Its the parents job to be responsible for their child and what their child gets to see or play. No one elses. What is wholesome to you may not be seen as wholesome to other members of this community you are saying should take part of the parents job raising our children. As a parent, I understand and partially agree with some of your points. But ultimately if your the store clerk who tells my kid he can't and shouldn't have a game/movie/song and I have given him permission, expect a confrontation. I would hope everyone involved isn't very stressed because it could get ugly. Don't get me wrong, I have been the person who has gone up to a strange child at a park playground to tell them if I see them hit one more kid with that stick that I will put my hands on him, and no one wants this to happen. But his mother was watching, she should have already beat his ass since 2 of his victims had already told her what was going on NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT SHE WAS WATCHING IT! Her response to me, "I can't because that is CPS(Child Protective Services) over there." While pointing at some figure 2 blocks away sitting under a park pavilion. I took my kids home shortly afterwards. Fuck the government's attempts to protect me from me. Any parent who isn't raising their child by my standards is boldly obvious by their child's behavior. I would never trust the community with 1% of my children's upbringing.
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"Linux: vi, emacs, pico, gedit, OpenOffice.org, etc. Which one should I use to type up a grocery list?"
Windows: edit, wordpad, notepad, Word, acrobat, wordperfect, acrobat, openoffice.org. Type your grocery list in any or all of them.
The linux approach to "keeping the icons the same" is through the various toolkits. gtk, qt, ewl to name a few. You think that they are ugly, I think that windows is ugly.
"The problem is that I could use any of those programs to write a grocery list, and most if not all of those programs come preloaded with most Linux distros. But they all use very different interfaces."
So what? Pick 1 learn its ugly interface and move on, thats what everyone did with windows.
"Everything from big differences like GUI/non-GUI and the coice of KDE/Gnome/Enlightenment/(all the others) to little things like different toolbar icons for nearly every program makes Linux different and ugly."
Talking about the Linux Desktop gui is assumed. If choice is ugly Chevy wouldn't have different colors on the same models, or different modles for that matter. 1 size fits all only in Redmond. Little things? Cmon, I think your confusing ugly with new and unrecognizable since you have admitted that you don't use a linux desktop this is understandable.
"And different = difficult"
A Desktop Computer is typicaly a personal computer. I don't care if my computer is difficult for you to use. If this is an enterprise desktop deployment, I say learn it or get another job. I can do that since I am the boss.
"Not to mention installing new software."
Software manufactures need to do a better job. This is a huge hinderance to Linux Desktop adoption.
"Will I have to compile the source?"
Luckly with FOSS that is an option, and one that works %99 of the time. Try that with a failed windows install.
"Will there be a text-based script to run?"
If so the GUI should run it.
"Will a nice GUI pop up and guide me?"
Next, Next, Next, Next, Accept, Next...Finish. I have never thought that windows has had a "nice gui" to guide software installation. But thats just me.
"Do I have the right permissions to install this software?"
In windows everyone has the right permissions to install any software. Again the software developers need to do a better job. The most difficult issue that I see is cross distro packaging. I think that gentoo's portage is best positioned to fix this. Unfortunatly their developers don't seem to what to have much to do with binary packaging. If someone can get portage to convert between the many binary package types (example: rpm emerged.tbz) this could give all distribution packagers(i.e.software manufactures) a single development and package building tool(i.e.portage). They may then use their distro's installer's gui to install the binary package. This is only not a problem with the different windows OS's because they are all neerly identical.
"I'm tech-literate, yet I choose to use Windows for everyday stuff like web browsing, email, chatting, research, word processing, etc. No, I don't use some obscure Windows-only program daily. Linux can do everything I need it to do, but I don't use it because it's ugly, inconsistent and a pain to use."
Saying something like that is a great way to lose any credibility your comments might have.
"This is why Linux is never going to be a widely adopted desktop OS."
I assume you know what they say about assumptions.
"If you guys want Linux to be as widely used as Windows and OSX you have to standardize."
Standardize what? The look? The feel? The administration tools?
"a standard set of applications." Applications? What's unstandard about the avaliable linux desktop applications? I think you might mean A set of applications exactily like Windows OR OSX since the ones I am thinking of are not standard across those OSs.
"unless there is a solid and unified environment behind it (like Windows and OSX) Linux is never going to go anywhere on the desktop." Like windows? Windows and the word solid shouldn't be put into the same sentance unless that sentance is: "Windows is very much unlike a solid terd since it barly ever holds together while afloat"
Portage is not limited to source only package mangagement.Nothing is preventing anyone from doing, say a: Bintoo(tm) binary system and manageing it with portage.
Yes the portage tree provided by gentoo is mostly source based ebuilds. But it is most certianly user friendly.
There is nothing stopping someone from building everypackage in the tree(think what every other distro is doing) and creating a portage tree with only the ebuilds to install these prebuilt binary packages(think apt-get). The fact that portage is so flexible and ebuilds so simple is why gentoo is popular.
So your claim to fame as an abnormal person who uses gentoo isn't shaded by the fact that your wrong. Gentoo portage is user friendly. Building entire systems from source however is not pleasurable for most non portage fans.
Quit yappin and checkout e17 from cvs and help innovate.
Or help the rox desktop project. Or help fix X11 some. Sheesh, OSX is nice and all but I don't think that apple moving to a different processor is going to change FOSS very much.
I bought my powerbook for the hardware. Put linux on it, and use it for my day to day development on cheap x86's. Apple is not going to have cheap x86's. They will have sexy hardware that comes with their latest OS installed. Whoever is heavily involved in linux and FOSS development either wants cheap comodity hardware to put in a closet or their software can more than likly be ported to build on OSx86 with out much headache.
"The best you can hope for is that it's something you can work around"
You obviously practice what youv'e preached here. I don't care if you can fix the code or not either. I do care that I *can* fix the code If I do so feel like it. I report bugs too. Even though I don't always try to fix the problem, I don't care if my patches do get put into the program because the software is Free for me to build using MY OWN Fixes, alterations, patches, bugs etc etc...
That is exactly my point. Not only can I not fix bugs in IE for the maintainer but I cannot fix them for myself.
"Let's discuss how sucky Internet Explorer is and cover up all the flaws in competitor browsers"."
No, it is not lets cover up all the flaws. Its lets fix them. See thats the great thing about Free(!tm) Software. Anyone one who gets annoyed enough at the flaws, and it doesn't matter if its 20 years later, can FIX them. But yea, lets discuss how sucky IE is because NOONE can(read:will) fix it. But they can write their own programs that detect the problems in it. Nice tool!
Do like everyone else does. Start at the bottom and WORK your way up. You can work for cheap. Cash too! Get a summer job scratching a programmers back and fetching him coffee for $0.25/hr. Ask plenty of questions and show him your crappy code. Next summer mabe you will get minimum wage.
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They should require all ventrillio/team-speak server admins to empower them to tap in as well. all your communications are belong to us!
I wish there were a bus here.
A bus with wireless!
I could use a fridge in the office also.
Then, I would have the best job!
# anything elseif?
This is what happens when the devil jacks off.
Its the parents job to be responsible for their child and what their child gets to see or play. No one elses.
What is wholesome to you may not be seen as wholesome to other members of this community you are saying should take part of the parents job raising our children. As a parent, I understand and partially agree with some of your points. But ultimately if your the store clerk who tells my kid he can't and shouldn't have a game/movie/song and I have given him permission, expect a confrontation.
I would hope everyone involved isn't very stressed because it could get ugly.
Don't get me wrong, I have been the person who has gone up to a strange child at a park playground to tell them if I see them hit one more kid with that stick that I will put my hands on him, and no one wants this to happen. But his mother was watching, she should have already beat his ass since 2 of his victims had already told her what was going on NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT SHE WAS WATCHING IT! Her response to me, "I can't because that is CPS(Child Protective Services) over there." While pointing at some figure 2 blocks away sitting under a park pavilion. I took my kids home shortly afterwards.
Fuck the government's attempts to protect me from me. Any parent who isn't raising their child by my standards is boldly obvious by their child's behavior. I would never trust the community with 1% of my children's upbringing.
"invasive species are killed off in hurricanes easily "
Then please explain Louisiana's problem with chicken trees(i.e. tallowtree).
Missing from theses "potential" solutions is using the hurricane against itself.
The best offence *is* a good defence.
Mabe a huge vortex tube could do it!
not only commercial use, "Use of AVG Free Edition within any organization or for commercial purposes is strictly prohibited."
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duh
Lack of a chineese bank account?
Genocide to the Caps lock key!
Is SUN is the only one truly with a clue about the keyboard?
"Linux: vi, emacs, pico, gedit, OpenOffice.org, etc. Which one should I use to type up a grocery list?"
Windows: edit, wordpad, notepad, Word, acrobat, wordperfect, acrobat, openoffice.org. Type your grocery list in any or all of them.
The linux approach to "keeping the icons the same" is through the various toolkits. gtk, qt, ewl to name a few. You think that they are ugly, I think that windows is ugly.
"The problem is that I could use any of those programs to write a grocery list, and most if not all of those programs come preloaded with most Linux distros. But they all use very different interfaces."
So what? Pick 1 learn its ugly interface and move on, thats what everyone did with windows.
"Everything from big differences like GUI/non-GUI and the coice of KDE/Gnome/Enlightenment/(all the others) to little things like different toolbar icons for nearly every program makes Linux different and ugly."
Talking about the Linux Desktop gui is assumed.
If choice is ugly Chevy wouldn't have different colors on the same models, or different modles for that matter. 1 size fits all only in Redmond. Little things? Cmon, I think your confusing ugly with new and unrecognizable since you have admitted that you don't use a linux desktop this is understandable.
"And different = difficult"
A Desktop Computer is typicaly a personal computer. I don't care if my computer is difficult for you to use. If this is an enterprise desktop deployment, I say learn it or get another job. I can do that since I am the boss.
"Not to mention installing new software."
Software manufactures need to do a better job.
This is a huge hinderance to Linux Desktop adoption.
"Will I have to compile the source?"
Luckly with FOSS that is an option, and one that works %99 of the time. Try that with a failed windows install.
"Will there be a text-based script to run?"
If so the GUI should run it.
"Will a nice GUI pop up and guide me?"
Next, Next, Next, Next, Accept, Next...Finish.
I have never thought that windows has had a "nice gui" to guide software installation. But thats just me.
"Do I have the right permissions to install this software?"
In windows everyone has the right permissions to install any software.
Again the software developers need to do a better job. The most difficult issue that I see is cross distro packaging. I think that gentoo's portage is best positioned to fix this. Unfortunatly their developers don't seem to what to have much to do with binary packaging. If someone can get portage to convert between the many binary package types (example: rpm emerged.tbz)
this could give all distribution packagers(i.e.software manufactures) a single development and package building tool(i.e.portage). They may then use their distro's installer's gui to install the binary package. This is only not a problem with the different windows OS's because they are all neerly identical.
"I'm tech-literate, yet I choose to use Windows for everyday stuff like web browsing, email, chatting, research, word processing, etc. No, I don't use some obscure Windows-only program daily. Linux can do everything I need it to do, but I don't use it because it's ugly, inconsistent and a pain to use."
Saying something like that is a great way to lose any credibility your comments might have.
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Please spare me from the Anonymous Cowards' drivle.
Cheers,
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"This is why Linux is never going to be a widely adopted desktop OS."
I assume you know what they say about assumptions.
"If you guys want Linux to be as widely used as Windows and OSX you have to standardize."
Standardize what? The look? The feel? The administration tools?
"a standard set of applications."
Applications? What's unstandard about the avaliable linux desktop applications?
I think you might mean A set of applications exactily like Windows OR OSX since the ones I am thinking of are not standard across those OSs.
"unless there is a solid and unified environment behind it (like Windows and OSX) Linux is never going to go anywhere on the desktop."
Like windows? Windows and the word solid shouldn't be put into the same sentance unless that sentance is: "Windows is very much unlike a solid terd since it barly ever holds together while afloat"
I don't agree. IMO the updater is not neerly as fast as vanilla-bittorrent.
Buy the software and give them the bill.
You might not know it but (g)vim can be installed onto windows too.
ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/pc/gvim63.exe
Portage is not limited to source only package mangagement.Nothing is preventing anyone from doing, say a: Bintoo(tm) binary system and manageing it with portage.
Yes the portage tree provided by gentoo is mostly source based ebuilds.
But it is most certianly user friendly.
There is nothing stopping someone from building everypackage in the tree(think what every other distro is doing) and creating a portage tree with only the ebuilds to install these prebuilt binary packages(think apt-get).
The fact that portage is so flexible and ebuilds so simple is why gentoo is popular.
So your claim to fame as an abnormal person who uses gentoo isn't shaded by the fact that your wrong. Gentoo portage is user friendly. Building entire systems from source however is not pleasurable for most non portage fans.
Quit yappin and checkout e17 from cvs and help innovate.
Or help the rox desktop project.
Or help fix X11 some.
Sheesh, OSX is nice and all but I don't think that apple moving to a different processor is going to change FOSS very much.
I bought my powerbook for the hardware. Put linux on it, and use it for my day to day development on cheap x86's. Apple is not going to have cheap x86's. They will have sexy hardware that comes with their latest OS installed. Whoever is heavily involved in linux and FOSS development either wants cheap comodity hardware to put in a closet or their software can more than likly be ported to build on OSx86 with out much headache.
Since the developer kit is shipping with a pentium 4, I suspect what ever intel makes avaliable at top speed.
or the New Orleans Saints winning a Super Bowl.
"The best you can hope for is that it's something you can work around"
You obviously practice what youv'e preached here.
I don't care if you can fix the code or not either.
I do care that I *can* fix the code If I do so feel like it.
I report bugs too. Even though I don't always try to fix the problem, I don't care if my patches do get put into the program because the software is Free for me to build using MY OWN Fixes, alterations, patches, bugs etc etc...
That is exactly my point. Not only can I not fix bugs in IE for the maintainer but I cannot fix them for myself.
"Let's discuss how sucky Internet Explorer is and cover up all the flaws in competitor browsers"."
No, it is not lets cover up all the flaws. Its lets fix them. See thats the great thing about Free(!tm) Software. Anyone one who gets annoyed enough at the flaws, and it doesn't matter if its 20 years later, can FIX them. But yea, lets discuss how sucky IE is because NOONE can(read:will) fix it.
But they can write their own programs that detect the problems in it. Nice tool!
Do like everyone else does. Start at the bottom and WORK your way up. You can work for cheap. Cash too!
Get a summer job scratching a programmers back and fetching him coffee for $0.25/hr.
Ask plenty of questions and show him your crappy code. Next summer mabe you will get minimum wage.