I would argue that any sufficently designed sandbox game comes with some potentially contraversial content.
Yes, sandbox games come with some POTENTIALLY contraversy the issue is HOW you go about presenting this.
Yes in the Civilization games you could rule as a fascist and purposely kill of the entire civilian population of a race/culture/city/nation. The difference between the Civilization games and the GTA series is the fact that YOU CANNOT PROGRESS THROUGH THE GAME as a "good guy". There will be missions where you MUST kill someone, you MUST steal something, where you MUST break the law in someway, shape or form. Yes you can do the vigilante or do the ambulance side-missions, but lets face it, they're basicly nothing more than mini-games. You're not gonna get a tank or access to all the cars just for doing those mission.
Same with the Sim games, you COULD have a gay couple, but the game doesn't jam it down your throat saying 'if you want to progress, you MUST cheat on your husband with another woman.' There is no 'you MUST start a fire while cooking and kill the husband in order to access a bigger piece of land' mission. Contraversial content in those games are artifically created BY THE PLAYERS.
GTA breaks the traditional rules by making it IMPOSSIBLE to be 'the good guy'. Unless you SERIOUSLY twist the context, its impossible to justify any missions that goes on within the game as legal.
The whole report is really a 'how to install' guide in order to attract attention. Since the device isn't public (yet), theres almost no real world testing (Mario Kart DS isn't even out yet). Unless you're curious about the system requirements (Mac users need not apply), theres nothing of real interest.
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as soon as you have a more or less closed system (bio-sphere anyone?) that only requires a little energy from external sources.. you can send generation ships..
No, you can worry about self-contained bio-spheres AFTER getting the ships out of the planet's atmosphere. The problem of getting cargo into outer space is the number one issue at this point in time. A bio-sphere isn't too hard to designed and built by college students. (Hydroponic farms anyone? Water for the plants and astronauts, plants will grow all necessary food, carbon dioxide is recycled through the plants and back into oxygen. Solar power for electronic devices. You'd have to be a vegetarian but thats a small price to pay to be a space pioneer.)
This is going to be just another standard fare stealth-shooter that happens to be in the StarCraft universe.
Thats my whole point. How long does it take to create a stealth/shooter in a universe like Starcraft? Other than a making new game engine/licensing a FPS geared engine, porting the graphics and designing the gameplay, it shouldn't take more than 4 years.
Building new game engine, 2~3 years. If using licensed one, 1~2 years. porting graphics, 6~18 months. Implementing and testing gameplay, 6~12 months. Less if they decide to just mimic a previous style of stealth-shooter gameplay (Splinter Cell, MGS, Thief...) Time to completition: 2~5.5 years.
Given the fact that they're now starting to push into their FIFTH year, you really have to question whats going on in the development. (They development started around 2001.)
Maybe he's referring to handhelds since they break away from the "video games = must be played on TV screen" ideology. After all video games have always been heavily restricted from mobility before the Gameboy (PCs were immobile until laptops, consoles until recently needed a TV or 3rd party mini-screen add-on and arcade games and mobility are like oxymorons.)
Anything over 18 months is wasted money in game development.
I wouldn't really say that, but given the fact that the game was supposed to come out late '03, early '04, you really have to question just how much money was wasted after all this time. Other than nailing down the gameplay, everything else is more or less rearranged for them. (Just mimic the art from Starcraft, copy and paste Starcraft units and characters, stealth based games have been done already so build on those and the storyline for Starcraft: Ghost was more or less laid down years ago.)
Other than the fact that Blizzard hasn't made a FPS or third-person shooter before, theres no reason why this game should be in development for so long. This isn't even Diablo 2 where you could justify the delays with new items and improving on the netcode.
As for developers having a server center, depending on the popularity/success of the game, most developers lack the resources to handle huge loads. Don't forget that PC developers get away with this by having players host their own mirrors and console games such as Halo 2 or Splinter Cell more or less get special treatment due to the fact that Microsoft KNOWS it'll be a hit.
Mighty interesting to get a first-hand account from an irate shop owner. Thanks SilverSnake!
So a report from one shop owner suddenly applies to massive retailers and small retailers globally? I'll believe it when I hear a similar report coming from Wal-Mart, Target or EBGames (or whatever they're called now).
For all we know, Microsoft simply wants this one retailer to sign to this agreement because they ordered an unusually high number.
frees developers from being trapped in the proprietary world of a central service, meaning that developers have a GREATER incentive to develop network content for the PS3 than for the Xbox 360.
Yeah, this also leaves developers with having to pay for all the extra costs of running their own server farm since Sony is too cheap and lazy to do so for them. Why not just pay the extra fee and have Xbox Live host their online gaming? Xbox Live has been successful in the past and the PS2 online has been a total piece of crap, shunned and ignored outside of Japan (an even then its success in Japan is argued as being unique to the country).
and, unlike the Xbox 360, will not require users to subscribe to an online gaming service.
The Xbox 360 will give users a free Silver account if they buy just the 'core' package. Sony has yet to top that.
"Sony customer support. You want to uninstall our DRM software? Ok, whats your name? Address? City and state? Zip? Ok, please wait while we submit your information to local law enforcement."
Very nice but, why not put that screen to good use and run some tournaments on it? That'd be a good way to attact people even if the games they'll demonstrate are just ported from the Xbox.
No offense, but did you even play WC3: Frozen Throne? Almost half of the entire single player campaign involved the Blood Elves (it basicly chronicals their fall from favor, to breaking away from the humans, to the siding with Naga and running away through the Dark Portal.) As for the Dranei as far as the Warcraft 3 storyline is concerned no one beyond the Blood Elves, and the Night Elves who chased after them, is even aware of the existance of the Dranei.
A raid against Arthas would be the worst thing Blizzard could add to WoW as well. Northrend is more or less a giant island fortress at the end of WC3. All humans, orcs, night elves and renegade undead have more or less pulled out of the area. The blood elves and naga who went up there to stop Arthas in the first place are more or less wiped out/cut off from resupply/are leaderless since Arthas kills Illidan in the end. Oh and lets not forget the fact that you left several fully developed but-simply-left-them-behind-for-speed bases behind in your path during the undead campaign at the end of WC3.
Oh and Spellbreakers were a new unit in WC3: Frozen Throne as well. Sounds like people were just making estimated guesses based on what happened at the end of WC3's storyline.
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one of the newest and most popular MMO's just did their first con. Even if the company running it were complete assholes, it'd still be newsworthy.
FFXI recently had their own open media event (in the U.S. no less) last August yet that went unreported.
Why not report Lineage 2 news? They have an even bigger playerbase. Or why not City of Villians news? It was released yesterday and its the first MMO to let you REALLY play as the bad guy (not counting role-playing, nor SWG since the storyline leaves room for debate, and WoW's horde doesn't count since they're technically not 'bad' in context to the Warcraft storyline.) This isn't newsworthy, this is fanboyism. Will the release of the new WoW expansion be considered 'newsworthy' as well?
Actually, just like starvation/famime malaria is really a logistical and supply problem. Its easy to go around saying 'we have the technology, therefore the problem is solved', the problem now is 'how do you get millions of, most likely fragile, handle-with-care, containers' to a third-world countries. In many of these countries, 'the road' is the least vegatated path on the ground from point A to point B. Railroads are almost non-existant in some of them, airports are sometimes long strips of pressed dirt and of course, theres always the problem of FINDING some of these villages since they can be anywhere from in the middle of a seemly empty field to hidden in a dense jungle where satellites can't penetrate the foliage.
You more or less hit one of the biggest issues regarding the supply problem, so I won't bother going into that.
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The general rule of thumb is that less than 1% of your fanbase will ever show to a convention no matter where/when/how its setup. Assume 45% the playerbase lives outside of the U.S. and you can take them off the list. Assume another 20% is too busy, 20% too poor, and 10% not hardcore enough to make the trip. Mark the last 4% as anything from 'not interested' to 'simply didn't know about the event'.
The fact that there was an entry fee, unlike QuakeCon, didn't help either. Charging people $140 just to get in (not to mention hotel, travel and food costs) is not a good way to start a convention let alone a convention aimed solely at Blizzard games (E3 this ain't).
More like couple of decades worst case scenario. Even assuming they backed up all their data off-site, its gonna take years to clean up and build a new building (~1 year for cleaning, estimate about 2~5 years to rebuild and bring the whole thing back up to speed). On top of construction, theres the loss of the machines, facilities and temporary unability to do work elsewhere for sometime (can't replicate that kind of research in your average college computer lab.) Theres also the now temporarily work-less researchers, the obvious political fallout and having to figure out how the fire started in the first place. Theres also the matter of who's gonna foot the bill for cleaning, construction and replacing all the lost material. On top of ALL that, I doubt theres a magic 'put everything back the way it was before button' on the backup servers which can instantly bring all the data back for researchers quickly and easily.
Combined, you're looking at an easy 5 years lost research time best case scenario. Worst case scenario you're looking at anywhere between 10~30 years lost time since some scientists may not want to wait for the facilities to be rebuilt and just take their expertise elsewhere and their not the sort you can replace easily. Theres always the distant (but unlikely) possibility, that they might not even rebuild the facilties and simply shelf or sell off the data to others.
And of course, this doesn't even touch the financial costs, the damage to the school's prestige and damage to the school's pride.
If you read about it, the webpage states that it was never originally designed to be a bunker in the first place. It was designed to be a tunnel for transporting troops to the western front in the event of a war with France (Pre-WWI).
But don't forget, in the U.S. anyone with a camcorder and is willing to spend the time can become a 'movie maker'. Look at all the independent films there are online. Red vs Blue could be considered a sitcom. The hugely successful 'The Blair Witch Project' looks like it could have been made by a bunch of pranksters with a horror fetish. Heck, just look at 'America's Funniest Home Videos' and all its spin-offs. People getting paid for unprofessionally filmed, unedited, poor quality video clips.
With the next generation on the way, one could expect bigger cities, better graphics, more realistic AI, pedestrians who live unique lives, and the same irreverent style that made GTA what it is. Who knows, perhaps when we next see Grand Theft Auto on a console it will not be merely a city or a state...but instead an entire country or world!
Uh, bigger cities? Better graphics? Isn't that all they've been adding since GTA3? So far all they've added since GTA3 is a bigger world, subpar improvements to graphics, new vehicles, new missions and new side-missions. That reads expansion pack to me. Theres no new physics engine, no new real major additions (still no aircraft), and the graphics are bland considering how long and how many games Rockstar has developed for the PS2 (and Xbox).
I'm sorry, 'realistic AI'? Apparently no one remembers the failure known as State of Emergency. The AI in that game was supposed to be Rockstar's shining example of how well they could AI to add to gameplay. Instead it turned out to be unusable, annoying and pointless.
How the hell would 'pedestrians who live unique lives' make a game more fun let alone make a GTA game more fun? Last time I checked GTA was all about being able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want and if you wanted to depopulate the city single-handedly, you could do that. Killing off NPCs who live 'unique lives' sounds like a great way at messing up the gameplay when you accidently shoot the mission NPC on his way to the grocery store.
Gee, wow. A GTA on a state or nationwide scale. How is that different from simply adding more areas? Oh wait, they already do that. The whole article is fanboyish considering how many of Rockstar's failures and flaws they look over.
Battlefield 2 was arguably the buggiest PC game at launch third only to Half-Life 2's Steam problems (admittedly, that was due to sheer demand) and World of Warcraft's lack of servers (again admittedly, they admitted the fact that they underestimated demand). Battlefield 2 on the other hand still suffers from balance issues (aircraft are overpowered), AI issues (the AI is stupider than BF1942 or BF:Vietnam AI), and bug issues (which have an even worse tendancy to occur randomly making it impossible to avoid them).
Burnout Revenge is just a repackaging of Burnout 3. Is Ninja Gaiden Black a brand new game as well?
Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath is a short-lived, hyped up game. Outside of the fact that the game manages to infuse some good comedy into the formula, its just a below par FPS game.
NBA Street v3? So stick a 'v' onto it and it suddenly becomes acceptable as a sequel?! Quick! Go release a Quake 4 expansion pack called Quake v4 and you can say its a brand new game!/sarcasm
Ever wonder why the Blizzard forums aren't filled with a million whining kids bitching about 'game balance' or how X job got nerfed in Y update? Well now you know.
though a number of factors, including both revenue and game quality, determined where the publishers ranked.
EA takes number one when you consider game quality? Given the sheer number of crap they put out every year, their ranking should've gone way down simply due to poor reviews. The rest of the top 5 I can understand (Doom 3 boosted Activision's sales and the rest are first-party publishers.)
The list of affected PSone games, however, is quite a bit longer, though still includes a relatively small number of games to be concerned about. Chief among these is the Dual Shock or 5th Anniversary Package version of Resident Evil 2, where the sound playback during movies is incorrect, and Chrono Cross, which also has problems during its ending movie.
Resident Evil 2? Chrono Cross? Upsetting SquareEnix and Capcom, two of the biggest supporters of the PS1 AND PS2, is not a good way to start the next generation of console wars. What next? The first wave of PS3s can't play FFVII? The Blu-Ray drives are defective? The systems don't work 'right out of the box'? Sony has really hurt its own reputation in hardware reliability these past few years.
I wouldn't really say Penny Arcade is forming/has formed a political action group because this is really just a response from what you could say is an infringing of Constitutional rights. Jack Thompson has insulted the intelligence of gamers and the noble attempts of charity organizations (the sudden canceling of his $10,000 offer to any charity if someone made him a game?). If you read the fax sent to the Florida police, he is purposely LIED to the chief of police (PA didn't contact him first, they did not give out his contact information even REFUSING to give it out and donating money in someone else's name is not harassment unless you want to sue millions of people across the world for donating in the name of "John Doe", "Jane Doe" and "Anonymous".)
The fact that he is now specifically targetting Penny Arcade is the cause of this Political Reaction Group. Whether or not they intend of turning it into a Political Action Group, remains to be seenen.
What's the matter with letting China et al have a say, anyway? You seem to be equating "can voice an opinion and has a vote in how things are run" with "can take control whenever they want". That's ludicrous.
In China, by "take control whenever they want", they mean "do what we say or we'll lock you away in a hole Americans wouldn't dare to call a prison, torture you, gun you down in a ditch and then have a bulldozer bury your body in an unmarked grave in the middle of nowhere."
All those stories during the Cold War about Russia making enemies "disappear" weren't entirely fiction. Ever wonder what happened to the organizers of the Tienanmen Square protest of 1989? What happened to the sole person who stood infront of the column of tanks? Due process in China is whatever the man holding the AK says, the media is censored so theres no public outcry, the richest are smart enough to get their asses out of there as soon as possible and the government isn't exactly composed of Founding Fathers.
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Yes, sandbox games come with some POTENTIALLY contraversy the issue is HOW you go about presenting this.
Yes in the Civilization games you could rule as a fascist and purposely kill of the entire civilian population of a race/culture/city/nation. The difference between the Civilization games and the GTA series is the fact that YOU CANNOT PROGRESS THROUGH THE GAME as a "good guy". There will be missions where you MUST kill someone, you MUST steal something, where you MUST break the law in someway, shape or form. Yes you can do the vigilante or do the ambulance side-missions, but lets face it, they're basicly nothing more than mini-games. You're not gonna get a tank or access to all the cars just for doing those mission.
Same with the Sim games, you COULD have a gay couple, but the game doesn't jam it down your throat saying 'if you want to progress, you MUST cheat on your husband with another woman.' There is no 'you MUST start a fire while cooking and kill the husband in order to access a bigger piece of land' mission. Contraversial content in those games are artifically created BY THE PLAYERS.
GTA breaks the traditional rules by making it IMPOSSIBLE to be 'the good guy'. Unless you SERIOUSLY twist the context, its impossible to justify any missions that goes on within the game as legal.
The whole report is really a 'how to install' guide in order to attract attention. Since the device isn't public (yet), theres almost no real world testing (Mario Kart DS isn't even out yet). Unless you're curious about the system requirements (Mac users need not apply), theres nothing of real interest.
No, you can worry about self-contained bio-spheres AFTER getting the ships out of the planet's atmosphere. The problem of getting cargo into outer space is the number one issue at this point in time. A bio-sphere isn't too hard to designed and built by college students. (Hydroponic farms anyone? Water for the plants and astronauts, plants will grow all necessary food, carbon dioxide is recycled through the plants and back into oxygen. Solar power for electronic devices. You'd have to be a vegetarian but thats a small price to pay to be a space pioneer.)
Thats my whole point. How long does it take to create a stealth/shooter in a universe like Starcraft? Other than a making new game engine/licensing a FPS geared engine, porting the graphics and designing the gameplay, it shouldn't take more than 4 years.
Building new game engine, 2~3 years. If using licensed one, 1~2 years.
porting graphics, 6~18 months.
Implementing and testing gameplay, 6~12 months. Less if they decide to just mimic a previous style of stealth-shooter gameplay (Splinter Cell, MGS, Thief...)
Time to completition: 2~5.5 years.
Given the fact that they're now starting to push into their FIFTH year, you really have to question whats going on in the development. (They development started around 2001.)
Maybe he's referring to handhelds since they break away from the "video games = must be played on TV screen" ideology. After all video games have always been heavily restricted from mobility before the Gameboy (PCs were immobile until laptops, consoles until recently needed a TV or 3rd party mini-screen add-on and arcade games and mobility are like oxymorons.)
I wouldn't really say that, but given the fact that the game was supposed to come out late '03, early '04, you really have to question just how much money was wasted after all this time. Other than nailing down the gameplay, everything else is more or less rearranged for them. (Just mimic the art from Starcraft, copy and paste Starcraft units and characters, stealth based games have been done already so build on those and the storyline for Starcraft: Ghost was more or less laid down years ago.)
Other than the fact that Blizzard hasn't made a FPS or third-person shooter before, theres no reason why this game should be in development for so long. This isn't even Diablo 2 where you could justify the delays with new items and improving on the netcode.
My words.
As for developers having a server center, depending on the popularity/success of the game, most developers lack the resources to handle huge loads. Don't forget that PC developers get away with this by having players host their own mirrors and console games such as Halo 2 or Splinter Cell more or less get special treatment due to the fact that Microsoft KNOWS it'll be a hit.
So a report from one shop owner suddenly applies to massive retailers and small retailers globally? I'll believe it when I hear a similar report coming from Wal-Mart, Target or EBGames (or whatever they're called now).
For all we know, Microsoft simply wants this one retailer to sign to this agreement because they ordered an unusually high number.
Yeah, this also leaves developers with having to pay for all the extra costs of running their own server farm since Sony is too cheap and lazy to do so for them. Why not just pay the extra fee and have Xbox Live host their online gaming? Xbox Live has been successful in the past and the PS2 online has been a total piece of crap, shunned and ignored outside of Japan (an even then its success in Japan is argued as being unique to the country).
and, unlike the Xbox 360, will not require users to subscribe to an online gaming service.
The Xbox 360 will give users a free Silver account if they buy just the 'core' package. Sony has yet to top that.
"Sony customer support. You want to uninstall our DRM software? Ok, whats your name? Address? City and state? Zip? Ok, please wait while we submit your information to local law enforcement."
Very nice but, why not put that screen to good use and run some tournaments on it? That'd be a good way to attact people even if the games they'll demonstrate are just ported from the Xbox.
A raid against Arthas would be the worst thing Blizzard could add to WoW as well. Northrend is more or less a giant island fortress at the end of WC3. All humans, orcs, night elves and renegade undead have more or less pulled out of the area. The blood elves and naga who went up there to stop Arthas in the first place are more or less wiped out/cut off from resupply/are leaderless since Arthas kills Illidan in the end. Oh and lets not forget the fact that you left several fully developed but-simply-left-them-behind-for-speed bases behind in your path during the undead campaign at the end of WC3.
Oh and Spellbreakers were a new unit in WC3: Frozen Throne as well. Sounds like people were just making estimated guesses based on what happened at the end of WC3's storyline.
FFXI recently had their own open media event (in the U.S. no less) last August yet that went unreported.
Why not report Lineage 2 news? They have an even bigger playerbase. Or why not City of Villians news? It was released yesterday and its the first MMO to let you REALLY play as the bad guy (not counting role-playing, nor SWG since the storyline leaves room for debate, and WoW's horde doesn't count since they're technically not 'bad' in context to the Warcraft storyline.) This isn't newsworthy, this is fanboyism. Will the release of the new WoW expansion be considered 'newsworthy' as well?
You more or less hit one of the biggest issues regarding the supply problem, so I won't bother going into that.
The fact that there was an entry fee, unlike QuakeCon, didn't help either. Charging people $140 just to get in (not to mention hotel, travel and food costs) is not a good way to start a convention let alone a convention aimed solely at Blizzard games (E3 this ain't).
Combined, you're looking at an easy 5 years lost research time best case scenario. Worst case scenario you're looking at anywhere between 10~30 years lost time since some scientists may not want to wait for the facilities to be rebuilt and just take their expertise elsewhere and their not the sort you can replace easily. Theres always the distant (but unlikely) possibility, that they might not even rebuild the facilties and simply shelf or sell off the data to others.
And of course, this doesn't even touch the financial costs, the damage to the school's prestige and damage to the school's pride.
If you read about it, the webpage states that it was never originally designed to be a bunker in the first place. It was designed to be a tunnel for transporting troops to the western front in the event of a war with France (Pre-WWI).
But don't forget, in the U.S. anyone with a camcorder and is willing to spend the time can become a 'movie maker'. Look at all the independent films there are online. Red vs Blue could be considered a sitcom. The hugely successful 'The Blair Witch Project' looks like it could have been made by a bunch of pranksters with a horror fetish. Heck, just look at 'America's Funniest Home Videos' and all its spin-offs. People getting paid for unprofessionally filmed, unedited, poor quality video clips.
Uh, bigger cities? Better graphics? Isn't that all they've been adding since GTA3? So far all they've added since GTA3 is a bigger world, subpar improvements to graphics, new vehicles, new missions and new side-missions. That reads expansion pack to me. Theres no new physics engine, no new real major additions (still no aircraft), and the graphics are bland considering how long and how many games Rockstar has developed for the PS2 (and Xbox).
I'm sorry, 'realistic AI'? Apparently no one remembers the failure known as State of Emergency. The AI in that game was supposed to be Rockstar's shining example of how well they could AI to add to gameplay. Instead it turned out to be unusable, annoying and pointless.
How the hell would 'pedestrians who live unique lives' make a game more fun let alone make a GTA game more fun? Last time I checked GTA was all about being able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want and if you wanted to depopulate the city single-handedly, you could do that. Killing off NPCs who live 'unique lives' sounds like a great way at messing up the gameplay when you accidently shoot the mission NPC on his way to the grocery store.
Gee, wow. A GTA on a state or nationwide scale. How is that different from simply adding more areas? Oh wait, they already do that. The whole article is fanboyish considering how many of Rockstar's failures and flaws they look over.
Burnout Revenge is just a repackaging of Burnout 3. Is Ninja Gaiden Black a brand new game as well?
Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath is a short-lived, hyped up game. Outside of the fact that the game manages to infuse some good comedy into the formula, its just a below par FPS game.
NBA Street v3? So stick a 'v' onto it and it suddenly becomes acceptable as a sequel?! Quick! Go release a Quake 4 expansion pack called Quake v4 and you can say its a brand new game! /sarcasm
Ever wonder why the Blizzard forums aren't filled with a million whining kids bitching about 'game balance' or how X job got nerfed in Y update? Well now you know.
EA takes number one when you consider game quality? Given the sheer number of crap they put out every year, their ranking should've gone way down simply due to poor reviews. The rest of the top 5 I can understand (Doom 3 boosted Activision's sales and the rest are first-party publishers.)
Resident Evil 2? Chrono Cross? Upsetting SquareEnix and Capcom, two of the biggest supporters of the PS1 AND PS2, is not a good way to start the next generation of console wars. What next? The first wave of PS3s can't play FFVII? The Blu-Ray drives are defective? The systems don't work 'right out of the box'? Sony has really hurt its own reputation in hardware reliability these past few years.
The fact that he is now specifically targetting Penny Arcade is the cause of this Political Reaction Group. Whether or not they intend of turning it into a Political Action Group, remains to be seenen.
In China, by "take control whenever they want", they mean "do what we say or we'll lock you away in a hole Americans wouldn't dare to call a prison, torture you, gun you down in a ditch and then have a bulldozer bury your body in an unmarked grave in the middle of nowhere."
All those stories during the Cold War about Russia making enemies "disappear" weren't entirely fiction. Ever wonder what happened to the organizers of the Tienanmen Square protest of 1989? What happened to the sole person who stood infront of the column of tanks? Due process in China is whatever the man holding the AK says, the media is censored so theres no public outcry, the richest are smart enough to get their asses out of there as soon as possible and the government isn't exactly composed of Founding Fathers.