I would rather have faster processors than multiple cores, as it is not enough is multi-threaded. Even the highest end 3D apps, their render engines are SMP capable, but all geometry translation/deformation is not. That would be one core right? Unless multiple cores could show up as one single core/proc in the OS..
You are completely wrong. CG means Computer Generated. The simpsons and futurama have nothing to do with this thread, this is 3D geometry. The simpsons are in no way 3D rendered in an NPR style. They are stack scanned key drawings (sometimes drawn on a computer) but have nothing to do with 3D animation. By 'CG' you mean computer colored.
I am just going to reply to myself in order to reply to most of what was said here.
You all talk about things like Tarzan, and SouthPark. These are 2D animated characters placed on flat planes in a 3D environment. Saying Tarzan was 3D is a huge slap in the face to the best sketch artist/animator that has ever lived: Glen Keane.
You talk about Futurama's use of 3D, and how some things are rigid; yes, disney and many others have moved to using cel shaded 3D for vehicles; this is nowhere _close_ to drawing them. Take a look at some of the vehicles from Fate of Atlantis, and then look at Cruella DeVille's car and tell me which one has character.
Speaking of character, to my knowledge, the only full 3d cel shaded character that has had his share of shots was the robot in Treasure Planet. Yeah sure robots in other movies, but they never really emoted much.
When the computer renders something for you, it is in perfect perspective, there is no line difference between frames. It is rigid and cold. The ship in Futurama is this rigid object that rotates on an odd axis, and never really squashes and stretches, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
This is the problem that 3D and 2D have, they are not the same, and do not fit together; don't take my word for it, go see the latest abortion of the Ghost in the Shell franchise.
Programs like this will never replace drawing. 3D Geometry is far too rigid. These types on Non-Photo-Real techniques have been around for years. (Although this is a great attempt). It will be many, many years before we can emulate 2D animation with 3D, and then, what's the point, why not draw it? Not to say that there aren't great applications for NPR like the non photorealistic camera, shown off at SIGGRAPH 2004. It uses multiple flashes and an edge detection algorithm to define hard edges; great for endoscopy and many other functions...
"We must allow this research, I mean some day this could allow Chris Reeve to.. oh.."
"Michael J Fox, you know him right? Well someday.."
I believe they should talk to people about the issues and the benefits instead of the constant name dropping of a few celebrities stem cells and cloning could *magically* heal. And since when is scientific research in line with religious dogma or morality? Science is the terrier that tugs at the great curtain. As we legislate based on dogma, many other countries are passing us by in science and technology.
I have a Gmini 120 and I purchased a 40gb CREATIVE Jukebox for my brother, and within hours we took it back. It REQUIRED a driver install, and an 11MB 'Jukebox Explorer' add on to move files to it, and it could not store files larger than 500mb without errors. Also, it only read ID3 tage and maintained a database you would sort through. So if your albums didnt have ID3 tags you were screwed, on top of that you couldn't have dupee database entries, so any albums with general ID3 tags wouldn't transfer to it.. BLAH!
The Archos players are auto recognized as ext USB drives. they work with ID3 or/artist/album/track heirarchies.. I love them.
Archos has changed their products a _LOT_ since you purchased yours. I have had almost every generation player they have released up to the Gmini 120 and they make very solid stuff -they all still work!
My old Jukebox recorder (like yours) was dropped (by a friend using it) into the ocean (read: completely submerged). We fished it out, and on a whim dried it out thoroughly at a low heat, and it WORKED AGAIN!
Not to mention Archos value, and support for advanced users. Such a community has grown up around the old Jukebox recorders that there is a website available to fix nearly any issue. Especially bad cracked solder joints.
The Jukeboxes (20GB) were available on Amazon.com and other places for 90 dollars for a time. And yes they were cheaply made, but hats off to Archos for bring HD players to the masses, and now Portable Media Players..
Everyone has different needs, I am buying the Gmini400 which is smaller and cheaper, but plays video, for my brother who lives in Japan and has a 2 hour commute daily to/from school. This would be great for that. The Gmini 400 even plays simple pixelart games.
Their Gmini 400 is only 30 dollars more than a 20gb iPod, and has a lot of the same functions listed int he article (no PVR, smaller screen, 20GB). I have been an Archos customer for a long time, the Gmini 120 is one of the best devices I have ever owned! And I am actually buying a Gmini 400 today for my brother.
Anyone who is considering a high 200's priced MP3 player (iRiver, iPod, etc..) should take a look at the Gmini 400. And on the cheap, the Gmini 120 (~$150) is a great product!
Amazon has a new remastered Spaceballs DVD soon to be released. Aparently it has a lot of new scenes, here's a blurb from Mel Brooks:
"When we created the original SpaceBalls, we really didn't have enough money or the ability to fulfill my full artistic vision, but thanks to the dawn of computer graphics, the remastered SpaceBalls I DVD will finally allow the public to see my full, unhindered, artistic vision."
New features include: - A CG sidekick Jin Dar Jinx, who beguiles audiences with his slapstick 'off-the-hook' hijinx! - A 2 hour space battle. - Set extensions created with 3D computer graphics modeled after miniature sets, which were used as matte backdrops in the original film! - Computer Generated spacecraft copies of original model spacecraft, now allowing for motion blur! - New, more realistic, contemporary, engine sounds for galatic space ships.
Sure, they dont have slot loading features and arent made of metal, because many of the ones online are $999-$1,000.
I think it's very funny how this was moded up to a 5 when people were reading the comment, then over time, as people returned, trickle by trickle, it got modded down..
Although it looks like a great, easy way to pop Linux machines into expensive cars and places with a small form factor for people who can afford to pay extra for things that look pretty, it kind of annoys me sometimes how Apple latches onto ideas that have been around for ages and tries to tout them as 'unique' and 'truly modern'. Read the linked page, it's an 'innovative architecture' that 'dwells in an enchanting display'..
I mean it's nothing new, they bought Pioneer DVDRs, and called them 'Super Drive's' "Only Apple has the 'Super Drive'", or the "First 64 bit Desktop"...
I used to be a big fan of Apple, but sometimes they just need to nose down out of the clouds, it looks like a great machine, but it's not too innovative.. Heh, it 'provides hardware transform and lighting (T&L)', as a computer animator/TD this had me on the floor, its been years since I saw people bragging about T&L like it's some rare feature!
I feel this was pretty straight and to the point, nothing glossed over or biasedly bashed, but for some reason I will still get modded down, Apple fans rule with an iron fist..:)
It seems that the RIAA is hiring programmers to 'alter current internal software suite ('AutoSue CopyProtector') to incorporate new networks and TCP IP protocols..'
At SIGGRAPH this year there was a material that could measure force and direction, it was called GelForce, and it was one of the most amazing things I saw. I was on the E-Tech subcommittee, and it was in our venue; it was so fun to play with, and their demo was great!
This looks to be a bit more advanced and a lot more expensive (than GelForce), but nonetheless, there are other people who have been creating these materials with the same applications.
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I do a lot of work with interactive art pieces. And using the exact same components they used, they could have let you move the 'paddles' physically. The controllers werent needed. The belts keep track of the location on the plane, and even better (but digital), they could have used a camera to opticcally locate them. I guess I should have elaborated.
One of the pillars of Google's trusty algorithms is finding what sites link to URLs, that's how it ranks (nay?). If it is illegal for ISPs to provide links to said URLs, wouldn't they not be in the China link database anyhow? And if China linked to them because it compared databases with those of other countries, wouldn't it be getting normal people into trouble by serving them links to illegal material, whether or not they knew it to be such?
It just seems like a touchy subject, and I think a lot of people like to jump up and down assuming other places/countries are peopled by others like ourselves.
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Why are there control sticks?, why not control it manually like air hocky.
Why not just fund your own shitty record company, then find people that have copies of your artists in unprotected ('shared') folders available via ftp, or http. Then sue Microsoft, because they make Internet Explorer, and the DOS FTP client. You can even produce a lot of data to turn heads, i'm sure 99.9% of all illegal software distributed around the world in the past 10 years was sent via FTP --It must be stopped!!
Or turn it into another suite based on the same principals. Sue Grokster because they are facilitating in the trade of child pornography, or sue M$ because people use IE for the same..
Oh yeah, PCBs go bad all the time. Wait, processors and PCBs are probably the most reliable things in all of our electronics. When a processor or PCB breaks, it's due to something that these chips would not be able to 'self-heal', like horrible electrical damage or overheating. How about a *true* self healing HD or optical media (CD/DVD).
Maybe in a much larger scale, perhaps a motherboard that has reprogrammable chips, so that when your modem burns out from a power surge, it can reprogram some other modular chipset (audio, etc, to take over) would work. But that would mean every chip would be re-taskable, and more powerful than needed to do it's job, so that it could take distributed tasks from another. It would also be the end of specialized chips, and a lot more expensive.
That there are clickable areas hidden in the batman logo. They appear to link to photos; I just thought it was odd. They also have place holder things like 'legal information goes here'.
I don't really see how you misunderstood me. Wifi is expensive, which is why people look for free spots. Yes, the card is ~40 bucks, but unlimited wifi on sprint or T-Mobile something else that has decent coverage is easily 40-90 bucks a month or more. In addition to a cellular bill or something.
By people 'looking for free wifi' they are admitting that paying for it is cost prohibitive, but they could still afford a laughably expensive iPod, and they live in one of the most expensive cities in the world.
These people are looking for free wifi usually because they feel 'cool' like the cheated the man or something, not because they can't afford it, or because they are extremely frugal. If they were penny pinchers they wouldn't own an iPod.
A while back I bought an Archos Gmini 20GB MP3 player for 169.99. It blows the iPod out of the water:
- built in CF reader/digital wallet - on the fly vari-bit mp3/wav encode via built in mic or SPDIF in - modular upgradable decompressors/players (wav, mp3,wma,etc) - 8 hour batt life - linux support - NTSC JPG photo display (zoom/pan) via ext RCA cable(extensible image plugins) - and of course, USB1/USB2 attached 20GB HD
I love it so much, I'll never understand why people buy into a 'style' branding or something. Even players that -- really -- blow the ipod out of the water, like the 40-60GB iRiver with its 16 hour battery life and bells and whistles (costing less); people buy the iPod because it 'looks cool'. It's the same people that buy the Jaguar because the lady in the commercial has a british accent, and are oblivious to the fact that it's just a fricking Ford.
However, I am glad that despite all the foaming at the mouth Applle people modding me down, the thread is still only modded down to a 4 now. Maybe you can email the link to your friends and get them in on the action; it'll be a 1 in no time!
We can say whatever we want. It doesn't matter how much money they are sucking into their gullets -copyright infringement is still against the law. A lot of people ignore this 'if the industry is making a profit, that means I'm not hurting anything, which means it must be legal.' -OR- 'Sure I downloaded all the Lord of the Rings on BT, but I saw it a BILLION times in the theater!'
no.
You should fight to repeal laws you feel are unjust. Do not just surreptitiously break them because you don't agree with them.
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I would rather have faster processors than multiple cores, as it is not enough is multi-threaded. Even the highest end 3D apps, their render engines are SMP capable, but all geometry translation/deformation is not. That would be one core right? Unless multiple cores could show up as one single core/proc in the OS..
"...will base the pricing on the number of processors the operating system shows present in the machine"
You are completely wrong. CG means Computer Generated. The simpsons and futurama have nothing to do with this thread, this is 3D geometry. The simpsons are in no way 3D rendered in an NPR style. They are stack scanned key drawings (sometimes drawn on a computer) but have nothing to do with 3D animation. By 'CG' you mean computer colored.
I am just going to reply to myself in order to reply to most of what was said here.
You all talk about things like Tarzan, and SouthPark. These are 2D animated characters placed on flat planes in a 3D environment. Saying Tarzan was 3D is a huge slap in the face to the best sketch artist/animator that has ever lived: Glen Keane.
You talk about Futurama's use of 3D, and how some things are rigid; yes, disney and many others have moved to using cel shaded 3D for vehicles; this is nowhere _close_ to drawing them. Take a look at some of the vehicles from Fate of Atlantis, and then look at Cruella DeVille's car and tell me which one has character.
Speaking of character, to my knowledge, the only full 3d cel shaded character that has had his share of shots was the robot in Treasure Planet. Yeah sure robots in other movies, but they never really emoted much.
When the computer renders something for you, it is in perfect perspective, there is no line difference between frames. It is rigid and cold. The ship in Futurama is this rigid object that rotates on an odd axis, and never really squashes and stretches, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
This is the problem that 3D and 2D have, they are not the same, and do not fit together; don't take my word for it, go see the latest abortion of the Ghost in the Shell franchise.
Programs like this will never replace drawing. 3D Geometry is far too rigid. These types on Non-Photo-Real techniques have been around for years. (Although this is a great attempt). It will be many, many years before we can emulate 2D animation with 3D, and then, what's the point, why not draw it? Not to say that there aren't great applications for NPR like the non photorealistic camera, shown off at SIGGRAPH 2004. It uses multiple flashes and an edge detection algorithm to define hard edges; great for endoscopy and many other functions...
"We must allow this research, I mean some day this could allow Chris Reeve to.. oh.."
"Michael J Fox, you know him right? Well someday.."
I believe they should talk to people about the issues and the benefits instead of the constant name dropping of a few celebrities stem cells and cloning could *magically* heal. And since when is scientific research in line with religious dogma or morality? Science is the terrier that tugs at the great curtain. As we legislate based on dogma, many other countries are passing us by in science and technology.
I have a Gmini 120 and I purchased a 40gb CREATIVE Jukebox for my brother, and within hours we took it back. It REQUIRED a driver install, and an 11MB 'Jukebox Explorer' add on to move files to it, and it could not store files larger than 500mb without errors. Also, it only read ID3 tage and maintained a database you would sort through. So if your albums didnt have ID3 tags you were screwed, on top of that you couldn't have dupee database entries, so any albums with general ID3 tags wouldn't transfer to it.. BLAH!
/artist/album/track heirarchies.. I love them.
The Archos players are auto recognized as ext USB drives. they work with ID3 or
Archos has changed their products a _LOT_ since you purchased yours. I have had almost every generation player they have released up to the Gmini 120 and they make very solid stuff -they all still work!
My old Jukebox recorder (like yours) was dropped (by a friend using it) into the ocean (read: completely submerged). We fished it out, and on a whim dried it out thoroughly at a low heat, and it WORKED AGAIN!
Not to mention Archos value, and support for advanced users. Such a community has grown up around the old Jukebox recorders that there is a website available to fix nearly any issue. Especially bad cracked solder joints.
The Jukeboxes (20GB) were available on Amazon.com and other places for 90 dollars for a time. And yes they were cheaply made, but hats off to Archos for bring HD players to the masses, and now Portable Media Players..
Everyone has different needs, I am buying the Gmini400 which is smaller and cheaper, but plays video, for my brother who lives in Japan and has a 2 hour commute daily to/from school. This would be great for that. The Gmini 400 even plays simple pixelart games.
Their Gmini 400 is only 30 dollars more than a 20gb iPod, and has a lot of the same functions listed int he article (no PVR, smaller screen, 20GB). I have been an Archos customer for a long time, the Gmini 120 is one of the best devices I have ever owned! And I am actually buying a Gmini 400 today for my brother.
Anyone who is considering a high 200's priced MP3 player (iRiver, iPod, etc..) should take a look at the Gmini 400. And on the cheap, the Gmini 120 (~$150) is a great product!
Amazon has a new remastered Spaceballs DVD soon to be released. Aparently it has a lot of new scenes, here's a blurb from Mel Brooks:
"When we created the original SpaceBalls, we really didn't have enough money or the ability to fulfill my full artistic vision, but thanks to the dawn of computer graphics, the remastered SpaceBalls I DVD will finally allow the public to see my full, unhindered, artistic vision."
New features include:
- A CG sidekick Jin Dar Jinx, who beguiles audiences with his slapstick 'off-the-hook' hijinx!
- A 2 hour space battle.
- Set extensions created with 3D computer graphics modeled after miniature sets, which were used as matte backdrops in the original film!
- Computer Generated spacecraft copies of original model spacecraft, now allowing for motion blur!
- New, more realistic, contemporary, engine sounds for galatic space ships.
Sure, they picked some huge thing, these computers have been around for ages, and many are barely distinguishable from the new iMac, here are two:
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Sure, they dont have slot loading features and arent made of metal, because many of the ones online are $999-$1,000.
I think it's very funny how this was moded up to a 5 when people were reading the comment, then over time, as people returned, trickle by trickle, it got modded down..
No, I was talking about Yellow Dog, or any other PPC flavor.
Although it looks like a great, easy way to pop Linux machines into expensive cars and places with a small form factor for people who can afford to pay extra for things that look pretty, it kind of annoys me sometimes how Apple latches onto ideas that have been around for ages and tries to tout them as 'unique' and 'truly modern'. Read the linked page, it's an 'innovative architecture' that 'dwells in an enchanting display'..
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I mean it's nothing new, they bought Pioneer DVDRs, and called them 'Super Drive's' "Only Apple has the 'Super Drive'", or the "First 64 bit Desktop"...
I used to be a big fan of Apple, but sometimes they just need to nose down out of the clouds, it looks like a great machine, but it's not too innovative.. Heh, it 'provides hardware transform and lighting (T&L)', as a computer animator/TD this had me on the floor, its been years since I saw people bragging about T&L like it's some rare feature!
I feel this was pretty straight and to the point, nothing glossed over or biasedly bashed, but for some reason I will still get modded down, Apple fans rule with an iron fist..
It seems that the RIAA is hiring programmers to 'alter current internal software suite ('AutoSue CopyProtector') to incorporate new networks and TCP IP protocols..'
At SIGGRAPH this year there was a material that could measure force and direction, it was called GelForce, and it was one of the most amazing things I saw. I was on the E-Tech subcommittee, and it was in our venue; it was so fun to play with, and their demo was great!
This looks to be a bit more advanced and a lot more expensive (than GelForce), but nonetheless, there are other people who have been creating these materials with the same applications.
I do a lot of work with interactive art pieces. And using the exact same components they used, they could have let you move the 'paddles' physically. The controllers werent needed. The belts keep track of the location on the plane, and even better (but digital), they could have used a camera to opticcally locate them. I guess I should have elaborated.
One of the pillars of Google's trusty algorithms is finding what sites link to URLs, that's how it ranks (nay?). If it is illegal for ISPs to provide links to said URLs, wouldn't they not be in the China link database anyhow? And if China linked to them because it compared databases with those of other countries, wouldn't it be getting normal people into trouble by serving them links to illegal material, whether or not they knew it to be such?
It just seems like a touchy subject, and I think a lot of people like to jump up and down assuming other places/countries are peopled by others like ourselves.
Why are there control sticks?, why not control it manually like air hocky.
Why not just fund your own shitty record company, then find people that have copies of your artists in unprotected ('shared') folders available via ftp, or http. Then sue Microsoft, because they make Internet Explorer, and the DOS FTP client. You can even produce a lot of data to turn heads, i'm sure 99.9% of all illegal software distributed around the world in the past 10 years was sent via FTP --It must be stopped!!
Or turn it into another suite based on the same principals. Sue Grokster because they are facilitating in the trade of child pornography, or sue M$ because people use IE for the same..
Oh yeah, PCBs go bad all the time. Wait, processors and PCBs are probably the most reliable things in all of our electronics. When a processor or PCB breaks, it's due to something that these chips would not be able to 'self-heal', like horrible electrical damage or overheating. How about a *true* self healing HD or optical media (CD/DVD).
Maybe in a much larger scale, perhaps a motherboard that has reprogrammable chips, so that when your modem burns out from a power surge, it can reprogram some other modular chipset (audio, etc, to take over) would work. But that would mean every chip would be re-taskable, and more powerful than needed to do it's job, so that it could take distributed tasks from another. It would also be the end of specialized chips, and a lot more expensive.
That there are clickable areas hidden in the batman logo. They appear to link to photos; I just thought it was odd. They also have place holder things like 'legal information goes here'.
I don't really see how you misunderstood me. Wifi is expensive, which is why people look for free spots. Yes, the card is ~40 bucks, but unlimited wifi on sprint or T-Mobile something else that has decent coverage is easily 40-90 bucks a month or more. In addition to a cellular bill or something.
By people 'looking for free wifi' they are admitting that paying for it is cost prohibitive, but they could still afford a laughably expensive iPod, and they live in one of the most expensive cities in the world.
These people are looking for free wifi usually because they feel 'cool' like the cheated the man or something, not because they can't afford it, or because they are extremely frugal. If they were penny pinchers they wouldn't own an iPod.
A while back I bought an Archos Gmini 20GB MP3 player for 169.99. It blows the iPod out of the water:
- built in CF reader/digital wallet
- on the fly vari-bit mp3/wav encode via built in mic or SPDIF in
- modular upgradable decompressors/players (wav, mp3,wma,etc)
- 8 hour batt life
- linux support
- NTSC JPG photo display (zoom/pan) via ext RCA cable(extensible image plugins)
- and of course, USB1/USB2 attached 20GB HD
I love it so much, I'll never understand why people buy into a 'style' branding or something. Even players that -- really -- blow the ipod out of the water, like the 40-60GB iRiver with its 16 hour battery life and bells and whistles (costing less); people buy the iPod because it 'looks cool'. It's the same people that buy the Jaguar because the lady in the commercial has a british accent, and are oblivious to the fact that it's just a fricking Ford.
However, I am glad that despite all the foaming at the mouth Applle people modding me down, the thread is still only modded down to a 4 now. Maybe you can email the link to your friends and get them in on the action; it'll be a 1 in no time!
It's funny, because if anyone can afford to pay for wifi; it's iPod owners.
We can say whatever we want. It doesn't matter how much money they are sucking into their gullets -copyright infringement is still against the law. A lot of people ignore this 'if the industry is making a profit, that means I'm not hurting anything, which means it must be legal.' -OR- 'Sure I downloaded all the Lord of the Rings on BT, but I saw it a BILLION times in the theater!'
no.
You should fight to repeal laws you feel are unjust.
Do not just surreptitiously break them because you don't agree with them.