Everything we've seen suggests that KHTML has a ways to go to catch up with rendering real web pages. At the same time, Gecko should become smaller and simpler.
This statement and the fact that Apple chose KHTML over Gecko seems to resonate with a comment I saw the other day about OS X. "Apple realized that it's easier to put a good GUI on UNIX than to debug Windows."
I am all for the improvement of Gecko, whatever slimming down it needs, but I don't think Apple was so mistaken to choose KHTML. From what I can tell, it's a smaller project and I think they will undoubtedly have more of an influence on it than they would on Gecko/Mozilla. It shouldn't be anay more difficult to extend KHTML, at least not any more difficult than it would be to speed up Mozilla.
Whether you can audit the code for security holes is useless. What matters is being able to DO something about it when you find a problem. Microsoft's Shared Source programs don't allow you to do that, and I think that's just silly.
Basically, this program is giving an advantage to those with nefarious purposes -- they can find faults and exploit them. Those who simply want secure systems can't fix the faults that they find. So what good does it do for anyone?
Anyone with any experience in a *nix shell can understand this mistake, my friend. You see, when you want to run an executable that is in the current working directory, you type./ before its name.
Of course, if you're used to using the backslash when working in a shell you wouldn't know this, because you don't have to prepend the executable name with the current working directory to run it in DOS.
I don't mind if I offend anyone. That was a pretty crappy article. I found myself clicking on the little icon at the end because I thought I had only read page 1. Way to scratch the surface, submitter.
Mom will understand how to use this, I guess I have nothing to worry about.
Really, one way hashes are a good idea -- obviously the best of us probably use them every day when we log into our *nix boxes, but I can't see this becoming the standard for all identification applications -- consumers just won't get it and therefore won't choose it over less secure methods.
Let's say Citibank begins to offer this for credit cards. Would your average consumer be able to glean from a 30 second commercial what a significant difference this would make for their privacy? I don't think so. Citibank may get a few extra customers, but not enough to cover the cost of implementing such a system. I certainly don't think they'd do it on general principle.
Simply download onto your Mandrake workstation, untar and type #./install.sh."
Type? Doesn't sound too "turn key" to me buddy!
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I'm looking at my keyboard -- or I was before I started typing.
It says IBM up at the top right. It make a delicious clickety-clack when I type and across the bottom I see Ctrl, Alt, Spacebar, Alt, Ctrl, Arrow keys, 0,., Enter.
It is one of my most prized possessions...
I only wish I had a keyboard for my Mac with the "Open Apple" and "Closed Apple" keys. Now those were sweet!
I haven't ready any books about the technical details, but for me I'm happier using Linux.
I have a day job and I do freelance development on my own at home.
At my day job I do asp -- my desktop is Windows 2000 with Dreamwevaer MX as my core app.
At home I do php, my desktop is Debian with gVim being my 'core app'.
I'm much happier doing my work at home, despite the fact that I have less time, am usually tired from the day job, and am held more personally responsible for my work (although maybe that contributes to my satisfaction).
I don't tell everyone else to use Linux though, I can see how many people wouldn't be happy with it.
If people ask me what kind of computer to buy, I tell them to get a Mac. I've seen the trouble that Windows can cause at work -- I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I don't care how "enlightening" the design is.
Ever picked up a hammer to make a living? If you ever do, you'll meet some self-employed folks who may be artists in a sense, but not the way you suggest.
A one man operation is a business if it has revenues, expenses, and gets work done. In my book, anyway.
Hello, I am writing in regard to the issues related to the Phoenix Web Browser as discussed in this Slashdot.org story (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/28/12462 38&mode=thread&tid=154) among others I am sure.
I understand the next version of the Phoenix Browser will carry a new name because of concerns from your company over trademark infringement.
I am confused as to why you would ask the Phoenix Web Browser to change its name when there are so many other entities using your sacred name. I would like to name a few.
There is a city in Arizona by the name of Phoenix. (http://phoenix.gov/). Perhaps it would be best to contact the mayor's office with your concerns (skip.rimza@phoenix.gov). You may have to throw a little more weight behind any effort toward Phoenix the city because they are not an underfunded non-profit software project, but rather a major U.S. city.
A simple search on Google using the words "mythology phoenix" brings up many links related to a bird rising from ashes. My limited research suggests that these stories rise from Arab folklore. Perhaps you can contact the whitehouse (president@whitehouse.gov) to see whether insisting that the myth of the Phoenix be forever forgotten can be included in our goals related to the war on terrorism. I wouldn't put such an effort past your company and your company's lawyers.
I was also listening to a radio show on NPR once, called What'dya Know (with Michael Feldman). When Mr. Feldman was introduced he was referred to as "The phoenix rising from the Seinfeld ashes." You can hear the violation here (http://www.notmuch.com/Show/Archive.pl?s_id=83). This show is also non-profit and would have a hard time defending itself in a legal fight against a company like yours. Perhaps this would be the best fight to pick now that the Phoenix Web Browser has complied with your demands.
Or, if you don't want to be a bunch of bastards, you could send a letter to the Phoenix web browser people asking them to keep their name intact.
Until then I will do my best to avoid using your products, and will advise the purchasers at my company to do the same (we work closely together). I will continue to use the Phoenix web browser whatever the name, and I will do my best to not let the good feelings I have about it and its project in any way relieve the contempt I now have for your company.
BBC actually only quotes a guy who says don't use IE. There's a slight difference.
Don't get me wrong though, IE sucks. I only use it from work to read books on safari.oreilly.com. Believe it or not their site doesn't render correctly in Mozilla. I've emailed them and they say that they're working on it, so hopefully it won't be long.
A firewall that passes telnet and not ssh? That's absolutely moronic! That's like defending against an foreigh threat to the United States by stripping Americans' of all their civil liberties!
The funny thing is that as these drives become mainstream, users in my company will think they need 80 GB of space on their laptops. They can't fathom how many word documents would fit on it, but they're convinced anything less would be inadequate.
I'm still amazed when I set up servers that do a lot of logging (firewall, web, ids, etc...) and I give a big/var partition (10+ GB) how little is filled up after several months. I suppose it differs with traffic, but 10 GB alone is tons of space!
Us consumers in the US can look to our government to stand up to this overt attack on our rights! Politicians in Washington aren't going to let these big record companies galavant about stomping on our rights!
After all, this is our culture that we're talking about. Surely the music of the time belongs to the people, right!? It's ours to share, the same as our wisdom and our stories, with each other freely. We all know that the progression of culture depends on the constant cycle of old becoming new, new artists seeking inspiration from those that went before.
I'm confident that the new government in Washington will honor these sacred things. We're all in good hands now!
I beg to differ, and I am shocked, SHOCKED at such an assault on our beloved Tux.
I think his appeal is as much visual as it is idealogical. I especially like the IBM interpretation, in fact, I have a banner on the side of my cube with the IBM "peace love linux" design.
Part of the problem with those pages not rendering correctly is how the HTML WYSIWYG editors doing a terrible job of constructing pages.
We could go out and claim that all of the browser projects ought to be able to handle it but I don't think that's fair.
The W3C sets the standards. The browsers should meet those on the rendering side, the editors should meet it on the development side. Fair is fair, and I think we could name a few companies that haven't been playing nice on this one...
Let's see, who's got their foot in the WYSIWYG market and the browser market...
If you allow Mozilla to load itself into memory for faster startup times (only fair considering IE does it without asking) you'll find that you can get a page loaded faster with mozilla.
I tried it using both browsers on the same site with my machine at work. The difference was on the order of seconds...
IE is junk compared to mozilla. Also, the Orbit theme rocks! Take a look here.
I just got amazing deja-vu reading your post. Do you or someone else say something like this every time this happens?
It's totally weird. I'm bidding on a server on ebay too, that is tying into it. I wonder if my gf put something into this coffee.
Oh yeah, to be on topic, I wanted to say that I work for gov't, and our department's CIO has declared that only MS is going to be "supported software." It doesn't mean anything. People are going to use what they want. There are plenty of Unix boxen on our network.
Of course our CIO is a joke, the DOI CIO isn't neccessarily...
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Quoth Mitchell Baker:
Everything we've seen suggests that KHTML has a ways to go to catch up with rendering real web pages. At the same time, Gecko should become smaller and simpler.
This statement and the fact that Apple chose KHTML over Gecko seems to resonate with a comment I saw the other day about OS X. "Apple realized that it's easier to put a good GUI on UNIX than to debug Windows."
I am all for the improvement of Gecko, whatever slimming down it needs, but I don't think Apple was so mistaken to choose KHTML. From what I can tell, it's a smaller project and I think they will undoubtedly have more of an influence on it than they would on Gecko/Mozilla. It shouldn't be anay more difficult to extend KHTML, at least not any more difficult than it would be to speed up Mozilla.
Not sure if it's only Twin Cities or what, but Dunn Brother's coffee shops are offering wireless internet for free.
They're less evil than Starbucks... :)
Whether you can audit the code for security holes is useless. What matters is being able to DO something about it when you find a problem. Microsoft's Shared Source programs don't allow you to do that, and I think that's just silly.
Basically, this program is giving an advantage to those with nefarious purposes -- they can find faults and exploit them. Those who simply want secure systems can't fix the faults that they find. So what good does it do for anyone?
Anyone with any experience in a *nix shell can understand this mistake, my friend. You see, when you want to run an executable that is in the current working directory, you type ./ before its name.
Of course, if you're used to using the backslash when working in a shell you wouldn't know this, because you don't have to prepend the executable name with the current working directory to run it in DOS.
I have pizza rolls, I take them orally. They work quite well.
I don't mind if I offend anyone. That was a pretty crappy article. I found myself clicking on the little icon at the end because I thought I had only read page 1. Way to scratch the surface, submitter.
This is one thing that I can agree with MS on. Nynorsk is wierd. Bokmal is much better.
Bravo!
Mom will understand how to use this, I guess I have nothing to worry about.
Really, one way hashes are a good idea -- obviously the best of us probably use them every day when we log into our *nix boxes, but I can't see this becoming the standard for all identification applications -- consumers just won't get it and therefore won't choose it over less secure methods.
Let's say Citibank begins to offer this for credit cards. Would your average consumer be able to glean from a 30 second commercial what a significant difference this would make for their privacy? I don't think so. Citibank may get a few extra customers, but not enough to cover the cost of implementing such a system. I certainly don't think they'd do it on general principle.
Maybe it will happen. But I would be surprised.
Simply download onto your Mandrake workstation, untar and type # ./install.sh."
Type? Doesn't sound too "turn key" to me buddy!
I'm looking at my keyboard -- or I was before I started typing.
It says IBM up at the top right. It make a delicious clickety-clack when I type and across the bottom I see Ctrl, Alt, Spacebar, Alt, Ctrl, Arrow keys, 0, ., Enter.
It is one of my most prized possessions...
I only wish I had a keyboard for my Mac with the "Open Apple" and "Closed Apple" keys. Now those were sweet!
I haven't ready any books about the technical details, but for me I'm happier using Linux.
I have a day job and I do freelance development on my own at home.
At my day job I do asp -- my desktop is Windows 2000 with Dreamwevaer MX as my core app.
At home I do php, my desktop is Debian with gVim being my 'core app'.
I'm much happier doing my work at home, despite the fact that I have less time, am usually tired from the day job, and am held more personally responsible for my work (although maybe that contributes to my satisfaction).
I don't tell everyone else to use Linux though, I can see how many people wouldn't be happy with it.
If people ask me what kind of computer to buy, I tell them to get a Mac. I've seen the trouble that Windows can cause at work -- I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I don't care how "enlightening" the design is.
I've been the proud owner of a Golf TDI for about 4 months now and I absolutely love it.
I get 45-50 mpg and the thing is great to drive. In fact, most mornings it's my main motivation for going to work! (This morning being no exception)
For those who aren't so interested in fuel economy though, I think this model is pretty cool. A V10 diesel in an SUV!
Ever picked up a hammer to make a living? If you ever do, you'll meet some self-employed folks who may be artists in a sense, but not the way you suggest.
A one man operation is a business if it has revenues, expenses, and gets work done. In my book, anyway.
Hello,2 38&mode=thread&tid=154) among others I am sure.
I am writing in regard to the issues related to the Phoenix Web Browser as discussed in this Slashdot.org story (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/28/1246
I understand the next version of the Phoenix Browser will carry a new name because of concerns from your company over trademark infringement.
I am confused as to why you would ask the Phoenix Web Browser to change its name when there are so many other entities using your sacred name. I would like to name a few.
There is a city in Arizona by the name of Phoenix. (http://phoenix.gov/). Perhaps it would be best to contact the mayor's office with your concerns (skip.rimza@phoenix.gov). You may have to throw a little more weight behind any effort toward Phoenix the city because they are not an underfunded non-profit software project, but rather a major U.S. city.
A simple search on Google using the words "mythology phoenix" brings up many links related to a bird rising from ashes. My limited research suggests that these stories rise from Arab folklore. Perhaps you can contact the whitehouse (president@whitehouse.gov) to see whether insisting that the myth of the Phoenix be forever forgotten can be included in our goals related to the war on terrorism. I wouldn't put such an effort past your company and your company's lawyers.
I was also listening to a radio show on NPR once, called What'dya Know (with Michael Feldman). When Mr. Feldman was introduced he was referred to as "The phoenix rising from the Seinfeld ashes." You can hear the violation here (http://www.notmuch.com/Show/Archive.pl?s_id=83). This show is also non-profit and would have a hard time defending itself in a legal fight against a company like yours. Perhaps this would be the best fight to pick now that the Phoenix Web Browser has complied with your demands.
Or, if you don't want to be a bunch of bastards, you could send a letter to the Phoenix web browser people asking them to keep their name intact.
Until then I will do my best to avoid using your products, and will advise the purchasers at my company to do the same (we work closely together). I will continue to use the Phoenix web browser whatever the name, and I will do my best to not let the good feelings I have about it and its project in any way relieve the contempt I now have for your company.
Happy Thanksgiving,
Erik Mitchell
Minneapolis, Minnesota
BBC actually only quotes a guy who says don't use IE. There's a slight difference.
Don't get me wrong though, IE sucks. I only use it from work to read books on safari.oreilly.com. Believe it or not their site doesn't render correctly in Mozilla. I've emailed them and they say that they're working on it, so hopefully it won't be long.
A firewall that passes telnet and not ssh? That's absolutely moronic! That's like defending against an foreigh threat to the United States by stripping Americans' of all their civil liberties!
You know, really moronic!!!
Themself are one, do draw a line would be to destroy both.
Don't tell me I'm naive. I'm not.
The funny thing is that as these drives become mainstream, users in my company will think they need 80 GB of space on their laptops. They can't fathom how many word documents would fit on it, but they're convinced anything less would be inadequate.
I'm still amazed when I set up servers that do a lot of logging (firewall, web, ids, etc...) and I give a big /var partition (10+ GB) how little is filled up after several months. I suppose it differs with traffic, but 10 GB alone is tons of space!
And those speaking truth post as ACs.
My varicose ulcer itches...
Us consumers in the US can look to our government to stand up to this overt attack on our rights! Politicians in Washington aren't going to let these big record companies galavant about stomping on our rights!
After all, this is our culture that we're talking about. Surely the music of the time belongs to the people, right!? It's ours to share, the same as our wisdom and our stories, with each other freely. We all know that the progression of culture depends on the constant cycle of old becoming new, new artists seeking inspiration from those that went before.
I'm confident that the new government in Washington will honor these sacred things. We're all in good hands now!
Let's all have a glass of Victory Gin!
I beg to differ, and I am shocked, SHOCKED at such an assault on our beloved Tux.
I think his appeal is as much visual as it is idealogical. I especially like the IBM interpretation, in fact, I have a banner on the side of my cube with the IBM "peace love linux" design.
I quote Lyle Lovett:
Penguins are so sensitive to my needs.
Part of the problem with those pages not rendering correctly is how the HTML WYSIWYG editors doing a terrible job of constructing pages.
We could go out and claim that all of the browser projects ought to be able to handle it but I don't think that's fair.
The W3C sets the standards. The browsers should meet those on the rendering side, the editors should meet it on the development side. Fair is fair, and I think we could name a few companies that haven't been playing nice on this one...
Let's see, who's got their foot in the WYSIWYG market and the browser market...
If you allow Mozilla to load itself into memory for faster startup times (only fair considering IE does it without asking) you'll find that you can get a page loaded faster with mozilla.
I tried it using both browsers on the same site with my machine at work. The difference was on the order of seconds...
IE is junk compared to mozilla. Also, the Orbit theme rocks! Take a look here.
I just got amazing deja-vu reading your post. Do you or someone else say something like this every time this happens?
It's totally weird. I'm bidding on a server on ebay too, that is tying into it. I wonder if my gf put something into this coffee.
Oh yeah, to be on topic, I wanted to say that I work for gov't, and our department's CIO has declared that only MS is going to be "supported software." It doesn't mean anything. People are going to use what they want. There are plenty of Unix boxen on our network.
Of course our CIO is a joke, the DOI CIO isn't neccessarily...