You upgraded your server with a pre-release OS? Your faith in Mandrake is exceptional, sir!
Naw, this is a home/toy/test server not a production enviroment. I wouldn't put this on something that HAS to run. And it proved me right in blanking my data drive. Irrating yes, crisis no.
It loaded fine but on reboot my servers data disk was empty(WTF?) and I this was an upgrade so it should have left it alone.
The volume was corrupt and no attempt with Diskdrake would properly create it. I had to do it all from the command line and restore data from the backup. Not a good sign for a system that was working fine in under 9.0.
Still too early to tell if any other hiccups have occured and this was an upgrade and a beta so please use this information with plenty of salt!:-)
On the other hand it appears to operating faster even in X which says alot as it is an old Celeron 500 and was not real suited to running X. Not that I use X much. I use it mostly as a MySQL and Samba server for my home/office net.
Mostly I feel positive about this but the disk issues scare me a bit. Time will tell.
Linux is the kernel. GNU is a few tools that only in part make a linux box run. If your really going call it by a proper name then call it by it's distro name.
Running Redhat is not the same as running debian or gentoo or LindowsOS. They share some common tools but what makes each unique really comes at the distro level. If there really needs to be a correction on the name then call it by the neame of the distro. I run Red Hat or Mandrake.
What troubles me about your post is that you have an idea of what un*REAL* crimes are. Crimes are crimes, there is no dispute about that. The topic is to determine whether the *sentences* fit the crime.
Not sure I follow you here. Define unREAL crimes. What troubles you? What I meant, if it wasn't clear, is that I think most of the drug laws are pointless and we waste resources making self-destructive behavior a crime.
I agree that the topic is to determine what sentence is appropriate and I think most hackers get what they deserve. But I admit that I am a hard ass about any and all crime. But that doesn't mean that treating them like terrorist and blocking the basic rights we all are support to have is correct either. Kevin Mitnick's No Bail hearing was a load of crap. And the value damages stated against him was fraudulent as well.
Say you deface walmart.com or amazon.com. They track how much sales are done per hour, how many visits the site gets per actual perchase. If during the time that the website is defaced they can show a drop in those stats then were they not robbed of income? Do they not deserve to recoup said loss?
If you spray painted the outside of walmart with the words "CLOSED - BUILDING UNSAFE" and they lost a days sales because of it would they not be deserve to recoup said loss?
Honestly I have no sympathy for hackers or any other type of white collar crime. Most all of them get far too light a sentence IMHO. So do many violent criminals as well. We spend so much of our time locking up drug users and dealers, while drunk drivers get off that we can't properly deal with REAL crimes.
Anyone remember the old Star Trek episode "I Mudd"
(Not an exact quote.)
MUDD: Do you know what the pentalty for fraud is on Deneb V? SPOCK: The accused has a choice, death by phaser, death by hanging, death by electrocution... MUDD: The key word in your diatribe Mr. Spock is "death".
Yeah looking back I was surprised that the law wasn't called on us or they just didn't shoot at us. We did get buzzed a few times.
The plane we blew up was total loss, the other three had wing damage that probably wasn't any worse then a bad landing. It was very hard to pull off. We were lucky to get what we did.
I've done simular things in my past, but to do what you did you had to go beyound what a simple model rocket engine can do. Adding black power to the nose of a rocket isn't in NAR regs last time I checked.
When I was a teen we got into a war with the local model airplane group. I shot down one plane(it was cool but really it was a damn lucky shot) with my home made missle. Wasn't able to repeat the act as they were able to easily dodge the missles. We were just wasting black power.
My friends and I ended up designing a semi-wire gide missle using fishing line and a hand held launcher. It wasn't easy to guide(sic) the rocket. You had to fire across the path of the plane and if you ran like hell while trying to drag the wire in the path of the plane you could take it out, if you were lucky and fast enough. It wasn't explosive it used the wire to rip the plane in half. Odd enough the guys flying the planes never called the law on us. I think they just took it as a challenge. They only lost 3 more planes, all repaired, while we must of shot off nearly 30 attempts over that summer and lost or destroyed most of the rockets. As "wars" go I'd say we lost.
It isn't the bandwidth that is the issue. It is the downloading of illegal music.
Don't break the law and use my network to do it and not expect me to act to protect my company.
I'll fire you and sue you and have you arrested, if need be, to demostrate to the music RIAA lawyers that I wasn't at fault in allowing a P2P server or heavy P2P downloading to run on my network. They would argue that I should know what is happening on my network. And they would be correct.
You act like you're doing a huge favor to the people who do the actual work to keep your company running and keep you in profit by allowing them to beg for your bandwidth.
Well we do each other favors. I pay them well and give them benifits, that includes, for some, unrestricted I-net access, and they provide skills and labor to me and the company. But in the end I am responsable in a large part for what they do. I can be sued just for "allowing" a crime to happen even if I have no active part in it.
As for the begging comment. There is no begging. There is negotiotions. If myself and a new potential employee can't come to an agreement then they don't work here. And after they come to work they break the agreement by violation of the terms then they don't work here. Violation of the law will get you fired at most any place of work last time I checked. And copyright theft is a violation of the law.
Are you going to prosecute people for drinking at YOUR water fountain or using YOUR toilet paper or breathing YOUR air?
No but if they dug a pipe line and taped my water pipe and ran it to their house I would. Or if they stole rolls of toliet paper(which I have had done to me and cases of paper and pens and other office supplies...) I would. When my restroom supply line triples in one month I've either got a employee with a REAL bad colon problem or one who is stealing from me.
There's no place for downloading crap all day and getting nothing done...but if people still get their work done, anything that can be done to make them happy workers (including allowing downloads) is a good thing. One if your a slacker then you deserve to get axed. As you agree.
Two if your stealing music and using MY network to do it then the music Nazis will sue ME. This isn't about my being "draconian". It's about my protecting myself and my company.
What if one of my workers decided that he would be a "happy worker" if he grew POT in his cubical. Should I allow that? Hey go rob a bank and use the company car. Downloading music is theft. Don't expect me to add "illegal warez music downloading" as one of the company benifits next to the dental plan!
I may be an ass but your an idiot. If you've had managers treat you like your a child it because you behave as such. WAAAH! Bossman won't let me have my music. Grow up.
Maybe I don't want to be sued just because you are a thief. Personlly I think most of the IP laws are crap but that doesn't mean that I desire(or have the money) to be the fucking test case just because you are NOT adult enough to *gasp* ask my permission before you put MY company at risk.
So after I fire your ass I'll have your ass arrested for theft of MY bandwidth and MY storage space.
Is THAT adult enough? You self-centered little troll.
I sorry that you think that putting the rules down in writting is a "childish" act. It isn't. It is what adults do. Adults don't assume what others should know or expect. They explain out in front what is and isn't expected. Why? Because some people like yourself will assume that employment GIVES them the right to do it. It doesn't. Only if the employer is willing to allow it. And if he is then he should put THAT in writting too.
I would bet that many if not most places will have allready put a stop to this not because of the legal risks but because of the virus risks and bandwidth hogging issues that P2P access uses. Many colleges have blocked such nets because of the bandwidth use.
Well if you go local access then I can install a keylogger or change passwords or create users that can get net access on the next reboot. Once you got local the network isn't far behind.
Not that most Linux boxes are any better. Most can be breached with a floppy.
Why is a paper and pen such a problem? Why do machines(mechcanical or electronic) that can be easily rigged somehow the answer to a perfect election system?
I do not vote. One reason is because I don't trust voting machines or the people that run them. Even with paper ballots you can't trust the system when you can't watch them count the ballots AT THE POLLING PLACE!
In our county and state (Texas) they grab the boxes place them in a sheriff's deputy car(gee isn't the sheriff and elected official?) and haul them off to the county court house. How do I know that the ballots are the same ones that left the poll?
It is all crap, rigged from the get go(or too easily done so).
also interesting is how many news sources mistook the image as a capture from the high-tech cameras that the people *actually* worked on."
Yes, that is interesting. Interesting in a way that might make one wonder if this story is total fabrication to conceal the existence of higher-quality images from the "professional" scopes at that site.
Well I saw the press briefing live when this photo was shown. Dittmore(sp?) said it came from that site. He did not say it was amature photos taken by employees at that site. We all know how to spell assume but to be fair the way he said it implied that fact and I think evn Dittmore thought that the photo was a Government photo as well.
So Google has more then one datacenter to cache Slashdot and Slashot often caches itself when it dupes storys. So the cached story on Google is a dupe of perveious story but Google's second datacenter purges ths story because it is a dupe and then is reposted again on Slashdot when is purged by the first datacenter and duped again and purged by second datacenter and cached on the third and duped by slashdot....*bang*
See judge he needed killing. He was stuck. It was a mercy killing...
Lets see the space shuttle was designed in part to ferry secret military sats to space. Of course it has an secret equimpment on board.
What is really funny is that people were surprised that the government reacted so harshly to items appearing on E-bay. And people were suprised when the Men in Black(R) show up demanding the items back.
Well like I said the orange suits are not space suits. They lack shielding, heating, and I don't think they have the tether attatchments that the EVA suits have. If you put them in the shade then a person in such a suit has great risk of loosing body heat too fast, having equipment freeze up, and of not being able to move well in the suit and thus being unable to exit the shuttle. Put them in the sun and they fry and can be blinded by sun. They also risk tearing the suit far easier then a standard EVA suit. Also while 2 astronaughts might have EVA training the others would not and it is NOT easy to move about properly in Zero g in a suit without training.
At one time NASA was researching "rescue balls" that were round tentlike balls that an astronaught coult climb into in order to allow for rescue. But NASA soon realized that they would never have a backup shuttle ready and they abandanded the idea.
Columbia had no airlock aboard and no spacesuits. so once the craft is depressurized you can't go back. Also the orange suits are NOT space suits but low pressure suits. While you might risk transfering someone in such a suit most likely you kill the poor sap as they lack rad shielding and they are cumbersome to move in zero pressure situations.
There are no rescue abilitlies with space shuttles. Never have been.
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Agreed. I said "the best hardware". I your users are going to shove the thing in an oven you'll NEED good hardware.
This is just a friendly jab at Apple users. Windows users are just as stupid. I've been repairing computers for years. Somethings are just plain strange and many people don't have any common sense.
A great testimony to Apple Computers.
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Only Apple could combine the best hardware and most stupid end users.
Baked Apple? Now I've seen everything. And I thought most Windows users were stupid.
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You upgraded your server with a pre-release OS? Your faith in Mandrake is exceptional, sir!
Naw, this is a home/toy/test server not a production enviroment. I wouldn't put this on something that HAS to run. And it proved me right in blanking my data drive. Irrating yes, crisis no.
You are either very brave, or very foolish. Or you have lots of spare time.
All the above! This is a HOME server. A toy. Not a production enviroment. I can afford to take foolish risks.
I upgraded my MDK9.0 server to this yesterday.
:-)
It loaded fine but on reboot my servers data disk was empty(WTF?) and I this was an upgrade so it should have left it alone.
The volume was corrupt and no attempt with Diskdrake would properly create it. I had to do it all from the command line and restore data from the backup. Not a good sign for a system that was working fine in under 9.0.
Still too early to tell if any other hiccups have occured and this was an upgrade and a beta so please use this information with plenty of salt!
On the other hand it appears to operating faster even in X which says alot as it is an old Celeron 500 and was not real suited to running X. Not that I use X much. I use it mostly as a MySQL and Samba server for my home/office net.
Mostly I feel positive about this but the disk issues scare me a bit. Time will tell.
Linux is the kernel. GNU is a few tools that only in part make a linux box run. If your really going call it by a proper name then call it by it's distro name.
Running Redhat is not the same as running debian or gentoo or LindowsOS. They share some common tools but what makes each unique really comes at the distro level. If there really needs to be a correction on the name then call it by the neame of the distro. I run Red Hat or Mandrake.
It was a joke! Geez.
What troubles me about your post is that you have an idea of what un*REAL* crimes are. Crimes are crimes, there is no dispute about that. The topic is to determine whether the *sentences* fit the crime.
Not sure I follow you here. Define unREAL crimes. What troubles you? What I meant, if it wasn't clear, is that I think most of the drug laws are pointless and we waste resources making self-destructive behavior a crime.
I agree that the topic is to determine what sentence is appropriate and I think most hackers get what they deserve. But I admit that I am a hard ass about any and all crime. But that doesn't mean that treating them like terrorist and blocking the basic rights we all are support to have is correct either. Kevin Mitnick's No Bail hearing was a load of crap. And the value damages stated against him was fraudulent as well.
If you spray painted the outside of walmart with the words "CLOSED - BUILDING UNSAFE" and they lost a days sales because of it would they not be deserve to recoup said loss?
Honestly I have no sympathy for hackers or any other type of white collar crime. Most all of them get far too light a sentence IMHO. So do many violent criminals as well. We spend so much of our time locking up drug users and dealers, while drunk drivers get off that we can't properly deal with REAL crimes.
Anyone remember the old Star Trek episode "I Mudd"
(Not an exact quote.)
Works for me...;-)
Yeah looking back I was surprised that the law wasn't called on us or they just didn't shoot at us. We did get buzzed a few times.
The plane we blew up was total loss, the other three had wing damage that probably wasn't any worse then a bad landing. It was very hard to pull off. We were lucky to get what we did.
I've done simular things in my past, but to do what you did you had to go beyound what a simple model rocket engine can do. Adding black power to the nose of a rocket isn't in NAR regs last time I checked.
When I was a teen we got into a war with the local model airplane group. I shot down one plane(it was cool but really it was a damn lucky shot) with my home made missle. Wasn't able to repeat the act as they were able to easily dodge the missles. We were just wasting black power.
My friends and I ended up designing a semi-wire gide missle using fishing line and a hand held launcher. It wasn't easy to guide(sic) the rocket. You had to fire across the path of the plane and if you ran like hell while trying to drag the wire in the path of the plane you could take it out, if you were lucky and fast enough. It wasn't explosive it used the wire to rip the plane in half. Odd enough the guys flying the planes never called the law on us. I think they just took it as a challenge. They only lost 3 more planes, all repaired, while we must of shot off nearly 30 attempts over that summer and lost or destroyed most of the rockets. As "wars" go I'd say we lost.
You say that google is tracking everything I say or do. Damn there went all my plans to rule the world. BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! *cough*
As my evil plans have been spoiled I guess I go back to eating day old pizza and watching Star Trek reruns.
Do you think my parents would have done this ON PURPOSE?
That means, my God, they had to have *gasp* SEX?
I really didn't want that mental picture before lunch. I think I'm going to be ill.
It isn't the bandwidth that is the issue. It is the downloading of illegal music.
Don't break the law and use my network to do it and not expect me to act to protect my company.
I'll fire you and sue you and have you arrested, if need be, to demostrate to the music RIAA lawyers that I wasn't at fault in allowing a P2P server or heavy P2P downloading to run on my network. They would argue that I should know what is happening on my network. And they would be correct.
You act like you're doing a huge favor to the people who do the actual work to keep your company running and keep you in profit by allowing them to beg for your bandwidth.
Well we do each other favors. I pay them well and give them benifits, that includes, for some, unrestricted I-net access, and they provide skills and labor to me and the company. But in the end I am responsable in a large part for what they do. I can be sued just for "allowing" a crime to happen even if I have no active part in it.
As for the begging comment. There is no begging. There is negotiotions. If myself and a new potential employee can't come to an agreement then they don't work here. And after they come to work they break the agreement by violation of the terms then they don't work here. Violation of the law will get you fired at most any place of work last time I checked. And copyright theft is a violation of the law.
Are you going to prosecute people for drinking at YOUR water fountain or using YOUR toilet paper or breathing YOUR air?
No but if they dug a pipe line and taped my water pipe and ran it to their house I would. Or if they stole rolls of toliet paper(which I have had done to me and cases of paper and pens and other office supplies...) I would. When my restroom supply line triples in one month I've either got a employee with a REAL bad colon problem or one who is stealing from me.
There's no place for downloading crap all day and getting nothing done...but if people still get their work done, anything that can be done to make them happy workers (including allowing downloads) is a good thing.
One if your a slacker then you deserve to get axed. As you agree.
Two if your stealing music and using MY network to do it then the music Nazis will sue ME. This isn't about my being "draconian". It's about my protecting myself and my company.
What if one of my workers decided that he would be a "happy worker" if he grew POT in his cubical. Should I allow that? Hey go rob a bank and use the company car. Downloading music is theft. Don't expect me to add "illegal warez music downloading" as one of the company benifits next to the dental plan!
I may be an ass but your an idiot. If you've had managers treat you like your a child it because you behave as such. WAAAH! Bossman won't let me have my music. Grow up.
I happen to be a business owner.
MY bandwidth and My PCs are just that - MINE.
Don't like it. Don't work for me.
Maybe I don't want to be sued just because you are a thief. Personlly I think most of the IP laws are crap but that doesn't mean that I desire(or have the money) to be the fucking test case just because you are NOT adult enough to *gasp* ask my permission before you put MY company at risk.
So after I fire your ass I'll have your ass arrested for theft of MY bandwidth and MY storage space.
Is THAT adult enough? You self-centered little troll.
I sorry that you think that putting the rules down in writting is a "childish" act. It isn't. It is what adults do. Adults don't assume what others should know or expect. They explain out in front what is and isn't expected. Why? Because some people like yourself will assume that employment GIVES them the right to do it. It doesn't. Only if the employer is willing to allow it. And if he is then he should put THAT in writting too.
I would bet that many if not most places will have allready put a stop to this not because of the legal risks but because of the virus risks and bandwidth hogging issues that P2P access uses. Many colleges have blocked such nets because of the bandwidth use.
I would think this is a non issue.
Well if you go local access then I can install a keylogger or change passwords or create users that can get net access on the next reboot. Once you got local the network isn't far behind.
Not that most Linux boxes are any better. Most can be breached with a floppy.
Why is a paper and pen such a problem? Why do machines(mechcanical or electronic) that can be easily rigged somehow the answer to a perfect election system?
I do not vote. One reason is because I don't trust voting machines or the people that run them. Even with paper ballots you can't trust the system when you can't watch them count the ballots AT THE POLLING PLACE!
In our county and state (Texas) they grab the boxes place them in a sheriff's deputy car(gee isn't the sheriff and elected official?) and haul them off to the county court house. How do I know that the ballots are the same ones that left the poll?
It is all crap, rigged from the get go(or too easily done so).
We've got to get more MOD items to choose from...
Yes, that is interesting. Interesting in a way that might make one wonder if this story is total fabrication to conceal the existence of higher-quality images from the "professional" scopes at that site.
Well I saw the press briefing live when this photo was shown. Dittmore(sp?) said it came from that site. He did not say it was amature photos taken by employees at that site. We all know how to spell assume but to be fair the way he said it implied that fact and I think evn Dittmore thought that the photo was a Government photo as well.
So Google has more then one datacenter to cache Slashdot and Slashot often caches itself when it dupes storys. So the cached story on Google is a dupe of perveious story but Google's second datacenter purges ths story because it is a dupe and then is reposted again on Slashdot when is purged by the first datacenter and duped again and purged by second datacenter and cached on the third and duped by slashdot....*bang*
See judge he needed killing. He was stuck. It was a mercy killing...
Lets see the space shuttle was designed in part to ferry secret military sats to space. Of course it has an secret equimpment on board.
What is really funny is that people were surprised that the government reacted so harshly to items appearing on E-bay. And people were suprised when the Men in Black(R) show up demanding the items back.
Well like I said the orange suits are not space suits. They lack shielding, heating, and I don't think they have the tether attatchments that the EVA suits have. If you put them in the shade then a person in such a suit has great risk of loosing body heat too fast, having equipment freeze up, and of not being able to move well in the suit and thus being unable to exit the shuttle. Put them in the sun and they fry and can be blinded by sun. They also risk tearing the suit far easier then a standard EVA suit. Also while 2 astronaughts might have EVA training the others would not and it is NOT easy to move about properly in Zero g in a suit without training.
At one time NASA was researching "rescue balls" that were round tentlike balls that an astronaught coult climb into in order to allow for rescue. But NASA soon realized that they would never have a backup shuttle ready and they abandanded the idea.
Columbia had no airlock aboard and no spacesuits. so once the craft is depressurized you can't go back. Also the orange suits are NOT space suits but low pressure suits. While you might risk transfering someone in such a suit most likely you kill the poor sap as they lack rad shielding and they are cumbersome to move in zero pressure situations.
There are no rescue abilitlies with space shuttles. Never have been.
Agreed. I said "the best hardware". I your users are going to shove the thing in an oven you'll NEED good hardware.
This is just a friendly jab at Apple users. Windows users are just as stupid. I've been repairing computers for years. Somethings are just plain strange and many people don't have any common sense.
Only Apple could combine the best hardware and most stupid end users.
Baked Apple? Now I've seen everything. And I thought most Windows users were stupid.