800ms to shift...jesus somebody has stick-envy. I drive the biggest piece of shit on the planet and I'm sure I can easily shift in under 200ms. Why someone would pay $3000 for this tranny, plus add the extra weight is beyond me. I'll stick to manuals.
"At least with a console, you have dedicated and consistent hardware."
And that means the framerate never drops? Background CPU usage on my system is on the order of 0-0.5% maximum when I'm playing games. Your beloved XBox has an OS, scheduling, and IO to do too, it's just transparent.
Have you ever used a P60 with the bug? I used one for 2 years and never experienced a single problem I could trace back to the bug. Of course Windows crashed, but it did on everyone's machine at the time. I later installed Linux on it once it wasn't really useful as a desktop anymore, and it did that for another 2 years.
It isn't a fatal bug. Merely an annoyance that almost never presents itself.
RTFA, the technology he is referring to harnesses a nickel isotope's radiation. Nothing like the steam turbine nuclear generators you are referring to.
Newspapers don't make money off subscriptions and selling newspapers, they make money off of advertising. If the case were the same in the music industry, you would hear lovely ads after every track (there's usually at least one full-page ad for each full-page column in a newspaper). CDs are expensive because it costs a lot to produce the content, not duplicate the CD. Studio time is on the order of 100s of dollars an hour, sound engineers probably get paid similarly, and many many man hours go into that 45 minutes of music.
I certainly am against misrepresentation of copyright law, but this point just doesn't make any sense, the profit just comes from completely different places. I don't mind advertising in newspapers because it's not obtrusive. If there was a lovely 30 second ad track for every 5 minutes of music, I would be annoyed, basically I'm just listening to the radio, but I've paid for the content.
In the era of computers, with MP3s being on virtually every home computer, CD burners in 2 out of 5, and media costing 50 cents or less, there is little doubt that copying is more prevalent now than it was in the 80s with cassettes. However, copying CDs that you own legally to give to your friends shouldn't be...isn't illegal. Downloading music and burning that, with no one getting compensation, is illegal...though I'll be the first to admit this is one of my uses of CDR media.
For anyone interested, the ebuild mentioned on bugs.gentoo.org does work fine, though for some reason it doesn't install VMWare 3.1 as it says, but rather VMWare 3.0. My only beef with it is that it uses the/opt tree, which from the Gentoo developers docs it's not supposed to do.
root@quark bin # emerge vmware Calculating dependencies !!! Couldn't find match for vmware; aborting. apparently it's not in the rsync yet, thanks for the info I'll check it out now.
After having a quick look at the man pages myself, you appear to be correct./etc/suauth has a manpage that documents the format. Here's a oneliner to do what you want:
root:ALL EXCEPT GROUP root:DENY
This will deny anyone except people in group "root" from su-ing to root. This file is alot more robust, you should probably read the manpage for (man 5 suauth) it. As for the "wheel" group, that's a BSDism, and is simply the way things are done in the *BSD distros, I have no idea where the name comes from.
Do you not consider disk space a resource. In my world it is quite limited, and expensive. I'd rather not have an extra 200MB of stuff I'll never use installed. As an aside, I don't need sendmail running on my workstation, nor do I need any of the RPC services that alot of distros *still* install by default. LPR also comes to mind, and is horribly insecure. Apache is another popular one, though not as bad. I realize that RH is targeted towards servers (and yeah I'm biased, I've only ever spent time on other people's RH boxen, found the experience horrifying), but there are workstation options in the install program, these should install a minimal set of tools, and a decent X package manager for adding more stuff, rather than filling up your HD with a bunch of fud. Yeah I realize you're a troll, but I need to counter your point.
One of the first steps is configuring the flags your C or C++ compiler will get when it compiles the packages. Adding the -march=i686 flag to every source file compiled makes the compiler use Intel's extended instruction set or more recent CPUs. Most binary distrobutions are compiled for vanilla i386 hardware, and will run on 486s and older Pentiums that don't have MMX/SSE enhancments. Yes, it doesn't make all that much of a difference, but it does allow you to squeeze a little more out of the system, and in some cases leads to smaller binaries. The other factor, as you mentioned, is that unlike RH, MDK and the like, it doesn't install loads of services that eat up your resources that you never use.
The very last point, is that aside from LFS, it's probably the only distro I'm aware of where you *don't* have an install program do everything for you, so it's all done Your Way. Yeah compiling takes a loooonnng time, but it's an interesting experience, and I find it to be more stable and faster than a comparable Debian install, of course for many, the 24hr+ compile time to set up a decent X workstation may make it out of the question.
su is protected in the same way as with BSD distros. You must be a member of the "wheel" group to use the su utility. Simply edit/etc/group and include yourself in this group, and all will be well again:)
Same goes for audio, cdrw drives etc, you must be a member of the appropriate group to write to the device.
I'm now running Gentoo (installed it this weekend). Was running Debian 2.2r5. Gentoo is markedly faster, and definitely more up to date (how long was it gonna take Debian to release KDE3 packages, even in unstable). I'm now running an entirely source based, KDE3 workstation, and it only took about 24 hours to compile everything *laugh*.
If you've got time, and are comfortable with a command line, Gentoo seems to be a very nice distro so far. The portage utility is superb, though most of the setup of the machine is done by hand (read: know what you're doing first), it's well worth it.
The only beef I had was that it doesn't use the SysV/etc/init.d/rc.d for startup, so VMWare was kinda a pain to get working.
Overall, a very well done distro, but it does have some issues, and you really do need to know your way around to get it going.
A word of advice, make sure/var has lots of space, as portage uses/var/tmp for compiling. I made the mistake of not making a seperate partition for/var, and making / only 300MB. Bombed about halfway through compiling XFree, and I had to start from scratch again. If you must make/var small, use the PORTAGE_TMPDIR variable to specify where you want it to compile in, otherwise you'll run into problems.
Bleeding edge is nice, but I'd still consider Debian my distro of choice for anything other than my home machine which I don't really care about. Too much potential for problems.
Good Luck
If you actually read the instructions and help, the Debian install is quite simple, and insanely flexible. I managed to get slackware working with absolutely no *nix experience, back in the 3.x days. The installer was horrid, but there was a fair bit of help included. Bottom line, the Debian installer may not be the simplest, but how many people can attest to getting more (or less) than they wanted when they installed with Mandrake or RH. The Debian installer is flexible, which allows it to suit much more situations than the simple "I'm a Windows user and I want to try Linux" type install. Perhaps the Debian developers need to work on a "I'm a newbie and I need help with this type approach". Personally I find the RH and Mandrake distributions to be glossy and too "usability" based for my tastes. They sacrifice quality for looks, the same issues we're having with games these days (as mentioned in a/. article yesterday). In short, the Debian installer is very good, it allows all sorts of cool stuff, including manually selecting exactly what you want on your system. It might take a bit more reading and time than installing a similar Mandrake setup, but once it's up, it's easy to update, and very stable (I run from unstable, and the only problems I have are with the KDE packages for some reason, mainly KMail, the stable versions run fine).
I don't suggest Debian as a person's first distro, it can be confusing at times, especially when things aren't configured how you want (I still have problems getting blackbox to save my global menu file persistently through updates), but once you get a hang of the CLI and an idea of what you need, it's a good distro to migrate to if you feel cramped by Mandrake.
Well if you think about it per clock, 900MHzx7=6300Mhz
6300Mhzx15days=94500
94500x24hx60mx60s=8164800000 cycles in 15 days
200MHzx365days=73000
73000x24hx60ms60s=6307200000
So in fact, you're P200 did more work per clock than your Duron 900s. Scary isn't it:P.
My suggestion would be to download the debian netinstall ISO (if you have a cd burner). IIRC, it's about 16MB. You boot off the cd, install a minimalist linux system, configure your 'net connection (it can do ppp, or ethernet) and download the packages you want from there. It may be a problem if your connection drops during the install, so my suggestion would be to install a very minimalist setup, and apt-get what you need after it's installed. This is what I used to set up my machine, and rather than downloading the 650MB ISO (I do have a 2.5mbit DSL connection, mind you), I only had to get about 250MB worth of packages. I did miss a few things, but these were easily installed with apt-get afterwards. The BSDs, while a great choice for servers, I don't particularly like on a desktop machine. My reasons include lack of driver support, poor software support (in comparison), and lots of hacking to compile some stuff that YOU must have (ie your favorite, non standard MUA, etc). If there's a port availiable, all is fine and dandy, however if not you'll often run into problems, as most stuff is native on Linux. I also had insane instability problems while using X in FreeBSD on Athlon/Duron CPUs using the KT133 chipset. I don't know if this is a bug in the kernel (the version i used was 4.4), X or what, but it was definitely annoying having kernel panics every few hours while in the middle of a project in X. Console was fine however.
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Woody ships with X 4.1.0, which was recently (within the past couple of days) updated in the APT database to 4.2.0. Runs flawlessly.
As a side note, I was recently looking for a decent desktop distro, tried RH7.2, the install size was almost 2GB...my Debian install was a little over 250MB right after install, missed a few libs/tools, but that was easily rectified with a few apt-get's. 250MB with X, blackbox, KDE, Gnome, and E, plus a bunch of tools. Of course I've manually bloated it now with Quake 3 etc, but Debian is definitely the best (binary based...) desktop distro.
I'm interested in trying some of the source distros (GenToo and Sorecery), simply because my servers are strictly Slackware boxes trimmed down with hand compiled source for everything. Unfortunately I don't have a test box to devote to Source distros right now, so I guess I have to cope with nice binary based Debian.
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What I don't understand is why AOL created their own (proprietary I might add) protocol for their network (or at least why they continue to use one...). TCP/IP can easily do everything their network does, coupled with a decent web browser and a search domain, typing the "keyword" into your AOL program (standard web browser) will bring up pornfreaks.keywords.aol.com or something that could point to a well coded DHTML or Flash or whatever site. Why do all these people that create proprietary stuff when there are open standards that do the same thing make money? Utilize existing technology to do something new, I'm sure they could make alot more money that way anyways, more userbase is good isn't it.
Totally away from the point of this post, but isn't the consumer market migrating away from services like AOL anyhow, everything is availiable on the general internet now, and with broadband becoming the norm, why bother with badly coded software? I work at a (normal) ISP, and whenever someone installs the AOL sofware, it fubars the Windows TCP/IP stack. And if my guess is correct, AOL doesn't have a huge market share, though they have by far the biggest market share. In other words, maybe 10% of Internet users use AOL, the other 90% are spread across local ISP and such (these numbers are arbitrary). When will these monopolistic companies get the picture that people don't like being pushed around (at least people who know anything...)
Sometimes it's just not that easy. Somehow I find it hard to believe that a majority of these clueless users is running Debian, probably RH and Cobalt mostly (both based off the same code...). For the rest of us, apt-get is fine if you use Debian, but if you can figure out Debian's horrid package system, I'm sure you can install SSH from source. RH does have up2date (I'm assuming Cobalt does too), but it'll probably be a week or two before any of these package databases are update. Debian may be an exception, I only use it for a workstation running no services at all so I don't know how fast they update it, RH however seems to be quite slow in releasing new binaries/binary patches for distros. In comparison to M$ though it's nothing.
This comment also completely ignores the fact that alot of people who are partially clueless may have had their box setup by someone else, or been helped through a source install, regardless of distro. (I've personally helped 4 or 5 people in the office install SSH, of course I'll notify them of this 'sploit however) This is the biggest problem I have with packages and binary distros, whatever package system is implemented becomes useless the moment you install from source, and often will in fact BREAK the php/apache setup you had working so well when it tries to update a package you forgot to exclude.
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800ms to shift...jesus somebody has stick-envy. I drive the biggest piece of shit on the planet and I'm sure I can easily shift in under 200ms. Why someone would pay $3000 for this tranny, plus add the extra weight is beyond me. I'll stick to manuals.
"At least with a console, you have dedicated and consistent hardware." And that means the framerate never drops? Background CPU usage on my system is on the order of 0-0.5% maximum when I'm playing games. Your beloved XBox has an OS, scheduling, and IO to do too, it's just transparent.
Have you ever used a P60 with the bug? I used one for 2 years and never experienced a single problem I could trace back to the bug. Of course Windows crashed, but it did on everyone's machine at the time. I later installed Linux on it once it wasn't really useful as a desktop anymore, and it did that for another 2 years.
It isn't a fatal bug. Merely an annoyance that almost never presents itself.
I only see Windows, Linux and PocketPC versions. Where's the PalmOS version???
I've got a high quality SVCD DVD RIP on 4CDS. It looks nearly as good as the DVD would if it was released.
You forgot one: Mozilla
What differs between the two is that it is almost never necessary on Linux.
RTFA, the technology he is referring to harnesses a nickel isotope's radiation. Nothing like the steam turbine nuclear generators you are referring to.
Newspapers don't make money off subscriptions and selling newspapers, they make money off of advertising. If the case were the same in the music industry, you would hear lovely ads after every track (there's usually at least one full-page ad for each full-page column in a newspaper). CDs are expensive because it costs a lot to produce the content, not duplicate the CD. Studio time is on the order of 100s of dollars an hour, sound engineers probably get paid similarly, and many many man hours go into that 45 minutes of music. I certainly am against misrepresentation of copyright law, but this point just doesn't make any sense, the profit just comes from completely different places. I don't mind advertising in newspapers because it's not obtrusive. If there was a lovely 30 second ad track for every 5 minutes of music, I would be annoyed, basically I'm just listening to the radio, but I've paid for the content. In the era of computers, with MP3s being on virtually every home computer, CD burners in 2 out of 5, and media costing 50 cents or less, there is little doubt that copying is more prevalent now than it was in the 80s with cassettes. However, copying CDs that you own legally to give to your friends shouldn't be...isn't illegal. Downloading music and burning that, with no one getting compensation, is illegal...though I'll be the first to admit this is one of my uses of CDR media.
For anyone interested, the ebuild mentioned on bugs.gentoo.org does work fine, though for some reason it doesn't install VMWare 3.1 as it says, but rather VMWare 3.0. My only beef with it is that it uses the /opt tree, which from the Gentoo developers docs it's not supposed to do.
root@quark bin # emerge vmware
Calculating dependencies !!! Couldn't find match for vmware; aborting.
apparently it's not in the rsync yet, thanks for the info I'll check it out now.
After having a quick look at the man pages myself, you appear to be correct. /etc/suauth has a manpage that documents the format. Here's a oneliner to do what you want:
root:ALL EXCEPT GROUP root:DENY
This will deny anyone except people in group "root" from su-ing to root. This file is alot more robust, you should probably read the manpage for (man 5 suauth) it.
As for the "wheel" group, that's a BSDism, and is simply the way things are done in the *BSD distros, I have no idea where the name comes from.
Do you not consider disk space a resource. In my world it is quite limited, and expensive. I'd rather not have an extra 200MB of stuff I'll never use installed. As an aside, I don't need sendmail running on my workstation, nor do I need any of the RPC services that alot of distros *still* install by default. LPR also comes to mind, and is horribly insecure. Apache is another popular one, though not as bad. I realize that RH is targeted towards servers (and yeah I'm biased, I've only ever spent time on other people's RH boxen, found the experience horrifying), but there are workstation options in the install program, these should install a minimal set of tools, and a decent X package manager for adding more stuff, rather than filling up your HD with a bunch of fud.
Yeah I realize you're a troll, but I need to counter your point.
One of the first steps is configuring the flags your C or C++ compiler will get when it compiles the packages. Adding the -march=i686 flag to every source file compiled makes the compiler use Intel's extended instruction set or more recent CPUs. Most binary distrobutions are compiled for vanilla i386 hardware, and will run on 486s and older Pentiums that don't have MMX/SSE enhancments. Yes, it doesn't make all that much of a difference, but it does allow you to squeeze a little more out of the system, and in some cases leads to smaller binaries. The other factor, as you mentioned, is that unlike RH, MDK and the like, it doesn't install loads of services that eat up your resources that you never use. The very last point, is that aside from LFS, it's probably the only distro I'm aware of where you *don't* have an install program do everything for you, so it's all done Your Way. Yeah compiling takes a loooonnng time, but it's an interesting experience, and I find it to be more stable and faster than a comparable Debian install, of course for many, the 24hr+ compile time to set up a decent X workstation may make it out of the question.
su is protected in the same way as with BSD distros. You must be a member of the "wheel" group to use the su utility. Simply edit /etc/group and include yourself in this group, and all will be well again :)
Same goes for audio, cdrw drives etc, you must be a member of the appropriate group to write to the device.
I'm now running Gentoo (installed it this weekend). Was running Debian 2.2r5. Gentoo is markedly faster, and definitely more up to date (how long was it gonna take Debian to release KDE3 packages, even in unstable). I'm now running an entirely source based, KDE3 workstation, and it only took about 24 hours to compile everything *laugh*. If you've got time, and are comfortable with a command line, Gentoo seems to be a very nice distro so far. The portage utility is superb, though most of the setup of the machine is done by hand (read: know what you're doing first), it's well worth it. The only beef I had was that it doesn't use the SysV /etc/init.d/rc.d for startup, so VMWare was kinda a pain to get working.
Overall, a very well done distro, but it does have some issues, and you really do need to know your way around to get it going.
A word of advice, make sure /var has lots of space, as portage uses /var/tmp for compiling. I made the mistake of not making a seperate partition for /var, and making / only 300MB. Bombed about halfway through compiling XFree, and I had to start from scratch again. If you must make /var small, use the PORTAGE_TMPDIR variable to specify where you want it to compile in, otherwise you'll run into problems.
Bleeding edge is nice, but I'd still consider Debian my distro of choice for anything other than my home machine which I don't really care about. Too much potential for problems.
Good Luck
If you actually read the instructions and help, the Debian install is quite simple, and insanely flexible. I managed to get slackware working with absolutely no *nix experience, back in the 3.x days. The installer was horrid, but there was a fair bit of help included. Bottom line, the Debian installer may not be the simplest, but how many people can attest to getting more (or less) than they wanted when they installed with Mandrake or RH. The Debian installer is flexible, which allows it to suit much more situations than the simple "I'm a Windows user and I want to try Linux" type install. Perhaps the Debian developers need to work on a "I'm a newbie and I need help with this type approach". Personally I find the RH and Mandrake distributions to be glossy and too "usability" based for my tastes. They sacrifice quality for looks, the same issues we're having with games these days (as mentioned in a /. article yesterday). In short, the Debian installer is very good, it allows all sorts of cool stuff, including manually selecting exactly what you want on your system. It might take a bit more reading and time than installing a similar Mandrake setup, but once it's up, it's easy to update, and very stable (I run from unstable, and the only problems I have are with the KDE packages for some reason, mainly KMail, the stable versions run fine).
I don't suggest Debian as a person's first distro, it can be confusing at times, especially when things aren't configured how you want (I still have problems getting blackbox to save my global menu file persistently through updates), but once you get a hang of the CLI and an idea of what you need, it's a good distro to migrate to if you feel cramped by Mandrake.
Well if you think about it per clock, 900MHzx7=6300Mhz 6300Mhzx15days=94500 94500x24hx60mx60s=8164800000 cycles in 15 days 200MHzx365days=73000 73000x24hx60ms60s=6307200000 So in fact, you're P200 did more work per clock than your Duron 900s. Scary isn't it :P.
My suggestion would be to download the debian netinstall ISO (if you have a cd burner). IIRC, it's about 16MB. You boot off the cd, install a minimalist linux system, configure your 'net connection (it can do ppp, or ethernet) and download the packages you want from there. It may be a problem if your connection drops during the install, so my suggestion would be to install a very minimalist setup, and apt-get what you need after it's installed. This is what I used to set up my machine, and rather than downloading the 650MB ISO (I do have a 2.5mbit DSL connection, mind you), I only had to get about 250MB worth of packages. I did miss a few things, but these were easily installed with apt-get afterwards. The BSDs, while a great choice for servers, I don't particularly like on a desktop machine. My reasons include lack of driver support, poor software support (in comparison), and lots of hacking to compile some stuff that YOU must have (ie your favorite, non standard MUA, etc). If there's a port availiable, all is fine and dandy, however if not you'll often run into problems, as most stuff is native on Linux. I also had insane instability problems while using X in FreeBSD on Athlon/Duron CPUs using the KT133 chipset. I don't know if this is a bug in the kernel (the version i used was 4.4), X or what, but it was definitely annoying having kernel panics every few hours while in the middle of a project in X. Console was fine however.
?? Woody ships with X 4.1.0, which was recently (within the past couple of days) updated in the APT database to 4.2.0. Runs flawlessly. As a side note, I was recently looking for a decent desktop distro, tried RH7.2, the install size was almost 2GB...my Debian install was a little over 250MB right after install, missed a few libs/tools, but that was easily rectified with a few apt-get's. 250MB with X, blackbox, KDE, Gnome, and E, plus a bunch of tools. Of course I've manually bloated it now with Quake 3 etc, but Debian is definitely the best (binary based...) desktop distro. I'm interested in trying some of the source distros (GenToo and Sorecery), simply because my servers are strictly Slackware boxes trimmed down with hand compiled source for everything. Unfortunately I don't have a test box to devote to Source distros right now, so I guess I have to cope with nice binary based Debian.
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What I don't understand is why AOL created their own (proprietary I might add) protocol for their network (or at least why they continue to use one...). TCP/IP can easily do everything their network does, coupled with a decent web browser and a search domain, typing the "keyword" into your AOL program (standard web browser) will bring up pornfreaks.keywords.aol.com or something that could point to a well coded DHTML or Flash or whatever site. Why do all these people that create proprietary stuff when there are open standards that do the same thing make money? Utilize existing technology to do something new, I'm sure they could make alot more money that way anyways, more userbase is good isn't it. Totally away from the point of this post, but isn't the consumer market migrating away from services like AOL anyhow, everything is availiable on the general internet now, and with broadband becoming the norm, why bother with badly coded software? I work at a (normal) ISP, and whenever someone installs the AOL sofware, it fubars the Windows TCP/IP stack. And if my guess is correct, AOL doesn't have a huge market share, though they have by far the biggest market share. In other words, maybe 10% of Internet users use AOL, the other 90% are spread across local ISP and such (these numbers are arbitrary). When will these monopolistic companies get the picture that people don't like being pushed around (at least people who know anything...)
Sometimes it's just not that easy. Somehow I find it hard to believe that a majority of these clueless users is running Debian, probably RH and Cobalt mostly (both based off the same code...). For the rest of us, apt-get is fine if you use Debian, but if you can figure out Debian's horrid package system, I'm sure you can install SSH from source. RH does have up2date (I'm assuming Cobalt does too), but it'll probably be a week or two before any of these package databases are update. Debian may be an exception, I only use it for a workstation running no services at all so I don't know how fast they update it, RH however seems to be quite slow in releasing new binaries/binary patches for distros. In comparison to M$ though it's nothing. This comment also completely ignores the fact that alot of people who are partially clueless may have had their box setup by someone else, or been helped through a source install, regardless of distro. (I've personally helped 4 or 5 people in the office install SSH, of course I'll notify them of this 'sploit however) This is the biggest problem I have with packages and binary distros, whatever package system is implemented becomes useless the moment you install from source, and often will in fact BREAK the php/apache setup you had working so well when it tries to update a package you forgot to exclude.