I understand. really i was just tired of people coming up with elaborate theories on how INTEL is crushing people with their unfair monopolistic practices...... Its just not true:)
The problem here is a lot similar (at least in my eyes) to the Pepsi/Coke college thing. Pepsi came on campus here at BGSU [bgsu.edu] and gave them $8 million dollars to take PepsiCo as the main supplier of soft drinks (rather than having both like they did before).
Only this is not a college campus but a company selling a product that they create the marketing and promortional drives for.
Not only that but you have to deal with multiple processor vendors, allocate resources to testing. Every component of a system must make it through rigorous testing for compatability.
Now I am not justifying their statement, but it is not completely without merit. It is foolish to say there is no cost incurred in marketing a new system, using a different motherboard, using a different processor, using different drivers. There *will be issues*, support related and otherwise, that come up.
Before we start to stipulate about conspiracy theories about how Intel is driving AMD out of the market with underhanded tactics, lets consider the fact that Intel may not have been as active in this as we would like to believe.
Now then, I am not sure if they had a hand in this or not, but its invalid to just assume this out of no where when valid reasons can be shown for their choice.
I love AMDs space heaters and have two of them in systems at home, I just don;t like unwarranted conspiracy theories.
At least give Intel a chance to live up to their evil reputation before we bake them for an assumption:)
/me waits for moderation oblivian for speaking the unpopular opinon:)
Walking off with the expensive stuff could solve the former employee's food and housing nees for a couple of years, though . . . Implying that the insurance covers the "self help" loss?
Awful boasting? Its the truth. And, FYI I was stating it to make a point. It took me about four hours of reading to get the details worked out and the systems locked down and updating themselves. Im not saying the systems are hack-proof, I am sure a determined soul with the actual desire to get in can. The actual point is with a minimal amount of work the systems don't take much to secure and make life easier so you don't have to worry about every new worm that uses exploits that have been patched for weeks.
Ok, in the world of pedantry, which matters in this case, your right.
Apache alone is not all that IIS is. But in the world of open source and software available I can do damn near anything with modules and all of the software that works with Apache. Web Services? Sure! I mean alone Apache is just a web server that has a decent API for modules. With all the extra programs such as a J2EE server with Tomcat it is the web based front end to enterprise scale applications.
I bet the API is rather screwed anyway, I was just making the point that age may not indicate codebase age:P Usually nothing is "right" the first time around even with good design work. You always see room for improvement. If the API has not seen a significant update in years, that is likely the case here.
. IIS has much much more functionality than Apache does, and it has been around much longer, unfortunately in this case longer means a more convoluted codebase =(.
I was following you okay up until this point. Im curios what features exactly IIS has that Apache does not have. I have used both for quite some time in a production environmnet. The apache server has been around since 1995. Now I don't know about you but I don't think IIS was around "much" longer than 1995. I can't think of a anything I really miss on Apache that I have used in IIS.
And just because a project has been around longer also does not mean a convolouted codebase. Apache has been around almost 7 years and the code for it is pretty nice.
Oh and another thing.. Most of these exploits are occuring in rather small modules, which would obviously have a much smaller amount of code than the main IIS. Thats one of the reasons for using modules and libraries, code maintenance is usually easier. I just don't buy the argument the code is more confusing on a basis of age only. Win NT 3.51 (Which had IIS 1.0) came out circia 1995. Anyways
My search to learn to tie shoes is "+how +to tie +a shoe" Returns the results I want. The plus sign forces an explicit search for those words ignoring the "its common" problem.
Just add plusses and you can still search for the words. Found exactly what I wanted.
Whats so wrong about uses plusses when you REALLY want to use the search terms. Terms that are so common it would possibly drag the engine down if they completely allowed it?
It might get a little more difficult to breath, hence the oxygen masks int he case of cabin depressurization. Better a few dead terrorists and a emergency landing due to cabin depressurization, or heaven forbid a few dead passengers a depressurized cabin and a emergency landing. Not.. 5000+ dead and a national catastrophe.
I played a bit. Watched the other team jerk around. I am on a very reliable DSL and no matter what server I played the game was a bit too lagy to really be much fun. The game still has the "quake" feel. There is less of an "objective" feeling to it compared to counter strike. The graphics and realism is better than counter-strike, but the overall gameplay and graphics don't make up for the games weakness as a cooperative team game just yet.
Oh and there were a few kinks. You could pull up say a smoke nade even if you had already thrown it. And keep "trying" to throw it even making noise like it was thrown, but it was no longer available, addig to the confusion.
I wrote an essay about this. While I have been told it does not address issues such as "Civilian Clearance Levels" and I use gun control as my example it can be nearly any freedom. Encyrption, Right not to be stripped searched, etc.
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Thats sad considering you can export a Visio diagram in TIFF or something :)
Jeremy
I understand. really i was just tired of people coming up with elaborate theories on how INTEL is crushing people with their unfair monopolistic practices...... Its just not true :)
Jeremy
Plus the time to burn it, plus the time to have an admin person address a label, plus the time to route it to an outgoing mailbox. :)
Not that AMD would ever sink down to a naming scheme to underhandedly relate it has a higher CPU clock than it does? :P
Jeremy
The problem here is a lot similar (at least in my eyes) to the Pepsi/Coke college thing. Pepsi came on campus here at BGSU [bgsu.edu] and gave them $8 million dollars to take PepsiCo as the main supplier of soft drinks (rather than having both like they did before).
:)
:)
Only this is not a college campus but a company selling a product that they create the marketing and promortional drives for.
Not only that but you have to deal with multiple processor vendors, allocate resources to testing. Every component of a system must make it through rigorous testing for compatability.
Now I am not justifying their statement, but it is not completely without merit. It is foolish to say there is no cost incurred in marketing a new system, using a different motherboard, using a different processor, using different drivers. There *will be issues*, support related and otherwise, that come up.
Before we start to stipulate about conspiracy theories about how Intel is driving AMD out of the market with underhanded tactics, lets consider the fact that Intel may not have been as active in this as we would like to believe.
Now then, I am not sure if they had a hand in this or not, but its invalid to just assume this out of no where when valid reasons can be shown for their choice.
I love AMDs space heaters and have two of them in systems at home, I just don;t like unwarranted conspiracy theories.
At least give Intel a chance to live up to their evil reputation before we bake them for an assumption
/me waits for moderation oblivian for speaking the unpopular opinon
Jeremy
Some people are so largiloquent they can't do without expatiating a subject. ;) You get a +1 Funny for the use of a word most people don't know :)
Heh, Roger That.
Walking off with the expensive stuff could solve the former employee's food and housing nees for a couple of years, though . . . Implying that the insurance covers the "self help" loss?
Jeremy
Awful boasting? Its the truth. And, FYI I was stating it to make a point. It took me about four hours of reading to get the details worked out and the systems locked down and updating themselves. Im not saying the systems are hack-proof, I am sure a determined soul with the actual desire to get in can. The actual point is with a minimal amount of work the systems don't take much to secure and make life easier so you don't have to worry about every new worm that uses exploits that have been patched for weeks.
Right :P
:)
:)
I have automated all five of our systems updates at work and it saves me a lot of time not having to track which machine has which patch.
Then image one well setup secured lock downed system
Code Red and Nimda never touched our machines because they were patched weeks before the worms hit.
Im not crazy about windows or anything but my machines have had zero penetrations in over a year with high visibility and many attempts
Jeremy
5 minutes per week * 300 machines in a big corporation....
:)
1500 minutes a week. Or roughly 3 days out of an admins day running windows updates. There is a more effecient solution for it actually
Jeremy
Heh, There is nothing to sue him for. He took apart a playstation and put a couple of pictures on the web.
Jeremy
He seemed pretty happy sitting on his couch playing his play station without a TV or controller or wires or anything :-P
Jeremy
At the time, it was a Pentium Pro 200.
Jeremy
An awesome strategy for you and a buddy.
:)
play a Lieutenant and a Medic. The medic can keep the health supply up and the lieutenant can give the medic ammo, who has very little ammo to start.
Me and another person were able to hold the documents in the basement against a slew of guys.
Jeremy
Its also "Stuff that matters" arguably, this is stuff that matters.
*chuckle*
Thats a great one!
I like it. I read the first part, and it kicked me into the site, then I read the second half. Oh the irony
Jeremy
Ok, in the world of pedantry, which matters in this case, your right.
:P Usually nothing is "right" the first time around even with good design work. You always see room for improvement. If the API has not seen a significant update in years, that is likely the case here.
Apache alone is not all that IIS is. But in the world of open source and software available I can do damn near anything with modules and all of the software that works with Apache. Web Services? Sure! I mean alone Apache is just a web server that has a decent API for modules. With all the extra programs such as a J2EE server with Tomcat it is the web based front end to enterprise scale applications.
I bet the API is rather screwed anyway, I was just making the point that age may not indicate codebase age
Anyhow
Jeremy
. IIS has much much more functionality than Apache does, and it has been around much longer, unfortunately in this case longer means a more convoluted codebase =(.
I was following you okay up until this point. Im curios what features exactly IIS has that Apache does not have. I have used both for quite some time in a production environmnet. The apache server has been around since 1995. Now I don't know about you but I don't think IIS was around "much" longer than 1995. I can't think of a anything I really miss on Apache that I have used in IIS.
And just because a project has been around longer also does not mean a convolouted codebase. Apache has been around almost 7 years and the code for it is pretty nice.
Oh and another thing.. Most of these exploits are occuring in rather small modules, which would obviously have a much smaller amount of code than the main IIS. Thats one of the reasons for using modules and libraries, code maintenance is usually easier. I just don't buy the argument the code is more confusing on a basis of age only. Win NT 3.51 (Which had IIS 1.0) came out circia 1995. Anyways
Jeremy
My search to learn to tie shoes is "+how +to tie +a shoe" Returns the results I want. The plus sign forces an explicit search for those words ignoring the "its common" problem.
Just add plusses and you can still search for the words. Found exactly what I wanted.
Whats so wrong about uses plusses when you REALLY want to use the search terms. Terms that are so common it would possibly drag the engine down if they completely allowed it?
Jeremy
It might get a little more difficult to breath, hence the oxygen masks int he case of cabin depressurization. Better a few dead terrorists and a emergency landing due to cabin depressurization, or heaven forbid a few dead passengers a depressurized cabin and a emergency landing. Not.. 5000+ dead and a national catastrophe.
Jeremy
I played a bit. Watched the other team jerk around. I am on a very reliable DSL and no matter what server I played the game was a bit too lagy to really be much fun. The game still has the "quake" feel. There is less of an "objective" feeling to it compared to counter strike. The graphics and realism is better than counter-strike, but the overall gameplay and graphics don't make up for the games weakness as a cooperative team game just yet.
Oh and there were a few kinks. You could pull up say a smoke nade even if you had already thrown it. And keep "trying" to throw it even making noise like it was thrown, but it was no longer available, addig to the confusion.
ANyways back to writing for me.
Jeremy
I think this is /. with a rather biased community for a statement and subject like that.
Jeremy
From openoffice.org
Mostly C++
This is not
Lame at all
Why is the lameness filter so lame?
I wrote an essay about this. While I have been told it does not address issues such as "Civilian Clearance Levels" and I use gun control as my example it can be nearly any freedom. Encyrption, Right not to be stripped searched, etc.
Anyhow
Jeremy