Palm machines aren't exactly known for fast CPUs, at least by desktop terms. This chart shows clock speeds from 16Mhz (Zire) to 66MHz (Sony Clie T665C), with most current units at 33Mhz. Now, I know clock speed ain't everything, performance-wise, but it kinda looks like most current machines won't be able to play much. Maybe spoken word stuff, which can get by with much lower bitrate & sample frequency, but forget ditching your iPod just yet...
Port the player to Linux for the Zaurus and iPaq, or even Pocket PC, and then yer talkin'.
IIRC, it wasn't so much the patch itself that was in violation of the DMCA (Dilbertized Merkin Copyright Anomaly) as the description of the problem. So I can't describe it to you, but if you *aren't* American, you can safely click on this link, which will tell you. (Read & click-through the licence/disclaimer, then pick it off the drop-down menu thingy. Yeah, it sucks, but so does a copyright law that prevents people from fully documenting software bugs. Sorta like the evening news in some places--"Scientists think this common household substance could kill you! We'll tell you more on Channel 11's News at Eleven!")
> And before you flame me for not reading the article, I didn't read the article.
And now that I have, you can flame me for replying to myself:-)
The article talked not so much about ditching the CPU business, as partnering with other companies on non-desktop-PC applications--Gibson for digital audio workstations (using the MAGIC network protocol, covered here), JAK Films/ILM for video/storyboarding gear, and Cray for a new Sandia Labs supercomputer--the first two of which look more or less like specialised versions of desktop PCs anyway. So presumably you'll still be able to throw together a 1337 Athlon box for your own use, but they may be treating the Dell/HP/whatever market as a lost cause.
Am I the only one this makes no sense to? AMD's stuff offers better bang for the buck than Intel's, at least judging by the reviews posted here, and they're the CPU of choice for a lot of DIYers, I'm sure. So is it just because they don't seem to be getting the OEM contracts Intel does, or is the R&D effort to stay competitive not worth it? Even so, you'd think the prestige/brand recognition of building CPU's would be worth it.
And before you flame me for not reading the article, I didn't read the article.
>> If I had the cash for it i would definitly ditch my 160Gb HD and Radeon AIW card.
I'll give ya $20 for that stuff, so's I can ditch my 20gb drive and POS^h^h^hSiS onboard video. Hey, and yer Athlon XP & mobo's about to be obsolete too. $25 for 'em so's I can find a suitable home for my K6-2?
And you're not gonna need your standalone DVD player anymore either, so I'll trade ya straight up for my eight-track.
Typing source code?
Folding paper airplanes out of sheet titanium?
A tragic early-onset case of arthritis?
Waxing his karate master's car so he can defeat the bullies at his school and win the love of the girl?
An unsuccessful most-Rubik's-Cubes-solved-in-seventy-two-hours world's record attempt?
Typing \ after every paragraph in/. posts?
Posting humourless followups to a not-all-that-funny satire article?
Iterating a point-form-list type joke past the point where it stops being funny?
Updating his LeAnn Rimes fan site every minute, on the minute, because his audience of one depends on it?
Playing Night Driver on his Atari while listening to Jan Hammer and trying really hard to convince himself it's more fun than GTA: Vice City would be?
Creating an elaborately faked trail of Hotmail and Yahoo accounts in order to ballot-stuff Cowboy Neal to the top of one of those polls for once?
Please, I beg you, complete that sentence at your earliest possible convenience. The fate of the free world may depend on it.
Just Robert Smith. Good Ghod, the guy's had advanced terminal bedhead since 1987! If we can't all chip in and get him a 99 cent comb, he may DIE AT ANY TIME!
Of course, he's gonna be a mill-yun-aire in 2004, when a certain Mr. G.W. Bush will use "Killing An Arab" as his campaign song...
Looks like it's actually libstdc++ that needs to be up-to-the-millisecond. Considering the still-ever-changing nature of GCC's APIs (see here,here, and here, would it kill folks to either statically link the libstdc++ they use for binary releases, or at least include the apropriate.so file, like Phoenix does for all the Mozilla libs? (libxpcom, etc...) Just a suggestion. Otherwise I'd probably be typing this in Phoenix instead of Opera right now...
That would be a good show, though. Strand the top 20 Scientologists on a desert island with no access to lawyers. You could have it sponsored by Google, The Wayback Machine and Xenu.net.
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> what more could you ask for?
well maybe a fanless cpu.
Looks like it runs the Via C3 up to 667 mhz. And Via claim that the 500mhz version, at least, can be run fanless. So there ya go. Might wanna keep an eye on 'er for the first coupla days so's you don't let the magic smoke out, though.
Call me crazy, but if all you want is a Linux box, wouldn't Intel hardware be cheaper? I've seen OS-less 900mhz Durons advertised for like $400 Canadian, which is like a buck twenty five US. (Well, actually, more like $240. but you get the drift)
On the other hand, I wonder how hard it would be to build up a used first gen Power Mac into a G4, for a cheapo OSX box? Though I'd probably still wind up throwing Linux on it, too...
Interesting. Of all the hardware I own (which isn't much compared to most on this board) only two cards actually have manufacturer Linux support: my generic 56k hardware modem, for which the support is limited to a sticker on the box saying "Supports Linux, Windows 95/98/Me, Windows NT/2000,. yadda yadda yadda" and my D-Link ethernet card, which actually came with the driver source on floppy and a README saying (in effect) "gcc rtl8139.c && insmod 8139." I generally use the HOWTOs as first information source when installing new hardware, then if it doesn't work hit Google, and more or less expect the manufacturer's resources to be useless... Not exactly "Aunt Tillie" friendly, is it? But I expect the situation would be different if Linux was on 95% of desktops.
So why does "f*** thee" sound more polite than "f*** you"?
Regarding "K" as a word, short for "'kay", short for "ok", whose etymology I'm too lazy to google right now: spotted somebody on MetaFilter using "mmk" as the short form of "mmmkay?". Hell in a handbasket, here we come!
"Yarrr, 'tis clear sailing ahead for our precious cargo!" "You mean the hot pants?" "Aye, the hot pants."
ObOnTopic: Always wanted John Denver to be the first pop star tourist in space. Too bad he's dead or something. Wonder who else has that kinda money, hasn't spent it on drugs, and isn't Bill Gates or the Sultan of Brunei? I can just see it now:
"Will that ticket be in your name, Mr. Gates?" "No, it's for Linus... that's L-I-N-U-S..."
A guy with a beard is somebody's idea of offensive? Okay, he looks sorta like RMS, so I'd expect half the folks here to start immediately frothing about getting GNU in their Linux, but come on.
Besides, for "wank", I'd expect it to come up with a ponytailed guy in a BMW, yammering on his celly to his broker and honking at me for daring to ride my bike on the road he owns...
You might want to try CheckInstall. Never used it myself, but it promises to the job on RPM, Debian and Slackware. I think the next time I do a distro upgrade I'll try it, I've done the source tarball thing so much on my box RPM has no idea what's going on.
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Palm machines aren't exactly known for fast CPUs, at least by desktop terms. This chart shows clock speeds from 16Mhz (Zire) to 66MHz (Sony Clie T665C), with most current units at 33Mhz. Now, I know clock speed ain't everything, performance-wise, but it kinda looks like most current machines won't be able to play much. Maybe spoken word stuff, which can get by with much lower bitrate & sample frequency, but forget ditching your iPod just yet...
Port the player to Linux for the Zaurus and iPaq, or even Pocket PC, and then yer talkin'.
IIRC, it wasn't so much the patch itself that was in violation of the DMCA (Dilbertized Merkin Copyright Anomaly) as the description of the problem. So I can't describe it to you, but if you *aren't* American, you can safely click on this link, which will tell you. (Read & click-through the licence/disclaimer, then pick it off the drop-down menu thingy. Yeah, it sucks, but so does a copyright law that prevents people from fully documenting software bugs. Sorta like the evening news in some places--"Scientists think this common household substance could kill you! We'll tell you more on Channel 11's News at Eleven!")
> And before you flame me for not reading the article, I didn't read the article.
:-)
And now that I have, you can flame me for replying to myself
The article talked not so much about ditching the CPU business, as partnering with other companies on non-desktop-PC applications--Gibson for digital audio workstations (using the MAGIC network protocol, covered here), JAK Films/ILM for video/storyboarding gear, and Cray for a new Sandia Labs supercomputer--the first two of which look more or less like specialised versions of desktop PCs anyway. So presumably you'll still be able to throw together a 1337 Athlon box for your own use, but they may be treating the Dell/HP/whatever market as a lost cause.
Am I the only one this makes no sense to? AMD's stuff offers better bang for the buck than Intel's, at least judging by the reviews posted here, and they're the CPU of choice for a lot of DIYers, I'm sure. So is it just because they don't seem to be getting the OEM contracts Intel does, or is the R&D effort to stay competitive not worth it? Even so, you'd think the prestige/brand recognition of building CPU's would be worth it.
And before you flame me for not reading the article, I didn't read the article.
>> If I had the cash for it i would definitly ditch my 160Gb HD and Radeon AIW card.
I'll give ya $20 for that stuff, so's I can ditch my 20gb drive and POS^h^h^hSiS onboard video. Hey, and yer Athlon XP & mobo's about to be obsolete too. $25 for 'em so's I can find a suitable home for my K6-2?
And you're not gonna need your standalone DVD player anymore either, so I'll trade ya straight up for my eight-track.
> Maybe his hands are cramped from ....
/. posts?
Typing source code?
Folding paper airplanes out of sheet titanium?
A tragic early-onset case of arthritis?
Waxing his karate master's car so he can defeat the bullies at his school and win the love of the girl?
An unsuccessful most-Rubik's-Cubes-solved-in-seventy-two-hours world's record attempt?
Typing \
after every paragraph in
Posting humourless followups to a not-all-that-funny satire article?
Iterating a point-form-list type joke past the point where it stops being funny?
Updating his LeAnn Rimes fan site every minute, on the minute, because his audience of one depends on it?
Playing Night Driver on his Atari while listening to Jan Hammer and trying really hard to convince himself it's more fun than GTA: Vice City would be?
Creating an elaborately faked trail of Hotmail and Yahoo accounts in order to ballot-stuff Cowboy Neal to the top of one of those polls for once?
Please, I beg you, complete that sentence at your earliest possible convenience. The fate of the free world may depend on it.
Here's your pictures. I can't believe you missed this, /. covered it way back in April.
Two minutes? What disk accelerator did you use? That's schmokin'... for a 1541.
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Just Robert Smith. Good Ghod, the guy's had advanced terminal bedhead since 1987! If we can't all chip in and get him a 99 cent comb, he may DIE AT ANY TIME!
Of course, he's gonna be a mill-yun-aire in 2004, when a certain Mr. G.W. Bush will use "Killing An Arab" as his campaign song...
Looks like it's actually libstdc++ that needs to be up-to-the-millisecond. Considering the still-ever-changing nature of GCC's APIs (see here, here, and here, would it kill folks to either statically link the libstdc++ they use for binary releases, or at least include the apropriate .so file, like Phoenix does for all the Mozilla libs? (libxpcom, etc...) Just a suggestion. Otherwise I'd probably be typing this in Phoenix instead of Opera right now...
If he was really smart, he woulda bought the yellow cat5 so it'd already go faster.
That would be a good show, though. Strand the top 20 Scientologists on a desert island with no access to lawyers. You could have it sponsored by Google, The Wayback Machine and Xenu.net.
> what more could you ask for? well maybe a fanless cpu.
Looks like it runs the Via C3 up to 667 mhz. And Via claim that the 500mhz version, at least, can be run fanless. So there ya go. Might wanna keep an eye on 'er for the first coupla days so's you don't let the magic smoke out, though.
Call me crazy, but if all you want is a Linux box, wouldn't Intel hardware be cheaper? I've seen OS-less 900mhz Durons advertised for like $400 Canadian, which is like a buck twenty five US. (Well, actually, more like $240. but you get the drift)
On the other hand, I wonder how hard it would be to build up a used first gen Power Mac into a G4, for a cheapo OSX box? Though I'd probably still wind up throwing Linux on it, too...
Shhhh, he'll hear you.
Anybody got the actual URL of this thing? I'm thinking y'all could Slashdot it now so it'll be nice and empty come launch time...
That is, assuming it's woodpecker-proof.
Interesting. Of all the hardware I own (which isn't much compared to most on this board) only two cards actually have manufacturer Linux support: my generic 56k hardware modem, for which the support is limited to a sticker on the box saying "Supports Linux, Windows 95/98/Me, Windows NT/2000,. yadda yadda yadda" and my D-Link ethernet card, which actually came with the driver source on floppy and a README saying (in effect) "gcc rtl8139.c && insmod 8139." I generally use the HOWTOs as first information source when installing new hardware, then if it doesn't work hit Google, and more or less expect the manufacturer's resources to be useless... Not exactly "Aunt Tillie" friendly, is it? But I expect the situation would be different if Linux was on 95% of desktops.
So why does "f*** thee" sound more polite than "f*** you"?
Regarding "K" as a word, short for "'kay", short for "ok", whose etymology I'm too lazy to google right now: spotted somebody on MetaFilter using "mmk" as the short form of "mmmkay?". Hell in a handbasket, here we come!
ObOffTopicSimpsons:
"Yarrr, 'tis clear sailing ahead for our precious cargo!"
"You mean the hot pants?"
"Aye, the hot pants."
ObOnTopic: Always wanted John Denver to be the first pop star tourist in space. Too bad he's dead or something. Wonder who else has that kinda money, hasn't spent it on drugs, and isn't Bill Gates or the Sultan of Brunei? I can just see it now:
"Will that ticket be in your name, Mr. Gates?"
"No, it's for Linus... that's L-I-N-U-S..."
A guy with a beard is somebody's idea of offensive? Okay, he looks sorta like RMS, so I'd expect half the folks here to start immediately frothing about getting GNU in their Linux, but come on.
Besides, for "wank", I'd expect it to come up with a ponytailed guy in a BMW, yammering on his celly to his broker and honking at me for daring to ride my bike on the road he owns...
Shows what you know. DMCA is now a verb, as in "Didja hear Apple DMCAed some poor sap for getting iDVD to run on non-Apple drives?"
You might want to try CheckInstall. Never used it myself, but it promises to the job on RPM, Debian and Slackware. I think the next time I do a distro upgrade I'll try it, I've done the source tarball thing so much on my box RPM has no idea what's going on.
This is the /. effect, v2.0. Aka, Save the server-crash the client :-)
Ob-On-Topic: Jolt White Lightning, bay-bee. Or iced coffee, black, with Sugar in the Raw.