9/11 is the anniversary of the discovery (by euros) of Mann. Island where the WTC buildings were.
Someone suggested in a joking way: what if it was Native Americans. WTC is a good target for someone getting back at you for trading your nations for beads.
--This isn't at all meant to be serious-or-even to make you think that it's true--
I just want people to open their minds to who could be responsible. I don't think Native Americans would do anything like this.
My money is on Bin Ladin [not the whole Arab community].
People that think Jews are the only target, or disliked by hardline Islamic (Madmen) are wrong.
Jihad is a holy war - Moselems against ANYONE.
Not every Moselems is going to be involved in such a jihad. But, when such a jihad is called only non Islamic peoples will be killed.
If you want to go back far enough in history, you will find the Arabs pushed someone
off their land or killed them to get it.
This what I posted ealier this week on/. and I was modded down to flamebait (and I think its been deleted). This is the nature of all men. BUT! Look, at one point the Ottomans ran it all. And this wasn't done peacefully.
Your comment is 100% true - there is no one that hasn't done anything - but the Islamic idealism is one that captivates the mind in such a way that these suicidal attacks are possible.
I'm guessing strong arm tatics are going to kill any chance of running X on my TV huh? We all know every major network/film studio/EVERYONE will have to work with the MS only set top box standard.
Please support the Linux project - I don't want to watch MSNBC all day!
Lets say you are developing an app that works with a certain set of data and it is stored one way.
With your new release (to 2.0, or whatever) that is a whole new work - you bundle tools to convert the old data.
MS does this with office, and people sometimes think its a pain, but I do not. If I'm getting a new version that (sometimes) works better, I don't mind running it through a filter - but make sure you don't make the mistake MS has made. Make sure this filter works.
If you're talking a new OS or other such projects - create data (read: settings) BACKUP tools. If you want the people to all migrate to this new OS, or large system application, give them a tool to backup those old settings and put the code right into you're new version to grab those old settings from the backup.
RIAA: All your rights after you bought this cd are belong to us.
Fahrenheit: Someone set us up the worst idea ever.
Consumer: Main screen turn on [then enter my SS#, then my DOB, then my mothers maiden name, then my biometric information]
RIAA Again: Gentelman... all your standards are belong to no one
-=Nothing useful to post, just want to let you know=-
Actually I 99.9% agree with the case against napster and I can't believe I'm downloading unsaid music videos now, but this is out of control.
Trying to kill the mp3 format because of P2P is like trying to kill.jpg because of pr0n pics are being traded.
Lets all switch to our own formats that only our own computers can read... fu** everyone! Like Bush said yesterday, scared people build walls, confident people tear them down [not his line, of course]
Once again.. my facts are moded as flamebait - yet someone calling me a hatemonger is modded up.
Nothing in that post isn't true! The whole damn article is a troll.
Somehow it's become a question of the middle east and not even the fact the FBI had a warrant.
I guess special rights should be given to Muslims and everytime one is pulled over for speeding its because we are an ally with Israel.
Simply put, Islamic nations don't like us! There has been attacks on our own soil by {{{RADICALS}}}
Bin Ladin? He's a radical - he's hit US targets overseas. He's got PGP, uses stego, he hates the USA.
I know half of this hate for the USA comes from our friends being Israel - but the rest comes from other areas!! USA sucks, they know it - and they want to take us down. There is a threat.
Even if we hated Israel next week, Islamic countries aren't going to be our friends. Part of this hate was started on behalf of Russians (DURING WWII, NOT AFTER) who saw the radicals as an easy way to hate us. Why do you think they own Migs?
When FDR, Churchhill and Stalin meet in Iran for a chat FDR suggested planting trees would help stop the landscape from eroding. This was taken as an insult!
Our cultures don't mix, they won't. They don't like us - the FBI saw a threat that we didn't see so they went in.
I guess it could be argued that God himself gave the land to the Jews... but we don't need to go there.
But please check your history books! Jews lived in the region before the Islamic religion ever took root!
The greeks ran the land, the romans ran the land - the whole time the Jews where the people who lived there. Most everyone ran the land besides Jews until after WWII.
So how is it the neighbors land? What about the crusades years later after romans and greeks ran the land? What about the ottoman empire? Wasn't there not a time Moselems owned just about everything from Turkey to Spain? Oh, there is mosques in Spain? Who built them??
Thats the problem - people only see back 50 years.
For years each religion (and some non believers) has gone in and taken this and that over! They killed many, many people in doing so. The handing the keys over of Palestine was one of the most non-violent transfers of ownership ever.
Read that book mentioned above, you will learn how things really go down and why. No one is innocent and I don't mean to give that impression at all.
Tell me one part of that post that is wrong?!? In retrospect I know that I phrased a few things wrong and I apologize. I have no comments there are lies though.
Yes they all have their nastier parts. The only one that doesn't is Christianity! No where in the actual beliefs does it say to hurt anyone... they just do it (a lot). The pope killed many peoples searching for the grail - crusades - Ireland... all of these things breach the faith. Although, Jesus said it's 'ok' to dislike the rich.
Jews thought that God was with them in battles against other cultures/religions and the Koran specifically points out that non-violence isn't the answer.
I am not a hate monger, and I really resent that. I do know that someone could take my post as saying 'those evil Moselems!' but I post this to urge people to not take it that way.
But! on the other hand Moselems are not the most innocent people that other posters would like you to believe. Yes! People kill each other - they always will. Moselems will kill Jews and the opposite.
It's completely ok for you to kill the other side in battle or over fundamentals. This will happen till we are all dead - there isn't much anyone can do about it.
**PS I CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE THAT MENTIONS JEWS OR MOSELEMS IN THE STORY ** THATS THE PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE STORY BEING ON SLASHDOT - THIS IS A USA PROBLEM!! PEOPLE TAKE IT AS A JEWISH BACKED SEARCH**
You don't get to pick which laws you want! There is ways to get something done. I smoked lots of pot, and the law is still on the books, just because I don't agree with the law doesn't make it go away.
Problem is, the S.Court hasn't repealed the law, and thats the only way it can be declared unconstitutional. A/. post doesn't do the trick.
Yes Palistine was a state, yes it was TAKEN from them for the jews. But why was that? Remember what happened to millions of jews before they officially set up the state of israel.
There were many Jews living in Palestine then, what bothers people is the transfer of ownership.
What people don't remember is for many years Isreal/Palestine and many other lands were taken by Moslems (ITS NOT MUSLIM OUTSIDE THE USA!!!) and retaken by Christians and yada yada yada.
The Moslems are not a kind bunch. What you have here isn't a Jewish/Moslem problem - it could potentially be a American problem.
I don't in any way mean to start a 'witch-hunt' as/. called it. Simply put - in the Islamic religion there a word called jihad... we've all heard that once or twice. It means holy war. If you believe that Jews are the only ones disliked by the Moslems, you are sadly mistaken.
To all Moslems there is a Islamic world and a non-Islamic world. The goal (in present time, radicals) of every Islamic person is to destroy the 'Evil' non-Islamic world.
Really read up before you echo past postings.
The Jews/Israel has nothing to do with this whole story. USA is the great Satan, not because of religios reasons, mainly because of our lack of morals. We don't enforce morals on a national level. What is going on in the middle east doesn't have much to do with the disdain Moslems hold with the USA - although it is part. [ps: One Moselem goal/belief is to simply take over all the land/riches for their own (although live poor?!) but America is also in that business, or we try to be]
In Howard Bloom's book "The Lucifer Principle"** there is a passage about how Bishop Desmond TuTu (sp) was speaking in front of an Islamic group and the crowd held signs that read: "On Saturday we'll kill the Jews and on Sunday we'll kill the Christians!" (Sat & Sun is the 'sabbath' dates)
Once again, this isn't a post saying... 'let's kill the Moselems!' or even violate their rights. There isn't a YRO story here. This isn't DeCSS site:(which is illegal no matter which way you slice it don't forget)
This is a story which involved computers and servers so/. knowingly put it up because all the anti-Israel posts. You have rights, so does the government - if they have cause they can get a warrant and get you.
**The Lucifer Principle is a great book that speaks on history and how simple ideas have changed it course. I'd recommed it to anyone who watches politics (and the phuckers in it) closely. There is many stories about Moselems but there is fairly stories about vary many cultures and religions. The Moselems are a good example of how an idea can get so much power, because its a great idea! I applaud the Moselems because the ability to control its followers so well. Get it from the library (sorry no gutenberg texts) or amazon.com - great read - reads like a awsome story. Sagan-esqe writing.
Although you fail to see mine. Patents aren't bad in my book, greed is.
Would you say that patent-protected inventions from major corporations or from Joe Six-pack have contributed more and more often to the world's well-being?
Before you answer, think carefully about things that require large capital investment, like health care advances in instrumentation and pharmacology, manufacturing processes, and RSA encryption.
You seem to miss that little peoples patents got us to where we are today. Nothing is built all on its own.
The patents that require large capital investments usually screw over Joe Sixpack when he goes (on click/TV/Car) shopping, needs surgury, or wants secure e-mail.
Can't someone easily prevent their site from being indexed by using a empty file named robots.txt ?
Many sites do this simply to get you to search from their site.
Altalavista and Google (as I now notice) both make you visit the site to get to the pictures. Chances are if you are complaining about someone stealing your pics - you are getting them with banner ad views.
I know i've put a pic here and there on the net, my own works (mostly) but I would notice someone trying to pass off my work as their own. If the concern is over pr0n whats the point; your pics are already on alt.binaries.great.ass.paulina or other such newsgroup. Pr0n pics are traded over IRC, Kazaa, Gnutella, what ever.
If someone has downloaded your company logo... whats the fuss? Either they are making a desktop background or something and if you still don't like that... sue them! Not the search engine!
I have a Athlon boot screen for winblows 98 and I bet I broke a copyright law while making it! But why would AMD even think of getting mad when I'm advertising for them??
If someone is editing your logo and putting sucks under it or some such thing... you probably do suck but have no time to sue anyone because you're doing The Next Horrible ThingTM.
Case closed. People wanted publicity... don't give it to them. They just use the word Napster to get attention from John and Sally Newbite.
But now patents are good, we get to see the little guy win (hopefully).
I don't agree with most people on/. about IP.
I always believed it was for Joe Sixpack who comes up with great idea X and while pitching it to company Y they steal X and sell his idea.
But I do agree crazy patents on things like the question mark (LOL!! austi... fu'k it) where company Y is going to sue the pants off Joe Sixpack are wrong.
But this case hopefully will make a lot of/.ers realize that if they ever come up with a great idea it can be protected from Sony, MS, Amazon etc because of the patent system.
It's not going to go away. And people like Alan Parsons are happy because of that.
No one wants to be raped, 'cept coyboy neal or cmdr fur taco - but they don't count as people. I patented them six months ago.....
As I said in an earlier post on a different topic - the USA will be the first to award patents for breathing in thorough your nose and out through your mouth.
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Believe it or not, something in or around that POS you call a PC was made either by HP or they did all the research.
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This is the funniest shit I've ever read on/.
Because you hit every nail on the head.
This is going on a CD-R in my basement (and one at the bank)
Letting the market decide makes no sense. The market has decided. m$ because its pretty and closed can charge our gov't and school, and what not an arm and a leg. But it's not just m$ - Bill has donated LOTS of $$ to schools - it's not that they don't care. Even macs I believe are a waste.
With linux you can turn those last year's PC's into a whole new machine. That alone would save YOU and me a fortune.
The schools don't get a choice - we fund them!
Even Mandrake out of the box would be secure enough to keep the kids from accessing the things you don't want them to! The people who are installing windoze on these machines aren't stupid. They can log onto irc like anyone else and learn how to chown binaries!
Now about the educational value. With an OS like linux (or *BSD) the kids will learn about the ins and outs of computers. There is more to a computer than that kewl gui. Programming, hardware, the RIGHT configuration, more. With windows (or mac, i guess) you don't even get to see these things. You see the start menu and what ever shareware/proprietary app they stick in front of you.
These things can be taught on windows, but there are more than likely not being used/taught in the real form. Visual C++ doesn't count, its not real C++ is it?
Slashdot Mirror
there is.... do a google search
IF [if] this is an attack by taliban states one way of stopping further communications would be to stop the flow of traffic
let's focus on the task at hand....
DoS attacking taliban sites
9/11 is the anniversary of the discovery (by euros) of Mann. Island where the WTC buildings were.
Someone suggested in a joking way: what if it was Native Americans. WTC is a good target for someone getting back at you for trading your nations for beads.
--This isn't at all meant to be serious-or-even to make you think that it's true--
I just want people to open their minds to who could be responsible. I don't think Native Americans would do anything like this.
My money is on Bin Ladin [not the whole Arab community].
VIDEOS AT THIS SITE
The major news broadcasters have agreed to share footage - so I believe it's ok.
I'll upload any video I get to THIS SITE .
Some are from sites above - either way, check them out. I think it's important to get this on CD or other such backup.
This FTP is in cincinnati ohio - so don't expect good speeds from the west coast.
My prayers still go out to everyone.
1609 Henry Hudson discovers Manhattan island
People that think Jews are the only target, or disliked by hardline Islamic (Madmen) are wrong.
Jihad is a holy war - Moselems against ANYONE.
Not every Moselems is going to be involved in such a jihad. But, when such a jihad is called only non Islamic peoples will be killed.
This what I posted ealier this week on /. and I was modded down to flamebait (and I think its been deleted). This is the nature of all men. BUT! Look, at one point the Ottomans ran it all. And this wasn't done peacefully.
Your comment is 100% true - there is no one that hasn't done anything - but the Islamic idealism is one that captivates the mind in such a way that these suicidal attacks are possible.
Guns don't kill people - idealism kills people.
This was a story in PC Gamer a year ago.
I'm guessing strong arm tatics are going to kill any chance of running X on my TV huh? We all know every major network/film studio/EVERYONE will have to work with the MS only set top box standard.
Please support the Linux project - I don't want to watch MSNBC all day!
Lets say you are developing an app that works with a certain set of data and it is stored one way.
With your new release (to 2.0, or whatever) that is a whole new work - you bundle tools to convert the old data.
MS does this with office, and people sometimes think its a pain, but I do not. If I'm getting a new version that (sometimes) works better, I don't mind running it through a filter - but make sure you don't make the mistake MS has made. Make sure this filter works.
If you're talking a new OS or other such projects - create data (read: settings) BACKUP tools. If you want the people to all migrate to this new OS, or large system application, give them a tool to backup those old settings and put the code right into you're new version to grab those old settings from the backup.
Thats all we want!
We are all saying that the disc wasn't labeled correctly to show the end user that it was fu**ed, but what about the Audio Compact Disc Label?
The label that all CDs carry if they are using the standard shouldn't be on this disc.
This isn't an audio CD if it doesn't play in my car, dvd player, sega dreamcast, etc.
So, does it have that label? And if it does can't philips (or sony?) sue them?
RIAA: All your rights after you bought this cd are belong to us.
.jpg because of pr0n pics are being traded.
Fahrenheit: Someone set us up the worst idea ever.
Consumer: Main screen turn on [then enter my SS#, then my DOB, then my mothers maiden name, then my biometric information]
RIAA Again: Gentelman... all your standards are belong to no one
-=Nothing useful to post, just want to let you know=-
Actually I 99.9% agree with the case against napster and I can't believe I'm downloading unsaid music videos now, but this is out of control.
Trying to kill the mp3 format because of P2P is like trying to kill
Lets all switch to our own formats that only our own computers can read... fu** everyone! Like Bush said yesterday, scared people build walls, confident people tear them down [not his line, of course]
Once again.. my facts are moded as flamebait - yet someone calling me a hatemonger is modded up.
Nothing in that post isn't true! The whole damn article is a troll.
Somehow it's become a question of the middle east and not even the fact the FBI had a warrant.
I guess special rights should be given to Muslims and everytime one is pulled over for speeding its because we are an ally with Israel.
Simply put, Islamic nations don't like us! There has been attacks on our own soil by {{{RADICALS}}}
Bin Ladin? He's a radical - he's hit US targets overseas. He's got PGP, uses stego, he hates the USA.
I know half of this hate for the USA comes from our friends being Israel - but the rest comes from other areas!! USA sucks, they know it - and they want to take us down. There is a threat.
Even if we hated Israel next week, Islamic countries aren't going to be our friends. Part of this hate was started on behalf of Russians (DURING WWII, NOT AFTER) who saw the radicals as an easy way to hate us. Why do you think they own Migs?
When FDR, Churchhill and Stalin meet in Iran for a chat FDR suggested planting trees would help stop the landscape from eroding. This was taken as an insult!
Our cultures don't mix, they won't. They don't like us - the FBI saw a threat that we didn't see so they went in.
This has 0 to do with religion or the Mid-east.
The hosts being shut down was a side-effect.
The raid wasn't on the sites... anyone can access their site.
The raid was on the computers.
I've read many pages on both sites talking linux this, and linux that - even guides to install linux on your armada 7400 series!
Maybe we can hope for a strong distro coming out of this that will rival windows. The time has come people!
Redhat 7.x and Mandrake 7.x-8.x are simple enough to install and even easier to use!
HPaq... give us a distro! Give us a linux CD with that shiny new PC.
I guess it could be argued that God himself gave the land to the Jews... but we don't need to go there.
But please check your history books! Jews lived in the region before the Islamic religion ever took root!
The greeks ran the land, the romans ran the land - the whole time the Jews where the people who lived there. Most everyone ran the land besides Jews until after WWII.
So how is it the neighbors land? What about the crusades years later after romans and greeks ran the land? What about the ottoman empire? Wasn't there not a time Moselems owned just about everything from Turkey to Spain? Oh, there is mosques in Spain? Who built them??
Thats the problem - people only see back 50 years.
For years each religion (and some non believers) has gone in and taken this and that over! They killed many, many people in doing so. The handing the keys over of Palestine was one of the most non-violent transfers of ownership ever.
Read that book mentioned above, you will learn how things really go down and why. No one is innocent and I don't mean to give that impression at all.
Tell me one part of that post that is wrong?!? In retrospect I know that I phrased a few things wrong and I apologize. I have no comments there are lies though.
Yes they all have their nastier parts. The only one that doesn't is Christianity! No where in the actual beliefs does it say to hurt anyone... they just do it (a lot). The pope killed many peoples searching for the grail - crusades - Ireland... all of these things breach the faith. Although, Jesus said it's 'ok' to dislike the rich.
Jews thought that God was with them in battles against other cultures/religions and the Koran specifically points out that non-violence isn't the answer.
I am not a hate monger, and I really resent that. I do know that someone could take my post as saying 'those evil Moselems!' but I post this to urge people to not take it that way.
But! on the other hand Moselems are not the most innocent people that other posters would like you to believe. Yes! People kill each other - they always will. Moselems will kill Jews and the opposite.
It's completely ok for you to kill the other side in battle or over fundamentals. This will happen till we are all dead - there isn't much anyone can do about it.
**PS I CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE THAT MENTIONS JEWS OR MOSELEMS IN THE STORY ** THATS THE PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE STORY BEING ON SLASHDOT - THIS IS A USA PROBLEM!! PEOPLE TAKE IT AS A JEWISH BACKED SEARCH**
Rrrgghh
/. post doesn't do the trick.
You don't get to pick which laws you want! There is ways to get something done. I smoked lots of pot, and the law is still on the books, just because I don't agree with the law doesn't make it go away.
Problem is, the S.Court hasn't repealed the law, and thats the only way it can be declared unconstitutional. A
IANAL... so i guess so.
walmartsucks.com is legal.
Trademarks being edited may not?!?!
LOL@ Parent (mod me up man!)
/. called it. Simply put - in the Islamic religion there a word called jihad... we've all heard that once or twice. It means holy war. If you believe that Jews are the only ones disliked by the Moslems, you are sadly mistaken.
/. knowingly put it up because all the anti-Israel posts. You have rights, so does the government - if they have cause they can get a warrant and get you.
This was the post I was waiting to respond to.
Yes Palistine was a state, yes it was TAKEN from them for the jews. But why was that? Remember what happened to millions of jews before they officially set up the state of israel.
There were many Jews living in Palestine then, what bothers people is the transfer of ownership.
What people don't remember is for many years Isreal/Palestine and many other lands were taken by Moslems (ITS NOT MUSLIM OUTSIDE THE USA!!!) and retaken by Christians and yada yada yada.
The Moslems are not a kind bunch. What you have here isn't a Jewish/Moslem problem - it could potentially be a American problem.
I don't in any way mean to start a 'witch-hunt' as
To all Moslems there is a Islamic world and a non-Islamic world. The goal (in present time, radicals) of every Islamic person is to destroy the 'Evil' non-Islamic world.
Really read up before you echo past postings.
The Jews/Israel has nothing to do with this whole story. USA is the great Satan, not because of religios reasons, mainly because of our lack of morals. We don't enforce morals on a national level. What is going on in the middle east doesn't have much to do with the disdain Moslems hold with the USA - although it is part. [ps: One Moselem goal/belief is to simply take over all the land/riches for their own (although live poor?!) but America is also in that business, or we try to be]
In Howard Bloom's book "The Lucifer Principle"** there is a passage about how Bishop Desmond TuTu (sp) was speaking in front of an Islamic group and the crowd held signs that read: "On Saturday we'll kill the Jews and on Sunday we'll kill the Christians!" (Sat & Sun is the 'sabbath' dates)
Once again, this isn't a post saying... 'let's kill the Moselems!' or even violate their rights. There isn't a YRO story here. This isn't DeCSS site:(which is illegal no matter which way you slice it don't forget)
This is a story which involved computers and servers so
**The Lucifer Principle is a great book that speaks on history and how simple ideas have changed it course. I'd recommed it to anyone who watches politics (and the phuckers in it) closely. There is many stories about Moselems but there is fairly stories about vary many cultures and religions. The Moselems are a good example of how an idea can get so much power, because its a great idea! I applaud the Moselems because the ability to control its followers so well. Get it from the library (sorry no gutenberg texts) or amazon.com - great read - reads like a awsome story. Sagan-esqe writing.
Although you fail to see mine. Patents aren't bad in my book, greed is.
You seem to miss that little peoples patents got us to where we are today. Nothing is built all on its own.
The patents that require large capital investments usually screw over Joe Sixpack when he goes (on click/TV/Car) shopping, needs surgury, or wants secure e-mail.
Phil Zimmerman!!!
Can't someone easily prevent their site from being indexed by using a empty file named robots.txt ?
Many sites do this simply to get you to search from their site.
Altalavista and Google (as I now notice) both make you visit the site to get to the pictures. Chances are if you are complaining about someone stealing your pics - you are getting them with banner ad views.
I know i've put a pic here and there on the net, my own works (mostly) but I would notice someone trying to pass off my work as their own. If the concern is over pr0n whats the point; your pics are already on alt.binaries.great.ass.paulina or other such newsgroup. Pr0n pics are traded over IRC, Kazaa, Gnutella, what ever.
If someone has downloaded your company logo... whats the fuss? Either they are making a desktop background or something and if you still don't like that... sue them! Not the search engine!
I have a Athlon boot screen for winblows 98 and I bet I broke a copyright law while making it! But why would AMD even think of getting mad when I'm advertising for them??
If someone is editing your logo and putting sucks under it or some such thing... you probably do suck but have no time to sue anyone because you're doing The Next Horrible ThingTM.
Case closed. People wanted publicity... don't give it to them. They just use the word Napster to get attention from John and Sally Newbite.
But now patents are good, we get to see the little guy win (hopefully).
/. about IP.
/.ers realize that if they ever come up with a great idea it can be protected from Sony, MS, Amazon etc because of the patent system.
I don't agree with most people on
I always believed it was for Joe Sixpack who comes up with great idea X and while pitching it to company Y they steal X and sell his idea.
But I do agree crazy patents on things like the question mark (LOL!! austi... fu'k it) where company Y is going to sue the pants off Joe Sixpack are wrong.
But this case hopefully will make a lot of
It's not going to go away. And people like Alan Parsons are happy because of that.
No one wants to be raped, 'cept coyboy neal or cmdr fur taco - but they don't count as people. I patented them six months ago.....
As I said in an earlier post on a different topic - the USA will be the first to award patents for breathing in thorough your nose and out through your mouth.
You are an HP client!
Believe it or not, something in or around that POS you call a PC was made either by HP or they did all the research.
Thank you
/.
This is the funniest shit I've ever read on
Because you hit every nail on the head.
This is going on a CD-R in my basement (and one at the bank)
Yes I would be the first to sign up!
Letting the market decide makes no sense. The market has decided. m$ because its pretty and closed can charge our gov't and school, and what not an arm and a leg. But it's not just m$ - Bill has donated LOTS of $$ to schools - it's not that they don't care. Even macs I believe are a waste.
With linux you can turn those last year's PC's into a whole new machine. That alone would save YOU and me a fortune.
The schools don't get a choice - we fund them!
Even Mandrake out of the box would be secure enough to keep the kids from accessing the things you don't want them to! The people who are installing windoze on these machines aren't stupid. They can log onto irc like anyone else and learn how to chown binaries!
Now about the educational value. With an OS like linux (or *BSD) the kids will learn about the ins and outs of computers. There is more to a computer than that kewl gui. Programming, hardware, the RIGHT configuration, more. With windows (or mac, i guess) you don't even get to see these things. You see the start menu and what ever shareware/proprietary app they stick in front of you.
These things can be taught on windows, but there are more than likely not being used/taught in the real form. Visual C++ doesn't count, its not real C++ is it?