Most of the dialog in Incubus is very poorly pronounced. Some say shatner made the esperanto very french-canadianish. I am no esperanto expert, but I have heard that the filmakers even refused coaches from the north american esperanto league, deciding to figure it out for themselves. I can say that even for an esperanto beginner like myself the poor pronounciation is quite obvious. Butthis isn't a knock against shatner, I suspect any actor speaking a foreign language he/she doesn't know is only as good as thier dialog coaches.
The 72.3% article is mildly interresting. Particularly when you get to the end and it basically destroys the study on scientific ground in the last paragraph. The real interresting part is the measurement of "ignored" commercials.
I think PVRs (in much the same way VHS helped hollywood) will actually help advertisers. When I watched live TV I completely ignored the ads, now I can do the same and save time.:)
But the ads I do stop to view (yes I admit I do!) I actually watch. So I would imagine they are much more effective. PVRs may actuall finally show advertisers how bad thier ads are.
On a side note I had absolutely no clue who Ellen Feiss was until a recent slashdot article mentioned a pumpkin carved like her.
The yahoo article had some quote from AOL saying somehting about its copyrights on "Gone with the WInd" and "The Wizard of Oz" would be "threatened". as if thats a bad bad thing. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT for crying out loud.
Its insane. Absolutly insane that these people have zero regard for anything but themselves, I have to admitt, it disgusts me sometimes that I live in this society.
Wouldn't it be in Microsoft's best interrest if the unit was "hackable" ? They would have a larger base of loyal users and probably atract a few trough some "killer app" add-on or such. Of course I can see not acknowledging the hacking or supporting it, but TiVo has managed to build quite a following for its PVR by allowing customer modifications to go on with little resistance. wouldn't X-Box reap similar benifits?
Who runs around calling themselves "white hat" or "grey hat" or "black het" its just plain stupid to me. I suspect these terms were created for the purpose of so called "white hat" types differentiating themselves from "black hat" types. Basically a ruse so they can be 'hip' (being hackers and all...) but still be acceptable to the corporate system.
The simply concept that legallity has ANYTHING to do with morality in the hacker world is absurd. I could list many things that are illegal, but of at least debtable moral stature, and possibly vice versa.
You see they offer a product that virtually requires broadband, and then when it doesn't sell will be able to claim that they were right, and the internet is only a piracy tool, furthering their cause with congress.
Its similiar to the way the Bush administration has decided to start off with the assumption that we need to invade Iraq, and its up to the iraqi government to prove their own innocence.:)
Yeah, we should make a second closed internet. but instead of "Private European Internet" we'll call it the "Sane Internet" and disallow any censorship of either a government or corporate nature. We'll totally do what another poster suggested the internet was for, destroy gegraphical borders. Just won't allow any government of corp to bully the content.
That sound like a good idea. I'm all for having ones own value system, but if your offended by content, don't view it!
If you don't agree to the licence for GPL'd software, or even if it doesn't apply to you, then standard copyright still stands. Standard copyright rules won't fly out the window because you weren't explicitly told a product was copyrighted. With regard to the GPL, and maybe other Free or "Open Source" licenses, you actually are GIVEN rights by the copyright holder that you normally DON'T have.
So either your aware of the license, in which case you have to abide by it, or the license doesn't apply do to this legal reason. If the license doesn't apply you can't modify and distribute it anyway.
I can't speak for other OS licenses that I haven't read, but this has basically always been my understanding of the GPL.
I didn't even bring up that the GPL only matters at all IF you are a distributer of the software (modified and/or unmodified) and that a normal user need not agree to it at all and can be safe in treating the software the same way any standard copyrighed work can legally be treated.
Let us not forget, when something attempted to package the freely available WineX code for Debian Transgaming basically said that if Debian had a WineX package they would simply change the license for future versions to prevent it.
What is the point of releasing "open source" code to the public only to bitch and moan the second someone wants to take advantage of the open license.
Personally I'll have nothing to do with them until I see some compelling reason to think they are a company I want to deal with. I can give up playing games if it means keeping my principles.
Yes I know people like that. And if they asked me to get them on the internet I certainly would not set them up with an MS Windows box. I would set up a system that gave them the least opurtunity to damage it. Maybe a GNU/Linux box without telling them the root password.
I didn't say I was paranoid, I simply said I didn't understand why I need third party code signing, and MS handling for me. Thats like if you had to authenticate every gas station you went to in order to put some gas in you car - something I'm sure you'd find super annoying after a while, since you probably know whether or not you can trust a certain gas station to have quality gas.
Well you seemed to know that Kazaa had spyware in it so why did you install it? If you had thought before hand maybe you wouldn't need an MS DRM chip to handle it for you.
I admit, I don't run Windows, or IE, I run GNU/Linux and primarily use Mozilla as a browser. I have never been tricked into running "malicious" code. I have never had a virus. I have never had data stolen from me (This presumably has nothing to do with the OS I use, and everything todo with the fact that I try not to be a moron and give my info to any one who asks).
Why do we need all these digital signatures and systems for allowing code to run? I don't have any problems manually figuring out what I think is worthwhile on my system, it all takes place in my head and doesnt require any fancy Linux commands or anything.
I certainly don't have any "spyware" running on my system. Can you MS Windows users tell me, is the world that much different for you? What is it about windows that would make you need all this crap I am doing fine without?
Of course I've only seen one or two unrequested pop-up windows on the web and that was quite a while ago, I hear they are a problem for IE users as well:)
ok, you know something? Cinematogrophers vote for best Cinematography, so I should think they care about it..... and the reason I think it appears to be a catagory that no one cares about is because its the easiest one to ignore politics on. Cinematogrphers don't tend to go on talk shows...
then why is it that when the first one cam out I saw a quote from one of the brothers along the lines of (paraphasing) "yeah it was always planned as a trilogy, I mean we could do a sequal and a prequel, two sequels, or two prequels" -- if it was always panned as a trilogy, (as everything seems to be nowadays) why didnt he know exactly what they would do ?
Why bother keeping with their wishes in mind? If they want to go proprietary, so be it, but why listen to them? They are he ones that are forcing YOU to continue the project. I think its best to view projects that have been taken proprietary like this as orphaned projects, that same as any other orphaned projects. Jsut my two cents.
Yes I can see that it is copying 'embrace and extend" but what makes everyone think that that will work against the monopoly, solely because it works for the monopoly? I fear there is some flawed logic in everyones thinking on this.
Am I the only one who thinks it would be much smarter for a competitor to use their own technology. MS has alway been a tough competitior, why does Ximian think they will succeed with this? They should be pressuring Sun to GPL Java (would make sence on the heels of recent news about MS abandoning it) and build an architecture based on that. I think that our own Free.NET type implementation (that also runs on Windows) would be a better strategy than trying to play catch up to a Huge multibillion dollar company that controls the market to start with.
Now this is exactly why linux doesn't have the same penetration as Microsoft Windows. Where are the kernel hackers when we need them?
Come on people we clearly need to up the cunt to tits ratio here.
I can't stand these retarded pseudo-intellectuals that invent ideology to disagree with. The intro duction to his paper requires the reader to agree with his assumption that Marxism is a totally flawed ideology. well his assumption there is wrong undermining his entire piece. not to mention the fact that he is a little paranoid and not exactly clear on what he would like to condemn. Please the next time one of these so called intellectuals goes on a rant can some one have them rant on something relevant ?
Who cares who wins and loses? I do. I dont particularly care about DeCSS, this is about copyright and about freedom. Are we going to accept this judges ruling that copyright exists for the Movie industry to make money, or are we going to try and bring copyright back to where the constitution put it?
besides the copyright issues I think this statement speaks volumes on the judges part:
"Computer code is expressive. To that extent, it is a matter of First Amendment concern. But computer code is not purely expressive any more that the assassination of a political figure is purely a political statement"
Look at it this way: simply because code can do and represent other things does not make it less expressive any more than the immorality or illeagality of an assassination makes it less a political statement. Every assassination is a political statement of some kind and the circumstances around it dont take that away. Every bit of code is an expressive statement and the use of it does not nullify that.
BTW - they 'one' the battle, did they ?
Wow, most of the responses to this article actually proved the point of the article. Its sad to think one of the few breaths of fresh air around here get yelled at with such dimwitted responses. One of you responded that "Geeks have wildly diffrent views on freedom (BSD vs. GPL). " if this guy thinks that the differing views on the GNU GPL, and the FreeBSD software licence constitute an interrest in democratic freedom I should just shoot myself NOW and get the suffering overwith. My god you people.
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Most of the dialog in Incubus is very poorly pronounced. Some say shatner made the esperanto very french-canadianish. I am no esperanto expert, but I have heard that the filmakers even refused coaches from the north american esperanto league, deciding to figure it out for themselves. I can say that even for an esperanto beginner like myself the poor pronounciation is quite obvious. Butthis isn't a knock against shatner, I suspect any actor speaking a foreign language he/she doesn't know is only as good as thier dialog coaches.
The 72.3% article is mildly interresting. Particularly when you get to the end and it basically destroys the study on scientific ground in the last paragraph. The real interresting part is the measurement of "ignored" commercials.
:)
I think PVRs (in much the same way VHS helped hollywood) will actually help advertisers. When I watched live TV I completely ignored the ads, now I can do the same and save time.
But the ads I do stop to view (yes I admit I do!) I actually watch. So I would imagine they are much more effective. PVRs may actuall finally show advertisers how bad thier ads are.
On a side note I had absolutely no clue who Ellen Feiss was until a recent slashdot article mentioned a pumpkin carved like her.
The yahoo article had some quote from AOL saying somehting about its copyrights on "Gone with the WInd" and "The Wizard of Oz" would be "threatened". as if thats a bad bad thing. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT for crying out loud.
Its insane. Absolutly insane that these people have zero regard for anything but themselves, I have to admitt, it disgusts me sometimes that I live in this society.
Wouldn't it be in Microsoft's best interrest if the unit was "hackable" ? They would have a larger base of loyal users and probably atract a few trough some "killer app" add-on or such. Of course I can see not acknowledging the hacking or supporting it, but TiVo has managed to build quite a following for its PVR by allowing customer modifications to go on with little resistance. wouldn't X-Box reap similar benifits?
Who runs around calling themselves "white hat" or "grey hat" or "black het" its just plain stupid to me. I suspect these terms were created for the purpose of so called "white hat" types differentiating themselves from "black hat" types.
Basically a ruse so they can be 'hip' (being hackers and all...) but still be acceptable to the corporate system.
The simply concept that legallity has ANYTHING to do with morality in the hacker world is absurd. I could list many things that are illegal, but of at least debtable moral stature, and possibly vice versa.
Wow, this guys has some track record. Those are two wonderfully successful technologies!
You see they offer a product that virtually requires broadband, and then when it doesn't sell will be able to claim that they were right, and the internet is only a piracy tool, furthering their cause with congress.
:)
Its similiar to the way the Bush administration has decided to start off with the assumption that we need to invade Iraq, and its up to the iraqi government to prove their own innocence.
Yeah, we should make a second closed internet. but instead of "Private European Internet" we'll call it the "Sane Internet" and disallow any censorship of either a government or corporate nature. We'll totally do what another poster suggested the internet was for, destroy gegraphical borders. Just won't allow any government of corp to bully the content.
That sound like a good idea. I'm all for having ones own value system, but if your offended by content, don't view it!
If you don't agree to the licence for GPL'd software, or even if it doesn't apply to you, then standard copyright still stands. Standard copyright rules won't fly out the window because you weren't explicitly told a product was copyrighted. With regard to the GPL, and maybe other Free or "Open Source" licenses, you actually are GIVEN rights by the copyright holder that you normally DON'T have.
So either your aware of the license, in which case you have to abide by it, or the license doesn't apply do to this legal reason. If the license doesn't apply you can't modify and distribute it anyway.
I can't speak for other OS licenses that I haven't read, but this has basically always been my understanding of the GPL.
I didn't even bring up that the GPL only matters at all IF you are a distributer of the software (modified and/or unmodified) and that a normal user need not agree to it at all and can be safe in treating the software the same way any standard copyrighed work can legally be treated.
Let us not forget, when something attempted to package the freely available WineX code for Debian Transgaming basically said that if Debian had a WineX package they would simply change the license for future versions to prevent it.
What is the point of releasing "open source" code to the public only to bitch and moan the second someone wants to take advantage of the open license.
Personally I'll have nothing to do with them until I see some compelling reason to think they are a company I want to deal with. I can give up playing games if it means keeping my principles.
AutoCAD explains the reason MS Windows users need DRM and Palladium? Please explain
Yes I know people like that. And if they asked me to get them on the internet I certainly would not set them up with an MS Windows box. I would set up a system that gave them the least opurtunity to damage it. Maybe a GNU/Linux box without telling them the root password.
I didn't say I was paranoid, I simply said I didn't understand why I need third party code signing, and MS handling for me. Thats like if you had to authenticate every gas station you went to in order to put some gas in you car - something I'm sure you'd find super annoying after a while, since you probably know whether or not you can trust a certain gas station to have quality gas.
Well you seemed to know that Kazaa had spyware in it so why did you install it? If you had thought before hand maybe you wouldn't need an MS DRM chip to handle it for you.
I admit, I don't run Windows, or IE, I run GNU/Linux and primarily use Mozilla as a browser. I have never been tricked into running "malicious" code. I have never had a virus. I have never had data stolen from me (This presumably has nothing to do with the OS I use, and everything todo with the fact that I try not to be a moron and give my info to any one who asks).
:)
Why do we need all these digital signatures and systems for allowing code to run? I don't have any problems manually figuring out what I think is worthwhile on my system, it all takes place in my head and doesnt require any fancy Linux commands or anything.
I certainly don't have any "spyware" running on my system. Can you MS Windows users tell me, is the world that much different for you? What is it about windows that would make you need all this crap I am doing fine without?
Of course I've only seen one or two unrequested pop-up windows on the web and that was quite a while ago, I hear they are a problem for IE users as well
ok, you know something? Cinematogrophers vote for best Cinematography, so I should think they care about it..... and the reason I think it appears to be a catagory that no one cares about is because its the easiest one to ignore politics on. Cinematogrphers don't tend to go on talk shows...
then why is it that when the first one cam out I saw a quote from one of the brothers along the lines of (paraphasing) "yeah it was always planned as a trilogy, I mean we could do a sequal and a prequel, two sequels, or two prequels" -- if it was always panned as a trilogy, (as everything seems to be nowadays) why didnt he know exactly what they would do ?
Why bother keeping with their wishes in mind? If they want to go proprietary, so be it, but why listen to them? They are he ones that are forcing YOU to continue the project. I think its best to view projects that have been taken proprietary like this as orphaned projects, that same as any other orphaned projects. Jsut my two cents.
When I first saw this piece I thought I was about to read an article about The Boy Scouts of America becoming sailors.
Yes I can see that it is copying 'embrace and extend" but what makes everyone think that that will work against the monopoly, solely because it works for the monopoly? I fear there is some flawed logic in everyones thinking on this.
Am I the only one who thinks it would be much smarter for a competitor to use their own technology. MS has alway been a tough competitior, why does Ximian think they will succeed with this? They should be pressuring Sun to GPL Java (would make sence on the heels of recent news about MS abandoning it) and build an architecture based on that. I think that our own Free .NET type implementation (that also runs on Windows) would be a better strategy than trying to play catch up to a Huge multibillion dollar company that controls the market to start with.
Now this is exactly why linux doesn't have the same penetration as Microsoft Windows. Where are the kernel hackers when we need them? Come on people we clearly need to up the cunt to tits ratio here.
I can't stand these retarded pseudo-intellectuals that invent ideology to disagree with. The intro duction to his paper requires the reader to agree with his assumption that Marxism is a totally flawed ideology. well his assumption there is wrong undermining his entire piece. not to mention the fact that he is a little paranoid and not exactly clear on what he would like to condemn. Please the next time one of these so called intellectuals goes on a rant can some one have them rant on something relevant ?
Who cares who wins and loses? I do. I dont particularly care about DeCSS, this is about copyright and about freedom. Are we going to accept this judges ruling that copyright exists for the Movie industry to make money, or are we going to try and bring copyright back to where the constitution put it? besides the copyright issues I think this statement speaks volumes on the judges part: "Computer code is expressive. To that extent, it is a matter of First Amendment concern. But computer code is not purely expressive any more that the assassination of a political figure is purely a political statement" Look at it this way: simply because code can do and represent other things does not make it less expressive any more than the immorality or illeagality of an assassination makes it less a political statement. Every assassination is a political statement of some kind and the circumstances around it dont take that away. Every bit of code is an expressive statement and the use of it does not nullify that. BTW - they 'one' the battle, did they ?
When one brings up the black hole bit with the people that work at BNL it is ussually greeted with laughter.
Wow, most of the responses to this article actually proved the point of the article. Its sad to think one of the few breaths of fresh air around here get yelled at with such dimwitted responses. One of you responded that "Geeks have wildly diffrent views on freedom (BSD vs. GPL). " if this guy thinks that the differing views on the GNU GPL, and the FreeBSD software licence constitute an interrest in democratic freedom I should just shoot myself NOW and get the suffering overwith. My god you people.