...even if I think that many of them (such as the car driving itself) is about 10 years too early on his time table. Not because we technologically can't do it - but because of the politics.
Its not just that, but the mere transition period for something like 'cars driving themselves' would probably take 25 years. Think about it. You have to line EVERY ROAD IN THE NATION with electric devices for the vehicle, then 'self driving' cars will be expensive, so people won't be buying them exclusively. Hell, if selfdriving (that are efficient and 100% safe) came out today, people not worrying about gridlock and accidents (basically everything setup and everyone having selfdriving cars) probably wouldn't happen until at least 2020 IMHO.
For the record, most of that comment was a joke, I'm 28, haven't had caffeine for months, and only played UO a bit when it first came out.
I refuse to play a game that requires time from me daily and charges me $10 a month. Just saw one too many of my friends get pulled into games like EQ.
Just look at counterstrike. It was fun BEFORE it was popular. Once it became popular, though, it was cheating and infested with 12 year olds named "1337 m4573R!" with severe cases of tourrets.
Most of the people are the same. Jumping from one addiction to the next. See, you thought Everquest wasn't very addictive, so you took that first hit...er... month for free. Then when you got into that second month, they asked for money. Soon that got expensive, so you switched from crac...errr... Everquest to cocai.... errr... city of heros. Its a little cheaper to pay for, but the high you get is a little better.
Yes, I feel that in 10 years we will see a sharp decline of subscribers from ALL MMOGs due to OD'ing or parents kicking their 30 year old kids out of the house and force them to get jobs.
Seriously, though, I don't get it from the players perspective. You pay $30-$50 a shot to BUY the game and the first month. Then you pay $10 a month to play. You, then, PAY (?!?!?) for major updates to the system (cleverly named 'expansions')???
What does that $10 go to? Just playing on the servers?
The other sad thing is that the games aren't fun to a casual gamer. You have to be a teenager or college kid without any outside distractions to do well in these games. Once you are good enough, its your duty to be an ass to all casual gamers so they eventually quit and never play again.
What MMOG really need is a 'death' time. You 'age' in the game, and once you hit like 60 you die. That way kids that play the game 8+ hours a day can start at level 16 and work to super massive skills, but the casual gamer can start at 30 when a few skills have been mastered and they can play without fear of some child named 1337 d00d smacking them around and being an ass.
Yeah, they were doing poorly, but have enough subscribers that they have a decent revenue stream. In fact, on the second page they even explain this. So this guy isn't 'saving TiVo', he's simply trying to make it enormous.
Wow, your standards are waaay higher than mine. If they sold the console with earphones to which I can only hear the game for an hour without hearing any nagging or temper tantrums, I'd shell out $500.
Wow... I haven't been an Arnie fan since his desecration of a movie, T3... but this evens the boards back out. Hell, this even puts him back over to the good side.
Now if he gets a cameo (along with Jessie Ventura) in AvP... that'll put'm both in highest regards in my book;-)
I agree 100%. Even if its only an 'expensive camera,' it is fascination and inspiration to people (and children who may become astrophysicists and astronomers).
Science and space should be fun and exciting... that's what Hubble is. It keeps the public interested in science, which makes it easier to get funding for, say, Mars missions.
Perhaps most interestingly, 'HD TeAm' is offering to release the code to the world if enough donations are given to the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
I hear a buncha guys tried this in some foreign country. Something about slitting throats unless buddies were taken out of jail.
It didn't end up pretty.
This 'digital blackmail/digital terrorism' leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I hope the EFF does the right thing and encourages people not to donate for this cause. Or perhaps not give out how much money they've been donated. This should not be encouraged at all.
Note that this does not mean that they are replacing IE with FireFox.
Good, cause firefox has render problems on slashdot all the time (where as IE doesn't). I don't think its firefox, either, cause it doesn't happen on any other site I go to.
But what about the other side? Lets ask Roosevelt E Roosevelt:
Well, thank you, Roosevelt. What's the weather like out there?
"It's hot. Damn hot! Real hot! Hottest things is my shorts. I could cook things in it. A little crotch pot cooking."
Well, can you tell me what it feels like?
"Fool, it's hot! I told you again! Were you born on the sun? It's damn hot! I saw... It's so damn hot, I saw little guys, their orange robes burst into flames. It's that hot! Do you know what I'm talking about?"
What do you think it's going to be like tonight?
"It's gonna be hot and wet! That's nice if you're with a lady, but it ain't no good if you're in the jungle."
I'm a gamer. I play RPGs, my fav game of all time is System Shock 2, and I absolutely love football games (only on the console, though). Just because I'm a nerd and a gamer doesn't mean I don't/can't love football.
you blame this on developers. Honestly, the blame should fall on the publisher or upper management. The developers are already overworked and underpaid. The publisher look at the best time to publish games/updates/addons and when they'll get the best return for their money... then they TELL the developer it has to be done by then. The developers try as they may, and usually end up losing the war (Ultima IX is a perfect example of a publisher (EA) pushing out a game before its finished).
What I think needs to happen is realistic dates put on the game, and gamers realizing it takes time to make a game, and not insist on being so angry when things take time (its the gamers that fuel the publishers to push things sooner).
In this same vein, E3 gets the game magazine writers excited, which spills into their writing, which gets the gamers excited. Its all about getting your message and hyping up the gaming community. That's what sells games.
... it has really odd side effects. Its almost like psychokenesis.
Thinking about it gets me angry, and everytime I get angry, slashdot gets 503 errors... Sorry about those, folks.
Seriously, though... isn't there such a thing as 'rolling back production code,' and 'unit tests,' and 'testing out code on a test server before pushing to production'?
Those of us that work in coding shops use these profusely... would be more professional to see something like this in action at slashdot.
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...even if I think that many of them (such as the car driving itself) is about 10 years too early on his time table. Not because we technologically can't do it - but because of the politics.
Its not just that, but the mere transition period for something like 'cars driving themselves' would probably take 25 years. Think about it. You have to line EVERY ROAD IN THE NATION with electric devices for the vehicle, then 'self driving' cars will be expensive, so people won't be buying them exclusively. Hell, if selfdriving (that are efficient and 100% safe) came out today, people not worrying about gridlock and accidents (basically everything setup and everyone having selfdriving cars) probably wouldn't happen until at least 2020 IMHO.
The CTO from Cray said Crays are great machines and are priced competitively!
Next you'll tell me the CEO of SCO thinks the lawsuit is completely valid and fair!
For the record, most of that comment was a joke, I'm 28, haven't had caffeine for months, and only played UO a bit when it first came out.
I refuse to play a game that requires time from me daily and charges me $10 a month. Just saw one too many of my friends get pulled into games like EQ.
Just look at counterstrike. It was fun BEFORE it was popular. Once it became popular, though, it was cheating and infested with 12 year olds named "1337 m4573R!" with severe cases of tourrets.
Most of the people are the same. Jumping from one addiction to the next. See, you thought Everquest wasn't very addictive, so you took that first hit...er... month for free. Then when you got into that second month, they asked for money. Soon that got expensive, so you switched from crac...errr... Everquest to cocai.... errr... city of heros. Its a little cheaper to pay for, but the high you get is a little better.
Yes, I feel that in 10 years we will see a sharp decline of subscribers from ALL MMOGs due to OD'ing or parents kicking their 30 year old kids out of the house and force them to get jobs.
Seriously, though, I don't get it from the players perspective. You pay $30-$50 a shot to BUY the game and the first month. Then you pay $10 a month to play. You, then, PAY (?!?!?) for major updates to the system (cleverly named 'expansions')???
What does that $10 go to? Just playing on the servers?
The other sad thing is that the games aren't fun to a casual gamer. You have to be a teenager or college kid without any outside distractions to do well in these games. Once you are good enough, its your duty to be an ass to all casual gamers so they eventually quit and never play again.
What MMOG really need is a 'death' time. You 'age' in the game, and once you hit like 60 you die. That way kids that play the game 8+ hours a day can start at level 16 and work to super massive skills, but the casual gamer can start at 30 when a few skills have been mastered and they can play without fear of some child named 1337 d00d smacking them around and being an ass.
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Yeah, they were doing poorly, but have enough subscribers that they have a decent revenue stream. In fact, on the second page they even explain this. So this guy isn't 'saving TiVo', he's simply trying to make it enormous.
Wow, your standards are waaay higher than mine. If they sold the console with earphones to which I can only hear the game for an hour without hearing any nagging or temper tantrums, I'd shell out $500.
Wow... I haven't been an Arnie fan since his desecration of a movie, T3... but this evens the boards back out. Hell, this even puts him back over to the good side.
;-)
Now if he gets a cameo (along with Jessie Ventura) in AvP... that'll put'm both in highest regards in my book
Your list of 'impressions' is nothing but bad things people are saying. Any links to the other views?
If not, simply change the title to "Bad things popping up with SP2" or something to that effect.
To help read the comments on this page (without the hypnotic brown/taupe mess), use this link.
/. icon for DB) have anything to do with DBs??
Second, pardon my ignorance, but what does a wheel-barrow (the
I agree 100%. Even if its only an 'expensive camera,' it is fascination and inspiration to people (and children who may become astrophysicists and astronomers).
Science and space should be fun and exciting... that's what Hubble is. It keeps the public interested in science, which makes it easier to get funding for, say, Mars missions.
I never took a course in touch typing, nor have I ever really learned it other than just typing alot. And I'm a 27 year old professional developer!
Don't you mean: ... IN JAPAN!! ??
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I'm with you... and, btw, SS2 will scare the piss outta you. Just a warning ;-)
Perhaps most interestingly, 'HD TeAm' is offering to release the code to the world if enough donations are given to the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
I hear a buncha guys tried this in some foreign country. Something about slitting throats unless buddies were taken out of jail.
It didn't end up pretty.
This 'digital blackmail/digital terrorism' leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I hope the EFF does the right thing and encourages people not to donate for this cause. Or perhaps not give out how much money they've been donated. This should not be encouraged at all.
Note that this does not mean that they are replacing IE with FireFox.
Good, cause firefox has render problems on slashdot all the time (where as IE doesn't). I don't think its firefox, either, cause it doesn't happen on any other site I go to.
... what will EA do if all THEIR employees call in sick???
...to keep its electronics at room temperature.
But what about the other side? Lets ask Roosevelt E Roosevelt:
Well, thank you, Roosevelt. What's the weather like out there?
"It's hot. Damn hot! Real hot! Hottest things is my shorts. I could cook things in it. A little crotch pot cooking."
Well, can you tell me what it feels like?
"Fool, it's hot! I told you again! Were you born on the sun? It's damn hot! I saw... It's so damn hot, I saw little guys, their orange robes burst into flames. It's that hot! Do you know what I'm talking about?"
What do you think it's going to be like tonight?
"It's gonna be hot and wet! That's nice if you're with a lady, but it ain't no good if you're in the jungle."
Ahh, what a great movie.
I'm a gamer. I play RPGs, my fav game of all time is System Shock 2, and I absolutely love football games (only on the console, though). Just because I'm a nerd and a gamer doesn't mean I don't/can't love football.
Doesn't Eclipse have an option to check for updates at startup?
Not really, but thats how the plugin stuff works. Definately scary stuff if this ends up if an injunction happens.
you blame this on developers. Honestly, the blame should fall on the publisher or upper management. The developers are already overworked and underpaid. The publisher look at the best time to publish games/updates/addons and when they'll get the best return for their money... then they TELL the developer it has to be done by then. The developers try as they may, and usually end up losing the war (Ultima IX is a perfect example of a publisher (EA) pushing out a game before its finished).
What I think needs to happen is realistic dates put on the game, and gamers realizing it takes time to make a game, and not insist on being so angry when things take time (its the gamers that fuel the publishers to push things sooner).
In this same vein, E3 gets the game magazine writers excited, which spills into their writing, which gets the gamers excited. Its all about getting your message and hyping up the gaming community. That's what sells games.
... it has really odd side effects. Its almost like psychokenesis.
Thinking about it gets me angry, and everytime I get angry, slashdot gets 503 errors... Sorry about those, folks.
Seriously, though... isn't there such a thing as 'rolling back production code,' and 'unit tests,' and 'testing out code on a test server before pushing to production'?
Those of us that work in coding shops use these profusely... would be more professional to see something like this in action at slashdot.
If you agree, please mod up.
Don't worry... there will be loan officers available to help pay for all those special 'movie priced' foodstuffs you desire!
Only in the complete special edition box set in part of the 23rd DVD.
Of course, this will only cost $139.95 which is inexpensive enough for hardcore and leasure fans to enjoy!