Well, I don't know particularly what this group are planning to use to store their hydrogen, but there are a number of possibilities - some more futuristic than others.
http://www.fuelcellstore.com/information/hydroge n_ storage.html is a good place to start.
1 - Metal Hydrides. A bit futuristic for now, still a little expensive to produce and bulky (but that's not a problem for a storage plant, as opposed to a moving vehicle)
2 - Carbon nanotubes etc. etc. The hydrogen equivalent of vapourware at this stage.
3 - Hydrogen Tanks. Either as liquid (cryo) storage or compressed gas storage. Your point about 'heavy, costly H2 drums' breaking open is really for the gas storage - where pressures must reach around 6,000psi!
4 - Liquid hydrogen tanks. These are probably the best idea in a system such as the one they're proposing. It's horribly inefficient (the H2 must be kept at around -250C - that's 25 Kelvin!) meaning that lots of the hyrogen will boil off (around 30%).
The good thing is that the hydrogen that does boil off can be used to generate energy for liquifying new hydrogen from the electrolyser. This closes the loop somewhat and reduces wastage. Likewise, because there's a steady stream of hydrogen coming into the system, any minor amounts escaping (boiling off) won't be so important, because some of the incoming stream can be diverted to maintain refridgeration.
Because, quite simply, you take that person to court. If it's quite an obvious rip-off, without any royalties paid to the original artist, then there's no reason the court won't award in their favour.
Remember Vanilla Ice and Queen? The bassline from 'Ice Ice Baby' was found in court to be close enough to 'Under Pressure' that Vanilla had to pay over a large amount in royalties.
Your argument just doesn't hold water: 'take away the middleman and plagiarism will increase, and artists will have no way to fight it'.
The court system and copyright laws will continue to exist whether or not there is a middleman to distribute and arrange royalties from the artist.
"OK Bob, we're 143 to 654 in the 4th down in the last 3 minutes of the match...how do you think those Chatenooga Yeehaws are going to face off against the mighty Mississippi Zombies?"
"Well Kent, I thought we'd see some great playoffs from Felty McShane, a 4th generation Irish immigrant - and that's *real* Irish, mind you - who's got a point conversion average of 0.342 from left-footed passes this season but only a 0.311 from righties. If I had my way, I'd play the running man, smack a lighter on that tailpipe and floot the greebs until daddy hoops and hollers his caboose into shootin' touch"
"Couldn'ta said it better myself Bob."
"And he's off, the crowd's going wild! He's made 3 yards and he's down. But since the linebacker was stomping on the quaterback's turf, that's an extra 4000 points to the Yeehaws."
"And the Yeehaws have won!!!"
My 6 month old cousin makes more sense than your ridiculous games. Masses of points resting on a single play?
Can't you enjoy a game unless you have scores composed of some artificial, hugely-inflated numbers just to make what you're watching seem more exciting?
"And it's 4,820,392 to 4,101,523. That last score from halfway down the ground made all the difference!"
*(wake up, socialism does not work in the real world! It results in a crap economy, crap education, and crap health care, and eventually, pissed off citizens!)
As opposed to American capitalism which pisses off the citizens of many *other* nations around the world (but let's not forget McVeigh shall we) and results in 9/11...
Crap economy: Germany? Britain? we're certainly not as large as the USofA but we're definitely in the top 5 year in, year out. And you'd better watch out for that China, it's a doozy!
Crap education: Hmm...I won't even bother..."your country's to enforce it" hah! And in order to be a sovereign nation, you need a sovereign, but hey, who cares...
Crap healthcare: Whose country recently made a film called 'John Q' about a young boy unable to get a heart transplant because his HMO wouldn't pay? Whose country turfs patients out onto the street with chronic illnesses when their insurance runs dry? Where would you rather come down with HIV? The USA where your drug bill alone sets you back in the region of $7,000+ p.a. or Europe, where treatment's free at the point of service?
Your arrogant belief that 'because I'm fine, I don't care about anyone else' is precisely the insular, blinkered view America has of the world. Did you ever study citizenship? The rights of the state are accorded in response to the citizen assuming societal responsibilities - and the most important of those is the responsibility to your fellow citizen. What better way to show what a good American you are than by ignoring those who are most in need.
*MS is like the local drug dealer... gives you the good stuff quick, but just enough to get your addicted. Eventually you'll be paying the big bucks for it and you'll notice the damage only when it's too late.*
Sorry, but that piece of War-on-Drugs propaganda has been disproven many times over. Basically, why would a dealer, with no guarantee of continued custom, give away a free sample of a very expensive substance?
Actually, I think you'll find that a lot of American shows are based on older shows from the UK.
Although you have produced a couple of good ones in recent years (Friends before season 7...or maybe season 6; Scrubs) but nothing can match the pure hilarity of Channel 4's 'Teachers'.
I quote from www.time.com:
Generally, U.S. producers buy a British show's format and some story lines but not its scripts. Then, with big production budgets and highly paid writing teams, they start from scratch, creating an entirely American show with the kernel of an English idea.
That's because all of these orbiting bits are travelling at around 18000 miles/hour just to stay up there (freefall and all that). Otherwise gravity would bring them homeward much sooner.
So imagine if you meet one of these bits that just happens to be orbiting in a different direction from yourself - about 36000 mph of impact energy pointed right at your shuttle window!
That's where the problem comes in, we ain't talking about 10 or even 100mph crashes but 40000mph crashes...serious stuff.
-Nano.
p.s. I know that mph is speed and not momentum but couldn't be bothered to make my piece physically accurate.
so 13 points to get my divx player working properly under linux vs. about 2 under windoze (sic)???
Yep, you've clearly won me over on the argument of ease-of-use and functionality.
Until arrogant linux users like yourself get off your high horse and try making the change from M$ easy for those of us who can't go through 13 steps instead of 2, then your user base simply isn't going to enlarge...and then you'll bitch that M$ is still gaining market share. Boo hoo.
1) Make it easy to use. 2) Make it pretty to use. 3) Don't condescend to people who want to use linux but can't tell a/dev/hda from/dev/null and who don't want to.
Just to chip in on this little section of conversation:
My favourite two sf autors (who excel in both ideas and execution) are Frank Herbert (just finished collecting all his books! Any first-timer should read The Dosadi Experiment before Dune to get a better feel of Herbert's style) and Robert Heinlein (slightly odd, but well-written novels).
I thought M$ bullshit excuse of 'oh look, we took out IE and it just doesn't work as well' had already been tried and rejected in an earlier court case? How can they bring up this as a new defense when it's already failed?
America is unable to prevent thousands of kilos of heroin being smuggled in from outside despite billions of dollars pumped into border surveillance, intelligence and tracking.
Now imagine if China really wanted to destroy the US...smuggle in a few kilos of enriched uranium via the usual routes (hell, sniffer dogs can't detect it, and you could press it into thin wafers to look just like you're bringing home your CD collection from a recent trip to China so those X-ray boys won't notice a thing). Melt it down, make some bombs and then melt down some major cities.
So fuck you you short-sighted militaristic bastards. I've just defeated your multi-billion dollar SDI defense program with a good thought exercise, some good planning and some dedicated terrorists.
US & SDI: 0
Dedicated nuclear terrorists and suppliers: 60,000,000
You shouldn't still be using hockey sticks when the game changes to baseball.
And besides, those multi-billion dollars you spend on your defense programmes would be more efficient in preventing home casualties if they were invested in those nations that want to attack you at present.
1) Arming small 'friendly' nations to the teeth (like Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Indonesia, to mention a few)
2) Allow them to fight the war for you.
This is what George II recently revealed as his plan to fight the 'war on terrorism'. However, there are a couple of small drawbacks:
1) It's already been tried before (anyone remember the 'Cold War'?) 2) You dumbasses ended up putting groups into power like Saddam Hussein in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I mean, the US seems to have forgotten all it learned from Prohibitionism in the 1930s when it comes to its modern drug policy, but when it comes to *ignoring* what it did only 30 years ago when trying to formulate modern foreign policy to fight terrorist groups, that's just plain stupid!
Someone once said, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
There was only a 60% turnout at the last general election. Labour only won because of voter apathy (not that I would have voted for anyone else if I did bother, unfortunately)
Anyway, this is a M$ vs. Linux argument so I'm probably going to get an 'offtopic' for this.
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Well, I don't know particularly what this group are planning to use to store their hydrogen, but there are a number of possibilities - some more futuristic than others.
e n_ storage.html is a good place to start.
http://www.fuelcellstore.com/information/hydrog
1 - Metal Hydrides. A bit futuristic for now, still a little expensive to produce and bulky (but that's not a problem for a storage plant, as opposed to a moving vehicle)
2 - Carbon nanotubes etc. etc. The hydrogen equivalent of vapourware at this stage.
3 - Hydrogen Tanks. Either as liquid (cryo) storage or compressed gas storage. Your point about 'heavy, costly H2 drums' breaking open is really for the gas storage - where pressures must reach around 6,000psi!
4 - Liquid hydrogen tanks. These are probably the best idea in a system such as the one they're proposing. It's horribly inefficient (the H2 must be kept at around -250C - that's 25 Kelvin!) meaning that lots of the hyrogen will boil off (around 30%).
The good thing is that the hydrogen that does boil off can be used to generate energy for liquifying new hydrogen from the electrolyser. This closes the loop somewhat and reduces wastage. Likewise, because there's a steady stream of hydrogen coming into the system, any minor amounts escaping (boiling off) won't be so important, because some of the incoming stream can be diverted to maintain refridgeration.
The song actually first appeared on Queen's 1982 album 'Hot Space'. But yes, it was 'Written, produced and performed by Queen and David Bowie
-Nano.
Just a little p'd off that everyone who replies to me gets moderated up, when I don't.
My question is this:
Is Kazaa using this as a ploy to make their spyware compulsory?
-Nano.
Because, quite simply, you take that person to court. If it's quite an obvious rip-off, without any royalties paid to the original artist, then there's no reason the court won't award in their favour.
Remember Vanilla Ice and Queen? The bassline from 'Ice Ice Baby' was found in court to be close enough to 'Under Pressure' that Vanilla had to pay over a large amount in royalties.
Your argument just doesn't hold water: 'take away the middleman and plagiarism will increase, and artists will have no way to fight it'.
The court system and copyright laws will continue to exist whether or not there is a middleman to distribute and arrange royalties from the artist.
-Nano.
"OK Bob, we're 143 to 654 in the 4th down in the last 3 minutes of the match...how do you think those Chatenooga Yeehaws are going to face off against the mighty Mississippi Zombies?"
"Well Kent, I thought we'd see some great playoffs from Felty McShane, a 4th generation Irish immigrant - and that's *real* Irish, mind you - who's got a point conversion average of 0.342 from left-footed passes this season but only a 0.311 from righties. If I had my way, I'd play the running man, smack a lighter on that tailpipe and floot the greebs until daddy hoops and hollers his caboose into shootin' touch"
"Couldn'ta said it better myself Bob."
"And he's off, the crowd's going wild! He's made 3 yards and he's down. But since the linebacker was stomping on the quaterback's turf, that's an extra 4000 points to the Yeehaws."
"And the Yeehaws have won!!!"
My 6 month old cousin makes more sense than your ridiculous games. Masses of points resting on a single play?
Can't you enjoy a game unless you have scores composed of some artificial, hugely-inflated numbers just to make what you're watching seem more exciting?
"And it's 4,820,392 to 4,101,523. That last score from halfway down the ground made all the difference!"
Utter bollocks.
-Nano.
Looks like I'm going to have to bite:
*(wake up, socialism does not work in the real world! It results in a crap economy, crap education, and crap health care, and eventually, pissed off citizens!)
As opposed to American capitalism which pisses off the citizens of many *other* nations around the world (but let's not forget McVeigh shall we) and results in 9/11...
Crap economy: Germany? Britain? we're certainly not as large as the USofA but we're definitely in the top 5 year in, year out. And you'd better watch out for that China, it's a doozy!
Crap education: Hmm...I won't even bother..."your country's to enforce it" hah! And in order to be a sovereign nation, you need a sovereign, but hey, who cares...
Crap healthcare: Whose country recently made a film called 'John Q' about a young boy unable to get a heart transplant because his HMO wouldn't pay? Whose country turfs patients out onto the street with chronic illnesses when their insurance runs dry? Where would you rather come down with HIV? The USA where your drug bill alone sets you back in the region of $7,000+ p.a. or Europe, where treatment's free at the point of service?
Your arrogant belief that 'because I'm fine, I don't care about anyone else' is precisely the insular, blinkered view America has of the world. Did you ever study citizenship? The rights of the state are accorded in response to the citizen assuming societal responsibilities - and the most important of those is the responsibility to your fellow citizen. What better way to show what a good American you are than by ignoring those who are most in need.
-Nano.
*MS is like the local drug dealer... gives you the good stuff quick, but just enough to get your addicted. Eventually you'll be paying the big bucks for it and you'll notice the damage only when it's too late.*
Sorry, but that piece of War-on-Drugs propaganda has been disproven many times over. Basically, why would a dealer, with no guarantee of continued custom, give away a free sample of a very expensive substance?
Don't use examples unless they're valid.
-Nano.
Actually, I think you'll find that a lot of American shows are based on older shows from the UK.
0 ,9 171,1107990308-21930,00.html
Although you have produced a couple of good ones in recent years (Friends before season 7...or maybe season 6; Scrubs) but nothing can match the pure hilarity of Channel 4's 'Teachers'.
I quote from www.time.com:
Generally, U.S. producers buy a British show's format and some story lines but not its scripts. Then, with big production budgets and highly paid writing teams, they start from scratch, creating an entirely American show with the kernel of an English idea.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/intl/article/
-Nano.
That's because all of these orbiting bits are travelling at around 18000 miles/hour just to stay up there (freefall and all that). Otherwise gravity would bring them homeward much sooner.
So imagine if you meet one of these bits that just happens to be orbiting in a different direction from yourself - about 36000 mph of impact energy pointed right at your shuttle window!
That's where the problem comes in, we ain't talking about 10 or even 100mph crashes but 40000mph crashes...serious stuff.
-Nano.
p.s. I know that mph is speed and not momentum but couldn't be bothered to make my piece physically accurate.
so 13 points to get my divx player working properly under linux vs. about 2 under windoze (sic)???
/dev/hda from /dev/null and who don't want to.
Yep, you've clearly won me over on the argument of ease-of-use and functionality.
Until arrogant linux users like yourself get off your high horse and try making the change from M$ easy for those of us who can't go through 13 steps instead of 2, then your user base simply isn't going to enlarge...and then you'll bitch that M$ is still gaining market share. Boo hoo.
1) Make it easy to use.
2) Make it pretty to use.
3) Don't condescend to people who want to use linux but can't tell a
-Nano.
So it looks like Osama actually defeated the American Way in the end...
Quite sad that the politicians can't see the hypocrisy.
-Nano.
Just to chip in on this little section of conversation:
My favourite two sf autors (who excel in both ideas and execution) are Frank Herbert (just finished collecting all his books! Any first-timer should read The Dosadi Experiment before Dune to get a better feel of Herbert's style) and Robert Heinlein (slightly odd, but well-written novels).
-Nano.
*sent to countries with more liberal laws regarding drugs or death penalty or copyright*
You mean like the rest of the Western World?
-Nano.
Offtopic, but...most of europe has age of consent below 17:
Austria: 14
Bosnia: 16
Bulgaria: 14
Croatia: 14
Czech Rep: 15
Denmark: 15
Finland: 16
France: 15
Germany: 14
Hungary: 14
Iceland: 14
Italy: 14
Ireland (Rep.): 17
Luxembourg: 16
Netherlands: 12
Norway: 16
Poland: 15
Portugal: 14
Romania: 14
Russia: 14
Serbia: 14
Sweden: 15
Switzerland: 16
UK: 16
Iraq and the US are some of the only countries with 18 as their age of consent.
Check it out: www.ageofconsent.com
Only the greatest fool would believe that to be valid legal advice.
And you obviously did.
-Nano.
I thought M$ bullshit excuse of 'oh look, we took out IE and it just doesn't work as well' had already been tried and rejected in an earlier court case? How can they bring up this as a new defense when it's already failed?
-Nano.
I just gotta say that when it came to transforming fighting planes, Wibarm rocked. I know it wasn't sierra but it was still damned cool.
-Nano.
America is unable to prevent thousands of kilos of heroin being smuggled in from outside despite billions of dollars pumped into border surveillance, intelligence and tracking.
Now imagine if China really wanted to destroy the US...smuggle in a few kilos of enriched uranium via the usual routes (hell, sniffer dogs can't detect it, and you could press it into thin wafers to look just like you're bringing home your CD collection from a recent trip to China so those X-ray boys won't notice a thing). Melt it down, make some bombs and then melt down some major cities.
So fuck you you short-sighted militaristic bastards. I've just defeated your multi-billion dollar SDI defense program with a good thought exercise, some good planning and some dedicated terrorists.
US & SDI: 0
Dedicated nuclear terrorists and suppliers: 60,000,000
You shouldn't still be using hockey sticks when the game changes to baseball.
And besides, those multi-billion dollars you spend on your defense programmes would be more efficient in preventing home casualties if they were invested in those nations that want to attack you at present.
9/11 didn't happen because of love.
-Nano.
Lithium is mainly used as a mood stabiliser in manic depressives (bipolar disorder)
It's a bit more likely that he'd be diagnosed with a delusional state and be put on some serious neuroleptics (antipsychotics) for his troubles.
This is not necessarily better than hard time - imagine living with drug-induced Parkinsonism for the rest of your life...nice!
-Nano.
Fighting terrorists....Hmm, you mean by:
1) Arming small 'friendly' nations to the teeth (like Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Indonesia, to mention a few)
2) Allow them to fight the war for you.
This is what George II recently revealed as his plan to fight the 'war on terrorism'. However, there are a couple of small drawbacks:
1) It's already been tried before (anyone remember the 'Cold War'?)
2) You dumbasses ended up putting groups into power like Saddam Hussein in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I mean, the US seems to have forgotten all it learned from Prohibitionism in the 1930s when it comes to its modern drug policy, but when it comes to *ignoring* what it did only 30 years ago when trying to formulate modern foreign policy to fight terrorist groups, that's just plain stupid!
Someone once said, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
-Nano.
You forgot the EVIL DRUG DEALERS and COMMUNISTS, but apart from that, you're right on track!
-Nano.
I've always been a strong believer that people with more money than sense deserve everything they get.
-Nano.
Disillusioned supporters?
There was only a 60% turnout at the last general election. Labour only won because of voter apathy (not that I would have voted for anyone else if I did bother, unfortunately)
Anyway, this is a M$ vs. Linux argument so I'm probably going to get an 'offtopic' for this.
Why do all the underrated replies come out just when I run out of mod points?
-Nano.
You mean like all those women who protested so that they could get the vote? They were breaking the law at the time.
So you mean that breaking the law and doing wrong aren't necessarily the same thing? Gee Bob.
-Nano.