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Internet Use Grows to 69 Percent of US Adults
NickABusey writes "According to Harris Interactive, more than two-thirds, or 69 percent of American adults were internet users last year. This is up from only 56 percent in 1999 and a measley 9 percent in 1995. Perhaps more noteworthy is the increase in users with high-speed Internet connections. In 2001 is was 22 percent, now it is up to 37 percent."
69 percent of US adults use the Internet. Sounds good, right? Here's the problem...
Most of these people probably do not use the Internet for something truly worthwhile. By that I claim that instead of doing research or reading various news sources to gain an unbiased perspective on the world around us, people mostly are just forwarding silly emails, chatting mindlessly with their peers, searching for pornography, and downloading crappy quality pirated music files.
The Internet has changed my life. I have a news source for each aspect of life that I must keep up on. I can read the NY Times, Slashdot, live Associated Press feeds, and much more. I don't have to rely on biased news sources (FOX, anyone?) to brainwash me into a Republican prosumer.
I also used the Internet to first teach myself about programming. A few years ago, I found an Open-Source project and just jumped right in. Using the Web interface, IRC, etc., I was able to teach myself proper C++ coding and Linux system software design. I started my own Linux company last year.
What I'm saying is just that I wish people truly knew what they were doing more with respect to computers and the Internet. I fear that 30% of this 69% sample group probably doesn't even know how to use Google to find Web sites, USENET postings, pictures, news articles, etc. That's truly sad.
I don't mean to champion intellectual pursuits too much. I do agree that the Web and Internet as a whole has a lot to offer in the way of social progress, but as I see test scores continue to drop and standards get lowered for our next generation of children, I can't help but wonder if little things like these could be changed to make all of our futures better and brighter.
Thanks for reading, friend.
Background: 28/M/Bi-Sexual; Owner of a Linux company; MBA Harvard 2003; B.S. Comp Sci MIT 2000
Well yeah, looking at porn sucks with dial up.
"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home" - Cicero
Norvig's Law !!!
Any technology that surpasses 50% penetration
will never double again
(in any number of months).
Well if they're looking to cut pr0n and stuff from P2P networks, count on that usage dropping a LOT.. ;-)
Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.
Music.
Is it suprising that high speed use increased so much? AOHell is offering it now, and in this area, SBC DSL is like $2 more a month than plain old AOHell dialup. This is what I expected to happen.
You should use AdiumX on your Mac.
Considering the nature of the most abundant content in the Internet, it's oddly appropriate.
-- Repeat with me: "There is no right to profits".
Pornography & DSL
S'cuse me, heard the latest Archie & Jughead is at the 7-11.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
I wish there was more data in that article so one could analyze it and find trends, so the precentage of people with high speed intertnet has grown 15% in 2 years. is that a linear growth, and exponential growth. Is that trend going to continue or level out.
Lot more could be done if you had a more info
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Score:5, Troll
It's not surprising that 60% are college students. Considering the root of the internet to academic insitutions.
And while it's not surprising only 7% are over 65, considering that constitutes over 10 million, I'd say that there are plenty of old people using the internet. Granted, that might still be a small percentage of the number of old people alive in the US, but 10M is nothing to scoff at.
Considering that many old people tend to be conservative and how many people online use email and get porn spam, I'm surprised the politicians don't take a firmer stand. I would assume this based would really support tougher legislation than what's being proposed.
In times like these, it is helpful to remember that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey
I thought it was adults that pretended to be thirteen year old boys and girls...
People say I'm crazy, I got diamonds on the soles of my shoes...
Right. Because the New York Times, fabricated stories and all, has no bias. *jerk-off motion with hand*
Percent of useful content on the internet continues to drop.
69% watching 69 on internet...
Or reading and posting on slashdot, but yeah, I see your point.
Here's a point for you to consider: who judges what use is use rather than just fiddling around?
The other interesting bit is how much of this 'use' happens at work...
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
The CIA World Factbook is a nice place to go for information like this. (Communications->Internet users for example)
Here's a list of how many internet users there are in each county. No percentages though, which would have been more interesting.
As more people use the net, of course there will be more stupid people using it to communicate with each other in stupid ways. This is because there are many many stupid people in this world and it's only natural that the net reflects this. What can anyone do about it? Should anyone do anything about it? What are you proposing?
-Lod
Most of these people probably do not use the Internet for something truly worthwhile.
100% of those polled when informed of your response replied:
And who the hell is this guy to tell us what is "worth while"?
Sent from your iPad.
Yes I agree, and I'll also be one to admit, porn on dialup SUCKS... (not just people in the pictures :P) On a general college network/networks porn is a large issue... I'd say 90% of the bandwidth I use is outgoing on DC++ for people downloading some of my 30 or so gigs of porn. Music is another 5% to 10%... if you want proof have a look here.. http://www.tyrantanic.net/mrtg/aiwa/aiwa.tyrantani c.net_2.html (keep in mind thats a 10mbit connection to the rest of the network, just 100mbit local on the switch)
Also if you take into account all those popup ads advertising porn, or increasing penis size or what have you, you'd bet that MOST internet traffic is download of some sort, I'd guess porn. However there are plenty of other useful things to waste your bandwidth on.. like uhhmm... ok lets see here. For example when you hmm.. nevermind. I can't think of anything.
Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.
"*jerk-off motion with hand*"
I'm still looking for a good emoticon for that gesture to use in message forums.
Bill Clinton: Pimp we can believe in. - The Shirt!!!
This can only mean that the majority of /.ers are pre-teens.
I think it's rather naive to say you get your news from NY Times, AP, Slashdot, etc. rather than biased sources like Fox. ALL news sources of some degree of bias. If you think a news source is un-biased, that just means you agree with whatever bias they demonstrate.
I find it helpful to get news from a variety of sources of all types. The most interesting comparison to me is to see what stories are not covered by a news outlet.
Ranger96
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.-Ecclesiastes 1:9
Some people use their television to keep abreast of current affairs and learn about the world around them. Others use it to watch sitcoms, soaps, and/or game shows (and, of course, porn). The degree of market penetration of the television would not be where it is today if it had been only seen as a medium for education and news. Instead, the entertainment side is what drew the average Joe Sixpack.
Likewise, some of us utilize the Internet for research and keeping abreast of current affairs. Others use it to chat, download files, and play games. We wouldn't see the market penetration we have here without those kinds of features - the entertainment sector, you could say.
Without the housewife chatting with her pals, the kids playing games online, and the hubby downloading his porn, we may not have seen any push to get high-speed lines installed in many areas.
I was taking one day at a time, but then several days got together and ambushed me. (from a Rhymes with Orange comic)
But for all this marketing-driven drivel, it seems that little substance has been added to the internet. Think about how much text-based content you could download, compared to the fancy ill-designed un-navigatable front page so many companies use now.
It's symbiotic. More people get high-speed to see the pretty pictures, and more companies use pretty pictures to appease the high-speed people.
How long till Moore's law concerning Internet stops working just because Internet usage reaches 100% humanity and further growth will be held by number of humans able to use the net - living on this planet? ...unless we count that once 100% is reached, enough people will buy "second computer", install "second internet service", keeping the "double size in 10 months" rate?
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However, who are we to judge? My grandmother just turned 82 this year. Her husband also just passed away. I got her a computer and taught her to use the Internet. Right now she knows how to send email, chat over MSN, do her banking, and perform simple google searches. That's all. She isn't churning out homegrown linux apps or discussing religion on usenet, in fact, I'm quite sure she couldn't change the resolution on her monitor. However, it's her lifeline to the outside world. It's given her a reason to not just give up on life.
So, what I'm trying to say that the beauty of the Internet is how it can be so many different things to so many different people.
I always save my last mod point to mod up a good troll. You people are too serious.
Is it a problem that people used movable type to read Richardson's "Pamela" rather than the Bible?
Is it a problem that people went to the movies to watch Rudolph Valentino kiss Theda Bara instead of "Greed?"
Is it a problem that people used radio to listen to Amos 'n Andy rather than to the speeches of great statesmen?
Is it a problem that people used advances in color printing technology to subscribe to "Playboy" rather than "American Heritage?"
Is it a problem that people used vinyl LP's to listen to Elvis Presley albums instead of "Die Meistersinger von Nurnburg?"
Is it a problem that people used cable TV to watch MTV instead of C-SPAN?
Because, if these are problems... boy, have we got problems.
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot...
Typos... that's just how I role.
Highest consumer of porn, baby.
Score 1 for the porn industry!
and if you see me strut, remind me of what left this outlaw torn...
>> Here's a point for you to consider: who judges what use is use rather than just fiddling around?
Anyone can judge (including yourself). Just ask yourself whether its doing anything good if somebody is browsing porn, is it doing anything good to the society or himself ? NO!(its an illusion that he enjoys or find pleasure in it; its just like drugs , mere addiction keeping him stick with it). On the contray, when somebody is reading a good article there is a chance that he (or even the society ) would get benefited out of it. Hence its a good use of internet
Who are you to determine whats worthwhile for people? Just because your IQ is higher than 99% of America doesn't mean that what you use the internet for is best for everyone. Is any 13 year old girl really going to keep up with politics anyway, whether the internet is involved or not? Many people prefer reading newspapers or magazines to get their news information, and just use the internet for pr0n. Honestly, who cares what joe blow uses the internet for as long he is contributing something by to society in the form of money? Some people prefer not to get themselves entangled in the world of bullshit intellectualism, and thats their choice. And by the way, there is no such thing as an unbiased perspective.
If you have to ask, you'll never know.
I can't believe he is saying that slashdot is unbiased.
Their bias is in their slogan: "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Its biased towards the "Nerds" group and someone has to make a decision on what "matters" and what doesn't.
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
Damn all of you quick fingered bastards typing out those 69 jokes in a jiffy. I thought I might be the first one to notice. Not even close. Damn all of you. No Funny for me. Damn all of you again.
Free XBox, PS2
I don't know anyone who doesn't use the net. I even know crack whores and bums that use the net. Who are the 31% that don't use the net? Maybe that's the 31% of America that is illiterate, or the 31% of America that is in prison.
...69 percent of American adults were internet users last year. This is up from only 56 percent in 1999 and a measley 9 percent in 1995.
:P
Sounds to me like the non-adults using the net in '95 have grown up and are now counted as adults.
and a measley 9 percent in 1995.
That seems a little high. The internet was still a hard-core geek-toy in 95. Most people interested in on-line stuff used proprietary services like CompuServe, AOL, Prodigy, etc. Perhaps they are counting office email.
Table-ized A.I.
>probably doesn't even know how to use Google to find Web sites,
How hard is this? Go to Google.com, enter key words, enter, enjoy! And why do I "have" to know how to do this? Couldn't I use an another search engine?
>USENET postings,
Yes, Usenet, that treasure trove of insightful commentary. People have moved on to bloggs and websites like this one. Usenet, while excellent for binaries, still has a horrific signal to noise.
>pictures, news articles, etc.
How does one use pictures?
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
Put your tongue back in. It is 68.9%
Table-ized A.I.
I don't need CNN to brainwash me into a mindnumbed braindead liberal.
Anyway, I have found that most people use the internet for insanely mundane things. For instance, my girlfriend sits on my laptop almost 24x7, chatting on AOL (I can't get her to give it up, even though we have cable and I have never ever used AOL and I'm a successful programmer for a top-notch company).
Maybe 24x7 is stretching it a bit, but she is chatting via AIM and AOL chatrooms and playing The SIMS Online from shortly after she wakes up until the wee hours in the morning. I think it would be kind to suggest she might be online for as little as 12 hours per day every day of the week (but that's really a MINIMUM).
And ALL SHE DOES is chat and play SIMS. No research. No news. No anything. Just chatting and chatting and chatting.
I thought maybe it was just her. Then I poked around and saw that my 17 year old brother, 20 year old sister and most of my non-tech/geek friends treat the computer/internet in more or less this same fashion.
I find it a complete waste. When I was their age, we had chat boards - places that you could dial into that usually ran Major BBS/Worldgroups BBS software and had two or four dozen phone lines coming into the system for multi-user teleconferences. But even then, chatting was done in the background and on occasion. Most of the time was still spent learning and discovering things and toying with new stuff. I would suggest that 95% of that 69% use the internet as a completely passive utility. No creativity. No creation. No anything. Just... mind numbing crap. As pointless as if they just spent the same amount of time watching a soap opera or Full House on television.
Good comment. CNN, MSNBC, etc. all have their biases. I find CNN and BBC quite biased, in fact. Maybe the parent has been brainwashed by another news source! .
*jerk-off motion with hand*
If you had nuts on your chin, would they be chin nuts?
>> ALL news sources of some degree of bias.
But in the case of FOX news, its the highest degree and simply unacceptable for most of the people. You can see many articles(or comments) which support microsoft in slashdot. You can also see many articles which criticize US actions in Iraq but almost none in FOX. Thats the difference.
http://www.nasirudheen.blogspot/
Um... you say "chatting mindlessly with their peers" is a waste. What are you expecting to happen by posting replies on slashdot, exactly?
It's a bit of a pain to get news from a wide variety of sources though. Takes quite a bit of time. I've found a couple resources to be useful for this.
Google News and Technorati pick from a wide variety of sources and allow you to search news articles. But I sometimes find it hard to find what I want in all the clutter. Plastic provides moderation and discussion of news, but doesn't have broad coverage. Various RSS aggregators allow me to create your own news feed, but they don't have good coverage of mainstream news sources and they're a bit of a pain to set up. There's a couple recent attempts at personalized news -- Findory News is one -- that try to pull news from a broad variety of sources targetted to your interests.
What do you use?
Jesus Christ, come off your high-horse.
The Internet is fantastic. It has changed my life too: I have made friends over the Internet; I have the career I have because I fell in love with web design; I started two online magazines; and I spend probably two hours per day reading news and commentary from around the world. It still blows my mind how much better informed I can be thanks to the fact that I can read blogs from Iran, newspapers from India, etc.
But I also use the Internet to forward silly emails, chat mindlessly with peers, to search for pornography, and download crappy quality music files. In other words, to have fun.
It's great to be engaged intellectually with things that interest you, but it's also a fundamental human right to goof off.
No matter what technologies we invent, not everyone is going to want to program, read the news all day, or found a business. People have other interests, and that's fine.
Listen, I'm horrible at sports, I don't know the first thing about plumbing, I have no idea how to fix a car, and I'd rather buy take-out than learn to cook. Does this make me a bad person? Am I a lesser person because I am not engaged enough to learn how a car works? No, of course not! It just means that I have different interests from others, and I should be able to follow my interests just as much as they can follow theirs.
Note 1: Your case would be a lot more convincing if you didn't make it while posting to Slashdot! Shouldn't you be coding or informing yourself, rather than goofing off?
Note 2: Your case would also be a lot more convincing if you didn't make the argument that the Internet is a failure because it hasn't shown everyone that the Republicans are bad. One of the great advantages for me of the Internet is that it has expanded my news sources past the traditional left-wing sources that I read on paper (like the New York Times) to centrist (Washington Post) and conservative sources (like the National Review and Weekly Standard). I've become more, not less conservative, as the result of reading the Internet. It is objectively true that the Internet expands the range of sources we have our fingertips, but it is extremely subjective to say that having access to more sources makes you more liberal.
I wonder what percentage of bandwidth consumption is due to porn. Video files being much larger and all and porn already being one of biggest (if not the biggest) businesses online.
And I wonder what the ratio of porn downloads are of college students versus everyone else. With the high-speed connections, I'm sure college students consume the most bandwidth. But I'm also sure that they're not consumers (in financial terms) anywhere to the same degree as they are file-traders.
In times like these, it is helpful to remember that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey
There's a problem about that. 69 with mares is pretty much impossible, wrong anatomy, too much body size difference, that stuff.
He's also a New Deal Democrat.
Best Slashdot Co
I fear that 30% of this 69% sample group probably doesn't even know how to use Google to find Web sites, USENET postings, pictures, news articles, etc. That's truly sad.
Where are these numbers coming from? 30 % of 69 %, yea and i'm 76.3 % sure your figure is off. i agree, it's fair to say that there are varing degrees of internet savy, but that's usually determined by users needs. think about it, does a cow really need google? no, it needs grass and water(sorry about the cow metaphor, i'm from wi). just as most users only need hotmail and aim.
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I think it's rather naive to say you get your news from NY Times, AP, Slashdot, etc. rather than biased sources like Fox. ALL news sources of some degree of bias. If you think a news source is un-biased, that just means you agree with whatever bias they demonstrate.
Well said. I almost coughed up my coke when I read the grandparent's assertion that he is getting unbiased news and then proceeds to list a number of American-centric news sources.
Ranger96 is right: all news has some bias. The only thing you can really do is to read news from several widly different sources. And consider including some non-US sources of info such as Al-Jazeera and the BBC. I'm sure someone will complain that Al-Jazeera is nothing more than a hate-mongering rag but the fact of the matter is that a large portion of the Arab world listens to it. If you want to understand the world, you'd better know what other people are reading because it will shape their worldview.
The most interesting comparison to me is to see what stories are not covered by a news outlet.
That's true but the only way you find out about these articles is through the 'activist' websites of the issue that got ignored. And let's face it: those aren't exactly unbiased sources of info either. I think what you have to do is get as much info as possible and then use some good old fashioned critical thinking to figure out what's REALLY going on. And that's admittedly pretty tough.
GMD
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Within those paragraphs, there was a nugget of truth.
Instead of turning on the 5:00 news report, most of us pick and choose who we go to for our news.
I do not think that your assertion that FOX News is any more biased than the NY Times is correct. It is ignorant and naive to think that any newsmedia is objective.
The Europeans have known this for years; what is wrong with the Americans that we have this notion that the press is somehow objective (or should be objective)?
Is Slashdot objective? No! But, we read it because we like it and it entertains us. Same thing with the newsmedia.
You now have the ability to pick what you want, when you want it, how you want it, from the perspective you want, etc.
News has become a commodity and the means of producing it have diversified.
Everyone is biased, some more than others, the key is reading multiple news sources occasionally and making your own mind up. This may sound obvious but I get people all the time that repeat crap they heard on the news without giving it any independant thought.
I agree with the FOX news comment, I consider myself more republican than democrat but I cant stand the site.
According to Harris Interactive, more than two-thirds, or 69 percent of American adults were internet users last year.
Alas, only 63% of adults were grown-ups last year.
-kgj
-kgj
Yea go USA! My father in law is one of those 69%...just this weekend I spent about two hours removing 12 viruses/trojans and another 6 or so spyware programs from his computer. All gotten from some evil pr0n sites (well he is divorced and single..).
Last month I installed a firewall and updated his anti-virus. I asked him why he had them both disabled, he said "My favorite web site requires me to have these turned off at all times."
With my wife (his daughter) in the room I didn't really say anything, but before we left I explained to him in private that his favorite web site has been installing viruses and spyware on his PC...then I gave him a few tips on how to find reputable pr0n.
I hope next year 99% of all US citizens are online, I'm going to be starting up a zombie network to punish evil terrorists and i'll need the boxen.
Apple free since 1990!
what's wrong with a wild stallion ?
Now that requires a bit of art, to teach the mare to suck, not bite. Achieving 69 position is a piece of cake by it.
Does the thrill turn you on?
everyone is so quick to point out the 69%.
so cool!
i'm trying to figure out the other 31%. three out of ten adults have never used the internet.
"Yeah, that whole internet thing... i mean, i've heard about it, but don't really know what it's all about. something about some dots and coms. the whole thing just seems too confusing to me!" Annie Jenkins, domestic engineer, 37 y.o. - part of the other 31%.
So...you feel that how she spends her time "from shortly after she wakes up until the wee hours in the morning" is "a complete waste", and you're still dating her? You might have more in common with a RealDoll...
There's a reason geeks shouldn't mingle with non-geeks. Unless you think you can train her into geekhood, don't bother with trying to make it work - in a few years you will find yourselves with nothing to talk about and nothing in common. At least with a blow-up girlfriend you don't have to tell it to shut up already...
Denver Isuzu Suzuki
He's male, that's what is wrong. Sure, cute, pretty, all that stuff, but lacks one important hole and usually doesn't like to have the other used too. Of course if you're into being the bottom, little chance you ever find anything better than that, but for us, plain hetero zoos, that's not quite it...
Using the Internet to link to other people (via chatting, forwarding silly emails, etc) seems like a pretty good use to me. In fact, it just might be this ability to freely associate by discovery that turns out to be the Internet's greatest impact on humans.
Surely this is one statistic worth gathering properly.
Quoting:
"Internet users spend at least nine hours a week on the web compared with seven hours in late 2002. Some 93 percent of users gave their ages at less than 65 years, and 60 percent were university students.
"The telephone poll, taken last November and December, surveyed 2,033 people aged above 18 years. "
IANASA but 2,000 people, mostly students - hardly seems a worthwhile sample when trying to describe a population base of 290 million people.
for 69ing stallions would be better, the GNAA will back me up on that one
I think that the parent post is a "troll" and you all fell for it :)
What? You mean Adults use the Internet? Does anyone here know where do they hang out?
Only with BLACK stallions though.
Yeah, I'm curious if they would accept a gay black stallion as a member... (with his member...)
"my anus vents poo"
Really? Mine does Wagner. Though it often depends on what I had for lunch.
I don't use the internet.
If I could make this sig kill you, I would.
their asses might be too narrow.
> I think it's rather naive to say you get your news from NY Times, AP, Slashdot, etc. rather than biased
>sources like Fox. ALL news sources of some degree of bias.
I tend to think that a news site which allows anonymous (as well as non-anonymous) comments, which I can read either taking or not taking user moderation into account will give me a more complete, non-biased point of view.
My journal. Mainly about freedom.
The goatse.cx guy would fit one though... If the stallion wasn't too disgusted about it.
where do you think all those porn photos comes from?
"It's so convenient to have a system where everyone is a criminal" - A. Hitler
>Most of these people probably do not use the Internet for something truly
>worthwhile.
They'd probably say the same about you.
> What I'm saying is just that I wish people truly knew what they were doing more
> with respect to computers and the Internet.
Why should people know what they are doing more? Perhaps you have no social life but a lot of people use the net to find out about which new CDs are out, trip reports about new drugs, want to book a cheap flight or enter a chat room. Why should they be forced to know about TCP/IP stacks, ping, sendmail etc. They don't need to. Computers should make things easy for users, not vice versa.
Gosh that's a lot of Porn
I knew you were going to say something about the goatse.cx guy. Is the goatse.cx guy a member of the GNAA? perhaps some GNAA lawyers would care to comment.
Come on, he seems to be wider than any mare I've seen. No GNAA member can be so wide.
Rarely.
back to the main point - could a black stallion become a member of the GNAA? Yes, providing he was gay enough.
Now the question is: Would he be giving or receiving?
giving of course. How could you let a GNAA member with a horse-sized member let his member go to waste ? ( that's a lot of members... )
One could start with standard masturbicon:
)==m=o
Pantomime equivalent might then, time permitting, be abstracted to:
<- ~m~ ->
Possibly a mere ~m~ for brevity, haste sometimes being essential.
Sure it's unpolished, but a start. Best of luck!
For all those without cable and DSL access maybe broadband over powerline is the answer. Onward to 98%!
Yeah, a good stud - 6-7 times a day, that's something. Not counting all the 69's and such. (but would GNAA members be brave enough to receive blowjob from a big, black stallion?)
If 69 percent of all adult Americans use the internet and 60 percent of those people are university students, doesn't that make 41 percent of all adult Americans university students that use the internet?
I have trouble believing that.
Have I mis-read something?
GNAA members are brave enough for anything, even taking it up the poop-chute from a big, black stallion.
I imagine this already.
FP: I got it up my ass from the stallion!
and detailed description.
Much sexier than their current boring ads.
(yeah, being hetero doesn't change the fact stallions DO turn me on a bit)
The time required to greet someone...
I must admit, I was in shock the day my 70 something year old grandmother started forwarding me dumb emails. Thanks for giving her my addy Mom! (grumble grumble)
Not to mention when recently I discovered the guy almost beating me at a railgun level in Quake2 was 61!
The internet isn't just for us darned bbs'ing kids to idle on irc and download warez anymore... *sigh*
but do you have a Macintosh? if you have a Macintosh, you can join the GNAA even if you are also into mares.
I yet have to see how mare porn looks on a Mac screen. I might switch. (To Macs, not to stallions or humans!)
Offtopic:
"Jesus Christ, come off your high-horse."
I read that and thought, oh my, religious flame bait gets modded up these days? =)
Banaaaana!
What can you learn and discover on Major/Worldgroup BBS?
How to set up your registry for people to see your info?
How to play Crossroads, Kyrandia, Tele-Arena, or MajorMUD?
They served two purposes - chatting and playing games. Chatting in teleconference or message boards, same difference.
Mac OS X is based on the famous BSD kernel (Banning Sexual Dullness). It doesn't allow any non-gay porn to displayed. But the GUI widgets are extremely gay and colourful, you will love them!
Who cares if they use it for anything useful? The more Americans (or Canadians, in my case) that are using the internet, the more companies are going to decide providing internet service is lucrative, the cheaper my internet service is going to get. "Useful" is a pretty loaded term anyway. Chatting and emailing frivolous messages can be useful, just to stay connected to people we wouldn't talk to otherwise. Downloading pornography is useful in that it provides a much more discreet way to obtain it, thereby reducing seedy looking porn shops that, typically, aren't adding much the city landscape. The downloading of music is insanely useful to me (at least it was, until EMusic effectively shut down). I also use the internet to read news and teach myself how to code in various languages, but I don't think these are the things that define "usefulness". If indeed our kids' test scores are dropping along with our standards (which I don't see happening, but maybe you have some insight that I don't), maybe it has more to do with their home situation, as opposed to the 9 hours a week or so that they spend online.
"Now gluttony and exploitation serves eight!" - TV's Frank
D0h! Hetero mare porn is not dull!
8iiiUUUUiiiD ~0 ~0 ~0
Hmmm, maybe you are right, let me test it on my BSD system....
You know the people modding me down are the ones downloading more pR0n than anyone else.
So go ahead, hit me with the -5 troll. You dirty slashdotters. I am doing everyone a favor by saying this cause slashdot is packed with way too many anonymous cowards nowadays.
Awaiting results. Just don't get your keyboard sticky!
When fabrications appear in the Times, we find out about them first from the Times' open admissions and internal investigations.
When fabrications appear on Fox News, we find out about them (if we do at all) from sources other than Fox.
This distinction is to the Times' credit, and speaks to its greater value of journalistic integrity.
"Skill shows through where genius wears thin." -Wittgenstein || Religion: uniting aviation and architecture.
ok, post me an example...
On M$IE right now. Can't post MIME64-encoded stuff. (I might loog for something online of you want though)
Score: -1, Not Gay Enough
Here you are.
I've never been married, but please for the love of God tell me that this is not something I'll ever be expected to explain to a father-in-law.
It's the birds-and-bees conversation, gone horribly horribly wrong.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Means BSD doesn't display it?
(yeah, sure it would display gay stallion porn, but the question was about Mare Porn.)
I won't argue that the comments on Slashdot are good and they help balance the bias, but you also have to consider the bias of the audience that comments on Slashdot. Slashdot is 'News for Nerds', and hence those of us that read it, whether we like it or not, have the bias of a somewhat technically literate crowd.
In the real world, some people still buy Microsoft, some get frustrated with Linux, some could care less about Martian rovers on the moon... Maybe the world would be better off if it thought like the average Slashdot reader, but then again, maybe not.
On this thread overall, it's probably good to read other perspectives, but I'm kind of surprised that there's discussion about some internet use being more worthwhile than someone else's use. Personally, I think that keeping in touch with friends and family is more worthwhile than my news reading, but that's me. Conversation and the sharing of ideas, other than an opposable thumb, is what makes us human. So writing off a person who just writes e-mail and chats with their friends as not putting the internet to good use is disturbing. Most of these news sources quoted (other than slashdot of course) are one-way communication. It's generally the discussion with others that gives us insight and other perspectives. Why else would commenting on blogs be popular?
I think that the internet also adds many conveniences that are worthwhile - I can do all of my finances online, and can pay my bills while on vacation. I can order things from another state without leaving my living room. I can get directions from my house without having to ask anyone. I can even converse and argue with random people I don't know about stuff on Slashdot. My guess is that if you polled those people that said they use the internet, few would consider their use of it not to be worthwhile.
About the 30% without Internet connections. That seems really high. You don't suppose they're actually out doing things in meatspace? In person. *shudder* Horrible to contemplate.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
There is only one Gayer OS than BSD. Gentoo Linux. But only the gayest of the gay manage to install and use it. I think BSD might display mare porn, but Gentoo Linux won't.
You surely will have to explain it to him. If you don't want to do it, don't get married.
The differences between the original poster & myself is that:
a) I don't have to keep anything away from my wife (his dauhgter) - she already knows.
b) She administers his machine (and blocks his pr0n). Now we don't hear from him. He doesn't dare say, "I can't get to my pr0n sites. Can you fix it?" to his daughter.
Sorry, don't have that handy here.
Trinux,LOAF and such won't display mare porn but for completely different reason.
They only surveyed 2033 people. How can they interpolate that to represent 149 million people. Besides, 82% of all statistics are made up. 76% of all people know that.
technically the root of the internet is military, not university.
Progress, baby!
s'wut i sed.
One way to use the internet more is to develop hopefully free uses (free voip) applications and applications where you can interface your windoz and linux boxes to all the other items in your house to the internet...it would be nice also, if people would complain that they can't have their machines serve as web servers themselves..doesn't the new internet standard do this?
I don't watch Fox News, but as for the comment that it's simply unacceptable for most people, its ratings sometimes eclipse CBS news.
An interesting point of view, but... so what? 99% of households in the US have a television receiver and access to programming. Most of those people do not use their television exclusively for something truly worthwhile. 97% of households in the US have telephone service. Most of those people do not use their telephone exclusively for something truly worthwhile. A similar percentage of households live within reasonable distance of a public library. Same "problem". Everyone has access to USPS service. Same "problem".
It's a communications medium. Some people will use it exclusively for worthwhile endeavors, some will use it exclusively for silly things, most will use it for some combination of the two. There's also the individual perspective to consider -- exchanging silly e-mails with my elderly mother is "worthwhile" to both of us.
DARPA (military) helped fund research to create what is known today as the internet. But the research and implementations happened at the universities. So of course, they would have good connections. Nowadays, I don't think the major percentage of the student population needs or uses the bandwidth except for file trading.
In times like these, it is helpful to remember that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey
I found this link to a court case on truth (or lack of) in journalism.
"In a written decision, the Court held that the Federal Communications Commission position against news distortion is only a "policy," not a promulgated law, rule, or regulation."
The topic? BHA. The media agency just happened to be Fox Television.
Dogma - "let's just say we'd like to avoid any empirical entanglements."
More and more I find myself leaving the IM programs off. It's just a distraction! I can live without the interruptions of MSN/AIM/ICQ/Jabber. I still let the mail program do it's checks every 15 minutes or so as I don't get enough mail for it to be a constant distraction.
I don't know how anyone gets anything useful done with all of that running.
Freedom is merely privilege extended unless enjoyed by one and all.
I just came arcoss this in the CBC archives. Watch the video. http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-75-710-4205/science_t echnology/computers/
All news sources are biased. Ny Times and AP have a democrate leaning, Fox has a republican one. Degrees are there over course, I won't argue that. However you are presenting things as if you don't question AP and NyTimes, and that is dangerious. Everyone has an agenda, and it is impossibal to avoid it. There is no way to be unbiased, not presenting a fringe side is biased, while presenting it may give it far too much credit.
If the above are biases you can live with, that is just fine, but always remember your thinking is influenced by them. Keep your mind open that.
Your comment "It's a bit of a pain to get news from a wide variety of sources...." really hits home. I hate fumbling around the internet, jumping from site to site, looking for info. I prefer sites that offer a wide spectrum of choices, something for everyone, and will take you whereever you want to go with a single click. One such site is Refdesk. I found it a while back when I read that it's Colin Powell's favorite site. I couldn't resist the temptation to check it out. I'm glad I did.
In a related storey, 100% of respondents thought computers were too complicated, too poorly described, and too insecure, making it a minor miracle that internet use is as high as it is.
"I can read the NY Times, Slashdot, live Associated Press feeds, and much more. I don't have to rely on biased news sources (FOX, anyone?)"
I hope you're not getting your Microsoft news here.
31% of America being eliterit seems kind of high, I'd say maybe 20 per cent.
Cover your eyes and click this link!
I agree with everything you said, except for the quote above. It really bugs me when people complain about biased news-sources. Of course they're biased, everyone is biased, no one approaches anything nuetrally. The best way to get a good idea of what's really going on is to read a wide variety of sources and to keep the sources' biases in mind as you read. Lucky for us, the internet makes it incredibly easy to do that.
I think the key to the theory of unbiased news via the internet is the multiple sources that are available.
There is no such thing as an un-biased news source. It's a nice ideal, but in practice, they're ALL BIASED.
Every last one of 'em!
Trick is to recognize the bias and THINK about what is being said. Don't just swallow whatever crap you are being fed, by ANY media outlet. Think for yourself, and don't just read/watch/listed to the news outlets that make you feel better about your own opinion. Open your eyes, and use your very own brain to filter the obvious garbage out of the (admittedly garbage-laden) stream of news.
It's given her a reason to not just give up on life.
Granny, if you're reading this... that last bit didn't come out quite right.
pornography use stays at its usual 69% of U.S. adults.
he isn't even your real father. the least you could have done was used your hand on him. maybe if someone payed a little attention to the poor guy he wouldnt be spending so much time on porn sites.
:/
next time, try to have a little consideration for your fellow man. even us old lonely guys need a little love once in a while too
Fairness and accuracy in reporting
is that still around?
Most of these people probably do not use the Internet for something truly worthwhile. By that I claim that instead of doing research or reading various news sources to gain an unbiased perspective on the world around us, people mostly are just forwarding silly emails, chatting mindlessly with their peers, searching for pornography, and downloading crappy quality pirated music files.
And many of these are the same people that have denigrated the telephone. Rather than using it for noble purposes, they call people they already know, mainly to chit-chat about trivial things! Come on, America, let's give euthenasia a chance.
-- dR.fuZZo
... is how many people have more than one choice in broadband providers. We won't see serious changes in costs and terms of service until a lot more people have alternatives.
In my neighborhood (Bowie, MD, USA) DSL doesn't work (we're behind a digital switch - hell, normal dialup never goes over 28 kbaud), so our broadband options are Comcast or satellite. Satellite has unacceptable latency for my purposes (ssh), so it's Comcast. Their terms of service suck - servers of any kind are illegal (currently tolerated by the network, but they could change that anytime). I'd vote with my feet, but there's no alternative short of my own T1.
To a Lisp hacker, XML is S-expressions in drag.
What do you use?
My Yahoo! - seriously... I get the top stories from multiple news sources, collected into a single page. Downside is that you don't see all of the other stories that a particular news outlet is publishing.
Supplemented by a bunch of e-mail newsletters (BBC, CNN, technical rags) and catching up on the latest at Slashdot.
Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
Can you think of ONE unbiased news source, anywhere, on any medium? If so, please let me know so I can start using it.
I agree they are all biased.
The best source of informations should only be factual and never be analytical (or at least they should clearly separate facts from analysis). That would _force_ people to think for themselves.
Instead of that journalists always try to add an analysis instead of just reporting the facts. Probably to provide some "added value" compared to their competitors. While this might have originaly been in the readers interest, more and more journalists give analysis even when they don't have any facts, making these along to support their theories. ( remember the comments on 09/11)
I think sources such as Reuters and Associated Press feeds are actually closest to good information sources.
Entertainment IS worthwhile.
How do I know this?
I know because I freely choose to spend time and money on it. And since it's my time and my money, I'm the only one who's able to correctly determine their worthwhile-ness in order to make the exchange.
It's like the Mac vs PC numbers.
Sure, if you take out all those PC's that do menial tasks like handling bar code info for retailers, process orders at Burger King or even crunch numbers at your accountants office, the ratio of Macs to PC's would be way higher.
But for some reason every single PC in existence is added to the equation, which doesn't really reflect the ratio of computers that are actually being used by people doing worthwhile things.
And? This is still an example of how the open source nature of the internet makes more things possible, and more effective than before.
Case in point: mindless chatting. Frankly this is just more convenient than the telephone because you always know when your friends are online, you can ignore it and get down to work, you can talk to ten people at once (without a silly phone adaptor).
Next case: pirated music. A lot of this is out of print or hard to get these days, and there are certainly downloads which are not poor quality.
I will agree, however, that internet pornography is a sad state of affairs. It's even worse than popular magazines for photoshopping [not porn] unrealistic human beings, and manages to distort some people's perspective of reality.
Imagine all these people struggling to made a decent .fvwm2rc for themselves! Or, for that matter, a workable XF86Config!
Oh wait, none of them are running Linux?
That's like having a car and not wanting to change your own oil, being able to change a flat tire, or even giving it a nice wash job. Well, that sure fits! No one wants to do any of that anymore to their cars, so thats the genius behind Windows! Do it all for them! Then when their sound card stops making sounds, they're SOL!
I'm sorry, but if this post isn't insightful I don't know what is (currently modded as informative). Very good post that I think a lot of people could learn from.
don't start looking in the slashdot forums.
Now THAT would be funny! That sounds like something that could only occure if the Three Stooges were in charge at NASA.
Curly: I thought we were aiming for the heavenly body completely devoid of life...
Moe: Not THAT one you numskull, the OTHER one. Martian rovers are for MARS, lunar rovers are for the moon!!!
OK, that is so unfunny I'm going to post it AC. What can I say, I'm so tired right now that almost anything could amuse me at this point...
that it might be due to the minors online since 1995 now being adults?
That's pretty assuming. I generally don't expend the synaptic energy to determine what's use versus any other classification of internet activity. Same as I don't question what people do with a newspaper (You read the funnies, you do the crossword, you read the sports section, what!?!?!? You don't read the editorial?!? Blasphemer, why do you throw away your quarter?) I think classification/judging use of the internet is for statisticians and R&D people who are trying to pigeon hole net users, possibly for marketing potential.
Thing is, people's use of the internet is dynamic. They go where they want to, until the fine something else they'd rather do, or obstructed (registrations,lots of annoying ads, etc.) and move along.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
You make a good point.
people mostly are just forwarding silly emails, chatting mindlessly with their peers, searching for pornography, and downloading crappy quality pirated music files.
Not only are we doing that, we're doing it all simultaneously!
USENET? What's that? I get my porn from pop-ups!
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
so our broadband options are Comcast or satellite. Satellite has unacceptable latency for my purposes (ssh), so it's Comcast.
:)
You don't need high-speed for ssh. You don't need low latency for most web pages or file transfers.
I've got to get a satellite connection because sat and dialup are my only options, but I'll be building a linux box in pretty short order to do dial-on-demand for ssh connections. Everything else gets routed over the sat. With Earthlink you get 10 hours or so of dial-up included with the sat.
If anyone already has the scripts, feel free to send them my way.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Another good source is http://news.infobeing.net. You get news from weblogs and its based on keywords, not sources.