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Linus Torvalds on NPR tonight
amortis writes "Heard on the radio that none other than Linus himself will be featured tonight on NPR's show "Fresh Air," which supposedly airs at 7pm EST. You can listen online at the NPR web site, and might be able to find more info at the Fresh Air page (I couldn't)."
Without going into lots of detail, I respect people who are emotionally mature, and, so to speak, have good control over the "animalistic" parts of their egos. Linus is a better-balanced person than I ever hope to be. He's also very fortunate.
Guess it's appropriate to say he's a real mensch! Thoroughly decent guy.
Terry asks excellent questions; the show is a good intro. to Linus and Linux.
Linus is apparently on a book tour; has a new book out (forgot the title). Expect more interviews, and probably some on NPR, as well.
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Anyone know how to deal with Real audio these days without having to buy RealPlayer Gold 8? Where's the free client download for Real- is it not available any more?
... kinda sucks.
It's been so long since I cared about RealAudio, I didn't realize they've gone completely commercial now
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It's spelled Linux but it's pronounced "guh-new lin-nucks".
She does great radio and is a credit to the medium. Which can be said about NPR in general.
I would bet that even if Terry Gross had never heard of linux before, she sat down with the book and read it and made notes on the things she wanted to ask about. And her style of doing interviews tends to bring people out and feal good about being interviewed.
I'll have to listen to it later.
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You would never know that from listening to her (except once in a while it gets mentioned on air). You always feal that she is in a living room chatting with her guests. Even if she is in Phily and the guest is who knows where.
Oh and they have all of their archive online so you can listen to a show she did 10 years ago if it intrests you.
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Terry Gross always makes it a point to know about the things she is going to ask and comes out with a very interesting show.
Air times will vary by where you live and when your NPR station airs it. But you should be able to get it tomorow from the NPR web site.
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I listened to it this morning, and I felt that she did a very good job. Its not only important that she understand the idea of "Open source software" its important that those of us listening do too. Ok I know what it is but many people who are listening might not know. So she gave Linus a chance to explain some of the ideas.
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It appears as though the Fresh Air people have either been receiving hoardes of nerd e-mail asking "Where's the Linus Torvalds info" on their site, or amortis is just really oblivious to the prominently featured story.. Probably the former, but I don't really know amortis. ;)
Btw, WHYY studios are in Philadelphia. What's the Linux goings on in Philly that I don't know about?
Not necessarily. I know my old company set the firewall up to actually filter the content of the streams. That is, with the HTTP connection it would look at the incoming mimetype and filter based on that. We had huge problems with a bunch of people listening to streaming radio all day that consumed all the company's bandwidth preventing others from doing useful work. After patiently asking the offenders to stop, and they didn't, the content filter was activated. I could read web pages and download software, but not listen to streamed content.
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Doesn't it seem backwards to anyone that Linux fans in general want a mp3 version? MP3 is pretty much entirely *not* free. I'm afraid that it might be an indication that linux folks are really "free beer" folks as opposed to "free speech". Granted, its the most free of the widely deployed alternatives, but its not the solution. Go Ogg!
One other weird thing, Linus's prononciation is generally quite good, but he says "project" like prowwject which gets really annoying
That's the British/Canadian pronunciation of "project" -- as an American living in Canada I found it weird at first too.
Never seemed to have stopped him before. Besides, he only uses guests as an excuse to talk about his own opinion on the subject at hand.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
I suspect that Charlie Rose's politics are basically pro-Charlie Rose.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
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Maybe they should have Linus on "car talk". They could have a computer segment where people call in with questions about "Wy won't my computer start?" "Why does it make that funny noise?" and the ever popular "What is that funny smell and black smoke coming from?"
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You're correct, of course. However, at least with MP3 you don't have to download the proprietary spyware that is RealPlayer.
Personally, I refuse to install it because it's spyware. They install all kinds of advertisement and data gathering crap. Plus, it's proprietary. Oh, and you rarely can ever just download the audio. Considering that: 1) it often skips for me; and 2) if I want to listen again I have to waste more bandwidth, I prefer just downloading the damn thing. Hey, maybe that's just me, though.
That's strange. It always seemed to *me* that CR was very good at not involving his own opinions.
What you've said is dead on. However, I'm hopeful that an injection of NeXT badassery into Apple will change things somewhat. I *do* wish they'd kept the old NeXTSTEP GUI, though. It was so slick. Aqua is like watching really bad cartoons.
What strikes me is that I can never figure out what "side" he's on. Is he a leftist? Could he be conservative or moderate? It's so easy to tell with some people but I can't figure out which way his wind blows. I don't know, maybe that's bad, but I think it's kind of refreshing.
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Draw your own conclusions.
here's the link to the ra file
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/fa/20010604.fa.ram
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And anyone who listened to NPR during the presidential campaign could hear that they were in no way avoiding political interests. I think a more appropriate name for the network during this time would be "Al Gore For President Public Radio." Not that I like Bush, in fact, I hate him, but the one-sideness was ridiculous.
I dunno - if repressed angst does it for you, you can hardly beat Ira Glass. He's so laid back he's almost comatose, yet at the same time oddly intense. There's an almost physical urge to jump down the radio and yank the next sentence fragment out of him. That may be the big attraction of This American Life - it's not the stories, it's how they're told.
My personal favorite, however, is Fiona Richie (host of The Thistle and Shamrock, an Irish music show). There's nothing like an accent on a woman you've never seen to make her sound incredibly desirable. I may even name my first-born daughter Fiona in her honor.
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In listening to the interview, it occurred to me that RMS and ESR have probably done this sort of combined interview enough times that they probably know the other guy's answers by heart at this point. For their next combined interview, they should switch and argue the other's position :)
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It's not like you can't get realplayer clients for Linux, though. Sure, they're not the very latest, but they still play.
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I listened to the broadcast earlier and thought something was strange. Then it hit me. Linus' accent has thinned out a bit. Or is it just my imagination?
I guess we just wait until someone "frees" the audio (e.g. converts it to .ogg or .mp3) and makes it available (hint, hint).
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
The show has already played in half the market. Now we have to deal with real audio crap to hear it. I'll just be waiting for someone who can convert it to .ogg or .mp3 to make it available.
Next time, /. needs to check the national schedule for radio shows and get the word out before the first market plays.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
No, you are not the only person. However I do need a Linux solution, and I'm not interested in f#####g around with real player in Linux anymore. OTOH, I don't have that much I would need to convert.
For now, anyone who can make a conversion and put it online solves the immediate problem.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Fine. OGG it is. When will you have the conversion ready?
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
My local NPR station seems to pretty technologically adept, as they have a shoutcast stream availiable here. The program will air at 7PM EDT, which is in roughly 1 hour and 20 minutes from time of posting.
http://152.2.63.108:8000/listen.pls for the goatsex weary.
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Last year I contacted the producers of "Sommar", a swedish radio program that airs every summer. The concept is that the host gets one hour with their own script and the music of their own choice, to talk about whatever they want. My suggestion was that they should invite Linus to do this show once. Unfortunately, when they presented this years hosts, he was not among them.
Like National Public Radio, Open source software is supported by those who benefit from it directly, and it manages to avoid political and commercial interests. At the same time, many other non-contributors can benefit from it.
How could such an obvious parallel get missed?
I really enjoyed the interview.
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You can listen here ( http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/fa/20010604.fa.01.ram ).
No. NPR is lobbying to ensure that these microstations are kept at least three steps distant from existing stations. So if there's a 91.5 in a market, there shouldn't be a 91.1, 91.3, 91.7 or 91.9, leaving 92.1 and 90.9 as the next available steps on either side.
This does reduce the number of slots available for microbroadcasting my a significant percentage, but there would still be dozens of slots available even in the busiest markets.
Listen to this show, and hear how to pronounce Linux, by the man himself :-)
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Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
..the free (as in beer) RealPlayer 8 for Linux installs very cleanly, comes with an rpm file, etc. etc. Very nicely done.
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
http://www.flyingbuttmonkeys.com/linux.mp3
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
http://www.flyingbuttmonkeys.com/linux.ogg
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
I just listened to it and I always thought his name was lin-us and not Line-us a la Charlie Brown. Yet, she repeatedly calls him Line-us and he never corrects her. She does pronounce "Linux" correctly however.
What the heck?
Thank you so much for the mp3 version.
same problem as above and I tried that as well. no go. all streaming stuff seems to be blocked by the corp. firewall at my location as well.
bastards.
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As Mithrandir pointed out, this is exactly what my company is doing.
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Most of the swearing (and for that matter, occurances of things like brand names) is done in comments, not string literals. A recursive grep on the source tree would be better.
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Here's the interview where she talks about that (and other things):
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20000901.me.06.ram
I refuse to use RealPlayer, as probably others do too.
It took less then a minute to download too! Nice con !
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You probably meant to say that the show starts at 7PM EDT. The US is on Daylight Saving time now, not Standard time.
Could you upload the file to some other location? Your server doesn't seem up to the /. effect...
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...is a wonderful interviewer. She really seems to understand enough about the relevant issues to ask intelligent questions, and she has a knack for making her guests comfortable enough to reveal themselves. The show's format helps, too; plenty of time for each interview (20 or 30 minutes), and no morons calling in.
Should be a really worthwhile listen; probably one of the best interviews Linus will do on his book tour.
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It's 1:07 here in Washington State, and the interview is on right now...
It's a bit disingenuous to call that program "light." Notice from the webpage that "Fresh Air" is more generally oriented towards new trends in arts and literature. This is about as un-technical an audience as NPR ever targets. One might expect them to mention the political implications of open source and nothing else.
While there was a lot of this, the host also gave Linus the chance to explain what an operating system was, and he even went on to differentiate between the Linux kernel and a more complete operating system. If one had been taking notes, one could have basically had an introductory class in OS design. So why don't we acknowledge the audience to whom this program is trying to speak, and applaud "Fresh Air" for even trying to tackle some of the technical jargon.
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I've got it tuned in on my radio right now and it doesn't seem to be slashdotted.... you *do* know what a radio is, don't you? And the bandwidth seems to be adequate, too.
What the heck. Dust it off, tune in and let's see if we can slashdot the radio station!
Give me my freedom, and I'll take care of my own security, thank you.
When are we going to see the first big adopter of Ogg Vorbis?
And yes, I know RMS' talks are in .ogg format. I'm hoping to see .ogg adoption by websites that non-geeks use, so that Vorbis can get on its way to mainstream acceptance...
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Ignore the previous one... :P
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He seems to be quite the celeb at the moment, as he just talked on Todd Mundt's show almost 2 weeks ago, I grabbed my own copy of the recording
I also found it interesting how the second half of the show talked about cussing in the workplace, so I did a quick grep on the 2.4.3 source code, and found these results:
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One other weird thing, Linus's prononciation is generally quite good, but he says "project" like prowwject which gets really annoying.
I will be making and ogg of the interview and posting a followup to this message for those who don't want to install proprietary realplayer.
I just got through listening, and it is very nice basic introduction to Linux. Lots of the basics of what Open Source is. Linus talks about WHY WE DO IT. Try this for the Real Player feed
For all you Linus junkies out there in La La Land... you can hear it at 3:00pm PDT (that's one hour and fifteen minutes from now) on KCRW 89.9 Santa Monica
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As an interviewer it is often helpful to put forth popular assertions so that the interviewee can correct them. This is a technique, and I'm sure it was planned.
On Talk of the Nation, Science Friday, April 17, 1988 there was an interview with Richard Stallman (RMS) and Eric Raymond (ESR). You might find the contrast between Linus and RMS interesting.
Oh yes, this interview doesn't start till 1/2 way through the audio file, it starts about 27:30...
it already aired at 1pm EDT and will reair at 11pm EDT on 90.9 for those in the boston area. (also check the real audio link someone else posted)
I would say that the reason for this is that the average listener has no idea what the "open source movement" is. People here on Slashdot are not your average listener. The average person who listens to NPR is someone who is usually fairly well educated, and quite often they are not the most technical people in the world (a good amount of my friends fall directly into this category). Thus, that person has no idea what is going on in the software world, and therefore has no idea what the whole idea of open source vs. closed source is.
In this way, the interviewer has delved into the issue rather well and touched on the open source side of the argument, giving the people who are listening a much better idea of what is going on. The idea of programming purely in the open source matter (and not specifically for profit) is something that is foreign to most people out there. They have no idea that there is a culture that loves to program for the sake of coding, they are generally ignorant of that. They understand artists doing things for the sake of art, but they usually don't consider it to be art.
I think that in this way, this is the only thing that the interviewer missed (and Linus didn't specifically say). She concentrated on the differences between the open source movement and the closed source movement (basically, the difference between those who are out there specifically for profit, and those who are out there specifically for the elegant and superior design). This is pretty much the first step, as most peole don't understand it in this area. They understand the idea of the artist not selling out, but nobody has any idea of what people are talking about when they refer to a coder selling out.
One thing I will note as well, is that it was hard to get across the point of the GPL (which is actually not the easiest concept to explain), and she actually hit Linus hard on this topic quite a bit, trying to get this point across. It probably would have been better for her to get someone like RMS or ESR to talk about Open Source or GPL (in their respective roles).
I think that one of the other things that she did very well was that she really delved into the idea of programming for the joy of programming. She may not have gotten the whole point of it all, but she really got close. She realized quickly that Linus was most responsive to questions that dealt with his joy of programming, and so she kept going in that direction. For this I have to salute her ability as an interviewer.
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As a regular listener of Fresh Air, I'm happy to say that this will be their first heterosexual male guest in 351 episodes.
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than your average American Howard Stern show....
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The real audio stream of today's show with Torvalds buffered and played fine. Interesting so far... though I'm only a couple of minutes into it.
Same reason she keeps saying "Trans-MEAT-a"
One thing that jumped out at me about this interview was that Terry asked a lot of questions about Linus's personal finances. The VALinux IPO, why he didn't want to "sell" Linux, etc. Hardly two sentences about his book, definitely no gratuitous plugs. That was nice. Interesting that Linus was careful to present Linux as the kernel and separate it from the programs that run on it, but still manage not to mention GNU or the FSF the whole time.
All in all an interesting peek into Linus's life, and a peek into what Linux is for the masses. I may actually check out his book.
Linus was also on Charlie Rose a few weeks back. I am sure the regular Charlie Rose viewer was going "Huh?". Charlie didn't seem to have a clue about what Linux is or why it exists.
My alarm clock goes to radio for 30 minutes and then I get hit with the buz sound.
Today I didn't even need the buz because as I heard it at 13:30 in CA I caught the word Linux. Then I caught the word Linus.
What was going on here?
Linus was on NPR.
It was nice haveing him as my alarm clock waking me with talk about his granddads first prebuilt computer and how he wrote some realy bad games and how games in genral are the most demanding thing you can do to a system. When you think of famous people who did something to be famous other than just be famous you dont normaly think about them sitting at the dinner table with their parents or playing on their granddads calculator.
It was a good interview over all and the host did not ask stupid questions that are so commen in interviews (celeb or other wise).
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Never heard him other than through phospher
To go off on a tangent, it seems that Linus used to have a much thicker accent then he does now, which is kinda a shame. There is an audio file of him pronouncing "Linux" back before he moved to America. I think it's in "/pub/linux/kernel/silly-sounds" on any Linux kernel mirror.
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According to the Salon Story:
But because the FM dial is so crowded already, insisting on third channel protection would eliminate 75 percent of all possible locations for new LPFM outlets. That means that, whereas the FCC had hoped to license hundereds of stations, it would only be able to license about 70 nationwide.
70 stations is hardly "dozens of slots available in the busiest of markets." Its more like stations in rural areas and small cities.
Somebody please, tell this machine I'm not a machine.
It is 'open source news' in a way, after all)
I wouldn't go that far - NPR has been pretty aggressive in lobbying against microbroadcasting, and other independent media. Fearing that microbroadcast operators might threaten its monopoly on community-oriented broadcasting, it lobbied the FCC and Congress to keep low-power operations illegal, narrowing the pool of voices you hear on air.
In a recent article in Seattle's The Stranger, NPR host Ira Glass criticized NPR for being risk-averse and uninnovative, noting there are few young or minority voices in NPR programs.
I used to be a big NPR supporter, until they began to strong arm the government to exclude other community broadcasters.
Somebody please, tell this machine I'm not a machine.
Before I wised up and got a real career, I got an MFA in creative writing. One time we had a seminar put on by some editor for a pretty big "literary" publishing house. She said the surest way for a book's sales to jump was to have the author interviewed on NPR--Freshair specifically.
Not having been able to listen to the show (it was on at 11pm EDT here in the Boston area, and I need my sleep), I really speak from experience - but based on the original post, the interviewer was trying to allow Torvalds to explain what he was doing in his own words. Some listeners most likely would want to know the answer to the question "why didn't you sell it?" as they truly don't understand the ideals behind Open Source.
The interviewer is asking questions for the listeners - not for herself. When interviewing a person about anything, an interviewer should rarely assume the audience understands the topic and should try and get the interviewee to explain the topic, so that the listeners know that what they're hearing is the actual answer from the interviewee, as opposed to some summary that the interviewer came up with.
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I thank that is a great quote, and it describes perfectly how many people on this forum? :)
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If you need to find your area's NPR station that carries Fresh Air, you can go to this link. And if you have already missed it (the show has already aired today in most areas) then you can visit the archive to listen to a copy. Enjoy!
Time for some tasty Shiner Bock!
For you linear types: ELibrary has transcripts of all the NPR shows that get transcribed. Paid access site, but cheaper and faster than ordering a transcript from the network.
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Something like fiasco could be paired with vorbis in an ogg wrapper for a really low-bitrate movie player. Fiasco is much smaller than jpeg, can be made as movies and lacks much of the artifacts that jpeg has, the de-compression is really quick and pretty good (it still could use a lot of work). The huge downside is that it took about 6 hours on a 533MHz alpha (think 1GHz+ athlon or p3 as this has lots of fp) for a 30 second clip.
search on freshmeat if you want to find it, i am too lazy to find the url right now, as I am supposed to give a presentation at the local lug in about right now
I listened to Freah Air for a couple of years before it got a website. The first time I saw a picture of Terry I was *very* sad. That someone with a voice like hers should look like she does makes me sad. But yes her voice is very nice.
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I don't think she did a good job. It was obvious she did not understand the material. She did *not* know who VA Linux was. How hard would that be to figure out? And, she didn't even know what IBM and HP were doing with Linux. She didn't even think Linux was copyrighted.
I thought it was quite boring.
I haven't looked through all of the comments, so I'm not sure if this is redundant, but here's a link to some info on the npr site:s torvalds
http://freshair.npr.org/guestInfoFA.cfm?name=linu
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Linus has done several interviews pimping his new book. Which is very good, I have an uncorrected-proof copy. Its called Just For Fun, The Story of an Accidental Revolution.
I saw a live interview about two weeks ago on Tech Live on Tech TV. It may be avaliable from their web site.
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Considering that former FCC chairman Kennard says that NPR's opposition before Congress was what killed his initiative to legalize micro-broadcasting, should we be urging contributions to NPR stations? True, NPR is a bit to the left, and sometimes entertaining; true, many of the micro-broadcasters would have been evangelical churches on the far right. Still the principle seems all wrong: NPR has helped prevent the emergence of real, local, community-based radio. What with Pacifica Radio in flames, that means no voices more radical than NPR's pleasant liberals will be heard in most of the country.
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She starts out saying "Lye-Nus" and "Lie-Nox", and assumes that no one can sell Linux. By the end, she's picked up on how Linus says his own name and the OS', and understands a little better that Open Source is about giving people the same rights you have.
If you can't listen to the whole thing, listen to her intro, then to the conclusion.
I'd rather have someone respond than be modded up.
I have heard the voice of Linus, I am smitten. =)
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Because Line- Ox is the natural way to pronounce the word "Linux." Ask someone who's never heard the word before to pronounce it and see what comes out. It won't be lyn-uhx, that's for sure.
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LOL! That's hilarious for reasons I can't elucidate.
Go Kathryn Thurber!
That's not really fair... preparing for a story, what would you do? Read up on it on paper, or 'watch up' on it by watching VCR tapes? Which is quicker?
Go Kathryn Thurber!
I would love to contribute, but right now, I can't write documentation or stuff like that, because Linux is still a little over my head. So I'd like his thoughts on that.
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...it appears that the interviewer seemed very clueless about the "open source movement" so to speak. It seemed to me that she didn't grasp some of the concepts, particularly that Torvalds did this for the love of programming and nothing more. She even asked Torvalds if he was some how regretful that he didn't try to "sell" his OS rather than giving it away. Her pronunciation of "Linux" as "Linox" was quite disconcerting as well.
She also didn't grasp, at least at first, that you can sell free software. Overall, I liked the interview, but I wish the interviewer had done her homework or did she not know where to look for such information. She could have taken the discussion more in depth if she knew more. I do feel that it is good exposure for Linux nonetheless. At the end, it appeared that she was starting to understand the concept of free software. This may mean that the Linux community could do some more PR work in this area.
I brought up that last point because many people, even IT people don't really seem to grasp or understand the concepts behind free software, open source, and that the value of Linux can't be measured by a price tag on a shrink wrapped box. Microsoft won't go away any time soon and neither will Linux much to Microsofts dismay. Linux is free and far too useful to just throw by the wayside. There are many online docs and how-to's, but we can't insure that people will learn linux effectively. On the other hand, we can work to educate people to understand the processes, ideals, and workings behind the movement. This is perhaps just as important as any how-to document because the community is ultimately what drives Linux and understanding that community is part of the overall learning process.
Listen to the archived show http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/fa/20010604.fa.ram
already online. http://freshair.npr.org just click current show
I just heard it on WBEZ (public radio in Chicago). It started at 2:00pm Central time. It wasn't bad, but it was pretty light. Terry (sp?) Gross is one of the best interviewers I know of, but the technical nature of LINUX really got in the way of an in-depth discussion. He (Linus) did have some interesting personal comments on what it was like to ride the rise and fall of an IPO. Check the website of your local public radio station (you are a contributor aren't you? It is 'open source news' in a way, after all)
I refuse to use anything which operates outside of binary holes in a card. Well, that and an abacus.
information is immaterial
In a similar manner, she thought that GPL kept people from making money off of software, but Torvald's answer made the distinction clear: the software can be sold, but its source must be made available.
information is immaterial
I went to listen (by copying link location and heading over the realplayer because my web browser does not work properly) but then realized that alsa's on the blink ever since debian upgraded to 0.9, so I couldn't actually hear my fearless leader on his own operating system (yeah, I know...). Does anyone else see the humor in this?
I chuckled and went to log in and share this, but realized I forgot my password, had it emailed to me, but then realized again that I had left mutt in a state of half-compilation (lack of libssl-dev) and so had to compile my damn mail program before being able to post. Yeah, thanks a lot Linus ;)
flames to /dev/null...
Why does Terry Gross keep saying "Lin-ox"??
Is it just me or does Terry Gross have THE sexiest voice on radio? I could listen to her for hours. ... and this is ... FRESH AIR!
already three pronunciations of linux, hehe. yeah yeah, foof topic and all that.
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Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. -- Carl Sagan
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They make mention of Linus' book (which is great, for those who haven't picked it up yet)
I can see it now...BURN the GAMES! Computer gaves are EVIL!!! -- Please, this was a little beat down for being a pissant. So what, but of course the media will spin it out like it was the purest form of proof that computer games are evil. Considering that many people play it those are good ratios. I have never seen anyone throw a punch at a baseball game, or Soccer, or football, or hockey....No one ever brings them up anymore I wonder why?
You could view this like being a network Admin, your considered over payed, and underworked because the only time they ever see you or hear you is when shit is screwed up. Just like computer games, no one see thousands of kids playing it and not taking drugs. Or playing them and learning problem solving skills, computer skills, programing skills, everything but how to interact with other people in real life. Thing is the people in controll of the country right now don't understand computers. Give it some time, and the new computer generation will crop up and understand. Not run around like idoits pointing at anything that will take blame off themselves.
Ok, end rant here....spelling and grammer ignored for speed.
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Strange, wonder if it was me or Slash...I am guessing me.
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This is getting off-topic, but most of Indiana does not observe daylight savings time and is in the Eastern time zone. The exceptions are a few counties near Chicago, Louisville, Cincinnati, and Evansville. When the railroads first created time zones, they put Indiana in the Central. Then the US government decided to get involved and, in their infinite wisdom, put the line between Eastern and Central about three blocks east of the statehouse in Indianapolis. An entire state said "You gotta be kidding me." So as a way to please no one, the state went Eastern and no DST. More or less.
Personally, I'd like to see us go to a half-hour time zone like Newfoundland, if only because it would really confuse Chicagoans.
-- T-Bone
Work is the curse of the drinking classes. - Oscar Wilde
The Independent: Reverend Spooner Arrested in Friar Tuck Incident - ISIHAC, Historical Headlines
All those who worship at the alter of Bill Gates ought to listen to this interview. Linus is a breath of fresh-air in the software world. Bill Gates has nothing on Linus. Linus is a much better example of how a human being should act then Gates. Somehow, even with all his charity, I still think of Bill Gates as a rich spoiled brat. I don't think Linus will ever be that way.
What is pirate software? Software for inventory of stolen treasure?
Man...I thought I heard Linus and Linux mentioned on the university's jazz station as I drove home from class today, I figured I was just hearing things.
Here's the link if you're reading this story after 6.4.01 http://freshair.npr.org/dayFA.cfm?todayDate=06/04/ 2001
Hehe...listening to it now, the host didn't practice the pronounciation of linux very much...so far she's said 'lih-nocks' and 'lye-nucks'
Have you tried setting up realplayer to use HTTP transport instead of TCP/UDP, or is it a truly evil firewall that looks through HTTP stuff as well?
If god had intended you to be naked, you would have been born that way.
From the main screen, go to View -> Preferences
Choose the Transport Tab, select Use Specified Transports
In both the RTSP Settings And PNA Settings, set it up to Use HTTP only.
It should work after that. Though I've still got to put in the standard disclaimer: Any foul acts occurring as a result of following these instructions, including, and not limited to Loss of data, loss of limb, turning into a talking stoat, bringing about the apocalypse, are not my fault, and you do manage to bring about any ill affects, it's not my fault.
If god had intended you to be naked, you would have been born that way.
http://www.kqed.org/streamingfiles/kqed_wmp.asx
"Get them before they get....
The Fresh Air site has a list of stations with frequencies and broadcast times.
Pardon me, but could you please explain why ANY educated non-programmer should have the high level of awareness of the internecine "movements" within the programmer community that you seem to expect? Terry was no less knowledgeable about this topic than any other intelligent American who happens to be blessed with a career that does not take place entirely in a cube in front of a CRT. When he answered her questions she "grasped" these things soon enough. Linus did a great job overall in introducing concepts like the operating system and the open source development model to the non-technical public. This wasn't even really the goal of the interview; it was to examine an interesting, intelligent celebrity who's just written a popular autobiography (for purposes of the interview, he was "author Linus Torvalds"). Terry interviews people who are on the public radar screen and makes their topic of interest -- whatever it is -- interesting to the audience. I've heard her interview K.C. (of The Sunshine Band), and it made cheesy disco music seem like a compelling form of expression. That's what she's good at. Here she did what she always does: get into a (virtual) studio with someone and get them to expound on stuff that she knows nothing about and the audience doesn't give a flying flip about, and make that topic clear and compelling. Face it, to most people, what could possibly be more boring or more arcane than a computer's OS?
This is a crucial question, and any reporter who ignored it, especially in the US, would be ignoring the obvious. You've created a technological marvel, why not cash in?
Linus' answer to this was thoughtful and insightful. It boiled down to this:
This last one is especially of note here in the capitalist West. Part of the the "free market" doctrine is a responsibility on everyone to make money for someone all the time. "Productivity" is defined as short-term money-making; work that doesn't make money isn't acknowledged as work. I'm no Marxist & don't necessarily support huge Nordic-style government, but it's a great challenge to our system that such a luminary names his country's welfare state as an inspiration, or rather as having provided the sense of security that let him engage on this huge labor of love.
Me, I can't wait for Linus to be interviewed by Christopher Lydon!
Fight for your right to read books!
I have heard her in fact ask questions of people right after they just finished talking about something.
Subject: ...which reminds me of my childhood spending summers playing with my bother.
Terry: Interesting. So, tell me, did you have any siblings?
I have heard some people get pissed at her for not seeming to pay attention to the interview. (And some pretty prominent figures that one would have thought that she would have taken greater care/interest about.)
That being said, she does usually get really good people on the show, so I listen anyway and grumble when she starts acting like an idiot.
I heard part of the Linus interview earlier today and found him interesting. (Never heard him other than through phospher.)
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Please, people, don't tell me that it is a proprietary format; it hasn't stopped people before.
The Real freeware player installed so much crap that I refuse to ever install it again, no matter how much I want to hear anything.
I'm listening to the interview. And well, NPR is not for nerds. I have the feeling that the host actually doesn't know what Linux is. But it's nice to listen to Linus talking about MIcrosoft then, in a non-technical view
"Trying is the first step towards failure" - Homer J Simpson.
Those interested can find a list (listed by state) of stations across the U.S. that carry Fresh Air at http://freshair.npr.org/stationsFA.cfm.
I refuse to use ogg or mp3, as probably others do (not have sound cards like me)
She has a very sexy voice, and she's smart, a great interviwer, but when I saw what she looked like I was underwhelmed. She's too butchy for me, but hey, I was getting turned on over NPR for chrissakes, so who am I to say?
The system has failed you, don't fail yourself. --Billy Bragg
The system has failed you, don't fail yourself. --Billy Bragg
USB pretty much works, and Firewire, Shmirewire. Apples are for pussies who don't like to fool with pesky things like files, or 11 year old girls who like them because they're pretty.
The system has failed you, don't fail yourself. --Billy Bragg
The firewall at work doesn't allow streaming media, and I'll still be here when Fresh Aire comes on. Unless [cough] I develop [yack] a bad case of [gag] 24 hour Ebola. Hey, boss [hurl], can I go home?