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Beto O'Rourke's Secret Membership in America's Oldest Hacking Group (reuters.com)
One thing you might not know about Beto O'Rourke, the former Texas congressman who just entered the race for president is that while a teenager, O'Rourke acknowledged in an exclusive interview to Reuters, he belonged to the oldest group of computer hackers in U.S. history. From the report: The hugely influential Cult of the Dead Cow, jokingly named after an abandoned Texas slaughterhouse, is notorious for releasing tools that allowed ordinary people to hack computers running Microsoft's Windows. It's also known for inventing the word "hacktivism" to describe human-rights-driven security work.
Members of the group have protected O'Rourke's secret for decades, reluctant to compromise his political viability. Now, in a series of interviews, CDC members have acknowledged O'Rourke as one of their own. Slashdot interviewed members of the Cult of the Cow in 1999 -- which gave bizarre answers.
Members of the group have protected O'Rourke's secret for decades, reluctant to compromise his political viability. Now, in a series of interviews, CDC members have acknowledged O'Rourke as one of their own. Slashdot interviewed members of the Cult of the Cow in 1999 -- which gave bizarre answers.
On this alone. The last Presidential race was a shit show of insane proportions (I voted, but not Dem/Repub).
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he secured the votes of a small generation of people, some that might be people that probably would never vote.
Beto, better known by his hacker name 0t3b, was not only a member of cDc, but the founder. After flashing an EEPROM with gamma radiation, 0t3b slammed the chip into his arm where the gamma radiation linked the chip to his bloodstream giving him uber-leet superpowers. 0t3b could now hack the gibson using only his voice and gesture controls.
Seriously, watch out for this guy. You think a Russian agent in the White House is bad? 0t3b is literally where Russian and Chinese haxorz wannabees go to learn their skillz.
Some Irish-heritage person claiming to be Hispanic go garner idiot votes? Why is that a good thing?
Geez, next thing you know some lily-white millionaire is going to pretend to be a Native American to get ahead.
All this cultural appropriation has to stop!
More than admitting you had, say, secret back-channel communications with the Kremlin, or say, laundered money for the Russian mob for decades, or, you know, met with Russian intel connected oligarchs in secret, observably...
As if nobody is watching, that's the kicker... and then implausibly deny/admit it in one breath when someone asks?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/05/11/president_trumps_full_interview_with_lester_holt.html
If he was a Republican, you'd be hearing:
- He's the son of a judge
- Went to boarding school
- Dodged burglary and DUI charges
- He married into a Billionaire family
But he's a Democrat, so nothing matters. Different standards. It's so important that he be judged by different standards the media won't even give you the information you need to make any other judgement.
Oh great he's a Window's guy... No way I can vote for him now...
Was his involvement in the group from the days when high school kids (or younger) could wreak havoc with Windows using a Word Basic macro? If so, then who cares?
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And my compliments to whoever wrote it. He seems like the sort of person I dream of being in charge. Unfortunately, I am not an American so it is possible they aimed at the wrong demographic.
I reserve the write to mangle english.
It doesn't seem like its a hard disqualifier. Mudge was at CDC and L0pht and went on to DARPA and Google.
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Our industry and community seems socially inept and has brought us such innovations as the destruction of privacy, the propagation of hate, and the commercialization of false information. And I'm supposed to feel better about Beto because he's a part of that shit?
Not looking forward to the primaries, none of the candidates are ideal, Warren's incompetent even if her heart's in the right place, Harris has that slick tells-you-what-you-wanna-hear Obama like quality, Sanders is the Democrat's Ron Paul, and everyone else is just... urgh. Beto? Unless he backtracks and distances himself from ever being associated with jackasses like me I'm not seeing a great reason to vote for him.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I still think his changing his name to pretend to be Hispanic is super stupid, but I relish the thought of a for-real hacker becoming president and having inside access to pretty much every government computer network...
Too bad there is zero chance of a white male of any dirt getting to be the Democratic candidate.
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and his thoughtful and nuanced policy positions
What exactly are those? I went to his website https://betoorourke.com/ which contains absolutely nothing on his positions. There are only links to a store (one of which is placed prominently), applying for a job in his campaign, and a donating to his campaign. Is this serious?
This guy isn't exactly giving me a reason to even consider him as a serious candidate. Also, he couldn't even beat the Zodiac killer so by the transitive property of politics that I've just invented, he wouldn't unseat Trump, so I'm not interested.
Where does he get off assigning himself a Spanish nickname. He is just about as Latin as tuna casserole.
on the back of my neck stand up. Reminds me of Bill Clinton "I smoked pot but did not inhale" comment, same thing happened when I heard that, like right! he did not inhale!, weasel words! Why couldn't he just say yes I did! Heck I could care less.
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Beto may very well win since he is a darling of the left/media.. Only then will we find out who he really is.
All I know is I won't vote for him, but that hardly matters.
Just my 2 cents
And our (Virginia) Lt. Governor is credibly accused of forcing a woman down to suck his dick and the same people who wanted to all but literally nail Roy Moore (Republican) to a literal cross over accusations are shrieking "due process!!11!" or trying to just pretend there's no reason to even investigate.
I too was expecting the Chaos Computer Club, since it looks like they predate CDC by about 3 years. Did the writer not even do a minimal amount of research before submitting the article?
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What exactly are those? I went to his website https://betoorourke.com/ which contains absolutely nothing on his positions.
Beto is as useless as Kate's boyfriend in the movie Hackers. His entire job is standing on tables making captain obvious proud with motherhood and apple pie rhetoric.
Yeah, this is believable. He's so relatable. I'm sure someone will get around to posting a paragraph to his wiki page of his programming exploits from his hacking days.
Between this, skateboarding as an adult, and his thoughtful and nuanced policy positions I think this Beto guy is pretty good.
Being a Texas voter who was paying attention to his policy positions as he lost to Cruz, I can tell you his positions may be nuanced, but they are NOT thoughtful. What they are is focus group tested, trite policy statements which when you press them are really just a mishmash of liberal talking points. Once he gets off his stump speech scripts, he totally breaks down on content, so if you press him on details, he doesn't have them to give... Or more to the point, won't actually be pinned down on the details, because the devil is in the details and there is no way it works when you start talking detail.
However, Beto.. AkA Robert... Does have a stage presence that is hard to match. He comes across as a natural on stage, plays to the audience well, looks good and knows how to give a speech. Reminds me of Dan Quale. He will appeal to the young crowd with his hobbies and stuff, but where the trappings are good, the substance is kind of bland.
However, the issue here is will he win the primary. I think the answer is no, not this time around. I see him finishing up at best #3, behind Sanders and Biden, but I'll not be surprised he's out long before the likes of Warren and Harris. So Beto is in this for 2024, everybody knows he's not got a prayer in 2020.
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Does the POTUS need to get security clearance the way any other government employee would or do they get it for free by being elected? I'm pretty sure by admitting you were involved in computer hacking would jeopardize that.
As all classified information is only classified under the authority of the POTUS (i.e. under an executive order), if you get elected to the presidency, you ARE THE authority and can grant yourself any and all accesses to classified information. So, your election is your clearance, effectively.
This also means that the POTUS can declassify any information they wish any time they chooses. It's all classified under his/her authority anyway.
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POTUS only gets mid-level clearance. He's mostly a figurehead for the masses, not a Constitutional CiC.
The Espionage Act of 1917 saw to it that the bureaucracy implemented compartmentalization and took actual control.
But go vote and get a sticker ... you're totally in control.
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OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
But hey, you n00bZ think that 2K of RAM is small.
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Finally someone who might get technology. On that alone, I'd give him a chance FFS... instead of being stuck with the pontificating tribe elders who only see a 'series-of-tubes'.
I remember Back Orifice. I hooked up Doom to Back Orifice with some custom C code. doom Hack. You could kill monsters that represented processes on remote machines.
Joseph Elwell.
Haha tacoland, how Texas scene of him.
I wonder what software he ran? I'd bet telegard.
I had to check to make sure it wasn't April 1st, when /. notoriously goes to shit.
I find this fact remarkable. I'm not sure if it makes him in touch or a criminal, but that kind of technical literacy in politics in interesting in it's own right.
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The President(also Vice President, Members of Congress, Supreme Court Justices, or other constitutional officers) do not get secuity clearances, because they are constitutional offices there is can be no other requirements. However the practice of need to know still applies to everyone, even the President(but to a limited amount)
Immediate family members of the President don't need security clearances but are considered to have be authorized to have full clearance. This is usually just spouses but historiclly has been children.
Finally since the authority for security clearances come from the President they can exempt people from the need to have them yet still have access to the classified material.
One of the benefits of all of that is that if you don't have a security clearance and are accessing classified material, you are not subject to all the laws dealing with the handling of that material. So if you were passing classified material in your personal email and the President declared you exempt to those rules it would be legally ok.
As for the hacking depending on the level, just because he was a member does not mean he did any actual hacking, the statue of limitations for most of those crimes in five years.
The parent was only pointing out the double-standards of left wing 'journalism'. He made no judgments about the candidate.
Now I want to punch him square in the mouth. It's personal, b&tch.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Hacking Windows ? Oh well, the real early hacker groups were hacking way before that. Think Commodore days. Think acoustically coupled modems.
Look at the quotes from his speech yesterday. He was off script and sounded exactly like Trump.
Seth Meyer even read his transcript in Trump's voice: https://youtu.be/CuXlBSuQbMo?t...
Does anyone know what his on-line or screen name was? With him running a BBC he must have had one and might have had a different one while messing in the hacker groups.
Look at the quotes from his speech yesterday. He was off script and sounded exactly like Trump.
Seth Meyer even read his transcript in Trump's voice: https://youtu.be/CuXlBSuQbMo?t...
So you're saying that Beto is eminently electable for 2020?
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He invented the Internet. (Not to be confused with the OTHER guy who invented the Internet.)
with her political policies?
I'm willing to take a candidate with a few warts when they're as on point with everything else as Warren. She's the one who got us the CFBP. Her opponents in the GOP OTOH are the ones who gutted it. Policy matters.
Also, missing from that little story is that it did NOT advance her career. It had no bearing on her application whatsoever. She was just a dumb college kid who liked to think of herself as Native American. Like when your Aunt tells you she was descended from royalty.
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everything I've heard him say sounds exactly like what I heard from Clinton (both of them). He's also backed down from Medicare for All, which is a deal breaker.
To be blunt, if I wanted another right of center candidate I've got Harris for that. But Beto knows this. He's not running for President, he's running for the VP on a more progressive ticket. He's Biden 2.0.
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Some people in the USA should learn the definition of traitor, that's for sure.
The September 1999 cover story for the late, great Boardwatch Magazine was my interview with Sir Dystic, which took place at the house in the Oakland Hills he shared with a half-dozen other members of the Cult of the Dead Cow.
Note that the link points to my own website, because no other web archive of the magazine from that period exists, afaik. But here's the Caltech Library citation for the article, in case you have any doubts about its provenance ...
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Hack the Planet!
Hmm ... all attempts to appear cool have failed so far ... er, uh, what about this, I'm a 133t hax0r! Yeah, that's it!
Oh, it's not a good system. But it is the system that exists.
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Well, in my defense, I was making the mistake of posting before 1st cup of J.
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Off the top of my head he advocates for - decency in the way we treat eachother
Let's just deal with that one point. Advocating for feeling good is not a policy position. Every sane person wants that. How does he propose to legislate how we treat each other?
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not a list of accomplishments, even if they're ones I can relate to. I don't need reliability, I need policies that help me and mine.
Bernie gets my vote because of Medicare for All (among other things). That Bernie's been a civil rights activist is secondary to that.
I look at it this way: I wouldn't vote for Jesse Jackson just because he was a civil rights activist, and I won't vote Beto just because he was a programmer.
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it was her State Bar Registration Card. I've yet to see anyone say there were any concrete advantages to that. Hell, I've known some Native Americans, if anything it hurt.
She was a goofy lefty college chick who wanted to believe she was an Indian princess. She grew out of it. I wish the rest of the country would. Her stance on banking regulation could spare us another recession if we'd only listen.
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Beto is a favorite of the Establishment. The same folks who gave you Hillary like Beto. He's right wing on virtually all issues you can get him to comment on.
The reason you can't get any straight answers out of him on policy is because voters are tired of the Establishment. If Hilary hadn't cheated and if her buddies at MSNBC hadn't orchestrated a campaign to ignore Bernie we'd be saying "President Bernie" right now and passing Medicare for All.
The Establishment doesn't want to pay for you and me to have heathcare, so the buried Bernie and promoted Hillary. They're trying to do the same with Biden/Beto. Don't fall for it. It's another snow job.
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That's racist! You're discriminating against him for being old! somebody should dox this guy!
Beto is a tool.
Security clearance for certain things is a given with the job. Like getting a desk in an office setting. I know a few people that most would think could never get a high security clearance.
As all classified information is only classified under the authority of the POTUS (i.e. under an executive order), if you get elected to the presidency, you ARE THE authority and can grant yourself any and all accesses to classified information. So, your election is your clearance, effectively.
Exactly. There was more than a bit of whinging about this fact when Bill Clinton was in office. I heard repeated many times "he would never have gotten a clearance if he wasn't elected president."
That was my initial reaction as well... Though I suppose one could probably slice thin-like-inlaw-ham the definitions that we might apply to groups from that era...
He is reknowned as a fundraiser.
That's his accomplishment; he raised a record amount of money for his senate run, and he's a Democrat from Texas which makes people feel dreamy.
I expect his popularity already went down as an actual candidate; a lot of people were preemptively supporting him now in anticipation of him being a candidate in `28. A lot of those people wouldn't have said such nice things about him in public if they knew he was running this cycle, in a crowded field.
Venerable? Yes. But oldest?
Wikipedia says cDc was founded in 1984. But it also says Chaos Computer Club has that beat by three years. And there are, or were, lots of others.
For instance: DECMUG (Digital Equipment Corporation MisUsers Group), which, though small, was well established by about 1973 IIRC.
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The phone phreaks that stole documents from AT&T to make their own boxes, were the real early hackers.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
If he's the Beto, when do we get the Release Candidate?
Politician: I'm a rockstar/actor! General Population: OMG I LOVE YOU Slashdot: Lol dummies Politician: I skateboarded and was a member of a script kiddie group nobody heard of or cares about. Slashdot: OMG I LOVE YOU!
2600 existed prior to cult of the dead cow. The 2600 group started publishing the hackers quarterly the same year cDc was founded. But existed many years before that.
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