Page 2 has the crux of the issue, Yahoo! claims if you add AAAA records that 0.078% of the user base "breaks", that is they understand a AAAA enough to try IPv6, but they lack IPv6 connectivity to the destination.
There was a time this made sense. A lot of early IPv6 deployments were islands without complete connectivity. Additionally, up until about 18 months ago there was a serious lack of IPv6 interconnectivity between ISPs, they were still figuring out how to turn up peering, filter, and so on.
However, times change. ISP's are now fairly well interconnected, and getting a lot better every day. Almost no one turns up IPv6 as an island anymore. Interestingly, some of the original islands still exist, on purpose, as they are test labs or other non-production deployments. The people use them expect them to be broken in some ways, in some cases to test what the user experience is when various things break. Indeed, I suspect the number of islands is small, and constant, and thus an ever decreasing percentage of the IPv6 user base.
Another large issue with the numbers is that they are only measuring the difference between the status quo and one of the four outcomes. A user could have:
A) Broken IPv4, Broken IPv6. B) Broken IPv4, Working IPv6. C) Working IPv4, Broken IPv6. D) Working IPv4, Working IPv6.
What Yahoo has done is measure the status quo (IPv4 only) to bullet point C.
However, there will be some folks in bullet B. These are folks who can't get to Yahoo! today at all, but would be able to if Yahoo! had AAAA's. Granted, it's probably smaller, but still is an offset. Basically they are trying to scare folks that 470k folks might not be able to access Yahoo with IPv6. However, 470k folks may already be unable to access it via IPv4, they just can't measure that right now because they never see the requests!
There is also the looming issue. As a we run out of IPv4 addresses (likely in late 2011) ISP's will basically be forced to turn up IPv6 only users. Even if you take Yahoo!'s numbers as correct, that 0.078% are broken, then all you would need is a larger percentage than that of the user base to be IPv6 ONLY and it makes more sense to have AAAA's and exclude them. Basically 1% deployment of IPv6 completely flips their argument if the goal is serving the largest number of folks.
My take, some folks inside Yahoo! collected some rather raw data early on in IPv6's life cycle. Folks from Marketing and such read too much into it, and went into a panic that some large number of users wouldn't be abel to get to Yahoo! This created a huge issue for the engineers trying to deploy IPv6, which they have been fighting ever since.
Cars last 10-20 years, which in the consumer electronics world might as well be the difference between the middle ages and today. No mater what system you so carefully install, it will be obsolete before the car, by a wide margin.
What cars need is a small space to install something like a MiFi. It should be a modular space so it can be swapped out over time, the key is to have power controlled by the key and enough space for access point type electronics. An input to the stereo is a huge plus.
Then get an iPad, or an Android Pad, or a netbook, or whatever is trendy next year. Connect to the Internet and be happy. CD, DVD players? What are those, I can put it all on an iPod. As long as I could AirPlay (or similar) to the box to the stereo, why install anything?
Automakers hate this, because it removes high profit items from the car; but it really is the future. Perhaps for the driver a standard docking station, so your pad type device can show you GPS maps and the like. A built in DVD player in the ceiling for the kids though is already on the way out, an iPad gives them more movies, games, and all at less cost....plus each kid can do what they want.
We need a new standard form factor or two. Clearly making an SSD in the size of a pattered hard drive makes no sense, but this product makes no sense either. It's just a way to steal power from another sort of slot. In addition to the form factor, I'm not sure SATA even makes sense anymore, so it may be time for a higher level rethink.
I'm not sure the best way to go, but there are some semi-obvious starting points. What about MiniPCI for SSD's? One or two on the motherboard could work well. Maybe a modified SATA design with the cable suppling power for SSD's? They could look like mini-USB sticks and plug directly into the connectors. Maybe we need an entirely new bus interface just for SSD's, and then put them in a SIMM/DIMM type package; that may be the best option for performance and size.
While folks seem to want to complain about the Apple Logo on the back as a "sticker" that's no different than any other laptop which also has the Logo, in plastic, on the back. It is orthogonal to the sticker issue. Indeed, I think the plain Apple is much more tasteful than most other companies logos.
But, Apple actually goes a step forward. Every machine I've purchased, and several non-computer Apple devices come with a sticker in the box. A ready for you to apply where YOU want sticker. Want it on your laptop, put it there. Want it on your car, put it there. Want to leave it in the box, good for you. If you like the Nascar look go for it, and if not, well, you have some taste.
For what it is worth, none of my cars have a dealership logo on them, because I ordered them and specified that they should not add one; they were quite happy to honor that request.
You are right from a technology perspective, but not correct from a real world perspective.
From a pure RF perspective AM frequencies can be picked up further away at the same power levels, provided no obstacles.
In the real world, AM radio starts off at a disadvantage, a 50,000 watt limit compared to FM's 100,000 watt limit. However it also turns out that the lower frequencies are more susceptible to interference, and don't penetrate buildings as well. AM is also greatly affected by the time of day, as atmospheric conditions make a huge difference.
This is why around a major city the 100,000 watt FM station can be pretty reliably picked up in a ~100 mile radius by a car antenna, but many AM stations are completely full of static and buzz, unlistenable right downtown.
The AutoTrain, with a single route is always sold out. Busses and planes can't take your car, and driving 2-5 days in your car is much less inviting than a relaxing train trip. A few high speed routes would attract a lot of people, ny and dc to Chicago, chicago to Denver, la, San Fran, and seattle. Cross country in 3-4 days with your car? I bet that would be popular.
Seems like if they loose money distributing these films the normal way, then piracy saves them money on distribution costs, and might actually make the films profitable!
20-30 different laptop batteries would represent standardization over the current situation.
Standard doesn't mean 1, it can mean a set. I'm happy keeping AA, AAA, C and D batteries around, I can deal with 4. It's every one different that's the problem.
You clearly don't manage any real networks. What you describe is totally useless.
Still, I've consulted at a few places where their "network engineers" would buy such a thing and use it to "manage" the network. Perhaps that's a good thing, as it is more consulting business for me.
I have an iPad, which can already pull up Cisco works and any other network monitor with a web interface (which is all of the useful ones), it does VPN, and 3G. I've tried to use it for my day job, a nice curiosity, but 100% the wrong form factor.
Plus, Cisco can't toss in a $50 SFP when you buy a million dollar router, no chance of them including something like this for free.
For reasons I do not understand using WiFi takes a lot more juice than using the cellular network. While many small devices, like a cell phone or iPod touch can do SIP, they get really hot and burn battery really fast. I would not consider any of them usable as a general purpose solution if you want reasonable talk time.
I don't know much about dedicated WiFi phones, there are some out there and they may be good choices. However, due to the battery issue, perhaps an iPad? The larger form factor provides a much larger battery. The same SIP apps that work on the Touch will work on the iPad. You might like it for other reasons too.:)
Well, let's see, the company is being sued for age discrimination, do you think you're going to join a group that labels you as old until you see the outcome?
Sticky = I don't want to figure out how to migrate my iTunes mp3's to Windows Media Player
Lock In = Outlook Encrypted PST files.
Sticky = I don't want to figure out how to get my e-mail archive transferred from Hotmail to Mac Mail.
Lock In mean you can't get your own data out because it is wrapped in something proprietary. Sticky means you can, but it isn't worth your time and effort.
Apple increases sticky by making it work across multiple devices. My music "just appears" on my computer, ipod and iPhone. Switching all three means migrating my songs to a new desktop os, a new phone os and a new media player with possibly thee new interfaces. That's a powerful incentive to not migrate.
The guy who stole/found the phone doesn't look too good from this report, but remember when Gizmodo was talking to him they didn't have Apple's side, or a full police report. They believed the guy tried to return it to Apple. If he didn't, that's on him, not Gizmodo. In that sense I think the receiving stolen property charge is bogus, they didn't know it was stolen, and indeed, even based on what the guy did I'm finding hard to believe it was stolen. Should he have made a better effort to return it to the police or Apple, probably, but at the root it sounds like he did find it.
However, it's clear to me where the Gizmodo guys went wrong was to disassemble the device. Had they taken pictures of it intact, put it on their blog and said "can anyone help us find the rightful owner" they would be making an attempt to return the device in the same condition they found it. I think the journalism shield laws can and should have protected them from the trade secret charge. But on the damaging the property, they are out there all on their own. There's no reasonable way to think disassembling it would have told you more about who owned the phone, there was simply no reason to do that. Even with pictures of just the outside of the device they still would have had one heck of a scoop.
I do think the most ludicrous claim is that this cost apple millions of dollars in lost sales. This didn't hurt Apple sales one dime. This likely boosted interest in the next generation phone. It's totally made up solely to make law enforcement think the case was worth pursuing, and I wish law enforcement would take a more skeptical eye of such intangible damages.
So, the guy who found it, probably not guilty of theft in my mind, but probably guilty of not trying to return the property, which I'm sure is a crime somehow. Gizmodo, probably guilty only of damaging the device, they shouldn't have tried to open it.
All things considered some very poor decision making all the way around.
How about all the students microwave their ID cards for 5 seconds destroying the RFID chip? When the attendance for every class reads 0 they will get the message.
It appears many of the responders have interpreted the "end of the PC era" to mean that in 5/10/15 years there will be no more PC's. This interpretation is amazingly stupid, and misses the entire point Steve is trying to make.
Steves point is that particular applications and use cases are moving away from the PC. We watched NetFlix and YouTube on a PC in the past because we needed to push out new software to a general purpose platform to support it. But that's not how most users want to watch it. My new TV streams both inside the TV. I'll never watch Netflix on my PC again.
A couple of years ago if I wanted to find a nearby restaurant I would have loaded Google Maps, searched, and clicked around on my PC. Today I take my iPhone off my belt, load UrbanSpoon or Yelp, and get more useful information plus a map I can take with me. I don't search for restaurants on my PC anymore.
People aren't going to get rid of their PC's, and the PC will always be the platform for really new innovation because of its general purpose nature and the ability to run new software. But PC's have effectively saturated the market. Maybe people need a desktop and a laptop, but no (consumers) need 10, 20, or 50 PC's per person. There is no growth.
But TV's, game consoles, smart phones, tablets and other form factors are just starting to do interesting things. They are doing them in a more convenient way much of the time, and in a way consumers are more likely to use. I can start a netflix movie on my TV with 3-4 remote presses. Compare to 5 years ago where you had to build a media center PC, hook it up to your TV, deal with all sorts of programs to get content, etc.
Steve's point is that while PC's are 95% of the way people access information today, they will be 50% in 10 years. Not because PC's have gone away, but because there is an explosion in other devices. So if you keep building for the PC, you'll be building for 50% of the market in 10 years. We'll still be doing word processing on a PC with a mouse and keyboard then, but other things will be done elsewhere.
If you think a machine sitting in a cube somewhere is "secure" just because it was originally installed by IT and is in the building, you're an idiot.
Office machines, be them company provided, or outside devices (laptops, smart phones, the copier, security system provided by someone else) should all be treated as insecure. Once they are treated as insecure (the same way you might say, treat machines in a hotel), private laptops are not an issue.
Even with your full disk encryption people can run VM's, boot off CD, clone all sorts of info, take the machine home at night. But see, this isn't about security, this is about an affirmative defense to HIPPA, and thus any security argument is moot.
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Yahoo! has been talking about this at conferences for a while, but I'm not sure they are using good data. Here's a lighting talk from NANOG about it:
http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog46/presentations/Tuesday/Igor_ipv6_recursive_light_N46.pdf
Page 2 has the crux of the issue, Yahoo! claims if you add AAAA records that 0.078% of the user base "breaks", that is they understand a AAAA enough to try IPv6, but they lack IPv6 connectivity to the destination.
There was a time this made sense. A lot of early IPv6 deployments were islands without complete connectivity. Additionally, up until about 18 months ago there was a serious lack of IPv6 interconnectivity between ISPs, they were still figuring out how to turn up peering, filter, and so on.
However, times change. ISP's are now fairly well interconnected, and getting a lot better every day. Almost no one turns up IPv6 as an island anymore. Interestingly, some of the original islands still exist, on purpose, as they are test labs or other non-production deployments. The people use them expect them to be broken in some ways, in some cases to test what the user experience is when various things break. Indeed, I suspect the number of islands is small, and constant, and thus an ever decreasing percentage of the IPv6 user base.
Another large issue with the numbers is that they are only measuring the difference between the status quo and one of the four outcomes. A user could have:
A) Broken IPv4, Broken IPv6.
B) Broken IPv4, Working IPv6.
C) Working IPv4, Broken IPv6.
D) Working IPv4, Working IPv6.
What Yahoo has done is measure the status quo (IPv4 only) to bullet point C.
However, there will be some folks in bullet B. These are folks who can't get to Yahoo! today at all, but would be able to if Yahoo! had AAAA's. Granted, it's probably smaller, but still is an offset. Basically they are trying to scare folks that 470k folks might not be able to access Yahoo with IPv6. However, 470k folks may already be unable to access it via IPv4, they just can't measure that right now because they never see the requests!
There is also the looming issue. As a we run out of IPv4 addresses (likely in late 2011) ISP's will basically be forced to turn up IPv6 only users. Even if you take Yahoo!'s numbers as correct, that 0.078% are broken, then all you would need is a larger percentage than that of the user base to be IPv6 ONLY and it makes more sense to have AAAA's and exclude them. Basically 1% deployment of IPv6 completely flips their argument if the goal is serving the largest number of folks.
My take, some folks inside Yahoo! collected some rather raw data early on in IPv6's life cycle. Folks from Marketing and such read too much into it, and went into a panic that some large number of users wouldn't be abel to get to Yahoo! This created a huge issue for the engineers trying to deploy IPv6, which they have been fighting ever since.
Cars last 10-20 years, which in the consumer electronics world might as well be the difference between the middle ages and today. No mater what system you so carefully install, it will be obsolete before the car, by a wide margin.
What cars need is a small space to install something like a MiFi. It should be a modular space so it can be swapped out over time, the key is to have power controlled by the key and enough space for access point type electronics. An input to the stereo is a huge plus.
Then get an iPad, or an Android Pad, or a netbook, or whatever is trendy next year. Connect to the Internet and be happy. CD, DVD players? What are those, I can put it all on an iPod. As long as I could AirPlay (or similar) to the box to the stereo, why install anything?
Automakers hate this, because it removes high profit items from the car; but it really is the future. Perhaps for the driver a standard docking station, so your pad type device can show you GPS maps and the like. A built in DVD player in the ceiling for the kids though is already on the way out, an iPad gives them more movies, games, and all at less cost....plus each kid can do what they want.
We need a new standard form factor or two. Clearly making an SSD in the size of a pattered hard drive makes no sense, but this product makes no sense either. It's just a way to steal power from another sort of slot. In addition to the form factor, I'm not sure SATA even makes sense anymore, so it may be time for a higher level rethink.
I'm not sure the best way to go, but there are some semi-obvious starting points. What about MiniPCI for SSD's? One or two on the motherboard could work well. Maybe a modified SATA design with the cable suppling power for SSD's? They could look like mini-USB sticks and plug directly into the connectors. Maybe we need an entirely new bus interface just for SSD's, and then put them in a SIMM/DIMM type package; that may be the best option for performance and size.
When the carriers have as much, or more to do with the selection than the consumer...
HDR
Focus Stacking
Panoramic Stitching
All in the camera, all 1-button easy to use, and all at once.
While folks seem to want to complain about the Apple Logo on the back as a "sticker" that's no different than any other laptop which also has the Logo, in plastic, on the back. It is orthogonal to the sticker issue. Indeed, I think the plain Apple is much more tasteful than most other companies logos.
But, Apple actually goes a step forward. Every machine I've purchased, and several non-computer Apple devices come with a sticker in the box. A ready for you to apply where YOU want sticker. Want it on your laptop, put it there. Want it on your car, put it there. Want to leave it in the box, good for you. If you like the Nascar look go for it, and if not, well, you have some taste.
For what it is worth, none of my cars have a dealership logo on them, because I ordered them and specified that they should not add one; they were quite happy to honor that request.
You are right from a technology perspective, but not correct from a real world perspective.
From a pure RF perspective AM frequencies can be picked up further away at the same power levels, provided no obstacles.
In the real world, AM radio starts off at a disadvantage, a 50,000 watt limit compared to FM's 100,000 watt limit. However it also turns out that the lower frequencies are more susceptible to interference, and don't penetrate buildings as well. AM is also greatly affected by the time of day, as atmospheric conditions make a huge difference.
This is why around a major city the 100,000 watt FM station can be pretty reliably picked up in a ~100 mile radius by a car antenna, but many AM stations are completely full of static and buzz, unlistenable right downtown.
The AutoTrain, with a single route is always sold out. Busses and planes can't take your car, and driving 2-5 days in your car is much less inviting than a relaxing train trip. A few high speed routes would attract a lot of people, ny and dc to Chicago, chicago to Denver, la, San Fran, and seattle. Cross country in 3-4 days with your car? I bet that would be popular.
Seems like if they loose money distributing these films the normal way, then piracy saves them money on distribution costs, and might actually make the films profitable!
20-30 different laptop batteries would represent standardization over the current situation.
Standard doesn't mean 1, it can mean a set. I'm happy keeping AA, AAA, C and D batteries around, I can deal with 4. It's every one different that's the problem.
I'm voting for TeX version 4.0, and MetaFont version 3.0.
I can think of nothing more that would get TeX folks in a lather.
You clearly don't manage any real networks. What you describe is totally useless.
Still, I've consulted at a few places where their "network engineers" would buy such a thing and use it to "manage" the network. Perhaps that's a good thing, as it is more consulting business for me.
I have an iPad, which can already pull up Cisco works and any other network monitor with a web interface (which is all of the useful ones), it does VPN, and 3G. I've tried to use it for my day job, a nice curiosity, but 100% the wrong form factor.
Plus, Cisco can't toss in a $50 SFP when you buy a million dollar router, no chance of them including something like this for free.
For reasons I do not understand using WiFi takes a lot more juice than using the cellular network. While many small devices, like a cell phone or iPod touch can do SIP, they get really hot and burn battery really fast. I would not consider any of them usable as a general purpose solution if you want reasonable talk time.
I don't know much about dedicated WiFi phones, there are some out there and they may be good choices. However, due to the battery issue, perhaps an iPad? The larger form factor provides a much larger battery. The same SIP apps that work on the Touch will work on the iPad. You might like it for other reasons too. :)
I've been waiting to connect to my 8M Cable modem with 100GE for a while now. Finally, no more bottleneck!
Well, let's see, the company is being sued for age discrimination, do you think you're going to join a group that labels you as old until you see the outcome?
That got cleared up so quickly and easily, I'm impressed!
I checked out the Slashdot.jp article, and got absolutely nothing out of it.
Why would those who read a roman alphabet be directed to a site in Japanese for more information?
Really? Can I buy that yet?
Lock In = iTunes AAC w/FairPlay DRM
Sticky = I don't want to figure out how to migrate my iTunes mp3's to Windows Media Player
Lock In = Outlook Encrypted PST files.
Sticky = I don't want to figure out how to get my e-mail archive transferred from Hotmail to Mac Mail.
Lock In mean you can't get your own data out because it is wrapped in something proprietary. Sticky means you can, but it isn't worth your time and effort.
Apple increases sticky by making it work across multiple devices. My music "just appears" on my computer, ipod and iPhone. Switching all three means migrating my songs to a new desktop os, a new phone os and a new media player with possibly thee new interfaces. That's a powerful incentive to not migrate.
The guy who stole/found the phone doesn't look too good from this report, but remember when Gizmodo was talking to him they didn't have Apple's side, or a full police report. They believed the guy tried to return it to Apple. If he didn't, that's on him, not Gizmodo. In that sense I think the receiving stolen property charge is bogus, they didn't know it was stolen, and indeed, even based on what the guy did I'm finding hard to believe it was stolen. Should he have made a better effort to return it to the police or Apple, probably, but at the root it sounds like he did find it.
However, it's clear to me where the Gizmodo guys went wrong was to disassemble the device. Had they taken pictures of it intact, put it on their blog and said "can anyone help us find the rightful owner" they would be making an attempt to return the device in the same condition they found it. I think the journalism shield laws can and should have protected them from the trade secret charge. But on the damaging the property, they are out there all on their own. There's no reasonable way to think disassembling it would have told you more about who owned the phone, there was simply no reason to do that. Even with pictures of just the outside of the device they still would have had one heck of a scoop.
I do think the most ludicrous claim is that this cost apple millions of dollars in lost sales. This didn't hurt Apple sales one dime. This likely boosted interest in the next generation phone. It's totally made up solely to make law enforcement think the case was worth pursuing, and I wish law enforcement would take a more skeptical eye of such intangible damages.
So, the guy who found it, probably not guilty of theft in my mind, but probably guilty of not trying to return the property, which I'm sure is a crime somehow. Gizmodo, probably guilty only of damaging the device, they shouldn't have tried to open it.
All things considered some very poor decision making all the way around.
How about all the students microwave their ID cards for 5 seconds destroying the RFID chip? When the attendance for every class reads 0 they will get the message.
It appears many of the responders have interpreted the "end of the PC era" to mean that in 5/10/15 years there will be no more PC's. This interpretation is amazingly stupid, and misses the entire point Steve is trying to make.
Steves point is that particular applications and use cases are moving away from the PC. We watched NetFlix and YouTube on a PC in the past because we needed to push out new software to a general purpose platform to support it. But that's not how most users want to watch it. My new TV streams both inside the TV. I'll never watch Netflix on my PC again.
A couple of years ago if I wanted to find a nearby restaurant I would have loaded Google Maps, searched, and clicked around on my PC. Today I take my iPhone off my belt, load UrbanSpoon or Yelp, and get more useful information plus a map I can take with me. I don't search for restaurants on my PC anymore.
People aren't going to get rid of their PC's, and the PC will always be the platform for really new innovation because of its general purpose nature and the ability to run new software. But PC's have effectively saturated the market. Maybe people need a desktop and a laptop, but no (consumers) need 10, 20, or 50 PC's per person. There is no growth.
But TV's, game consoles, smart phones, tablets and other form factors are just starting to do interesting things. They are doing them in a more convenient way much of the time, and in a way consumers are more likely to use. I can start a netflix movie on my TV with 3-4 remote presses. Compare to 5 years ago where you had to build a media center PC, hook it up to your TV, deal with all sorts of programs to get content, etc.
Steve's point is that while PC's are 95% of the way people access information today, they will be 50% in 10 years. Not because PC's have gone away, but because there is an explosion in other devices. So if you keep building for the PC, you'll be building for 50% of the market in 10 years. We'll still be doing word processing on a PC with a mouse and keyboard then, but other things will be done elsewhere.
This is why I got out of corporate IT.
If you think a machine sitting in a cube somewhere is "secure" just because it was originally installed by IT and is in the building, you're an idiot.
Office machines, be them company provided, or outside devices (laptops, smart phones, the copier, security system provided by someone else) should all be treated as insecure. Once they are treated as insecure (the same way you might say, treat machines in a hotel), private laptops are not an issue.
Even with your full disk encryption people can run VM's, boot off CD, clone all sorts of info, take the machine home at night. But see, this isn't about security, this is about an affirmative defense to HIPPA, and thus any security argument is moot.
Yes, I would totally buy one. This would be awesome on my desk.
You clearly don't understand our politicians ability to screw something like this up.
[Waits to see if this gets modded funny or insightful.] *sigh*