The great gentoo documentation (wich I recognises as such from a technical standpoint) made me fail my first attempt to install a gentoo. I was kinda aiming low on purpose but it wasnt enough: I tried a stage3 installation from a live cd, alas the installation documentation mixes in every paragraphe stage1, stage2, and stage3. Puzzling at best for the novice, if you want my word on it. On the other hand, and before you think I'm too clueless, I started a long time ago with slackware, and recently managed to install another source distro, sorcery linux, with no problem whatsoever.
The MDK being the linux based OS of MandrakeSoft and in its tenth iterations, it was even planned to be named: GNU/Linux MS OS X Then someone said: "maybe the ridiculous trial with the wizard is enough?"
9.2 was available around 2 weeks (it felt even more) after the club release. I know, my club contribution had stopped a little bit ealier and my bank really didnt want me to even feed myself at that time. Starving and not being able to download your distro, that's really hard times. It could have been worse tho', I could have been on windows.
Yes, sure! How many person would at his job pass along the kind of information that are available here: -They believe spector is either a terrible liar or completly delusional and finished. They havent decided yet. -We released crap and they know it. They firmly know that our next release is going to be crap. -they fart in our general direction.
I guess we can only hope that Thief benifits from the lessons learned in makeing Deus Ex 2 Since he recognizes only this error and then says that they didnt have to dumb down the game to make it a console one, i think that this hope relies on the fact that all he said in this article was just plain commercail talking and not the expression of truth. Otherwise, no, he didnt realize that.
Sorry, but no. Fourrer, is used in french slang (argot) to mean "fuck". So "fourtou" can well be heard as "fourre tout" (wich is also a bag or a place where you put anything with no order), wich means "fuck all". Its proper use: fourrer
Mandrake announced in their last community newsletter that they are teaming up with a french company specialised in putting up modilarised live cds for big companies. It wasnt translated in english, so maybe they are only working in France? Here it is for those who can read french (or want to have a good laugh through babelfish): http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/p ress/pr?n=/pr/partnerships/2454&wslan
Actually, my pal mandrake cook them for me, and he kinda put a lot of extra stuff with them, making them really better than if I'd cook them myself. Well, he DO sell them, but I'm not obliged to pay. Which I do anyway, since he's my friend and I'd rather have him continue to cook for me than to be OBLIGED to go back to Mc crapold.
The appeal and all can last another 4 uears. So they arent in a hurry to change the domain and all. They also appeal the "too high" fine since they showed their goodwill when they made substantial changes in order to make sure that no confusion can arise from the 2 marks.
I'm not going into the wine/winex points you raise, but when I tried both winex and cvs winex, with the cvs winex, you had less working games than with the binary winex. So it's hardly a good point to start a comparaison with vanilla wine. Let's compare winex and the wine that one can get with its distro of choice and the wine one can get by compilling it.
Yes, and as I said, are they willing to do it twice? If not, and my personnal bet is that they dont, then they will have to cut the prices somewhere. Since the xbox factories are already delocalised in china, the only other way is to nerf the features and/or lower the quality. Because, there arent that many people ready to put so much in a console, and it doesnt look like there will be more soon.
So let's hope for you that they stick with the harddrive and the costly design. As much as I understand all your points, they all depend on them doing it again with the xbox2: -expensive harddrive for the nice os updates and savegames and patches and updated content. -expensive strong cable and materials. -expensive game compagnies to buy to lock them to the xbox, so there can be those exclusive games you like so much (you know, Bungie wouldnt have been bought, they would have made halo for the console anyway, except it would have been for the consoleS). -expensive xbox live to host the games and offer the bandwith for almost nothing.
Of course, all this depends on 2 things: either redmond is willing to waste another few billions on it or suddenly rich gamers ready to cough so much on a console will appear by millions.
when I first heard about the sales in japan, on slashdot mind you, they were selling less than the original black and white game boy each week. And the new one was out.
The question is would you have been as happy without the creative adaptation to the hardware that anybody can't do, and if you were judging it as a gamer only? Also, the article is pretty much us centered in his judgement. If anyone else had made so poor world wide without being as cash stuffed (think sega and the great dreamcast), they would bail out or just go bankrupt.
How is a game designed for a PC instead of a console allegedly superior? A good console game design can be wasted when ported to the pc by bad design decision. The size and the feel of the deus ex II interface comes immediatly to my mind. The size, the ergonomy, what a waste of pixels in a game where you expect to be completly taken by and into the surroundings of the action aka the universe, and not by and against the interface.
A good pc game that rely on the pc particularities, like you said the keyboard and the mouse for example, cannot be ported to a console without a keyboard and a mouse. I have nothing against console gamepad and console game design, I had some of my best memories of games under the cbm 64 with a one button joystick.
So it's not about pc or console games being better, it's about console and pcs not having the same interfaces, meaning different games, and gamers looking for different things, as you said yourself. If I had to force me into detailing their true diffence, I would say the pc is more versatile and the console is more reactive. But it's a cheap statement.
The people who decided that it should be for console primarily did. Yes, that's the problem. The console market is so huge, this dumbass is listened to. When someone figures out that the port don't sell well because they're designed for console and suck in front of regular pc games, and if they can make more selling a pc version than it cost to have it adapted, then we wont see such fiasco again. Otherwise, they will continue to release those hmmm things. Dreamcast... best console ever... what a shame. Another one. Stupid market, stupid executives, stupid customers.
I'm a gamer since 74 and taito space invaders. I've been on linux for 4 years and never looked back. I don't need this huge quantity of games. I just need a few game i can play for years. Quake3 mods still do it (hey! quake2 mods still do it. Action quake2 is still the greatest mod ever.) NWN can last for years. I got anachronox at the bargain bin, and this one too will last for years. I have system shock 2 on my shelf and wait for it to be playable under wine. fallouts, baldurs, warzone2100, unreals, ta, emulators (i play games i used to play in the 70s and 80s with nostalgia and show them to my kids!),i got most of lokis and lgps games. I havent enough time to play all those, and yet, they all are incredibly good games. How can I be a hardcore gamer and on linux at the same time? I'm completly immunized to hype. I don't need that hundred of warezed games that the common gamer seem to install/uninstall in a row, before finding the good one. I've done it in my time, except it was on audio tapes. The truth is simple. We all know before buying it, when a game is crap or excellent. It's 99% sure. We just fell for the hype. I don't anymore. ANd i never pay full price for anything that won't last for a minimum of 3 years, like quake3 or nwn (adventure games are the best thing in the world. I still have grim fandango on the "to play before death" shelf. Well, enough of that old timer stuff, I'm not that old and I have this UT2004 demo to test. So far, it looks very very good. Could be the surprise of the year.
The person I talk about is nowhere a mindless person. His speech is really very close to yours. It's just that it's not its favorite game. It's his favorite genre, the last game of this genre and the creator of the best games of the genre, all going to the toilets together, because one has to design his games for the console first, now, period. And on top of that, he has to listen to this designer telling him, like "straight in the eyes", that no, the console gameplay doesnt impact on the game, it works well. So, yes he has become a console hater and a ms one too, because he feels that the games were designed for the xbox (i don't know if there any rationale behind this point, tho'), but not in a mindless way. More in a cold, resolute way. Sometimes, it takes small, apparently meaningless events to make you realize bigger pictures. Like, couldnt the console market kill the pc games? This one is sure it can.
It's not funny, it's true. I know such a fan, and he was genuinly disappointed by deus ex2 look and feel on the pc. He wasnt a ms or console basher until that game but became one immediatly. And when he heard about thief 3 being 3rd person view, the sadness in his eyes! It's always hard to be betrayed by those you respect the more. Come on, those games are about immersion! You can't have a feeling of immersion following a puppet from above!
Hi, i'm from the uspto: 1/ yes 2/ yes 3/ yes 4/ yes (oups! It wasnt a question!) cheers.
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You could have spared yourself this and used your mod point, since i never said that he wasnt a programmer or that he was a loosy one.
I just said that paul allen is more famous as a hacker. Which is basically what you said: Paul Allen may be more 'techie' Bill was more comfortable doing the business stuff he was never part of the hacker culture his early concern for copyrights when others were sharing everything
Yes, I, like you, put also sharing as a requisite in the hacker mindset.
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The great gentoo documentation (wich I recognises as such from a technical standpoint) made me fail my first attempt to install a gentoo. I was kinda aiming low on purpose but it wasnt enough: I tried a stage3 installation from a live cd, alas the installation documentation mixes in every paragraphe stage1, stage2, and stage3.
Puzzling at best for the novice, if you want my word on it.
On the other hand, and before you think I'm too clueless, I started a long time ago with slackware, and recently managed to install another source distro, sorcery linux, with no problem whatsoever.
The MDK being the linux based OS of MandrakeSoft and in its tenth iterations, it was even planned to be named:
GNU/Linux MS OS X
Then someone said:
"maybe the ridiculous trial with the wizard is enough?"
9.2 was available around 2 weeks (it felt even more) after the club release. I know, my club contribution had stopped a little bit ealier and my bank really didnt want me to even feed myself at that time.
Starving and not being able to download your distro, that's really hard times. It could have been worse tho', I could have been on windows.
Yes, sure!
How many person would at his job pass along the kind of information that are available here:
-They believe spector is either a terrible liar or completly delusional and finished. They havent decided yet.
-We released crap and they know it. They firmly know that our next release is going to be crap.
-they fart in our general direction.
Seriously, I'm from the sout of france and her and her husband peuvent aller se faire fourrer!
I guess we can only hope that Thief benifits from the lessons learned in makeing Deus Ex 2
Since he recognizes only this error and then says that they didnt have to dumb down the game to make it a console one, i think that this hope relies on the fact that all he said in this article was just plain commercail talking and not the expression of truth. Otherwise, no, he didnt realize that.
Not at all, when he said it was too small and too actiony, he was talking about the demo, not the game.
Sorry, but no.
Fourrer, is used in french slang (argot) to mean "fuck".
So "fourtou" can well be heard as "fourre tout" (wich is also a bag or a place where you put anything with no order), wich means "fuck all".
Its proper use:
fourrer
good link
Mandrake announced in their last community newsletter that they are teaming up with a french company specialised in putting up modilarised live cds for big companies.p ress/pr?n=/pr /partnerships/2454&wslan
It wasnt translated in english, so maybe they are only working in France?
Here it is for those who can read french (or want to have a good laugh through babelfish):
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/
Actually, my pal mandrake cook them for me, and he kinda put a lot of extra stuff with them, making them really better than if I'd cook them myself.
Well, he DO sell them, but I'm not obliged to pay. Which I do anyway, since he's my friend and I'd rather have him continue to cook for me than to be OBLIGED to go back to Mc crapold.
The appeal and all can last another 4 uears.
So they arent in a hurry to change the domain and all.
They also appeal the "too high" fine since they showed their goodwill when they made substantial changes in order to make sure that no confusion can arise from the 2 marks.
Why do you stay anonymous to say you love the descent games?
They are among the best action games ever. even with keyboard only!
I'm not going into the wine/winex points you raise, but when I tried both winex and cvs winex, with the cvs winex, you had less working games than with the binary winex. So it's hardly a good point to start a comparaison with vanilla wine.
Let's compare winex and the wine that one can get with its distro of choice and the wine one can get by compilling it.
Are you sure?
Have you read the guy's nickname?
oh wait! I'm writing to obvious guy who obviously didnt.
Yes, and as I said, are they willing to do it twice?
If not, and my personnal bet is that they dont, then they will have to cut the prices somewhere.
Since the xbox factories are already delocalised in china, the only other way is to nerf the features and/or lower the quality.
Because, there arent that many people ready to put so much in a console, and it doesnt look like there will be more soon.
So let's hope for you that they stick with the harddrive and the costly design. As much as I understand all your points, they all depend on them doing it again with the xbox2:
-expensive harddrive for the nice os updates and savegames and patches and updated content.
-expensive strong cable and materials.
-expensive game compagnies to buy to lock them to the xbox, so there can be those exclusive games you like so much (you know, Bungie wouldnt have been bought, they would have made halo for the console anyway, except it would have been for the consoleS).
-expensive xbox live to host the games and offer the bandwith for almost nothing.
Of course, all this depends on 2 things:
either redmond is willing to waste another few billions on it or suddenly rich gamers ready to cough so much on a console will appear by millions.
when I first heard about the sales in japan, on slashdot mind you, they were selling less than the original black and white game boy each week. And the new one was out.
The question is would you have been as happy without the creative adaptation to the hardware that anybody can't do, and if you were judging it as a gamer only?
Also, the article is pretty much us centered in his judgement. If anyone else had made so poor world wide without being as cash stuffed (think sega and the great dreamcast), they would bail out or just go bankrupt.
How is a game designed for a PC instead of a console allegedly superior?
A good console game design can be wasted when ported to the pc by bad design decision.
The size and the feel of the deus ex II interface comes immediatly to my mind. The size, the ergonomy, what a waste of pixels in a game where you expect to be completly taken by and into the surroundings of the action aka the universe, and not by and against the interface.
A good pc game that rely on the pc particularities, like you said the keyboard and the mouse for example, cannot be ported to a console without a keyboard and a mouse.
I have nothing against console gamepad and console game design, I had some of my best memories of games under the cbm 64 with a one button joystick.
So it's not about pc or console games being better, it's about console and pcs not having the same interfaces, meaning different games, and gamers looking for different things, as you said yourself.
If I had to force me into detailing their true diffence, I would say the pc is more versatile and the console is more reactive. But it's a cheap statement.
I dunno, I hated highlander 1. :)
The people who decided that it should be for console primarily did.
Yes, that's the problem. The console market is so huge, this dumbass is listened to. When someone figures out that the port don't sell well because they're designed for console and suck in front of regular pc games, and if they can make more selling a pc version than it cost to have it adapted, then we wont see such fiasco again. Otherwise, they will continue to release those hmmm things.
Dreamcast... best console ever... what a shame. Another one. Stupid market, stupid executives, stupid customers.
I'm a gamer since 74 and taito space invaders. I've been on linux for 4 years and never looked back.
I don't need this huge quantity of games. I just need a few game i can play for years. Quake3 mods still do it (hey! quake2 mods still do it. Action quake2 is still the greatest mod ever.) NWN can last for years. I got anachronox at the bargain bin, and this one too will last for years. I have system shock 2 on my shelf and wait for it to be playable under wine. fallouts, baldurs, warzone2100, unreals, ta, emulators (i play games i used to play in the 70s and 80s with nostalgia and show them to my kids!),i got most of lokis and lgps games.
I havent enough time to play all those, and yet, they all are incredibly good games.
How can I be a hardcore gamer and on linux at the same time?
I'm completly immunized to hype.
I don't need that hundred of warezed games that the common gamer seem to install/uninstall in a row, before finding the good one. I've done it in my time, except it was on audio tapes. The truth is simple. We all know before buying it, when a game is crap or excellent. It's 99% sure. We just fell for the hype. I don't anymore. ANd i never pay full price for anything that won't last for a minimum of 3 years, like quake3 or nwn (adventure games are the best thing in the world. I still have grim fandango on the "to play before death" shelf.
Well, enough of that old timer stuff, I'm not that old and I have this UT2004 demo to test. So far, it looks very very good. Could be the surprise of the year.
The person I talk about is nowhere a mindless person. His speech is really very close to yours.
It's just that it's not its favorite game. It's his favorite genre, the last game of this genre and the creator of the best games of the genre, all going to the toilets together, because one has to design his games for the console first, now, period.
And on top of that, he has to listen to this designer telling him, like "straight in the eyes", that no, the console gameplay doesnt impact on the game, it works well.
So, yes he has become a console hater and a ms one too, because he feels that the games were designed for the xbox (i don't know if there any rationale behind this point, tho'), but not in a mindless way. More in a cold, resolute way. Sometimes, it takes small, apparently meaningless events to make you realize bigger pictures. Like, couldnt the console market kill the pc games?
This one is sure it can.
It's not funny, it's true.
I know such a fan, and he was genuinly disappointed by deus ex2 look and feel on the pc. He wasnt a ms or console basher until that game but became one immediatly. And when he heard about thief 3 being 3rd person view, the sadness in his eyes!
It's always hard to be betrayed by those you respect the more.
Come on, those games are about immersion! You can't have a feeling of immersion following a puppet from above!
Hi, i'm from the uspto:
1/ yes
2/ yes
3/ yes
4/ yes (oups! It wasnt a question!)
cheers.
You could have spared yourself this and used your mod point, since i never said that he wasnt a programmer or that he was a loosy one.
I just said that paul allen is more famous as a hacker. Which is basically what you said:
Paul Allen may be more 'techie'
Bill was more comfortable doing the business stuff
he was never part of the hacker culture
his early concern for copyrights when others were sharing everything
Yes, I, like you, put also sharing as a requisite in the hacker mindset.