Different manufacturers use different pins on the standard OBD-II conenctor, though most pinouts are documented. You can find generic software that can read the raw code, but it's hard to find anything (and nearly impossible to find something affordable) that will translate those numbers into something human readable. It's also hard to find something that will write back to the computer. All manufactuerers extend the standard few codes with their own propreitary stuff, and the things that get written back are different from manufacturer to manufacturer (and model to model). *Those* are the things we need opened, not the already open standard.
People see that there's a standard and assume that it's all OK. Kerberos is a standard and LDAP is a standard, I wonder why it's hard to make programs that work with MS's kerberos implementation and Active Directory? Is it because of undocumented vendor-specific extensions? I'll bet it is...:) The OBD-II thing is the same idea.
Not that I mind Dell-- they make great PCs for people that don't really have specific components in mind, and their support is terrific IMO.
The power supply in my Dell PC failed. I called to get it replaced under warrantee. I was running Linux, and foolishly told the support guy that. He said that I'd have to return the PC to its original spec, which was NT4. I asked if people running NT with things like photoshop or netscape installed had to uninstall those programs to get support, too? They sent a tech out to install the power supply after I called back an hour later to say that my PC was in stock form. Later on, the hard drive started failing, and they refused any replacement because my PC was marked in their system as having a "non-factory configuration". Dell does *not* have good support for individuals. They have OK support for businesses (calling as the sysadmin for our business results in a much better experience than calling as a home user).
I've used and supported PCs from several big manufacturers. Every new computer that comes into my home or my place of work is assembled by me from parts because every manufacturer does *something* annoying.
What? There are some High schools with EE classes? My high school had an ag class with one week of home electrical wiring, but that wasn't even close to EE. Sigh. Stupid small-town schools.
Oh, I certainly wasn't saying that you were wrong. I just wanted to illustrate the irony of the way it was expressed.:) I'm all for Wal-Mart selling linux-ish computers.
I'll disagree with the nerd v/s geek thing, though. I'm partial to "geek" because of the general connotation among my peer group is more significant to me than the absolute definition in a dictionary. To each his own, though.;)
I shop at Wal-Mart all the time, so I'm not sure if I'm "better than" the average clientel or not. I'm pretty sure that being a hick or redneck doesn't make someone bad either, even though bangpath makes it sound that way (in a post about getitng off a high horse)...
I used to do that - it's not a big deal. Abstract the user data away from the system data and use a ghost multicasting to reinstall the standard OS image. You might lose about an hour or two of your time to manually reimage 100 machines, most of which is spent rebooting. Automatic re-images on Sunday evening would save even that time.:)
I know, but it's fun to be a smartass once in a while.
Mine only weighed a few ounces here. I didn't know that you could get Amiga games while living on Jupiter (or some other planet with greater gravitational effects than earth). Live 'n learn.
he jumped upso that his waste was around the height of their shoulders or heads, kicked one in the shoulder and before he hit the ground had spun around and kicked the other one in the side of the leg. The students both hit the ground at approximately the same time.
I'm quite amused at the image of a fat man jumping up in the air, flinging feces around while kicking a couple of stupid kids. I'd imagine "waist" was the intended word, but "waste" sure is more amusing.
Do you have a phone in every room? Of course not, you probably have a cordless phone. Same thing here.
Ahh, if only it were possible to move from wired ethernet to wireless for about $20 or less with no drop in performance...:)
On an "on-topic" note, if the poster's so into wiring everything, perhaps it would be better to find a SO who can deal with it. If finding one's impossible, then maybe the wiring's not so important.
Seriously, I need to agree there. I'm a big linux zealot, but I admin windows and mac machines at work as well as the linux stuff. I've recently been setting up a multimedia guy with an AIW Radeon 7500 (no need for the 8500's added features), and the software is *really* cool. I wish ever so badly that I coul dset up a linux system with similar features and abilities, but it'd be a big pain in the arse, and I'd have to write a bunch of the stuff myself because it just doesn't exist for linux.
There's something to be said for trying to make stuff work the ideal, philisophically good way - but that's just not reasonably possible in this case. Pirate a copy of Windows 2000 if that's what it takes, but the windows solution to the home theater will leave the implementor with much more time to enjoy his system - and probably with more hair left on his head instead of pulled out in his hands. One day this will hopefully change, but that day hasn't yet come.
SuSEConfig doesn't rule out using custom config files, it just makes you learn to edit them in the generator script instead of in the resulting file. Once you get the hang of it, it's really a decent system to use.
Then again, I really think that Slackware is a good learning distro because it *forces* you to learn if you want it to work. If there's a lazy way to do something, I'll do it, so forcing me to learn is a good thing.:) Then again, I'm biased because I started on Slack back when it was actually one of the more modern distros and there was no ISO available (man, that makes me feel old). I wouldn't have learned as much general linux stuff if I'd started with some other more "cutomized" distro - I would've just learned that distro.
I'll bet that I can dissasemble an airplane using nothing but my leatherman, and figure out how everything works. I'll bet that I'll have that done before you get anywhere trying to dissasemble Windows XP/2000/9x/Office.:)
Having the plane's different from having the object code.
I wouldn't even install the SuSE RPMs on SuSE, let along Redhat. OK, so I *did* install the SuSE RPMs on a 7.3 install, but I wouldn't reccomend it. The packages manage to change a few setitngs right, but they leave some other settings alone. The end result is that I can't get KDE 2 or 3 working on that box now - because paths are all wrong 'n stuff. Why in the hell don't they just use/opt/kde instead of/opt/kde,/opt/kde2,/opt/kde3 - and if they're gonna do crap like that, why in the hell don't they make the packages update the paths 'n stuff *everywhere* so the damned packages will just work? Argh. If I wanted to make it all work myself, why would I have downloaded binary rpms instead of source files?
It's old news to Galeon users, too, but we also get the ability to recover the previous browsing session in the event of a crash.;) My stupid unstable machine really needs a new power supply...
Most of the spam you get from hotmail/yahoo/otherbigmailprovider is forged so that spam filters have to either block all yahoo addresses or none at all. The reply-to addresses are either fake, or were just temporarily set up so that a few spams would get through.
Spammers are evil, and lie whenever they can. Esp. in the client-provided "From:" header.:)
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Thank you for pointing that out. Why do people take the time to overanalyze english grammar without taking a similar amount of time to learn how the language works? The sentence would've meant the same thing if the author had used "her" instead - the only rule when writing in a gender-neutral situation is to maintain the same pronoun when referring to the same subject. Given the smiley, I don't think that normiep was serious - but you just know that someone else was.
Hmm, "should I pay for my internet connection so I can continue to post to slashdot, or should I save the money so I can pay my rent next month?" Looks like you made the right decision.:) Now you're free to look into other areas of the state/country where jobs are more available...
The best way to avoid being photographed is, of course, to stick with the speed limit. (Which IMHO is easier in Germany than for example in Illinois with its suppressive speed limits.)
Yes, it's strange that roads which were built to be safe at 65-75 while driving cars from the 60's and 70's can only be traversed at 55-65 in the much better handling cars of today. I've got a '75 El Camino and a 2001 Ford Focus - guess which one *I* think is safer at high speeds...:)
I'm not agressively on either side with the ebryonic stem cells, but it would certainly make me a bit more comfortable to not only get something good out of plastic surgery but also to find a good, plentiful source of stem cells...
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Different manufacturers use different pins on the standard OBD-II conenctor, though most pinouts are documented. You can find generic software that can read the raw code, but it's hard to find anything (and nearly impossible to find something affordable) that will translate those numbers into something human readable. It's also hard to find something that will write back to the computer. All manufactuerers extend the standard few codes with their own propreitary stuff, and the things that get written back are different from manufacturer to manufacturer (and model to model). *Those* are the things we need opened, not the already open standard.
:) The OBD-II thing is the same idea.
People see that there's a standard and assume that it's all OK. Kerberos is a standard and LDAP is a standard, I wonder why it's hard to make programs that work with MS's kerberos implementation and Active Directory? Is it because of undocumented vendor-specific extensions? I'll bet it is...
Not that I mind Dell-- they make great PCs for people that don't really have specific components in mind, and their support is terrific IMO.
The power supply in my Dell PC failed. I called to get it replaced under warrantee. I was running Linux, and foolishly told the support guy that. He said that I'd have to return the PC to its original spec, which was NT4. I asked if people running NT with things like photoshop or netscape installed had to uninstall those programs to get support, too? They sent a tech out to install the power supply after I called back an hour later to say that my PC was in stock form. Later on, the hard drive started failing, and they refused any replacement because my PC was marked in their system as having a "non-factory configuration". Dell does *not* have good support for individuals. They have OK support for businesses (calling as the sysadmin for our business results in a much better experience than calling as a home user).
I've used and supported PCs from several big manufacturers. Every new computer that comes into my home or my place of work is assembled by me from parts because every manufacturer does *something* annoying.
Alas..no US "comedy" rarely interests me....
Huh. Several of them rarely interest me. You must have really low standards. :)
What? There are some High schools with EE classes? My high school had an ag class with one week of home electrical wiring, but that wasn't even close to EE. Sigh. Stupid small-town schools.
Oh, I certainly wasn't saying that you were wrong. I just wanted to illustrate the irony of the way it was expressed. :) I'm all for Wal-Mart selling linux-ish computers.
;)
I'll disagree with the nerd v/s geek thing, though. I'm partial to "geek" because of the general connotation among my peer group is more significant to me than the absolute definition in a dictionary. To each his own, though.
Have you ever been to Wal-Mart? Look around. :)
I shop at Wal-Mart all the time, so I'm not sure if I'm "better than" the average clientel or not. I'm pretty sure that being a hick or redneck doesn't make someone bad either, even though bangpath makes it sound that way (in a post about getitng off a high horse)...
I used to do that - it's not a big deal. Abstract the user data away from the system data and use a ghost multicasting to reinstall the standard OS image. You might lose about an hour or two of your time to manually reimage 100 machines, most of which is spent rebooting. Automatic re-images on Sunday evening would save even that time. :)
I know, but it's fun to be a smartass once in a while.
Mine only weighed a few ounces here. I didn't know that you could get Amiga games while living on Jupiter (or some other planet with greater gravitational effects than earth). Live 'n learn.
he jumped upso that his waste was around the height of their shoulders or heads, kicked one in the shoulder and before he hit the ground had spun around and kicked the other one in the side of the leg. The students both hit the ground at approximately the same time.
I'm quite amused at the image of a fat man jumping up in the air, flinging feces around while kicking a couple of stupid kids. I'd imagine "waist" was the intended word, but "waste" sure is more amusing.
Do you have a phone in every room? Of course not, you probably have a cordless phone. Same thing here.
:)
Ahh, if only it were possible to move from wired ethernet to wireless for about $20 or less with no drop in performance...
On an "on-topic" note, if the poster's so into wiring everything, perhaps it would be better to find a SO who can deal with it. If finding one's impossible, then maybe the wiring's not so important.
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Seriously, I need to agree there. I'm a big linux zealot, but I admin windows and mac machines at work as well as the linux stuff. I've recently been setting up a multimedia guy with an AIW Radeon 7500 (no need for the 8500's added features), and the software is *really* cool. I wish ever so badly that I coul dset up a linux system with similar features and abilities, but it'd be a big pain in the arse, and I'd have to write a bunch of the stuff myself because it just doesn't exist for linux.
There's something to be said for trying to make stuff work the ideal, philisophically good way - but that's just not reasonably possible in this case. Pirate a copy of Windows 2000 if that's what it takes, but the windows solution to the home theater will leave the implementor with much more time to enjoy his system - and probably with more hair left on his head instead of pulled out in his hands. One day this will hopefully change, but that day hasn't yet come.
SuSEConfig doesn't rule out using custom config files, it just makes you learn to edit them in the generator script instead of in the resulting file. Once you get the hang of it, it's really a decent system to use.
:) Then again, I'm biased because I started on Slack back when it was actually one of the more modern distros and there was no ISO available (man, that makes me feel old). I wouldn't have learned as much general linux stuff if I'd started with some other more "cutomized" distro - I would've just learned that distro.
Then again, I really think that Slackware is a good learning distro because it *forces* you to learn if you want it to work. If there's a lazy way to do something, I'll do it, so forcing me to learn is a good thing.
I'll bet that I can dissasemble an airplane using nothing but my leatherman, and figure out how everything works. I'll bet that I'll have that done before you get anywhere trying to dissasemble Windows XP/2000/9x/Office. :)
Having the plane's different from having the object code.
I wouldn't even install the SuSE RPMs on SuSE, let along Redhat. OK, so I *did* install the SuSE RPMs on a 7.3 install, but I wouldn't reccomend it. The packages manage to change a few setitngs right, but they leave some other settings alone. The end result is that I can't get KDE 2 or 3 working on that box now - because paths are all wrong 'n stuff. Why in the hell don't they just use /opt/kde instead of /opt/kde, /opt/kde2, /opt/kde3 - and if they're gonna do crap like that, why in the hell don't they make the packages update the paths 'n stuff *everywhere* so the damned packages will just work? Argh. If I wanted to make it all work myself, why would I have downloaded binary rpms instead of source files?
OK, I'm done now. Sigh.
It's old news to Galeon users, too, but we also get the ability to recover the previous browsing session in the event of a crash. ;) My stupid unstable machine really needs a new power supply...
Most of the spam you get from hotmail/yahoo/otherbigmailprovider is forged so that spam filters have to either block all yahoo addresses or none at all. The reply-to addresses are either fake, or were just temporarily set up so that a few spams would get through.
:)
Spammers are evil, and lie whenever they can. Esp. in the client-provided "From:" header.
Thank you for pointing that out. Why do people take the time to overanalyze english grammar without taking a similar amount of time to learn how the language works? The sentence would've meant the same thing if the author had used "her" instead - the only rule when writing in a gender-neutral situation is to maintain the same pronoun when referring to the same subject. Given the smiley, I don't think that normiep was serious - but you just know that someone else was.
:)
Sigh. Stupid political correctness crap.
Let us know how it turned out, eh? :)
Hmm, "should I pay for my internet connection so I can continue to post to slashdot, or should I save the money so I can pay my rent next month?" Looks like you made the right decision. :) Now you're free to look into other areas of the state/country where jobs are more available...
The best way to avoid being photographed is, of course, to stick with the speed limit. (Which IMHO is easier in Germany than for example in Illinois with its suppressive speed limits.)
Yes, it's strange that roads which were built to be safe at 65-75 while driving cars from the 60's and 70's can only be traversed at 55-65 in the much better handling cars of today. I've got a '75 El Camino and a 2001 Ford Focus - guess which one *I* think is safer at high speeds... :)
Actually, the poll showed up yesterday - which would imply that this story should've been posted yesterday, too...
I'm not agressively on either side with the ebryonic stem cells, but it would certainly make me a bit more comfortable to not only get something good out of plastic surgery but also to find a good, plentiful source of stem cells...
That'll only work on the day before Mothers' Day.
Just ask the residents of Marklar, right?
Check the link. Unless you live in california, it's .10 cents/KW-hr. One tenth of a cent. "+4, informative" my eye. :)