It wont work properly though or too its full potential due to windows being so screwed up
Well, at least your sentence shows the intelligence level you are dealing at. The word TOO means "also", as well as a few other things. None of which, I might add, are apropos in your sentence's context; you probably meant the word "TO", which is a preposition meaning toward (among other things).
For future reference, TO, TWO, and TOO are all different words with different meanings. I know its very confusing, but its true.
Now, brainiac, to address the nonsensical statement which you intended. You really, truly must have your brain baked in the sun if you think that hardware is not working to its 'potential' by working under Windows. How about getting your computer knowledge in the real world rather than on Slashdot? Because quite frankly, most people here really dont know jack shit about computers. I know this place claims to be "news for nerds", but most of you guys are very obviously only at the hobbyist level. Anyone who thinks that Linux holds some kind of fundamental superiority over Windows 2000 or beyond is a zealot, and a quite clueless one at that.
The fact remains (despite your operating system penis envy) that an overwhelming majority of people CHOOSE to use Windows, and the overwhelming majority of companies CHOOSE to write Windows software. There is no compelling reason to use a third-tier OS, other than for special purposes (like servers), or just pure fanaticism.
So stay in school, take a few English classes, and try and learn something about computers. Or better yet, stay away from computers, rational thought doesnt appear your forte'.
Its amazing I have to explain things like this to someone, but I guess people warp their worldview so much that it changes their idea of reality, these things are going to happen. So much of what you say just goes so far beyond stupidity that its amazing you can still draw breath.
Since the Linux watch prototypes were first shown publicly nearly four years ago, it's not unreasonable to think that they might be approaching cheapness themselves. (Assuming that there are plans to mass market them at some point, which is, I think, still unknown.)
It IS unreasonalbe to think that. You may not have noticed, but people arent exactly buying Linux watches by the truckload. I think a Linux watch will still qualify as a specialty item, since its safe to assume they arent even being mass produced.
Also, saying that an item that is essentially useless "works better" than an item that could actually have uses seems like a bit of a stretch. Unless you can think of an actual use for a watch that only keeps Martian time? I can't. I suspect most of these watches will end up gathering dust on a shelf or trophy case somewhere.
Its not essentailly useless. It keeps Martian time. Thats what its made for, and thats what it does. Thats its use. Why are you living under the impression that it is supposed to do more? Shit, I can go get a watch for less than $10. Are they useless because they only keep Terran time?
Of course, the actual answer to the question, "why didn't they just use a Linux/PalmOS watch" is that such devices are not yet on the market. But that doesn't mean the question is stupid. That just means that there is a reasonable answer.
Sure it's stupid. Why you think its a good idea is a better question. Why you think a computerized linux watch is necessary for something as basic as keeping time, when cheaper and more reliable alternatives are available, is a far better question. However, I would surmise the answer is that you arent living in the real world. Do you even work? Or are you just sitting in a dorm room on your parent's dime, thinking everybody should own linux watches which cost $300, and own linux toasters which cost $200, and own linux toilets which cost $1000. Because quite frankly, the sky doesnt sound like its blue in your world.
Who said anything about "it has to be tweakable"? Most devices that run PalmOS or embedded Linux are interesting primarily because they're useful, not because they're tweakable. People don't (usually) buy, e.g. a TiVo so they can tweak it. I am sure that if Citizen does put IBM's Linux Watch on the market, it will not need any tweaking to work. So your argument about "time spent fucking with the watch" is a straw man.
No, your argument that they should be using Linux in a fuckin watch is a strawman. Time spent getting a timing chip in a watch probably took them thirty minutes. Getting a stupid Linux watch would probably take longer than that, then you need to write the program, and test it, etc. WAY more trouble than its worth, especially the testing part. You just need to get back to reality!
I don't think it's at all stupid to say, "digital devices which could have fulfilled the same role, and which would have been far more useful overall, were demoed at trade shows several years ago. Why aren't these devices on the market already, so that NASA could have given them out (with custom Martian-time software pre-installed) instead?" There's probably a reasonable answer to that question, but that doesn't mean it's a stupid question.
Thats not just a stupid question, but its probably the dumbest thing Ive heard this year.
Im not saying the idea of a programmable watch is stupid. Im saying the suggestion they use a programmable watch in a situation where a cheap, single-purpose item will work better is stupid.
This may be shocking to some people here, but it isnt a requirement that every item in the world be tweakable. Some people in the world really, honestly do need to focus on doing work rather than wasting time on hobbyist stuff. The time spent on fucking with the watch would be better spent on fucking with that Mars explorer, for example.
Of course it is. I can go into a store and use at least 98% of the software there. Also, its a pretty safe be that at least that much of the hardware is Windows compatible.
If you run Linux, you are extremely limited in your hardware and software choices. If you run OSX, you are likewise extremely limited- not only that, but your hardware, for the most part, will HAVE to be made by Apple.
One wonders why these literal rocket scientists didn't just get a software programmable Linux or PalmOS based wrist-computer and hack together a Mars-time display application into it?
OK, lets do a test. We will have you go to court for a crime you didnt commit. The prosecution will have the distric attorneys, while you will stand naked before the court with nothing but you proclaiming you didnt do it (ie, no defense lawyer).
At your sentencing, let me know if you really need to prove your innocence.
So they are paying about the same price as Windows for a third-tier OS which they cant really get software for, BUT they can run Windows software by jumping thru some extra hoops so that MAYBE it will run under emulation.
Ya, that sounds like a winner.
Im sure the majority of people are going to use it, then once they realize they cant just install software they get at the store they will ditch it, and unfortunately for a pirated version of Windows.
Didnt Lego sue LegOS to change their name? I heard they tried to do it w/o the lawyers, and even had the guy tour their plant, but he wanted to keep the name.
Its amazing how some companies still dont learn from the dot-com era. Business schools should be required by law to teach people that companies need to MAKE money.
I think Time Warner payed the price of AOL being such a big dial-up player.
Also, AOL cant even give their service away anymore. A good friend is on dialup, and had to go elsewhere because she just couldnt get a connection. When she cancelled, they offered her up to three months free- but if you cant get thru, what good is free?
She is paying somebody (I think Earthlink) about $20/month, gets no spam (well, no more than ordinary), and isnt hit with her ISP spamming her for junk or services.
Im sure that MSN, which was pretty much based on the AOL business model, is in the same boat. Relying on advertising just seems like such a dot-com era business model. Especially when you realize that television has pretty much trained people to ignore advertising!
Wow, then he must really be desperate if he used his own money. Like they say, a fool and his money...
I dont know how he expects to make money selling a Windows knock-off. Im sure that people who are fanatical anti-microsoft are happy to see him do it, but thats just the fanatical Linux people. Its a sub-set of a sub-set, and he is marketting toward the sub-set of THAT which will actaully pay for an OS.
A niche of a niche of a niche market, indeed. He would probably make more money selling gay porn.
I understand what you are saying (heck, its repeated here hundreds of times every day), but I dont agree with it.
Case in point: everyone says Linux security is so much better than Windows because of OSS. But, that hasnt stopped Linux from having three high profile kernel exploits, and one of them was actually being used 'in the wild'.
The other reason I disagree is that there are only a small group of people which actually contribute to Linux; its not like every person using it donates some of their unused brainpower in some sort of metaphysical grid computing network. That means there are only a select group of people working on Linux. Just like Windows.
So, the only difference is that one is free, and one is not. And, if the 90s taught us anything, its that free stuff cant grow a competitive company. "Free" by itself doesnt do anything- you still need to have something which is competitive, because if you have money, you are willing to pay to get what you want. And Linux cant compete with what people are willing to pay for. Maybe that will improve; time will tell.
In a democracy, you DONT need court permission to open an investigation. Now you are just splitting hairs, because nothing about this law changes the way the court system works.
And I would say, even so, that an aspect of guilt or innocence is determined during an investigation. After all, is anybody trying to say that law enforcement isnt supposed to try to accuse only guilty people? Or is there some warped politically correct law which states they need to also try a certain percentage of innocent people as well?
Err... The court has to prove you guilty, not the other way around.
No, its not. Its pretty hard to find somebody guilty of a crime if they never have to go to court in the first place.
Cool! Now that countries like India and China are starting to move toward Linux, they can stop writing Windows viruses and begin writing them for Linux.
So in other words, the police can investigate somebody before they have to legitimately pursue legal proceedings against someone. Why is that good? Because it gives them access to information they could before only gain by pursuing you for a crime.
This means they can determine guilt or innocence during the course of an investigation, and you dont have to prove yourself innocent in a court of law. Once it gets handed to the DA, you will have to hire a lawyer, at a large cost to yourself.
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Well, at least your sentence shows the intelligence level you are dealing at. The word TOO means "also", as well as a few other things. None of which, I might add, are apropos in your sentence's context; you probably meant the word "TO", which is a preposition meaning toward (among other things).
For future reference, TO, TWO, and TOO are all different words with different meanings. I know its very confusing, but its true.
Now, brainiac, to address the nonsensical statement which you intended. You really, truly must have your brain baked in the sun if you think that hardware is not working to its 'potential' by working under Windows. How about getting your computer knowledge in the real world rather than on Slashdot? Because quite frankly, most people here really dont know jack shit about computers. I know this place claims to be "news for nerds", but most of you guys are very obviously only at the hobbyist level. Anyone who thinks that Linux holds some kind of fundamental superiority over Windows 2000 or beyond is a zealot, and a quite clueless one at that.
The fact remains (despite your operating system penis envy) that an overwhelming majority of people CHOOSE to use Windows, and the overwhelming majority of companies CHOOSE to write Windows software. There is no compelling reason to use a third-tier OS, other than for special purposes (like servers), or just pure fanaticism.
So stay in school, take a few English classes, and try and learn something about computers. Or better yet, stay away from computers, rational thought doesnt appear your forte'.
Since the Linux watch prototypes were first shown publicly nearly four years ago, it's not unreasonable to think that they might be approaching cheapness themselves. (Assuming that there are plans to mass market them at some point, which is, I think, still unknown.)
It IS unreasonalbe to think that. You may not have noticed, but people arent exactly buying Linux watches by the truckload. I think a Linux watch will still qualify as a specialty item, since its safe to assume they arent even being mass produced.
Also, saying that an item that is essentially useless "works better" than an item that could actually have uses seems like a bit of a stretch. Unless you can think of an actual use for a watch that only keeps Martian time? I can't. I suspect most of these watches will end up gathering dust on a shelf or trophy case somewhere.
Its not essentailly useless. It keeps Martian time. Thats what its made for, and thats what it does. Thats its use. Why are you living under the impression that it is supposed to do more? Shit, I can go get a watch for less than $10. Are they useless because they only keep Terran time?
Of course, the actual answer to the question, "why didn't they just use a Linux/PalmOS watch" is that such devices are not yet on the market. But that doesn't mean the question is stupid. That just means that there is a reasonable answer.
Sure it's stupid. Why you think its a good idea is a better question. Why you think a computerized linux watch is necessary for something as basic as keeping time, when cheaper and more reliable alternatives are available, is a far better question. However, I would surmise the answer is that you arent living in the real world. Do you even work? Or are you just sitting in a dorm room on your parent's dime, thinking everybody should own linux watches which cost $300, and own linux toasters which cost $200, and own linux toilets which cost $1000. Because quite frankly, the sky doesnt sound like its blue in your world.
Who said anything about "it has to be tweakable"? Most devices that run PalmOS or embedded Linux are interesting primarily because they're useful, not because they're tweakable. People don't (usually) buy, e.g. a TiVo so they can tweak it. I am sure that if Citizen does put IBM's Linux Watch on the market, it will not need any tweaking to work. So your argument about "time spent fucking with the watch" is a straw man.
No, your argument that they should be using Linux in a fuckin watch is a strawman. Time spent getting a timing chip in a watch probably took them thirty minutes. Getting a stupid Linux watch would probably take longer than that, then you need to write the program, and test it, etc. WAY more trouble than its worth, especially the testing part. You just need to get back to reality!
I don't think it's at all stupid to say, "digital devices which could have fulfilled the same role, and which would have been far more useful overall, were demoed at trade shows several years ago. Why aren't these devices on the market already, so that NASA could have given them out (with custom Martian-time software pre-installed) instead?" There's probably a reasonable answer to that question, but that doesn't mean it's a stupid question.
Thats not just a stupid question, but its probably the dumbest thing Ive heard this year.
Im not saying the idea of a programmable watch is stupid. Im saying the suggestion they use a programmable watch in a situation where a cheap, single-purpose item will work better is stupid.
This may be shocking to some people here, but it isnt a requirement that every item in the world be tweakable. Some people in the world really, honestly do need to focus on doing work rather than wasting time on hobbyist stuff. The time spent on fucking with the watch would be better spent on fucking with that Mars explorer, for example.
If you run Linux, you are extremely limited in your hardware and software choices. If you run OSX, you are likewise extremely limited- not only that, but your hardware, for the most part, will HAVE to be made by Apple.
Because that suggestion is stupid.
VERY good news: if you are Microsoft!
Elvis has left the building...
I'm holding out until they release the Wing Zero version.
So some company is finally trying to cash in on the lucrative market that Segway is tapping.
Seems like a winner to me...
At your sentencing, let me know if you really need to prove your innocence.
Ya, that sounds like a winner.
Im sure the majority of people are going to use it, then once they realize they cant just install software they get at the store they will ditch it, and unfortunately for a pirated version of Windows.
Its technically not a Ponzi Scheme. Its more like the red-headed step child of an iPod and Amway.
I may be totally wrong on the facts, however.
Its amazing how some companies still dont learn from the dot-com era. Business schools should be required by law to teach people that companies need to MAKE money.
SCO: Hey, you are using OSS software, which we own. Can you give us some money?
Google: Fuck off.
Also, AOL cant even give their service away anymore. A good friend is on dialup, and had to go elsewhere because she just couldnt get a connection. When she cancelled, they offered her up to three months free- but if you cant get thru, what good is free?
She is paying somebody (I think Earthlink) about $20/month, gets no spam (well, no more than ordinary), and isnt hit with her ISP spamming her for junk or services.
Im sure that MSN, which was pretty much based on the AOL business model, is in the same boat. Relying on advertising just seems like such a dot-com era business model. Especially when you realize that television has pretty much trained people to ignore advertising!
I dont know how he expects to make money selling a Windows knock-off. Im sure that people who are fanatical anti-microsoft are happy to see him do it, but thats just the fanatical Linux people. Its a sub-set of a sub-set, and he is marketting toward the sub-set of THAT which will actaully pay for an OS.
A niche of a niche of a niche market, indeed. He would probably make more money selling gay porn.
Wow, Lindows must really be getting desperate. I guess if I owed millions in venture capital, I would be getting desperate too.
Case in point: everyone says Linux security is so much better than Windows because of OSS. But, that hasnt stopped Linux from having three high profile kernel exploits, and one of them was actually being used 'in the wild'.
The other reason I disagree is that there are only a small group of people which actually contribute to Linux; its not like every person using it donates some of their unused brainpower in some sort of metaphysical grid computing network. That means there are only a select group of people working on Linux. Just like Windows.
So, the only difference is that one is free, and one is not. And, if the 90s taught us anything, its that free stuff cant grow a competitive company. "Free" by itself doesnt do anything- you still need to have something which is competitive, because if you have money, you are willing to pay to get what you want. And Linux cant compete with what people are willing to pay for. Maybe that will improve; time will tell.
And I would say, even so, that an aspect of guilt or innocence is determined during an investigation. After all, is anybody trying to say that law enforcement isnt supposed to try to accuse only guilty people? Or is there some warped politically correct law which states they need to also try a certain percentage of innocent people as well?
Err... The court has to prove you guilty, not the other way around.
No, its not. Its pretty hard to find somebody guilty of a crime if they never have to go to court in the first place.
Cool! Now that countries like India and China are starting to move toward Linux, they can stop writing Windows viruses and begin writing them for Linux.
Ya, that makes sense :rolleyes:
This means they can determine guilt or innocence during the course of an investigation, and you dont have to prove yourself innocent in a court of law. Once it gets handed to the DA, you will have to hire a lawyer, at a large cost to yourself.
Ya know, Apple supercomputers are different and all, but just you really cant get games for it.
Nothing to see here, move along.