Before 9/11 the airport security screening was done by contractors. And the contractors generally hired sloth-like goons because they were cheap. Then everyone complained that the airport security needed to be government-run. So the government formed the TSA and the TSA simply hired the same lazy, sloth-like goons that had previously worked for the contractors. So now you've got these same jokers working for the government. Now there's an improvment!
I'm not worried at all. The bottom line is that this is nothing more than an airplane with extended taxi capabilities. There's no way that the FAA would allow the Transition in the air without a licensed pilot at the controls. Any fund baby who wants to fly one of these things will have to take all of the same private pilot flight training that anyone would have to today to fly their Cessna 172 or Piper Cherokee. If they want to fly in bad weather then they will have to train for an instrument rating, as well.
What I really have a tough time believing is that they would be able to sell this for $148,000. Most new light aircraft are already more expensive than this, and come without foldable wings, powered wheels, etc. By the way, most airplanes are expensive because of product liability litigation, not because its expensive to make an airplane. I don't see why this one would be exempt from this fact.
Actually, there is one good technical reason for a radio station to compress their audio before transmission: to prevent overmodulation. Yes, I know that this isn't their only reason for compressing the audio, but overmodulating an FM carrier is one thing that will definitely get a radio station in hot water with the FCC, because the carrier frequency could deviate beyond acceptable limits and thus will splatter over any adjacent stations. The audio processing chain prevents this by only allowing for modulation up to 100% and nothing more.
One time I spilled beer into my laptop. The keys and mouse started behaving strangely, of course. After cursing profusely at myself, I took the laptop and placed it upside down on top of my my air conditioning unit outside with the keyboard facing the fan for about an hour. Worked perfectly after that...
The problems with the shuttle have more to do with the way it is launched, than the actual orbiter design itself. Strapping the orbiter to the side of the launch vehicle has proven to be a bad idea, as it is completely exposed to whatever malfunction happens with the launch vehicle. The beauty of Apollo and Soyuz is that with a top-loaded launch configuration, there is quite a degree added safety during launch. If things like foam insulation start flying off the launch vehicle, a top-loaded vehicle won't be exposed to it. A top-loaded vehicle can also jettison itself away from a total launch catastrophe with an escape rocket and save the crew.
Challenger and Columbia both gave us prime examples of the problems with a side-loaded launch configuration.
--memos, tasks, contacts etc, etc are all wirelessly sync'ed as well. Entering any such data on the BB will automatically send it to outlook. Beleive me, this is VERY useful.
Blackberrys are great except for two major things that drive us crazy at my company:
1. RIM refuses to build IMAP functionality into Blackberry Enterprise Server. Most of our company's email users connect to a Linux IMAP server, but we have to provide an Exchange server just to accomodate the Blackberries, even if the users don't need any groupware features.
2. Because some of our users are on Exchange and some are on the IMAP server, we have to maintain a company contact list in public folders on Exchange. But BES doesn't sync public folders or provide LDAP search capability, so the Blackberry users can't sync these contacts wirelessly (some of these users don't have a computer).
It seems that most of the Linux distros fail to address an ugly fact about many of our corporate environments these days: Active Directory rules the roost! You can't just drop a Linux box in the middle of one of these environments and not be able to join it to the domain. At the very least you need single sign-on, and I'm not going to even going to go into group policies, file sharing and such. Yes I know there is eDirectory and Zenworks, etc, and I'm sure that's what Novell is really trying to sell, but they're fighting an uphill battle getting corps to pony up $$ to implement these things when Active Directory is already in place.
I love Linux, but I think some of these companies that push the Linux desktop fail to realize some of the realities and requirements of businesses. It's very difficult to swim against the tide of Windows inertia, especially if you can't integrate the OS into the existing network and authentication scheme. It doesn't matter if Windows sucks, blah, blah. PHB's are not interested in disrupting the whole infrastructure for the sake of an open source OS. What they might be interested in, however, is a pilot project where the advantages of using Linux can be proven. But if you can't even authenticate to the domain, or share files with Windows group permissions, you're pilot project is dead already.
And yes, I'm aware of the fact that Xandros Business Edition supports Active Directory correctly, but unfortunately there are quite a few unrelated things I don't like about their distro. But they do have the right idea. I wish the other distros would get the message.
I don't know anything about the Series 2.5's, but i just got done hacking my Series 2 DirecTV SD-DVR40 over the weekend.
Now I have streaming directly to my PC, and I can transcode into various formats for burning using a tivo-ized version mplayer/mencoder. Installed lots of other cool stuff too like telnet, ftp, TivoWebPlus, etc.
I found my Tivo to be very hackable. All I had to do was some googling to find the info on all of the hacks available for it.
Wasn't it the other way arround? I was pretty positive that vinyls had lousy freq. response (and noise, fragility, and so), but they blew away digital media concerning dynamic range, which might be one of the reasons they're reputed to "sound better" for certain music styles (like classical, where poor dynamic range can kill a recording)
No, vinyl has decent (but non-linear) frequency range and relatively poor dynamic range and stereo separation when compared to CD. Back in the days of vinyl, mastering engineers had to be careful about limiting the dynamic range to avoid either clipping the high frequencies or causing the needle to jump out of the groove from the bass. There was also the issue of space available on the record, because too much dynamic range causes the grooves to be cut too far apart, which reduces the time available on the record disk. Ever wonder how those old K-Tel compilation LP's were able to contain 20 or so songs? Compressed dynamic range!
However, (call me pretentious prick if you must) I still enjoy listening to my vinyl records because I do like the way they color the sound on certain material, particularly with rock and jazz.
An interesting thing that I notice on CD's lately, is that despite all of that dynamic range available, it seems that the engineers don't take advantage of it anymore, and instead they just try to record everything as loud as possible because they don't have to worry about the headroom limitations as much with digital as they did with analog. The end result is compressed dynamic range anyway. That may be one reason why some people still think that vinyl is superior to CD in the area of dynamic range. It's just the simple fact that earlier analog material was recorded and mastered more carefully.
Only eight years later, but yup. An interesting product that still can't do what normal users want to do.
Hmm. Let's see. What do normal users want to do?
Most of the users I know want to:
Browse the web.
E-mail.
Make spreadsheets.
Type letters.
Listen to music.
Touch up photos.
IM.
I don't know about your Linux system, but mine does all of these things, simply and safely. No crashes, no viruses, no spyware, no bullshit.
Now, granted, many of the users I know think that you need Microsoft products to do all of these things, but that's just not the case.
On a sidenote: After years of being a Windows stalwart, my wife informed me today that she is now ready for me to install Linux on her computer. She says she's tired of fighting with her computer all of the time while seeing that mine "just works".
If an artist wants to give their music away for free, then fine. Otherwise, pay up or go away. Producing music takes talent, and costs money and time. It's a product of someone's work just like anything else. The artist has a right to charge for it. You have a right to pay for it or not have it.
I agree. But even with if you know how to join a Linux box to an Active Directory domain, the integration with that environment is normally very poor. No one wants to have enter their domain logon and password over and over again when trying to access Windows shares. Even if you save the password in a mount script or something (which, btw, is somewhat insecure), what does the user do when their Windows password expires (our passwords expire every 30 days) and the script no longer works? Xandros handles this for the user.
I've manually configured Samba for winbind logon to AD domains, and while I know how to do it, I consider it very kludgy and not very fun after having to do it several times. Config tools are not inherently bad, and I really appreciate when someone develops a tool to make my life easier. I love Linux, but we Linux geeks have got to get into the 21st century and get out of the mindset that config tools are always bad thing.
Xandros Business Edition offers a greater level of integration in Windows environments (particularly Active Directory environments) than any other distribution that I know of. It has Windows AD domain logon out of the box. It has a file manager which makes sharing files, changing domain permissions, and sharing files as easy as in Windows (if not easier). It also ships with Crossover Office. There a lot of other KDE customizations and enhancements that make migrating from Windows much easier.
These things might not be important to you, but for businesses looking to migrate form Windows to Linux, Xandros offers the best option out there right now that I'm aware of.
I wish the features in Xandros were available in the free distributions, but it doesn't seem that Windows interoperabilty is as great a priority with the other distros.
It kind of annoys me that the press refers to they recordings of these broadcasts as "pristine". They say the same crap about webcasts. They aren't pristine. The sound quality of XM Radio is nowhere near CD quality, in fact IMO it's not even as good as broadcast FM. It's more comparable to a 48kbps mp3 stream to my ears. In fact, while I love XM, I was a bit disappointed by the sound quality when I first got it.
Sometimes I wish my boss would stay on the golf course!
It used to be just me and him, just like in your situation, but now that we are larger he mostly just comes in when he feels like playing and screws around with things and asks me a bunch of questions I've probably answered before.
Drives me insane...
Copying information doesn't interfere with anybody, it doesn't destroy anything, it doesn't take anything away from anything.
Uh huh...
Then tell me this: How much would the $20 bill in your pocket be worth if I were allowed to make 20 million perfect copies of it, and spend them?
How much do you think my CD and record collection that I've spent hundreds of $20 bills on over the years is worth now that people can just copy the stuff for free?
Yeah, but just remember that a "Business Libertarian" who only cares about business and financial matters is still a true Libertarian. The reality is that not everyone cares about everything, and that's ok. Everyone has their own agenda. The Libertarian philosophy is simply that regardless of your personal feelings about a social or fiscal issue, the goal is to limit governmental influence whenever possible.
I sure wish folks would realize that the economy expands and contracts in cycles, for very complex reasons, regardless of who's the President.
It's funny that people vote for this or that presidential candidate thinking that all of the economic problems will go away if their favorite is elected, but things just don't work that way in a capitalist economy.
Of course, it also didn't help the already contracting economy when a few assholes flew airplanes into our buildings a couple of years ago.
Would you prefer to keep the money, and see the things it pays for vaporize? Police, fire departments, hospitals, roads, the justice system, etc....
If all the government collected taxes for was things like what you just mentioned, out taxes would be vastly lower than what they are now. But every congressman wants money for their favorite hometown pork project, and it all adds up to serious money.
Another interesting thing is that most of the government services you just mentioned are not paid for by the income tax, but are already paid for by local and state sales tax and property tax. So where in hell is all of my federal income tax money going? Iraq I guess.
The only way people are going stop the government from robbing us year after year is for them to start voting Libertarian now!
Forget Bush and Kerry. Both of them want to spend your money, and their disciples want to spend your money. And tell us how to live our lives. Time to put a stop to it.
Not quite the same thing, but on a couple of occasions, I lost the caller I was talking to, while not realizing it. They called right back while I still had the phone at my ear, which of course blasted an ear-piercing ring tone into my ear.
I don't think I suffered any hearing damage, but... OUCH!
An electronic ink newspaper? Yeah, I saw that in a copy of "Amazing Stories!" from the 1940s - it worked by radio waves. Noone used them then, noone's going to use them now. The closest you see? The internet, of course;)
What is interesting is that the electronic newspapers were early forms of fax machines, using radio modems instead of telephone modems. These were actually invented in the 1930's and there were successful demonstrations of the technology at the time.
The idea was that the newspaper publishers would use existing AM broadcast stations to fax newspapers directly to subscribers during the wee hours of the morning while the stations were off the air. Sounds like a great idea, even now. I think the reason it never caught on was that it was simply too expensive to operate at the time for both the newspaper and the subscriber.
Just goes to show you how some of the coolest inventions either take years to catch on, if ever.
I'm confused as to why VNC has been integrated. Most Linux users (and windows too...?), I would have thought, would be happier with X11.
Well, I'd say it's partly because KDE has already VNC (krdc) integraded for a year or two:-)
But the main purpose of this is for remote user support. At my company, we have used VNC for years to support our Windows desktop users. Nothing like being able to see the screen they're looking at when they call with a problem. If we were to ever migrate desktops to Linux we would need this functionality.
Xvncserver has been available for a long time, but the problem with it is that it starts a whole separate X session than the one the remote user is looking at... nice for graphically working in the background, but it is useless for when you need a user to show you an error that they are getting, or if you need to show a user how to do something. The VNC that is integrated into KDE shows you the user's screen. I'm assuming that the Gnome version would do the same thing.
I just read the page provided from another reply. Unfortunately, the cessna 150 is too heavy by a few hundred lbs. Rats-a-roni.
Yeah, but look at it this way... the C-150/152 is one of the best deals in "real" airplanes out there right now. They often sell for less than $20,000. I'm looking to buy one within a couple of years to resume my PPL training. If they fell within the sport plane category, you'd probably see the prices on them increase quite a bit due to the increased demand. There are alot of these out there, but unlike the 172, Cessna no longer makes them. I'd say the avg price on them would increase by as much as $10,000. That amount is enough to cover the costs of PPL training, annual inspection, and some of the first year's operating costs.
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Before 9/11 the airport security screening was done by contractors. And the contractors generally hired sloth-like goons because they were cheap. Then everyone complained that the airport security needed to be government-run. So the government formed the TSA and the TSA simply hired the same lazy, sloth-like goons that had previously worked for the contractors. So now you've got these same jokers working for the government. Now there's an improvment!
I'm not worried at all. The bottom line is that this is nothing more than an airplane with extended taxi capabilities. There's no way that the FAA would allow the Transition in the air without a licensed pilot at the controls. Any fund baby who wants to fly one of these things will have to take all of the same private pilot flight training that anyone would have to today to fly their Cessna 172 or Piper Cherokee. If they want to fly in bad weather then they will have to train for an instrument rating, as well.
What I really have a tough time believing is that they would be able to sell this for $148,000. Most new light aircraft are already more expensive than this, and come without foldable wings, powered wheels, etc. By the way, most airplanes are expensive because of product liability litigation, not because its expensive to make an airplane. I don't see why this one would be exempt from this fact.
Actually, there is one good technical reason for a radio station to compress their audio before transmission: to prevent overmodulation. Yes, I know that this isn't their only reason for compressing the audio, but overmodulating an FM carrier is one thing that will definitely get a radio station in hot water with the FCC, because the carrier frequency could deviate beyond acceptable limits and thus will splatter over any adjacent stations. The audio processing chain prevents this by only allowing for modulation up to 100% and nothing more.
One time I spilled beer into my laptop. The keys and mouse started behaving strangely, of course. After cursing profusely at myself, I took the laptop and placed it upside down on top of my my air conditioning unit outside with the keyboard facing the fan for about an hour. Worked perfectly after that...
The problems with the shuttle have more to do with the way it is launched, than the actual orbiter design itself. Strapping the orbiter to the side of the launch vehicle has proven to be a bad idea, as it is completely exposed to whatever malfunction happens with the launch vehicle. The beauty of Apollo and Soyuz is that with a top-loaded launch configuration, there is quite a degree added safety during launch. If things like foam insulation start flying off the launch vehicle, a top-loaded vehicle won't be exposed to it. A top-loaded vehicle can also jettison itself away from a total launch catastrophe with an escape rocket and save the crew.
Challenger and Columbia both gave us prime examples of the problems with a side-loaded launch configuration.
Cadillac - doesn't sound like anything
Cadillac was named for the French explorer who founded Detroit.
--memos, tasks, contacts etc, etc are all wirelessly sync'ed as well. Entering any such data on the BB will automatically send it to outlook. Beleive me, this is VERY useful.
Blackberrys are great except for two major things that drive us crazy at my company:
1. RIM refuses to build IMAP functionality into Blackberry Enterprise Server. Most of our company's email users connect to a Linux IMAP server, but we have to provide an Exchange server just to accomodate the Blackberries, even if the users don't need any groupware features.
2. Because some of our users are on Exchange and some are on the IMAP server, we have to maintain a company contact list in public folders on Exchange. But BES doesn't sync public folders or provide LDAP search capability, so the Blackberry users can't sync these contacts wirelessly (some of these users don't have a computer).
When is RIM going to fix these issues?
If not, I'm afraid it's not going to fly...
It seems that most of the Linux distros fail to address an ugly fact about many of our corporate environments these days: Active Directory rules the roost! You can't just drop a Linux box in the middle of one of these environments and not be able to join it to the domain. At the very least you need single sign-on, and I'm not going to even going to go into group policies, file sharing and such. Yes I know there is eDirectory and Zenworks, etc, and I'm sure that's what Novell is really trying to sell, but they're fighting an uphill battle getting corps to pony up $$ to implement these things when Active Directory is already in place.
I love Linux, but I think some of these companies that push the Linux desktop fail to realize some of the realities and requirements of businesses. It's very difficult to swim against the tide of Windows inertia, especially if you can't integrate the OS into the existing network and authentication scheme. It doesn't matter if Windows sucks, blah, blah. PHB's are not interested in disrupting the whole infrastructure for the sake of an open source OS. What they might be interested in, however, is a pilot project where the advantages of using Linux can be proven. But if you can't even authenticate to the domain, or share files with Windows group permissions, you're pilot project is dead already.
And yes, I'm aware of the fact that Xandros Business Edition supports Active Directory correctly, but unfortunately there are quite a few unrelated things I don't like about their distro. But they do have the right idea. I wish the other distros would get the message.
I don't know anything about the Series 2.5's, but i just got done hacking my Series 2 DirecTV SD-DVR40 over the weekend.
Now I have streaming directly to my PC, and I can transcode into various formats for burning using a tivo-ized version mplayer/mencoder. Installed lots of other cool stuff too like telnet, ftp, TivoWebPlus, etc.
I found my Tivo to be very hackable. All I had to do was some googling to find the info on all of the hacks available for it.
Wasn't it the other way arround? I was pretty positive that vinyls had lousy freq. response (and noise, fragility, and so), but they blew away digital media concerning dynamic range, which might be one of the reasons they're reputed to "sound better" for certain music styles (like classical, where poor dynamic range can kill a recording)
No, vinyl has decent (but non-linear) frequency range and relatively poor dynamic range and stereo separation when compared to CD. Back in the days of vinyl, mastering engineers had to be careful about limiting the dynamic range to avoid either clipping the high frequencies or causing the needle to jump out of the groove from the bass. There was also the issue of space available on the record, because too much dynamic range causes the grooves to be cut too far apart, which reduces the time available on the record disk. Ever wonder how those old K-Tel compilation LP's were able to contain 20 or so songs? Compressed dynamic range!
However, (call me pretentious prick if you must) I still enjoy listening to my vinyl records because I do like the way they color the sound on certain material, particularly with rock and jazz.
An interesting thing that I notice on CD's lately, is that despite all of that dynamic range available, it seems that the engineers don't take advantage of it anymore, and instead they just try to record everything as loud as possible because they don't have to worry about the headroom limitations as much with digital as they did with analog. The end result is compressed dynamic range anyway. That may be one reason why some people still think that vinyl is superior to CD in the area of dynamic range. It's just the simple fact that earlier analog material was recorded and mastered more carefully.
Only eight years later, but yup. An interesting product that still can't do what normal users want to do.
Hmm. Let's see. What do normal users want to do?
Most of the users I know want to:
Browse the web.
E-mail.
Make spreadsheets.
Type letters.
Listen to music.
Touch up photos.
IM.
I don't know about your Linux system, but mine does all of these things, simply and safely. No crashes, no viruses, no spyware, no bullshit.
Now, granted, many of the users I know think that you need Microsoft products to do all of these things, but that's just not the case.
On a sidenote: After years of being a Windows stalwart, my wife informed me today that she is now ready for me to install Linux on her computer. She says she's tired of fighting with her computer all of the time while seeing that mine "just works".
Bullshit.
If an artist wants to give their music away for free, then fine. Otherwise, pay up or go away. Producing music takes talent, and costs money and time. It's a product of someone's work just like anything else. The artist has a right to charge for it. You have a right to pay for it or not have it.
I agree. But even with if you know how to join a Linux box to an Active Directory domain, the integration with that environment is normally very poor. No one wants to have enter their domain logon and password over and over again when trying to access Windows shares. Even if you save the password in a mount script or something (which, btw, is somewhat insecure), what does the user do when their Windows password expires (our passwords expire every 30 days) and the script no longer works? Xandros handles this for the user.
I've manually configured Samba for winbind logon to AD domains, and while I know how to do it, I consider it very kludgy and not very fun after having to do it several times. Config tools are not inherently bad, and I really appreciate when someone develops a tool to make my life easier. I love Linux, but we Linux geeks have got to get into the 21st century and get out of the mindset that config tools are always bad thing.
Xandros Business Edition offers a greater level of integration in Windows environments (particularly Active Directory environments) than any other distribution that I know of. It has Windows AD domain logon out of the box. It has a file manager which makes sharing files, changing domain permissions, and sharing files as easy as in Windows (if not easier). It also ships with Crossover Office. There a lot of other KDE customizations and enhancements that make migrating from Windows much easier.
These things might not be important to you, but for businesses looking to migrate form Windows to Linux, Xandros offers the best option out there right now that I'm aware of.
I wish the features in Xandros were available in the free distributions, but it doesn't seem that Windows interoperabilty is as great a priority with the other distros.
It kind of annoys me that the press refers to they recordings of these broadcasts as "pristine". They say the same crap about webcasts. They aren't pristine. The sound quality of XM Radio is nowhere near CD quality, in fact IMO it's not even as good as broadcast FM. It's more comparable to a 48kbps mp3 stream to my ears. In fact, while I love XM, I was a bit disappointed by the sound quality when I first got it.
Digital != Perfect Sound
Sometimes I wish my boss would stay on the golf course!
It used to be just me and him, just like in your situation, but now that we are larger he mostly just comes in when he feels like playing and screws around with things and asks me a bunch of questions I've probably answered before.
Drives me insane...
Copying information doesn't interfere with anybody, it doesn't destroy anything, it doesn't take anything away from anything.
Uh huh...
Then tell me this: How much would the $20 bill in your pocket be worth if I were allowed to make 20 million perfect copies of it, and spend them?
How much do you think my CD and record collection that I've spent hundreds of $20 bills on over the years is worth now that people can just copy the stuff for free?
Yeah, but just remember that a "Business Libertarian" who only cares about business and financial matters is still a true Libertarian. The reality is that not everyone cares about everything, and that's ok. Everyone has their own agenda. The Libertarian philosophy is simply that regardless of your personal feelings about a social or fiscal issue, the goal is to limit governmental influence whenever possible.
I sure wish folks would realize that the economy expands and contracts in cycles, for very complex reasons, regardless of who's the President.
It's funny that people vote for this or that presidential candidate thinking that all of the economic problems will go away if their favorite is elected, but things just don't work that way in a capitalist economy.
Of course, it also didn't help the already contracting economy when a few assholes flew airplanes into our buildings a couple of years ago.
Would you prefer to keep the money, and see the things it pays for vaporize? Police, fire departments, hospitals, roads, the justice system, etc....
If all the government collected taxes for was things like what you just mentioned, out taxes would be vastly lower than what they are now. But every congressman wants money for their favorite hometown pork project, and it all adds up to serious money.
Another interesting thing is that most of the government services you just mentioned are not paid for by the income tax, but are already paid for by local and state sales tax and property tax. So where in hell is all of my federal income tax money going? Iraq I guess.
The only way people are going stop the government from robbing us year after year is for them to start voting Libertarian now!
Forget Bush and Kerry. Both of them want to spend your money, and their disciples want to spend your money. And tell us how to live our lives. Time to put a stop to it.
Not quite the same thing, but on a couple of occasions, I lost the caller I was talking to, while not realizing it. They called right back while I still had the phone at my ear, which of course blasted an ear-piercing ring tone into my ear.
I don't think I suffered any hearing damage, but... OUCH!
An electronic ink newspaper? Yeah, I saw that in a copy of "Amazing Stories!" from the 1940s - it worked by radio waves. Noone used them then, noone's going to use them now. The closest you see? The internet, of course ;)
What is interesting is that the electronic newspapers were early forms of fax machines, using radio modems instead of telephone modems. These were actually invented in the 1930's and there were successful demonstrations of the technology at the time.
The idea was that the newspaper publishers would use existing AM broadcast stations to fax newspapers directly to subscribers during the wee hours of the morning while the stations were off the air. Sounds like a great idea, even now. I think the reason it never caught on was that it was simply too expensive to operate at the time for both the newspaper and the subscriber.
Just goes to show you how some of the coolest inventions either take years to catch on, if ever.
I'm confused as to why VNC has been integrated. Most Linux users (and windows too...?), I would have thought, would be happier with X11. :-)
Well, I'd say it's partly because KDE has already VNC (krdc) integraded for a year or two
But the main purpose of this is for remote user support. At my company, we have used VNC for years to support our Windows desktop users. Nothing like being able to see the screen they're looking at when they call with a problem. If we were to ever migrate desktops to Linux we would need this functionality.
Xvncserver has been available for a long time, but the problem with it is that it starts a whole separate X session than the one the remote user is looking at... nice for graphically working in the background, but it is useless for when you need a user to show you an error that they are getting, or if you need to show a user how to do something. The VNC that is integrated into KDE shows you the user's screen. I'm assuming that the Gnome version would do the same thing.
I just read the page provided from another reply. Unfortunately, the cessna 150 is too heavy by a few hundred lbs. Rats-a-roni.
Yeah, but look at it this way... the C-150/152 is one of the best deals in "real" airplanes out there right now. They often sell for less than $20,000. I'm looking to buy one within a couple of years to resume my PPL training. If they fell within the sport plane category, you'd probably see the prices on them increase quite a bit due to the increased demand. There are alot of these out there, but unlike the 172, Cessna no longer makes them. I'd say the avg price on them would increase by as much as $10,000. That amount is enough to cover the costs of PPL training, annual inspection, and some of the first year's operating costs.
Are they rolling this out strictly in Keller? I live just a mile or so down in Watauga.