That's ok though, each team: Scaled, Armadillo, XCor, DaVinci, etc. is approaching things differently, so who knows we might end up with a heterogenous and competitive rocket industry.
And that should be the point. If the Rutan/Scaled team achieve their goal, that doesn't mean the other teams should roll up their tents and go home. The real goal is a vital, innovative rocket industry that pushes the boundaries for future space travel. It would be great to see every team achieve the 100 km goal, no matter who does it first or even last.
This report seems to corroborate what you're saying, although its language is contradictory. Beyond the somewhat misleading headline, "EVMs make rigging easier," the body of the article finally says that stuffing ballot boxes is made more difficult, since only one person can cast one ballot at one time. Sure, one guy can leave, change his shirt and come back, claim another residence, and vote again. But to do it many times with hundreds of people is logistically improbable, thus narrowing the options for ballot-rigging.
I can imagine a lot of spammers are probably already generating lists of probable Gmail usernames for their next "shipments." They probably can't wait until the big rollout date.
A lot has been made of Gmail's e-mail scanning function, but if it could also be used to filter out spam... reliably... and kill it before it gets to the inbox, Gmail would have many happy users.
... so he had to get a jet engine guy to build him a rocket engine that was so underpowered that he needed 30 of them on the first stage...
And how is it that the Russians who couldn't get a successful N-1 launch were able to get (I believe) 2 successful Energia launches without any failures.
IIRC, the major problem the Soviets had with the N-1 was getting their large number of rocket engines in the first stage to basically sing the same note long enough to safely transition to the second stage. In short, the thing was just way too complicated to ever fly efficiently and reliably.
Interestingly enough, the early Saturn V had pretty much the same problem. Its F-1 engines suffered from combustion instability (a problem dating back to rocketry's earliest days), which led to unreliable performance and would have led to an in-flight accident. The Saturn's advantage was that it had just five first-stage engines to synchronize together. Once the F-1 was made more efficient, the Saturn V's first stage was a success. It was a monumental engineering feat of its own -- I recommend Apollo: The Race to the Moon by Charles Murray and Catherine Bly Cox for a great description of that process.
The Energia was successful because it was a much simpler design than the N-1. In the Buran configuration it had just two strap-on boosters. However, the Soviets never really had a mission for it outside of the Buran project, and when Buran was scrapped, so too, unfortunately, was Energia. Kind of sad, really, but it's hard to justify a heavy-lift booster when there's no mission or market to support it for the time being. We'll just have to wait and see if a manned Mars project is allowed to go forward before resurrecting a heavy-lift capability.
In about 1998 or 1999, Gibson gave his blessing to a young artist, who was apparently a one-time assistant to Stanley Kubrick, to make Neuromancer into a movie. His name escapes me. Nothing's come of it, and literally no word of that project has been made since.
Personally, I'm getting to doubt Neuromancer should even be attempted in live action filming. Good examples of cyberpunk are very rare... Blade Runner (which practically defines the genre by itself), The Terminator, and the original Matrix are three examples... and the genre's all but dead already. If Neuromancer is ever done, I think it should probably be done in anime... something so audaciously ambitious it would surpass Katsuhiro Otomo's classic Akira. Get enough backing, the right artists and the right actors to voice the characters, and it could really work.
As it is now, I fear the spirit of a Neuromancer movie will turn out to be closer to Johnny Mnemonic than Blade Runner. In that case it would be better not to film it at all.
This site has a description of a Mars clock built by Ralph B. Mentzer of the Hamilton Watch Company, ca. 1954.
It's a fascinating timepiece, with a 16-inch diameter, a 24-hour face and almost 400 working parts. It could even keep track of the difference in calendar measurements between earth and Mars.
However, apparently only two of these clocks were ever built. One is at the Smithsonian Institution and the other resides at the National Watch and Clock Museum (and the clock seems to be visible on this page).
My very first exposure to a "computer" was with Bell Labs' CARDIAC in the early 1970s. This was an instructional tool designed to teach young people (ages 12 and up, I suppose) the fundamentals of computing using cardboard sliders to simulate operations. It was a gift from my uncle, who later worked on software development for the space shuttle, so he really knew where computing was headed.
However, I wasn't even 7 years old at that time, so imagine how weird and scary this was to a kid who hadn't learned his times tables yet! Predictably, I never touched a real computer until more than a decade after that vaguely traumatic experience.
I still remember the CARDIAC with the appropriate awe, nevertheless.
Tom Clancy used to be a master of the "techno thriller," a genre he arguably created (if you ignore Forsyth, Ludlum, etc.). His characters were a bit wooden but the plots crackled with action and authenticity, and his morality was predictable but not preachy. His character Jack Ryan started out as a pretty regular, commonsense guy, but his importance became increasingly inflated as Clancy's fame and fortune grew. In recent tomes Clancy's become increasingly verbose and much more willing to espouse his extremist political agenda.
Now the Ryan character is the former U.S. president, and "The Teeth of the Tiger" attempts to catapult Ryan's teenage son Jack Jr. to do the world's work. Sad to report that this is Clancy's worst book yet, and it's a shadow of the brilliance he showed with "The Hunt for Red October."
Too bad Clancy suffers from "successful writer syndrome" (he's too powerful for editors to get through to him) and it now appears that he's relying on ghostwriters to finish his works. It seems he's so rich that nowadays he's got better things to do with his time and money than do what he's best at.
If you want a really good belly laugh, go read the often hilarious reviews of The Teeth of the Tiger on Amazon. They're a lot more enjoyable than the book itself.
You can't shred a classified document. It has to be "declassified" and then you can destroy it. My mom used to do it as a summer job for the Navy. Basically you stamp it "declassified" with a rubber stamp first.
Sorry, you're making a blanket statement and it isn't always true. I've worked for a government contractor and have legally shredded hundreds, if not thousands of classified documents as a matter of course. Classified documents are routinely destroyed without needing declassification beforehand.
Declassification may be customary or even required before document destruction in some institutions, but this isn't standard operating procedure everywhere.
Documents are often left declassified for a period of time before destruction (i.e. months or years). In your example, the simple fact that those documents were declassified is more important than their destruction.
That's one of the reasons the military and (some) government agencies have adopted standarized protocols to deal with this kind of stuff and generally are quick to reprimand those who violate policy.
Many security problems these days have to do with the fact that people for some reason refuse to apply common sense -- requiring people to wear ID tags at all times and conducting thorough background checks is not going to do any good if you just dispose of confidential documents into some backyard alley dumpster.
This is true. Many government contractors who handle classified work use certified shredding companies to handle large-scale document destruction (usually those too time consuming for employees to perform in-house).
Employees/drivers of those shredding companies have to be background-checked for the appropriate security level before they're allowed to handle classified material. The security issues involved are fairly analogous to handling money for an armored car company... background checks, rigid documentation, time sensitivity, regular performance reviews, etc.
The best book-to-movie conversion I've ever seen is Fred Zinnemann's "The Day of the Jackal." The film and Frederick Forsyth's novel are both outstanding and equal in almost every way.
Save your money and wait for private enterprise to catch up. It may not be that far away.
With the good news that Scaled Composites' SpaceShipOne flew beyond the speed of sound yesterday, affordable space tourism may be possible within our lifetimes. Granted, Scaled may yet have quite a long way to go to reach space, but they made a leap in the right direction on an historic day. My money's on Burt Rutan and his team to take the X-Prize (but I'd have said that before yesterday).
So if you're say, under 40, there's a good chance you could be able to visit space before your 60th birthday. So be patient. It won't be a seller's market forever.
The biggest problem is that MS changes the file formats.
Your a small business and run Win98 machines with Office 97. Good enough you would say. That is until your largest customer is sending you files done in Office XP and you can't open them. The short term answer is to call them up and ask them to save it in an older format. Boy does that make you look like a shabby outfit. The other solution is to go out and upgrade the Office suite. Which may requrire you to upgrade the OS. Of course now you are running XP on a 200 MHZ PII and it runs like crap.
I think as a home user you can get away with an older OS but it is difficult to as a business.
It's not just home users and small businesses. It's also big businesses continually running in the margins of their IT budgets.
Until this year I had a web programming job at a Fortune 100 company. I had two computers in my cubicle. One of them was a 400 mhz PIII with 64 MB of RAM. The other was a 166 mhz PII running Windows NT on 32 MB of RAM. The fastest computer in our division topped out at about 1 Ghz with 128 MB RAM.
My boss instructed me to install and run Win2k Pro and Office2k Pro on the PIII. I said, "Win2k won't run properly on 64 MB [RAM]." He said yes it would, and I gamely complied. Let's just say the box struggled like Sisyphus afterward. Meanwhile our computer shop was fielding trouble calls all day, every day from users with performance problems, so getting even one extra stick of RAM was an exercise in futility. Eventually it took eight minutes to cycle that box through a reboot before I reluctantly reinstalled the OS.
Still and all, here we were keeping up with the Joneses by getting the latest and greatest (read: bigger and slower) OS and apps, without upgrading any of the hardware to match (on a limited budget). We were running old and new computers with old and new OSes and apps, with shared work bouncing back and forth.
So inevitably, there were complaints from within the division about the inconsistent formatting of shared files. Only then did someone wonder about the future of thousands of Office 97 generation documents, many of which were "live" documents, and the potential chaos of moving them to late-generation formatting. Add to that the dozens of sub-300 mhz computers threatened with orphanage because they won't run the new stuff (cue Sisyphus reference).
The only rational solution was to save every document in an earlier generation format for the short term, so that those employees seeing documents in earlier applications on slower computers could still work with them. No one had the time to truly think long-term.
Contrary to what a certain company wants us to believe, backward compatibility is increasingly important in a world where documents are generated and seen on a multitude of platforms and applications. It's becoming more difficult to require users to "embrace and extend" when each new product alienates the standards of generations before it, a little at a time.
If you're not sure who will read your document, don't expect them to comply with a closed format when you can format your documents more openly.
This happens to be an article on the front page of the Business/Technology section in Friday's Washington Post.
CowboyNeal's writeup, in which he uses the words "not sanctioned," is quoted directly from the article. The Post's paragraph states:
Massachusetts-based AtStakeInc., a computer security firm, said yesterday that chief technology officer Daniel R. Geer is "no longer associated" with the firm. A company statement added that Geer's participation in preparation of the report was not sanctioned by the firm, and that "the values and opinions of the report are not in line with @stake's views."
Please read the goddamn article before shooting the messenger. Thank you.
I can speak from my own personal experience as context here. I basically abandoned cursive handwriting when I was 14, because my handwriting sucked and my block-letter printing looked a lot better than my handwriting (I even took a year of architecture classes in high school and nearly took it as my college major, because my lettering and drawing were so precise).
Twenty-three years later, my handwriting still looks like an 8th grader. I've made two attempts in the past to recover and improve my handwriting skills, but with little progress to show for it. As an adult, I just did not have the patience to drill myself day after day with the kinds of handwriting exercises necessary to make progress. So I still hand-print everything, even my checks. The only thing I handwrite now is my signature. I'm not proud of it.
I'm not a parent yet, but I hope to make sure my children don't follow the bad habits I fell into when I was young (and no, I'm not blaming my parents, either -- I consider it my fault alone). I think there's a good reason our teachers taught us handwriting early in school, but I took it a bit for granted.
... but it also doesn't have to be opened, because it uses an IE exploit to run itself as soon as it shows up in Outlook's preview window.
Correct.
Outlook virii/worms have been with us for a painfully long time now, and yet a bunch of people are still clueless about what Outlook's preview window does. It OPENS and then it PREVIEWS. As in RUN. As in EXECUTE.
Turn OFF the Outlook preview window, people.
Or even better -- STOP using Outlook/IE altogether.
I actually use Mozilla for my online banking. Maybe I'm fortunate (not to mention thankful) that my credit union's site isn't IE-exclusive. Do I trust Mozilla's secure browsing capability? So far I have no reason not to. I know a lot of people can't do their online banking without IE, and I feel their pain. But I hope there's a growing number of web developers out there (I'm one of them) who realize that online transaction security doesn't need IE to fulfill their requirements. Personally, I think it's too late for MS to try to shut out all users of alternative products. Nowadays when Redmond's imperial march music plays, not everyone is in lockstep. And that's A Good Thing.
"We became the first two people to know the speed of gravity, one of the fundamental constants of nature," the scientists say, in an article in New Scientist print edition. One important consequence of the result is that it places constraints on theories of "brane worlds", which suggest the Universe has more spatial dimensions than the familiar three.
Three...!?
Aren't they forgetting? Professor Toichi Hikita and Dr. Emilio Lizardo already discovered the EIGHTH Dimension....in the 1930s!
Astronomers have discovered two new specks of Jovian dust, JM20022812174130 and JM20022812174130A, which are Jupiter's 84,519,786,014th and 84,519,786,015th moons, respectively.
Scientists are now beginning the process of officially naming the two new worlds. This is expected to pass through several committees before signature in March 2007.
With the discovery, Jupiter is now 3,845,108,491 moons ahead of closest rival Saturn in the race for biggest posse in the solar system.
Slashdot Mirror
That's ok though, each team: Scaled, Armadillo, XCor, DaVinci, etc. is approaching things differently, so who knows we might end up with a heterogenous and competitive rocket industry.
And that should be the point. If the Rutan/Scaled team achieve their goal, that doesn't mean the other teams should roll up their tents and go home. The real goal is a vital, innovative rocket industry that pushes the boundaries for future space travel. It would be great to see every team achieve the 100 km goal, no matter who does it first or even last.
Actually no... u cant change ur shirt and walk back in to vote again.
... no opinion meant.
Just relating what was said in the article
This report seems to corroborate what you're saying, although its language is contradictory. Beyond the somewhat misleading headline, "EVMs make rigging easier," the body of the article finally says that stuffing ballot boxes is made more difficult, since only one person can cast one ballot at one time. Sure, one guy can leave, change his shirt and come back, claim another residence, and vote again. But to do it many times with hundreds of people is logistically improbable, thus narrowing the options for ballot-rigging.
I can imagine a lot of spammers are probably already generating lists of probable Gmail usernames for their next "shipments." They probably can't wait until the big rollout date.
... reliably ... and kill it before it gets to the inbox, Gmail would have many happy users.
A lot has been made of Gmail's e-mail scanning function, but if it could also be used to filter out spam
IIRC, the major problem the Soviets had with the N-1 was getting their large number of rocket engines in the first stage to basically sing the same note long enough to safely transition to the second stage. In short, the thing was just way too complicated to ever fly efficiently and reliably.
Interestingly enough, the early Saturn V had pretty much the same problem. Its F-1 engines suffered from combustion instability (a problem dating back to rocketry's earliest days), which led to unreliable performance and would have led to an in-flight accident. The Saturn's advantage was that it had just five first-stage engines to synchronize together. Once the F-1 was made more efficient, the Saturn V's first stage was a success. It was a monumental engineering feat of its own -- I recommend Apollo: The Race to the Moon by Charles Murray and Catherine Bly Cox for a great description of that process.
The Energia was successful because it was a much simpler design than the N-1. In the Buran configuration it had just two strap-on boosters. However, the Soviets never really had a mission for it outside of the Buran project, and when Buran was scrapped, so too, unfortunately, was Energia. Kind of sad, really, but it's hard to justify a heavy-lift booster when there's no mission or market to support it for the time being. We'll just have to wait and see if a manned Mars project is allowed to go forward before resurrecting a heavy-lift capability.
Dear Mr. McBride:
I am a Linux user.
In about 1998 or 1999, Gibson gave his blessing to a young artist, who was apparently a one-time assistant to Stanley Kubrick, to make Neuromancer into a movie. His name escapes me. Nothing's come of it, and literally no word of that project has been made since.
... Blade Runner (which practically defines the genre by itself), The Terminator, and the original Matrix are three examples ... and the genre's all but dead already. If Neuromancer is ever done, I think it should probably be done in anime ... something so audaciously ambitious it would surpass Katsuhiro Otomo's classic Akira. Get enough backing, the right artists and the right actors to voice the characters, and it could really work.
Personally, I'm getting to doubt Neuromancer should even be attempted in live action filming. Good examples of cyberpunk are very rare
As it is now, I fear the spirit of a Neuromancer movie will turn out to be closer to Johnny Mnemonic than Blade Runner. In that case it would be better not to film it at all.
This site has a description of a Mars clock built by Ralph B. Mentzer of the Hamilton Watch Company, ca. 1954.
It's a fascinating timepiece, with a 16-inch diameter, a 24-hour face and almost 400 working parts. It could even keep track of the difference in calendar measurements between earth and Mars.
However, apparently only two of these clocks were ever built. One is at the Smithsonian Institution and the other resides at the National Watch and Clock Museum (and the clock seems to be visible on this page).
My very first exposure to a "computer" was with Bell Labs' CARDIAC in the early 1970s. This was an instructional tool designed to teach young people (ages 12 and up, I suppose) the fundamentals of computing using cardboard sliders to simulate operations. It was a gift from my uncle, who later worked on software development for the space shuttle, so he really knew where computing was headed.
However, I wasn't even 7 years old at that time, so imagine how weird and scary this was to a kid who hadn't learned his times tables yet! Predictably, I never touched a real computer until more than a decade after that vaguely traumatic experience.
I still remember the CARDIAC with the appropriate awe, nevertheless.
Tom Clancy used to be a master of the "techno thriller," a genre he arguably created (if you ignore Forsyth, Ludlum, etc.). His characters were a bit wooden but the plots crackled with action and authenticity, and his morality was predictable but not preachy. His character Jack Ryan started out as a pretty regular, commonsense guy, but his importance became increasingly inflated as Clancy's fame and fortune grew. In recent tomes Clancy's become increasingly verbose and much more willing to espouse his extremist political agenda.
Now the Ryan character is the former U.S. president, and "The Teeth of the Tiger" attempts to catapult Ryan's teenage son Jack Jr. to do the world's work. Sad to report that this is Clancy's worst book yet, and it's a shadow of the brilliance he showed with "The Hunt for Red October."
Too bad Clancy suffers from "successful writer syndrome" (he's too powerful for editors to get through to him) and it now appears that he's relying on ghostwriters to finish his works. It seems he's so rich that nowadays he's got better things to do with his time and money than do what he's best at.
If you want a really good belly laugh, go read the often hilarious reviews of The Teeth of the Tiger on Amazon. They're a lot more enjoyable than the book itself.
Sorry, you're making a blanket statement and it isn't always true. I've worked for a government contractor and have legally shredded hundreds, if not thousands of classified documents as a matter of course. Classified documents are routinely destroyed without needing declassification beforehand.
Declassification may be customary or even required before document destruction in some institutions, but this isn't standard operating procedure everywhere.
Documents are often left declassified for a period of time before destruction (i.e. months or years). In your example, the simple fact that those documents were declassified is more important than their destruction.
This is true. Many government contractors who handle classified work use certified shredding companies to handle large-scale document destruction (usually those too time consuming for employees to perform in-house).
Employees/drivers of those shredding companies have to be background-checked for the appropriate security level before they're allowed to handle classified material. The security issues involved are fairly analogous to handling money for an armored car company
The best book-to-movie conversion I've ever seen is Fred Zinnemann's "The Day of the Jackal." The film and Frederick Forsyth's novel are both outstanding and equal in almost every way.
Save your money and wait for private enterprise to catch up. It may not be that far away.
With the good news that Scaled Composites' SpaceShipOne flew beyond the speed of sound yesterday, affordable space tourism may be possible within our lifetimes. Granted, Scaled may yet have quite a long way to go to reach space, but they made a leap in the right direction on an historic day. My money's on Burt Rutan and his team to take the X-Prize (but I'd have said that before yesterday).
So if you're say, under 40, there's a good chance you could be able to visit space before your 60th birthday. So be patient. It won't be a seller's market forever.
It's not just home users and small businesses. It's also big businesses continually running in the margins of their IT budgets.
Until this year I had a web programming job at a Fortune 100 company. I had two computers in my cubicle. One of them was a 400 mhz PIII with 64 MB of RAM. The other was a 166 mhz PII running Windows NT on 32 MB of RAM. The fastest computer in our division topped out at about 1 Ghz with 128 MB RAM.
My boss instructed me to install and run Win2k Pro and Office2k Pro on the PIII. I said, "Win2k won't run properly on 64 MB [RAM]." He said yes it would, and I gamely complied. Let's just say the box struggled like Sisyphus afterward. Meanwhile our computer shop was fielding trouble calls all day, every day from users with performance problems, so getting even one extra stick of RAM was an exercise in futility. Eventually it took eight minutes to cycle that box through a reboot before I reluctantly reinstalled the OS.
Still and all, here we were keeping up with the Joneses by getting the latest and greatest (read: bigger and slower) OS and apps, without upgrading any of the hardware to match (on a limited budget). We were running old and new computers with old and new OSes and apps, with shared work bouncing back and forth.
So inevitably, there were complaints from within the division about the inconsistent formatting of shared files. Only then did someone wonder about the future of thousands of Office 97 generation documents, many of which were "live" documents, and the potential chaos of moving them to late-generation formatting. Add to that the dozens of sub-300 mhz computers threatened with orphanage because they won't run the new stuff (cue Sisyphus reference).
The only rational solution was to save every document in an earlier generation format for the short term, so that those employees seeing documents in earlier applications on slower computers could still work with them. No one had the time to truly think long-term.
Contrary to what a certain company wants us to believe, backward compatibility is increasingly important in a world where documents are generated and seen on a multitude of platforms and applications. It's becoming more difficult to require users to "embrace and extend" when each new product alienates the standards of generations before it, a little at a time.
If you're not sure who will read your document, don't expect them to comply with a closed format when you can format your documents more openly.
It's April 1st every time John Markoff (Kevin Mitnick's nemesis) spews the gossip.
Why doesn't anyone remember this idiot Markoff's name for more than five minutes and learn not to swallow the shit he's writing?
This happens to be an article on the front page of the Business/Technology section in Friday's Washington Post.
CowboyNeal's writeup, in which he uses the words "not sanctioned," is quoted directly from the article. The Post's paragraph states:
Massachusetts-based AtStakeInc., a computer security firm, said yesterday that chief technology officer Daniel R. Geer is "no longer associated" with the firm. A company statement added that Geer's participation in preparation of the report was not sanctioned by the firm, and that "the values and opinions of the report are not in line with @stake's views."
Please read the goddamn article before shooting the messenger. Thank you.
I can speak from my own personal experience as context here. I basically abandoned cursive handwriting when I was 14, because my handwriting sucked and my block-letter printing looked a lot better than my handwriting (I even took a year of architecture classes in high school and nearly took it as my college major, because my lettering and drawing were so precise).
Twenty-three years later, my handwriting still looks like an 8th grader. I've made two attempts in the past to recover and improve my handwriting skills, but with little progress to show for it. As an adult, I just did not have the patience to drill myself day after day with the kinds of handwriting exercises necessary to make progress. So I still hand-print everything, even my checks. The only thing I handwrite now is my signature. I'm not proud of it.
I'm not a parent yet, but I hope to make sure my children don't follow the bad habits I fell into when I was young (and no, I'm not blaming my parents, either -- I consider it my fault alone). I think there's a good reason our teachers taught us handwriting early in school, but I took it a bit for granted.
DON'T allow HTML in your e-mail. Plain-text only, please.
... but it also doesn't have to be opened, because it uses an IE exploit to run itself as soon as it shows up in Outlook's preview window.
Correct.
Outlook virii/worms have been with us for a painfully long time now, and yet a bunch of people are still clueless about what Outlook's preview window does. It OPENS and then it PREVIEWS. As in RUN. As in EXECUTE.
Turn OFF the Outlook preview window, people.
Or even better -- STOP using Outlook/IE altogether.
I actually use Mozilla for my online banking. Maybe I'm fortunate (not to mention thankful) that my credit union's site isn't IE-exclusive. Do I trust Mozilla's secure browsing capability? So far I have no reason not to. I know a lot of people can't do their online banking without IE, and I feel their pain. But I hope there's a growing number of web developers out there (I'm one of them) who realize that online transaction security doesn't need IE to fulfill their requirements. Personally, I think it's too late for MS to try to shut out all users of alternative products. Nowadays when Redmond's imperial march music plays, not everyone is in lockstep. And that's A Good Thing.
Kevin Mitnick!
Oh wait. I forgot. Damn.
My favorite part of the A Guy's Guide to Geek Girls page:
7. Geek girls like Spock better than Kirk. Don't ask, it just IS.
Fascinating!
From the article:
"We became the first two people to know the speed of gravity, one of the fundamental constants of nature," the scientists say, in an article in New Scientist print edition. One important consequence of the result is that it places constraints on theories of "brane worlds", which suggest the Universe has more spatial dimensions than the familiar three.
Three...!?
Aren't they forgetting? Professor Toichi Hikita and Dr. Emilio Lizardo already discovered the EIGHTH Dimension....in the 1930s!
Astronomers have discovered two new specks of Jovian dust, JM20022812174130 and JM20022812174130A, which are Jupiter's 84,519,786,014th and 84,519,786,015th moons, respectively.
Scientists are now beginning the process of officially naming the two new worlds. This is expected to pass through several committees before signature in March 2007.
With the discovery, Jupiter is now 3,845,108,491 moons ahead of closest rival Saturn in the race for biggest posse in the solar system.