comes along with such low bitrates.

    4. Re:YouTube to MP3 Anyone? by mccalli · · Score: 1

      I believe it's 192kbps if the video is in HD. This is why you see album uploads in HD even though it's just a static picture of the album cover.

    5. Re:YouTube to MP3 Anyone? by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      MusicBrainz Picard can do a pretty good job at fixing that mess automatically.

    6. Re:YouTube to MP3 Anyone? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      nice software!

    7. Re:YouTube to MP3 Anyone? by turp182 · · Score: 1

      Perfect for the car (windows are always cracked open, my ears are destroyed due to concerts and being in bands). And, I like alternate versions that aren't available anywhere.

      And one cannot get the "I'm On A Boat" video anywhere other than from YouTube (I showed it while on a houseboat, no internet available).

      Audio quality is of little concern to me as my ears are already of poor quality (no choice but to blame my parents, I'm very aware of my kid's hearing, we all wear plugs at fireworks).

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  12. It's about selection size. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Selection size and convenience both.

    If I buy an mp3, I have that mp3...... and only that mp3. My catalog to listen will always be small. If I subscribe to a streaming service, suddenly I can listen to anything I want, any time I want, new things constantly. I have thousands of times as much music at my fingertips.

    The convenience of streaming is so higher than mp3s that this market shift is unstoppable. Times change. Nobody buys music on reel-to-reel any more either.

  13. Purchase Disks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are several reasons to purchase disks or records (which I do).

    1) You actually own the media and can leave it to your posterity
    2) The music is of a higher quality than MP3
    3) You can rip the music yourself in a couple of minutes (I use Asunder)
    4) You can put the ripped files on your various devices without worrying about someone looking over your shoulder

    They are apparently all outweighed by the convenience and instant gratification of purchasing digital only media.

    It must suck to be someone who loses thousands of dollars worth of purchases when they lose their device, switch providers, or get locked out of their accounts.

    1. Re:Purchase Disks by hjf · · Score: 2

      I pay $3 a month for millions of songs off Spotify. Anything else I can pirate. I don't give a shit about my "posterity" since I know my children won't give a fuck about about my "old music" as much as i don't give a fuck about my dad's "old records".

      Also, How many CDs does $3 get you? That's what I spend in a month for music. $3.

      It may suck to be someone who loses thousands of dollars worth of purchases when their gome burns down, a thief stoles their albums, or a child plays with their discs.

    2. Re:Purchase Disks by forkfail · · Score: 2

      And - you can't leave your collection to someone after you die. It all goes into the rubbish heap.

      https://www.marketwatch.com/st...

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    3. Re:Purchase Disks by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      I pay $3 a month for millions of songs off Spotify. Anything else I can pirate. I don't give a shit about my "posterity" since I know my children won't give a fuck about about my "old music" as much as i don't give a fuck about my dad's "old records".

      About 90% of the music my kids listen to is "old music". They'd rather listen to Led Zeppelin than Justin Bieber. I still have around 500 CDs and they have that music on their phones. Actually, my older son has been going through that entire collection song by song and curating playlists with his favs.

    4. Re:Purchase Disks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because you have limited (shitty) taste in music. I have lots of my parents old records - CSNY, Beatles, Beach Boys, Simon and Garfunkel, etc. I have bought people's grandparents records - jazz and shit that is most definitely not available on any streaming service. When I purchase music on CD, it's also stuff that I've never found available on any streaming service or anywhere it could be pirated because it's music that people who respect musician's enjoy and wouldn't put it out there for others to steal.

      Spotify is for people with limited taste. McDonald's of music.

    5. Re: Purchase Disks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet Spotify wins while CDs go extinct. Admit it, you're out of touch with the vast majority of the population and, therefore, wrong. You know it's the truth. Accept it.

  14. But I thought... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought that Video killed the radio star!

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    1. Re:But I thought... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I was a fan of MTV and the head bangers ball in the 80s and early 90s when it was still about music but then one day it was nothing but back to back jersey shore and pseudo-reality tv.

  15. People are strange by nagora · · Score: 2

    The higher-quality, lower price option (CDs) are fading yet the shitty quality high price (vinyl) is going up, albeit slowly.

    I've yet to see any reason to subscribe to a streaming service for music. I suppose if I wanted to enjoy the feeling of listening to artists I like whilst simultaneously knowing that they're being as badly ripped off as I am, I might give it a go.

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    1. Re:People are strange by PuddleBoy · · Score: 2

      "The higher-quality, lower price option (CDs) are fading yet the shitty quality high price (vinyl) is going up,"

      While I agree that the price of new vinyl is too high (sometimes outrageous), for recordings made more than 30 years ago, I find vinyl is definitely higher quality than CD. (Yes, you need high-quality gear to play it on - nothing new there) I have done a lot of A-B testing on high-end audio gear, mainly of recordings from the 50's thru the 70's and vinyl almost always wins for quality.

      For 'modern' recordings, streaming or CD's are generally the equal of vinyl, so there's no significant advantage to the big black disc.

      (And buying used vinyl is a crap shoot: I've purchased used LP's for a buck or two that were perfect, and purchased used LP's for $10+ that were full of way too many pops and scratches. You factor the cost of the duds into the overall value equation.)

    2. Re:People are strange by hjf · · Score: 1

      It's callled "fetish". People have a fetish for physical things. I know, I've fell for it.
      And after the couple of times you play that silly record or show it off for friends, you realize it's a stupid purchase. At home I "do" things. I can't sit passively and "listen to music". And if I were the type to do that, I'd have to spend literaly thousands in building a collection of records to keep me busy.
      I can understand why *some* people do it, but I don't see how "millions of people" could be doing it.

      (I haven't fell for the "album fetish", but I have for the "film camera" fetish, which I now hardly ever use, because after the hours of shooting, you have the hours of developing, and the hours of scanning. Which I simply don't have)

    3. Re:People are strange by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      The higher-quality, lower price option (CDs) are fading yet the shitty quality high price (vinyl) is going up, albeit slowly.

      We're in the Keurig Era.

      H. L. Mencken would've had a field day...

    4. Re:People are strange by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      I, too, don't get this vinyl hype... may it's only because the size of the cover for the art.

      much "vinyl lovers" think the audio quality is superior from alternatives, which is a very false claim...

    5. Re:People are strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've yet to see any reason to subscribe to a streaming service for music. I suppose if I wanted to enjoy the feeling of listening to artists I like whilst simultaneously knowing that they're being as badly ripped off as I am, I might give it a go."

      $4 a month doesnt seem like much of a ripoff to me. Especially considering i can just name an artist or genre, or year, or album out loud & it plays instantly.

      & most of my favorite artists are dead anyway, im not going to cry a river over their kids/grandkids not getting a free ride.

    6. Re:People are strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vinyl is an inferior format in every way to CDs. However older albums are usually superior on Vinyl because they were mixed better. Modern music has too much dynamic compression and this also infects "digital remasters" of older albums that were originally released on Vinyl. Most music does not even begin to take advantage of the capabilities of CD audio as a format. So when you are buying Vinyl you aren't buying a superior format. But you are buying a decent guarantee that the music was mixed and mastered better which yields a superior product. There is nothing stopping anyone from doing this with modern digital formats though. You just don't see it because Producers and content distributors are obsessed with perceived loudness. There is also a practical consideration for trying to equalize the perceived volume of music across multiple albums and artists to make playlists more seamless. The radio industry has done this for years but Youtube, Spotify, Soudcloud et all do this as well. So really the only way to preserve the dynamics in your music as an artist is to distribute directly to the fans.

    7. Re:People are strange by nagora · · Score: 2

      "The higher-quality, lower price option (CDs) are fading yet the shitty quality high price (vinyl) is going up,"

      While I agree that the price of new vinyl is too high (sometimes outrageous), for recordings made more than 30 years ago, I find vinyl is definitely higher quality than CD.

      While it's true that material recorded with vinyl in mind will sometimes sound better on vinyl, that only really works up until the point where you've dragged a gemstone across it. After that the quality goes audibly downhill pretty rapidly.

      Vinyl is inherently rubbish simply because of its fragility. I hated it even before there was an alternative, and I'm certainly never going back to it.

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    8. Re:People are strange by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For 'modern' recordings, streaming or CD's are generally the equal of vinyl, so there's no significant advantage to the big black disc.

      That should tell you that your conclusion was ultimately a mistake.

      On the basic technological level, CDs generally faithfully reproduce a greater part of the original audio than Vinyl is capable of doing. The reason you think the older records are better is more likely to do with the quality of production, before the audio was stamped onto either media, in the 1970s, than it does the medium. Older media is obviously going to sound "better" if the recordings are better than their modern equivalents.

      If, comparing like with like, you can't see a difference, then you can't really argue you can conclude one is better than the other. When you've been given identical content on two different mediums, you've found you can't tell them apart. That should tell you that at best vinyl isn't better than a CD (it also says CDs aren't better either), unless you can find technical reasons to support one over the other. As of now, the technical evidence is POP that CDs are higher quality, but possibly not so high anyone can tell the POP that CDs are higher quality, but possibly not so high anyone can tell the POP that CDs are higher quality, but possibly not so high anyone can tell the POP that CDs are higher quality, but possibly not so high anyone can tell the POP that CDs are higher quality, but possibly not so high anyone can tell the SCRATCH erence.

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    9. Re:People are strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is exactly the large format and cover art. I don't miss the sound of vinyl at all. Clicks, pops and hiss galore... and I was given an extremely good linear turntable and very high end amp/speaker combo from my dad in the 80s. I miss the amp and still have the speakers. The heavy oak cabinet and the feel of taking out the record, looking at the liner notes and putting it on I do miss. But the sound? CDs are much more reliable and sound great when mastered correctly. There were albums mastered well for vinyl that weren't so hot on CD. But a well mastered CD beats a well mastered record in my opinion. When I bought a CD player around 1990 I never looked back. Personally I find some of my old 80s albums on original issue CDs sound better than the much newer remastered editions (for example Chrysalis Blondie albums). But perhaps I'm just weird.

    10. Re:People are strange by PuddleBoy · · Score: 1

      "The reason you think the older records are better is more likely to do with the quality of production, before the audio was stamped onto either media, in the 1970s, than it does the medium. "

      And that is just as valid a reason to consider the reproduction from vinyl superior to CD in those instances.

      If a session was recorded, mixed, mastered, etc. originally for vinyl, and it was done by great engineers, (and later remastering was full of compression for the CD format) it is possible that the recording will ultimately be more enjoyable on vinyl. I am not in any way trying to say that, on a theoretical level, vinyl is better. Not at all. Just that there are instances, quite common in 50+ year old recorded sessions, where I can always tell the difference and the vinyl is usually 'better' from an enjoyment perspective. I care less about something theoretical and more about how it really sounds subjectively.

    11. Re:People are strange by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      They other reality is this. A lot of those older recordings people are familiar with listening to on vinyl. If that is they way you first head it in your college dorm room, than for you that is how its "supposed to sound" and even in the CD release is more faithful to the actual sound well you will think the vinyl is better.

      The bigger issue with recorded music in general is what is the real objective, is it to:
      1) Reproduce the sound as it was in the studio most accurately
      2) Produce the sound closest to what the artist imagined doing
      3) Produce sounds that meet your listening preferences
      4) Produce sounds that meet the preferences of the majority of other people listening with you

      Until you decided on a specific objective what "better" even means isn't clear and you and I might not even share the same definition.

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    12. Re:People are strange by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      And that is just as valid a reason to consider the reproduction from vinyl superior to CD in those instances.

      I'm not sure it is. You're effectively saying "I much prefer Vinyl when I don't have a choice."

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    13. Re:People are strange by drewsup · · Score: 2

      "The reason you think the older records are better is more likely to do with the quality of production, before the audio was stamped onto either media, in the 1970s, than it does the medium. "
      No, the reason it sounds better is because the music was better!

    14. Re:People are strange by PuddleBoy · · Score: 1

      "I'm not sure it is. You're effectively saying "I much prefer Vinyl when I don't have a choice.""

      I suppose, in a sense, yes. You're right.

      If I listen to the B side of Time Further Out on vinyl and on CD, both on really good gear, and I clearly prefer vinyl every time, and I can identify the elements that I find 'better', and the CD version cannot provide those elements, then I suppose that is a 'choice of one'.

      But I am generally talking about situations where there is both a vinyl and a CD version, so, in an absolute sense, there is a choice. And my preferences are not necessarily the preferences of others - I cannot speak for anyone but myself.

      I buy vinyl. But I very rarely consider buying vinyl of something recorded in the last 20 years or so. For that, it's either a CD, or, more likely, stream it.

      (Side note: audio has so many rabbit holes to draw you into. slashdot has lots of widely varying and often very opposed points of view. and so does audio...)

    15. Re:People are strange by Megane · · Score: 1

      I sort of miss Laserdisc for that large format artwork. What I don't miss is having to store the damn things. They're the size of LP albums, but twice as thick, three times as heavy (acrylic rather than vinyl), and usually require two discs for a more than ~90 minute movie. But hearing them stop, flip the head, and reverse the motor to play the second side is awesome.

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    16. Re:People are strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I find vinyl is definitely higher quality than CD."

      Hipster alert.... sorry, btw, you're wrong. And it's not subjective either.

  16. The battery powered CD boomboxes are disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know stores still sell those rather small portable radios with a CD player. But this Christmas I was shopping around for a medium to large size battery powered one with speakers that can be separated from the head unit and spread out. They are hard to find now in Houston. And the CD player on them is usually broken. So whenever I happen to come across another decent one in a resale shop or flea market, I will probably buy it and give it to a friend or family member.

  17. BuzzAngle's Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sadly, BuzzAngle's report doesn't seem to list any sources, or note how they have determined this information. People are still very much buying albums and music. Vinyl has been breathing life back into music stores across the US.

    1. Re:BuzzAngle's Report by hjf · · Score: 2

      Vinyl is a fad. It will go away and become a "niche" again. Only "hipster" types and curious kids are buying them.

    2. Re:BuzzAngle's Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been hearing this for like 10 years

    3. Re:BuzzAngle's Report by hjf · · Score: 1

      is it not niche? How many records per capita are being sold now, and how many in the 80s?

    4. Re:BuzzAngle's Report by Megane · · Score: 1

      It will go away when the hipsters finally discover cheap used CDs. Until then, I will partake of them without their competition.

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  18. I buy CD's all the time by DogDude · · Score: 1

    I buy CD's all the time. I've got a couple of great local new/used music stores. Streaming doesn't work when there's no Internet connection or you want to hear a particular album.

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    1. Re:I buy CD's all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How quaint! Do you have an outhouse too?

    2. Re:I buy CD's all the time by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      So, it's you? :P

    3. Re:I buy CD's all the time by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      No, it's just the United States has shitty internet access. Broadband is not available everywhere. Ass-hole.

  19. Millennials Love Owning Nothing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find me a generation that spends more and owns less.. go on.. try...

    1. Re:Millennials Love Owning Nothing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame the Boomers for buying up everything to try and sell to their children at 500% markup. Millennials can't afford to own anything anymore, and the "studio" apartments they get by in are too small to accommodate CD racks.

      Also, you seem to have forgotten the Beatniks.

    2. Re:Millennials Love Owning Nothing! by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      That would be their grandchildren the Boomers are selling to at a 500% markup.

      Remember, the Awesome Generation (aka Gen-X) is in between the Boomers and Millenials.

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  20. Downsides by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I prefer to buy and rip, as no Internet connection is required to play an mp3, and I have full playlist control.

    You don't need an internet connection to play a song purchased online either. Even streaming services will let you purchase and/or download some songs for offline listening.

    The downsides of ripping CDs being
    1) You cannot just buy the tracks you want from a given album
    2) It takes substantially more time to rip the track than to download it
    3) You accumulate discs on your shelf which gather dust for the rest of eternity
    4) Takes more time to acquire the album
    5) It wastes physical resources given that you are planning to copy it anyway

    The only real upside I can see is that it gives you a modicum of better control over your collection and a backup in case or data loss (albeit with a ton of work to restore).

    And garage sales/used music stores are your best friends price-wise.

    Only if they actually have something you want to listen to. Personally the thought of spending hours combing through someone else's used music collection hoping their is something good there to buy on the cheap sounds like a horrendous waste of my time. You be you but I've got better things to do.

    1. Re:Downsides by bhcompy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even streaming services will let you purchase

      Sure, but quality varies. Tidal, Apple, and a few niche services offer some type of lossless selection(very limited, tbh). The rest? Not so much.

      Permanently renting your music doesn't appeal to me

    2. Re:Downsides by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only real upside I can see is that it gives you a modicum of better control over your collection and a backup in case or data loss (albeit with a ton of work to restore).

      I think the real difference is people who enjoy music vs people who listen to it. If you just listen you don't care what the song is or who its by as long as there's another one after. Speaking of data loss though, how long is streaming service x going to be available and what happens when it shuts down?

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    3. Re:Downsides by jason777 · · Score: 1

      You mean my "plays for sure" music no longer works?

    4. Re:Downsides by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      All true for new music, but there are artists that predate streaming, and whose stuff isn't all available on the streaming services, or even YouTube. And even if it were, YouTube isn't exactly high-quality audio. I recently encountered a situation where I found an artist that I liked who was active during the late 90s/early 2000s. I couldn't find any digital sources for them (not even on pirate sites) and ended up buying used CDs and ripping them. If not for physical media, their music would have been essentially lost to time... which I think is kind of a shame.

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    5. Re:Downsides by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Speaking of data loss though, how long is streaming service x going to be available and what happens when it shuts down?

      What happens when your cd player dies and it can't be fixed and nobody makes them any more? Pretty much the same thing.

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    6. Re:Downsides by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      Speaking of data loss though, how long is streaming service x going to be available and what happens when it shuts down?

      What happens when your cd player dies and it can't be fixed and nobody makes them any more? Pretty much the same thing.

      The CD is just a transmission medium between the vendor and one's personal storage devices.

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    7. Re:Downsides by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Tell that to MySpace...

    8. Re:Downsides by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      There is a huge supply of perfectly good used replacements out there at low prices, and there likely will be for decades to come; making the above an irrelevant argument.

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    9. Re:Downsides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have my Technics turntable that went with me to college, it still works after I bought a new rubber belt for it. It's a great transmission medium for some old stuff that ain't on streaming. Now I have to find an adapter to plug it to my computer to rip the songs with Audacity.

    10. Re:Downsides by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      On Christmas of 2016-17 my soon-to-leave-for-college daughter received a USB enabled turntable as a gift. All vinyl records in the house were promptly played into Audacity and captured to NAS.

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    11. Re:Downsides by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      I disagree about it being irrelevant. Eventually the stuff the play the physical media will go away. It happens with all physical media. How many places make parts for the Edison wax phonograph?

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    12. Re: Downsides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s not going to happen for decades.

    13. Re: Downsides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So lossless downloads are the answer.

    14. Re: Downsides by Malc · · Score: 1

      They were saying that about record decks 20 years ago. Now you can get them with USB and Bluetooth connections, at a reasonable price.

    15. Re: Downsides by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Not many, but theyâ(TM)re easy to fix compared to a CD player

    16. Re:Downsides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > How many places make parts for the Edison wax phonograph?

      1) Why would you want to LISTEN to an Edison wax phonograph - technically superior? *

      2) As long as there is demand, someone will make a player (Turntable anyone? Cassette tape player? DVD?) Yeah, It WILL cost you though. HD-DVD? not so much - no demand. Hell, no new HD-DVDs!

      3) Since the days of DOS...backwards compatibility is key, This is why my Blu Ray player plays both DVDs and CDs.

      4) Its only when new releases are no longer available on physical media that the format is doomed (Edison wax cylinders, 78rpm and 45rpm singles, reel to reel tape - to name a few). Vinyl was on its death bed in the 90s yet here we are in 2019 and material is STILL being release in that format, POPs, CLICKs, RUMBLEs and all! Turntables are still being manufactured to play this stuff.

      *If you're still bent on listening to Edison wax phonograph cylinders, I remember reading a article about some scientists using a laser beam to read one. Something about listening to the oldest recorded sounds. Go figure.

    17. Re:Downsides by J-1000 · · Score: 1

      I think the real difference is people who enjoy music vs people who listen to it. If you just listen you don't care what the song is or who its by as long as there's another one after. Speaking of data loss though, how long is streaming service x going to be available and what happens when it shuts down?

      You're implying that streamers "don't care what the song is" which is silly. Amazon Music (especially the "Unlimited" variety) works like this: You dial up an artist, a song, *or an album*. You have instant access to everything. The "radio" flavor of listening is only one of many options.

      The monthly fee is minuscule in comparison to the time and monetary investment that goes into creating a prepper's hoard of physical CDs. When Amazon goes belly up and I lose access to all my music I'll be the first to congratulate you on your foresight as I casually switch to a competing service.

    18. Re:Downsides by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      1) Why would you want to LISTEN to an Edison wax phonograph - technically superior? *

      Dude, every true audiophile knows that the subtle nuances captured during the analog waxing process can never be truly and faithfully reproduced by your digital "music".

    19. Re: Downsides by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Not really necessary for audio for listening, but audio is small data these days and it's a wash between lossless and lossy audio provided your intenetz doesn't suck.

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  21. Buggy whips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh no! Fewer buggy whips sold since invention of automobile! World coming to an end!

  22. Ownership, hello? by TigerPlish · · Score: 2

    While y'all are so busy yelling at each other like a divided bunch of little schoolchildren about blue this and red that, you've all been not noticing the corporations (all of them, really) moving to models that reduce or eliminate ownership.

    And what's one of the most tangible ways we had to distinguish ourselves from heathen communists? Ownership. C'mon, boys and girls, all together now: Ow - ner- ship. It's your house, not the State's. It's your car, not the state's.

    It's your music, not theirs.

    But nooooo, you short-sighted, divided morons continue to fight amongst yourselves and you don't see this .. this thievery happening right under your noses.

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    1. Re:Ownership, hello? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It was never "your music" unless you made it. You never owned it, even on CD. What distinguishes us from communists isn't the ability to buy a Ariana Grande CD.

    2. Re:Ownership, hello? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      It's your house, not the State's.

      Try not paying your state rent..er..property taxes and see how well that statement holds up.

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    3. Re:Ownership, hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why should I want to "own" music what that is purely disadvantageous for me compared to being able to stream anything I want without all the bother of having to keep track of physical CDs or a bunch of mp3 files?

      Streaming is convenient for the user and gives you a vastly larger supply of music to listen to. For the price of buying a few albums I get access to essentially all the music.

      There's no way buying can compete with that. "Less music and less convenience for more money" is not a viable business model.

    4. Re:Ownership, hello? by TigerPlish · · Score: 2

      It was never "your music" unless you made it. You never owned it, even on CD. What distinguishes us from communists isn't the ability to buy a Ariana Grande CD.

      I disagree. I would LOVE to see Sony / EMI / RCA / AG / DG / Polydor / MCA / Decca come into my house and retrive my LP / CD of

      You see, you OWN the CD, but not the music in it. But you own the physical object in which said music came in.

      With the "streamers" if they say "Well, no more bad 80's synthpop for YOU" then *poof* there goes your ability to stream that. With no recourse.

      But they absolutely can't reach into your house and remove all your horrible 80's synthpop records and CDs.

      Yet.

      Sounds like some people would love nothing more than to do just that.

      Why is that so hard to see?

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    5. Re:Ownership, hello? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      It's your house, not the State's.

      Try not paying your state rent..er..property taxes and see how well that statement holds up.

      I get your point, but it proves the GP's point as much as it proves yours.

      Failure to pay property taxes, at least in my state, turns into a lien, which then turns into a foreclosure. That whole process involves a small mountain of paperwork and a number of lawyers, there are means of appeal, and so on - all of which are meticulously documented and whose procedures are well-defined.

      A tax foreclosure is, basically, by definition, the state reclaiming ownership of the land; there's no easy way to use a house without land to put it on, but the fact that the house is part of the REpossession is basically an admission that the state didn't own it to begin with.

      I paid once for my stack of CDs, and regardless of what contracts are signed or whether the CD goes out of print, my CD doesn't stop playing. My ripped MP3s don't stop playing. Even if the RIAA wants me to give back the CD, the law basically allows them to ask nicely, and that's about it. I may not *own* the music, I may not be allowed to redistribute the music as I see fit, but for every practical purpose, the fact that the media is owned means that there is a guarantee that there is nothing the "owners" can do to prevent me from listening to that CD at my leisure.

      Here's a more clear-cut example:

      I have a copy of Beauty and the Beast on DVD. I can watch that every day for the rest of my life if I want. Disney can put the DVD release back in the 'Disney Vault', they can sell the rights to Dreamworks, they can treat it like Song of the South...but my DVD copy ensures that I will never be prevented from watching the movie.

      I have a subscription to Netflix. I can stream Beauty and the Beast until the deal between Netflix and Disney expires and Disney launches a separate streaming service, even if I continue to pay Netflix.

      That is the difference.

    6. Re:Ownership, hello? by m00sh · · Score: 1

      While y'all are so busy yelling at each other like a divided bunch of little schoolchildren about blue this and red that, you've all been not noticing the corporations (all of them, really) moving to models that reduce or eliminate ownership.

      And what's one of the most tangible ways we had to distinguish ourselves from heathen communists? Ownership. C'mon, boys and girls, all together now: Ow - ner- ship. It's your house, not the State's. It's your car, not the state's.

      It's your music, not theirs.

      But nooooo, you short-sighted, divided morons continue to fight amongst yourselves and you don't see this .. this thievery happening right under your noses.

      You don't own your house. The state owns it and you're buying a license to use it. Again with the cliche, try not paying taxes or using your house that is not allowed by your state and see what happens.

      Same with the car. The government owns your car. All you have is a title to use it in a manner that is as defined by the state.

      It's all an illusion of ownership. All that is different is that the license are a little more permissive than others.

    7. Re:Ownership, hello? by m00sh · · Score: 1

      It was never "your music" unless you made it. You never owned it, even on CD. What distinguishes us from communists isn't the ability to buy a Ariana Grande CD.

      I disagree. I would LOVE to see Sony / EMI / RCA / AG / DG / Polydor / MCA / Decca come into my house and retrive my LP / CD of

      You see, you OWN the CD, but not the music in it. But you own the physical object in which said music came in.

      With the "streamers" if they say "Well, no more bad 80's synthpop for YOU" then *poof* there goes your ability to stream that. With no recourse.

      But they absolutely can't reach into your house and remove all your horrible 80's synthpop records and CDs.

      Yet.

      Sounds like some people would love nothing more than to do just that.

      Why is that so hard to see?

      Streaming and CDs are completely different.

      Streaming services gives you access to millions of albums for a monthly fee.

      CDs give you music for one album without a time limit.

      You can buy music per album basis and save it as FLACs/MP3s which does the same thing as CDs.

    8. Re:Ownership, hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that logic, you don't own your body either. Nobody owns anything. Ownership is a lie! Soylent Green is people!

    9. Re:Ownership, hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is probably all semantic and amounts to arguing with a moron, but NO, in the U.S., the state does not "own" your private property. Because real estate almost invariably physically exists within the boundaries of various state and local taxing authorities that provide multiple services they have a right to demand payment of those taxes. Tax liens and foreclosures are not an attempt to take over and own the property - the state usually does not even want your property. What they want is their tax money, and in extreme cases they will try to force a sale to get those back taxes and hopefully sell to a new owner who will pay those taxes in the future.

      You may choose to make or believe silly statements like "the state owns it" when speaking of real estate, that is your business. I guess you think you're perfectly entitled to possess property and receive police, fire and local government services for free, or are some sort of anarchist, but it isn't going to work that way. The owner of the property is the one who determines who may be there, who may not, how the property will be used, what color it will be painted, etc, etc. The state doesn't care about these things and only gets involved in special circumstances, usually out of community interest (community standards, keeping the peace, etc). Physical property ownership necessarily entails being part of a community and brings certain obligations and responsibilities, financial and otherwise.

      The idea that the government owns your car is even sillier. If you want to use your car on public roads then you must typically inspect and register the vehicle and pay various fees as well as carry insurance, out of legitimate public interest to pay for roads and ensure safety and other standards. There are scenarios where the vehicle can be impounded or forfeited (crime, excessive traffic violations, etc), but there is virtually no scenario where the government will just repossess and take title ownership of your car for failure to pay. Sure a bank might, if you don't pay for it as you agreed. But if you own a motor vehicle outright and wish to operate it exclusively on a large tract of private land then I'm pretty sure you are well within your rights to not bother to register or insure it.

    10. Re:Ownership, hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. We've always owned it once it was made available. We've agreed to grant a limited-time exclusivity to the creator to encourage their contributions to society, but culture belongs to everyone.

    11. Re:Ownership, hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no way buying can compete with that.

      I already have a sufficient quantity of music and pay nothing to listen to it as much as I want on any device I want. There's no way streaming can compete with that.

    12. Re:Ownership, hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have their choices, and I have mine. If they won't sell it to me (opting only to offer a rental option), I'll just pirate it. I cannot see the analog gap being closed anytime soon.

    13. Re:Ownership, hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You illusion of ownership amounts to little more than the saying that anyone or any organisation with more physical power than you can take anything from you at any time, which is a) obvious and b) a stupid definition because it means no person, company or state ever owns anything because a more powerful organisation can take it away. The US government doesn't own 'your' house because China could potentially take over the US and take 'your' house away from it.

      An actually useful definition of ownership of an object is 'can I destroy it without permission and without consequences beyond my loss of the object'.
      That means I own my CDs.
      It also means I own my house, since (as long as I don't endanger my neighbours or the public) I am free to - for example - dismantle it brick by brick without the state being able to stop me or punish me (yes, it's a detached house with no mortgage which stands apart from the neighbouring properties).

  23. Not about sound quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lossless is more about having an exact bit-for-bit copy of the original cd which is suitable for archiving. If music isn't exactly a passion for you then you probably don't even care about having your own music collection, and therefore lossless compression isn't much use to you. But if you do, the usual technique is to copy your original cds using lossless compression, put the cd away in storage, and from the lossless master copy you can generate lossy copies in any format, whenever you want. The master copy remains perserved as it was on the original cd: a true archive. Again, this probably sounds pointless to 99% of you, but for those of us who take our music collection seriously, it is the only way.

    Speaking of collecting music, I have to put in a plug for secondspin.com. I've been buying used cds from them for about 15 years now, paying an average of about $4 to $5 per cd. I've built up a massive collection this way, and the best part is that the music I like most (jazz, fusion, classical, new age) is typically what other people like least, and therefore I have plenty to choose from at good prices. I have a list of artists/albums I'm interested in, hundreds of items long, and every 6 months I go to secondspin and simply run down the list of the currently "hot" items. I have an extensive system of shell scripts to do the archiving, tagging, and converting. It rocks.

    1. Re:Not about sound quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rick Beato also covered lossy vs lossless audio compression.

    2. Re:Not about sound quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Speaking of collecting music, I have to put in a plug for secondspin.com [secondspin.com]. I've
      >been buying used cds from them for about 15 years now, paying an average of about $4 to $5 per cd

      I miss SecondSpin. They closed down the one here in Denver about a year ago. When I'm in Phoenix, I like to check out Zia Records. Same setup, 5 locations. I don't work for either of these stores - just a satisfied customer.

  24. I have commentary on the matter. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    This is a copy-paste that I wrote for somewhere else, do as you will with it.

    I have observed something, and it has increased with time, having recently brought it up to my father-in-law, who is also a tech field worker, he agreed with me.
    The people - both voluntarily and at some prodding are giving up control and ownership of everything - slowly.

    What brought it to my attention is streaming services. Despite being a quite technical individual I skipped out on the early part of the streaming fad, due in part to living in an area with unreliable web access and literally working in a faraday cage without WiFi access during that time period. I doubled down on the previous fad - ripping and compressing, instead and continue that to this day.

    The result - people are lost without access to Spotify. No Netflix, no movies. You unplug the average person from the Internet these days and they no longer have the ability to use their entertainment systems.

    I originally contemplated the pros and cons of going all online versus what I was doing - are we really missing anything by not owning our media? In time I began to realize it didn't stop at media.

    Younger people don't want to own anything.

    We are watching the formation of dependence culture.

    Young people aren't driving anymore, which like everything else is a mix of good and bad. Even when I was privileged enough to be able to bike to work and back, and even for my grocery shopping and most everything else I still kept a license and a vehicle. Something I've noted at work - the younger a coworker is the less likely they are to have any damned tools to work with, and it doesn't appear to be tied to not having had enough time to accumulate them. While doing a little research about that tidbit I stumbled across an article about the non-ownership topic from the other perspective written in a way that meets my approval.

    It's important after that last article I make myself clear. I am not condemning the passing of materialism culture. Far from it. I personally have reduced my materialism and even the footprint of what I personally own. I am however against submission and dependence culture - both of which are adopted when you give up your ability to do for yourself by depending on services - AKA being served - exclusively.

    I want to go back to tools. Even though I've reduced the amount of junk I personally own, something I do own a healthy share of is tools. Tools are to me, a different kind of possession. They aren't possessions that say "Look at me!", they aren't something that I use as a status symbol, they aren't pointless possessions. No - tools are something that says "I've got this." I use my tools to make a living, to do for myself, to teach. My tools give me independence and if used properly can even be used to spread independence.

    I think we're heading down a dangerous path. When most of the people rent someone still has to own what was rented. When people do nothing but stream someone still has control of the source material. When you don't have your own tools you have to depend on someone to provide them for you. When you can't control your own propulsion you can only go where others will take you. In situations where the many are dependent on the few, the few tend to get fewer in time as they are bought out or consolidated after deaths, etc... In turn the fewer the sources of provision are, the more power the providers have.
    Eventually we all become slaves existing at the leisure of those who control the resources.

    I just realized after typing that last line that it sounds like some sort of socialist manifesto - at least when that line stands alone. Quite the opposite - w

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    1. Re:I have commentary on the matter. by m00sh · · Score: 1

      This is a copy-paste that I wrote for somewhere else, do as you will with it.

      I have observed something, and it has increased with time, having recently brought it up to my father-in-law, who is also a tech field worker, he agreed with me. The people - both voluntarily and at some prodding are giving up control and ownership of everything - slowly.

      What brought it to my attention is streaming services. Despite being a quite technical individual I skipped out on the early part of the streaming fad, due in part to living in an area with unreliable web access and literally working in a faraday cage without WiFi access during that time period. I doubled down on the previous fad - ripping and compressing, instead and continue that to this day.

      The result - people are lost without access to Spotify. No Netflix, no movies. You unplug the average person from the Internet these days and they no longer have the ability to use their entertainment systems.

      I originally contemplated the pros and cons of going all online versus what I was doing - are we really missing anything by not owning our media? In time I began to realize it didn't stop at media.

      Younger people don't want to own anything.

      We are watching the formation of dependence culture.

      Young people aren't driving anymore, which like everything else is a mix of good and bad. Even when I was privileged enough to be able to bike to work and back, and even for my grocery shopping and most everything else I still kept a license and a vehicle. Something I've noted at work - the younger a coworker is the less likely they are to have any damned tools to work with, and it doesn't appear to be tied to not having had enough time to accumulate them. While doing a little research about that tidbit I stumbled across an article about the non-ownership topic from the other perspective written in a way that meets my approval.

      It's important after that last article I make myself clear. I am not condemning the passing of materialism culture. Far from it. I personally have reduced my materialism and even the footprint of what I personally own. I am however against submission and dependence culture - both of which are adopted when you give up your ability to do for yourself by depending on services - AKA being served - exclusively.

      I want to go back to tools. Even though I've reduced the amount of junk I personally own, something I do own a healthy share of is tools. Tools are to me, a different kind of possession. They aren't possessions that say "Look at me!", they aren't something that I use as a status symbol, they aren't pointless possessions. No - tools are something that says "I've got this." I use my tools to make a living, to do for myself, to teach. My tools give me independence and if used properly can even be used to spread independence.

      I think we're heading down a dangerous path. When most of the people rent someone still has to own what was rented. When people do nothing but stream someone still has control of the source material. When you don't have your own tools you have to depend on someone to provide them for you. When you can't control your own propulsion you can only go where others will take you. In situations where the many are dependent on the few, the few tend to get fewer in time as they are bought out or consolidated after deaths, etc... In turn the fewer the sources of provision are, the more power the providers have. Eventually we all become slaves existing at the leisure of those who control the resources.

      I just realized after typing that last line that it sounds like some sort of socialist manifesto - at least when that line stands alone. Quit

    2. Re:I have commentary on the matter. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I find having a huge amount of possessions actually robs you of your independence.

      Stuff takes space. Space is expensive. You either have to live more expensively or with a worse quality of life surrounded by your stuff.

      Stuff for storing stuff is expensive and bulky. Cabinets, boxes, shelves all take up space.

      I agree completely. It cost when you buy it, it costs when you move it, it costs when you store it, and it costs in frustration when it's in the way. This is why I'm going DRM free digital on things, not using paper books, and consolidating disk media into binders that take less room. My personal footprint is getting reduced, though unfortunately my family has difficulty getting on the bandwagon so my household expands even as my personal stuff reduces.

      Tools are not "Stuff" tools are a means of making a living, and a reasonably large percentage of my personal footprint. Having the means on-hand is the difference between making money and not.

      Having a balance doesn't change the dependence argument. How much do you want to depend on others? I have my own tools because depending on an employer to have them means I won't have them when I need them - my tools make me more valuable.

      My argument wasn't that you should accumulate, my argument was that you should not be dependent - big difference. Ownership is often the opposite of dependence. Even when I was young and didn't own much and loved being mobile I had at least the minimum tools I needed to do my job. The millennials seem to expect everything to be provided by those who need the work done. I couldn't imagine a plumber showing up and asking me to provide the wrenches and pipe adhesive.

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  25. Nobody wants to own anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The next generation seems perfectly fine with renting everything. Maybe too the lack of a physical medium for content has created people who don't value digital as much anymore. I definitely think streaming has hurt the content creators in that they don't get as much royalties for streaming and in fact their album plays are much less as people only listen to certain tracks. I still buy digital albums because I like to hear all that a artist creates, but I do think I am part of a dying generation of people who sit and listen to entire albums.

  26. albums are a nice format by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    It adds a lot of dimension over singles when artists put songs together into a collection.

    I still think the easiest way to instantly pull together a playlist of thematically congruent music is to just plop 5 CDs in the changer. It lets you have just enough control while not wasting your time with fine grained song by song control of a shuffle playlist.

      I find it's way too much effort to assemble a long song by song playlist and do that many times. And it's never satisfying when pandora or amazon or apple synthesizes a "channel" for me, in part because I can't play it over again when I like the combination.

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  27. Like talking to my grandfather by bobbutts · · Score: 1

    You guys seem totally unaware that every major streaming service offers offline listening. Maybe the reason you don't like streaming services is because you haven't given them a fair chance.

    1. Re:Like talking to my grandfather by Nkwe · · Score: 1

      You guys seem totally unaware that every major streaming service offers offline listening. Maybe the reason you don't like streaming services is because you haven't given them a fair chance.

      Not a grandfather, but old enough to be one. I fully understand that I can listen offline. My concern is not about being able to listen offline in the short term, it is about being able to decide that I no longer want to pay the streaming service and yet still listen to the music that I have heard in the past. If I buy a CD (physical media) or an MP3 (non-DRM logical media), I can pay once and listen to it forever and no one else can decide that I can't. That freedom is important to me. If others don't want to pay a little more for that freedom and instead pay a recurring fee for a service that can be canceled, that is fine as well. Personally I do both, I subscribe to Pandora and Amazon music as a way to discover new stuff and a way to basically have commercial free radio. For the stuff I like and may want to hear again in the future, I buy the actual CD or MP3 albums. One other point that may be a generational thing (or may just be a music taste thing) - I like to listen to entire albums as opposed to single tracks in random order, this sort of listening pattern is hard to find with streaming services.

    2. Re:Like talking to my grandfather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the independent type, plus I'm a musician and serious collector of music. I've seen streaming services in action, and understand that for 99% of people it's a complete replacement for the personal collection, but for me it's not even a consideration. I do like online radio however -- the kind with a real human announcer (usually only jazz and classical stations do this). One thing I do like about streaming services is that they can introduce you to new artists or albums, which I may eventually add to my personal collection. I only buy used cds from an online store like secondspin.com.

      It's similar to the difference between a computer enthusiast who installs the OS themsleves, and a typical user who couldn't care less.

    3. Re:Like talking to my grandfather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be unaware that every one of these paid streaming service requires proprietary software; that even here in 2019 there still aren't standards so that you can just use whatever client you think is best. Unless you eschew those services and do it right (stream from your own server, where you've stored music that you can actually get your hands upon).

      I bet you don't even know what your computer is doing. And it's your computer! You're the reason malware still exists. You don't even know whether or not you're running malware. But I know whether or not I'm running malware..

      ..Except on my handheld computer (smartphone), which is probably about as shitty as yours. But some day... some day my phone won't be as shitty, and my no-regressions-allowed attitude is the only hope of it ever happening. Keep accepting regressions, though, and things won't get better, ever. Think about how the fuck you made the fateful decision to turn your media playing over to proprietary software. It's fucking insane.

  28. cue: but music today sucks! so why pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The "industry" has been eating its seed corn since they got pimp slapped by Jobs. Music will continue and there will be some musicians who aren't Mac jockey lab rats and streaming services will continue to make money on the previous golden eras catalog and hobbyist singer/songrockers but the support structure to generate audio tracks with the quality of last century is gone. No gigs for beginners, no audience except friends from work or college, no money for audio engineers or live production staff, no meritocracy anywhere except rappers. Disposable background to fill up space between selfies.

    You file sharing wankers of slashdot comment threads past got the culture you paid for: nothing. But you can listen to the great music of the past for free less the time/cost of one skippable youtube ad and it's enjoyable to watch youtube keeping spotify on a quarterly starvation diet.

  29. It doesn't matter... by fropenn · · Score: 1

    how much we gnash our teeth or complain - streaming will likely be the dominant music distribution method for the foreseeable future.

    Personally, I hate monthly subscription fees. $5 a month here, $10 a month there, and suddenly you are spending $1,000s a year on services - services that you once considered a splurge (like buying a new CD) are now required for you to maintain access to your entertainment.

    Between jobs, need to cut back on spending? Sorry. You'll have no entertainment this month because you have nothing to show for your years and years of monthly subscription fees to a streaming service. And there is something about having a physical copy of music to hold in my hand. It feels more real, more tangible, than gazing at an image on a screen.

    On the other hand, having recently moved boxes and boxes of CDs, many of which I haven't used in years, I can see the appeal of having access to nearly every song ever made through my phone for just $6!

    1. Re:It doesn't matter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The concern isn't necessarily about what's dominant, but rather, does it become so dominant that CDs stop being sold.

      Because if CDs stop being sold, then the next worry is that standard files will stop being sold. And if that ever happens, it'll mean piracy will be the only reasonable option left, for those who want to remain in control of their computers. It would be a shame if music ended up getting as fucked up as video has. I hate that I pirate all my TV and movies, but there simply aren't any other options, at least right now. But music has held strong, so far. I still pay for music.

      I wouldn't even care about the nickel-and-diming because, geez, I already pay more for my [we don't talk about it] providers and indexers, than Spotify and Netflix users pay. It was never about the money. But I am not going to start running weird software on my computers. No standards means no revenue from me, period. My machines aren't allowed to be out of control or unmaintainable, even if other people are ok with that shit.

  30. They Should Not Have Raised CD Prices by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    During the 1990s, the street price for a CD nearly doubled.

    It would have been interesting if they came out with a DVD density, credit-card sized CD, with 24bit/96khz uncompressed sound quality.

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  31. Radio Paradise... by bdwoolman · · Score: 1

    How about a listener sponsored human curated eclectic internet radio station? So, if I make my own playlist on Spotify I am limited sort of by what I know and already like. Algorithm-driven streams like Pandora also wind up feeding you what you already like in a way. I do subscribe to a paid streaming service and that is great when I know what I want. But I love to turn on Radio Paradise and let the expert DJs choose stuff that is sometimes new to me and often familiar as well. It is eclectic in taste, but so am I, from jazz to rock to classical one might get any cut.

    The new web player has a main stream, a rock stream, a mellow stream and a groovy (more ambient and psychedelic) stream. There is a smartphone app that lets you capture up to five hours on your phone for offline listening. Listener-sponsored so free unless you decide to kick in something. The DJs don't nag either. And they have forgotten more music than I have ever listened to. Let's not forget a song-relevant slideshow option.

    FYI I have no connection to this operation except that I like it and am a modest supporter. And am known to talk it up from time to time.

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  32. Ueah, its HARD to buy music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I try to get all my music DRM free as downloads on line but its hard to find all the music you want. I usually end up buying some independent stuff on Bandcamp instead of the stuff I started out looking for. Maybe that is a good thing though?

  33. There's no income from recorded music sales by Bugler412 · · Score: 1

    I have a number of close friends that are working musicians, indie types. Every one of them counts the recorded music sales these days (whatever format or method) as a promotional expense rather than an income opportunity. Their income is from live performance. Except for perhaps a tiny minority at the top of the charts, recorded music is dead as a moneymaker for working musicians.

  34. The real profit... by zarmanto · · Score: 1

    It may be worth mentioning that even back when record companies first started selling actual vinyl record albums, those sales were never the primary revenue source for the artists themselves; rather, concerts are and always have been their biggest income source by a pretty solid margin. So if you really want to support your favorite artist...

    1. Re:The real profit... by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 1

      It may be worth mentioning that even back when record companies first started selling actual vinyl record albums, those sales were never the primary revenue source for the artists themselves

      Record sales were a big slice of every famous, or even semi-famous, recording artist's income. If they were the primary revenue source or not, that varied from one musician or band to another. But they always were a big part. And I can assure you this is not hearsay.

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  35. I buy more by julian67 · · Score: 1

    I buy more physical media, CD and SACD, than ever. Reasons: there is a huge used market and it's very, very cheap. Even new discs are relatively cheaper than ever. Even SACDs are rippable now (by using certain older networked Blu-Ray/DVD/SACD players, see Computer Audiophile forum for details). I get a lossless audio disc which is simple to back up/duplicate/rip. With classical music I usually get a full booklet which I can scan, and often I can download a full pdf from the vendor/label.

    The only downside is physical storage space, but I quite like having shelves displaying my favourite music.

    I'm not a Luddite, I do sometimes buy digital downloads, but it's usually cheaper to obtain the physical media and do the rest myself.

  36. four significant digits by epine · · Score: 1

    In 2018, album sales fell 18.2 percent from the previous year and song sales fell 28.8 percent, according to U.S. year-end report figures from data company BuzzAngle, which tracks music consumption. Meanwhile, total on-demand music streams, including both audio and video, shot up 35.4 percent. Audio on-demand streams set a new record high in 2018 of 534.6 billion streams, which is up 42 percent from 2017's 376.9 billion streams.

    Four significant digits? Clearly the surveillance state is further along—and far better managed by the inerrant, wage-slave minions of the Deep State—than anyone heretofore suspected.

  37. Expectations by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I think the real difference is people who enjoy music vs people who listen to it. If you just listen you don't care what the song is or who its by as long as there's another one after.

    In which case there is no point in caring about ripping CDs. Just subscribe to a streaming service and be done with it or just listen to the radio.

    Speaking of data loss though, how long is streaming service x going to be available and what happens when it shuts down?

    Who cares? If one dies then switch to another. There will always be another. That's like asking how long a radio station is going to keep playing. You don't subscribe to that sort of service because you expect them to be around forever. Nice if it does but don't have unrealistic expectations.

    1. Re:Expectations by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      LMOL:

      "If one dies then switch to another. There will always be another. "

      Dumbest statement ever. I guess you like think music comes in two kinds: Country and Western.

    2. Re:Expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares? If one dies then switch to another. There will always be another.

      Yes, there will be another: another disappointment.

      No streaming service seems to be able to have peoples' whole collection. I just searched through Spotify, and while it was damn impressive (actually found several of my town's local bands, and an even larger fraction of the more-famous touring bands I've seen) and soundly beats the living shit out of Amazon and iTunes, it was simultaneously sad (it lacked most of my town's local bands, and well as quite a few others). They have so much, and yet, they still don't have everything that I do. If you have been collecting music for a few decades, every single music service (at least so far) is going to be disappointing. You will do without.

      I don't like doing without. I don't like regressions. I don't like downgrades being sold as upgrades. I don't like to lose.

      Is that an "unrealistic expectation"? The reason I don't think so, is because having-everything-I-have is trivially achievable by playing from my own collection. It's just something that someone else can't do for you. And yet: lazy, unmotivated, and yes, drunk people effortlessly do it for themselves, by walking up to merch tables and handing over ten dollar bills. All you've got to do is live in reasonably-large city's downtown entertainment district for a year of drunken debauchery, and you'll do things that multi-billion-dollar companies aren't doing. You'll find music that they don't sell. Routinely.

      Show me a streaming service, and I'll show you a sacrifice. When you say "there will be another" I have to laugh, because it'll just be another sacrifice. I might gain some music that the previous one didn't have, but I know I'll lose too, because nobody's collection is a superset of mine. And I still have less than 3000 CDs. My collection isn't really all that weird or huge. Get how hard this is? If you don't understand, then you haven't rocked out yet. And rock is a very popular genre. I can't imagine how bad the sacrifice would be if I were into something less mainstream than rock.

    3. Re:Expectations by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      If that's the dumbest statement you've ever heard you've lived a charmed life.

  38. Buy vs Rent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what happens if you "buy" a piece a music via a streaming service but later the service loses the rights?

    Then you're screwed. How do we enable an individual's "right to stream" as a form of ownership... or is music suddenly just ephemeral like listening to the radio?

    For stuff I really like, I'm sticking with buying CD and rip.

  39. All or part by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    For me, an "album" is a whole experience. The music (all of it), the artwork, the notes, pictures, etc.

    With that said, while I do keep all of that, I usually ditch the case (unless it's special too). Keeping the paper art work and then I rip to my media server and I do use that the most for listening.

    There's a ton of stuff that is NOT on streaming btw.

    I think what is missing in all of this is the number of folks that are "stealing", that is, downloading content without securing any rights at all or payment, esp. to the content producers (mainly talking about the artists). This number is significant btw, proabably accounting for 80-90% of those who are "listening" and not using a streaming service (something to think about).

  40. My days of media are almost over. by jason777 · · Score: 2

    I will never stream anything. I have enough music now to last the rest of my life. New stuff sucks anyways. As far as movies, I prefer high quality, hdr, 4k content on a high end home theater and sound system. I will never purchase a streamed pos low quality viewing. When they finally take away discs, I'm out. My plex server currently serves me around 32TB of movies. I'll just re-watch those till I die. Or, see what the pirates have in store for me for download.

    1. Re:My days of media are almost over. by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. I have a huge plex system but its not close to 32 TB. How many movies/series do you have, what codec do you have them encoded in? Bit rates and resolutions and how long have you been collecting?

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    2. Re:My days of media are almost over. by jason777 · · Score: 1

      Lol, ok I have 4x WD 8tb mybook drives sittin here plugged into usb 3. I have an extensive collection of DVD/bluray that I've purchased over the years. 2 full bookcases, and numerous racks. I also ripped and shipped every disc ive rented from netflix the last 10-15 years or howver long ive had netflix. In addition, I recently got a asus 4k pc drive with hacked firmware, and I've ripped my whole 4k collection, which takes like up to 100gb per movie. So yes bro, I've filled up the drives, granted the 4th drive isnt totally full. And also keep in mind, my music collection are on these drives too.

    3. Re:My days of media are almost over. by jason777 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and codec, lossless for music. And i rip to mkv for movies/uhd. Whatever makemkv does. Oh, I also copied a bunch of friends collections. Thats how I got so many movies and music. They appreciate the backup.

    4. Re:My days of media are almost over. by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      So you keep all your media in the native format off the disk and don't re-encode it with better codecs?

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  41. 'Streaming' is a trap by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    It's a trap and too many of you are falling for it.

  42. mp3 is obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With today's disk sizes and prices. MP3 and Vorbis are pretty much obsolete for acquisition and storage. It's all FLAC now, though I do encode with a lossy codec to send up over ADSL to the cell network for the car, hotel rooms, etc.

    On the home network, though, it's FLAC all the way to the speaker. (Even Chromecast Audio does FLAC, which is great for a back patio, where you're carrying the hardware out'n'in so you want it more compact than a "real computer." But I'm not necessarily recommending Chromecast because that's a sort of scary thing to allow on your LAN, so people need to think about what they really want.)

  43. NoFX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dinosaurs Will Die

  44. Live music by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Some very beautiful voices out there accompanied by some very beautiful women you get to chat up after their songs... Now thats music beautiful dinner music. :)

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  45. Re:The battery powered CD boomboxes are disappeari by Megane · · Score: 1

    I make a point to get clamshell CD players when I find them at by-the-pound thrift stores, particularly the ones with anti-skip support. I can go to Half Price Books, sit on the floor, then start listening through the clearance CDs. (they put the discs back in the cases when they go clearance, and the clearance section is usually the bottom row of the shelves) You can find a lot of cool stuff that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise, and it's only 2-3 bucks each. (sometimes that much for a 2 or 3 disc set!) If I get at least one good song per dollar, I'm doing good, more than that and it's a keeper.

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  46. Music is still region locked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can buy a physical CD from the UK and have it shipped to the USA but I've tried Amazon & iTunes and cannot purchase songs from their UK catalogs. It's DIGITAL, just a bunch of bit FFS.

  47. lul WUT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that a real site (I'm not googling that shit at work lol)? You understand you're talking about a Japanese album here, right? Rutracker sounds racist as fuck in that regard. U wanna egga row and flied lice wit dat?

    1. Re: lul WUT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've not gone to nor heard of rutracker before, but my first, and likely correct, guess as to what it is: RU tracker, probably a Russian BitTorrent tracker.

      You seem to see racism where there is none. Maybe that says more about you than the guy you are replying to.

    2. Re:lul WUT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrr, matey, the site is real and album is there, lossless even.

      I am really curious though about buying digital music from Japanese Amazon mentioned below. Does anyone know if it can be done from outside of Japan? Because it would be awesome.

  48. Keep what you kill, Riddick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His logic is sound. You only own what you can defend. If you cannot defend your body, then no, you don't own it. You're a slave. The old adage of "possession is 9/10ths the law" is part of ownership. That other 1/10th is your ability to keep it. I think those numbers are flipped since it's harder to fight an army, but the analogy works.

  49. FUCK YOUR GUNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like how all that screed was just a thinly veiled metaphor for your guns and manliness. I'm not even gonna quote the part where you slipped up and confessed it. You know where it is, you said it on purpose and figured no one but your gun buddies would notice.

    Hint for the other readers: it's not the commie part that he corrected. That was a distraction.

  50. Noise to signal ratio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is so much garbage rap and other boring repetitive excuses for music spewing out these days that those of us out of our teens canâ(TM)t find much we really care to buy.

  51. CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iâ(TM)ve never bought a digital download. Iâ(TM)ve found that buying the cd with included digital download on Amazon cheaper than buy just the digital download.

  52. can't buy them anymore by sad_ · · Score: 1

    all the shops where i was able to buy cd's are now gone, don't sell them anymore, or only in a few stores in the country (and those stores are too far to go to for buying cd's), i could probably still buy cd's online, i haven't really looked.
    why? because i just buy my music digital, download put it on my nas and i have it available everywhere, much better then a cd.
    i don't like streaming, i like owning my music (i know, i'm an old fart ).

    what i think is funny is that you can find vinyl everywhere, in a regular supermarket, last week i even found them in a diy shop (what the hell are they doing there?). i don't like vinyl (i know, i'm not hipster enough) but it is being sold, and the joke is that this medium doesn't have any drm measures in place. which is weird, because, you know, the music industry has been telling us it is impossible to survive without drm in place.

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  53. Loudness war by steveha · · Score: 1

    "The reason you think the older records are better is more likely to do with the quality of production, before the audio was stamped onto either media, in the 1970s, than it does the medium. "
    No, the reason it sounds better is because the music was better!

    There are cases where an album from the 1970's sounds great on vinyl and terrible on CD. The CD should sound better, and would sound better if correctly mastered, but many CDs are being mastered poorly.

    It is not possible to master vinyl that poorly. Vinyl can't do as much as a CD can, which turns out to be good when people are doing dumb things and the vinyl just doesn't allow the dumb things.

    To be specific we are talking about mastering CDs with the gain set way too high, on the incredibly dumb theory that "louder" CDs sell better. Overgained CDs have measurable defects and a human listener can hear the difference.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

    I used to work at an audio company, and my boss analyzed a few very popular songs. In one of them he found that 50% of all samples in the song were the most extreme sample value possible. (Since CDs are 16-bit, what he found was that 50% of all samples had the value +32767 or the value -32768.) I used Audacity to look at one popular song and was depressed to find 15 samples in a row that were +32767. Audio is supposed to be a waveform, but that was clearly an example of a waveform so overgained that the top of the wave had to be sliced off. It's bad enough when it happens at all, but 15 samples in a row? That's just awful.

    I have some Genesis CDs that I bought as soon as they were available. I've been told that more recent releases of the same albums on CD are overgained and sound worse than the old ones I have.

    So it's not simply that the older music was better; the "loudness war" can ruin old music and new music alike.

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