I have to admit that's the best font-making account I've heard, and that it inspire me a lot of respect (or pity?;-) ) for those who made such tremendous amount of work.
Quote: it's not as if he needs to sit down in front of his screen and busy
himself with the notoriously arduous task of hacking out a few lines of
software, which, astonishingly, is something he has never done in the short
but spectacular history of Netscape Communications Corporation [...] Not a
single line of computer code. Never.
It's 'research', they are trying out stuff. See those things as toys.
If you can't see the fun and nifty in this, you're probably not some kind of 'hacker', whatever your strong discipline might be.
And yes, Google sells access to their database as a web service, but of course it's not the 'raw' access to the database (and it would probably be pretty useless to have raw access anyway). Finally, if you *really* want access to their DB, give them a call and ask for a price: I'm sure you could set up something with them if you offer the right price.
if you've ever done a basic microeconomy class you would know that it is probably true. Risk reduce offer, which make the price increase. No risk would probably means price would go down, but the consumption won't go up since demand is inelastical [sp?] in the case of recreative drugs. The phenomenon you describe ("sucking it up") is exactly that, inelasticity.
sorry if I don't make much sense, I feel my English vocabulary about economics quite lacking.
Just to make everthing clear, 'Legacy' was the term used by Lieberman in his talk. I think he means that if you want to use something new (or different), everything you used before and that you still have to support can be considered as 'legacy'.
Wow, the 2nd millenium sure is moving fast!
No, it's just that its regression is beginning to slow down.
* Sharpening the parentheses: bringing Lisp ideas to programming the Web
Henry Lieberman of MIT Multimedia Lab.
Henry Lieberman said that Lisp is indeed good for web programming, but people seem to prefer sharp parentheses () to round ones. If you can use Lisp, you should -- he said, -- but sometimes, you're constrained: you have to accept legacy XML documents and XSLT stylesheets. His solution: design a programming language with an XML syntax. He went on to describe a programming language, . As it turns out, XML syntax is indeed unsuitable for a programming language. So, the Language 'Water' uses some kind of a simplified XML syntax. The language is not Lisp either -- neither in notation (which is infix), nor in semantics. It looks a lot like a Javascript. Programs in the Water language can run either on a server, or on the client, in a browser plug-in.
This talk left several people puzzled: at first the author said he wanted to use XML because it's popular, and Lisp because it's a good language. He ended up using neither. BTW, Water requires a license for a commercial use. I drew two conclusions: first, we need to advertise SXML better. SXML can do everything Water does -- and can do more and better. I also need to look up Henry Lieberman's slides, which say "Web community blew the web programming" and "web programming collapses under its own weight." Imagine a slide: Henry Lieberman, a colleague of Tim Berners-Lee, says: "Web programming is collapsing under its own weight." We need to save it.
I wanted to talk with Henry Lieberman and point out that there is another way to assure interoperability with the XML culture. Rather than translating Lisp to XML, we can translate XML and XML tools into Lisp. That's what the SXML talk was all about. I didn't catch him. The conference schedule didn't leave much time for discussions. Anyway, SXML ideas are timely, we are not doing worse than other people -- and perhaps better.
My overall impression from that talk is disappointment: I thought people at MIT media lab can design better languages than I do.
D'oh! I don't. Well, I've heard of it but never came close to it. I think I'm too young;-)
But thanks for your reply. I think RPG makes pretty good rants. Even if you can't always agree with him, he always say things that makes you think: a cool recent quote of him that I like is "Strong typing is for weak mind".:-)
But damn I agree. Perl zealot needs not apply: I've been there, I learned, I understood, I realized nothing good is coming from there.
CGI.pm --> the way to generate HTML documents? wtf, the function names are even more verbose than typing in tags directly. That's why people will always embed html in print statements in Perl. My eyes still hurts just remembering how f***ing painful Perl is sometimes.
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I just skipped the article and headed in here to read the comments. No 'cool scientific papers' for me ;)
That must be why you make such an insignificant contribution to the discussion.
No. The key they are looking for isn't stored on the Xbox.
for me, ``hitability'' doesn't mean the same at all.
Reading the title made me wonder if a computer was able to do some kind of ``Hot or Not'' evaluation of a picture.
With all their beady little eyes,
And flappin heads so full of lies.
Sorry for that racist comment.
I like it.
When they are younger, it's easier to mold their minds.
Way to go for Linux world domination.
I guess the house would come with some sort of default code to enter it, and 50% of people wouldn't change it out of lazyness.
I have to admit that's the best font-making account I've heard, and that ;-) ) for those who made such
it inspire me a lot of respect (or pity?
tremendous amount of work.
PS- Comic Sans MS still sucks.
Amen to all of this. VB is a great tool to quickly show someone something that doesn't work.
Searched the web for evil.
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capitalize on other's work!
It's the easiest way to success.
Details here.
Quote: it's not as if he needs to sit down in front of his screen and busy himself with the notoriously arduous task of hacking out a few lines of software, which, astonishingly, is something he has never done in the short but spectacular history of Netscape Communications Corporation [...] Not a single line of computer code. Never.
Quotes ? Previews ?
Quite useless if you ask me.
Useless but fun!
It's 'research', they are trying out stuff. See those things as toys.
If you can't see the fun and nifty in this, you're probably not some kind of 'hacker', whatever your strong discipline might be.
And yes, Google sells access to their database as a web service, but of course it's not the 'raw' access to the database (and it would probably be pretty useless to have raw access anyway). Finally, if you *really* want access to their DB, give them a call and ask for a price: I'm sure you could set up something with them if you offer the right price.
if you've ever done a basic microeconomy class you would know that it is probably true. Risk reduce offer, which make the price increase. No risk would probably means price would go down, but the consumption won't go up since demand is inelastical [sp?] in the case of recreative drugs. The phenomenon you describe ("sucking it up") is exactly that, inelasticity.
sorry if I don't make much sense, I feel my English vocabulary about economics quite lacking.
Did I sense irony? :-)
But my infinite loops runs *so* fast!
And what would I do without my precious core dumps?
I can't trust the computer to manage his memory!
Who cares about algorithms if the language is fast?
I could not live without '\0' delimited strings!
Strong typing sucks. Dynamic typing sucks. I like my types to have no purpose other than sizing the fields in memory.
Error control and safety are for wimps.
Macros should be dumb text substitution tools.
What about: I write Lisp compilers for a living?
Poor soul.
Impossible. C, itself, is a bad habit.
Damn true, using C for other thing than low-level stuff really is a bad habit.
Boehm GC can't do much with C.
I find it somewhat ironic that you make claims like that, and that you write a memory management HOWTO at the same time.
But eh, keep hacking at that square wheel.
/me set the BS flag up.
Radioactive stuff is mostly used to follow something you ingest, or an injection.
I really can't see the use of a powerful, radioactive drug taken every 6 months.
Though I might be wrong, I have serious doubt.
Ah thanks!
I misunderstod the meaning of 'system' in his affirmation. Quite interesting stuff.
... in order to have a Turing-complete system you need at least 3 loops on top of each other.
Man please give me the phone number of your dealer: I want whatever you're smoking.
Just to make everthing clear, 'Legacy' was the term used by Lieberman in his talk. I think he means that if you want to use something new (or different), everything you used before and that you still have to support can be considered as 'legacy'.
Wow, the 2nd millenium sure is moving fast!
No, it's just that its regression is beginning to slow down.
From: http://pobox.com/~oleg/ftp/papers/ILC02-impression s.txt
* Sharpening the parentheses: bringing Lisp ideas to programming the Web
Henry Lieberman of MIT Multimedia Lab.
Henry Lieberman said that Lisp is indeed good for web
programming, but people seem to prefer sharp parentheses () to round
ones. If you can use Lisp, you should -- he said, -- but sometimes,
you're constrained: you have to accept legacy XML documents and XSLT
stylesheets. His solution: design a programming language with an XML
syntax. He went on to describe a programming language,
. As it turns out, XML syntax is indeed
unsuitable for a programming language. So, the Language 'Water' uses
some kind of a simplified XML syntax. The language is not Lisp either
-- neither in notation (which is infix), nor in semantics. It looks a
lot like a Javascript. Programs in the Water language can run either
on a server, or on the client, in a browser plug-in.
This talk left several people puzzled: at first the author
said he wanted to use XML because it's popular, and Lisp because it's
a good language. He ended up using neither. BTW, Water requires a
license for a commercial use. I drew two conclusions: first, we need
to advertise SXML better. SXML can do everything Water does -- and can
do more and better. I also need to look up Henry Lieberman's slides,
which say "Web community blew the web programming" and "web
programming collapses under its own weight." Imagine a slide: Henry
Lieberman, a colleague of Tim Berners-Lee, says: "Web programming is
collapsing under its own weight." We need to save it.
I wanted to talk with Henry Lieberman and point out that there
is another way to assure interoperability with the XML culture. Rather
than translating Lisp to XML, we can translate XML and XML tools into
Lisp. That's what the SXML talk was all about. I didn't catch him. The
conference schedule didn't leave much time for discussions. Anyway,
SXML ideas are timely, we are not doing worse than other people -- and
perhaps better.
My overall impression from that talk is disappointment: I
thought people at MIT media lab can design better languages than I do.
Remember Genera, or the other LispM OSes?
;-)
:-)
D'oh! I don't. Well, I've heard of it but never came close to it. I think I'm too young
But thanks for your reply. I think RPG makes pretty good rants. Even if you can't always agree with him, he always say things that makes you think: a cool recent quote of him that I like is "Strong typing is for weak mind".
Score 4: funny?
I'd say: Score 5: tragic.
But damn I agree. Perl zealot needs not apply: I've been there, I learned, I understood, I realized nothing good is coming from there.
CGI.pm --> the way to generate HTML documents? wtf, the function names are even more verbose than typing in tags directly. That's why people will always embed html in print statements in Perl. My eyes still hurts just remembering how f***ing painful Perl is sometimes.
Oh my god, what a fuckin twart he is. Using Windows-style backslashes in an URL in a message talking about ``crappy proprietary "enhancements"''.
People like you make our life miserable.
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