Netflix Cancels The Punisher and Jessica Jones, Ending its Marvel Shows (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Netflix is officially no longer producing Marvel's live-action shows. The streaming service has canceled both The Punisher and Jessica Jones, according to Deadline, with the latter's third season set to debut as the last batch of Marvel live-action episodes on Netflix. "We are grateful to Marvel for five years of our fruitful partnership and thank the passionate fans who have followed these series from the beginning," a Netflix representative told Deadline. Netflix didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

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And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Stop paying to license terrible IP and write something. CGI and bad-dialogue an original plot, rehashing Marvel shit over and over is OVER!

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[alvinrod]

Would it really matter if they came up with some original IP though? It's still almost certainly going to be the same super hero narratives we've seen time and time again. I think that the real issue is that the market has had too much super hero stuff dumped on it so it doesn't feel nearly as special as it originally did. I wonder if westerns will ever make a comeback.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[PsychoSlashDot]

Stop paying to license terrible IP and write something. CGI and bad-dialogue an original plot, rehashing Marvel shit over and over is OVER!

You're obviously a troll, but there's something to be learned here. There was great value with the Netfix Marvel shows for people who aren't comic book devotees.

For us, those shows have been fresh, (mostly) well-done, and most importantly entertaining. They're not the over-the-top comic book material like the movies. They're just accessible, interesting shows about extraordinary people.

I for one would have gladly watched another season or two of "that show with the blind lawyer struggling to reconcile his sense of duty and his sense of morality", or even another season of "that rich guy who was raised by monks and had to learn how to interact with Western adult culture while being a martial arts deity's avatar".

But no. The Mouse needs to be fed.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Westerns have already had several comebacks. The ones that are well-written, casted and well-cine'graphed work out, the shitty ones do not. The same can be said for superhero movies. Marvel rehashes have none of that.

It's pure CGI bullshit and bullshit dialogue. The pacing is bullshit. The cinematography is bullshit. Everything is Disney-fied. We've seen this since the SW prequels, the genre isn't just dead, it was murdered.

Of course a witty writer and artistic team could make a superhero movie work. Or a western, or anything else. The issue is that's not what the studio formula blockbuster idiots call for and demand, over and over.

Marvel shite needs to die for the good of cinema.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anubis IV]

CGI

If you're gonna troll, at least know the material you're working with, since you're clearly outing yourself with a comment about CGI (and your other complaints are similarly off-base). Unlike the Marvel films, the Netflix/Marvel shows are remarkably light-handed in their use of CGI. About the most notable instance of it between Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, The Defenders, and Punisher is that Iron Fist's fist glows occasionally.

That's really about it. No super metal suits. No big green monsters. No gods of thunder. No wizards. No flying aircraft carriers. No aliens. Just five people, some with modest powers, none who want to be called "hero", all with serious personal issues that get explored, each entirely different in tone and style from the other, but every one of them engaged in street-level vigilantism set in a universe where the civilization-ending events of the movies are off-handedly mentioned about once a season so that you know those events are part of the fabric of the world in which these people live and operate.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[nucrash]

Your comment mirror's my thoughts on the matter. The shows themselves weren't that bad. They were entertaining, but not always trying to set the bar to some world ending adventure. They were closer to home, far more local, and a bit more personal. You managed to get to know the character and develop a sort of understanding with them instead of the rushed CGI drivel you get with a big screen adaptation.

I cancelled Netflix some time ago though, back when they started raising their prices. I think I am going to leave the television to my wife and focus on reading or developing. I will say that the quality of television is far better than it was a decade ago, but I don't like how I lose track of time watching shows when binging. I feel unproductive and I want a better use of my time.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[jellomizer]

The problem I have seen with Netflix Marvel is the fact it was 1990's dark comic book movie format. Much like how DC makes it movies.
The formula for continuing story, arch and light harted filler seems to be off for me. While die hard fans and critics hate filler, the normal people actually like to see this from time to time, it helps us understand and relate better with the characters without the doom and gloom of a constant threat.
The DC Animated TV Universe seemed to do a good job at this. While a dark hero like Datman is Dark and moody, they had episodes where he wasn't under a major threat, and the point of the story wasn't if he won or lost but just to see how he would react.
The Marvel movies even seem to have time to lighten things up for a little bit, but being a 2 hour movie, you don't need to keep a long complex arch going on.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anubis IV]

If the best you've got is tired ad hominem, you're clearly not working with much. Slashdot deserves better trolls. Step up your game if you're going to keep trying to swim with the adults.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[slazzy]

Build an online business instead. So much more fun than watching TV.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

>the problem - idiots. Idiots who enjoy terrible dialogue, CGI, and zero-depth characterization. You're just simple.

>Yes, simple people can be robbed of $20 repeatedly, that's proven by Marvel movies. What you're demonstrating is a devotion to that ideal and a lack of understanding of what makes quality cinema last.

Marvel's "Black Panther" is an Academy Award nominee. It was selected by nominee ballots voted on by members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, an organization comprised of 8,000 motion picture professionals. But I guess they're a bunch of idiots too, right?

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Mister Transistor]

There have been a few decent ones recently. The Ballad of Buster Scruggs by the Cohen bros. was pretty good, and there have been some recent Quentin Tarantino western-esque movies lately that were arguably decent.

And then there were some westerns in disguise, like Star Trek TOS and that whole Star Wars Ep. IV thing. They never really went away, they just morphed into one branch of Sci-Fi.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Luckyo]

No, but they have an inquisition staring them down, looking for any sign of face crime. Should any of them so much as flinch, they'll be crucified as "racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, [insert new favourite insult of the intersectional fanatics here]".

That movie was average at best. But it had blacks as main cast, and the same inquisition has been desperately trying to crucify Hollywood crowd for "insufficient representation of blacks at awards". Remember "Oscars so white" in spite of the fact that black representation was pretty much equal to percentage of population that blacks are in US?

And when the beast of that ferocity and insanity is ogling you, salivating in hunger for blood, you'll throw it anything to get it to look at someone else. Which is exactly what's happening there.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[jellomizer]

Westerns popular during the 1950's while had some fad revivals. I feel more or less not relatable to most people. Back in the 1950's it covered a simpler time 100 years ago. 100 years from 2019 is 1919 (World War I has ended, Automobiles, Radio, Electric Lights) in Short we have a new world that is relatable to. I can probably see Gangster movies being popular instead of Westerns. This can open the door to some interesting stories. Because a lot of the 1920's there was a lot of interesting Gray areas America wants to celibate after WWI, Prohibition is in effect, creating an interesting black market with a variety of people engaged in it. Politically things are building up to the Great Depression and WWII.

To those in the 1950's the 1920's were much of this was too soon for them, however Westerns in a world where there was the ideal freedom, even though it seemed that something was always trying to kill them. The lone Sharif in a lawless town, a simpler time with simpler solutions.
Today I think such simple solutions to problems will not last long, we need a more complex story.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

It was god awful. So disjointed I couldn't be bothered watching the end.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Nazi crybaby comic book INCEL whines about liberals, news at 11.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[alvinrod]

Yeah, there's been some good films recently (and maybe the limited quantity ensures only the better ones get made), but not as much as far as television series go. Sure there're shows the borrow elements (Firefly was often described as a western in space, but even that's getting close to two decades old now) but even those tend to trickle out.

I recently started reading a book on the history of the Comanches and I think a show centering around them and the U.S. expansion into their territory would be amazing. Modern television shows (especially those not done by networks) can do a better job of showing just how brutal history was.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Mister Transistor]

It was disjointed because there were several unrelated short stories, perhaps?

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[goose-incarnated]

"that rich guy who was raised by monks and had to learn how to interact with Western adult culture while being a martial arts deity's avatar".

Which one is that?

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Iron Fist

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[j33px0r]

Firefly was the Best Western in the last 20 years

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Seriously? No one cares. Slashdot is shithole. It use to stand for something but today it's just another dump for the meaningless.
 
But who the fuck am I fooling? You got a 7 digit UID. You don't have a fucking clue why Slashdot use to be respected. That was in the days well before you even knew Slashdot existed.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[CaptainDork]

I agree about super heroes.

Marvel reinvented origins and introduced, say, Supergirl who actually, according to the story line, preceded Superman and stuff.

The crossovers and mixes are terrible. And the goddam stable of superheroes and villains is ridiculous.

The effect is similar to what happened to 3D: If the story line sucks, no amount of makeup is going to save the offering.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[CaptainDork]

The plot lines for westerns is formulaic and still around. Star Wars is a good example.

There are good guys and bad guys, mystery, romance, and conflict.

Rinse, repeat.

The trend these days is to forego creativity and reboot old products and inject them with steroids.

Still, even with CGI, the plot remains the same.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[CaptainDork]

Build this:

I put a list of items I want to buy into my phone.

- Back scratcher
- Glass wipes
- Magnifying glass
- Earplugs
- Camera batteries

Then, when GPS detects I'm 25 yards from a store that has one of those, flag me. I can snooze or make the purchase.

Another:

I want a small tile that does nothing but read temperature (do me a water detector as well) that I can stick anywhere and set alarms on my phone and stuff. I'll put one near the stove and I want a perimeter alarm to go off if the ambient temp is above 120F when I'm driving off.

The hardware needs to be cheap so I can buy a bunch.

I'm a photographer and I have 12 cameras set out around the property. Neighbours ask why so many and I point to my T-shirt that says, "PHOTOGRAPHER."

Let me know when my stuff's ready.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[CaptainDork]

"ad hominem" comes to us from the Greeks (ca. Moby Dick was a minnow) and is a concatenated corruption of the phrase, "advertisement for pre-humans."

We have found those in billboard form in some caves and stuff.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Beverly Hills Ninja.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

While a dark hero like Datman is Dark and moody

Datman is Sony IP, not Marvel or DC...

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder if this is due to Disneyâ(TM)s plans for their online streaming service?

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Die in a fire, racist. Your omission of the BIGGEST genre is telling.

What is the BIGGEST genre and why is the omission racist? That is such a weird comment.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[DontBeAMoran]

Describing Firefly as a fucking western is what killed it, as far as marketing goes.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

That's what it was though. What killed it was trying to market it as anything other than a space Western.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

That's because all of the attention around Black Panther was heavily politicized and not at all because of the quality of the film itself.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I was utterly unaware that Marvel created Supergirl.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

"that rich guy who was raised by monks and had to learn how to interact with Western adult culture while being a martial arts deity's avatar".

Which one is that?

"Iron Fist". You're not missing anything. The guy who's supposed to be a kung fu master moves worse than the average 10 year old soccer player and sound dumber than one when he talks.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes. Just look at what was passed over to enshrine BP.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[lgw]

Star Wars at least mixed it up a bit: the literal black hats and literal white hats were both bad guys.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

> That movie was average at best.

The entire recent glut of superhero movies can be described as such. I find it funny that there's such a hatedom for DC movies when they are just about the same as Marvel and X-Men movies. (Hell, Guardians of the Galaxy might be the worst of the bunch, yet there's a ton of people that like it.)

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Firefly was killed by studio execs that insisted that the show have much more on-screen sex and romance. The execs killed it out of spite when they didn't get what they wanted.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[CaptainDork]

It was classic WWII. Storm troopers anyone?

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

That, and FOX played them out of order.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

A "motion picture professional" is by definition an idiot. The camera and lighting people and such have some narrow technical skills, but other than that every last one is a vapid, pampered, insulated, narcissistic, pointless waste of human life.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope... Fox killed it. They changed the order of episodes from the original Joss Whedon script/plot. They moved it to Friday Night (where good shows go to die) so fans of SciFi could choose to watch it at home or go watch the latest movie at the cinema. This was tragic. Fox sent way too many series to die in the Friday night slot.

Firefly was a concept... a western set in the future that could-have-been. I mean seriously. Riding Horses? Guns on your hip? Outlaw territories that were controlled by "desperados". What more do you want?

https://www.looper.com/56266/firefly-storylines-never-got-see/

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[Anonymous Coward]

Hell yeah ... it was a space western and it was bloody fantastic at it.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey, aren't you the idiotic faggot who keeps telling people to eat microplastic because "it's fine, it causes zero health problems" and other obvious bullshit? Yeah you are, faggot.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

If Firefly was a western than so is Westworld, which means Westworld was the best western.

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[4wdloop]

I wish they pick up some of the Sanderson's books. Either from Mistborn or Reconers series.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Seriously, that first season of Iron Fist was some of the worst programming I've watched in the past two decades. I found it hard to believe Netflix left their name on it. For having trained as a monk for a few years, the protagonist has some absolutely horrendous ADHD issues, can barely fight, and has so little patience you think you're watching a puppy run around a candy store. So bad.

I think it existed to make their other Marvel endeavors look that much better by comparison.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Black panther was pretty ridiculous. I mean, some meteorite lands in an area, and somehow that supports a tiny, hidden city-state to make amazing technology, but there was no industry to be seen. Who of their people invented the airplane? Where are the airfields? Why no space travel? How did they make all this awesome stuff with no pollution? Trying to sell super advanced weapons to the general world populace, but there doesn't seem to be an artillery range anywhere. Did they somehow master radio long before everyone else? Does some exotic metal magically recycle plastic? Where are they getting the oil for the plastic? Where are the mines to harvest metal to make their stuff? Why are some people living in huts and caves when they have high speed maglev trains and force fields? Some future if they can't have a house that withstands a rainstorm. Where the hell was that train going anyway? Oh well, maybe I'm just thinking that the average Wakandan is getting screwed by the man who gets to jetset around the world with super powers and Black Widow while others have to live in huts with some one armed pseudo Russian from Queens that can't stand a book being read to him or manage to get a shower.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Aighearach]

In the olden days, we had monstrous goat trolls that could even attack us with ASCII... pictographs. And hot grits.

Darn whippersnappers think mild homophobia is edgy, or something. Stay away from history books, kids, it will scar your innocent eyes.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Darinbob]

The first Jessica Jones season seemed pretty original to me, and wasn't like Jessica Jones in the comics either. Of course, probably those superfans who've read every Marvel comic ever will claim it's just a rehash of a story already done (Simpson's did it!).

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Where is your successful movie?

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[Anonymous Coward]

If you think the academy voted for the quality of the movie, rather than what it represents, you are seriously deluded.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Luckyo]

Still not calling you back after fucking you in the ass for that idiotic anti-science spiel a few months ago. No matter how hard you stalk me on slashdot.

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[sg_oneill]

I think this is why Defenders never really hit the mark as well as the individual character shows did. You didn't really get to spend the time with the individual characters, and while it did have a few great things (The interactions between Rand and Cage where a great callback to the Heroes for Hire comics) it lacked the real local feel of the others. It was an epic world-ender scenario with a magical foe and the stuff that makes the movies fun, but the movies are fun because its the massive overkill cinema experience where you leave your brain at the door and just enjoy Iron man punching bad guys heads off. What makes the Netflix shows work is the local scale of things, the personal peril and the neighborhood, and Defenders just didn't feel like that. Frankly the final battle against the hand and the stakes involved is the kind of thing where the Avengers ought have swooped in and said 'Thanks for holding the fort kids, but this is a job for the big green guy. By the way, Luke, you need to send us your resume. The rest of you, keep being you!". It was just the wrong scale for Netflix.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

For the most part, I agree, but:

"Why are some people living in huts and caves when they have high speed maglev trains and force fields?"

The USA has put people on the moon, and has a homeless population, and populations that live without electricity or running water. Many "advanced" nations have similar issues of incredible technology yet some population that lives like they're barely out of the iron age.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

It ain't that at all, it's just not worth the effort to be a real troll here anymore. Slashdot is dead. It's better just to tell the faggots to go fuck themselves and move on from there.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Asshole Nazi INCEL anonymously accuses another anonymous user of being a nazi INCEL.

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[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

Batman

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[EvilSS]

Build this:

I put a list of items I want to buy into my phone.

- Back scratcher - Glass wipes - Magnifying glass - Earplugs - Camera batteries

Then, when GPS detects I'm 25 yards from a store that has one of those, flag me. I can snooze or make the purchase.

This is a great idea. Also you could alert the retailer, so they could send alerts if they are having a sale on one of those items. And have it send the retailer your contact info so they can get in touch to see if you want the items delivered instead. Or partner with delivery services to have drivers show up at your house with those goods to see if you want to buy them.

Someone should get on this now! You could make a fortune!

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[ShieldW0lf]

Let's not kid ourselves. I can build a campfire every night of the week that has greater rewatchability than anything Hollywood has ever made.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[AmiMoJo]

Jessica Jones season 1 was some of the best TV in years. A genuinely compelling and fresh antagonist really made it.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Faggot! Faggot, faggot, FAGGOT! Yay, I said the word "faggot"! I'm so cool! I'm gonna be just like the AC faggot troll when I grow up!

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[CaptainDork]

Sadly, I'm 73 years old, and a retired IT guy.

Past my prime (Einstein IIRC was 26), I expended my brilliance mastering Lotus 123 macros and, later, Microsoft Access database.

I spent my learning time honing the skills I needed to be the best among my peers.

I have no desire to do a deep dive into apps, though I do extremely admire those who do that.

I truly need a geeky grand nephew or niece to step up and design for me. They are too busy avoiding vaccinations.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

Not only that, but in their recent push for awareness of social justice issues, Marvel's Supergirl is now a bi-racial (African and Hispanic) cross-dressing boy.

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[PsychoSlashDot]

Jessica Jones season 1 was some of the best TV in years. A genuinely compelling and fresh antagonist really made it.

Agreed. Season 2 unfortunately couldn't compare though I stuck it through because it wasn't bad. With the ending I have some hopes for season 3, especially to see what they do with Trish.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[lgw]

Nazi storm troopers wore black. The Imperial storm troopers wore white. I always though that was one of the best design choices in SW - otherwise the symbology was a bit too "on the nose" and shallow.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

I love sci if shows that cop out and use cowboy sets.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Temperature sensing = If you're willing to experiment, you could try this page:
https://www.willward1.com/arduino-wifi-tutorial/

It uses an arduino board and tweets the temperature, then you could probably use IFTTT (https://ifttt.com/) rule to set the threshold and create an alert.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[apoc.famine]

For us, those shows have been fresh, (mostly) well-done, and most importantly entertaining. They're not the over-the-top comic book material like the movies.

I actually thought Batman vs Superman did this for the first half of the movie. It raised some very good philosophical questions about morality and the potential liabilities of having an unaccountable, unkillable demigod exist in the world. It asked if Superman was necessary and sufficient for justice to exist in the world. It asked where the line was when being tough on crime shifts into crimes against humanity.

If they could have just let Superman and Batman be the complicated quasi-villains they were set up to be, and hadn't thrown in a kitchen sink of other poorly-thought-out characters with no inherent purpose or value to the story, it would have been really good. Who wins? If Superman wins, will he kill Batman, or try to reform him? If Batman wins and really does kill Superman, how does the world react? What are the long-term implications? Does Batman shift to really evil in the process of trying to kill Superman? Are there casualties as the two go to war, that both would have rather avoided?

But no, we interrupt the scheduled complicated and interesting story to inject a couple of villains, another hero or two, and then destroy half the city with a giant monster which almost kills the heroes but which does not. Because of Batman's crafty weapon and Superman's self-sacrifice and bravery. Two heroes, dong what they always do, in every single. god. damn. superhero. movie. ever.

The Batman vs Superman in my head is a hell of a lot more interesting than that. The part where Batman has to choose between killing Superman and letting him save someone he loves is particularly gripping. It's a shock when he kills Superman, because it drives home how much of a threat he thinks he is. But what he didn't realize was how much the threat of Superman made people toe the line. With Superman dead, crime gets way worse, and when called on it he tries to argue that freedom is more important. But the mob doesn't get that, and turns on him. Batman flees and recruits a small army, and the city gets overwhelmed with crime. He sweeps back in and restores very brutal order, and there is a mix of cheer and despair. Gotham sort-of returns to normal, but at what price?

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[mpercy]

"The Batman vs Superman in my head is a hell of a lot more interesting than that. The part where Batman has to choose between killing Superman and letting him save someone he loves is particularly gripping. It's a shock when he kills Superman, because it drives home how much of a threat he thinks he is. But what he didn't realize was how much the threat of Superman made people toe the line. With Superman dead, crime gets way worse, and when called on it he tries to argue that freedom is more important. But the mob doesn't get that, and turns on him. Batman flees and recruits a small army, and the city gets overwhelmed with crime. He sweeps back in and restores very brutal order, and there is a mix of cheer and despair. Gotham sort-of returns to normal, but at what price?"

So a minor variant on the general plot line of Miller's The Dark Knight? in which Batman and all the other supers except Big Blue himself are gone, or rendered moot (in at least one case by Supes himself), and even Supes is basically a political tool kept invisible to the populace. Gotham is a crime-filled cesspool run by gangs unchecked. Batman and Superman fight to the death, with Superman left knowing that Batman could have killed him, but chose not to. Batman's own death via heart attack, having been faked, is short lived, and he begins recruiting and training a new Batman army.

One thing the Batman vs Superman movie gave us was a glimpse into a (vision or dream?) future with a bad Superman and Batman's underground. One thing that always struck me in Miller's Batman was how BIG batman is relative to normal folks, a feature not normally included in any of the movies. But that future scene has Batman fighting Superman's ground troops and it was setup so that Batman looks huge compared to the troops. I appreciated that almost more than anything else in the movie.

Re:And nothing of value was lost.

[Anubis IV]

Seriously? No one cares.

It's a bit sad that you don't realize the absurdity in trying to assert "no one does X" as a response to someone demonstrating X.

But who the fuck am I fooling? You got a 7 digit UID.

Having failed at getting a rise via banal homophobia, you're now falling back on the juvenile staple of saying my e-peen is small? What next? Suggest my mother is an easy woman? Respond with "nah uh!"? Insult my face? Sling gratuitous vulgarity?

I'll say it again: step up your game. At this point, given the caliber of trolling taking place, I'm forced to question whether you were even alive at the time that I discovered Slashdot in 2001.

Re: And nothing of value was lost.

[Anonymous Coward]

There was very little CGI in the Netflix shows. That you keep making the same comment indicates that you haven't seen any of them and your opinion is based purely on your assumptions.

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[CaptainDork]

Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it.

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[aquacrayfish]

Funniest comment I've read in a few weeks. Thanks!

I can't wait

[Anonymous Coward]

The /. armchair art critics must be falling over themselves in a rush to comment on how happy they that these shows were cancelled because one of the following: a) Netflix originals suck b) they're tired of Marvel/superhero stories c) too mainstream and action oriented; not about an autistic kid sitting in a Eastern European shack doing math on a menstrual-blood soaked bathroom floor.

Re:I can't wait

[Oswald McWeany]

The /. armchair art critics must be falling over themselves in a rush to comment on how happy they that these shows were cancelled because one of the following: a) Netflix originals suck b) they're tired of Marvel/superhero stories c) too mainstream and action oriented; not about an autistic kid sitting in a Eastern European shack doing math on a menstrual-blood soaked bathroom floor.

Honestly, I do think the Marvel shows have been rather crap on Netflix, so not bothered that they're being cancelled personally. However, I wouldn't say I'm "Happy" about it- because it doesn't really impact me. I'm already not watching them after having bailed after a few episodes of each, it's not going to make me watch them less now they're gone.

The only goodside of it will be if the money gets redirected for something I enjoy more.

Not liking the marvel shows does not equate to not liking action btw... it just means liking better written (subjective I know) shows.

Re:I can't wait

[OneHundredAndTen]

To each his own. I remember that Marvel superheroes stories were nice when I was a teenager. Starting in my 20s, I have found them repetitive, preposterous and just plain boring ever since. And I find it difficult to take those superheroes seriously when they don such ridiculous outfits. Like I said, to each his/her own.

Re: I can't wait

[Anonymous Coward]

Too much padding.

Re:I can't wait

[Anonymous Coward]

${thing} was better when I was younger!

Sad that others went as well

[SuperKendall]

I can see dropping Jessica Jones and Punisher, I'm having trouble even finishing season two of Punisher and JJ was getting a bit repetitive.

What I was more sad to see go, was Luke Cage - that still had some interesting story left to tell. Iron fist I never even watched so I guess I can't be too sad that is gone as well.

I have to say though, that I'm enjoying Netflix's Umbrella Academy more than any new Marvel content, whose world is at this point generally over-worked.

Re: Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

You don't seem to be aware that Disney is launching their own streaming platform later this year and they own the Marvel franchise.
Even though these shows are being reported as "canceled", they aren't being terminated. They'll just be moved to new studios and production is going to continue.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[fluffythedestroyer]

Not an expert on Marvel but I didn't see the link between marvel's current set of characters (batman, superman...blah blah ) and these ones so maybe with time when people noticed the lack of the link between them they slowly gave up. Perhaps its that lighting man black dude which I really laughed at and was so stupid. Too much clichés were used and I found it cringy.

To be honest, my favorite was The punisher. The rest was really sad and worthless

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Kargan]

> Iron fist I never even watched so I guess I can't be too sad that is gone as well.

You're not missing anything, Iron Fist was terrible. Let's cast someone with no martial arts skills in a role as the world's greatest martial artist, and while we are at it, let's make sure they are anything but a compelling actor. But hey, we got his race correct!

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

marvel's current set of characters (batman, superman...blah blah ) ...

WTF? Those are DC characters, and have nothing to do with Marvel.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Insanity Defense]

Not an expert on Marvel but I didn't see the link between marvel's current set of characters (batman, superman...blah blah ) and these ones so maybe with time when people noticed the lack of the link between them they slowly gave up. Perhaps its that lighting man black dude which I really laughed at and was so stupid. Too much clichés were used and I found it cringy.

You don't see the link because those aren't Marvel characters. Batman and Superman are DC comics not Marvel Comics.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[UnknownSoldier]

I (mildly) enjoyed it (only because I wanted to find out what happens next) but yeah I have to 100% agree with your analysis.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[_xeno_]

Not an expert on Marvel but I didn't see the link between marvel's current set of characters (batman, superman...blah blah ) and these ones so maybe with time when people noticed the lack of the link between them they slowly gave up.

As other people have pointed out, you're mixing universes. However, you're still right: each show is conceptually happening along with the Marvel Cinematic Universe, meaning that minor things like Thanatos wiping out half of all life in the universe should have happened at the same time as these shows.

Except we never get to see any of the "major" Marvel characters like Iron Man or Thor, despite the fact that conceptually - at the same time these shows are happening - the events of the movies are occurring. Instead we get vague references to things like "the Incident."

To be honest, my favorite was The punisher.

Probably because a major point of The Punisher is that he's just a guy. He has no super powers. He's just a guy in a crappy situation who decides to take matters into his own hands. It makes him far more relatable than the other characters who all have various super powers to fall back on.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

That might be because none of the characters you're talking about (batman, superman...blah blah) are Marvel characters. They belong to DC.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Mitreya]

I can see dropping Jessica Jones and Punisher,

I can't speak for Punisher, but drop in the quality of Jessica Jones between Season 1 and Season 2 was very noticeable.
Season 1 was great (with a very clear villain), while somewhere halfway or so through Season 2 I just stopped watching.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[bloodhawk]

Both Luke Cage and Iron Fist were steaming turds. The first series of Luke Cage was ok, but the second was more than enough reason to cancel the show without any of the other netflix/marvel licensing stuff happening. Iron Fist had no redeeming qualities at all.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

If they would have at least had the sense to put a mask on Iron Fist a stunt double could have been used for the martial arts.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[fluffythedestroyer]

uhh Doesn't Justice League have all of them from Superman to Ironman ?

Re:Sad that others went as well

[walterbyrd]

Punisher season 2 was not good either.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

While the first season was one of the lowest of any MCU show that isn't Inhumans, it wasn't as bad as has become cliche to say, and season 2 was much improved

Re:Sad that others went as well

[ChoGGi]

Justice League + Superman are DC, Ironman is Marvel.

Re: Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

There's a two year moratorium on any property that Netflix had a hand in. It's not just going to move and pick right back up. There's some real pie-in-the-sky thinking going on when it comes to these properties. I can't believe the number of people hoping and praying to be able to toss more money at the mouse house for still more drivel.w

Re:Sad that others went as well

[quantaman]

> Iron fist I never even watched so I guess I can't be too sad that is gone as well.

You're not missing anything, Iron Fist was terrible. Let's cast someone with no martial arts skills in a role as the world's greatest martial artist, and while we are at it, let's make sure they are anything but a compelling actor.

The problem wasn't the actor's martial arts skills or his acting ability. It was casting the wrong actor for the part.

I don't know what they thought the character was going to be, but they seemed to have built it entirely out of traits that were outside Finn's range.

But hey, we got his race correct!

There was a push for an Asian actor but I think Iron Fist was one of the few roles where you really don't want to change the actor's race, or more specifically don't want an Asian actor.

A central point of the character was supposed to be that he didn't belong anywhere. Living in Kun Lun meant he didn't belong in New York anymore, but being a rich kid from New York meant he would never really belong in Kun Lun either.

With an Asian actor a bunch of the audience would see Kun Lun as his proper home instead of seeing him between worlds.

Of course, even with that set up you still need the proper writing, casting, and directing to pull it off.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[ChoGGi]

Heck, that iron fists movie RZA did was more entertaining...

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

They shouldn't have killed off Micro.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

I think it's a case of them knowing it was going to be cancelled, and having to rewrite/compress their plan for seasons 2 & 3 into one season.

Among other things the timescales didn't really match up. i.e.
The being hunted by John Pilgrim stuff would have been on the scale of days to weeks, and was probably originally a much more fleshed out main story.
Whereas the Billy Russo stuff would have been on the order of weeks to months for him to escape, get his memories back and build up a new private army etc.
This would have been happening in the background in order for him to properly become Jigsaw as the main villan in season 3.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[markdavis]

>"You're not missing anything, Iron Fist was terrible."

Well, at least I found it more interesting than Punisher season 2. I swear, I have tried for weeks to watch it. I have fallen asleep over and over during watching after the 3rd episode and can't seem to get past episode 5.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[sg_oneill]

Punisher was fantastic for both seasons. Jessica Jones first season was amazing, but the second season while not BAD just wasnt the same ,largely down to the villain. Daredevil was predictably pretty good but never quite gripped me. Iron man, terrible first season, fantastic second season.

Luke cage was my man. I frigging loved everything about those two seasons and I'm sad it had to end. It really felt like there was more of that story to tell (Particularly with the semi-cliffhanger S2 ends up in with Cage compromised and potentially falling from grace)

Regardless, I would love to see Cage brought into the broader MCU. A Black Panther/Luke Cage buddy film would be amazing. You could picture it. Danny Rand introduces his friend Cage to his new Billionaire buddy Black Panther, the two hit it off, with Panther thinking Cage would be good to have on staff for his US outreach. Then the big bad happens and the two of them go off to save the world. I'd watch the *shit* out of that.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[hairyfeet]

It didn't have shit to do with stories or where to go with the series, its the fact that Disney is starting their own streaming service and removing all Disney and Marvel content from Netflix so they would be giving money to the company trying to put them out of business.

I do have to say thank you to all the corps though, as its pretty obvious piracy is gonna make a HUGE comeback thanks to the asshat corps wanting ALL of the money or none of the money making watching legal content a giant clusterfuck and as someone who thinks copyrights have been pushed waaaay beyond original intent? I'm all for the masses giving as little money to these assholes as possible.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Monster_user]

Coca Cola vs Pepsi.

DC Comics/The Justice League (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, the Atom, etc.) along with the "Legends of Tomorrow", and Constantine, and Black Lightning, would be like Coca Cola.

Marvel/The Avengers (Captain America, Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor, Black Widow, War Machine, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Spiderman, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, Ms. Marvel, etc.) along with the "Guardians of the Galaxy", S.H.I.E.L.D, and the Netflix series (Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, The Punisher), and peripherally the X-Men and Deadpool, would be Pepsi.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

I watched Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. the first two or three seasons. At first it was interesting and fun to watch. But then it got boring and frustrating. The good guys capture a bad guy, and then his friends free him. Then one of our people gets captured, and good guys free him/her. We get new allies, we lose allies. Someone's deep, dark secret is revealed. Blah, blah.

The only part that I liked was Melinda May fight scenes, which were awesome.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[WarBrood]

I didn't expect much from Punisher. Suprisingly, the plot, personal issues of protagonists, "climate" - it all clicked. It's not yet another super hero series. I am going to miss it.

Re: Sad that others went as well

[sg_oneill]

Jon Bernthal was amazing. An absolute fireball of rage and violence but still able to portray a character that at heart is big hearted lonely guy who just wants to protect people , even if by means of killing everything that moves. It can't be easy to make such a contradictory character believable let alone relatable

Re: Sad that others went as well

[sg_oneill]

By iron man read iron fist. Slashdot really needs the ability to edit posts especially in the mobile era

Re:Sad that others went as well

[RuiFRibeiro]

And apparently, also got the "correct sex" in the 2nd series, where at the end of the series it is revealed the star of the show is a woman. Ugh!

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem WAS the actor's martial arts skill.

Before you call me retarded hear me out.

The actor they cast would have great in a character-driven story, one where we were totally invested in Danny's development over a season, where he overcame terrible obstacles without powers and then, at the end, became the Iron Fist.

Instead, they started him out AFTER he became the I.F., dropped him into New York as a fish out of water and had him resolve all of his problems with martial arts. For that I want a big bad mammer-jammer who can kick ass and not worry about any little threats.

As long as he had his powers just start off throwing trucks at him and let it be a fun kung-fu action fest like it's supposed to be. Instead, Netflix had him "reveal" his powers little by little over a whole season and then angst about using them.

Wasted character. Wasted story. Wasted actor.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

Iron Man and Man of Steel. There is your link. Checkmate, nerds!

Re:Sad that others went as well

[raketman11]

Ward was brilliant. But yeah, rest of it was crap.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[budsetr]

Iron Man + Superman = Steel Dude in power armor that took over for Superman during the Reign of the Supermen arc. My king just captured your queen and bitch-slapped you with it.

Re:Sad that others went as well

[Anonymous Coward]

And he's raised and trained as a monk, so we should have him lose his temper all the time.

Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[williamyf]

I mean:
+ Disney owns Marvel Studios.
+ Disney will become a competitor of Netflix launching their own streaming service (Disney+).
+ Disney is retiring a significant chunck of their catalogue from Netflix in preparation for said streaming service.
+ Diseny (due to their Fox Studios Acquisition) owns the majority (60%) of Hulu, another Netflix competitor.

I guess this may have something to do with said cancelations...

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

Exactly correct! Not sure why Netflix is getting beat up on social media for the cancellations. Be mad at Disney.

In addition Netflix's deal with Disney for other Disney content is set to expire later this year. Disney won't even negotiate a new deal, they want all their content for their services (Hulu and Disney+).

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

Also those shows are awful. Did I mention they are awful? Season 2 punisher is AWFUL. Maybe awful shows get cancelled?

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[LiquidAvatar]

My understanding is that Netflix is the one who decided to end all of these shows abruptly, not Disney.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anubis IV]

Oh, it's absolutely because of Disney. Or rather, Disney plays a huge role in what's going on.

The original four shows were originally only under contract for one season each, with the fifth season to be The Defenders. When Daredevil's first season ended up being a huge hit and huge exclusive at a time for Netflix when it was trying to establish its brand through its exclusives, they realized they'd do well to renew it for a second season. Frankly, I was surprised that they even did that, since by then it was already rumored that Disney was planning its own service, so you gotta figure that Disney would have been turning the screws during those licensing contract negotiations. Likewise with the Punisher spin-off, which I wouldn't have expected to happen. Even more so for the third season of Daredevil.

Now that Disney+ is imminent, it's clear that Disney is trying to reclaim control of its various IPs so that it can establish its own exclusives. Given the series they've announced so far (e.g. The Mandalorian in the Star Wars universe, a Loki spin-off in the MCU, etc.), it seems like they're aiming for their shows to be a serving of action on the side, rather than the main course that we'd be served in the films. Towards that end, street-level heroes like the ones that have been on Netflix are exactly the sort of thing that Disney seems to be wanting for Disney+, and Disney has even already said that some of these characters will likely see their stories continued on Disney+. Whether that means new seasons of the existing series or reboots remains to be seen, but either way they likely turned the screws on Netflix because they wanted to bring these characters in-house after Netflix did the hard work of (re-)introducing the characters to a new generation of viewers.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[PhrostyMcByte]

It's almost like they don't want to get people pumped for the "Marvel Streaming Universe" when it will drive users to hop on Disney+ for all the new shows.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

BECAUSE THEY ARE SHIT, YES. I'm glad to see someone understands the issue here. Bunch of beta-pseudomale Kendalls with their pokemon fetish feeling all butthurt over this cancellation, you just have to LAUGH.

Re: Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

Netflix ran the numbers. The shows weren't popular enough to continue plus pay the licensing costs. There's not a second season of any of those shows (including Defenders) that I finished. Always stopped short by 2 or 3 eps.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Oswald McWeany]

I wonder how much this will hurt Disney.

Everyone knows the Marvel heros now... 10 years from now, will they seem obsolete or "old fashioned" to people who don't have the Disney service?

With Marvel on Netflix, and spread around amongst many services, it is keeping the characters "well-known". Lock it away, and how much does that hurt the Marvel brand?

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[rahvin112]

Yes it has exactly to do with Disney's ownership of Marvel. Netflix recognizes that with Disney going to attempt the streaming market that they will probably take control of the IP or refuse to renew the license at some point as they own it. You can't succeed with someone else's IP because they control the destination. Unfortunately, as I liked all the shows, Netflix could only choose to cancel.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

That's because the writing was already on the wall. If they didn't Disney would of at the end of 2019. Again Disney won't even sit down to negotiate. Netflix could offer them $1billion, and Disney still would not have accepted. It's about control, and Disney wants all of it.

This is what happens when content providers also can control the medium of disturbution. Works the other way too, you won't Netflix original first run stuff on anything other than Netflix (no Hulu, no Youtube, etc).

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Shotgun]

At least they didn't pull the trick on them that ABC (?) did to Flash. I couldn't stand how they had every...single...male bawling their eyes out for about a third of every episode. I mean, I could have understood it in one or two shows. Some issues are truly emotional. But, he spent more time crying than he did running.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

Must be horrible to go through life being such a bitterman, never enjoying anything, I pity you.

Re: Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes. Disney has stated they are going to launch a competitive service and are slowly pulling (or not renewing) their programming from Netflix.

Re: Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh those shows were indeed terrible.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

I would have to understand what they're saying to pity them.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

this has everything to do with disney's expected launch of its own paid streaming service and disney's desire to have all of its own content only on it. tit for tat, nothing more.

time warner (via tnt cable network) has rejected offers to sell back star wars rights which they hold for awhile longer yet, but most everything else will be ready to go for disney's service.

more fragmentation of streaming services means even 'cord cutters' will soon be paying the equivalent of their old cable or satellite bill to get the content they want. where netflix had the effect of lowering piracy rates due to increased accessibility of content, this will just do the opposite. content providers are absolutely clueless, blinded by greed.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[will_die]

Except is there is no truth in what you wrote.
According to multiple sources Disney+ cannot do anything with those characters until years from now.
Also Disney does not get ownership of the current shows they stay with netflix.
Also Disnet+ has said it is not going for the age group these show go for. These characters will not be on Disney+. From what was said it might go to hulu or some other service.
Netflix has hinted at the reasons why they are doing it. 1) The cost they pay to Disney are too high; netflix has tried to renegotiate the deal. 2) These shows are not bringing in the new customers that netflix needs; they get an initial spike then a drop.
This is netflix decision.

https://variety.com/2018/tv/ne...

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

I mean:
+ Disney owns Marvel Studios.
+ Disney will become a competitor of Netflix launching their own streaming service (Disney+).
+ Disney is retiring a significant chunck of their catalogue from Netflix in preparation for said streaming service.
+ Diseny (due to their Fox Studios Acquisition) owns the majority (60%) of Hulu, another Netflix competitor.

I guess this may have something to do with said cancelations...

Exactly - Same as they are sticking it to Apple. Black Mirror Bandersnatch can't play on AppleTV - about the same exact time that they pulled away from paying Apple a royalty on subscriptions. Netflix is becoming vindictive.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

Fuck that fucking Mouse.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[PortHaven]

Netflix's deal with Marvel ends this year. So basically, they CANNOT produce any more seasons.

Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot are they supposed to do? Keep releasing them in violation of copyright and licensing laws and have Disney sue them?

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anonymous Coward]

From what I read, they were Netflix's to produce as long as they wanted, but the terms had to remain exactly the same, which mean continuing the 13 episode seasons, which was expensive and made the shows feel too full of filler material. Netflix would have had to continue very expensive production of a set of shows that were showing diminishing returns and were, in fact advertising a service that was a direct competitor by continuing to push the Marvel brand.

I think that had Netflix been able to cut the shows back to 10 episode seasons (or possibly even less), they would have seemed a bit tighter and possibly higher quality. This might have kept the rating up. Cheaper production and higher ratings might have been enough to have Netflix swallow their pride and continue making Disney promo productions, but without that, it was just too high a cost for too little return.

Re:Does this has anything to do with Disney?

[Anubis IV]

Except is there is no truth in what you wrote.

I beg to differ. In fact, so far as I can see, you never even contradicted a single thing I said. My best guess is that you read something into what I said that I didn't actually say, but if you still think I got things wrong, I'd be eager to hear what specifically you think I got wrong.

According to multiple sources Disney+ cannot do anything with those characters until years from now.

According to your own source, those characters start becoming available next year, which is quite a bit sooner than "years from now". Given that Disney+ launches later this year, they could theoretically have shows based on these characters airing within the first year of Disney+.

That said, I don't know why you're bringing it up at all. I never claimed anything about timing. I simply said that they were wanting to bring these IPs back in-house.

Also Disney does not get ownership of the current shows they stay with netflix.

Disney already owns the shows and always has. Netflix ordered the shows from Marvel Television and ABC Studios, beating out other networks for the right, so they're the exclusive distributor for the time being. That said, they've made it pretty clear that—just like with pretty much every show on TV—their distribution rights have an expiration date. For instance, in the Daredevil cancellation announcement they said (emphasis mine), "While the series on Netflix has ended, the three existing seasons will remain on the service for years to come". Not "in perpetuity", just "for years to come". And really, this is what we'd expect. I mean, surely you've heard of "syndication" and are aware that popular shows air on other networks/services after their initial exclusivity period expires?

Moreover, we don't know whether their first run rights (i.e. the right to air new episodes first) were negotiated separately. If they were, as is often the case, they might expire before they lose distribution rights for the episodes on their service. As such, it's entirely possible that in the same way Netflix bought the first run rights to Black Mirror out from under Channel 4, Disney could simply let those rights expire for Netflix, then continue the shows on some other service while the original seasons remain available on Netflix. Netflix's cancellation announcement for Daredevil even said that "the Daredevil character will live on in future projects for Marvel", so whether that's in new shows or as a continuation of the existing one, it's clear that there's more coming.

Netflix has hinted at the reasons why they are doing it. 1) The cost they pay to Disney are too high; netflix has tried to renegotiate the deal.

Sure. I already said that when I said that "Disney would have been turning the screws during those licensing contract negotiations". You can say "This is netflix [sic] decision", but it takes two to tango in a negotiation. I agree it's a Netflix decision, but Disney also played a huge part in why those shows got cancelled. I'm not blaming anyone for what happened or upset at either side; it's just business, after all. Each of them need to make decisions based on the value they're getting from those rights.

Cos Disney is crafting its own digital service

[Anonymous Coward]

How is this even news. Disney is building a streaming service for its Marvel properties, and lost interest in having a third party (Netflix) make/host them.

Now Disney owns Fox, it recovers most of the rest of the Marvel IP- leaving Spiderman still at Sony.

More interesting (MUCH more interesting) is whether WB will get back the TV rights for Batman, owned by Fox since the iconic 60s show (hence the recent Gotham show on Fox). WB won't want Disney keeping control of a key DC IP. And Disney is unlikely to want the rights to TV Batman either.

I will be glad

[The-Ixian]

when, just like the zombie craze, all of this super-hero stuff has played out.

We need more space opera and less supernatural ghosty stuff...

Re:I will be glad

[youngone]

I agree with you entirely, but people seem to like the DC and Marvel stuff, for the same reason they like McDonald's .
It's safe and familiar, and you know what you're going to get because it's the same every time.

Re:I will be glad

[Anonymous Coward]

They like it because they're faggots who like to see men dressed in tights. All that comic book shit is for dirty queers.

Re:I will be glad

[mea_culpa]

Problem is the general public have more disposable income and are perfectly happy with lowest common denominator content. It's the same reason we lost the Discovery, History, and Sci-Fi channels. LCD content is safe, easy, and cheap to produce.

Sadly there isn't much hope for the future. Perhaps when AI gets advanced enough to generate custom movies on the fly, things will be interesting again.

Re:I will be glad

[Anonymous Coward]

Outside of nerds, Avengers has only been safe and familiar for less than a decade. Heck, the first Robert Downey Jr Iron Man is only 11 years old.

Mainstream tastes wax and wane. The mystical-magical-pretend-sci-fi comic book adaptions fad will pass.

Re:I will be glad

[Ryanrule]

naw ghosts and zombies can fuck off for 50 years.

Re:I will be glad

[AmiMoJo]

The Netflix shows were not very super-hero-esq though. The idea behind those characters is that they are mostly just ordinary people with maybe one of the less outlandish super powers, dealing with street level crime.

They also had some of the best villains on TV, far better than the movie ones. Fisk (Kingpin) and Kilgrave both stand out, from season 1 of Daredevil and Jessica Jones respectively.

There were some great fight scenes too, especially in Daredevil.

Re:I will be glad

[AmiMoJo]

In the case of Marvel they have managed to produce a string of generally pretty good action movies. Each is enjoyable on its own and the first and most recent Avengers movies in particular have been some of the best of the year.

Meanwhile many other franchises are failing to offer much competition. Harry Potter is still going, DC is mostly failing with only the odd decent movie (Wonder Woman), and many others are DoA like Mortal Engines or the Mummy reboot. Oh, and Star Wars... I guess they thought that if Marvel could do that many movies and not hit saturation then they could too, Solo really screwed them.

So unlike McDonalds the Marvel movies are actually good, and in fact often the best action/adventure movies of the year. They have their flaws but even the likes of the Spielberg can't seem to produce hits on that scale any more.

Re:I will be glad

[nine-times]

If you want the "super-hero stuff" to be "played out", you're going to be waiting a long time. We've been fascinated with super-powered heroes for thousands of years. The movies cross genres from space action-adventure to gross-out comedy to spy thriller, and those genres are going to stick around.

Maybe you should just ignore the fact that the main character is wearing a funny suit, stop using your hatred of super heroes to feel superior to everyone else, and enjoy the show.

Re:I will be glad

[Hodr]

I agree with you entirely, but people seem to like the DC and Marvel stuff, for the same reason they like McDonald's .

It's safe and familiar, and you know what you're going to get because it's the same every time.

Pretty sure I wasn't expecting to see Jeff Goldblum's birthday sex spaceship in Thor III.

Re:I will be glad

[Phics]

You might be waiting a while. They've been making superhero films since the '40s, (and earlier if you account for less traditional "superheroes"). And of course, zombie films have been around even longer than that...

Humans will always be interested in the thought that an ordinary person might become something special... something powerful and extraordinary. I suspect this is the same allure that the lottery offers - it's unlikely, but getting bitten by a radioactive spider - well, that -could- happen, right? That's quite possibly why origin stories are so delicious for a lot of people, (until they get retold too many times)... Might even be why some sequels tend to be a bit of a downer.

Zombies are a bit different.... that's more about the horror of something worse than death, and the potential of it happening to your loved ones. Tugs on a different set of emotional strings.

OTOH, I like a good space opera too.

Netflix

[fluffernutter]

I find all the netflix superhero shoes start really strong and then fizzle out. Watching Titans and it starts very raw and action packed, but four epis in it's a soap opera.

Re:Netflix

[93 Escort Wagon]

This seems to be how ALL serial dramatic content is written, nowadays. Certainly the CW’s DC shows quickly degenerated into nothing but angsty relationship melodramas... but it’s everywhere else as well. My wife likes hospital dramas and cop shows - I’ve tried to watch them with her, but 90% of those story lines are, again, about broken serial relationships and people who can’t manage to stay happy.

It’s almost like every modern television writer grew up on a steady diet of PD James murder mysteries. I remember when PBS’s “Mystery” would serialize those. All of the main characters would be so obnoxiously annoying, and the interpersonal relationships so consistently dysfunctional, that the question in my mind wouldn’t be why the particular victim was killed - I’d wonder why no one had taken out all the other characters as well.

Re:Netflix

[Anonymous Coward]

> Watching Titans and it starts very raw and action packed, but four epis in it's a soap opera.

So it's a DC comic series you say? Seems pretty faithful then. Has Beast Boy started pining for psycho Terra yet? Robin all emo?

Re: Netflix

[Urinal Pube]

Netflix/Marvel seems to be particularly bad for this. I think it's because they film them on a shoestring budget. They basically suck you in with EP 1-2, then leave you hanging in the final, but he rest is basically just filler. Also, with every series in the universe, 99% of the show takes place on maybe 3 or 4 sets. They probably film the entire season in a week.

Re:Netflix

[squiggleslash]

Certainly the CWâ(TM)s DC shows quickly degenerated into nothing but angsty relationship melodramas

Well, some may have done. LoT managed to turn from an angsty relationship melodrama (which it started as) into something awesome, so occasionally it goes the other way...

Re:Netflix

[sysrammer]

"I’ve tried to watch them with her, but 90% of those story lines are, again, about broken serial relationships and people who can’t manage to stay happy"

Yeah. Action soaps. Meh.

Re:Netflix

[93 Escort Wagon]

I gave up on Legends of Tomorrow pretty quickly - maybe I should take another look.

Re:Netflix

[Ryanrule]

blame the schools that make these writers.

Re:Netflix

[AmiMoJo]

Hmm, I started with all four of those shows. Still watching The Flash, Arrow I kind lost interest two seasons ago, Supergirl almost immediately and LoT after a couple of episodes too.

Maybe it's worth trying LoT again. What makes it great? And can I skip the first season to get to the good stuff?

Re:Netflix

[squiggleslash]

First season: Terrible. Not surprised you gave up

Second season: In my view, so-so, but others love it. One immediate positive: No Hawkgirl, they do introduce Vixen and start giving her the Hawkgirl OMGLIFESUCKS treatment but back away from that quickly. Positives: They start to explore the characters, including looking into complexities in characters who'd previously been archetypes such as Mick (the gruff flame thrower guy.) Let down to an extent by some paper thin villains and some fairly run of the mill episodes. Two episodes that stand out as great episodes are "Raiders of the Lost Art", a tribute to George Lucas, and "Moonshot".

Third season: It really takes off. A lot of surreal humor that somehow still makes sense. A new character, Zari, who works as a kind of straight-gal against an increasingly bizarre storyline. The series ends with an ending that should have been a disaster, and would have been if any other show had done it, as it's ludicrously over the top, but it works because literally every decision and event that's lead to it makes perfect sense and it's the only possible outcome. That season also has an episode that I feel is one of the best put together pieces of TV I've seen in a long time, "Here I go again", which (openly) references Groundhog Day, but does it well and appropriately.

Fourth season: Mixed, but we're mid way through it. There's been at least one episode that, to my mind, was too over the top (that is, it failed the Season 3's Finale example of "OTT but completely logical and explainable") but otherwise it's been good TV.

What makes it watchable? A mix of surreal humor, commentary, interesting characters, and very little of the "OMG my life sucks, I'm a superhero who has been elected the most powerful man in this city but I think I'm Batman I'm so depressed" bullshit that you see in other Arrowverse shows.

It's really good, worth binging.

Re:Netflix

[squiggleslash]

The first season was awful. I don't think the second was that good either but the consensus seems to be that's when it turned around and I can understand that, but third season was excellent.

You may remember the entire first season focused on Hawkgirl and how awful it was to be chased by a supervillian through time who wants to have her, while being in a love triangle between her true love and the Atom.

Well, let's put it this way: there's no Hawkgirl in the second season other than a farewell in the first episode. After that she's gone, and for the most part they steer away from those kinds of arcs from then on.

Re:Netflix

[AmiMoJo]

Thanks. I am going to start with season 2 and try to enjoy it, which should be easier knowing that it's going somewhere.

Re:Netflix

[Anonymous Coward]

four epis in it's a soap opera.

Have you ever read a comic book series? Not just some select story arcs compiled into a trade paperback, but all the stupid filler books? They're all soap operas. "Oh Jane, if only you could love me as Donald Blake and not just Thor, but I can never reveal my secret identity!"

Re:Netflix

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe it's worth trying LoT again. What makes it great? And can I skip the first season to get to the good stuff?

i wouldn't say it's great, it's just average, which is great by comparison. They settle their differences and accept each other as thieves, assassins, scientists, etc because they realize all of reality is at stake. And they become a functional family, with occasional shifts in membership who occasionally rock the boat, but everyone shifts so the boat doesn't capsize. It's still soap opera with monster of the week, but MotW works better for this show's premise, so it doesn't stand out as much.

Re:Netflix

[Anonymous Coward]

They stopped trying to take themselves seriously, and just decided to have fun with the show. Now they hop around time, dealing with (in some cases) truly ludicrous situations.

You can definitely skip the early stuff. You might have the occasional "I wonder what happened with XXX" moment, but you'll be fine.

Maybe it has finally run its course.

[mark_reh]

First it was zombies, then came the comic book super-heroes. I'll be glad when Hollywood gets back to making more movies that actually have stories and quality acting.

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[Oswald McWeany]

First it was zombies, then came the comic book super-heroes. I'll be glad when Hollywood gets back to making more movies that actually have stories and quality acting.

Those aren't as profitable. Franchises guarantee you'll get the same people coming back for each new rehashing of the same story. Guarenteed cash flow; whereas, unqiue films are hit-or-miss in how audiences will respond.

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[The Grim Reefer]

First it was zombies, then came the comic book super-heroes. I'll be glad when Hollywood gets back to making more movies that actually have stories and quality acting.

Keep dreaming. The way things are going, that's not happening. I think the top grossing movie of all time will be out in another 10 to 15 years. It'll be called. "Majik, Esplosions, Gunn fites, and Hawt Chics!" It'll be 119 minutes of ridiculously attractive people with perfect hair and 7% body fat, that never workout or eat anything remotely healthy. And the women will all have a minimum of a D cup breast size, even with 7% body fat. Even after a Tsar Bomba explosion at ground zero their hair will not be more than mildly messed up and their makeup will remain perfect except for a few strategically placed smudges that will wipe away. Of the 119 minutes, there will be 5 minutes of total dialog. Everything else will be a CGI fest of cut scenes and what's in the title.

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[Mitreya]

First it was zombies, then came the comic book super-heroes. I'll be glad when Hollywood gets back to making more movies that actually have stories and quality acting.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. When was the last time Hollywood had a movie with stories and/or quality acting?
Comic book based movies have the advantage in that there is often a decent background story (a story that became popular without relying on big name actors or special effects). Of course that does not mean that the story is actually used when the movie is made.

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[smoot123]

I'll be glad when Hollywood gets back to making more movies that actually have stories and quality acting.

Back to?

Do you mean Tracy/Hepburn movies?

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[Anonymous Coward]

Franchises guarantee you'll get the same people coming back for each new rehashing of the same story. Guarenteed cash flow; whereas, unqiue films are hit-or-miss in how audiences will respond.

Tell that to Disney regarding Solo.

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[Shotgun]

You just described "Charlie's Angels".

What is old is new again.

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[tsqr]

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. When was the last time Hollywood had a movie with stories and/or quality acting?

My wife and I go out to see a movie regularly, and we've never seen a superhero movie. I've tried a few comic book movies on Netflix, and the only one I managed to sit all the way through was Wonder Woman (probably just because Gal Gadot). I find that my ability to suspend disbelief is no match for the sheer idiocy of most of those films. There are a lot of excellent films being produced that feature stories and quality acting. Green Book, A Simple Favor, Throroughbreds, Game Night, Molly's Game, Darkest Hour, Hidden Figures, and Manchester by the Sea are a few examples that come to mind. I suspect that people who complain about the lack of 'quality movies' really just aren't trying very hard to find them.

Comic book based movies have the advantage in that there is often a decent background story (a story that became popular without relying on big name actors or special effects). Of course that does not mean that the story is actually used when the movie is made.

Um, what? How is a "decent background story" an advantage for a movie if it isn't actually used when the movie is made?>p>

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[ChatHuant]

I agree, though I think vampires were there before the zombies.

As to story, I'm afraid this boat has sailed. Rejoice though, you'll get more and bigger explosions and plenty of incomprehensible actions scenes with frantic editing and unruly camera movements.

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe it has finally run its course.

Brie Larson to the rescue!

Re:Maybe it has finally run its course.

[Anonymous Coward]

This sounds fuqn awesome! Can't wait!! ;)

GOOD!

[l0ungeb0y]

Their entire Defenders Franchise was a flaming pile of shit. I look forward to a proper reboot on Disney's Streaming service in 2021. Netflix and their thousands of shit-tier "original content" titles can go get good and truly fucked. After what they did to Black Mirror, and giving us that choose your own adventure piece of shit instead of a proper season, they are dead to me

Re:GOOD!

[AmiMoJo]

Well, there's always one, right? Every well received show always has some people who hated it.

As for Black Mirror, welcome to the world of British TV. You are lucky if you get six episodes a year.

Re:GOOD!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep, I hope they take their steaming pile of BLACK MIRROR that started out less than useless before it became useless . . .

Knew about Disney streaming, not continuation...

[SuperKendall]

You don't seem to be aware that Disney is launching their own streaming platform later this year and they own the Marvel franchise.

I did know that, but the shows were canceled a bit ahead of when that would have naturally occurred.

Even though these shows are being reported as "canceled", they aren't being terminated. They'll just be moved to new studios and production is going to continue.

That I did not know, where did you read that?

Personally like I said, I felt like most of them were kind of played out and I don't see Disney getting a lot of value out of continuing these. But more power to them if they can wring more value out of the Marvel stone.

Might be more accurate to say Disney than Marvel

[drnb]

It may be more accurate to say Netflix drops content from streaming competitor Disney. Marvel is a subsidiary of Disney.

Umbrella Academy

[Anonymous Coward]

Umbrella Academy is an amazing show, and I'd like to see more small time comic adaptations like this over crappy Marvel IP.

Meh.

[_xeno_]

I'm actually very "meh" about this. On the one hand, I enjoyed the first season of (most) of the Netflix Marvel shows (guess the exception), but on the other hand, while they kept on making it seem like something cool could be just around the corner, they never quite managed to deliver. The Iron Fist was the worst at this. Its final season ended with a setup that seemed like it could potentially be cool, but given that it was the Iron Fist, I kind of don't care that we'll never get to see if they would have managed to capitalize on it.

Beyond that, all the shows were getting kind of stale. Luke Cage's second season seemed to be a large bit of padding to set up for a third season that may have been interesting, one we didn't get to see. Jessica Jones's second season set up for maybe having an interesting new character while otherwise being pretty dull - dull enough that I managed to forget a large bit of the plot involving a fairly major character! Jessica Jones is getting a third season (the one they just finished before being canceled), so maybe the third season will manage to capitalize on the hooks the second one set up, but - well - I'm not counting on it.

Ultimately I think they all fell to something I remember reading about, how super hero origin stories are easier to write than stories where they've already been established. Origin stories are inherently the Hero's Journey, something that's very well defined and understood. The first seasons were all origin stories, and then once they were defined characters - the show writers didn't know how to continue. This meant that pretty much every "next season" of these shows ended up effectively being the origin stories of other characters beyond the "main characters." Which almost worked.

So I'm left with a mixed feeling that while the shows may have been able to move the characters in interesting directions and show us neat new things, it was probably time to cancel them. Leaving me feeling basically unable to care either way. Had they continued, that might have been interesting. Or not. So it doesn't really matter that they won't.

And, yes, I know this is a lot of text to say "I don't care" but it's this weird thing where I wish I could be invested in the characters because the shows seemed promising at first, but ultimately, I'm just ... not.

Re:Meh.

[Anonymous Coward]

The good thing about all these origin stories is that the characters are now in the public consciousness, so that when someone comes up with a script for them, the bozos in Hollywood can't pretend they've never heard of them before. I say go nuts.

Re:Meh.

[AmiMoJo]

The origin story thing is what ruined the Spiderman movies, and also some of the old 90s Batman movies.

The best thing Marvel did with the new, actually quite good Spiderman movies was to have Uncle Ben pre-murdered and Spiderman already a street-level crime fighter.

Re:Meh.

[swillden]

Another possibility is that superhero stories are essentially boring, except for the origin stories. It's not acceptable to put the hero in real danger, except temporarily (even when this rule is broken, the audience knows that it just foreshadows a reboot), and since it's become expected that every supervillain that comes along poses a massive threat to at least millions of people, if not the entire universe, superhero stories are mostly an exercise in inventing new ways for villains to be awful and new ways for the hero to save the world.

All really good stories are about character development in the face of moral dilemmas. This is pretty much all an origin story is about. But once the superhero is established, there's just not much room for development any more. You can focus on peripheral characters and their development. Aside from that, about all you can do is feed an adolescent desire to be vicariously powerful (which is fun sometimes, I'll admit, but not as a steady diet).

I've enjoyed a lot of the Marvel movies and series, but I think the reason it's feeling overdone is that... it's overdone. The genre is self-limiting.

Opposite take for me

[SuperKendall]

After what they did to Black Mirror

I personally liked the Black Mirror interactive episode better than every single other Black Mirror episode combined.

Their entire Defenders Franchise was a flaming pile of shit. I look forward to a proper reboot on Disney's Streaming service in 2021.

I don't agree with that, and I don't think a lot of other people do as well. In particular, the first seasons of Jessica Jones, and Daredevil were great. I also liked Luke Cage fairly well.

Or maybe you specifically meant just the Defenders show where they all came together, there I would have to agree I didn't really care for it at all and didn't want to see more of it. I find the Black Hand to be a pretty uninteresting villainous force.

I'm not sure what gives you hope that a Disney reboot of any of those characters will yield improvement though. I think they should let them sit for at least 18 months before another reboot, like Spider Man.

Re:Knew about Disney streaming, not continuation..

[Anonymous Coward]

That I did not know, where did you read that?

He didn't, he pulled it out of his ass. Netflix has exclusive rights to these properties as live-action TV series for the next two years. They're going to gather dust until the contract runs out, where Disney can then do with them as they like.

Screw the fans

[Revek]

Love them or hate them this isn't about ratings. This is about Disney rolling out their own streaming service.

Re:Screw the fans

[Anonymous Coward]

So what? You're acting like this is food or medication. Just pay for your entertainment like a slave or man up and get a library card.

Re:Screw the fans

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem is all the big content makers are now completely in control of their own distribution. So what is happening is each big content maker is making their own distribution service. Hate or love cable but the idea was you had access to all big content makers content.

And this isn't just about entertainment, it will affect (video) news sources as well going forward.

This service fee per big content maker is not good going forward. And this is not the ala carte dream most were hoping for. If you like say Marvel stuff like this example, you can't just subscribe to Marvel stuff, you will have to subscribe to all Disney stuff whether you liked it or not.

Re:Screw the fans

[will_die]

That is a stupid rumor not based on any facts that has been spreading since netflix killed the first show.
Netflix still hold the rights to those characters for years after the last show is producted. Marvel/Disney cannot do anything with them until the mid 2020s.
netflix has come out and said the reason they are doing it is the cost and that the shows are not bringing in any new customers for any length. They got a spike of new customers for them then it stopped.
The only streaming service that had any dealing with this is netflix.

Re:Screw the fans

[Revek]

Disney will be pulling access to all marvel movies and Disney products soon. They have announced it. They have canceled all their marvel projects. What kind of facts do you need to see why?

Nice spin

[Anonymous Coward]

That's a clever spin by Netflix to make it look like they were the ones that decided to pull this trigger. The real reason this is happening is so the shows can move to Disney's upcoming paid platform.

I suppose Disney must have allowed them to spin it this way. Classy move on their part!

You're still a boring faggot Kendall

[Anonymous Coward]

You need a life outside TV, videogames, and making up dull shit on slashdot. Or you could die irrelevant, of course.

You know...

[Anonymous Coward]

"We are grateful to Marvel for five years of our fruitful partnership and thank the passionate fans who have followed these series from the beginning," a Netflix representative told Deadline. Netflix didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

You don't have to say "X didn't respond to a request for comment" immediately after quoting the comment from a representative of X.

you know what's cheaper?

[slashmydots]

They should invent Netflix-Man and not pay a licensing fee. Genius!

Re: you know what's cheaper?

[Anonymous Coward]

Marvel already did the hard work of finding characters people like. Think of all the Marvel comics that failed.

Re:you know what's cheaper?

[bloodhawk]

easier/cheaper said than done. For every successful piece of IP in this space there are dozens if not hundreds of failed ones.

Re:you know what's cheaper?

[WolfgangVL]

Or better yet, take a look at all of the DC ripoffs that worked, and rip them off.

Re:you know what's cheaper?

[Anonymous Coward]

Netflix-Man I'm not here to fight crime. I'm here to fight CABLE.

There is actually a Marvel superhero called CABLE. Don't even search for the image; just trust me. Otherwise, there will be a whole new Marvel franchise because some wayward algorithm equated those page-hits as mild interest, and spit out an AI-driven bot to email the plotline to Hollywood producers.

Re:you know what's cheaper?

[Anonymous Coward]

Cable, he's the guy that played Thanos, right?

Re:you know what's cheaper?

[AmiMoJo]

What would Netflix-Man's superpower be?

Pepsi-Man had super strength, allegedly derived from drinking Pepsi, which is ironic considering the actual effects of drinking large quantities of Pepsi... But diabetes isn't a great super power.

Re:you know what's cheaper?

[mjwx]

They should invent Netflix-Man and not pay a licensing fee. Genius!

It's not quite so simple. Writers are cheap and plentiful... Writers with talent are expensive and rare.

Working from pre-written material is much cheaper and faster, especially when part of the audience is already familiar with the universe meaning the concept has already been tested and is likely to be popular. The 1990's had a whole load of 1 season original concept SciFi shows like Gerry Anderson's Space Precinct. Space Precinct was a safe bet, Gerry Anderson was well known for good SciFi, SciFi was popular, police procedurals were going gangbusters so it was one of the highest budgeted sci-fi shows of the mid 90's and still flopped for a variety of reasons (it is worth watching for the kitsch factor and was on Amazon Prime last time I looked). So producers, including Netflix have become cautious, they'd rather tested material than take the risk on 19 flops because the 20th might make it.

The odd thing is, they hate dealing with talented authors because they resist the studio tampering with their work. There's a metric crapload of good books written to be adapted for TV/Film that sit there untouched.

I had that same issue

[SuperKendall]

Ignoring the fact you mixed up universes there a little bit (as others kindly pointed out), I agree with your basic point.

You have all these Marvel movies, where none of the people from the TV shows do anything in them - or vice versa. I mean Jessica Jones or Luke Cage is way more useful than some of the characters that appear in the Marvel movies all the time, stock up the Jack Daniels in the Avengers tower and bring her in!

Same deal the other way, with all of New York about to be sucked into a hole you'd think maybe Spiderman would care about that a little. In fact, how is Daredevil even a thing in world where Spiderman is hanging around New York? No references or anything?

The way I thought about it though, was simply that they were wholly different universes though I know they are not supposed to be, and I thought I remembered some references to the alien battle in one of the shows - may have been mistaken though.

Re:I had that same issue

[Anonymous Coward]

Spidey is east side, Aunt Mae won't let him go to the west side where Hell's Kitchen is.

Re: I had that same issue

[Anonymous Coward]

I never did see that East side-West side split (non-New Yorker here) and being a kid, I figured they would have that epic battle issue -- a big thing in Marvel comicdom (not unlike that civil war movie) which I could never figure out Why are they fighting each other?

There's nothing stopping Disney...

[Anonymous Coward]

...from creating new content with the current cast, and shelving them until Netflix' rights expire.

Who didn't see this coming?

[Anonymous Coward]

Disney is rent seeking now that they own Marvel.

Re:Who didn't see this coming?

[Anonymous Coward]

That's not what "rent seeking" means.

You forgot vampyres.

[Anonymous Coward]

That was another fad genre. Everything seems to be circling back to general teen dramas again.

Get woke, go broke.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's happening!

Re:Get woke, go broke.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep. Can't watch this tripe.

Not surprising at all

[artemis67]

The shows had problems.
* They were low budget (some shows had more problem with that than others, notably Iron Fist)
* There was too much filler in the seasons (don't need 13 episodes when you only really have 8 episodes' worth of story)
* Some were just really bad (all of the boardroom drama in Iron Fist)
* In fact, Iron Fist season 1 was fucking terrible, overall (I couldn't even bring myself to watch season 2)

The highlights:
* Daredevil cast were great, especially...
* Vincent D'Onofrio IS Kingpin, in the way that RDJ is Tony Stark; he fucking OWNED that role
* DD seasons 1 and 3, Jessica Jones season 1, and Punisher season 1 were the standouts
* Luke Cage 1 and 2 were pretty good
* The rest of the seasons were watchable, but nothing special

That is what Umbrella Academy proves out

[SuperKendall]

Stop paying to license terrible IP and write something. CGI and bad-dialogue an original plot, rehashing Marvel shit over and over is OVER!

I kind of agree with this, I think your point is proved out by Umbrella Academy (on Netflix). Yes its super-hero stuff but way more interesting than any of the Marvel stuff since the story is actually fresh (to me anyway, having never read the original comic it is based on).

It really shows there are countless stories out there that are really interesting and probably more deserving of being made than more Marvel content. I don't read comics or graphic novels much at all but there have to be a thousand gems in that space just waiting to be mined for video use.

Shame

[Anonymous Coward]

I really liked the first season of Jessica Jones. And the second season, while not quite as good, was still pretty decent story telling using super heroes to create real-life parallels. I'm looking forward to the third season (which it looks like will still be released).

Re:Deadly Class

[Anonymous Coward]

I know it's not on Netflix, but I also really like Deadly Class.

To move to di$eny online (soon to forced bundles)

[Joe_Dragon]

To move to di$eny online (soon to forced into internet bundles) along with E$PN on line

Punisher season 2 was not great

[walterbyrd]

I can hardly believe I watched it until the end.

Re:Punisher season 2 was not great

[mjwx]

I can hardly believe I watched it until the end.

The Punisher in Daredevil wasn't very good to begin with, it inspired me not to watch the series.

Clever business model

[PopeRatzo]

1) Get rid of all the shows people would actually watch and replace them with cheaply made true-crime documentaries and bad stand up comedy specials.
2) Assume people are too lazy to cancel their monthly subscriptions.
3)...

Seriously, Netflix has gotten rid of their once-impressive back catalog of classic movies, bought a bunch of cookie-cutter European copies of American cop-shows, and has been sucking increasing ass.

But I'm part of the problem I guess. I'm too lazy to cancel my monthly subscription and even though I keep telling myself it's time to cut them loose, I keep thinking they've got to improve sometime but they never do.

Re:Clever business model

[Anonymous Coward]

While you have the end result correct you aren't correct on the cause. Netflix isn't cancelling/dumping all the good content, the various content producers have seen Netflixes successful model and are trying to cash in on it themselves by launching their own streaming service and not renewing licensing contracts with netflix. Aka Disney.

Re:Clever business model

[phantomfive]

I don't know what kind of stuff you like to watch, but Netflix has also been bringing Japanese stuff, and Series of Unfortunate Events turned out to be surprisingly good.

Re:Clever business model

[Anonymous Coward]

3 is raise the price....

Re:Clever business model

[markdavis]

>"But I'm part of the problem I guess. I'm too lazy to cancel my monthly subscription and even though I keep telling myself it's time to cut them loose, I keep thinking they've got to improve sometime but they never do."

I think I fit into that, too. I kinda plan to wait for them to raise the price (which is coming soon), and THEN immediately cancel.

Of course, I will continue "DVD", since from that I continue to get actual get movies...

Re:Clever business model

[PopeRatzo]

Yeah, OK. I've seen some good Japanese stuff on Netflix, and Unfortunately Events wasn't bad, but that only covers one month of that subscription.

Storage isn't an issue, so why not have some pre-Code 1930s films and pre-1990 foreign films and maybe some early animation. Avant Garde films of the 20th century, like that. The royalties would be miniscule and there is definitely an audience. Meanwhile, I've had to add back in the DVD option for Netflix and pay extra so I can see some of the old and less mainstream stuff.

There's going to be a shakeout in the streaming video sector and until that happens things are going to get more confusing and expensive, I'm afraid. But I'll tell you one thing: I'm not sending Disney one single cent.

Re:Clever business model

[phantomfive]

Storage isn't an issue, so why not have some pre-Code 1930s films

Yeah they could definitely do that.

When the 'modern' TV era arrived, I spent a lot of time binging on various series, but after a while I got over it. They didn't attract me the way they used to, it suddenly became a game of critiquing the writers, figuring out what they were trying to do, instead of enjoying and being swept away by a story. So now I don't watch TV or Netflix or Hulu much. A lot of the content I can just see where it's going, getting a story dribbled out one plot element per episode, eventually leading nowhere.

I wonder if the public in general is going to do the same, or people will just go along with it. Most likely the media companies will keep trying different stuff until they find a formula that works, I guess. I agree with your prediction that things will get confusing and expensive, then a shakedown. I would bet it will still be confusing and expensive even after a shakedown (as expensive as possible without being intolerable to most people).

That said, there have been some really great things created lately, that probably wouldn't have been made in the past. Unfortunate Events is one (it was tried a couple times), and Planet Earth, and Wild, Wild Country. Online streaming has made it possible to find niche audiences for things that wouldn't have been made before.

Re:Clever business model

[Anonymous Coward]

Netflix still has some good stuff. They make some good shows. It's still worth the price for me, but with so many other players entering the market and stepping up content production, I will have to make some choices. I will either have to move subscriptions around or (more likely) take to the high seas.

Re:Clever business model

[PopeRatzo]

Unfortunate Events is one (it was tried a couple times), and Planet Earth, and Wild, Wild Country. Online streaming has made it possible to find niche audiences for things that wouldn't have been made before.

All good points, and that Wild, Wild Country is really something else. I've seen a bit in my long life and yet I still spent a good part of that series with my jaw dropped and mouth agape.

Re:Clever business model

[RuiFRibeiro]

I was more clever. Did the trial, loved the interfaces, loved having a Nteflix pretty much everywhere, including one native to my smartTV....but whilst the interface is very user friendly, the film library is old and sucks ass.

So, best thing I did was cancelling the trial.

The only attractive content to capture new customers is their "Netflix" series, and if they are cutting on that...good luck on that.

Re:Clever business model

[AmiMoJo]

Netflix didn't get rid of their movie library, it was taken away by the rights holders when they realized that they could be making money from their own streaming services by stocking them with all that valuable content. Unfortunately for them their content isn't really that valuable and part of Netflix's appeal was that you got everything for a reasonable monthly fee.

Disney is one of the few companies that might be able to pull it off, because their catalogue is so big and valuable. I'm surprised that CBS's service is apparently doing quite well, but maybe it's only due to Star Trek.

Re:Clever business model

[bkr1_2k]

They have also been getting more and more Asian developed content, which is great for those of us who like it. Sucks if you're not into Korean, Chinese, or Thai drama or action, though.

Blame Disney

[Anonymous Coward]

Disney obviously wants all their properties to be on their own platform.

To be fair DC's always done that

[rsilvergun]

they lean in with action and then romance. At least in the 80s and 90s (stopped reading by late 99 when the prices and crossovers got crazy). Go read any run on Teen Titans and you'll find they play out in that exact way. Young Justice ran the same way too. DC likes it's romance.

For Marvel you've got a point. Besides the various Jean Grey/Scott Summers love triangles it's rare to see them devote more than a half page to romance before Hulk starts smashin' and Thing starts clobberin'.

And the world yawns

[rtowne72]

I know for one it will force Netflix to get more original content. For Two, I will not be subscribing to Disney+ unless they find some Original content worthwhile. If they use the writers that do the Disney Channel content now, it will flop IMO.

bye

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, the recent story about fake faces tells us that, in the future, all "actors" will be made-up CGI. So this is the end of hollywood as we knew it.

Oh well

[Anonymous Coward]

All the Netflix shows were completely irrelevant to the MCU, aside from vague references every now and then to "the event" (first Avengers movie). People kept waiting for some huge cross-promotion that never happened.

And it begins ....

[Anonymous Coward]

The demise of Netflix

New Netfux series

[Locke2005]

"The Punishment of Jessica Jones"...

Damn

[GrumpySteen]

I was actually interested in what they were going to do with Typhoid Mary.

I tried to watch these and could only stick with 2

[gosand]

Daredevil and Punisher. All the rest I found terribly boring after 3 episodes, and gave up. Maybe got through 5 of Jessica Jones.

While the super hero thing is starting to get played out a bit, I think what helped those two shows for me was that it wasn't about super powers. Neither guy had them. It was more about the story. And while parts of both irritated me a little bit and there were some low points, in my opinion they were still great and I recommend them to people.

I am OK with them being cancelled though, because there was PLENTY of content there. I mean, for Punisher that was ~26 hours of across 2 seasons. That's like 10 movies! I don't care that it wasn't highly reviewed, I enjoyed it. It didn't crush any of my comic-nerd dreams because I am not one.

Shows come and go, that is all. It's just TV entertainment.

Sad news

[TJHook3r]

There will be a big hole in Netflix without their hit-or-miss superhero lineup. Who the hell wants to stream only Disney content though, they must be mad to think people want yet another outlay. Netflix and one other (for GoT) hits the sweet spot!

Re:Sad news

[doconnor]

"Who the hell wants to stream only Disney content though?"

Kids.

Also they bought Fox to pad out their offerings.

Comic books are for kids!!

[humanaceous]

I, for one, am looking forward to a G rated "Punsher". NOT.

Re:Comic books are for kids!!

[humanaceous]

I, for one, am looking forward to a G rated "Punsher". NOT.

Fack me, "PUNISHER" ugh. Old man spelling skills

Bring back The Tick

[aybiss]

That is what new superhero series need to be.

Re:Bring back The Tick

[sproketboy]

The Tick is on Amazon. It's very funny!

Re:Bring back The Tick

[jwymanm]

I second this. The Tick is great on Amazon and the previous live action Tick actor is helping to produce it.

These shows were kind of shit anyway

[DrXym]

They were like watching a mini series strung out over way too many episodes. They would have made far more compelling TV if the episode count was slashed.

Re:Might be more accurate to say Disney than Marve

[thegarbz]

No it wouldn't. Marvel may be owned by Disney but this content does not exist elsewhere. It was made by Netflix. They only paid to use a story which had never seen a screen adaptation before.

Re: Knew about Disney streaming, not continuation.

[Anonymous Coward]

Disney can do what they like ...starting with a musical on Broadway...hope I jinxed it

Need more Cobra Kai

[Anonymous Coward]

Nuff said

Re:Might be more accurate to say Disney than Marve

[Anonymous Coward]

did you know netflix backwards is xilften
it is a common spanish name and a french word for "stupid one"

Re: Knew about Disney streaming, not continuation.

[Anonymous Coward]

The Punisher the Musical? I'm interested.

By Neruos

[Anonymous Coward]

Look, we all "liked" the shows, because before that, there wasn't anything, we needed something and these shows did their job. I've watched them all, and i can say, in the end, they sucked, but hear me out.

I never understood, why writers and directors of the animated series before more involved in the live action attempts. I recently went back and watched Batman - TAS, and damn, it holds up and it works for both kids and adults. Why can't a live action show, be like this? DC suffers the same problem. Gotham, in general was pretty GOOD at the beginning, around the 1st 5-6 episodes. Then it went straight down the pipe.

I'm not saying these series are so bad that they are unwatchable, or they don't have their moments, cause they do and some really good ones. It seems to always be around the lead actors, the writing and the direction in which panels are told.

I could go on and on. Right now, I hate to say it, but
* Young Justice series, is really doing something good.
* Titans, not good
* Netflix & Hulu Marvel - ok, but could have been a whole lot better

A Troll for not liking your favorite show?

[skam240]

"You're obviously a troll"

"Obviously a troll" because they're tired of unoriginal content? That would make me a troll as well. Or maybe they're "obviously a troll" because they don't like the shows you like?

"For us, those shows have been fresh, (mostly) well-done, and most importantly entertaining. They're not the over-the-top comic book material like the movies. They're just accessible, interesting shows about extraordinary people."

Sure, the Netflix shows were great but they were still contributing to many people's overall comic book fatigue. I watched the fist season of Daredevil, thought it was really good and never watched another episode because I just can't get excited about more comic book remakes. I never dove into the second season when it came out because I'm really just generally tired of comic book movies and shows.

Then there's the general frustration over the lack of original content from Hollywood that even IPs used well fuels. Many people liked it when Hollywood took risks and didn't entirely lean on the crutch of sequels, remakes, and financial proven IPs from other mediums.

Re:A Troll for not liking your favorite show?

[PsychoSlashDot]

"Obviously a troll" because they're tired of unoriginal content? That would make me a troll as well. Or maybe they're "obviously a troll" because they don't like the shows you like?

No, mostly "obviously a troll" because "and nothing of value was lost". That's incredibly dismissive and inflammatory. To assert that those shows had zero value knowing full well that a lot of people like them... that's classic trolling. And the anonymous coward checksum bit and that's what you've got.

Sure, the Netflix shows were great but they were still contributing to many people's overall comic book fatigue. I watched the fist season of Daredevil, thought it was really good and never watched another episode because I just can't get excited about more comic book remakes. I never dove into the second season when it came out because I'm really just generally tired of comic book movies and shows.

That's fine and I won't fault you for it, though I'd have to say that I quite liked both the seasons you missed and at that at the very least you're missing out of two of the most amazing fight choreography scenes on television. But again, to those of us that haven't touched a comic book in our lives, the idea that nothing of value has been lost with these cancellations is simply offensive.

Then there's the general frustration over the lack of original content from Hollywood that even IPs used well fuels. Many people liked it when Hollywood took risks and didn't entirely lean on the crutch of sequels, remakes, and financial proven IPs from other mediums.

I'm pretty sure that this is just a common wisdom that is false. The raw number of movies being made each year has increased dramatically and as a result yes, there are far more remakes and sequels in a raw numerical fashion, but in a percentage I don't think it's significantly moved. Unfortunately I can't produce a citation.

I like the idea...

[Anonymous Coward]

Now that you put it in those terms, I like the idea of my money not going to Disney. They have almost single-handedly trashed copyright and trademark law while stealing from the public commons for their own benefit.

Re: BUILD THAT WALL

[Anonymous Coward]

Do ittttt

ORLY 4

[jf_moreira]

I am SO sick of the Marvel and DC Comics clichés that, really, those news are almost a relief. We hope something more interesting takes its place. Thanks, Netflix, for cleaning up.

Re:Might be more accurate to say Disney than Marve

[drnb]

We still have the case where Netflix is paying money, licensing, to a streaming competitor. Assuming the license was to be renewed and future context was not to be made by and for Disney's streaming service.

Re:Might be more accurate to say Disney than Marve

[thegarbz]

Yes that is right, but it is still not remotely accurate to say they are "dropping content from a competitor". There is no content owned by the competitor being dropped.